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Offline Wizard of Oz

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The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 14, 2009, 07:23:46 PM
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 14, 2009, 08:56:42 PM
Hmmmmm interesting! Especially the part about the two days before MJ's death when Murray supposedly started the medications? I thought Murray gave MJ his first dose of medicines at about 1:30 AM?[/band so on and so on? The way that particular search warrant reads it is describing MUrray as giving MJ the medications over a two day period? Could these documents be typos? I mean one is stamped ET and the other is stamped TMZ? Would this make them unofficial documents? Are there errors allowed on search warrants? If so to what extent? Also this sorta reminds me of MJ's driver saying that he drove MJ to his last rehearsel two days prior to the 25th? You get me? Something aint right! Lets research this a bit more. The search warrants see what we can find. ;) I wish I could find the article featuring the interview of MJ's driver stating this. But also to debunk that driver Mj had many drivers just as he had many bodyguards I am sure right? Go team!! :) ]
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 12:07:53 AM
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I mean one is stamped ET and the other is stamped TMZ? Would this make them unofficial documents? Are there errors allowed on search warrants? If so to what extent?


Those "stamps" are just watermarks on the digital images, not on the documents themselves.
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 12:55:41 AM
Oh. Gee thanks. :)
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 02:41:00 AM
i can't find that articla either :-(
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 09:28:46 AM
First of all let me say that i have no intention to offend anyone in anyway,these are just my findings in the investigation of what might have been going on prior to the death of mr.Michael Jackson. Maybe the rumors about the health situation of mr. Michael Jackson were not false. Because the medication on the warrent is also used to people who are terminal ill. It's used for palliative sedation to comfort the patent in there last days. That might explain why "dr.Murray" started the treament 2 days prior to the death of mr. Michael Jackson. it also could explain why nobody wants to sign the DC because i think it is illegal in the US to end live this way.(i know that the state of Oregon is the only state that has laws for euthanasia witch is different to palliative sedation).IMO I think this is why everbody is acting so weird because this would give alot problems for the family and everybody else who is involved.

I sure hope i'm wrong because if this is what might happend he is really gone. :(

Help me out please what do you think ?
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 09:51:22 AM
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First of all let me say that i have no intention to offend anyone in anyway,these are just my findings in the investigation of what might have been going on prior to the death of mr.Michael Jackson. Maybe the rumors about the health situation of mr. Michael Jackson were not false. Because the medication on the warrent is also used to people who are terminal ill. It's used for palliative sedation to comfort the patent in there last days. That might explain why "dr.Murray" started the treament 2 days prior to the death of mr. Michael Jackson. it also could explain why nobody wants to sign the DC because i think it is illegal in the US to end live this way.(i know that the state of Oregon is the only state that has laws for euthanasia witch is different to palliative sedation).IMO I think this is why everbody is acting so weird because this would give alot problems for the family and everybody else who is involved.

I sure hope i'm wrong because if this is what might happend he is really gone. :(

Help me out please what do you think ?


You mean Assisted Suicide? Suicide IS illegal, but since the person who committed it is dead then no one can be charged...its a victimless crime. However someone who assists in a suicide is held liable.....
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 10:02:13 AM
I'm re-posting this vid from another thread...It's all about the FAKE SEARCH WARRANTS...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG48eRv9KnI
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 10:39:54 AM
You mean Assisted Suicide? Suicide IS illegal, but since the person who committed it is dead then no one can be charged...its a victimless crime. However someone who assists in a suicide is held liable.....[/quote]

If that's how you name it in the US that's what i mean.
Can you tell me how long a person can be held liable ?
Is that for live ?
What if there is no proof of assist.
still have alot of questions becauase i'm not familiar with the US laws.
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 10:52:31 AM
I hope you are wrong too, but if you are right it could explain why they waited so long to call 911.
They wanted to make sure he couldn't be revived..

