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UCLA official announcement?

  • on: June 28, 2010, 06:09:56 AM
Hello everybody,
I'd like to say from now that I'm sorry if I post something at the wrong place or already posted, but I'm new and couldn't figure a better topic than in the UCLA section.
I'm very confused as, like many of us, I'd really love to beLIEve (ehehe) Micheal is still alive, but for me, the most hard to understand is how to fake official announcements by public authorities. I mean, he cannot have asked to an hospital (ambulances,elicopther..) the police, the firemen to partecipate to a big comedy and also to make falses announcements, can he? Even during his best years, I think he wouldn't have been able to do it, so can you imagine during the last years, after he had so many problems with justice and local authorities....this is impossible I think. Even if the pope or Barack Obama asked for something like this, they wouldn't accept. Or maybe yes, but just for "National gouvernement secrets" or something like this. :D
Anyway, my question is: Am I dreaming or there was also an authority, like one UCLA doctor or the medical centre director, who spoke to the microphones to announce MJ's death? I do remember something that wasn't only Jermaine's speech. Thank you everybody if you can answer to this....
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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: June 28, 2010, 07:10:29 AM
thome thome  announced jermaine  and then Jermaine gave the death announcement.

[youtube:1805au7g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucwgRHt1L4g[/youtube:1805au7g]


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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: June 28, 2010, 07:46:29 AM
Thank you, so any official announcement by the authorities
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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: June 28, 2010, 09:20:24 AM
None that i'm aware of.... which is very odd!!
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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: June 28, 2010, 05:49:33 PM
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Anyway, my question is: Am I dreaming or there was also an authority, like one UCLA doctor or the medical centre director, who spoke to the microphones to announce MJ's death? I do remember something that wasn't only Jermaine's speech. Thank you everybody if you can answer to this....

Thanks for bringing this back up.  To me this was one of the strangest things at the time, and still is, that UCLA has NEVER announced MJ's death officially.  It was said that they (UCLA) reported it to the Coroner's office, and then we got "official" word from the Coroner's office.  I remember one of the big news outlets got their confirmation from Steve Ruda, from the LA Fire Department. I'll give you some links you can go to to check this out for yourself.  

First this from the UCLA Newsroom site. Notice it is titled "A Statement on the Death of Michael Jackson at UCLA Medical Center." It does not say it is a statement from UCLA. Then notice it says "The family of Michael Jackson made this brief statement available on June 25 at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center." They seem to want to make it clear that the family has made this statement, wanting you to understand that they only made the statement at UCLA, that UCLA has not made the statement themselves.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/me ... 94914.aspx

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Next is the video from the UCLA Newsroom site.  This is probably what you remember about someone else talking before Jermaine's speech. Yes, this press conference begins with a "welcome" from a UCLA employee, since, of course, the press conference is inside of UCLA.  Listen to what he says and see if you think it sounds like someone who is getting ready to introduce someone who is going to announce a death.  There are hundreds of people outside UCLA at this point wanting to know what has happened, and listen to how this fellow starts out this press conference.  "Okay, ah, good evening, good evening, my name is ___________, I'm the chief operating officer of the UCLA Hospital System.  I'd first like to introduce a, uh, personal friend of Mr. Jackson (you will notice later that he seems to be referring to Jermaine Jackson here, not Michael Jackson), Dr Thome, who will make a brief statement.  Uh, and then we'd like to bring up, uh, Jermaine Jackson.  Thank you."  

Then Thome gets up and says "Hi. I'm going to introduce to you Mr. Jermaine Jackson, and he is going to read a statement.  And if you please there will be no questions. Jermaine."

Then Jermaine reads his "statement".  This also seems strange, that Thome has to get up and say Jermaine is going to "read a statement".  Almost taking the responsibility away from Jermaine also, in terms of saying that Michael has "died" - you could say that Jermaine was just reading the statement that he was given to read.

http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucl ... id=E0C5478

COMPARE MJ's press conference introduction to this other press conference at UCLA - big difference!

http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucl ... id=E0C5478

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This article-

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... ckson.html

"At a brief news conference in the auditorium of the Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center this evening,  Jermaine Jackson sighed audibly several times before addressing reporters.

