TIAI November 19

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Offline Tarja

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Re: TIAI 11/19

  • on: November 19, 2010, 06:51:16 AM
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I agree fully with something my Grandpa told me once, you can never win an argument over sport, politics or religion so don't even get into one!

Your grandpa is so right.. and i don't even know I opened my mouth when I knew this would happen. But that's me and I am who I am. Never a non religious person  will win an argument with a religious person. And if they have 1000 arguments to show me they are right and that the religion will save the world, that the Bible is God's word, I'll have 1001 arguments to say it could be very different. So, I'll take your grandpa's advice.

You know, it's not even about being religious or not. It's about the fact that religion CAN be used in a malicious way no matter how people don't want to accept it. Religious rituals and brainwashing have been among people since thousands of years.  Religion is not only all good as people think. Religion at an extreme can harm and it's scary that people are not aware of it.

It is not about TS is redirecting only religious quotes lately, it's about the fact that if religion can be used ALSO in a malicious way, who can demonstrate or be sure that TS is using it in a good way? Who can  be sure TS is speaking Michael's words? Who can be sure of anything? This is what I was saying since 2 days ago and no one seems to understand. It is not about the fact TS redirects to the Bible it's the fact that no one knows if TS' intention with this is good or bad, because religion can be used also with a bad intention. What I was trying to do is warn people to  stop for 5 minutes and regard all the possibilities that  EVERYONE who appears on the forums and states something. No matter how intelligent that someone looks. If you can't demonstrate their theories are false it doesn't mean their theories are true. There might always be the possibility that  someone would appear and demonstrate it. It was just a warn, a kind of human care if you want to give it a name. Because I know what religion can do and how much it is able to harm humans if it is used with bad intentions.
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Re: TIAI 11/19

  • on: November 19, 2010, 09:08:23 AM
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However, to preach at someone doesn't do anything.  If you guide people through a process of self discovery, personal research, etc.  They will then make up their own minds.

This is that journey again IMHO.  This is the school of MJ! LOL

I said a long time ago (with MJ's background of JWs in mind)that this was the biggest and most unusual door-knocking exercise MJ has ever undertaken! That may sound flippant, but I don't mean it to be.

He he  :D  I also wrote a similar thought here and there.

Feels like virtual/ new days preaching doesn´t it?  ;)
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Re: TIAI 11/19

  • on: November 19, 2010, 09:16:19 AM
Well, well  :D

At the end all of us are reading the passages of the Bible  ;)  atheists, agnostics, muslims...all of us....

I guess that this can be called mission accomplished hihi hehe huhu
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Re: TIAI 11/19

  • on: November 19, 2010, 09:42:40 AM
I just want to say, Melody, Lilwendy, The running girl and Serenitys_Dream, Thank you.  Well said! Great referencing!  I am a spiritual person, not religious but I truly believe in God.  I love it when we get messages from the bible because I do not know a lot about the bible.  I find it encouraging and uplifting.  That's how it makes me feel, I am not being forced to feel that way.  Michael believes in the bible and is trying to guide us.  I think it's just another journey for me to explore.  I look for your posts when I don't understand some of the reference to the bible because I know you will explain the meanings very well.  So thank you!  Thanks to all of you actually.  You are all pretty amazing people.  I enjoy all of the different opinions and thoughts.  It amazes me how people think and what they believe in and how they express themselves.  I love it!!  Take care, Love to All
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Re: TIAI 11/19

  • on: November 19, 2010, 10:49:36 AM
Michael may be expressed through the Bible, there is nothing wrong, he knows that there are people who are not religious, are messages and do not see it as a way of trying to push their beliefs on people. What do Michael has preached?, Peace, love our fellow animals and nature, to keep the faith, I see nothing wrong with that.
And as the new world order, The most striking prophecies of the Bible found in the last book, called "Revelation" or "Apocalypse," which was recorded by the Apostle John around AD 95. These events, the latest and most amazing panoramic view of the future, culminating event embodies revelations, some already completed, most are still ahead.
The book is presented almost in its entirety, as visions that the author claims to have received from God or Jesus Christ (Rev. 1:1-2) and is written in a language quite different from that used in other New Testament books