Huh, scary to think about.. :([/quote]

That was one of the reasons why i started my investigation. The 911 call and there are lots of more things. What about no doctor signing the DC,( if they did they would be involved) Why the search for the farmacy who provided the medication. (does this not go by the opium law in your country) if so this then would defenatly had some registration some where.
But I really hope i'm wrong.
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 10:56:42 AM
Euthanasia is illegal in every state in the US, including Oregon. Euthanasia is when a doctor injects a patient with a lethal dosage of medication to cause death.   In 1997, Oregon passed the Death with Dignity act. A physician for the purpose of death prescribes a medicine that the patient will administer to theirself.  The law does not require the presence of a physician when a patient takes the lethal medication. A physician may be present if the patient wishes, but it is against the law for him to administer it.  So if Murray administered it and he killed Michael he would be held liable. So murray admits to giving the medication but he is not charged with anything it just does not make any sense
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 11:14:47 AM
Did Murray pull a "Jack Kevorkian"????....lol
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 11:15:18 AM
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First of all let me say that i have no intention to offend anyone in anyway,these are just my findings in the investigation of what might have been going on prior to the death of mr.Michael Jackson. Maybe the rumors about the health situation of mr. Michael Jackson were not false. Because the medication on the warrent is also used to people who are terminal ill. It's used for palliative sedation to comfort the patent in there last days. That might explain why "dr.Murray" started the treament 2 days prior to the death of mr. Michael Jackson. it also could explain why nobody wants to sign the DC because i think it is illegal in the US to end live this way.(i know that the state of Oregon is the only state that has laws for euthanasia witch is different to palliative sedation).IMO I think this is why everbody is acting so weird because this would give alot problems for the family and everybody else who is involved.

I sure hope i'm wrong because if this is what might happend he is really gone. :(

Help me out please what do you think ?

I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS THE CASE HERE...
WE SAW HIM ON THIS IS IT ON 23TH, RIGHT?
I THINK HE DON'T DO THIS BECAUSE OF HIS CHILDREN, THEY ARE HIS LIFE...
HE DON'T DO THIS IN HIS HOUSE WITH THE KIDS THERE...
 :roll:
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 11:40:13 AM
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Did Murray pull a "Jack Kevorkian"????....lol
If he did he would spend time just like Jack has done
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 01:07:48 PM
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I THINK HE DON'T DO THIS BECAUSE OF HIS CHILDREN, THEY ARE HIS LIFE...
HE DON'T DO THIS IN HIS HOUSE WITH THE KIDS THERE...
 :roll:

Severe depressions can make you think that everybody is better off without you, even your children.
We don't know if he was that depressed, but he sure had been trough hell and back a few times in his life. And we also know he felt lonely to the teeth..

Allthough this is very sad theory of what might have happening, I don't think we should discard it to fast.
We wan't to know the truth and what went on, right? We need to investigate into things we don't like as well as into things/theory's we hope are the truth.

I agree with you. Depression can make you think everybody is better off without you. If Michael was very depressed, he might've thought his family, friends, fans & his children would be better off without him. It's hard to think that he might of thought that, but if he was depressed it could've clouded up his thinking. Yes, he has been through hell and back a few times in his life. There's only so much a person can take without breaking down.

 If you remember back in  2003 Michael almost died of a Demerol overdose. According to what I read, he was so depressed that he accidently gave himself too much Demerol. Randy found him unconscious in bed. Randy called his doctor and his doctor told him that his body would take care of the excess medication and Michael would be fine. Michael was very lucky that he survived the overdose, we could've lost him back then.

I also agree that we have to look into every theory that's possible. We shouldn't throw out a theory because it's not something we want to think happened or is too sad to talk about. I know this theory is a sad one, but it could turn out that it's the truth. I really hope it's not.
Unfortunately none of us where with Michael on June 25th. We don't have a way of knowing what really happened that day. Right now the only think we can do is investigate, talk about different theories while we wait for the truth to come out. :|
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 03:29:32 PM
I hope someone has something to say real soon to proof this is not true.?
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 03:35:28 PM
I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS THE CASE HERE...
WE SAW HIM ON THIS IS IT ON 23TH, RIGHT?
I THINK HE DON'T DO THIS BECAUSE OF HIS CHILDREN, THEY ARE HIS LIFE...
HE DON'T DO THIS IN HIS HOUSE WITH THE KIDS THERE...
 :roll:[/quote]

Why the rolling eyes :?:
Where you with him when he died :?:
It's just a theory all for the truth remember.
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 03:37:06 PM
yeah it's pretty hard to talk about this..