“This is hard,” he said softly. “My brother, the legendary King of Pop, passed away on Thursday, June 25, 2009 at 2:26 p.m.... It is believed he passed away of cardiac arrest.”

He said Michael Jackson's personal physician, Dr. Tohme R. Tohme, was with him at the house and had tried to resuscitate him. He said paramedics also tried to revive his brother and “upon arriving at the hospital at 1:14 p.m., a team of doctors, including emergency physicians and a cardiologist, worked to resuscitate him for a period of more than one hour but were unsuccessful.“

Jackson said a definitive cause of death would not be known until an autopsy is performed.

“May Allah be with you, Michael, always,” Jermaine Jackson said, ending the news conference.

UCLA officials did not say anything about Michael Jackson.

“We’re respecting the family’s wishes with respect to the patients’ privacy,” said hospital spokeswoman Roxanne Moster.




I wonder why this UCLA spokeswoman did not introduce the press conference??

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http://www.today.ucla.edu/portal/ut/sta ... 95128.aspx

"The hospital's media relations representatives worked with Jackson's family to arrange an announcement to the press in a downstairs auditorium. There were some anxious moments as crowds of journalists and fans gathered in front of the medical center's main entrance waiting to be let in. More than a dozen hospital and campus media reps joined officers in guiding reporters downstairs five at a time, checking media credentials at the door and turning away fans. Reporters and bulky video cameras soon filled the space, and even though the room seats nearly 200, not all the media could fit.

"We all did our best to accommodate an unprecedented volume of reporters on campus due to the extraordinary level of interest in Michael Jackson's death," said Phil Hampton, assistant director of UCLA's Office of Media Relations.

Jackson's brother Jermaine confirmed the news already being reported."



This still is not confirmation from UCLA that he was pronounced "dead" at UCLA.

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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: June 29, 2010, 04:50:38 AM
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Quote from: "francyna"
Anyway, my question is: Am I dreaming or there was also an authority, like one UCLA doctor or the medical centre director, who spoke to the microphones to announce MJ's death? I do remember something that wasn't only Jermaine's speech. Thank you everybody if you can answer to this....

Quote from: "pepper"
Thanks for bringing this back up.  To me this was one of the strangest things at the time, and still is, that UCLA has NEVER announced MJ's death officially.  It was said that they (UCLA) reported it to the Coroner's office, and then we got "official" word from the Coroner's office.  I remember one of the big news outlets got their confirmation from Steve Ruda, from the LA Fire Department


Thank you very much for all these informations, I'd never read the UCLA articles before and I'd never seen that the press conference was opened by an UCLA employee. As you say, they never officially stated about Mike's death, it's like they put all the responsability of that on the Jacksons family and they only.
Can I also add that maybe (maybe I'm fool, I don't know :D) it's a bit inappropriate for Jermaine to say "Michael Jackson, the legenday king of pop" for a death announcement, couldn't he just call him his official name Michael Joe Jackson? Anyway...