The Bible reveals that a single world Government, a world Empire, or a world order, which will have, as a Government, A representative there on Earth at the end of the times. In addition, this Global Government will be supported and complemented by a single world religion. Human head this global religion is a character from great charisma, which enjoy acceptance, appreciation and blind obedience of much of the population of the planet. Their main "flags" are: love, mercy, world peace and the brotherhood of peoples

All momentary views of "the things that must happen soon..." (Revelation 1: 1) John reveals, none is more intriguing and appalling that the vision of "The beast" of revelation chapter 13. This is not the first time that she has appeared biblical prophets. Based on detail, it is clear that this is the same frightening creature whose description has already been posted three times. Juan had personally seen twice. Daniel had also seen 600 years earlier.
This beast represents the resurgence of IMPERIO Roman, which will become the COUNTERFEITING SATÁNICA EN scale world of the Kingdom of God. This Empire will be governed at the global level by A single person, A single man, the ANTICHRIST, who will be Satan's representative on Earth.
Rome will retrieve its greatness. The way that controlled the ancient world, will also be the central headquarters for the new world order, the dream of the United Nations

This World Government will not proclaimed instantly, but that the process will be gradually.
Basically the way more effective and strong, is go "globalizing" peoples of their business transactions. In this sense we have clear indications of what progress is being made thereon, taking account of trade agreements that are developing globally, for quite some time, as the European economic community, NAFTA, Mercosur, etc.

The next step, which pasmódicamente has begun to manifest itself powerfully in Europe, is the MONETARIA unification, where the continent is adopting the EURO, abandoning obviously each old currency.
In July 2000, and not with little consternation, the currency is dead forever more ancient Europe: the DRACHMA Greece, which has died in pursuit of "the advancement of the global economy" and the monetary unification of Europe at the hands of the EURO.
The note says that: ".. .many Greek see this change as an indication of the country is losing its personality...". Unfortunately it is a clear indication that you will lose much more than that, and worldwide.

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Re: TIAI 11/19

  • on: November 19, 2010, 01:11:50 PM
Thank you to all who have posted here.  I respect the diverse views expressed and each day I learn something new and this enriches me as a person.  I think the lesson I take from what I have read today is "we must all agree to disagree on certain subjects, however do it in an atmosphere of love and respect for one anothers' beliefs and opinions".  I believe this is what Michael would want.


"You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
 Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: TIAI 11/19

  • on: November 19, 2010, 02:18:17 PM
I don't get all the questions about the Bible quotes. To say it very simple: Mike is pulling off a hoax in which he needs to show us things we can use to connect the dots. Sometimes these are Bible scriptures. He uses the Bible because he is familiar with it, he was raised by it. He uses the King James version because that is the Watchtower's Bible. Mike has been a JW for most of his life and he probably knows it by heart so that makes it easier to direct to that, instead of the Koran, which he probably doesn't know by heart. It a way to show us what is happening and how he feels about things now that he doesn't have a voice. You don't have to be religious to get the point of a redirect. It's his hoax, his plan and this is his way of guiding us. Who are we to say he should use other sources? I rather have it written plain out as well, because those Bible scriptures are new to me and it takes an extra read to fully understand, but it's not my hoax. I have the choise to read it or follow it or not.
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Re: TIAI 11/19

  • on: November 19, 2010, 02:18:44 PM
ps; Great post melody. I agree.
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Re: TIAI 11/19

  • on: November 19, 2010, 02:40:07 PM
We can debate the use of the Bible passages forever and a day but I don't think that's the intention.  We just have to apply them to the current hoax situation.  I don't think anyone should worry about TS having sinister intentions, we all choose whether or not to be religious.  Just as we all choose whether to believe TS is genuine or not.  He's not forcing us.  I personally do think he's genuine but if I'm wrong and he's just a very smart trickster then that's my fault for believing him in the first place.  I wouldn't be devastated as it was my own choice to believe him, he didn't force me to nor did he brainwash me. I'd say "Hats Off to You Sir, You Got Me!!! ":D
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Re: TIAI 11/19

  • on: November 19, 2010, 03:59:41 PM
I am delighted when TS redirects to the Bible.
I've been reading a lot of the Bible, I tried the Coran too but..... it just wasnt' for me.....
I am so happy that Michael believes in God and I'm happy he knows the Bible.
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Re: TIAI 11/19

  • on: November 19, 2010, 04:22:52 PM
I will say this and hopefully I won’t get my head chopped off.  I am not saying this to be judgmental of the people that don’t like the bible or God or Jesus Christ.  I am just giving information that I know to be fact to those of us who do.  So to the non BeLIEvers please don’t take offense and give me grief.

