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_Anna_

Re: TIAI 11/18
November 18, 2010, 09:41:56 AM
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feel like i need to add something. just in case the situation with your sister is not exactly as you percieve it to be and your sister has really found something special that she willingly wants for her life and it is good then it is not yours to decide for her either.
No, I never try to make anyone think differently from what they wish. It's the case with her too. She likes it, I suppose. Just that thinking completely different than her, I find it harmful. My mother believes in God but not in an obsessive way. And it's somehow normal...But when you base your life on God's rules and teaching it's when I see it harmful.

All in all , the reason why I don't understand why the message is not for all of us to understand and feel closure.
Honestly saying, I feel discrimination.All of us have the right to feel closure with the message if it's important.
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Re: TIAI 11/18
November 18, 2010, 09:46:09 AM
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when you base your life on God's rules and teaching it's when I see it harmful.

More than harmful is egoistic imo. By putting all the weight in God ones responsability is less.
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Michael pls come back


"Why a four-year-old child could understand this hoax. Run out and find me a four-year-old child. I can't make head nor tail out of it"

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suspicious mind

Re: TIAI 11/18
November 18, 2010, 09:47:48 AM
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Quote from: "suspicious mind"


feel like i need to add something. just in case the situation with your sister is not exactly as you percieve it to be and your sister has really found something special that she willingly wants for her life and it is good then it is not yours to decide for her either.
No, I never try to make anyone think differently from what they wish. It's the case with her too. She likes it, I suppose. Just that thinking completely different than her, I find it harmful. My mother believes in God but not in an obsessive way. And it's somehow normal...But when you base your life on God's rules and teaching it's when I see it harmful.

All in all , the reason why I don't understand why the message is not for all of us to understand and feel closure.
Honestly saying, I feel discrimination.All of us have the right to feel closure with the message if it's important.

can i ask you did you read ts post? if so what did you take away from it . if it was a story that wasn't from the bible what would you take away from it?
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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_Anna_

Re: TIAI 11/18
November 18, 2010, 09:51:27 AM
Yes, I read it.

mmmm.....

As far as I understood this guy, Job, was put to a test to see if he has faith in God, even if he was put through suffering. Then I understood that some people came to him telling him a version of something that happened, and every version was different. If i understood it wrong, it's hard for me with the old English.

So yeah, that's what I understood mainly. That all the people lied. And that Job's faith was put to test. And that in the end he didn't blame God for his sufferings.
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Re: TIAI 11/18
November 18, 2010, 09:55:15 AM
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Emeraldcity, I agree on the connection between Job's boils and MJ's skin condition.

My thoughts: there are only two places in the Bible that the phrase 'Sons of God' are used, this place in Job 1:6 and also twice in Genesis 6:1-8. Some Bible scholars have thought they were sons of Seth, but I disagree, I believe they were aliens very similar to humans but from outside of earth. They were not angels because the Bible consistently uses other terminology for angelic beings. (I have more controversial beliefs about these beings which I've mentioned elsewhere.)

 
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1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

 2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

 3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

 5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

 6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

 7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

 8But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Very interesting about your analysis about the Sons of God, i agree with you, and i must say that these "aliens" are actually fallen angels.  The ones that were cast out with satan when he rebelled.  I believe this passage is redirected because just like job, michaels faith was tested, but he never stopped loving, and he never stopped believing in God.  After it was all over job was blessed in folds, whatever was taken was given back, and more. I think michael will be blessed the same way for being faithful, and for never giving up on love.
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navibl

Re: TIAI 11/18
November 18, 2010, 10:00:06 AM
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I feel like everything has drifted away from Michael and it all became a religious thing, with almost daily redirects to the Bible. And because people want to get to the bottom of it all, they read it today, read it tomorrow and they'll end up without even noticing thet they've read the whole Bible. people start to develop the situation exposed in these quotes and almost don't notice how far away from the subject they go. The subject is MICHAEL and the main important thing.  Not the Bible, nor Satan nor God. And the answer in the end is what? Nothing. Just the analysis of another Bible quote.

It's everyone's decision if they want to read the Bible or not and forcing people into it won't lead to anything. It all became all about religion and nothing about Michael. I don't say the Bible is good or bad, I just don't read either believe in it. Is that if those who don't read or believe the Bible have no rights to have normal answers? I don't find any answer in those quotes and either I find any connections.


The Bible references are  DIRECTLY relating to Michael Joe Jackson!! And what he has and is doing.  Anyone who truly has studied and understands him, knows that he studies his bible everyday.  The bible is not a book of impressive fairytale stories.  If so, it would not transcend time.  It is the oldest history book on the face of the earth.  But the history it conveys is full of prophesy for today.  No I am NOT orthodox in any of my thinking; I simply take the bible for face value, period. Eveyone like to put lables on things.

