Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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TIAI Update #5d: DO you Think 4 your Self?
5-9. Statistics and Opportunities of a Coincidence
There were many very positive responses to the hoax numerology and timing, described in Update #4 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7010}; however, as might be expected, there have been a few comments against the numerology. So this section will be a response to the arguments used against the hoax numbers.
First of all: is numerology inherently evil, or is it something that can be used either for good or for evil (like almost everything else that exists)? The occult, the Illuminati, and other evil powers use numerology; but this doesn’t make it evil, anymore than their usage of letters and words makes the alphabet inherently evil. God gave us all a brain, and He expects us to use our intellectual talents to understand why things are good or evil—not just mindlessly label something as evil, without any reason (see Isaiah 1:18; Hebrews 5:11-14; 1 Peter 3:15; etc).
For those who believe the Bible, there is no question that numerology can be used for good. Even the infamous number 666 does not always represent evil (see Ezra 2:13). Furthermore, the 666 number comes from the Bible; and even though the number refers to an evil beast, yet it is the Bible—NOT the beast—that uses numerology here to communicate a message (a message of warning about the beast). “Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.” (Revelation 13:18). The Bible also has a lot of other numerology in it, especially in the books of Revelation and Daniel.
Shortly after Update #4, one thread said that MJ was a star, not a mathematician; therefore this is not a hoax, MJ is dead. But although he’s not a professional mathematician, yet he is a genius; and no doubt he can understand the math, especially since in this case the math is quite simple. The hoax numerology and timing is very complex in the planning, and also the execution. Yet the calculation of it is very simple—on an elementary school level, which many children could do with a pen and paper (or some could even do in their head). And anyone who can operate a simple calculator can easily calculate the hoax math.
Furthermore, somebody had to plan all the numbers and timing—the only question is whether it was planned for a hoax, a murder, or a suicide. These things have been examined in previous updates; but many are still wavering, so we’re going to look at it again with some new details (in 5-10, below).
Another idea was that MJ wouldn’t go to all this trouble planning and executing the numerology and timing, just for the sake of a few hoax believers. However, you could say the same thing about all the other hoax clues. The fact is that Gilda, the numbers, and the other clues are not merely for believers now; they are especially for convincing the general public at the right time, so that they will realize that it was all planned in advance. Then when MJ comes back: it will be very hard to claim that the real MJ is dead, and the bam MJ is just a double.
There was also an objection to the idea that the 911 call was planned for a specific time (12:21 = December 21, 2012); it was claimed that you couldn’t plan it for an exact minute, because the line might be busy. But 911 is not busy very often; and even if it had been busy the first try, there was nearly a whole minute left to hang up and dial again.
This is why the call was placed just a few seconds after 12:21—you wouldn’t want to call one second early, or it would still be 12:20; but you wouldn’t want to wait until 12:21 and 30 seconds either, or that would reduce the time left in the minute (before 12:22) to hang up and keep trying just in case it was busy. So 12:21 and 4 seconds fits very well, with the 911 caller waiting for a second or two after 12:21—and then pushing a 911 speed-dial button {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=254; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Michael_Jackson#cite_ref-ChildsSchlief_14-0}.
Another objection was the usage of 1 + 998 = 999. True, it’s not normal to add the first digit to the last digit(s); however, this same process also works with 1776 (1 + 776 = 777), and even 1221 (1 + 221 = 222).
Also, if this process was the only method to arrive at 999 from 1998, then I agree that it would be going out on a limb. However, this method was only one of many ways to show that 1998 refers to 9-9-09 and the hoax: 1998 / 2 = 999; the Dangerous formula (1998 - 666 = 1332, / 4 = 333, + 666 = 999); 1 + 9 + 9 + 8 = 27, 2 + 7 = 9; 1998 & 999 in the title, “THIS IS IT”; movie poster on 9-9-09; autopsy finalized on 9-9-09; Elvis is alive in “Finding Graceland” film, by Priscilla Presley, in 1998 {http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001636/}; etc.
And speaking of Elvis, there is also numerology and timing with his death date: 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001. This is the name of a film, which had the same music that Elvis used to open his concerts {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_(film); http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Also_sprach_Zarathustra_(Richard_Strauss)}. It is unlikely that this was just chance. However, it’s far more likely for this to happen by chance, than for all the MJ numbers to be an unplanned colossal coincidence.
In fact, in order to better understand whether or not something is likely to happen by chance, let’s take a (relatively) brief look at the statistical odds and opportunities of a coincidence. This may be a little heavy for those who are not fond of math; but if you have trouble following it, ask a math teacher or a friend who is good at math to verify these concepts.
For a relatively simple example: let’s first look at the odds of rolling a pair of dice, and having them both come up with 1 (snake eyes). If you have only one die, there are 6 different possibilities (1,2,3,4,5,6); this means you would have 1 chance in 6 of rolling a 1. But with a pair of dice: you do not have merely 12 chances (6 plus 6), instead you have 36 chances (6 times 6). Please, remember that for more than one thing to happen by coincidence, you must multiply the possibilities (not add them). See the table below, for all 36 possibilities on a pair of dice.
1,1 - 2,1 - 3,1 - 4,1 - 5,1 - 6,1
1,2 - 2,2 - 3,2 - 4,2 - 5,2 - 6,2
1,3 - 2,3 - 3,3 - 4,3 - 5,3 - 6,3
1,4 - 2,4 - 3,4 - 4,4 - 5,4 - 6,4
1,5 - 2,5 - 3,5 - 4,5 - 5,5 - 6,5
1,6 - 2,6 - 3,6 - 4,6 - 5,6 - 6,6
However, we must not forget (as many do) the opportunities of a coincidence. In other words, if you rolled the pair of dice once, it’s possible but not likely that you would get snake eyes on the first roll. But if you increase the opportunities to several hundred (you keep rolling the dice over and over, for hours): then it is almost certain that the 1-chance-in-36 possibility will actually occur strictly by chance.
In the real world, things rarely operate as simple as a pair of dice: with 6 distinctly different outcomes, all sharing equal probability of any particular outcome. Say for example if the dice had lead weights on one side of them, in that case they would tend to land one way up more frequently (on the average) than another way up. Factors such as this are usually involved in real world events, and the result is that it can be very difficult or impossible to calculate the exact statistical odds for a certain event to happen by sheer coincidence. Nevertheless, the exact odds don’t need to be known, in order to determine whether something really did happen by random chance—or by intelligent design.
For a somewhat simple specific example, what are the odds that the 911 call timing was just chance (12:21 and 4 seconds)? The exact second was not important, but it was important to call shortly after the minute (to give more time for redial, if necessary). This means that if the call came in more than 10 seconds after the minute, then maybe the caller was not waiting to call right after the start of the minute. Since there is 60 seconds in a minute, then there is about 1 chance in 6 that the call came in by coincidence during those first 10 seconds.
Far more significant, is the odds that the hour and minute was 12:21, and not some other time. There are 24 hours in a day, and 60 minutes in each hour; this means that there was one chance in 1,440 that the 911 call was placed at 12:21, and not some other time.
Yet we must not forget the opportunities factor. It would be possible for a 911 emergency called to be placed at 12:21 AM (although in that case, it might be published as 00:21); with 2 opportunities, we divide 1,440 in half and now it’s 1 chance in 720. Then we multiply the odds of the seconds, from above: 720 x 6 = 4,320. So even without any of the other MJ “death” numerology timing: just the 911 call alone has only 1 chance in 4,320 that the timing was coincidence, and not planned!
To be honest, though, we must recognize that 12:21 is not the only time of day which could’ve happened by chance—and yet be a significant number related to MJ and his “death”. For example, 11:05 could’ve represented November 5 (V for Vendetta); so this is yet another opportunity for a coincidence.
However, 1,105 is not a multiple of 111 like 1,221 (and the rest of the hoax numerology). Further, although there are interesting parallels in the “V” movie {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thChiBDudSs}—yet the 2012 movie (12-21 2012) is the one with the “Jackson” character, and they thought he was dead (but he was alive), and also it’s the movie with the four more years (from 2009) that MJ mentioned in TII {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aznBAuj4Vw}. Many think the four years would end in 2013; but this is another example of inclusive reckoning, you round up and count part of a year as one year: 2009 (1), 2010 (2), 2011 (3), 2012 (4).