Nevertheless, I referred to another man who said Michael was dead to the cameras, it was outside Mike's house, a small guy, very short white hair....maybe is this Steve Ruda? If yes, he is from the Fire Departement?
And also, the guy who reported about MJ authopsy.....you know, everything could have been faked, but when I see official people (Fire Departement, coroner officer) making clear declarations, I say to me, this cannot be done....you know, even if we admit that Michael had the favours of lot of people (which I don't believe anyway, I think lot of people didn't like him over there) , this would be like a crime, they cannot make fake statements.....what do you think?
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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: June 29, 2010, 05:05:40 AM
I found it strange that Jermaine was the one to announce the death of MJ.  I'm sorry but it just seem odd.  It seem like one of their doctors should have made that announcement.  I can't even believe that Jermaine would have enough strength to talk after supposedly seeing your dead brother.  He was so composed too that's what amazed me.  He just said this is really hard then he made the announcement.  I never seen any other family members of celebs that died do this.  I've always seen a medical professional do it.  It's also odd that Latoya signed his death certificate.  How is that even possible to do when she's not a medical professional.  I found this article about Tupac when he died.  I highlighted the important parts like the fact that Tupac was identified by his fingerprints along with his mother but MJ was identified by his Driver's license.  Snoop also state that people need to put the rumor to rest about Tupac being alive.  I'm sure the Jackson family knows about fans that believe he still alive but they have yet to debunk these rumors.  The article also states that 20 people were interviewed by police but the police didn't interview any medical staff in the MJ case.  Here's the article:
Reasons why Tupac's death !!!
Courtesy of MTV News

In fact, there is plenty of evidence that Tupac is indeed dead. Las Vegas police interviewed over 20 witnesses to the shooting, and they believe they know who killed Tupac. But without further witness cooperation, they fear they won't have a prosecutable case. Secondly, an autopsy was performed on a body positively identified through fingerprints as Tupac Shakur, the cause of death listed as injuries from gunshot wounds. A death certificate is on file in the Clark County Vital Records Office, and Davis Funeral Home of Las Vegas confirms that they handled services for one Tupac Shakur.

"People need to let him rest in peace, let that rumor rest in peace," Snoop Doggy Dogg told MTV News. "When you make legendary music, people don't want to believe you're gone. Like, they keep saying Elvis ain't dead you know what I'm sayin', but it's just all about the individual himself, he was a legend and everybody don't wanna let it go."

Here`some more....

JOHN NORRIS: "Tupac filled his 25 years with enough drama and adventure to fill a three-hour movie. So it should come as no surprise that even in death, many of his fans still anxiously await one more plot twist. As with most good '90s conspiracy theories, "Tupac lives" began on the Internet."

Some speculate Tupac faked his death to boost record sales or to avoid enemies. In fact, Tupac's sales and public persona were never bigger than in the months before his death.

Armchair analysis of his lyrics shows that Tupac was preoccupied with his own passing, and an eerie video depicting his fatal shooting appeared just days after his death.

MARION "SUGE" KNIGHT: "On the cover of Makaveli he's on a cross, you know, shot up, being crucified and you know, it's real, it's real deep. I mean Pac got shot on the seventh and that's deep. You know, Jesus on the seventh day. And you know he went on to a better place on the thirteenth."


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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: June 29, 2010, 05:17:08 AM
Last week in german TV came some MJ " documentaries " and i saw it...they said :
Michael was pronounced dead from his family !!!!
That was so absolutly weird ! :shock:
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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: June 29, 2010, 03:53:43 PM
I just noticed something interesting on the UCLA Newsroom site.  I'm not sure what you call it in "internet" language, but it is the title of the link to the page, the part that follows the "www." and describes the link you are going to.

On the UCLA link to the page that has the information about Jermaine making the "statement of death", the link to that page looks like this -

 http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/media-reports-that-michael-jackson-94914.aspx

(This seems like UCLA is saying "the media reports that michael jackson"...  dies?  So UCLA is making even more of a point in this link that the MEDIA is reporting that Michael Jackson... )

And there is this article

"Statement on the death of Michael Jackson at UCLA Medical Center
By UCLA Newsroom June 25, 2009 Category: Campus News, Health Sciences
The family of Michael Jackson made this brief statement available on June 25 at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center:

The legendary King of Pop, Michael Jackson, passed away on Thursday, June 25, 2009, at 2:26 p.m. It is believed he suffered cardiac arrest in his home. However, the cause of his death is unknown until results of the autopsy are known.
 
His personal physician, who was with him at the time, attempted to resuscitate Jackson, as did paramedics who transported him to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center. Upon arriving at the hospital at approximately 1:14 p.m., a team of doctors, including emergency physicians and cardiologists, attempted to resuscitate him for a period of more than one hour but were unsuccessful.
 
