Possible Assisted Suicide

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Offline LLJ

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Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 05:37:03 AM
Hi Everyone

I've read this (it was someone's opinion) on another topic, but I feel it might be a bit "hidden", due to the topic name "Fake Search Warrant", therefore I thought I'd create a new topic.  I hope it is okay?  I really feel I need someone's opinion on this, because it's bugging me and I feel like going crazy now!!!

Well basically this person (sorry can't remember the name now) said and made it clear it's only his/her opinion.  Here it goes:  It might be possible that MJ committed suicide with the help of Murray.  That MJ asked Murray to inject him with a bunch of meds and that it possibly started two days before 25th of June 09.  This will then be the reason why they took so long to call 911, because they wanted to make sure MJ couldn't be revived.  Also, this will be the reason why no one wants to sign the DC, because it's a suicide.  Someone mentioned that MJ loves his children too much to do it.  Another person then said that depression can make you think that the world will be better off without you.  I know depression can make you act in ways that I would never have, but I know MJ loves his children so much...

I think this theory can possibly explain some inconsistencies and weird stuff, but not all?!!  Like why is his family happy all the time and making money of his "death"?  
And of course the list can go on and on...

Can someone please help me out here?  I'm sorry I'm doubting this easily, it's just hard hearing talk about him planning to take his own life, but it's hard hearing about him not being here anymore... period.

I hope someone can give some conclusive proof that his is not a possibility!
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 05:44:00 AM
I've heard assisted suicide theories like this before. I don't buy them, though, for three main reasons: Prince, Paris, and Blanket.

Michael ***adores*** his children, and I just don't see him voluntarily leaving them behind in such a final way, no matter how unhappy his personal and professional troubles may have made him.
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 06:33:02 AM
'Also, this will be the reason why no one wants to sign the DC, because it's a suicide.'

Even in case of suicide a DC must be released because this is the legal procedure for every human being on this earth.  The DC is the last legal document of a person and it is needed for the successors and closing/moving /solving of businesses.
Therefore, another must be the reason for which the DC hasn't been signed yet.

But i cannot believe that Michael chose the suicid as the last solution. Commiting suicide is the biggest sin , life is the supreme gift and we all have to value it. I don't know if Michael was a religious person or not, but he was risen as a Yehova's Witness and , as I know, all religions condemn the suicid.

 And, last but not the least, he would never do that to his children. They were in the house, if he wanted to do this he would send them somewhere else.No, I cannot believe in this theory
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 06:34:57 AM
Suicide..?  Come on...Mike is ALIVE!

Let me refresh your memory...

[youtube:189s04g9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En5Q4syywcw[/youtube:189s04g9]
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 06:37:26 AM
wow.. well we cant rule it out, but it makes me really sad to think about it.  None of us know Michael to say 'he wouldn't do this or that' so how can we know?  
Depression does as someone pointed out make you do things you wouldn't normally do if you were well.  But one thing strikes me in this is that it took several days,  if we are going assume that MJ was suicidal then we could also assume he was a drug addict and therefore had a high tolerance- my point being is that he wouldn't necessarily be so doped out of his mind from the first few shots that he was no longer compus mentus... And i can tell you from experience sadly that as soon as you take those pills or what ever you start to regret your actions and panic like hell.  So i think because it wasn't instant then maybe it just wouldn't work because he would think 'what the hell am i doing?! stop this now'  I know everyone is different and we all act differently.. but this is a common thing with suicide attempts that aren't instant lights out, if you know what i mean...
Well thats my opinion anyway
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 06:40:03 AM
I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS THE CASE HERE...
WE SAW HIM ON THIS IS IT ON 23TH, RIGHT?
WE SAW HIM AT UNIVERSAL, RIDHT?
I THINK HE DON'T DO THIS BECAUSE OF HIS CHILDREN, THEY ARE HIS LIFE...
AND IF, AND ONLY IF, THIS WAS THE CASE I DON'T IMAGINE MICHAEL DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS AT HIS HOUSE, HE DON'T DO THIS IN HIS HOUSE WITH THE KIDS THERE...
 :!:
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 06:43:34 AM
hmm .. but murder theory sound more plausible to me better than suicide theory for all the inconsistencies ..  :?
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 06:55:31 AM
Sorry I don't buy the suicide theory, Michael is ALIVE and would never do that to his children although depression can make you act strange and in ways you'd never thought you would act but even though he would still not do something like that he loves his children to every vessel in his bone that he has!
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 07:08:00 AM
I really don't buy into this theory as it is obvious from the inconsistencies that his family and possibly a few others are in on it and unless you are terminally ill, suffering greatly and want euthanasia then who is going to help you to commit suicide, especially a Doctor who has sworn to help preserve lives? No-this is a hoax and Dr Murry is in on it. Also as some have pointed out Michael would not voluntarily leave his children orphans-remember he was the only parent, they had no Mother. Apart from that-what parent doesn't want to see their children grow up?
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 07:12:55 AM
i dont believe this either why would he want to kill himself now what reason would he have
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 07:25:10 AM
For me it seems there are too many clues left behind for it to be a suicide.
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 07:36:42 AM
I really don't think so. If suicide was Michael's purpose, Murray would have used different medications. Possibly just one, and not four different drugs. None of the drugs he gave Michael are supposed to kill a person, not even combined.
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 07:43:06 AM
Thanks for all the replies! I can't think he would have done it either, but would like it if we can rule it out completely?  