Most other important hoax numbers do not exist on the clock: 7:77, 9:99, 17:76, 19:98. The basic hoax number would be pretty good, 1:11; however, even this is not as good as 12:21. The TII movie length is 111 minutes. You can’t have the film be 1,221 minutes long; so if both the 911 call and the TII film were 111, then one of the most important numbers in the hoax (12-21, end of the world) would be missing. Also, 1:11 (911 call) and 3:16 (death time, 2 hours & 5 minutes later on June 25) would not make 777, like 12:21 and 2:26 {see 4-24, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7124}.
So even though we have a few other opportunities for a nice number by coincidence, 12:21 (and a few seconds) is the ideal time if it was planned. So again, there is 1 chance 4,320 that this 911 call came in at the ideal time by coincidence, and not by plan.
But this is just one of the numerous hoax numbers. To keep this from getting any longer, we’ll skip calculating the rest of the timing numerology, such as: 111 (minutes in TII); 777 in 12:21 (911 call) and 2:26 (death); 777 in memorial (on a full moon); 777 in death and burial (to 9-9-09); 9-9-09 for autopsy finalized, and TII poster (and movie 7 weeks later); 999 in THIS IS IT (vowels); 1998 in HIS (backwards); 1998 on Dangerous cover, and several autographs; etc.
What are the odds that all of these things happened by coincidence, and not by plan? You would need to calculate each one separately (like the 12:21 odds, above); then you would have to multiply each separate answer. The odds are no doubt in trillions or more! To make it even clearer, for those who want to say that this is all coincidence: there is only one chance that they are right, and trillions of chances that they are wrong.
Yes, MJ planned the numerology and timing so thoroughly, that it cannot possibly be refuted. It is bullet-proof. Try it, and see. Challenge a mathematician or statistician to show that this could’ve possibly all been random chance; they can’t do it! In fact, trying to discredit it will only make it more powerful. The beauty of truth is that it can stand up to any and all opposition!
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5-10. Hoax, Accident, Murder, or Suicide?
Speaking of truth: some have questioned why the TIAI information is cold or mechanical, and not very flowery or intimate; and a similar question has been asked, why I don’t respond to PM’s, etc. When the time is right, the reasons for these things will be very clear. Yet to a certain extent, I will attempt to explain (or re-explain) these things now; and then more fully, at the right time.
I already spend a very large amount of time on the redirects and updates, etc. So I really don’t have time left to communicate on other levels, as well (PM, e-mail, etc); sorry, but that’s just the way that it is (at least for now).
If the information comes across as cold: please recognize that it is cold in the sense of being cold-hard evidence, but not coming from a cold or hard heart. In fact, although I have complimented numerous people by name (or username) in this forum and elsewhere: I have never once mentioned any forum member by name in a negative context. At times, I have responded to specific complaints, etc; but in those cases, I have not given any name (or link to the statement that I am responding to). I have done this because I’m not here to hurt anyone’s feelings; I’m only here to defend truth.
Since this website is for MJDH INVESTIGATORS: I do my best to provide cold-hard tangible evidence for the sake of investigation—not for the sake of exhilaration! If investigation leads to truth which makes you happy, that’s great! But consider it as a bonus, and not the ultimate purpose. The ultimate purpose for genuine investigation is to find out the truth—regardless of whether the truth you find makes you happy or sad, etc.
In fact, many non-believers have accused us of thinking that MJ is alive merely because we are in denial, and don’t want to accept that he is dead. But if we are real investigators, then our feelings should not get in the way of our investigation. We should want to know if he is really dead; and if he’s really alive, then we should be able to back it up with cold-hard facts, not mere wishful fantasies.
This is why the information that I provide is, for the most part, cold-hard evidence. In fact, beware of anyone who tries to convince you of anything whatsoever (whether related to MJ or not)—based primarily upon warm fuzzies, and not upon good solid evidence. Personally, I never have and never will try to convince you of anything, without some fairly strong evidence to back it up.
And this is why I have spent a lot of time on the hoax numerology. It may seem cold, dry, and mechanical; but it is tangible evidence, that you can sink your teeth into. It is positively not based upon feelings; and at least for those who understand statistics, it is a category of hard evidence stands head and shoulders above all of the other evidence. As stated in the title of Update #4, it truly is the “Greatest Proof of Hoax, Not Murder”.
One idea expressed against the numerology was that the numbers are not what we should focus on; rather, we should focus on the real good clues like “pains” in the memorial. This person most likely has not spent years in music production. If this was a murder plot: it would be very easy to edit the “s” sound into the audio. We could even do it back in the analogue days, when everything was on tape; but now with computers and digital, it’s a thousand times easier.
The “s” may be evidence that something is strange; but it isn’t the least evidence against murder. And there are many other clues that have been found and discussed, and yet could be from a murder plot, not a hoax plot. This is why I focus mainly on the clues from MJ himself before the “death”, and from the rest of the family; these are the sources for clues that are the most reliable (least likely to be involved with murder).
Much of the numerology and timing came from MJ before the “death”; and even after 6-25-09, the family was involved in the memorial and burial timing (as well as the Liberian Girl pictures, etc).
Next to the numerology, Gilda is the greatest proof of hoax, not murder—because it comes from MJ himself. Being a big fan of old movies: no doubt MJ knew that Mundson/Macready, who faked his death, shared the same birthday with MJ {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilda; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Macready}. Yet this is not nearly as strong as the numerology—because Gilda by coincidence is one chance in thousands (the quantity of Hollywood movies available for MJ to remake, especially old ones); but the numerology timing by chance is one chance in trillions or more.
Quite the opposite of the numerology being useless, it is actually the key which unlocks the rest of the hoax: when, why, how, who, etc. It shows the “when”, with all the times that were planned; and it also shows that it was planned for many years—which rules out the idea that MJ got sick, and all of sudden decided to fake his death, or any other “last-minute” fake death theories (almost died, but was revived at UCLA, etc).
The 12:21 and the 9-9-09 show some of the major “why’s” of the hoax: the end of the world is near (12-21-2012); turn the NWO upside down (666 to 999); and 777 + 999 = 1776 represents the greatest demonstration for freedom (July 4, 1776), as well as exposing the Illuminati (May 1, 1776), etc.
Although the “how” and “who” of the hoax are not as important as the “when” and especially “why”—yet the numerology does give a few clues even in these areas. It shows some of the “how”—such as no MJ double just happened to die at the exact year, day, and hour. It shows that MJ does have some help from government agents: 333 FBI pages released (the Dangerous formula); and on top of that, it was planned for release on the end of the world date: 12-21 (except it got delayed one day by bad weather). This in turn helps to explain some of the legality questions, etc.
The numerology even shows some of the “who”: such as Kenny Ortega, TII director; he would be the one to have the poster come out on 9-9-09, and release the film 7 weeks later, and edit the duration to 111 minutes (and add the bam after the credits, etc). This also explains why Kenny was closely involved with the memorial and burial {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Ortega; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyNOOkPVilg; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU7_8; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=675UewpIJtU}. The family did not think that he was a murderer, even though some had already mentioned murder before the burial.
Last but not least: the numerology shows very powerfully that the MJ “death” was not an accident (homicide), or murder (intentional), or suicide. It couldn’t be an accident, because few if any of the times would’ve happened by chance. Murder is a little more plausible, because it would provide a source for all the timing being planned. However, the huge problem here is that the family was involved in at least some of the timing (like the burial).
Worse yet, MJ is the source of much of the numbers and timing; so if MJ was involved in planning his own murder, it would qualify more as assisted suicide. And again, would the family help him carry out a suicide plan? Would they go along with the Liberian Girl pictures, as well as the hoax numerology timing?
For some strange reason, there are people who must want to believe that MJ is really dead—in spite of all the evidence. Well, even though suicide with the help of the family is totally bizarre: it fits the evidence far better than the accident or murder theory!
So for those who just can’t resist the urge to think that MJ is really dead, here is some excellent advice from jacilovesmichael (redirect for 4-8). “And think of this: even if he did kill himself, there’s no way it was an accident. I would never believe in that theory. But either way, he has exposed the lies in the media and the corruption in our world. And either way, everything was planned. Dead or alive, I’ve been awakened by what ever happened or didn’t happen on June 25th.”
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5-11. Operation: “Think 4 your Self”
Several people have said (here on MJDHI, and elsewhere) that they don’t accept TIAI, or the hoax in general, etc—because they can think for themselves! Well, almost anyone can think for themselves (other than maybe a few in the Special Olympics, LOL—no disrespect intended, they are precious). But the title to Update #5 here is not, “CAN you Think 4 your Self?”—instead, the title is: “DO you Think 4 your Self?”