Jackson’s family requests that the media respect their privacy during this tragic period of time."

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/me ... 94914.aspx
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COMPARE to the link for this article about the death of Coach John Wooden, UCLA basketball coach.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/john-wooden-dies-84109.aspx

(UCLA is making the statement that John Wooden has died)

And the article:

Coach John Wooden, 1910–2010
By Claudia Luther June 04, 2010

"UCLA's legendary former basketball coach John Wooden, who in 27 years led his teams to stunning triumphs and was just as well known for mentoring his players off the court and for his motivational "Pyramid of Success," died at 6:45 p.m. of natural causes. He was 99. His 100th birthday would have been Oct. 14.
 
Wooden had been admitted to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center on May 26. Funeral services will be private. Per the wishes of the family, there will be a public memorial at a later date, with a reception for former players and coaches."

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/jo ... 84109.aspx
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And this statement from his children

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/statement-from-nan-and-jim-wooden159630.aspx

(The kind of statement that a family would usually make - they are not announcing the death because UCLA has already done that)

"Statement from Nan and Jim Wooden on John Wooden
By UCLA June 04, 2010 Category: Campus News
The following statement was issued by Nan and Jim Wooden on the passing of their father, John Wooden:
 
We want to thank everyone for their love and support for our father. We will miss him more than words can express.
 
He has been, and always will be, the guiding light for our family. The love, guidance and support he has given us will never be forgotten.
 
Our peace of mind at this time is knowing that he has gone to be with our mother, whom he has continued to love and cherish.
 
We wish to express our gratitude for your support and appreciate your respecting our privacy."
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/st ... 59630.aspx
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And this

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/coach-john-wooden-hospitalized159643.aspx

(UCLA confirming that the Coach was hospitalized, but saying that the family wishes for them not to comment on his condition at this time.  Why could there not have been some sort of release of this type when "MJ" was admitted to UCLA?)

"Coach John Wooden hospitalized at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center
By UCLA Newsroom June 03, 2010 Category: Campus News, Health Sciences
UCLA has received numerous media and public inquiries regarding Coach John Wooden, the Bruins' legendary basketball coach from 1948-1975.
 
The campus has been authorized to confirm that Coach Wooden is a patient at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center. Per the wishes of the Wooden family, UCLA will not comment on his condition.
 
No one from the Wooden Family or UCLA staff is available for interviews regarding Coach Wooden."
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/co ... 59643.aspx


It is interesting to compare how these two situations were reported by the UCLA Newsroom...
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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: June 29, 2010, 04:29:47 PM
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I just noticed something interesting on the UCLA Newsroom site.  I'm not sure what you call it in "internet" language, but it is the title of the link to the page, the part that follows the "www." and describes the link you are going to.

On the UCLA link to the page that has the information about Jermaine making the "statement of death", the link to that page looks like this -

 http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/media-reports-that-michael-jackson-94914.aspx

(This seems like UCLA is saying "the media reports that michael jackson"...  dies?  So UCLA is making even more of a point in this link that the MEDIA is reporting that Michael Jackson... )

And there is this article

"Statement on the death of Michael Jackson at UCLA Medical Center
By UCLA Newsroom June 25, 2009 Category: Campus News, Health Sciences
The family of Michael Jackson made this brief statement available on June 25 at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center:

The legendary King of Pop, Michael Jackson, passed away on Thursday, June 25, 2009, at 2:26 p.m. It is believed he suffered cardiac arrest in his home. However, the cause of his death is unknown until results of the autopsy are known.
 
His personal physician, who was with him at the time, attempted to resuscitate Jackson, as did paramedics who transported him to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center. Upon arriving at the hospital at approximately 1:14 p.m., a team of doctors, including emergency physicians and cardiologists, attempted to resuscitate him for a period of more than one hour but were unsuccessful.
 
