7 CATEGORIES: MENTAL (PLEASE HELP)

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7 CATEGORIES: MENTAL (PLEASE HELP)

  • on: November 24, 2009, 11:56:22 AM
We have endlessly searched for months and months. We have found a lot of inconsistencies and came up with a variety of theories. I've always believed that there is some truth to all of this evidence and theories so I think it's time for us to come together. One way we can do this is by compiling all of the stuff we've found and analyzed in the old board, outline it (which I'll explain how) and then discussing how they all might interlink with each other. We may butt heads on a few ideas but I think we can really have an idea of the truth if we do this together. We are all here for truth so let's see how close we can get to it.

Now how can we condense everything into one outline? Well it's sort of simple. I've come up with seven categories of reason. I shared this a few days ago on the old board but just in case, you don't know. The seven categories of reason is a way to digest the highly complicated hoax and the potential reasons behind it. And the categories are the following: Personal, Physical, Environmental, Emotional, Sociopolitical, Mental
& Spiritual.

In this thread, we will focus on Mental category.  Explanation is below.

Mental: This whole ordeal has forced us all to look beyond the surface and challenge our brains to think deeply so for this, we can brainstorm all the ways this was accomplished and the possible reasons why he would do this beyond him (which can tie into the sociopolitical and spiritual categories).

If you would like to get further details on the other categories, please feel free to go to the LETS COME TOGETHER thread or to the blog @ http://7c.tumblr.com.
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Re: 7 CATEGORIES: MENTAL (PLEASE HELP)

  • on: December 20, 2014, 09:32:04 AM
We have endlessly searched for months and months. We have found a lot of inconsistencies and came up with a variety of theories. I've always believed that there is some truth to all of this evidence and theories so I think it's time for us to come together. One way we can do this is by compiling all of the stuff we've found and analyzed in the old board, outline it (which I'll explain how) and then discussing how they all might interlink with each other. We may butt heads on a few ideas but I think we can really have an idea of the truth if we do this together. We are all here for truth so let's see how close we can get to it.

Now how can we condense everything into one outline? Well it's sort of simple. I've come up with seven categories of reason. I shared this a few days ago on the old board but just in case, you don't know. The seven categories of reason is a way to digest the highly complicated hoax and the potential reasons behind it. And the categories are the following: Personal, Physical, Environmental, Emotional, Sociopolitical, Mental
& Spiritual.

In this thread, we will focus on Mental category.  Explanation is below.

Mental: This whole ordeal has forced us all to look beyond the surface and challenge our brains to think deeply so for this, we can brainstorm all the ways this was accomplished and the possible reasons why he would do this beyond him (which can tie into the sociopolitical and spiritual categories).

If you would like to get further details on the other categories, please feel free to go to the LETS COME TOGETHER thread or to the blog @ <!-- m -->http://7c.tumblr.com<!-- m -->.

After 5 years, I find the concept of seven categories profound and intriguing. I am ready for thinking application and exchange of thought. Are you still around?
"It’s a great loss for us and I just hope and pray that the Creator, whatever you believe in, still holds us in favor to send us another angel like that. Because if not, we may have lost more than just a man. It must be something very special to send a man like that down. He influenced so many different people, so many different industries, politics, science, music, art ... And then to be taken away? Maybe we didn't take good care of him". - W. Snipes

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Re: 7 CATEGORIES: MENTAL (PLEASE HELP)

  • on: December 20, 2014, 03:37:57 PM
Here is an article about Michael's mental state and an intervention from the family two weeks prior to June 25th, 2009. Whether this is true I don't know, but we can only go by what we have been given and then pick it apart and decide for ourselves if it is true or not.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1195999/24hr-sober-coach-hired-Michael-Jackson-desperate-family-brought-controversial-Doc-Hollywood-save-star.html

Revealed: Jackson family wanted to admit Michael to drugs clinic two weeks ago as he was danger to himself
By Caroline Graham

UPDATED: 05:07 EST, 29 June 2009

Michael Jackson's family were so concerned about his addiction to powerful painkillers they considered forcibly admitting him to a rehabilitation clinic just two weeks before he died.

