Possible Assisted Suicide

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  • on: December 16, 2009, 05:38:46 PM
I have thought about all the theories, Murder, Hoax, Suicide.
Im never gonna say never, i dont know mj, i know his persona not his mind..how can, i didnt know him!
But i just cant believe that he would kill himself assisted or not, what would that achieve? He has been in a worser place than he was and never contemplated it then, Why now??  :?  :|
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 05:54:20 PM
I think if he attempted suicide his family would of reacted differently, like extremely angry at people in mj's life and media i believe they'd make this very public to prevent it happening again JMO i dont believe this theory
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 06:01:17 PM
Quote from: "Amber"
I think if he attempted suicide his family would of reacted differently, like extremely angry at people in mj's life and media i believe they'd make this very public to prevent it happening again JMO i dont believe this theory
Me neither. Based on some reports I've read about him, I don't think suicide could be the case. JMO too.
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 06:02:37 PM
The thought that Michael committed suicide breaks my heart. It is not out of the realm of possibility, but I find it very hard to imagine.

He was supposedly about to embark on a 50-date tour, had a house all ready for him and the kids.  He was going to sing with his son.  It was probably going to be stressful and that is part of why I think he hoaxed his death.  But he adored those kids; they were his world and he theirs.  I don't believe he is that selfish. My heart aches for those who contemplate and ultimately commit suicide, but suicide is inherently selfish one of the most selfish acts that anyone can commit.

Also, if he wanted to commit suicide, he could have overdosed on prescription pills (that he could have gotten from doctors) and peacefully died. Why go through the trouble of finding a doctor to be at his bedside and obtaining propofol that has to be given intravenously to do it? That's not logical.  

I would also think that a doctor would be very reluctant to help assist someone, especially Michael Jackson, to commit suicide.  

Like I said, not out of the realm of possibility, but I highly doubt it.

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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 06:25:45 PM
I don't know about this ...I don't think He would take his life in the house where the children where .. A I believe He wouldn't took his  life in the first place , He was to religious he knew it was a sin, I'm sure He sin some in his life ... like all of us have ... but taking your life is a whole norther thing ,,,wont ever blieve Michael would have ever done that ..  
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 11:37:45 PM
Also, this will be the reason why no one wants to sign the DC, because it's a suicide.

suicide = death

no signed death certificate = no death = no suicide = he's alive  ;)
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 17, 2009, 12:02:22 AM
This is a very interesting theory to me.  I have never heard it before.  I think MJ is still alive.  I think he had to much to live for like his children and his fans. I think MJ's This is It says it for me.


1,2,3,4
This is it, Here I stand
I’m the light of the world
I feel grand
And this love, I can feel
And I know, Yes for sure
It is real

MJ, baby, I love you, and I will never give up until you come back to us.  MJ, it is all for L.O.V.E
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 17, 2009, 12:28:51 AM
Yep! I definitley do not believe in this theory.
#1 Prince, Paris, Blanket
#2 He loved life!
#3 He would have took something much stronger than Propofol in combination with the other drugs
#4 He would have done this a long long time ago (like during the 2005 trials?)
#5 His belief in God

Finally? MJ was tough! Remember he said he has Rhinoceros skin!!! :lol:  I just believe he would have done this a long time ago and not over 50 shows!!!! And you know MJ loved living a lavish lifestyle! Comeon guys, no we should not completley rule it out (although I am) but seriously no.
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 17, 2009, 03:08:49 PM
I don't buy this theory. He would never do something like this! I belief he's a very strong person who never let people run over him. He would never end his own life because of his family, believe in God and hid joy in life.
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 17, 2009, 05:11:57 PM
Nothing is out of the realms of possibility.

If he really is dead then the only way we will know the truth is when they release the real autopsy results.. that will show if he had terminal disease or not, and what drugs were in his system, etc.

I think his theory originated because one of Dr Murrays defences that was banded around at one point is that MJ himself cranked up the Propofal dosage on his drip without the doctors knowledge.