One person even said on the TMZ comments, that they were sure MJ was a paedophile because: “I can think for myself!” But if someone merely says that they can think, is this any proof that they actually do—and/or that their conclusions are accurate? Don’t you think it would be much more convincing: if they stopped wasting time claiming that they can think, and started demonstrating their ability?? So here is an opportunity for them to actually show the ability to think. I call it the “Think 4 your Self” quiz.
NOTE: M, S, & F questions are primarily for non-believers (or those who are wavering); the rest of the questions are for believers, especially those who don’t know about or don’t agree with the TIAI reasons for the hoax.
Michael:
M1. After watching MJ videos including Thriller and Ghosts: is there any reason why MJ would not have thought to do a real life Thriller—especially since he was married to LMP, and the Elvis hoax death theory is very well known?
M2. If MJ did plan a hoax death, is there any time that would fit better with a full moon (Thriller) and 777 than: 6-25-09 death (77 days to 9-9-09), 7-7-09 memorial (full moon & 7 years from will), 9-3-09 burial (7 days to 9-9-09, & almost full moon), and all the other numerology?
M3. Being a big fan of old movies, and also choosing to remake Gilda in TII: it’s not possible that MJ was unaware of Mundson/Macready faking his death in Gilda (and also sharing MJ’s birthday). So if MJ was not planning on faking his death: would he be so cruel as to include Gilda in TII, and make his fans think he was planning a hoax death when in reality he was not?
Statistics:
S1. Even if MJ was unaware of the hoax death in Gilda: what are the chances that he accidentally did a remake of a fake death by an actor sharing his own birthday?
S2. What are the odds that all the hoax numerology and timing is merely coincidence (and show your calculations, not just your answer)?
S3. Things which occur randomly, and are not planned, will happen more than once. So can you give at least one example of a similar death timing, that happened by chance—where the timing repeatedly fit with specific three-digit and/or four-digit numbers (not single-digit numbers), numbers that were emphasized by that same person before the death (hint: neither Elvis nor 2pac come anywhere close)?
Family:
F1. From the death to the burial more than two months later, why did we never see a single tear shed from a single family member (not even Paris, in her touching speech at the memorial)? And why did the children looked bored at the memorial? And why did the adults all wear dark glasses (so that we could not see the tears, or not see the lack of tears)?
F2. Are we to believe that MJ’s own family is ignorant of his role in the Liberian Girl video? And if not, then why did they allow Liberian Girl pictures to dominate both the memorial and the burial? Would they be so cruel, as to send fans the message that he is hiding behind the camera and running The Show—if in reality MJ was actually dead???
F3. Why was the burial delayed for a world-record longest time? And why did the family schedule it for 9-3-09: unless it had to do with the 7 days to 9-9-09, and the full moon (on 9-4-09)?
EOW:
E1. If the numerology and timing is not a coincidence (see M2 & S2): then why was the 911 call placed immediately at 12:21, unless it was to show that one of the main reasons for the hoax is to warn about the end of the world (that it’s near—even if it’s not at the end of the Mayan calendar, 2012)?
E2. Why did MJ specifically mention four more years in TII, unless he was referring to 2012 (and also the Sony movie with “Jackson” in it, etc)?
E3. MJ reads the Bible daily; and according to it, there will be an end to this world—and that end will come prior to the “new earth” (see Revelation 21:1; etc). The memorial program actually mentioned that MJ looks forward to the new earth. With these things in mind, how is it possible that the end of the world is not part of MJ’s message?
NWO:
N1. Also in the Bible, a one-world government/religion is prophesied to rise near the end of the world (see Revelation 17; etc). So if MJ’s message includes warning about the end of the world, how is it possible that his message does not also include a warning about the New World Order?
N2. If MJ does not believe in conspiracies from secret societies and our own governments: then why did he say that the grassy knoll is “truth” (Tabloid Junkie), and who does “they” refer to in TDRCAU (with the pyramid and eye, etc)?
N3. Who is behind the “conspiracy” that MJ was talking about, when he mentioned that our history books have been changed?
Bam:
B1. If MJ never does bam: how is he going to succeed in getting the main messages (EOW, NWO, etc) to the billions in the world?
B2. If you accept the clues which show that MJ is alive: then why don’t you accept that the very same clues (in many cases) also show that he will be back (bam)?
B3. TIAI says that there will be a bamsday, the only question is when. So is this reliable (if you say no, then please answer T1, T2, & T3, next)?
TIAI:
T1. How did TS end up with the http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com domain? If you say it was just a coincidence, then what are the odds (how many other MJ fans are there, including non-believers, who could’ve bought that domain after the Huffington Post article came out)?
T2. If TS is merely a hoax investigator, without any special source for hoax information: then why for nearly a year now did nobody else figure out the seven layers in “THIS IS IT” (as well as most of the other numerology and timing—777, 999, 1776, 1998, etc)?
T3. Can you explain all 18 in 5-12, below? And if you say that they are all coincidences: then can you demonstrate that you understand how to calculate the statistics, and show your calculations for the odds of all 18 by chance (like I did above, with 12:21:04 for the 911 call)?
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5-12. Will You Be There?
Because there are many new believers reading these updates—and also to help verify even further that TS does understand MJ’s message correctly, and the main reasons for the hoax: it’s time to review again the TIAI & STUDY predictions, etc. So here is the last list (from Update #3, on February 7); with a few newer items added (#15 to #18).
#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced Update #1.
#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
#7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
#10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09,
fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
#12. ALLJACK5ONS tweet on 1-18 about TIAI “Revealed” (also the 3-11 tweet).
#13. TMZ clue on January 25.
#14. TMZ, Murray, and murder versus hoax clue on February 5.
#15. High probability of “piece by piece” return starting in January (see #12, etc).
#16. Autopsy finalized 9-9-09, released just one day after I said “9-9-09 update”.
#17. TIAI redirect to TMZ, less than an hour before the big MJ Killed Himself post.
#18. Update #4 (4-44), #17 article posted on 4-4 at 4:00 AM (444).
In addition to these things, have I ever stated anything that was incorrect (for the resurrection, return, and hoax revealed predictions: see 5-5, above)? Notice that I never said Conrad Murray was merely a computer generated image (which many said early in the hoax); now we know that he is a real, 3-D person—not just a 2-D computer-generated image.
Actually, there are many other wrong theories out there; but I won’t go into them now. I have already gone into great lengths on the most important aspects: the main reasons for the hoax, and the strongest evidences that this is a hoax (not accident, murder, or suicide).
We are now coming up on the third time, when there is a good opportunity for a bam (Halloween and January in the past, now maybe June or July). Like the other times, one main factor (though not the only factor) is how prepared we are for the stampede after bamsday. There are still many hoax believers on MJDHI and other forums, who don’t read the updates and/or don’t think that NWO & EOW is MJ’s message. If we keep waiting for them to inform themselves, they probably never will. But those who do read these updates can help, if you want to: will you be there? If so, read on.
You can help both before and after bamsday. This applies to all forums out there, not just MJDHI. It probably won’t help to just ask others to read the updates; many will not, because they are long and/or other reasons. But you can be familiar with the updates; and then you can be ready with the right questions and/or answers, whenever something related is discussed in any thread.
For example: if someone says “I think MJ is alive, but I don’t think he will ever come back” (and this is stated frequently)—you can respond with the evidence in 5-4, and/or the Bam questions (B1, B2, B3) in 5-11. And the same for any other subject that comes up, related to the TIAI information. If someone says that they don’t believe in the end of the world (or the Mayan calendar theory); you can reply with questions E1, E2, and E3.
You can also kindly remind them that the issue is what MJ believes, and his message; others are free to have their own beliefs, but the hoax forums are about MJ and his reasons for the hoax. And please do not get into unkind arguments with anyone; remember, it’s all for L.O.V.E. Preparing for bamsday means understanding the message, helping others to understand it, and most of all: living the L.O.V.E. yourself!
When you reply with information from TIAI: you can copy and paste the relative parts, or you can put it in your own words, if needed. Either way, you don’t need to say that the credit goes to TS or TIAI. I know who I am, and I don’t need the credit—I just want the truth to prevail!
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You can help both before and after bamsday. This applies to all forums out there, not just MJDHI. It probably won’t help to just ask others to read the updates; many will not, because they are long and/or other reasons. But you can be familiar with the updates; and then you can be ready with the right questions and/or answers, whenever something related is discussed in any thread.
