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Re: TIAI 11/3
November 03, 2010, 10:14:39 PM
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I also think we should keep the site as neutral as possible, although I think we should do something with "Michael's Army of Love". This website has the purpose to discuss the hoax, unravel the mystery and spreading Michael's message already, but to get a larger audience we could make a site not related directly to MJ, but of course we could publish articles like the one of Forbes Everett Landis on it, and make it clear who the inspiration for the site is, without mentioning the hoax. In that way, if fans see that there are positive articles on it about MJ, they will be interested as well.



I agree that not mentioning the hoax on this new site might be a good idea.  It will attract a lot of attention for what it is already and I think that if the hoax was the focus (I'm sure hinting at it would be ok though  :) ) it would drive people away right off the bat.  I think a website that focuses on the postive loving aspects of the world is what the internet needs - there is so much hate and negativity on the web, just look at comments on youtube, it amazes me how much anger some people seem to have in them.  If Michael is going to be the inspiration of the site - are we going to continue spreading his message of awakening the world too?  Since some people find those topics people need to be awakened on to be taboo.
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Re: TIAI 11/3
November 03, 2010, 10:22:07 PM
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I also think we should keep the site as neutral as possible, although I think we should do something with "Michael's Army of Love". This website has the purpose to discuss the hoax, unravel the mystery and spreading Michael's message already, but to get a larger audience we could make a site not related directly to MJ, but of course we could publish articles like the one of Forbes Everett Landis on it, and make it clear who the inspiration for the site is, without mentioning the hoax. In that way, if fans see that there are positive articles on it about MJ, they will be interested as well.



I agree that not mentioning the hoax on this new site might be a good idea.  It will attract a lot of attention for what it is already and I think that if the hoax was the focus (I'm sure hinting at it would be ok though  :) ) it would drive people away right off the bat.  I think a website that focuses on the postive loving aspects of the world is what the internet needs - there is so much hate and negativity on the web, just look at comments on youtube, it amazes me how much anger some people seem to have in them.  If Michael is going to be the inspiration of the site - are we going to continue spreading his message of awakening the world too?  Since some people find those topics people need to be awakened on to be taboo.

Being gay was once (and still is in many countries) a taboo as well, same with being HIV positive or having a physical or mental disorder. That doesn't mean we shouldn't make people aware of it. As long as the site is not promoting love, it will interest people enough to read on.
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Re: TIAI 11/3
November 03, 2010, 10:28:40 PM
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I also think we should keep the site as neutral as possible, although I think we should do something with "Michael's Army of Love". This website has the purpose to discuss the hoax, unravel the mystery and spreading Michael's message already, but to get a larger audience we could make a site not related directly to MJ, but of course we could publish articles like the one of Forbes Everett Landis on it, and make it clear who the inspiration for the site is, without mentioning the hoax. In that way, if fans see that there are positive articles on it about MJ, they will be interested as well.



I agree that not mentioning the hoax on this new site might be a good idea.  It will attract a lot of attention for what it is already and I think that if the hoax was the focus (I'm sure hinting at it would be ok though  :) ) it would drive people away right off the bat.  I think a website that focuses on the postive loving aspects of the world is what the internet needs - there is so much hate and negativity on the web, just look at comments on youtube, it amazes me how much anger some people seem to have in them.  If Michael is going to be the inspiration of the site - are we going to continue spreading his message of awakening the world too?  Since some people find those topics people need to be awakened on to be taboo.

Being gay was once (and still is in many countries) a taboo as well, same with being HIV positive or having a physical or mental disorder. That doesn't mean we shouldn't make people aware of it. As long as the site is not promoting love, it will interest people enough to read on.