Jackson’s family requests that the media respect their privacy during this tragic period of time."

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/me ... 94914.aspx
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COMPARE to the link for this article about the death of Coach John Wooden, UCLA basketball coach.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/john-wooden-dies-84109.aspx

(UCLA is making the statement that John Wooden has died)

And the article:

Coach John Wooden, 1910–2010
By Claudia Luther June 04, 2010

"UCLA's legendary former basketball coach John Wooden, who in 27 years led his teams to stunning triumphs and was just as well known for mentoring his players off the court and for his motivational "Pyramid of Success," died at 6:45 p.m. of natural causes. He was 99. His 100th birthday would have been Oct. 14.
 
Wooden had been admitted to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center on May 26. Funeral services will be private. Per the wishes of the family, there will be a public memorial at a later date, with a reception for former players and coaches."

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/jo ... 84109.aspx
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And this statement from his children

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/statement-from-nan-and-jim-wooden159630.aspx

(The kind of statement that a family would usually make - they are not announcing the death because UCLA has already done that)

"Statement from Nan and Jim Wooden on John Wooden
By UCLA June 04, 2010 Category: Campus News
The following statement was issued by Nan and Jim Wooden on the passing of their father, John Wooden:
 
We want to thank everyone for their love and support for our father. We will miss him more than words can express.
 
He has been, and always will be, the guiding light for our family. The love, guidance and support he has given us will never be forgotten.
 
Our peace of mind at this time is knowing that he has gone to be with our mother, whom he has continued to love and cherish.
 
We wish to express our gratitude for your support and appreciate your respecting our privacy."
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/st ... 59630.aspx
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And this

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/coach-john-wooden-hospitalized159643.aspx

(UCLA confirming that the Coach was hospitalized, but saying that the family wishes for them not to comment on his condition at this time.  Why could there not have been some sort of release of this type when "MJ" was admitted to UCLA?)

"Coach John Wooden hospitalized at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center
By UCLA Newsroom June 03, 2010 Category: Campus News, Health Sciences
UCLA has received numerous media and public inquiries regarding Coach John Wooden, the Bruins' legendary basketball coach from 1948-1975.
 
The campus has been authorized to confirm that Coach Wooden is a patient at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center. Per the wishes of the Wooden family, UCLA will not comment on his condition.
 
No one from the Wooden Family or UCLA staff is available for interviews regarding Coach Wooden."
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/co ... 59643.aspx


It is interesting to compare how these two situations were reported by the UCLA Newsroom...

Very interesting...

But this guy was someone who actually was part of UCLA, so it's maybe different.

Could you find some death announcement of an extern person, like MJ,even better if it's someone from the star system....did any famous person die there before? It's LA so maybe we can find someone else...
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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: June 29, 2010, 04:37:34 PM
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And also, the guy who reported about MJ authopsy.....you know, everything could have been faked, but when I see official people (Fire Departement, coroner officer) making clear declarations, I say to me, this cannot be done....you know, even if we admit that Michael had the favours of lot of people (which I don't believe anyway, I think lot of people didn't like him over there) , this would be like a crime, they cannot make fake statements.....what do you think?

If you refer back to the comment from that one article, that Jermaine was "confirming what was already being reported in the media", it seems that a lot of official people chose their words very carefully when they reported further information about MJ - so they might not necessarily be making fake statements, it might just depend on how their statements are interpreted.  Kind of in the same way that UCLA has never actually confirmed the death of MJ, but so many people assume that he died there, because that is what has been implied. Remember, even Jermaine just "read a statement." Here are two links for the report of the autopsy of MJ.  In the first one notice that the the LA Coroner spokesperson says they have "concluded the autopsy for Mr. Michael Jackson." Wouldn't you say you concluded an autopsy on someone, not for someone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz8cEelC ... re=related

