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Thanks Souza...you are absolutely right with what you are saying! I am a total believer in the hoax and nothing will change my mind. I know MJ is alive and nobody will convince me otherwise.I do however want to make a comment. I was reading Rabbi Schmuley's book (online of course bacause I would NEVER support anything that Schmuley does....). In the very beginning of the book/tapes, Michael goes in to great detail about wanting to disappear.
Thanks Souza...you are absolutely right with what you are saying! I am a total believer in the hoax and nothing will change my mind. I know MJ is alive and nobody will convince me otherwise.I do however want to make a comment. I was reading Rabbi Schmuley's book (online of course bacause I would NEVER support anything that Schmuley does....). In the very beginning of the book/tapes, Michael goes in to great detail about wanting to disappear. He doesn't leave much for the imagination....it is quite clear that at that time, he did not want to grow old, did not want to be photographed, did not want to be seen.....and uses the word "disappear" several times. I truly believe that is what Michael wanted to do ... and he has done that very thing. My point is, because we are able to hear MJs words, are we going against what he would want by continuing with trying to find him, waiting for him to appear, trying to unravel what he has done. I mean, he states his wishes so plainly. I am starting to think that maybe we should just leave him alone and not bring so much attention to "uncovering the truth". If it was reported by someone else, another source, it would not mean much to me but the fact that this book was released so quickly after his "supposed death" makes me wonder if MJ wanted HIS WORDS HEARD.....and really just to be allowed to "disappear". Again, I am in total agreement that this is a hoax......he is alive and hopefully well.....but maybe we are not allowing him to go on with what he really wanted.....just to "disappear".
Thanks Souza, I needed to read it.Quote from: "4KB"Thanks Souza...you are absolutely right with what you are saying! I am a total believer in the hoax and nothing will change my mind. I know MJ is alive and nobody will convince me otherwise.I do however want to make a comment. I was reading Rabbi Schmuley's book (online of course bacause I would NEVER support anything that Schmuley does....). In the very beginning of the book/tapes, Michael goes in to great detail about wanting to disappear.Yes, but why announcing concerts and creating such a commotion when he was already "half hidden" before the concert announcements? I mean I hadn't heard much of him before the announcements. That's what I don't understand, and it makes me think there's more behind his supposed death than wanting to disappear...
I felt the urge to post this, after reading this post: http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1200It seems that some members are having so much doubt about Mike being alive, that as soon as someone tells something that sounds plausible about Mike being dead. I myself, after more then 5 months of research, will never believe he died on June 25th of this year. I am convinced he is alive and not even an autopsy picture wouldn't change that. Why? Because in those 5 months there has been no proof of him being dead, and hundreds, maybe even thousands of clues that he is still alive. Let me give you a summary of the events to cheer you up:June 25:Mike 'dies'. The inconsistencies in the story already start on this day. I remember I heard on the news that he had been taken to the hospital and that he was in a coma. TMZ reports his death at 2:20 PT, while he wasn't pronounced dead by the doctors at UCLA before 2:26 PT. Later we hear that he was dead on arrival, and even that he should have been dead hours before the EMT's arrived. Some stories say that Prince was in the room, sometimes he was not. Stories saying he collapsed in the living room with Murray present, stories he was on Murray's bed/his own bed and Murray in the bathroom. He died of an overdose Demerol, later it was Propofol. Now what is it? Also remember the clearly fake ambulance picture and the stupid moron who made a picture of the famous photographer, instead of running his ass off to the ambulance and try to make that shot himself.There hasn't been a doctor that wanted to sign the death certificate. If he died in the house, why didn't sign Murray, and if he was in a coma first at UCLA, why didn't sign a doctor from UCLA the DC? Because there is no DC. The 3 or 4 versions we have seen are fake, because his name is not Michael Joseph Jackson anymore. Either it was never his real name, or he changed it before the 2005 trial, but the name is not right, means the DC is a fake.LAPD:The LADP allows the family in the house fisrt, before they search it. Well, enough said, I really hope nobody will buy that story. Also there are only 3 investigators on the case. We had a case of a murdered girl here in Holland a few years ago, there were 50!! investigators on the case. 3 is ridicilous...The Autopsy:No autopsy pictures were released. I can tell you that that picture would have been worth a LOT more than the ambulance picture. There will always be someone greedy enough at the coroner's office to make the