If you listen to Michael and understand the messages in ALL his music, you will understand that he believes in the end of the age as we know it.  His having left the public eye has reason on so many levels.  What is being done here is one of them.  Michael said God gave him the music RIGHT???  Well if you can understand the messages in his lyrics you will see that he believes in bible prophesy.  He has pointed to it all along.  So the bible is in fact very relevant in what is talking place in Michael’s life right now.  And is the message that he is trying his best to turn Mans attention to.
No Michael never stood in a church and preached, but he DID teach by the way he lives his life!!!  What does one think LOVE is?  To truly understand the meaning of love and to exercise LOVE you have to understand WHO IS LOVE.  Love is not an action word, it a noun, a state of exsistance.  When you live in LOVE you produce the fruit of LOVE by your actions.  This is spoken of throughout the bible.

I really dislike the word Hoax because it represents trying to fool someone.  Michael did none of this for purposes of fooling people.  Michael did this to save his life and hopefully millions along with him. However Michael is not religious he is in fact VERY spiritual.  He is indeed a Christian.  People confuse Christianity with religion.  Religion is situational, Christianity is relational.  They should never be confused one with the other.  Christianity is having a direct relationship with the creator of the universe, to be like Christ just as Michael said he wanted to be, something that all religions do not provide.

So when directing to the bible we are in direct line with Michael’s heart and his purpose and what he is doing to expose the enemy SATAN.  Who do you suppose wanted Michael dead?  Not just someone who was bored and had nothing to do, but SATAN because Michael refused to give in to him.  I really hate to say this but ones lack of belief does not change what was , is and is to come.  The only problem with unbelief, is that one is caught totally unaware of what is taking place in front their eyes.

It is like standing on a train track staring dead ahead at a train coming at you and saying I don’t believe in trains.  It doesn’t change the fact that in a matter of seconds you will be wiped out by the thing!! So for unbelievers I would say, think of it as someone offering you the winning numbers to the lottery for free.  You can’t be sure they are the right numbers but wouldn’t you rather take them with the chance they are wrong than not take them and they be right??  What harm is taking them done to you either way.  Eternal life with our loving heavenly father and all that he has to give us, mainly his LOVE seems like a very good prize to me!!

Unfortunately man has taken God’s direct word. “the bible” and has given it so many interpretations  no one knows what in fact to believe anymore. So some chose not to believe anything.  When in doubt ignore!  It is all very plain and laid out for us very directly.  There is Good, who is Good?  There is evil, who is evil?  Those who believe in nothing by default  are drawn into evil because in the absence of no thought, Satan has a place to play, because he does  roam the earth seeking  whom he may devour regardless of belief in him or not.

What do you suppose Michael meant when he said we have four years to get it right or else it is irreversible the damage we have done.  Do you really think that Michael was saying we can correct the damage that has been done to the planet over decades in four years???  Let those who hath ears hear!  

IT REALLY IS ALL FOR LOVE!!!!  And I love each and every one of you regardless of what you believe!! We are all God’s children regardless of belief in him or not!!
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suspicious mind

Re: TIAI 11/18
November 18, 2010, 10:04:18 AM
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Yes, I read it.

mmmm.....

As far as I understood this guy, Job, was put to a test to see if he has faith in God, even if he was put through suffering. Then I understood that some people came to him telling him a version of something that happened, and every version was different. If i understood it wrong, it's hard for me with the old English.

So yeah, that's what I understood mainly. That all the people lied. And that Job's faith was put to test. And that in the end he didn't blame God for his sufferings.

this is all i see that maybe you misunderstood . the people who came to him were basically telling him of all that was happening to his stuff. so noone lied. other than that  i think you see pretty much what it is. now how does it relate to michael for you?
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Sarahli

Re: TIAI 11/18
November 18, 2010, 11:03:15 AM
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Quote from: "Sarahli"
Why would it change? The Bible quoted by TS or Michael is still the same... the meaning does not change, the words are still the same. How can the intention be different? TS is only re-directing without analyzing or telling people what to think. When I read these verses I've been touched by their content, by the message and it is not TS who has written it. TS is just a messenger.

No, you don't understand me. First, you didn't underline the sentence well, so this means to read between the lines.- which is not good.  The whole sentence would have been if it was Michael himself redirecting to Bible quotes I would peacefully read them[/b] because I know he is a good man and his intentions are not bad or to develop a mind control - from this, I explain it again. If it were Michael showing us quotes from the Bible I wouldn't think they might be probably with bad intention. Why? Because I can look into Michael's eyes, I can see it in his eyes because he is a tangible person. It's totally another thing if we regard TS. I can't look into his eyes. The eyes are the window to your soul and this can't be ingnored and considered unimportant. Even one of FBI's techinques to spot a liar is the eye to eye alaysis.  