For example: if someone says “I think MJ is alive, but I don’t think he will ever come back” (and this is stated frequently)—you can respond with the evidence in 5-4, and/or the Bam questions (B1, B2, B3) in 5-11. And the same for any other subject that comes up, related to the TIAI information. If someone says that they don’t believe in the end of the world (or the Mayan calendar theory); you can reply with questions E1, E2, and E3.
You can also kindly remind them that the issue is what MJ believes, and his message; others are free to have their own beliefs, but the hoax forums are about MJ and his reasons for the hoax. And please do not get into unkind arguments with anyone; remember, it’s all for L.O.V.E. Preparing for bamsday means understanding the message, helping others to understand it, and most of all: living the L.O.V.E. yourself!
When you reply with information from TIAI: you can copy and paste the relative parts, or you can put it in your own words, if needed. Either way, you don’t need to say that the credit goes to TS or TIAI. I know who I am, and I don’t need the credit—I just want the truth to prevail!
(http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1185/michaeljackson1374.gif) (http://img85.imageshack.us/i/michaeljackson1374.gif/)
Thank you once more TS. I 'll read now all your informations!
L.O.V.E. for you!!! :P
I BELIEVE the best is yet to come! SOONEST!!! :!: :idea:
THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL!
L.O.V.E. FOR ALL BELIEVERS! :mrgreen:
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Thank you very much TS, I've been looking forward to your update!
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Thank you TS (: I know idk you but I love you lol. You have made it easier for us (: it's all for love L.O.V.E. <3
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Thank so much again TS for helping us to understand Michael's message and see the way through the complex planning in this. Couldn't have done it without you.
I will do my best to be there before and after.
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Geez, thank you TS !!!
It's almost dawning here, but I had to read it all ! ;)
You made my day :)
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Shortly after Update #4, one thread said that MJ was a star, not a mathematician; therefore this is not a hoax, MJ is dead. But although he’s not a professional mathematician, yet he is a genius; and no doubt he can understand the math, especially since in this case the math is quite simple.
Then when MJ comes back: it will be very hard to claim that the real MJ is dead, and the bam MJ is just a double.
If the information comes across as cold: please recognize that it is cold in the sense of being cold-hard evidence, but not coming from a cold or hard heart.
blah, no dramas! you are not cold!:)
For some strange reason, there are people who must want to believe that MJ is really dead—in spite of all the evidence. Well, even though suicide with the help of the family is totally bizarre: it fits the evidence far better than the accident or murder theory!
yes,... Same Thought ... :?
But the title to Update #5 here is not, “CAN you Think 4 your Self?”—instead, the title is: “DO you Think 4 your Self?”
You don't have idea how it made my day! Thank you VERY much!
The memorial program actually mentioned that MJ looks forward to the new earth. With these things in mind, how is it possible that the end of the world is not part of MJ’s message?
(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Michael+memorial+service+program+OALY3Zs6_Aql.jpg)
N2.If MJ does not believe in conspiracies from secret societies and our own governments: then why did he say that the grassy knoll is “truth” (Tabloid Junkie), and who does “they” refer to in TDRCAU (with the pyramid and eye, etc)?
N3. Who is behind the “conspiracy” that MJ was talking about, when he mentioned that our history books have been changed?
:arrow: remember, it’s all for L.O.V.E. Preparing for bamsday means understanding the message, helping others to understand it, and most of all: living the L.O.V.E. yourself!
Thank you, TS!
and whenever you need me, just call my name .... I'll be there
[quote my signature] ;)
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Thanks friend. Standing at attention in this Army Of Love awaiting Michaels return. I love you MJ. Come home soon. ;)
a dedicated Oklahoma fan.
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Thanks TS. I will be there
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Thank you so much, TS. I wonder, should we try to do this with non-believers? Because they are just so hard to speak to about anything hoax-related.. I hope and pray that June or July will bring a Bam! I will be therE! (If I'm not it's only because something is keeping me from it, LOL!)
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It's great that Souza and Mo are preparing now with putting the introduction to the hoax pages together for the new people waking up. Love and respect you guys for all you do and put up with.
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It's great that Souza and Mo are preparing now with putting the introduction to the hoax pages together for the new people waking up. Love and respect you guys for all you do and put up with.
Wow, you read my mind, I was gonna add that!
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Thank You So Much TS!
I've been posting your updates in different sites and I always get told "You and all the believers are just in denial--let the man rest in peace!" It really bothers me so much but now with this update I will be able to question them instead of them questioning me! :D I will also add these updates to my website it's not totally about the Hoax but I will make room for it ;)
Once again THANK YOU and much LOVE to you! :)
I WILL BE THERE! that's a promise
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Thanks a LOT T.S., this is the best Good Morning I had in months! Time to get my ass to work again! :D
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Thank you for ALL the updates, TS! :D
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We are now coming up on the third time, when there is a good opportunity for a bam (Halloween and January in the past, now maybe June or July).
three times a charm?
i'm hopeful!
and i will be there. i've tried to tell people, they're scared of the reality. it's understandable, i mean, it scares the hell out of me too :oops:
but, i think if we can get the idea in their heads, human curiosity takes over. and BAM. i've been saying it all along. michael has to to come back to officially get the message out. it's the only way this will really work. knowledge is power people.
TS, BRAVO. BRAVO. BRAVO. people need to READ these updates. i mean, read it. like 5 times over. i'll be honest, math + me = unnatural. but i see the effort, i read it and try to get it. michael is a genius. and you TS, you're a good teacher.
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Thank you, TS!!!
What a great beginning of my day :)
L.O.V.E.
Thank you Michael! Thank you TS! Thank you guys! This is the most incredible adventure! I’ve never learnt so much in my life. And I study almost my whole life ( now I’m going to finish my second MA and I’m working on my PhD). Though, the best university is this hoax. I’m mesmerized by Michael’s genius. However without TIAI/TS redirections and updates it would be much more difficult to understand Michael’s masterly plan and reasons for the hoax.
I believe that unexpected happens soon, everybody will see the illusion, and the world will make that change.
L.O.V.E u
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Wow.......
Thank you TS....a lot!! :!:
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TIAI Update #5d: DO you Think 4 your Self?
B1. If MJ never does bam: how is he going to succeed in getting the main messages (EOW, NWO, etc) to the billions in the world?
B2. If you accept the clues which show that MJ is alive: then why don’t you accept that the very same clues (in many cases) also show that he will be back (bam)?
Either way, you don’t need to say that the credit goes to TS or TIAI. I know who I am, and I don’t need the credit—I just want the truth to prevail![/quote]
In reference to questions B1 and B2: That's exactly what I've been telling people who do not believe in a comeback. MJ's return will AWAKEN the world.
And I just love the last bolded bit. I can never thank you enough, TS.
your posts always brighten my day.
I'm awakened and waiting.
with L.O.V.E
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yeeeeeeeees... i have been waiting soo long!! :D
thank you TS ! :)
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thank you so much for all of your updates
and I love math, but not just numbers, but the fact that this is the way to describe the world at so many different levels
one piece of conversation with one of my favorite thinkers on math:
- Does God know math?
- No, He does not. God is math.
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ty for the revision
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thanks TS for conveying Michael's messages and beliefs, and teaching us to be kind. I promise I'll do my best to be prepared for before & after BAM. Much L.O.V.E. <3
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Thank you so much TS, this has made things much clearer for me, the "maths" has never been my thing :oops: but I do understand sufficiently to make it clear to me.
Before I joined the original MJHD I had always believed from my own research that 2012/NWO and Illuminatti was the message, but its quite a big pill to swollow initially for some people. For MJ to do this just has to be for the greater good of humanity, there is no other reason IMO.
I will try my best to help when the time comes, I WILL BE THERE.
Thanks TS so much.
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Section 5-11 Operation: "Think 4 your Self" and section 5-12 Will You Be There?, please share with others.
Playlist URL: http://tinyurl.com/37sx2r5 (http://tinyurl.com/37sx2r5)
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[youtube:24gso24y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGIpC3IgBdM[/youtube:24gso24y]
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Thanks heaps TS, Roger that's a big ten four on your request & I will be there. A proud member of MJ's army, spreading his message of L.O.V.E eagerly awaiting his return. :D
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Taken from: http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/my-response-to-update-5d/
WARNING THIS IS LONG! :-)
Guys, I CAN’T SLEEP!!!