In this second link, which is a continuation of the autopsy reporting, at 3:19 a reporter asks a question about the death certificate, and the answer is very interesting, and at 3:55 a reporter asks about the time of death, and the reporter says "he (MJ) was pronounced dead at the hospital..." and the Coroner spokesperson responds "he was pronounced in the emergency room at the hospital, yes"  ---  Which to me sounds more like they introduced him to everyone in the emergency room at the hospital or something.  Why wouldn't the coroner spokesperson just say he was pronounced dead in the emergency room?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmdrNn3H ... re=related

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Compare the announcement of MJ's autopsy news to this announcement of the autopsy of Anna Nicole Smith - which was also a sudden, unexpected death.  The spokesperson for Anna Nicole's autopsy speaks like he is extremely well informed, he speaks of specific times, he goes into much more detail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFp-Zge9 ... re=related
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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: June 29, 2010, 05:38:58 PM
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And also, the guy who reported about MJ authopsy.....you know, everything could have been faked, but when I see official people (Fire Departement, coroner officer) making clear declarations, I say to me, this cannot be done....you know, even if we admit that Michael had the favours of lot of people (which I don't believe anyway, I think lot of people didn't like him over there) , this would be like a crime, they cannot make fake statements.....what do you think?

I've watched your links, and yes he wasn't VERY clear....but he was direct enough I think anyway.

But about the death announcement, what do you think about the guy (maybe from Firemen) clearly said that MJ had passed away? Do you know the one i'm talking about? If I find the link I'll post it...it's a little guy, short and white hair, just outside MJ's house....could he possibly state a fake death?
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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: June 29, 2010, 11:44:52 PM
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But about the death announcement, what do you think about the guy (maybe from Firemen) clearly said that MJ had passed away? Do you know the one i'm talking about? If I find the link I'll post it...it's a little guy, short and white hair, just outside MJ's house....could he possibly state a fake death?

I think this is the one you are talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bVCnjFY ... r_embedded
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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: June 30, 2010, 03:34:51 AM
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Quote from: "francyna"

But about the death announcement, what do you think about the guy (maybe from Firemen) clearly said that MJ had passed away? Do you know the one i'm talking about? If I find the link I'll post it...it's a little guy, short and white hair, just outside MJ's house....could he possibly state a fake death?

I think this is the one you are talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bVCnjFY ... r_embedded


Yes exactly.
How can this guy, from his position, lie to the entire world, without any sequel or any juridical problems if this si an hoax? This is the biggest question I ask to myself...
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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: July 06, 2010, 04:50:46 PM
As i remember quote from last CNN tribute to Mj on 625 - the spokesperson for 71 Firedepartment CLEARLY SAY " .. to person , who was lately Identify For Us as a Michael Jackson".
You can find link from CNN special tribute interview by Don Lemon wth Jermane there also=) and his HUGE smail, when he sain - Of course, we who is murder -  they know who they are...
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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: July 12, 2010, 04:21:15 PM
I think this is the quote "skyways" is talking about -

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... se.02.html

(note: the correct spelling of his name is Steve Ruda)

"CAPTAIN STEVE RUTA (ph), LOS ANGELES FIRE DEPARTMENT: When they got on scene, it's a large mansion, not too far from here.

LEMON: Captain Steve Ruta (ph) is a spokesman for the L.A. Fire Department.

RUTA: They were directed to the patient, which was upstairs in the home. And they found their patient was Michael Jackson, later identified to us as Michael Jackson, pulseless and not breathing. Pulseless and not breathing means no heartbeat and no breaths."
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Start listening to the video at 5:35 - the tone of Capt. Ruda's voice when he says it, it comes across as more like "they found their patient was, uh, Michael Jackson, later identified TO US as Michael Jackson" (sounds like they did not realize/recognize the patient as Michael Jackson until they were later told that the patient was Michael Jackson). Also at 6:38 when Ruda makes it clear that Dr. Murray took on the responsibility for the patient - so, similar to UCLA's not making an "official announcement" - this almost sounds like the LAFD saying "well, he was identified to us as Michael Jackson, WE didn't say it was Michael Jackson" - and the responsibility for the patient was put on Dr. Murray, not on the LAFD paramedics -

I guess it all depends on if you listen to things like this with believer's ears or not...