The plan - which would have involved psychiatrists trying to convince a judge he was a danger to himself and others - was abandoned only because of Jackson's resistance, and the overwhelming pressure to fulfil his concert commitments in London.

Instead, he agreed to consult a controversial therapist known as 'Doc Hollywood' and to allow a 'sober coach' to accompany him to Britain, to stay with him constantly to try to wean him off drugs.


The Mail on Sunday also reveals today that Jackson collapsed from a morphine overdose six years ago, when he was suffering acute stress over child sex allegations.

Hours earlier, American TV had aired an interview in which Jackson rebutted claims about his personal life, which was regarded as critical to his future in showbusiness.

His family feared he would die after his breathing slowed and he lost consciousness - but details of the incident have never been made public until now.

Inevitably, the revelations will intensify speculation surrounding his death last Thursday - and whether the heavy dose of painkillers he took shortly before he died may have been a deliberate attempt to extricate himself from his gruelling 50-concert London comeback.


The extent of his drugs problems was revealed as:
•His manager spoke movingly of how Jackson's daughter Paris, 11, cried 'No, no, Daddy, no!' when he broke the news of her father's death.
•Jackson's three orphaned children reportedly asked to live with their grandmother.
•The Jackson family spoke for the first time of their devastation at his 'tragic' death and were considering whether to hold an official public memorial service.
•Jackson's personal doctor, Conrad Robert Murray, who was with him when he died, was quizzed by police for three hours.
•A US website claimed detectives are also planning to speak to Jackson's aide Dr Tohme Tohme about an 'alleged indirect connection' between prescription drugs and the pop star's death.

Dr Murray, a Texan cardiologist, had been hired by concert promoters AEG Live to be with Jackson in London from next week until March.
 
Chief executive Randy Phillips said: 'Michael told me personally that he trusted this man.'

Dr Murray was reportedly living at Jackson's Hollywood home after quitting his medical practice just two weeks ago.


It was believed to be Murray who desperately tried to revive Jackson. But the emergency 911 call showed that the resuscitation attempt took place with Jackson on his bed - experts said the recovery attempt should have been attempted on the floor.

A medical source said: 'The first thing any beginner is taught about CPR is to move the patient to a hard surface. A bed is too soft.'

Dr Murray spent three hours talking to detectives last night, with his lawyer at this side, after getting in touch with LA police. It was his second meeting with officers.

'Detectives assigned to Robbery-Homicide Division met with Dr Murray and conducted an extensive interview. Dr. Murray was cooperative and provided information which will aid the investigation,' a spokesman said.

The doctor's lawyers revealed he had been hired last month to go on Jackson's tour to Britain and insisted he was being treated as a witness rather than a suspect.

'Dr. Murray helped identify the circumstances around the death of the pop icon and clarified some inconsistencies,' a spokesman said.

'Dr. Murray has been in Los Angeles since the death of Mr. Jackson. He rode in the ambulance to the hospital and stayed at the hospital for hours comforting and consoling the Jackson family. 

'Investigators say the doctor is in no way a suspect and remains a witness to this tragedy. Dr. Murray will continue to cooperate fully with the authorities.'


Los Angeles coroners are now conducting a toxicology test, which will take four to six weeks, to determine what drugs were in Jackson's system.

The Jackson family have requested a second independent post-mortem now his the body has been released to the family. This was believed to be taking place in Los Angeles last night.

Before his death the family had consulted Californian drugs expert Dr Howard Samuels, known as Doc Hollywood, to try to 'save Michael from himself' because they knew he would refuse to go into rehab.

The family discussed all options with Dr Samuels and it was agreed that Jackson would detox at home under medical supervision and then be provided with the 'sober coach', who would remain with him for the duration of his 50 London concerts.