My mind is spinning and I feel like I have been vacuumed up and allowed to see a glimpse of a bigger picture.
I pray I can verbalize this.
First I want to thank TS, TIAI, thisisalsoit.com, and whoever else for giving me a lesson and teaching me to live in such a way that I will never ever be able to repay. From the bottom of my heart, I love you and I thank you!
Firstly, regarding the hoax. If I go back to when I first was made aware of the possibility of a hoax, there were some foundational questions, doubts, objections I had that needed answers. Well I have wrestled with evidence over the past 10 month that have allowed me to objectively find answers to those questions and has convicted me of the hoax. Well there are many that are just coming into this now and have not had the benefit of 10 months of hell… I mean research. :lol:
Guys, we all received the message from Souza asking us to answer these foundational questions http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9863#p165808 WE NEED TO MAKE THIS A PRIORITY. Why? Well how does a teacher know that we have an understanding of the schoolwork? They give a test! Well we have been exposed to things that have us believing in a hoax death. This is our way to be sure we understand the why and are ready to state why we believe what we believe.
Furthermore, there are still differing views within the hoax boards. We are not unified in our beliefs. If we have differences in beliefs in certain question, we can work through it to get to the bottom of things and eliminate errors through discussion… not fighting! We can sift through all these evidences together! Like gold diggers sifting through sand to find gold nuggets, we can weed out the errors to find the truth.
Once we, the believers, understand how to respond to these questions, and find what is really the truth, we will be unified in our beliefs. If we work through these questions together, and help each other in our understanding, the truth will come out in a way that we can all unify behind. Also as we work to get our foundational beliefs down, this will help any newcomers to understand what we do.
I believe once we get our responses down to these questions and show that we have understanding and that we are prepared to give an answer… then I believe MJ will be ready to return.
Also, as for non-believers, we can’t force them to believe what we do. However, we can present facts, love on them, and allow them to see clearly the truth or error in their thinking.
That’s why the answers HAVE to be based on evidence… not feelings… not what we want to believe… but cold hard facts. Once we have a concise list of our evidence for the hoax, the hoax will be indisputable and the message will spread like wildfire to the world… not only will the believers unite, I believe some non-believers will unite, the Army of L.O.V.E. will unite, and the end will come.
NOW…..
ARE YOU READY…..
THE PARALLEL….
This hoax has paralleled my life and my spiritual walk and I am a stronger believer in God because of the studying I have had to do to convict myself in MJ being alive and in the hoax. I have to admit… as much as I didn’t want to make Michael a god in my life… I believe I did to a certain extent. I studied and knew more about Michael and his life than I did about my Bible and my God. :oops:
However, I was made aware of this very early on in the hoax. I have fully believed that Michael used his God given gift of his fans as an opportunity to spread the message of the Bible to the world. I believe Michael is truly a messenger of God living out a purpose far beyond a mere hoax death.
I personally have learned to study my Bible and convict myself of my own beliefs as a Christian and I no longer sit on the fence in my beliefs. 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
But beyond that, there are many differing views of God, religion, etc. and I have had to question myself on common objections to God and make sure I understood principles and concept of what I believe.
1 Peter 3:15 Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect.
This my friends is a work in progress and will continue for the rest of my life.
We are in a time like none other! I have had the ability to discuss both the hoax and God and my beliefs with people all over the world via the internet, Twitter, MySpace, etc. The gospel is has the ability to be spread worldwide and touch every inch of the earth. We have the amazing opportunity to discuss IN L.O.V.E. with people from all over the world, our differences and to genuinely IN L.O.V.E. sift through the belief sets to find the truth… TOGETHER.
In Matthew 24:14 it says “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”
The end will come.
NEVER IN MY LIFE HAVE I FELT SO HUMBLED TO BE A PART OF SOMETHING SO…. God-ordained.
Well I better end now as this is really really long… but I love you all and I am so proud to be on this journey with you.
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Thank you so much, for all your updates TS.
You really make things easier for us. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I think that MJ wants to warn us about the anti-christ "Maitreya". The NWO is trying to create the New World Religion with this New Age Movement and through this new religion they are "trying" to contol the humanity. Maybe this can be one of MJ's message.
Sorry for my bad english and thx again.
Love to you all
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thank you T.S for the update.. :D
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God gave us all a brain, and He expects us to use our intellectual talents to understand...
My favorite quote, this is exactly what came into my mind when I read last update, I always like to say that to people who don't think for themselves and prefer to blindly follow the crowd.
Thank you TS for this brilliant update. Thank you Michael for what you're doing. God bless you.
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I'll try to talk to non-believers again and open up their eyes again, but they are blind as well as being rude also :roll:
Michael says: love those who don't love you, well in this case are the non-believers that don't love the believers :(
I will do my best because It's all for L.O.V.E. and because I'll be there :D
Thank you TS and God bless you :P
Michael I love you ;)
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TS I don't know who you are but this update is really brilliant and I MEAN IT.
I totally agree with you and thank you for this great job.
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Thank you TS for this particular post. You are not cold. The information imparted is just dispassionate as is asked for on many a site in many a thread (facts and proofs). For the waverers and disbelievers: you are here, reading this very post because you want to believe. You have what you need to make that leap. If this does not convince you, then nothing will, not even MJ returning and telling you. My awakening came 2 months late but remains unwavering. I will be there. One love.
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Thank you so much TS!!
I'm sure... everybody of us needed your words and your explenations to understand at the best which way to run... THANK YOU!
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Since this website is for MJDH INVESTIGATORS: I do my best to provide cold-hard tangible evidence for the sake of investigation—not for the sake of exhilaration! If investigation leads to truth which makes you happy, that’s great! But consider it as a bonus, and not the ultimate purpose. The ultimate purpose for genuine investigation is to find out the truth—regardless of whether the truth you find makes you happy or sad, etc.
In fact, many non-believers have accused us of thinking that MJ is alive merely because we are in denial, and don’t want to accept that he is dead. But if we are real investigators, then our feelings should not get in the way of our investigation. We should want to know if he is really dead; and if he’s really alive, then we should be able to back it up with cold-hard facts, not mere wishful fantasies.
This is why the information that I provide is, for the most part, cold-hard evidence. In fact, beware of anyone who tries to convince you of anything whatsoever (whether related to MJ or not)—based primarily upon warm fuzzies, and not upon good solid evidence. Personally, I never have and never will try to convince you of anything, without some fairly strong evidence to back it up.
I wholeheartedly agree with the above, this is what's needed in an INVESTIGATION. Thanks for providing 'clear and clean' evidence.
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DO you Think 4 your Self?
You can also kindly remind them that the issue is what MJ believes, and his message; others are free to have their own beliefs, but the hoax forums are about MJ and his reasons for the hoax.
And please do not get into unkind arguments with anyone; remember, it’s all for L.O.V.E.
Preparing for bamsday means understanding the message, helping others to understand it, and most of all: living the L.O.V.E. yourself!
That's it - the quintessence... Thank you!!
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Thank you once more TS. I never thought that your posts are cold, I don't know why and how people could think that. I sent several PMs to you but never expected an answer from you. People need to stop thinking for themselves only, they need to stop being selfish. Stop being selfish and start thinking for others and this world is going to be the best for all of us.
Thanks to the information you have been giving to us, I tought many many people about the truths of this hoax. You helped us a lot. But if I need to talk about most of the non-believers, they make me go crazy BECAUSE it doesn't matter what evidence you give them. I try so hard to tell them about the numerology of the hoax and show them all evidences but all they say is "Numerology doesn't work for me". What else can you do for that person who denies everything? I start to hit my head to walls when they say this or when they say "You're very disrespectful. Let the man rest in peace. He's gone and let him go." kind of things. I think the vice versa about them. We're the ones who have been investigating this hoax for 10 months. Personally I haven't even slept well for the last 11 months, and I spent most of my time with the hoax. They ignore and underestimate all the work we have done. They still think that they know everything about Michael. They don't have any respect to us or to Michael. I ask them how thousands of people keep on believing in the hoax after 11 months if there was no clue. They keep on saying the same old things like we're delusional, crazy etc. I'm so mad at them because it hurts me to see how ready they were to bury Michael. They didn't even ask any questions like how it happened or why it happened. They only believed what they saw and heard. They just buried Michael alive! They think that they are investigating by talking to Karen Faye or reading Randy's tweets or by following Brian Oxman's FB page. Most of them are so narrow minded and like you wrote in your update 4, many of them will think he's just an impersonator after Michael comes back. They don't even believe their own eyes which is so sad.