I see the person said that the medication mentioned on the Search Warrant is also used for people who are terminally ill and to sedate (and make comfortable) the patient in the final days.

I don't have knowledge of the medication unfortunately.

Does anyone have knowledge?

Any ideas?

Also the fact that the driver mentioned he drove MJ to rehearsals two days prior to 25th seems to be a clue, making people think that that would have given them time to "sedate" him over a period of two days?
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 08:40:56 AM
do'nt worry he's not dead I don't think he would do that to his children, and as for depression he was depressed  for the last 20 years look at what they did to him, but if the depression was going to let him do it he would have done a long time ago.
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 09:02:33 AM
I  do not believe that Mj committed suicide. I look to the LKL Dave Dave appearance as one huge example to know that he is alive. Some have suggested that he would not do it because of his children. Just for the record...if a person is contemplating such a desperate move, their loved ones are not always a consideration. People who are that depressed and filled with despair  are not thinking straight. They think for the moment. I know someone who attempted suicide. Logic and reasoning were not present in the room when she popped those pills. She was not thinking of loved ones that would be left behind to mourn. Luckily she did not succeed in her suicide attempt. She received the professional help that was needed and now lives a much better life.
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 09:43:30 AM
i don't think it was suicide. of course we shouldn't blindly rule out all options that we don't prefer, but i honestly don't think he committed suicide with or without the help of someone. the inconsistencies specifically point to him being alive, not dead (suicide, murder, etc.).
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 02:45:55 PM
Hello Everyone and thanks a lot for all your amazing posts ; they help me each day and even if I don't post (I'm not as good as you in finding clues and french is my language), I read everything each day. Just like you I miss Michael so much !

I just wanted to say, regarding his supposed "suicide"  :  there is one reason explaining it's absolutely not possible even if Michael is just human : his children.
A depressed person can think the world, including his children, would be happier without him.
But remember one thing : Michael's will. I'm sure that if something so horrible was planned, Michael would have protected his children ; he would have arranged everything to be sure they are well in his absence. (I'm so sure of this ; I'm a mother )

In fact, I'm sure he did arrange everything... but an official will was'nt the way to do so...

Love to all of you from France..

Michael, please come back ! TU NOUS MANQUES !
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 03:25:06 PM
I can't really buy into this. I really don't think Michael would do this.

Also, if it really was assisted suicide, the family and his children would be absolutely devastated....

There are so many twists and turns to this story, when I we EVER going to get the truth?!
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 03:30:32 PM
no way michael loved his children to much to do that he would not hurt them like that and if that was the case it would be tragic and the family would be devastated and not look the way they did at the memorial and funeral
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 03:32:59 PM
I have wondered myself about assisted suicide.. but not becasue he was depressed. I wondered if perhaps Michael found out that skin cancer was terminal and made his own choice about how he wanted to die and did have his children's best interest at heart because he would not want them to see him suffer.
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 03:34:30 PM
Nope. While MJ might have wanted to numb his body and want to feel knocked down in his sleep. I don't believe he would ever consider suicide. He knows it's a sin to do that. He fears God and loves his children dearly....
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 03:40:03 PM
Quote from: "LLJ"
 That MJ asked Murray to inject him with a bunch of meds and that it possibly started two days before 25th of June 09.

Assisted Suicide is usually accomplished quickly not over a couple of days.

Physician Assisted Suicide:
A physician supplies information and/or the means of committing suicide (e.g. a prescription for lethal dose of sleeping pills, or a supply of carbon monoxide gas) to a person, so that they can easily terminate their own life. The term "voluntary passive euthanasia" (VPE) is becoming commonly used. One writer 3  suggests the use of the verb "to kevork". This is derived from the name of Dr. Kevorkian, who has promoted VPE and assisted at the deaths of hundreds of patients. Originally he hooked his patients up to a machine that delivered measured doses of medications, but only after the patient pushed a button to initiate the sequence. More recently, he provided carbon monoxide and a face mask so that his patient could initiate the flow of gas.  

Physician assisted suicide is currently legal, under severe restrictions, only in the American state of Oregon and in the Netherlands. (If this was the case, it seems more logical to carry it out in either of these 2 places where it may at least be somewhat defensible for the doctor)

Besides Michael was a very spiritual person so...

Traditional Christian beliefs concerning all forms of suicide were well documented by Thomas Aquinas (circa 1225-1274 CE). He condemned all suicide (whether assisted or not) because:
   It violates one's natural desire to live.
   It harms other people.
   Life is the gift of God and is thus only to be taken by God.
http://http://www.religioustolerance.org/euth1.htm
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 03:44:05 PM
in my opinion he is a quite strong person-

there had been much more reason to do such a step during his really hard times,
but
he is a fighter and would not give up that easily

so i really believe that this could be ruled out
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 04:52:30 PM
Bite your tongue!
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Re: Possible Assisted Suicide

  • on: December 16, 2009, 04:55:06 PM
No suicide. Why should he?

Did you check this?
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