But was Michael really that depressed?  IDK the few last videos of him we saw and the pictures of him doesn't seem to me that he was depressed....but otherwise, Michael is/was a good actor..


I also hope we'll find a proof against this suicide-theory...
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 03:45:43 PM
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You mean Assisted Suicide? Suicide IS illegal, but since the person who committed it is dead then no one can be charged...its a victimless crime. However someone who assists in a suicide is held liable.....

If that's how you name it in the US that's what i mean.
Can you tell me how long a person can be held liable ?
Is that for live ?
What if there is no proof of assist.
still have alot of questions becauase i'm not familiar with the US laws.[/quote]


Assisted Suicide is a hot topic in the US. Some people believe it to be ethical, others do not.
As far "proof" of an assisted suicide....Im not sure about that one....like I said....its a big debate here in the US. There are cases where someone is going to die and will never be cured of what is killing them and the person believes they have a "right to die". So they feel they should be allowed to be given a lethal dose of prescription drugs, prescribed by a doctor, to end their life so they dont have to suffer anymore.
you can look up "assisted suicide" on google and a ton of articles come up if you would like to read.

I do not think Dr Murray assisted in MJ's suicide...for the record.
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 03:59:56 PM
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You mean Assisted Suicide? Suicide IS illegal, but since the person who committed it is dead then no one can be charged...its a victimless crime. However someone who assists in a suicide is held liable.....

If that's how you name it in the US that's what i mean.
Can you tell me how long a person can be held liable ?
Is that for live ?
What if there is no proof of assist.
still have alot of questions becauase i'm not familiar with the US laws.


Assisted Suicide is a hot topic in the US. Some people believe it to be ethical, others do not.
As far "proof" of an assisted suicide....Im not sure about that one....like I said....its a big debate here in the US. There are cases where someone is going to die and will never be cured of what is killing them and the person believes they have a "right to die". So they feel they should be allowed to be given a lethal dose of prescription drugs, prescribed by a doctor, to end their life so they dont have to suffer anymore.
you can look up "assisted suicide" on google and a ton of articles come up if you would like to read.

I do not think Dr Murray assisted in MJ's suicide...for the record.[/quote]

Thank you for the explanation i am going to google.
I'm not accusing anyone or anbody, i'm not a judgemental person. Just trying to get as much info on everything regarding my theory.
And so far your the only one who could help me out so thanks again.
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 04:01:11 PM
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agree with you. Depression can make you think everybody is better off without you. If Michael was very depressed, he might've thought his family, friends, fans & his children would be better off without him. It's hard to think that he might of thought that, but if he was depressed it could've clouded up his thinking. Yes, he has been through hell and back a few times in his life. There's only so much a person can take without breaking down.[/quote][/color]
But wasn't on one of the tapes he mentioned he was afraid of getting old.  He mentioned also on the private home vids about living. I have to go back to listen to the vid again.

I do agree that he may have become depressed as it can effect anyone of us on any level it's just hard to say that he would do anything like this.
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 04:01:43 PM
It's pretty sad to read this  :( So is it true that Michael said this?
"On June 21, Jackson told my contact that he wanted to die. He said that he didn’t have what it would take to perform any more because he had lost his voice and dance moves."It’s not working out", Jackson said. "I’m better off dead. I don’t have anywhere left to turn. I’m done".Michael’s closest confidante told me just two hours after he died that Michael was tired of living.  :(  :( :(

I can't (and don't want to) believe it !!! :oops:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-ago.html
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 04:34:41 PM
1) Suicide theory - we know depressed people can commit suicide. But it was reported that Michael had career plans for the future. Depressed people have no plans. For all I've read about Michael, I don't think it was his case. Of course it's my opinion and it's based only on what I've read in the newspapers.