If it were Michael giving these quotes from the Bible I wouldn't regard the possibility of a mindcontrol for objective reasons- he never did that no matter his religious beliefs. This doesn't happen with TS in my case. It's a feeling that I have since very long. Haven't you heard about mindcontrol through religious procedures? i did and also witnessed in my life and this can go far away if you don't have a strong mind. This is what I don't like about this. I don't know TS, never seen his face, never looked into his eyes so I have the right too REGARD the possibility he might not have actually only good intentions with all this. It is my right to my opinion. I hope now you got what I wanted to say with all this.

I know that the path through hell is paved with good intentions

I am not reading between the lines it is very clear. I understand that you rely on the messenger (Michael) and not on the message (the Bible). Or if you prefer, the Bible quoted by Michael is ok because you 'know' Michael but not from TS because you don't know him. Am I right?

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Haven't you heard about mindcontrol through religious procedures? i did and also witnessed in my life and this can go far away if you don't have a strong mind.

That is why it is absolutely necessary to think for ourselves and it implies that you put your interest/focus on the message and its meaning and not on the messenger. If we rely blindly on people because they have managed to have our (blind?) trust we are more likely to be mind-controlled. In general those who mindcontrol people in religious areas interpret the scriptures for their benefit and in general people believe them without questionning because of their so called authority and because they actually don't study themselves the scriptures. Here TS is not explaining the scriptures we, have to do it ourselves. So it is not mind control.

Tarja I really don't understand your need to see in TS' eyes to accept the Bible being quoted or not. As I have said what will it change to the message? The Bible is like it is, Michael or TS quoting will not change that.

If you're not religious maybe just interpret it in regards to the hoax. And here it means keep the faith no matter what is happening with all the confusion surrounding it.
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We are here for you Michael and will always love you whatever happens.
'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
"You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them."

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_Anna_

Re: TIAI 11/18
November 18, 2010, 11:29:10 AM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "_Anna_"
Yes, I read it.

mmmm.....

As far as I understood this guy, Job, was put to a test to see if he has faith in God, even if he was put through suffering. Then I understood that some people came to him telling him a version of something that happened, and every version was different. If i understood it wrong, it's hard for me with the old English.

So yeah, that's what I understood mainly. That all the people lied. And that Job's faith was put to test. And that in the end he didn't blame God for his sufferings.

this is all i see that maybe you misunderstood . the people who came to him were basically telling him of all that was happening to his stuff. so noone lied. other than that  i think you see pretty much what it is. now how does it relate to michael for you?
Well, I think that TS answered to me when I said the other day that if God exists and manages the life then why did Michael have to pass through such suffering.I think it was related to that. To what happened to him and all the hell he's been through.

But then again, who knows if it was God's will? It's a Bible story ..... That's why for me it's hard to get at the bottom of these quotes.
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_Anna_

Re: TIAI 11/18
November 18, 2010, 11:44:03 AM
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Sarahli wrote:
 I really don't understand your need to see in TS' eyes to accept the Bible being quoted or not. As I have said what will it change to the message? The Bible is like it is, Michael or TS quoting will not change that.
It happens to me too. For me the messenger is as important as the message. Because, if we take these Bible quotes, and let's supposedly say that the person who sends them has another purpose (let's say to cover a crime) it is done on a holy base, and apparently would mean no harm.

 So yes, for me too, the messenger is as important as the message. Not only in this case, I say in many cases, regardless TS or anyone.I just wanted to address the idea of the message and the messenger.
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trublu

Re: TIAI 11/18
November 18, 2010, 11:48:12 AM
Anna, I think you said your feelings very well.

I do not feel forced to read TS's bible quotes as I know that nobody can force me to do anything. I do however feel that I would be maybe 'missing out' if I didn't read them, but most of the time, these bible quotes seem not to be actual information, but encouragement. I still believe in the hoax and bible quotes won't make me believe more than I do.

I think it's good that these quotes give encouragement to religious people.

If Michael himself is behind these redirects then it doesn't change anything for me. I will still carry on reading them, I am strong enough not to change my whole idea about religion system because of this. The fact is, there are many things I don't agree with that appear in the bible and I will never use it as a source of information or encouragement. Others disagree and that's fine. Makes no difference to me if it's TS, Michael Jackson or the pope, I won't be changing my mind about this.

This is not to say I think there is 'nothing' out there. I think there are things that we don't know about the afterlife etc. But I won't conform to any religion.