After the Dave Dave And Michael is alive news, many people wanted to learn about the hoax. So, I do my best, I show all evidences which most of them were given by you and some that I found myself, I explain everything and the ones who have brain (I don't want to be rude but how hard it can be for someone to understand it after reading your updates and me explaining them everything?) gets the main idea and starts to believe; and the ones who will never ever change and prefer to stay in the dark side and close their eyes and brains to the truths, walks away with a denial again. I'm not going to try to convince noone and I never did. I never wanted to have an argument with another MJ fan because we love the same man and with our different opinions we're the MJ family.
And the believers who still don't believe in the numerology of the hoax, I don't believe that they read your updates carefully. They say that they do but if they're clever enough to find this hoax, they're clever enough to understand the numerology part of the hoax. It's just they start to read it and they get bored with it and they say it doesn't work for them which is an easier way for them being in a denial of TS' validity.
The numerology even shows some of the “who”: such as Kenny Ortega, TII director; he would be the one to have the poster come out on 9-9-09, and release the film 7 weeks later, and edit the duration to 111 minutes (and add the bam after the credits, etc). This also explains why Kenny was closely involved with the memorial and burial. The family did not think that he was a murderer, even though some had already mentioned murder before the burial.
Do we forget about Randy Jackson's tweet: "Sitting in court & I'm sad. Those profiting most from my bro’s death: AEG, Randy Phillips, Kenny Ortega, Estate Executors r nowhere in sight 6:17 PM Feb 8th via web"
I don't know what Randy's role exactly in the whole hoax BUT he's the only one who talks against the hoax and I have to admit that he ruins our effort while we try to convince non-believer fans. And I always have questions in my mind about this. If Michael wants non-believers to learn about the hoax, why doesn't he tell Randy to keep his mouth closed, as well as to Brian Oxman, Karen Faye and some others? I know that this is his show, his real life time Thriller and the film needs drama too but if he wants non-believers to be convinced by us, he should tell this to Randy and others. Randy's tweets are not very nice and not on our side. He's not helping us with tweets like these:
"Quick note, TMZ caught me off guard as I was leaving a meeting. I never called them & I'm not their inside source. That will b revealed soon 6:22 PM Mar 4th via web "
"A private issue, handled internally. The 1 in the house that calld TMZ&DCFS is on a mission 2 exploit us & separate the kids 4 her evil gain 6:29 PM Mar 4th via web" "Almost been a year now since I lost my big brother… The best I can do now is to protect his legacy & reputation 9:28 PM May 16th via web"
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TS A thousand thanks, as always your redirects are a good deal of optimism. :lol:
As for the People who talk about coincidence, I think it is a resource widely Used For Those Who CAN NOT Find Consistency in Certain Situations That seems to LACK it, the more we learn are less chances.
If you read about the origin of the numbers we see That the Hindus of Pythagoras Who Received the Knowledge, Regarded as a sacred science. Pythagoras said, "The world is built on the power of numbers."
And if I'm going to talk about the message of Michael, and be kind AND NOT Argue with Anyone, :oops: it's all about LOVE ;) :lol:
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The memorial program actually mentioned that MJ looks forward to the new earth. With these things in mind, how is it possible that the end of the world is not part of MJ’s message.
(http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae337/cjcntx/MichaelMemorialProgram.jpg)
Thank you MJALIVE999 for posting this image from the Memorial program. I think Rebbie has given us something important to consider.
"I love you so much and I look forward to the time when I will see you again on Earth" John 5:28-29
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice
John 5:29 And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, And they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
(Is this bible quote Rebbie's way of telling us of Michael's return? (Resurrection)
Rebbie also says "...I look forward to life without end at last" Psalms 37:29
Psalms 37:29 The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever.
TS used the words "...MJ looks forward to the new Earth." While we are being told that this is the End of the World, I feel like it will just be the end of the world as we know it. The "new Earth" is the paradigm shift we will bring about because of Michael's message. The "new Earth" is the Golden Age (Age Of Aquarius)
Michael said "I do this for the awareness, awakening, and Hope"
We have to wake up and be aware of the problems (evil) BUT not fear. Michael is sending out Major Love to give us HOPE! The movie V For Vendetta clearly demonstrated that when you conquer your fears you are FREE. Please remember LOVE/GOOD will always conquer FEAR/EVIL.
Michael also said "This is it, here I stand, I'm the Light of the World, I feel grand." In Spirituality Light=Knowledge/Truth.
Michael also said "The truth will prevail." His message is L.O.V.E. (Law Of Vibrational Energy?) Everything is made of energy and vibrates. Even thoughts and emotions are made of energy. Love has the highest vibration of all! LOVE not Fear is the answer. Everyone has free will to chose.
So LightMan (MJ) is being revealed to us piece by piece by piece. MJ wasn't kidding when he said "This Is It!" and "The best is yet to come, I promise"
On 7/6/09 Kenny Ortega tweeted & used the word bio-luminescence to describe MJ. BIO-LUMINESCENCE-Emission of light by a living organism. Hybrid word originating from the Greek bios for "living" and the Latin lumen "light". So Kenny was describing Michael as the LIVING LIGHT.
Blessed to have been,
Touched By An Angel
http://twitter.com/TouchedByAngelM (http://twitter.com/TouchedByAngelM)
(http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae337/cjcntx/Michael_Angel.jpg)
Paradigm Shift is a change from one way of thinking to another. It's a revolution, a transformation. It is driven by agents of change... US! Make That Change!
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The memorial program actually mentioned that MJ looks forward to the new earth. With these things in mind, how is it possible that the end of the world is not part of MJ’s message.
(http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae337/cjcntx/MichaelMemorialProgram.jpg)
Thank you MJALIVE999 for posting this image from the Memorial program. I think Rebbie has given us something important to consider.
"I love you so much and I look forward to the time when I will see you again on Earth" John 5:28-29
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice
John 5:29 And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, And they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
(Is this bible quote Rebbie's way of telling us of Michael's return? (Resurrection)
Rebbie also says "...I look forward to life without end at last" Psalms 37:29
Psalms 37:29 The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever.
TS used the words "...MJ looks forward to the new Earth." While we are being told that this is the End of the World, I feel like it will just be the end of the world as we know it. The "new Earth" is the paradigm shift we will bring about because of Michael's message. The "new Earth" is the Golden Age (Age Of Aquarius)
Michael said "I do this for the awareness, awakening, and Hope"
We have to wake up and be aware of the problems (evil) BUT not fear. Michael is sending out Major Love to give us HOPE! The movie V For Vendetta clearly demonstrated that when you conquer your fears you are FREE. Please remember LOVE/GOOD will always conquer FEAR/EVIL.
Michael also said "This is it, here I stand, I'm the Light of the World, I feel grand." In Spirituality Light=Knowledge/Truth.
Michael also said "The truth will prevail." His message is L.O.V.E. (Law Of Vibrational Energy?) Everything is made of energy and vibrates. Even thoughts and emotions are made of energy. Love has the highest vibration of all! LOVE not Fear is the answer. Everyone has free will to chose.
So LightMan (MJ) is being revealed to us piece by piece by piece. MJ wasn't kidding when he said "This Is It!" and "The best is yet to come, I promise"
On 7/6/09 Kenny Ortega tweeted & used the word bio-luminescence to describe MJ. BIO-LUMINESCENCE-Emission of light by a living organism. Hybrid word originating from the Greek bios for "living" and the Latin lumen "light". So Kenny was describing Michael as the LIVING LIGHT.
Blessed to have been,
Touched By An Angel
(http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae337/cjcntx/Michael_Angel.jpg)
Paradigm Shift is a change from one way of thinking to another. It's a revolution, a transformation. It is driven by agents of change... US! Make That Change!
Thank you TS for your wise, warm not cold, words to help us understand. You seem compassionate as well as possessing a lawyer/journalist ability in presenting material to us! I love your post, TouchedByAnAngel. I don't feel most people are quite ready to take this hoax to the next and ultimate "level". People toy around with the subject are afraid to come out with it, for fear of offending, but it's right in our faces. However I believe in God's timing all will be revealed and all people's hearts will be prepared. It's obvious to me that we were not intended to know too much, but only tiny morsels at a time, and not move on until those ideas were thoroughly digested. MJ has a time-table, and God has a time-table. About telling everyone,
I've tried, but everyone around me thinks MJ's dead, period, and I'm crazy, even if I give good reasons for it being a hoax. I do think that the more internet and news coverage will affect people's thinking on MJ's status. About the "Spiritual" connection with MJ, hearts and minds have to be prepared like good soil, otherwise there's no germination. MJ is "The Thriller"! My heart "thrills" to be alive and witness to all of this. I'm blown away and don't have the words to express. I so look forward to your next updates.