'Michael was adamant he did not have a drug problem and was not going to rehab. But in the end he relented to his family's wishes and agreed to having a sober companion,' said a source.

A typically Hollywood invention, a 'sober coach' is a trained professional who accompanies a patient full-time to ensure they stay off drugs. They administer random drug tests and liaise with psychiatrists and other doctors to keep the patient sober.

A source said: 'No one in the family had realised how serious Michael's problems were until Randy, his youngest brother, started staying over at Michael's house. He quickly realised that the situation was grave and that Michael needed urgent medical help or he might die.'


Dr Samuels is executive director of the Wonderland Centre, a £35,000-a-month private drugs and alcohol rehab facility based in the Hollywood Hills which has previously treated Lindsay Lohan and Mike Tyson.

Dr Samuels is said to be a favourite of the stars because of his unconventional treatment methods.

The source said: 'The Jackson family were recommended to call Wonderland as Dr Samuels is very experienced at dealing with high-profile celebrities.

'Many celebrities do not want to go into a conventional treatment centre because it takes them away from their professional commitments, causes negative Press and means they have to mix with ordinary junkies and, of course, they don't like to think of themselves in that way.

'Initially the family were so worried that they wanted to get a psychiatrist to go to Michael's house to perform a psychiatric evaluation to force him to go to rehab.'

Under California law, a person can be forcibly admitted to a drug detox facility if two independent psychiatrists evaluate him and convince a judge that he is a danger to himself or others.

The source said: 'It is an extremely difficult and lengthy process. When this was explained to the family, it was clearly not an option for Michael.
'Randy said they needed to save Michael from himself. His drug use was so severe, yet Michael was in total denial about how bad it was.

'He was having injections of the painkiller Demerol first thing in the morning and last thing at night, along with a host of other powerful drugs. He was refusing to eat and was popping pills constantly.

'The treatment was due to start this weekend. When someone is in as bad a state of dependence as Michael was you cannot detox them suddenly.

'The plan was to gradually start weaning him off the drugs this coming week. He would have had a team of doctors and nurses on call to deal with withdrawal symptoms. That was the plan.

Last night a spokesman for Dr Samuels refused to comment on Michael Jackson, citing doctor-patient confidentiality.

Meanwhile, removal vans last night started emptying Jackson's rental home of his personal possessions.

A source said that Michael's father Joe 'was concerned that people might try to remove some of his possessions, as happened when Princess Diana died'.

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Here are some items from the prelim hearing and Joes lawsuit that could tie in with this article:

http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/01/04/courtroom-notes-inside-the-preliminary-hearing-of-dr-conrad-murray/


Courtroom Notes: Inside the Preliminary Hearing of Dr. Conrad Murray
January 4, 2011 - 3:11 PM | by: FOXNews.com




Fox News Reporter Sally Arthy was in court today for the preliminary hearing of Michael Jackson’s Doctor Conrad Murray.
 Here are her notes from inside the courtroom.

There are no definite witnesses in court today
 Judge goes through court proceedings regarding photographs etc/comings and goings/cell phones
 There is a lottery for public seating each morning

Judge Walden opening statement 0910
 7-8 Day hearing
 20-30 witnesses
 Show Michael Jackson preparing for important tour in U.K.
 Major world event also important for MJ career
 MJ crew rehearsal at Staples Centre in the evening
 Defendant Murray working as personal psychologist, preventative treated
 Murray treating MJ at home in Holmby Hills
 Murray going late evening-midnight-1am at night and provide care..6 nights a week at MJ home giving Propofol to help MJ sleep for 2 straight months every night

No indication Propofol can be used for sleep aide


Joe's lawsuit indicates assessment, treatment and care of Michael from 2006 through 2009. As you can see for the date of May 12th it says 2010 not 2009. This is either a typo or Michael was receiving treatment in 2010, which I 100% agree with.





Was Michael under the influence from 2006 to 2009 due to his own hand or someone else? Was Murray the 'sober coach'? Did the treatment continue well past 2009?


Love you Michael!

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