2) Terminally ill theory - Tabloids (I think The Sun) reported they sent a double to rehearsals and press conference because he was about to die. Were the tabloids telling the truth for the first time in their lives? Another point is: if he was in such a bad health condition, I don't know  if he could attend to rehearsals, and sing and dance. Besides, I remember it was reported his family said he died unexpectedly - if he was terminally ill, why would they state it? And now it was discussed in a thread recently that now it's a murder investigation. So,if he was terminally ill, considering he really passed away, it was not the illness that caused the death, but someone killed him...? These are my questions on this theory, if someone helps me to answer them, it will be appreciated.
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 05:02:52 PM
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It is so sad to think that Michael would end his own life.  I don't believe he would do such a thing.  He held too much belief in the all mighty and he knew that would be the ultimate sin that could never be forgiven. He lived his life for children, not just his, but the world's children, for mine and yours.  He could not leave us that way.  A person that is in a deep depression would not have been able to function, let alone rehearse for a concert.  A person that is on the verge of taking one's own life would not talk of the future. Michael talked of the future in the movie.  Michael made plans.  I am still in belief that he had to fake his death so that he could survive.  I don't pay attention to what some of the people that were around him say.  Yes, he was thin, but he has always been thin.  I don't believe that he had a dependency of perscription drugs.  He might have needed help to get to sleep, but who doesn't.  I need that help from time to time.  Some people choose to take a different route to get to sleep.  Some, take OTC medication, meditate, drink teas or drink alcohol.  There is way too many doubts in my mind that would make me believe that he is physically gone from us.

I have to disagree on some points here.
I had a good friend who committed suicide and i saw her hours before she hung herself.  She was very happy that night, very chatty.  They say that once someone has made up their mind to end it all, its like a weight has been lifted off their shoulders and they are happy because they see an end in sight.
My friend was at work and didnt show any warning signs; even though the truth was she was obviously very depressed and unhappy.

This theory may explain why MJ suddenly started to turn up to rehearsals and putting his all in at the end.

Its is just a theory and if it turns out to be the truth i would understand MJs decision and wouldnt blame him at all.

All i know is that something isnt right in all of this and i will not rest until i find out the truth.  There is a cover up going on and there must be a reason for that cover up.  The family know the truth.
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 05:05:02 PM
Here is the link to the article of the bodyguard who talks about driving MJ to his last rehearsal "two days" before his death:

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/62 ... d100k.html
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 15, 2009, 06:52:48 PM
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I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS THE CASE HERE...
WE SAW HIM ON THIS IS IT ON 23TH, RIGHT?
I THINK HE DON'T DO THIS BECAUSE OF HIS CHILDREN, THEY ARE HIS LIFE...
HE DON'T DO THIS IN HIS HOUSE WITH THE KIDS THERE...
 :roll:

Why the rolling eyes :?:
Where you with him when he died :?:
It's just a theory all for the truth remember.[/quote]

NO, I WASN'T WITH HIM... :lol:
MAYBE I MUST USE :?
OK, I KNOW HE IS ALIVE, I SAW HIM AT UNIVERSAL AND I FEEL THAT!
HE ISN'T ON THE RIP SECTION OF TMZ... IF WE BELIEVE TO TMZ ABOUT THE "DEAD" WHY DON'T BELIEVE ABOUT THIS...
AND THE CIRCUS OUTSIDE THE STAPLES, THE BLONDE LADY... THIS THINGS ARE WHAT MAKE ME FEEL THIS WAY...
AND WE ARE HERE INVESTIGATING THE HOAX DEATH... SO I BELIEVE ON THE HOAX! ;)
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 16, 2009, 01:51:07 AM
I'm sad as hell right now, but I remember something I heard on the radio right after MJ's "death".

We have a prankster guy here, Wackhead Simpsom, who pranks people over the radio. That day he played this sound clip about MJ.