[youtube:2b8in96x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p-mrVA2ouM&feature=related[/youtube:2b8in96x]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p-mrVA2 ... re=related
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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: July 12, 2010, 04:37:45 PM
When listening to this, I think about the Soule Shaun-thing, you remember??

I mean... he was identified later to them as Michael Jackson. So yeah, they didn't recognize him.....but even if he didn't wear a wig or whatever...If you see Michaels face, you can recognize that everywhere, right?


So this, again, explains itself, that it wasn't Michael there, lying on the bed...
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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: July 12, 2010, 05:42:59 PM
Here is another interesting article I found, written by Capt. Steve Ruda for a fire-fighting website, mainly about HIPPA regulations and how they had to follow HIPPA guidelines when responding to the "Michael Jackson" call.

This is the part of the article I found interesting, because responsibility is still taken on by Michael Jackson's FAMILY for announcing the death, not UCLA, not the LA Coroner, and that once the FAMILY said he was "dead", well, then, it was okay to let the world know that he was, indeed, the patient that the LAFD had transported to UCLA. In this article the LAFD does not confirm that he is dead - like Jermaine, they are only confirming what has previously been reported.  It seems so strange to me that even in an informative article written for the benefit of other firefighters, the writer goes to such pains to make it clear that the FAMILY announced the death.  He could have said the patient was pronounced dead at UCLA and the family made an announcement.  But he didn't.  He says a member of the Jackson family declared Michael Jackson had died.
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"What started as a routine call quickly gave way to a day filled with speculation and grief around the world. Two captains staff the LAFD Office of Public Information. We also have a firefighter in the dispatch center to handle media relations and press inquiries. The phone began to ring off the hook; media outlets scurried to verify that a medical call came to the LAFD and wanted to know what took place in Michael Jackson’s mansion.

As the commander of the Community Service Unit, I, along with my team, fielded countless phone calls from all over the world as the breaking news hit the television stations. All reporters called with the same questions: “Can you verify that your units responded to Michael Jackson’s house and that CPR was in progress?” “Can you verify that Michael Jackson has died?”

Certainly as health care providers, all of us in the American fire service must obey the confidentiality and medical HIPPA laws that require us not to disclose the names of our patients and the type of care we render. It is a very serious obligation. We, as public information officers (PIOs), were doing our best to explain the LAFD response while being very careful not to cross the lines of privacy. We do this out of respect for the law and for the confidentiality of the patient and his family.

We quickly gathered and discussed just what we were able to say. Our collective comments were that the LAFD responded on a 911 call requesting emergency medical care. We responded with a category assignment that was in accordance with our dispatch policy for this type of medical call. When we arrived on-scene, we began our care of our patient and followed all standard medical protocols with the assistance of a medical base station. Once we provided the care, we transported within four minutes to the treating hospital and transferred the care of our patient to the UCLA. For the most part, our responsibility was complete. The work of UCLA Hospital and its staff had just begun. After trying to revive Michael Jackson for some time, a member of the Jackson family declared that Michael Jackson, the King of Pop, had died.

The family’s declaration of his death allowed the LAFD, when asked, to disclose that indeed Michael Jackson was our patient. However, the care given to him was still confidential, and members of the Public Information Office did not reveal any further information concerning what had transpired while LAFD personnel treated Michael Jackson at the Bel-Air Hills estate."

The entire article is at this link
http://www.fireengineering.com/index/ar ... chael.html
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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: July 12, 2010, 06:10:39 PM
i don't know if anyone can find it so that it can be checked but the interview with the body gaurds when they were telling about all the reading micheal did . i am fairly sure when the host asked what kind of books micheal read most they  said history and law ;)
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: January 09, 2011, 11:16:50 PM
Just looking into UCLA's lack of an official announcement... again...