Perhaps a good way of awakening people would be to find certain media articles that are pure BS and show the facts that prove the article is BS.  I think some people read the words "NWO" and "Illuminati" and immediately think "those crazy conspiracy theorists".  But maybe if we keep it neutral that way too, more people will pay attention.  Point out the inconsistencies and straight out lies by proving it through facts and the impossibilities of some of these mainstream media stories.
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Re: TIAI 11/3
November 03, 2010, 10:46:51 PM
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Quote from: "~Souza~"
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Quote from: "~Souza~"


I also think we should keep the site as neutral as possible, although I think we should do something with "Michael's Army of Love". This website has the purpose to discuss the hoax, unravel the mystery and spreading Michael's message already, but to get a larger audience we could make a site not related directly to MJ, but of course we could publish articles like the one of Forbes Everett Landis on it, and make it clear who the inspiration for the site is, without mentioning the hoax. In that way, if fans see that there are positive articles on it about MJ, they will be interested as well.



I agree that not mentioning the hoax on this new site might be a good idea.  It will attract a lot of attention for what it is already and I think that if the hoax was the focus (I'm sure hinting at it would be ok though  :) ) it would drive people away right off the bat.  I think a website that focuses on the postive loving aspects of the world is what the internet needs - there is so much hate and negativity on the web, just look at comments on youtube, it amazes me how much anger some people seem to have in them.  If Michael is going to be the inspiration of the site - are we going to continue spreading his message of awakening the world too?  Since some people find those topics people need to be awakened on to be taboo.

Being gay was once (and still is in many countries) a taboo as well, same with being HIV positive or having a physical or mental disorder. That doesn't mean we shouldn't make people aware of it. As long as the site is not promoting love, it will interest people enough to read on.

Perhaps a good way of awakening people would be to find certain media articles that are pure BS and show the facts that prove the article is BS.  I think some people read the words "NWO" and "Illuminati" and immediately think "those crazy conspiracy theorists".  But maybe if we keep it neutral that way too, more people will pay attention.  Point out the inconsistencies and straight out lies by proving it through facts and the impossibilities of some of these mainstream media stories.

I was thinking that too! Great idea.
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Re: TIAI 11/3
November 04, 2010, 12:53:47 AM
Thank you PureLove for finally saying these words so TS could draw attention to this.  ;)
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Everybody is talking about MAKING A CHANGE, but nobody is talking about how we are going to make it. We should have a plan, we should organize things! What are we going to do? How are we going to make that change? I see everyone writes it everywhere; Let's make a change, help others, save the world etc. But I wish I could see the same effort in DOING things as in writing it. This forum shouldn't stay as a hoax forum only, this forum has to be the center of that change! If we are the Army of LOVE, if we are the ones who will start to make that change, then we should start talking about how we are going to make it! We have to MOVE TOGETHER! For example, we should start doing something all together as members of this forum, as soldiers of Michael Jackson. We tried to tell the media about the hoax and it didn't work out. We tried to tell non-believers about the truth and it didn't work out as well. Is this it? Are we going to sit back and wait till Michael comes back? I know that Michael's return is a must for us to spread the message to everyone but I believe that there're things that we can do before and after his return. I don't want the things that we talk we're going to do, to stay on the forum only but we DO them for real! I know that almost all of us, or maybe all of us try to spread the hidden truth to everyone we know but is it enough? NO! We should do more, we should give more!

How about publishing a Newspaper and deliver it to people at the streets? How about starting to choose an orphanage every month and make donations? How about chosing an area and start planting trees?

I know that most of us are trying to do all of these by ourselves and some of us just write what we want to do. But how about making these all together? How about making this forum the center of the CHANGE? We're THOUSANDS of people here! If we unite and dedicate ourselves to make that change for real, we can save the planet, we can save the humanity! It's all for LOVE, it's all for Michael, it's all for us, it's all for the planet! So what do you soldiers say? Are you with me? Are you with Michael? Are you ready to unite, raise your voice and MAKE THAT CHANGE for real?

P.S: Unfortunately I believe that this post of mine will be ignored by most of you. I hope not because seriously we need to start doing serious things instead of sitting and writing them. We need to start making the change right now! So please let's unite and start doing somethings.