The clip was about him and his kids playing. His kids were singing "You are my sunshine" to him. At the end they sang "please don't take my daddy away". Then MJ giggled and said "I'm not going anywhere". Needless to say, I cried like a baby..

I tried to look for the clip but couldn't find it. I'm not sure when it was recorded.

His words wouldn't explain the hoax, but if it was done within reasonable time it can be proof that he wouldn't have comitted suicide?

A lot could have happened that had to make him do the hoax, but suicide. I just can't think about it?
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 16, 2009, 07:14:31 AM
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I'm sad as hell right now, but I remember something I heard on the radio right after MJ's "death".

We have a prankster guy here, Wackhead Simpsom, who pranks people over the radio. That day he played this sound clip about MJ.

The clip was about him and his kids playing. His kids were singing "You are my sunshine" to him. At the end they sang "please don't take my daddy away". Then MJ giggled and said "I'm not going anywhere". Needless to say, I cried like a baby..

I tried to look for the clip but couldn't find it. I'm not sure when it was recorded.

His words wouldn't explain the hoax, but if it was done within reasonable time it can be proof that he wouldn't have comitted suicide?

A lot could have happened that had to make him do the hoax, but suicide. I just can't think about it?

Is it this video? They are so cute  :oops:  :oops:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmqWbJ0IrJ4
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 16, 2009, 08:35:08 AM
Hi, unfortunately, I can't watch the video on this PC, but will do soon.
Thanks for posting though.

Do you know when it was done?
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 16, 2009, 08:48:30 AM
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Hi, unfortunately, I can't watch the video on this PC, but will do soon.
Thanks for posting though.

Do you know when it was done?
I think it was on 2002, not sure.
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 16, 2009, 10:20:33 AM
The warrants are poor to say the least!! they have wrong names on them, nicknames for people/witnesses. I would have thought official documents would have to be correct in case they are used in court!!  :ugeek:
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 16, 2009, 11:37:17 AM
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1) Suicide theory - we know depressed people can commit suicide. But it was reported that Michael had career plans for the future. Depressed people have no plans. For all I've read about Michael, I don't think it was his case. Of course it's my opinion and it's based only on what I've read in the newspapers.

2) Terminally ill theory - Tabloids (I think The Sun) reported they sent a double to rehearsals and press conference because he was about to die. Were the tabloids telling the truth for the first time in their lives? Another point is: if he was in such a bad health condition, I don't know  if he could attend to rehearsals, and sing and dance. Besides, I remember it was reported his family said he died unexpectedly - if he was terminally ill, why would they state it? And now it was discussed in a thread recently that now it's a murder investigation. So,if he was terminally ill, considering he really passed away, it was not the illness that caused the death, but someone killed him...? These are my questions on this theory, if someone helps me to answer them, it will be appreciated.

Personnaly,I don't believe in the suicide theory although if it was the case,the poeple around him would have seek for help ,especially the doctor Murray would have to face the law because it is  his duty to report its intention to end his days to prevent this...not helping him comitting suicide!He would have to referrer him to a psychiatrist because the personne who wants to end his life is mentally unable to make a clear decision.For the terminally ill theory ,well there too, it would be against the law,and the doctor would be held responsible for this and face some jail time.In Canada, assisted suicide is punishable by a maximum sentence of 14 years in prison.A famous case about this in my country was madame Sue Rodriguez,she request assisted suicide and went to the Supreme Court of Canada twice but lost both battles, she did end her life with the help of an anonymous physician.
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Re: The Fake Search Warrent's

  • on: December 16, 2009, 05:40:34 PM
Guys let me just say that I really do not feel that MJ would have committed suicide because of his children. Those kids meant the world to him! Also if you recall in the recorded conversations with the Rabbi the Rabbi asked MJ if he was afraid of death and Mj stated yes. I hate to even think of a doctor assisted suicide, because it just seems so out of character for our beloved MJ!. Someone here said he overdosed on Demerol, do we have proof of this an article ?  or interview?  MJ loved life! MJ had/has plans to change the world and spoke of these future plans. So i disagree with suicide. :(
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