picture and sell it. Nobody did. Why? Because there was no body guys. That also convinced me of the fact that he didn't hoax his death to never return again. If he really wanted us to believe he is dead, we would have seen an autopsy picture or at least an open casket picture (and not the mirrored James Brown one I mean ;) )Mo and I also e-mailed Craig Harvey from the Coroner's office. I don't know if you will still have doubts after this recap, but in that case I advice you to e-mail the guy, your doubts will vanish into thin air if you ask the right questions and read between the lines, although I am not sure he still replies the 'Hoaxies' :lol: . They say they removed his brain for examination and delivered it back to the family. If they really found Mike in bed with IV's pumped full of drugs, they would have assumed that that was be the cause of the cardiac arrest, not a neurological problem.Removing an entire brain is not common, they only do that if it's hard to find a case of death and think it's neurological. In that case they will slice the brain, which makes it impossible to return it to the family. Drugs can be found in hair or nails, and IF they needed a brain sample, they could have done a biopsy, no need to get the brain out.The memorial:Started late, no tears, old pictures, "I'm alive and I'm here forever", no open casket, Barnum Circus in town and you may agree or disagree, but I think Mike was there himself, dressed as the blondie.The funeral:Staged, probably shot at culver, again no open casket, people looked bored, started late too, and again Mike on TV at Larry King Live as Dave Dave.And there is so much more. Read the forum, read the hoax blogs, read articles. After reading all of this, it's impossible IMO to still think he's dead. Mike is trying to teach us. By 'cracking his code' he wants us to learn to think for ourselves and not take everything the media or the government says for truth. He is showing us so much, but only few people are seeing it. Read more, think more, post more and don't say "OMG HE'S DEAD" whenever some ass tells you a BS story from some anonymous source that he is dead, because he is not.Check into the chat once in a while to participate in the conversations or ask other members questions if you don't understand something. Don't let people fool you. Do you really think Mike hoaxed his death and would not make some people think he is dead? Confusion confusion folks. Only those that read between the lines and think for themselves, will know he's alive. If you believe anything someone tells you, you still didn't get his point. Cheer up people and go read some stuff!
That also convinced me of the fact that he didn't hoax his death to never return again. If he really wanted us to believe he is dead, we would have seen an autopsy picture or at least an open casket picture (and not the mirrored James Brown one I mean ;) )
Yeap I agree, there is no proof he is dead.but I have a question, what about the people there in LA who were selling Michael's autopsy picture in 1million dollars ?are they crazy ? was it a lie ? a very famous tv host here in my country went there and he saw that people offering the picture and he said everything was crazy there, everything was about Michael, and I trust this man, I do.
If you trust this man and think that that story is real, then why are you still here? You are here because you have doubts about this story. Do you think someone would buy that pic for 1 million dollar and just put it in his drawer? I don't think so! I am not buying this story at all. If somebody has bought that picture, it would be all over the net, accompanied by a lot of Google ads. This is exactly what I mean, THINK before you conclude...
Quote from: "~Souza~"The Autopsy]Mo and I also e-mailed Craig Harvey from the Coroner's office. I don't know if you will still have doubts after this recap, but in that case I advice you to e-mail the guy, your doubts will vanish into thin air if you ask the right questions and read between the lines, although I am not sure he still replies the 'Hoaxies'
The Autopsy]Mo and I also e-mailed Craig Harvey from the Coroner's office. I don't know if you will still have doubts after this recap, but in that case I advice you to e-mail the guy, your doubts will vanish into thin air if you ask the right questions and read between the lines, although I am not sure he still replies the 'Hoaxies'
And I am not here to find him. Even if I would find out where he is (not very likely though) I would not tell someone or try to find him. His location is of no importance. The fact that he leaves all these 'clues' is because he wants us to open our eyes to certain things. Stop living on the automatic pilot and think for ourselves again. Read stuff before judging someone or something. It's not a roadmap to his location, it's a roadmap to your own brain, your own intellect. He has planned this for his reasons and he needs the time to do the things that need to be done. If that means he comes back next year, fine. If it means he needs another 5 years, also fine. Remember he must have some balls to pull this off and he doesn't owe his fans anything, they have had him long enough already. This is his project and he decides if and when he returns. Because of the point in my post I am pretty sure he will be back one day.