I pulled my comment from TIAI redirect 10/31 because IMO it goes hand in hand with your point. It is time for action and to use the skills Mike has already taught us and not sit back waiting on him. I stand by this comment of mine and believe that every one of us here on the forum is strong, and we can do this.

I realize the BAM subject is a sensitive thing to speak on. I say IF only because it leads me to move and have actions NOW because IF he was to never come back or IF he was never a part of my life...
 I must find a way to stand strong anyways, right?
Keep the faith.

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To be like a child and just trust that this is ALL gonna work out. I don't know how it will happen, I just believe and trust it will. We as adults are more resistant to change or trusting in people because we have alot of emotional baggage, damage, memories of hurt from our own lives that it bleeds over into making the leap of faith now and just believing and trusting in us here on the forum.

Believing that we are enough to do this even if there is no BAM.

I believe we have to have enough faith in ourselves no matter what, that we are strong.

I believe we need to trust in ourselves first, to let go of our pre-conceived negative notions of the scriptures. I believe we need to trust that Mike was the catalyst in this cosmic shift in our thinking and actions.

I believe he is one of many catalysts that have started a change.

We can see in HIStory starting in the bible some of the messengers who came and gave us warnings. They did their job assigned to them by GOD. They set the coarse of change. They planted seeds, then let go and let GOD. They knew in their hearts that they did all they could to plant seeds. Then after they were gone another messenger picked up the torch and carried on into the next phase. This messenger did their job according to what GOD decided for them to do, then they are gone.
The torch is passed again. This is a repeating cycle.

Fast forward. Michael is a messenger called upon from GOD to deliver a message to the people.

A teacher has to give the students the skills to do what is necessary long after the teacher is gone.

I believe Mike will BAM but, I believe that even if he never did, he has taught us and given us all the skills we need to go on and teach the world.

We have the power to manifest the desired result.
Even IF Mike would never BAM, we can do this.
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Re: TIAI 11/3
November 04, 2010, 01:57:44 AM
I think souza has a great idea but it cant be done on this site itself, so as to not impede  this progress I have a Idea.

We can open a Sub Site, There can be a main header/gfx/description etc..
Then a signature list. Each person that donates gets there Name on the Army of L.O.V.E list. The list will be only for the ones that donated.
A specific charity or foundation can be chosen, legaly easier to choose one specific charity or foundation that is verified.
The money that is donated which can be 1 dollar and beyond will go into a special escrow foundation.charity account. It will be overseen by The Escrow company so no Hanky panky can happen in any way and no legal issues can be brought.
Once the Goal is achieved at whatever number that is set(ie, $5000) from the donations which will be shown on top of the signatures then the escrow will announce that money has been sent to the charity/foundation everyone chose to donate to. then a new charity can be chosen from that point on and it just continues.

What ya think.
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Re: TIAI 11/3
November 04, 2010, 02:10:18 AM
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I think souza has a great idea but it cant be done on this site itself, so as to not impede  this progress I have a Idea.

We can open a Sub Site, There can be a main header/gfx/description etc..
Then a signature list. Each person that donates gets there Name on the Army of L.O.V.E list. The list will be only for the ones that donated.
A specific charity or foundation can be chosen, legaly easier to choose one specific charity or foundation that is verified.
The money that is donated which can be 1 dollar and beyond will go into a special escrow foundation.charity account. It will be overseen by The Escrow company so no Hanky panky can happen in any way and no legal issues can be brought.
Once the Goal is achieved at whatever number that is set(ie, $5000) from the donations which will be shown on top of the signatures then the escrow will announce that money has been sent to the charity/foundation everyone chose to donate to. then a new charity can be chosen from that point on and it just continues.

What ya think.