The truth will come out.  For now i keep an open mind because whatever the truth is.. at the moment there is a massive cover up going on.
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 17, 2009, 06:18:57 PM
Just wanted to alert you to this.
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/ent ... 40133.html

There are so many theories out there, the reason is because the full detailed autopsy report has not been released. We have no 'concrete' information to pour over.....so we really don't even know where the inconsistencies are in Murray's story. We don't even know the probable time of death. All may still become clear. The story above is interesting though, if he is trying to cover up assisted suicide. What i really don't understand is where the This Is Not It people fit in, because if their story is true what they say has a big part to play in finding out the final truth. My question is why would the extensive and detailed testimonies be false? Why would Karen Faye agree with them if there was not a grain of truth (by the way is that really KF, nobody has answered that?). I know she posted pics of MJ's tomb so it probably is her.
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 17, 2009, 06:22:05 PM
Quote from: "QuirkyDiana"
Just wanted to alert you to this.
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/ent ... 40133.html

There are so many theories out there, the reason is because the full detailed autopsy report has not been released. We have no 'concrete' information to pour over.....so we really don't even know where the inconsistencies are in Murray's story. We don't even know the probable time of death. All may still become clear. The story above is interesting though, if he is trying to cover up assisted suicide. What i really don't understand is where the This Is Not It people fit in, because if their story is true what they say has a big part to play in finding out the final truth. My question is why would the extensive and detailed testimonies be false? Why would Karen Faye agree with them if there was not a grain of truth (by the way is that really KF, nobody has answered that?). I know she posted pics of MJ's tomb so it probably is her.

I think Karen Faye has jumped onto the gravy train and is cashing in.  She is writing a book.  And if she was that a close a friend as she claimed why didnt she do anything to save him??   No.. if she is to be believed, she was this close friend who stood by and watched MJ starve himself to death and inject himself to an early grave.  I dont buy her version and i think she is money grabbing.
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 17, 2009, 06:47:55 PM
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I think Karen Faye has jumped onto the gravy train and is cashing in.  She is writing a book.  And if she was that a close a friend as she claimed why didnt she do anything to save him??   No.. if she is to be believed, she was this close friend who stood by and watched MJ starve himself to death and inject himself to an early grave.  I dont buy her version and i think she is money grabbing.

It is possible that KF is lying, but some of what she says is corroborated by TINI people, and MJ did look thin in the film. All i can say is the TII machine (AEG, Colony Capital etc) is much bigger than KF. It's not only KF that did nothing, it's everyone else all the way up. The thing that people really want to know is how Jackson was doing in rehearsals, were they really ready, if not why not. If they were not ready, if the sets were not rehearsed properly, if there were problems, that would open the door to a whole host of other theories. The thing is, who is telling the truth and why can we not get it? Why so many versions of events?
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 17, 2009, 07:01:31 PM
I don't buy it either. Because there would be a signed death certificate , like the others said ^^ And also because we wouldn't have seen his family all smiling if he was really dead  even his own children looked bored during the memorial. Children can't hide sadness and tears. Their father is everything for them. Even for an adult it's difficult to hide your emotions. Even when someone talked about somebody I love who died years ago, I cry, even for my dog I still cry. I'm sorry but his family wouldn't handle the memorial so well... Especially the children ... "Truth comes from children's mouth"
I cried more than the whole family together lol it's not normal :)
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 18, 2009, 12:13:08 AM
Honestly, I had that version in my considerations as well. But, I agree with majority, Michael strong and with the love to kids, he wouldn't do that. Also, even if Murray acted by MJ's request to do that and left some note about, Murray did not have  neither professional nor moral right to help him die, Michael  was not a cancer hopeless patient to help him die, and saying this, Muray must have been already arrested for that crime. But he is back to work.............. :shock:
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 18, 2009, 06:42:56 AM
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I've heard assisted suicide theories like this before. I don't buy them, though, for three main reasons: Prince, Paris, and Blanket.

agree. And why should he? Okay, we all doesnt know him personally I think. But I cant believe it.
It could have dived nevertheless simply somewhere in an Arab country or any other. And the FAKE: that no one looks for it?
OR  he was ill, I mean it had a deadly illness? I do not believe it. For me: Alive.
Perhaps it had to disappear because of murder threats. Because all important people are so quiet.
Its a little bit off topic, but my brain is very hard working :(
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 18, 2009, 07:12:55 AM
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i don't think it was suicide. of course we shouldn't blindly rule out all options that we don't prefer, but i honestly don't think he committed suicide with or without the help of someone. the inconsistencies specifically point to him being alive, not dead (suicide, murder, etc.).