And to be honest, why would he go trough so much trouble to fake his death just to disappear, if he was already living away from the spotlight for many years now? We need to give him time. I'm not really anticipating a date for his comeback or trying to find out where he is, I just want to understand why he faked his death and most importantly, find out if he's safe and happy. That's all I ever wanted - for him to be happy. IMO it's still soon to give up. Michael may have had many reasons to fake his death and it might take a while for him to be prepared for a comeback. Who knows, maybe he is enjoying a quick break to reestablish his forces / treat his health problems before he gets his cute little ass back to work. ;)
Quote from: "IllegallyBrunette" And to be honest, why would he go trough so much trouble to fake his death just to disappear, if he was already living away from the spotlight for many years now? We need to give him time. I'm not really anticipating a date for his comeback or trying to find out where he is, I just want to understand why he faked his death and most importantly, find out if he's safe and happy. That's all I ever wanted - for him to be happy. IMO it's still soon to give up. Michael may have had many reasons to fake his death and it might take a while for him to be prepared for a comeback. Who knows, maybe he is enjoying a quick break to reestablish his forces / treat his health problems before he gets his cute little ass back to work. ;) My point exactly! He has lived so long away from the spotlights! I do believe he might come back, but right now he needs his time! And I am more than willing to give him that, he has given us so much over all those years, that's the least I can do for him! Just keep the faith and be patient (I know its hard!!!)!
Hi Souza and everyone, I really need someone's insight now! I read the posts made on 'the fake search warants' topic and there was someone who had this opinion. He/she said that MJ might have comitted suicide, with Dr Murray helping him. That that was the reason why they waited so long to call 911 because they wanted to make sure no one would be able to revive him.I think this theory (and maybe the murder one as well) might be able to explain some of the inconsistancies, but not all. Like his family being happy etc. Unless they really didn't know.. But still even if they think he "died normal" they should be sad!Someone said he would not have done it because of his kids, but the argument is that depression can make you think that the world will be better of without you. Which is true, but it is his kids??
I like your name, real funny! I know there has been many clues, but what clues do you think has he been sending post "death"?
Michael is alive. I pray that he is okay and knows without a doubt that he is LOVED.
Souza you said something here that just made me think AGAIN (as if I haven't been doing that enough). You stated that Dave Dave was at LKL the night of the funeral and I remembered watching him. Now here is where I start to question things. If DD was at LKL doing an interview at the start of the funeral, how is it possible that he was at the funeral. He couldn't possibly be 2 places at the same time unless one of them wasn't the real DD!!!!What do you think?