I think that's an excellent idea, this way we have control over the money we as a group have gathered.  This takes away my main concern about donating to charities - many times the money which is donated doesn't end up with the people you donated for and who really need it.  That is why I have always preferred donating goods which are really needed or deeds, as in building schools hospitals water wells etcetera, over money.  The way Badkolo suggested us to donate alleviates this issue.
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Re: TIAI 11/3
November 04, 2010, 03:19:03 AM
I give badcolo's plan my vote. We must be organized about this. And I put both hands up to participate. Seems like the Army is mobilizing. Sweet. :)  Oh, and I love the whole team aspect of this. All for one and one for all.
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Re: TIAI 11/3
November 04, 2010, 03:24:56 AM
what if micheal can somehow organise a way for us ordinary people to ....
1.in our own community................collect books,toys,clothes.etc...............any thing needed.
2.organise a collection of these things....
3.i would be more than happy to do this,and store them at my home until collection.
unfortunately,as micheal surely understands.a lot of us have little money to actually post stuff,
so if that would be a possibility,to compile a list of us who will help
then orgainise collection
I AM READY TO START STRAIGHT AWAY....xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Re: TIAI 11/3
November 04, 2010, 03:43:22 AM
Quote from: "badkolo"
I think souza has a great idea but it cant be done on this site itself, so as to not impede  this progress I have a Idea.

We can open a Sub Site, There can be a main header/gfx/description etc..
Then a signature list. Each person that donates gets there Name on the Army of L.O.V.E list. The list will be only for the ones that donated.
A specific charity or foundation can be chosen, legaly easier to choose one specific charity or foundation that is verified.
The money that is donated which can be 1 dollar and beyond will go into a special escrow foundation.charity account. It will be overseen by The Escrow company so no Hanky panky can happen in any way and no legal issues can be brought.
Once the Goal is achieved at whatever number that is set(ie, $5000) from the donations which will be shown on top of the signatures then the escrow will announce that money has been sent to the charity/foundation everyone chose to donate to. then a new charity can be chosen from that point on and it just continues.

What ya think.

That's a great idea, kinda like I proposed but I had never heard of The Escrow Company. This should be easy to organize as well and motivate people to donate.
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Re: TIAI 11/3
November 04, 2010, 05:36:14 AM
Quote from: "badkolo"
I think souza has a great idea but it cant be done on this site itself, so as to not impede  this progress I have a Idea.

We can open a Sub Site, There can be a main header/gfx/description etc..
Then a signature list. Each person that donates gets there Name on the Army of L.O.V.E list. The list will be only for the ones that donated.
A specific charity or foundation can be chosen, legaly easier to choose one specific charity or foundation that is verified.
The money that is donated which can be 1 dollar and beyond will go into a special escrow foundation.charity account. It will be overseen by The Escrow company so no Hanky panky can happen in any way and no legal issues can be brought.
Once the Goal is achieved at whatever number that is set(ie, $5000) from the donations which will be shown on top of the signatures then the escrow will announce that money has been sent to the charity/foundation everyone chose to donate to. then a new charity can be chosen from that point on and it just continues.

What ya think.

This is a really great idea. I think it could work very well.
 :)
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Re: TIAI 11/3
November 04, 2010, 08:56:04 AM
First of all, excellent ideas Souza, I'm in all the way and I fully support this initiative. I think this is the best way to start this movement. If you allow me, I would like to add some comments to each of your great suggestions:

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1.)- I once watched a video on YouTube and I thought it was a fantastic idea. They printed a fake New York Times that made up good news, to see how people would react.