From these videos it seems obvious that the media EXPECTED an official announcement FROM UCLA...

In this video starting at 4:30 and listening until 5:05- newscaster makes a point to say that LA Times got their confirmation of death from city and law enforcement sources, NOT the hospital, NOT the UCLA Medical Center... LA Times basing this on sources that they "believe to be reputable and accurate."

[youtube:2x4whn77]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8Ef2Fh3NBE&feature=related[/youtube:2x4whn77]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8Ef2Fh3 ... re=related

In this video - newscaster says "this (story) has been developing for some time and we have yet to hear an official from UCLA Medical Center come out and tell us what happened here..."

[youtube:2x4whn77]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqdunwORtpc&feature=related[/youtube:2x4whn77]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqdunwOR ... re=related

At 3:03 "Joining us now on the phone (from UCLA Medical Center) is Brian Oxman..." At 3:40 "What kind of detail are you hearing from doctors?" "I have not spoken to the doctors, I have spoken to the family members but they do not know... at 4:28 "Brian, I have to ask you , can you confirm to us that he is dead?" "No one will confirm anything to me."

At 5:05 "CNN can now confirm from the LA Coroner...

[youtube:2x4whn77]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juhPUj2NMbI[/youtube:2x4whn77]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juhPUj2NMbI
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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: January 09, 2011, 11:30:34 PM
Updating this post with a video link that works (however there is a 28 second intro before the actual footage starts):

Quote from: "pepper"
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... se.02.html

(note: the correct spelling of his name is Steve Ruda)

"CAPTAIN STEVE RUTA (ph), LOS ANGELES FIRE DEPARTMENT: When they got on scene, it's a large mansion, not too far from here.

LEMON: Captain Steve Ruta (ph) is a spokesman for the L.A. Fire Department.

RUTA: They were directed to the patient, which was upstairs in the home. And they found their patient was Michael Jackson, later identified to us as Michael Jackson, pulseless and not breathing. Pulseless and not breathing means no heartbeat and no breaths."
_____________________
Start listening to the video at 5:50 - the tone of Capt. Ruda's voice when he says it, it comes across as more like "they found their patient was, uh, Michael Jackson, later identified TO US as Michael Jackson" (sounds like they did not realize/recognize the patient as Michael Jackson until they were later told that the patient was Michael Jackson). Also at 6:40 when Ruda makes it clear that Dr. Murray took on the responsibility for the patient - so, similar to UCLA's not making an "official announcement" - this almost sounds like the LAFD saying "well, he was identified to us as Michael Jackson, WE didn't say it was Michael Jackson" - and the responsibility for the patient was put on Dr. Murray, not on the LAFD paramedics -

I guess it all depends on if you listen to things like this with believer's ears or not...

[youtube:1ow2yr2w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XuUHATRVjw&feature=related[/youtube:1ow2yr2w]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XuUHATR ... re=related
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Re: UCLA official announcement?

  • on: January 13, 2011, 02:43:46 PM
Dear PEPPER! Thank You SO MUCH FOR SUCH VALUABLE  CONTRIBUTION!
 I think That find along worth 2 be BIG HEADLINE Especially Now  - for our reminding  WHY we all here from the beginning.


quote="pepper"]Updating this post with a video link
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... se.02.html

(note: the correct spelling of his name is Steve Ruda)

"CAPTAIN STEVE RUTA (ph), LOS ANGELES FIRE DEPARTMENT: When they got on scene, it's a large mansion, not too far from here.

LEMON: Captain Steve Ruta (ph) is a spokesman for the L.A. Fire Department.

RUTA: They were directed to the patient, which was upstairs in the home. And they found their patient was Michael Jackson, later identified to us as Michael Jackson, pulseless and not breathing."
_____________________
Start listening to the video at 5:50 - the tone of Capt. Ruda's voice when he says it, it comes across as more like "they found their patient was, uh, Michael Jackson, later identified TO US as Michael Jackson"
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