Hi all, first I want to tell you I'm a big sceptic and pessimist normally [though scepticpart likes to question everything, pessimist always wins], and in 2009 I "buried" Michael like the rest of the world, combined with bad bad events in my own life it was no doubt we're all going to hell and no way there will be survivors :cry: .. grief was enormous. I was MAD at family and everyone who delayed Michael's funeral, I was MAD at how circus-like and staged it all looked, "They have no respect!!""Look at that Hollywood crowd, they can't get serious even now!" In 2010 I became furious that trial is forever delayed, I gave in and studied what I couldand became more mad as everything was so FAKE - papers/documents, doctor,everything. Like poorly made cover-up, like setting of Desperate Housewives or something. "They get away with planned murder!" I thought. "Criminals all around him!"But .. don't know how, suddenly doubt arrived. It's just too messed up and fake. It's staged too much. Strange. Scripted. People contradicting too much. And I know for surenews/media is about LIES, so we have to look for Truth elsewhere. Don't trust media.In the place where everyone is actor {diploma or not, acting is like a state of mind},when I still have to see at least 1 "official" document that won't have mistakes and odditiesin it, when everyone involved can't repeat the story twice without adding/removingdetails, when even Elvis shadow is everpresent {can't believe i did research on his death,I always laughed at ones questioning his death! /white flag/ }, when person like Michael is thecentral figure {playful rich genius we still know nothing about, he most likelyput hidden meanings and hints in everything he made, and God do I hope he hadreal friends who adored him as much as we do and who would do anything tohelp and protect him!}.. why not? When the whole world says "No", he could say "Yes", especially if there was serious reason to escape. Let's wait and see what happens next. Too early to say no.
Great, great, great work Souza. Thanks. It bothers me when people shriek out that maybe he is dead or that they're losing help, ET. Al. I personally am not looking to finally discover that MJ died. I believe like you that he is alive, and I'll always believe it.I don't know how to explain it all, but for me these things stick out.1. The messages and pictures shown at the Memorial upon reflection didn't scream finality. I chocked it up to my just feeling let down and disappointed that someone so giving and loving had to leave us so soon.Something just didn't seem right. And then when Berry Gordy remarked that MJ made some questionable decisions, now in retrospect, I think he was speaking about this hoax for the most part.Jermaine's singing the wrong words in "Smile" was very telling, and if not for the message being sent, one could have thought that he didn't know the correct words to the song. But we know he does.2. Michael's children are very important to him. We don't know all of his reasons for doing what he did, but I think he wanted his children to be able to venture out into the real world. He wanted them to be able to cope as adults with the real world; although he knows that they will probably need bodyguards for the rest of their lives. He wanted them to have some freedom. He wanted people to see his creations and learn their faces. The way he raised Prince and Paris reminds me of John-John and Caroline Kennedy. He admired their mother very much, and she edited his biography. He wants them to be giving and loving persons like he is, and he wants them to be cultured and learned. But most of all, he wants them to have some fun in their lives like they had at Neverland.3. Now get this. I've been thinking a lot about this lately. I don't think it is that hard to hide one's self in plain sight, so MJ may be living at Encino, Las Vegas and Neverland. He is the master of disguises, and I think he turned the corner from just wearing hats and mustaches to hide who he was in public. That is one huge reason why he made the movie Ghosts. He wanted to actually feel what it was like to change into a completely new person, whether man or woman. Some think he was the blonde woman at the Memorial. I think he was Hat Man.When Marlon made the reference concerning MJ and how he would always be able to spot him if in disguise, notice he mentioned years ago. He and the rest of the family know that MJ didn't disguise himself like that any longer. He went all out. He could grow taller (like in Dave-Dave). He could play a fat white man (like in Ghosts). And like some people think, he could even play a lady. So I think by Marlon making that comment was an inside joke.Another thing that the family is doing is talking about "interventions", and whether or not they did any or should have done more. Why? I think the reason they are speaking out about it, after being asked of course, is because they have him captured now sort of speak. If he had a prescription pill problem, then finally they put their collective feet down and talked him into getting some help. If they are getting him some help now, then I sincerely believe that he spends most of his time at Encino, and when he goes out, he is either in full body and face disguise or they are trying to hide him like in the TMZ video where they are using a blanket of some kind hiding the children? What is that all about? Plus, MJ did have Lupus, and his mother most likely talked him into moving back home concerning it too.It may be about the fact that Encino is huge. MJ lived there until 29, and then he moved to