As you can see people get happy from good news, and I think good news should be published more, to bring hope and positiveness back. I don't think we should make something up, but search for the good news (that is mostly somewhere on the last page between some annoying ads), and publish them on a seperate site. One way or another we need to make sure this "good news" site is known world-wide and of course we need someone (or more than one) to manage and update this site. Mo and I have our hands full with this one, so if there are people willing and able to start such a project, shout out! If we link it to this one, we know we won't get the attention we should want, but if we make a seperate site that doesn't have Michael Jackson Death Hoax on the front page, we might get some attention and if we will get lot's of visitors on there, we might even get some income from ads which we can donate to charity. We can post the same on this website, but I think that if the two sites are linked, people would more easily click away. Once people know this is all a hoax and accept its purpose, it wouldn't be a big deal anymore, but before that, my opinion is to keep the sites seperate. We can use this forum to collect the articles, so that the one(s) managing the site can copy and paste it from here. I think that if we also publish good news about celebs (besides all other good news) instead of the gossip and slander we see on Entertainment Something etc., the chances of getting attention will even be bigger. Let me know your thoughts on it.

You are absolutely right, we shouldn't be connected to the hoax, because we will lose a lot of credibility and readers. We should aim to restore the decency and honor in journalism, bring back hope for a better world and increase the faith in good and in people generally. We need to become a brand, something connected to the Army of LOVE (It's all for L.O.V.E.), to have distinct traits, logo, objectives and strategies, like a real movement to change the world. We can write and post objective journalistic reports, have special columns in which we present dedicated people who have struggled to do something good in this world, for people, environment, humanity... We can bring awareness to critical issues in this world that are left aside by the media, we can support honorable initiatives, we can post free links and ads of charity organizations that we find as trustworthy, encouraging people to donate. We can write articles to restore the name of stars who are cruelly attacked by the media (Michael as well as others). We can try to debunk some of the BS that is posted in the media, we can try to find untold stories about simple and famous people, without searching for scandals and gossip, but for the good side of people. And this list can go on forever, because the main purpose is to be different, to be reliable, honest, decent and to bring hope instead of fear or despair.

I graduated journalism, but never practiced due to the lack of freedom of expression, decency and honor. However, I would be more than happy to write articles, columns and reports for our project and to use my abilities to this purpose. Although I must admit I have a pretty tight schedule at work, I will manage somehow to write the assigned column/article in time, if we shall go for this option (site), which I see as one of the best ways to start spreading the message.

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2.)- Another idea is to open a thread where people can post their daily good deeds. I always try to do something for someone else each day, whether that is a colleague, a friend or someone at the local supermarket. I think that if people post that in a thread on the forum, it will motivate others to do the same. Even the small things like helping old people cross the street or help your colleague out when he or she is so busy they don't know where to start again.

That will be very helpful.

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3.)- Just an idea when you have to organize a day at work with your colleagues. Instead of going on a survival trip, or something like that, you can do something for someone else. Here in Holland there are foundations that introduce companies to a charity where they can help out, for example taking children that are ill to the zoo, helping out on a farm where they take in abused and sick animals or taking the elderly who are lonely for a day out. Just a few examples of the possibilities. It's fun, good for the teambuilding whithin your company and most of all: you help out. Lots of volunteers rely on donations, but also hard labour is very well appreciated!

Wow, I should really suggest this to my board.

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4.)- Many old people are lonely. People take in abandoned animals, adopt children that need a chance in life, but the elderly are often forgotten. Why not adopt a grandma/mother or a grandpa/father who is lonely? Visiting them once a week, doing some groceries for them, taking them out on a trip sometimes and make sure they are not alone with Christmas does a LOT for these people. I think it's shameful that so many old people who made sure we can live the lives we live today, are left behind to die alone.

This is indeed a problem, we should take more care of the elderly.

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5.)- Go through your house and see if you have stuff you haven't used in ages. If you don't use it, you don't need it. Donate it to the Salvation Army, or other organisations like that. Give it to a neighbour or a friend who can use it, or sell it all and donate the money to charity. Your house will be more tidy and someone else is happy, a win-win situation. I am probably moving out of my house soon and my whole basement is full of stuff I haven't used in years. I won't take it with me but donate it to an organisation who will GIVE (not sell) the stuff to people who need it. If you know people in need yourself, go bring it yourself. The happy faces will give you a nice boost and will motivate you to do it more often.