Michael IS NOT religious, he said so many times.  He IS however, spiritual and believes in JESUS CHRIST.  He has a relationship with Jesus and has stated over and over his desire to be like him!!  THAT is the definition of being Christian NOT religious.  Many religions do not believe in Christ.  

Now remember I am speaking to the believers.  There is ONE GOD.  There will be one heaven, so when we say there is only one way, we are speaking of one way to heaven and that is to believe in ONE God and his son Jesus. It can’t be …oh for those who don’t believe in Jesus, go over here to this heaven and those who do….well you can go over here to this one. We all have to be of one mind and one accord, but that is not brain washing that is having our eyes open to the infinity of what God created for us in the beginning. Living in one mind creates harmony and unity and Love and avoids strife and deception and confusion.   The bible is God divine inspired word, it tells of people that lived before us and their trials and tribulations and how they lived and overcame them.  It tells us of how to live a life to LOVE God and one another.  God does not make bad things happen to his children but here is the fall of man.

Michael told Shumey he didn’t understand this part and I think somewhere down the line Rodney Jerkins and his father may have given him insight on this.  But looking at creation in Genesis which means beginning, God did not create us to be slaves, he created us from the beginning to have choice, he did not want man to serve him out of obligation, so the tree of knowledge of good and evil was ever present in the garden.  It was intended for the angels that were sent to the earth to teach and instruct man on how to live and produce.  Man was like a child in a grown body at the time he was created.  But we needed teachers.  The angels were sent here for that purpose and the tree of knowledge of good and evil was theirs.

God told man not to eat, because he would die.  And most know the story, but don’t understand the implication of what took place there.  In Adam and Eve eating the fruit not meant for human consumption it opened their eyes to a world that God never intended them to live in.  God never intended man to suffer and have grief and anguish we were meant to live the life that we know now we will live when Jesus returns.  But eating the fruit caused a disconnect between man and God and Satan then had power to step in and create division and strife among man and suffering and pain.  But that was mans choice and now we blame God and say he should have not allowed bad things to happen to us, but our disobedience brought trouble into our lives.  It is like a lamp on a table, plugged into an electrical socket, if you unplug the lamp and walk around in the dark and fall and hurt yourself, you can’t blame the outlet for getting hurt.  You unplugged your light source and living in darkness caused you to fall.  The outlet was always there with the power that you needed, it is up to you to stay plugged in.
 
Man became unplugged from God in the Garden and trouble increased in his life.  Fortunately, God sent his son to reconnect us to God.  God will not allow sin “evil” to dwell in his presents, that is why Lucifer was cast out of heaven.  Yes even Angels have free will, thus the fallen angels.  So Jesus has promised that he would return and end all evil and pain and strife, for those who BeLIEve.  
Most don’t like that  picture, but I would have to ask,the shape the world is in now, IS there a better choice.  
And I say this with Love for everyone, even the non believers.
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Re: TIAI 11/19

  • on: November 19, 2010, 06:19:52 PM
"Let us dream of tomorrow where we can trully love from the soul and know love as the ultimate truth at the heart of all creation."

One of my favorite quotes. :)
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Re: TIAI 11/19

  • on: November 19, 2010, 06:40:12 PM
Beautiful quote Sarahli
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Re: TIAI 11/19

  • on: November 19, 2010, 10:50:57 PM
I'm not a Christian but I like to read the passages from other Religions' Books. It just makes it harder for me because of the language barrier. I wouldn't expect Michael to give the quotes from Koran or Torah or anything else. He probably read all of the religious books but of course he's a JW and he knows the Bible the most. And nobody needs to be religious to get the message through these Bible passages. Actually does it really matter from which book or where the message is coming from, since you understand what the message is?
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Re: TIAI 11/19

  • on: November 19, 2010, 11:16:29 PM
Navbl.......I support you and say "amen".  You may get grief from others, but not from me.  Your analogy of the lamp is perfect and seems very fitting to what Michael (and/or) TS) may be directing us to.  By reading the Bible, maybe more people will get "plugged in" and see things that they never did before.
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