Neverland. He loved it there, felt safe there and so on or he wouldn't have stayed there until almost thirty. I think Joe Jackson and his mother finally did convince him to get away from all of those vultures and hangers on. I think Joe Jackson did finally get to MJ; although he is saying that he tried to get in the house but the security didn't let him. I think the family is bringing such things like that up because at one time it was like that, but finally they convinced Mike to reassess who he was dealing with as it pertained to whom he trusted with his finances, his well being and his children's well being and future. Now as it stands, and with his being able to stay at his and his mother's house in Encino, only the children need bodyguards now. Of course though, if he ventures out with them, his body is being guarded also. His new managers will be his father again and his nephews. MJ knows his parents are getting older and he wanted to spend more time with them and to let his children spend more time with them and learn and grow from being around their relatives. MJ is content now probably, and may be living in the guest house or his old room there. I don’t think he lived there at first. I think he was overseas. Maybe he was in Germany.MJ's family will not let him be controlled by anyone ever again. They got his back now forever. They will carry him and protect him. He also knew that it was the J-5 40th anniversary this year and he wanted his family to get their due. He knows that he couldn't have risen as high as he did without them, Berry Gordy and Quincy Jones, for the most part. He realized again that he was loved by them all and with them, he felt safe. He may have been a little surprised at how well he fit back in with his family. He knows and understands now more than ever that he needed to let some bygones be bygones and trust and love his family again. Blood is thicker than water and everything. And nothing and no one is perfect. We’re all only human.4. I also believe that if MJ felt someone was trying to kill him, he needed to take action. Is there a safer place than "there's no place like home?" Because no one would know where he was headquartered and living, it became and is "a place with no name." The video of his brothers two days after 6-25-09 in the SUV with what some people believe was MJ in the back could definitely be true. If he is living at home, why would that be so hard to fathom? Marlon was wearing a FBI hat, and just the other day, he stated on TV that he is working for the government. Someone posted an article from February about his involvement in something in Africa, but I think for him to reiterate it now but not give up any info about it keeps it suspicious looking and is something to keep in mind. The brothers seemed too happy that day, what with their brother supposedly having just passed two days before. And they didn't want anyone gawking in the back seat. Something was up with that. They forgot to "hide every trace of gladness." The entire family is just glad that he decided to kill several vultures with one stone sort of speak and go back home where he can clear his thoughts, and if on pills, wean himself off of them, and basically just be around so many family members that love him. Surely, they all know that money can't buy true happiness or love.He’s travelled all over the world, so he has been there and done that. That doesn’t excite him anymore, and he hates to tour, so he is enjoying some down and out of sight time. He is enjoying watching his children enjoy.5. The movie theory. I also believe very strongly that all of these things ties together. Throughout it all MJ was working on a movie, This Is It. There are a lot of messages within the movie. He truly was also working on all kinds of things. We know that if his name is to be attached to anything, he would want it to be classy and right. Plus, he is finished with touring and writing music per se. He wants to direct and produce movies. That is his future and contribution to the arts.6. So what's out right now in MJ's image and name? A. music & catalogs - plus, a lot of unreleased material (some dating back decades) B. movieC. books - OpusD. video gameE. potential musicalF. dollG. comic bookH. cologneI. paintings (ones he painted, 1984 Warhol portrait and his art collection) - <!-- m -->http://www.juliensauctions.com/auctions ... l-jackson/<!-- m -->J. childrenK. biopic being plannedL. instrumental album (classical) <!-- m -->http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/enterta ... tal_a.html<!-- m -->M. maybe Jordan Chandler's admission of lying N. media’s hatchet jobs against him revealed - <!-- m -->http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/93 ... own-death/<!-- m -->7. Making money from this hoax is a byproduct of his having to do it. I think MJ hoaxed his death for a lot of reasons. I think he watched the “Dancing with the Stars” finale with his mother and children at his Encino home. He is freer now than he’s ever been before, even though he’s supposedly died. He is working on new projects and is teaching his children. He may travel to another safe and secret house from time to time. He may be receiving some kind of health treatments for his Lupus. Whatever he’s doing and for whatever reasons, he deserves it, because for over thirty years, in some ways, he lived like a virtual prisoner in his own home and skin, and the press has ridiculed and persecuted him unmercifully. For some reason, I believe he is breathing and enjoying himself, and is taking care of any health related issues.