Very true, it is really rewarding when you do that, trust me!

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6.)- For those who dare and are well-spoken; contact your (old) school and ask if you can give a lecture on L.O.V.E. There are many good writers on this board and if some could write a good presentation, we could translate it into our own language and use it. We could represent a non-profit organisation with the same name as the website mentioned in point 1, and draw more attention to it. I must say I don't like to speak in public at all, but if someone would be able to present a fantastic speech, I might grow myself some balls to do it.

Good idea.

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7.)- I think we should choose one or two global charities we will support on this site. Bringing attention to their work by giving them a full page on the website where we explain their work and link to their website. Because I know there are organisations that are not trustworthy, I suggest we take some from the list that Mike supported (as I assume he only gave money to organisations of which he knew would actually use the money for the good) and make a poll or something to choose one or two, so everyone (or most) will agree on it. I say we go for a charity that helps children in need. Not only because they are what Mike has been fighting for his whole life, but because they really are the future, we need to make sure they have one. If we make sure they will have proper education, a loving childhood and healthy food, the rest will get better as well. My hope is that one day we need to open a dictionary or history book to what charity was all about, because we don't need it anymore. Maybe a little too optimistic, but that is how it should be.

Very very true, as I previously said, we can post free ads on that new site and presenting the organizations in detail, to encourage involvement and create trust.

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8.)- Last but not least, as we are here because of one person only, we should continue to get Mike's name cleared. I am busy translating the article of Forbes Everett Landis {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login} to Dutch and I am going to send it, along with an intro, as a letter to every Dutch newspaper, hoping one or more will publish it. Once I finish it, I will post it in a seperate thread, so other Dutch members can use it for whatever necessary. Maybe others can find the time to do the same in their own language.

I am working on the same thing as well, translating that article into Romanian. Should we create a thread to put all the translated articles in different languages?


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Re: TIAI 11/3
November 04, 2010, 10:26:52 AM
These are great ideas, ppl! I have as few questions though:

It is okay to spread the idea via Twitter and Facebook?

My second question: How do I get people's attention in my Facebook network? I feel that 85% of the time when I write something on the wall on FB, it gets ignored or a few may comment, but that's it. Usually, I'll get mostly "Likes" on many of my statuses and/or several from this forum and the other forum will comment. Or a few close friends may as well.
Basically, I'm talking about many of the people I graduated with from high school and 8th grade. How do I get them to pay attention?  :?:  :?:
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Re: TIAI 11/3
November 04, 2010, 11:21:19 AM
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We can open a Sub Site, There can be a main header/gfx/description etc..
Then a signature list. Each person that donates gets there Name on the Army of L.O.V.E list. The list will be only for the ones that donated.
A specific charity or foundation can be chosen, legaly easier to choose one specific charity or foundation that is verified.
The money that is donated which can be 1 dollar and beyond will go into a special escrow foundation.charity account. It will be overseen by The Escrow company so no Hanky panky can happen in any way and no legal issues can be brought.
Once the Goal is achieved at whatever number that is set(ie, $5000) from the donations which will be shown on top of the signatures then the escrow will announce that money has been sent to the charity/foundation everyone chose to donate to. then a new charity can be chosen from that point on and it just continues.

What ya think.

This is a great idea! But for a start we've already started talking about donating to an orphanage to make the change. Here's the link of the post if you would like to join us. Since we set up for the new web-page, we can start doing somethings here too. We don't need to make the donation right now. We will wait since the new page will be created but we can start making the list here for the ones who would like to join it. What do you guys think?

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Re: TIAI 11/3
November 04, 2010, 11:33:47 AM
I think we should take a breath and that we should think about making a thread where people can post whatever charity they want. We will see which ones are verified and will create a poll as to which one we should start with. The one with the most votes will be first, then the one with the second most votes, etc. In that way everyone will be involved.
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