I hope not to have offended anyone as these are my honest thoughts and I have no problem with people who are religious. It's a free world as far as I'm concerned.
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curls

Re: TIAI 11/18
November 18, 2010, 12:11:59 PM
Just want to mention that I think it's important not to confuse 'God' with 'religion'. The two are very different in my eyes.
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bec

Re: TIAI 11/18
November 18, 2010, 12:27:57 PM
Oops.

Edited because I had a blonde moment lol.
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trublu

Re: TIAI 11/18
November 18, 2010, 12:43:02 PM
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Just want to mention that I think it's important not to confuse 'God' with 'religion'. The two are very different in my eyes.

You are totally right.

A lot of people don't believe in either (I for one).
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Re: TIAI 11/18
November 18, 2010, 01:09:01 PM
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The Bible references are  DIRECTLY relating to Michael Joe Jackson!! And what he has and is doing.  Anyone who truly has studied and understands him, knows that he studies his bible everyday.  The bible is not a book of impressive fairytale stories.  If so, it would not transcend time.  It is the oldest history book on the face of the earth.  But the history it conveys is full of prophesy for today.  No I am NOT orthodox in any of my thinking; I simply take the bible for face value, period. Eveyone like to put lables on things.

If you listen to Michael and understand the messages in ALL his music, you will understand that he believes in the end of the age as we know it.  His having left the public eye has reason on so many levels.  What is being done here is one of them.  Michael said God gave him the music RIGHT???  Well if you can understand the messages in his lyrics you will see that he believes in bible prophesy.  He has pointed to it all along.  So the bible is in fact very relevant in what is talking place in Michael’s life right now.  And is the message that he is trying his best to turn Mans attention to.
No Michael never stood in a church and preached, but he DID teach by the way he lives his life!!!  What does one think LOVE is?  To truly understand the meaning of love and to exercise LOVE you have to understand WHO IS LOVE.  Love is not an action word, it a noun, a state of exsistance.  When you live in LOVE you produce the fruit of LOVE by your actions.  This is spoken of throughout the bible.

I really dislike the word Hoax because it represents trying to fool someone.  Michael did none of this for purposes of fooling people.  Michael did this to save his life and hopefully millions along with him. However Michael is not religious he is in fact VERY spiritual.  He is indeed a Christian.  People confuse Christianity with religion.  Religion is situational, Christianity is relational.  They should never be confused one with the other.  Christianity is having a direct relationship with the creator of the universe, to be like Christ just as Michael said he wanted to be, something that all religions do not provide.

So when directing to the bible we are in direct line with Michael’s heart and his purpose and what he is doing to expose the enemy SATAN.  Who do you suppose wanted Michael dead?  Not just someone who was bored and had nothing to do, but SATAN because Michael refused to give in to him.  I really hate to say this but ones lack of belief does not change what was , is and is to come.  The only problem with unbelief, is that one is caught totally unaware of what is taking place in front their eyes.

It is like standing on a train track staring dead ahead at a train coming at you and saying I don’t believe in trains.  It doesn’t change the fact that in a matter of seconds you will be wiped out by the thing!! So for unbelievers I would say, think of it as someone offering you the winning numbers to the lottery for free.  You can’t be sure they are the right numbers but wouldn’t you rather take them with the chance they are wrong than not take them and they be right??  What harm is taking them done to you either way.  Eternal life with our loving heavenly father and all that he has to give us, mainly his LOVE seems like a very good prize to me!!

Unfortunately man has taken God’s direct word. “the bible” and has given it so many interpretations  no one knows what in fact to believe anymore. So some chose not to believe anything.  When in doubt ignore!  It is all very plain and laid out for us very directly.  There is Good, who is Good?  There is evil, who is evil?  Those who believe in nothing by default  are drawn into evil because in the absence of no thought, Satan has a place to play, because he does  roam the earth seeking  whom he may devour regardless of belief in him or not.

What do you suppose Michael meant when he said we have four years to get it right or else it is irreversible the damage we have done.  Do you really think that Michael was saying we can correct the damage that has been done to the planet over decades in four years???  Let those who hath ears hear!  

IT REALLY IS ALL FOR LOVE!!!!  And I love each and every one of you regardless of what you believe!! We are all God’s children regardless of belief in him or not!!
Thank you navibl, your posts are very insightful and enlightening. I do believe in God, though I am not involved in an organized religion, I do consider myself "spiritual". I am glad that you are here to help with the bible interpretations as I haven't really read it before this adventure began. I agree with what you have written here wholeheartedly and thank you again for taking the time to try and show, those of us who have not been exposed to the the bible's content or are non-believers, a relevant meaning for these passages.
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