Yeah I agree with with you. I don't think it was suicide due to all the inconsistencies. I will say though, people shouldn't assume he wouldn't commit suicide because of his children. Parents all around the world take their own lives for various reason. I'm sure many of them loved their children as much as any other parent and Michael alike. We don't know the inner turmoil people suffer that drives them to this. It doesn't mean they love their children any more or less if they do this.
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 18, 2009, 10:47:46 AM
I have to admit, that I thought of suicide right after his death. But that was before I was aware of the hoax  ;)
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 19, 2009, 04:50:35 PM
I think that Quirky Diana has hit the nail on the head--we do not know what was REALLY going on at the rehearsals.  We have heard that the sets were not ready, things weren't working properly (remember the Thriller scene--didn't it seem that they were still working on it?).  Someone said Michael was ready, that he had done the moves hundreds of times and that he was disappointed.  Could this hoax have been a way out for everyone, not just Michael?
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 19, 2009, 09:21:57 PM
Ok, guys, you won't like my reply to this..but it is possible.  I have heard this theory expressed
by many people.  It was not because of MJ being depressed, or being tired of life...but, because
he was terminally ill and was being given the medications to sedate and make him feel more
comfortable.  It might not have been so much an assisted suicide, as the time for him to go..
and the meds were upped a notch and he slipped away.  
Even if one knows it's coming, the Doctor and any family members would still be shocked and
they would still  have to call 911.    It doesn't make it easier to lose a family member to a long
term illness, but there "is" a certain peace knowing that they are no longer suffering.  If this is the
truth, it would explain the family (well, not totally, as nothing can describe their bizarre behavior
to me).

NOW, don't bite my head off...it "may" turn out to be that our desire and hopes are not met, and
we must prepare ourselves for the reality.  :(

I have heard this theory or explanation, but I have also heard the theory that MJ did have to
go into convalescence...so if this one is true, he is still ALIVE
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 19, 2009, 09:41:45 PM
Quote from: "Zen"
Ok, guys, you won't like my reply to this..but it is possible.  I have heard this theory expressed
by many people.  It was not because of MJ being depressed, or being tired of life...but, because
he was terminally ill and was being given the medications to sedate and make him feel more
comfortable.  It might not have been so much an assisted suicide, as the time for him to go..
and the meds were upped a notch and he slipped away.  
Even if one knows it's coming, the Doctor and any family members would still be shocked and
they would still  have to call 911.    It doesn't make it easier to lose a family member to a long
term illness, but there "is" a certain peace knowing that they are no longer suffering.  If this is the
truth, it would explain the family (well, not totally, as nothing can describe their bizarre behavior
to me).

NOW, don't bite my head off...it "may" turn out to be that our desire and hopes are not met, and
we must prepare ourselves for the reality.  :(

I have heard this theory or explanation, but I have also heard the theory that MJ did have to
go into convalescence...so if this one is true, he is still ALIVE

I respect your opinion but if he was terminally ill ,why hidding it ,there's nothing to be a shame of?And yes,you give medication(not propofol...) to relieve the pain,but usually  the terminally ill patient is surrond by family because the death occur usually within days...where was the familly...He would have deserve to die with loved ones,not Murray's face :shock:
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 19, 2009, 11:03:34 PM
I hate this topic.  It makes me sad.  I don't ever want to think that Michael would think killing himself was a way out of anything.  He loved those children too much for me to believe that he would do this to them.  I do believe that Michael was in pain because of the medical conditions he had.  They are painful.  If he felt that no one was really able to help him, that would be tragic because as well traveled as Michael was, surely there were some doctors in other countries even who would have been a much better fit for him than Dr. Murray.  Now that decision on whose ever part I just cannot understand.  I believe that Michael loved life, however, he was possibly depressed a lot because he could not live it the way he wanted to as he got older.  (ooh I LOVE the maturing Michael) And the 02 Arena shows, he flat out was not into doing them.  Not after they tricked him into 50.  I guess Michael proved to them that he ain't no freakin 3rd rate act who they could push around nor be forced into following their lead.  50 shows, hee-hee, he showed them who the boss was all along.  I guess they kinda got it twisted. I wish I could feel content that he was somewhere getting his swerve on 8-) and enjoying a happy, healthy existence.   But for some reason, I don't think that is the case.  Alive, yes.  Happy, I don't know the answer.
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 20, 2009, 02:49:55 PM
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He would have deserve to die with loved ones,not Murray's face :shock:


 :lol:  Sorry but my nerves make me laugh...


What I think (and please don't shoot me) but I read a lot about him that he would never commit suicide because of his children, that he loves them too much.
But when a person is really suffering from an incurable disease and has a lot of pain, can you imagine that that person decides to be euthanased? Most of the people who make this choice have children and beloved family too.

Don't get me wrong, I'm just trying to say that this is no reason to me.
And ofcourse he was not ill and he didn't do it.
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 20, 2009, 06:00:00 PM
When I heard he "died" the thought of suicide crossed my mind but it was before knowing all the things I know now. I don't think he did, I don't know him of course and I might be wrong, but I just don't think he did. Plus if he was terminally ill he couldn't have attended reharsals, no way. So he wasn't. simple as that  ;)
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 20, 2009, 06:06:02 PM
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hmm .. but murder theory sound more plausible to me better than suicide theory for all the inconsistencies ..  :?

Omg... I know right...  :?  :?
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