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@ TS
First off I'd like to thank you for making this post. Things certainly are getting clearer everyday.
I just wanted to make a response to your reference to "that" person who pointed out taht we should focus on PAINS rather than on numerology. Well, "taht" person is me and yes, I havent spent years in the music industry...primarily because I am only 19 years old....and I am a medical student. So I really am not familiar with the nitty-gritties of song making. :|
PAINS was upheld as a major clue in the initial days of the hoax...and also indicative of the fact that the memorial was staged. Therefore, I, like many fellow believers, took it to be a clue. If its not a clue well...then we'll let it go and discard it. But still, the anomaly would persist as to Why Was The Song Edited In The First Place when not necessary at all??
I also suggested taht the the more digestible clues be introduced first to the non believers (like the SLIP UPS and theKenny Ortega tweets and Dave Dave.....all of which have found worthy attention in your updates....So YOU CANT say taht I am advocating JUST pains as evidence for hoax) and THEN gradually the numerology, to avoid the whole hoax theory to be discarded as a result of someKnee Jerk reaction by people.....Its something that peopel often do when they hear conspiracy theories.I said that keeping in mind General Public Phsycology....because I dont want this hoax theory to reach as many people as possible...So taht this doesnt get discarded as another "UFO" thing. Sadly enough I have no way of doing that as my friends hre in India, couldnt care less abou Michael Jackson hoaxing his death and its consequences. People are too busy with their own lives to care about this..Something that is very disappointing.
So my idea of the hoax is not biased or baseless in any way....In case you have come to think that, its regrettable. Its just taht I am anxious of the reactions we get from people. I am worried as to how the messsage will reach out to every soul on Earth...If thats possible at all.
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genius..thank you T.S, you and Mj are genius
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Thanks TS all the hard work you do to keep us informed. It's long yes and really wow! Mike we waiting for BAM! :D
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Thank you TS! Thank you for your guidance and patience. This has been an incredible journey and worth every step. You have given us, the believers fuel to continue and help others become aware of Michael's message. This whole idea of the hoax, the numbers, the message is truly a masterful piece of art. Pure genius on Michael's part and yours. Thanks for helping us along. I am very grateful for your knowledge and your hard work. Take care!
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You are amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR GREAT WORK!!
I WILL DO MY BEST TO SPREAD THE TRUTH TO ALL LIGHT BEINGS EVERYWHERE.
I send your way all that is good and may you be protected as you spread the truth of
MICHAEL JACKSON IS ALIVE AND HERE IS THE EVIDENCE!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL AND MUCH LOVE AND BLESSINGS TO YOU ALWAYS.
WE ARE ALL ONE :) :)
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TS, I have said this many times, and I will say it many more times:
GOD BLESS YOU ! You have helped all of us drastically. Without you, no offense to anyone, but we would be NO WHERE near where we are now. Thank you SO much for all of your wonderful help. :D
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Thank you once again TS for all your hard work! When you explain things for us, there is no denying why Michael planned this "hoax".
It is so obvious that the world as we know it, is on a downward spiral and out of control. There is so much turmoil, devastation and destruction taking place around the world right now, unlike anything we have seen before and it is obvious that "mother earth" is trying to tell us something! How much of this destruction is"natural" and how much of it is being "controlled", by the government? That is the question.
All I know is that we need to join together our "Army of Love" and use our "voices" to educate the masses. It is up to us to "make a change" We need to take back control of our own lives and help save our planet, before its too late!
I really want to thank Michael for what he is doing for us. He is not only a genius, he is a humanitarian and a true blue HERO! I will do whatever I can to spread his message and I will be waiting with open arms for his return, so together we can fight this fight...with LOVE of course!
Michael, I love you from the bottom of my heart and with all my soul. Thanks you for risking your life, to save all of ours. God bless you always!!!
Thanks again TS for all the time you put into your posts...much love!
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Thank you so much TS!
I like all your posts, and they are not cold at all. :mrgreen:
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Thank you for your very "demonstrative" post (as usual) here, TS.
This has most certainly helped drive home a whole lot of things/"truths" for me. One of them (which made the strongest impact on me) is MJ's REASONS for this hoax, as evident from the 'clues/hints', are based more or less on HIS OWN unique beliefs/hopes/expectations & NOT necessarily a reflection of cosmopolitan or individual ones (yes, well, MJ never really sought to much of a 'conformist' exactly, did he? Quite the opposite, actually :D). I had always imagined from the start (since I became a "BeLIEver", that is!) that this "journey" was, for the greater part, a deeply "personal quest" to him. It was only later, after following & embarking on it ourselves that we adopted, adapted & incorporated that into our own 'personal legends' as well 8-) But, somewhere along the line, I let my own feelings & convictions (now that I think about it, not to mention dregs of what was happening my non-cyber/non-MJ related/personal life too!) interfere & intermingle with that, hence clouding it ALL BIG TIME for me. I suppose time had a little something to with that as well (so, on top of my terrible multi-tasking abilities, I've got impatience, frustration/detachment/attention issues to add to that list of my "virtues" :oops:). But since there's ALWAYS HOPE for ALL of us, maybe I'll live too :D :lol: :D
Now I realise that I just simply cannot do "calculation" (in EVERY sense of the word, not just with numbers this time! ;)) quite as well as I can "emotions". So, I guess, it's 'wisest' ( :P) that I stick to the ONE "message" that is most transparent & has ALWAYS made sense to me (MJ's simple message of universal peace & love) :) Hmmm...perhaps there is something to the saying that goes, "If you don't have anything "useful" to say...(I know the word is "nice" in most parts, but in this neck of the woods, we find the substitution mostly a necessity). From now onwards, I shall TRY my best to refrain from cluttering/distracting you serious, hardcore hoaxsters' efforts to keep this as clean, clear & concise as possible (Damn my blasted, BURNING curiosity though, because that just WON'T let me disappear or stay away! So, forgive me if I make no promises on that regard, ok? :P).
Good luck with your "investigation", everyone. I CAN'T WAIT to see MJ's dream (& our jubilation too ;)) come true! Well, I guess, at least that part-the CELEBRATION bit-we shall ALL have no hitches or qualms managing TOGETHER!!! :arrow: :D ;) :lol: :P :mrgreen: :D :!:
MMMMMMMMWAH
L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!
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TIAI Update #5d: DO you Think 4 your Self?
You can also kindly remind them that the issue is what MJ believes, and his message; others are free to have their own beliefs, but the hoax forums are about MJ and his reasons for the hoax. And please do not get into unkind arguments with anyone; remember, it’s all for L.O.V.E. Preparing for bamsday means understanding the message, helping others to understand it, and most of all: living the L.O.V.E. yourself!
Thank you for this lovely update. I especially love this part. :)
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Thank you TS :D
Sure,I'll be there.
The truth will prevail!
I LOVE YOU ALL & GOD BLESS;)
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Thank you for the update TS. I look forward to everything you post.
I keep encouraging others to read between the lines, to think for themselves and not be sheep. I know many that do think for themselves.
I'm keeping the faith!
Love you Michael!
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TS, you remind me of my Dad who was a Bible scholar. I can almost hear him in some of your posts, particularly those about Daniel and Revelation. Thank you for bringing this to my remembrance. I appreciate your dedication to the quest for truth. BTW, did I find a clue to your identity in 5-10? :)
Also @ForstAMoon, thank you for your post about God and math.
@lilwendy, thank you for your post on the parallels of the hoax and your spiritual walk.
May we all continue to live the L.O.V.E.
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TS . . . thank you again!!! More and more insight. Piece by piece, the puzzle is "revealing" the big picture. In time, the details will make the picture "clear". I (we) appreciate the time and love you've invested in delineating the reasons behind the hoax. We are rounding the corner and heading into the home stretch and I Will Be There, Michael. You are the light of the world!
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THANK YOU-THANK YOU-THANK YOU TS!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
I'm speechless...I feel BLESSED to be part of this as all members not only in here but in all hoax-related forums..
GOD BLESS YOU TS!!!!
WE'LL BE THERE-there is no question 4 that-WE ARE ALREADY!!! :D ;) :P
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Thanks TS 4 all the clues in Update 5. There was a lot of evidence already you’re not a fake informer. Your posts are focussed and sincere, not cold or hard-hearted at all, and evidently more than just speculation. I love the quiz of 21 questions (in your 21st post) straight from the Hoax Guidebook and you must have access to the Teacher’s edition to redirect to TMZ when you did.
(Can’t help but notice 07-25-2010 6:37 full moon. It’s also 1 year 1 month and 1 day since the 06-25-2009.)
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I do think for myself. Thank you, TS, for all the posts. I am more and more convinced all the time that Michael is still alive. And I am so very grateful for this Website. At least here people are kind and considerate and open-minded. I've tried to discuss this on http://www.michaeljackson.com (http://www.michaeljackson.com), and I have come across people who are not only rather narrow-minded, but also extremely rude. Two people were kind to me there; but, for the most part, people there have been mean to me. Thanks, again, for the posts.
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It is so helpful to have your positive communication TS, but as the year date approaches, it is hard to stave off fears, fears that again nothing will happen, and we have to hunker down for more long months, maybe till major earth-wide events of 2012, all the while thinking that maybe we've been duped all along with VERY smooth criminal followers only--not the actual smooth criminal. I do totally think for myself, and if I simply followed you TS, my doubts would be laid to rest in confidence. However this world has much evil in it (and of course more good) and so this whole excersise is one of faith and endurance. I absolutely love Michael and am 100% behind him carrying out his hoax, but it's been a long journey of 11 months living with "double-speak" bombarding my brain. This has been fun, but also torture. I wish I could just peek at the end of the book just to make sure it all works out. You talked about the odds of Michael planning all this and they are all fantastically huge, and I simply love the beauty of the orchestration, but I do feel like I am one of the "nut-jobs holding a cardboard sign". I feel better sharing my fears. Thanks for listening!!
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wow thank you TS these readings always makes me blow my mind. I believe that Michael is alive and he is going to come back, I don't have any doubt about it :)
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TS thank you, this lightens my heart.
LILWENDY thank you for your reply... your spiritual path may just be the path that I am on, hee !
I am very grateful for this journey and for opening my eyes, for wanting to investigate the truth and for also picking up my bible and asking questions.
Since I am unable to speak to non-believers about MJ and a hoax... I hope they will see something in me that has been awakened for the better. Then I will gladly fill them in about what happened, when it started, who helped me and what I am doing differently. This is what I hope will get their attention and curiousity.
MICHAEL JACKSON a BIG thank you to you also !!!!
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Ibelieveinmj, it is nice to read your response. I have an account on http://www.michaeljackson.com (http://www.michaeljackson.com) (owned by Sony, by the way); and I have tried to invite people to this site to investigate the hoax theory. There are a few people on that site who believe in freedom of speech for everybody. However, I have come across many people there who are downright mean. I even took the advice of another Sony site member and created a new thread to discuss the hoax; and within 12 hours my thread was deleted. Fortunately, I kept a copy of the thread in my blog so that I could invite others to join. Do you think there is anything wrong with what I said? Perhaps it is better to post this in pm. I don't know.
Michael Jackson's Message: Expose the New World Order and the Illuminati
MAY 26, 2010, 8:29 pm
I want to start off by apologizing for posting the link to another site which offended many people. The site, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com), is not meant to offend. It exists to give an alternative viewpoint regarding what happened last June. I hate to think of what I did as spamming, though, viewing my actions somewhat more objectively now, I realize I was indeed spamming. If you read my blog, you will notice that I promised to never spam again (either here or elsewhere). I firmly believe that Michael has tried to expose the Illuminati and the New World Order in much of his music. There is quite a history in this. However, here is a list of songs which I believe were meant to expose the Illuminati and the NWO:
Jam
Smooth Criminal
They Don't Care About Us
Earth Song
Black Or White
Heal the World
We Are the World
Man in the Mirror
Bad
2Bad
Beat It
Stranger In Moscow
Scream
Morphine
Leave Me Alone
Dirty Diana (that is a groupie song that could where Dirty Diana can symbolize the Illuminati the same way Annie does in Smooth Criminal)
Obviously, there are many opinions to be expressed about this and about the idea of a death hoax. Again, it is not my intent to offend anyone. I just wonder if any of you might consider the idea: "What if Michael did hoax his death? Why would he do such a thing, if it seems so cruel or such a waste of time, talent, resources, etc.?" If Michael is still alive, wouldn't that give you a reason to smile, a reason to hope? I know it's been nearly a year since we heard the news that he died; and I know that there are many ways to view this issue. For several weeks, I believed that Michael died; but then I began having doubts and second thoughts. A friend referred me to a Website about a death hoax (not the one I posted above); and I visited that site and considered what was presented there. That site was hijacked by people who didn't like the hoax idea; and a new one was created. By now, several sites have been created investigating the idea of Michael hoaxing his death. I was skeptical for the first few weeks following the news that he died; but I also like to be open-minded about everything. I ask you to do as I did and investigate with an open mind. If you just don't like the idea of a hoax, please don't bother posting here and discouraging others. If you will investigate with an open mind, I invite your comments. Perhaps you still won't believe the hoax theory. That's fine. But please investigate with an open mind before you completely discard the theory.
I believe that Michael wanted to show how the Illuminati works, hiding in plain sight. That is one of the ideas addressed on http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com) and in several videos on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DikoLMfn ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DikoLMfnEgE&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTM_1ooW ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTM_1ooWTmQ&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_1JGuLK ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_1JGuLK8MM&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5qqKScq ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5qqKScqiuM&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wfOg-9F ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wfOg-9FLow&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWHiZhl_ ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWHiZhl_TBA&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm2l0FNB ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm2l0FNBsn4&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x9L-diM ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x9L-diMHas&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb6Q0wRh ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb6Q0wRhf64&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nZ3mJsG ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nZ3mJsGFJY&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOnoJAs9 ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOnoJAs9Q2g&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSaP-iKE ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSaP-iKEYxE&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vn8cVoK ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vn8cVoK70M&feature=player_embedded)
Even if Michael actually died, the Illuminati is guilty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvRI1VnQ ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvRI1VnQAEc&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFXdFTd2 ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFXdFTd2U24&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAkQQKwZ ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAkQQKwZdpY&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltb6wkaN ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltb6wkaNCYQ&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP9epoUD ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP9epoUDFqM&feature=player_embedded)
Michael's Black Panther Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKouvt2s ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKouvt2sOVY&feature=player_embedded)
For more information:
http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2 ... illumina.. (http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2010/01/03/mike-victim-of-illumina..).
Well that's it for what I said on the other site, other than comments, which I neglected to save to my blog. Do you guys think I said or did anything wrong? I have been corresponding with Michael; and I told him about the MJHDI site; and he responded very pleased about this site.
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@FITA
"Well that's it for what I said on the other site, other than comments, which I neglected to save to my blog. Do you guys think I said or did anything wrong? I have been corresponding with Michael; and I told him about the MJHDI site; and he responded very pleased about this site"
No, you did not do anything wrong! You have been corresponding with Michael? :o
Well, good for you!
Thanks for everything TS! I have become a different person over this year ... much more educated on the "real world" events and more spiritual in my every day life. One of my coworkers even said this! And she is the only one who I really really can talk to everyday... I have also enlightened her and she is very much aware now! Thanks again for everything TS! Much L.O.V.E. to YOU! 8-)
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Wonderfully said TS!
But there is something to understand. It was stated that MJ reads the bible daily, so I am sure he is familiar with the scripture verses “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.” (Matthew 7:6; KJV) And “Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.” (2nd Timothy 3:8; KJV)
I have spoken to many regarding MJ and June 25th, and just like the Word of God, some believe and some don’t. I understand that the truth about MJ is just like the truth about salvation, not everyone will accept it! God made man a freewill being and gave him a choice, to choose life or to choose death! Those who choose to accept the facts as they relate to MJ know that he is alive and will return, just as those who choose to accept the facts as they relate to Christ know He is alive and will return! Those who don’t believe either have chosen death and that’s their choice. Therefore I pray that MJ’s plans do not pivot up the convincing of the naysayers, but upon the support of the believers who are and always will be in his corner 150%!!!
Someone once said “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.” And someone else said, “Yes, but you can put salt in his mouth and make him thirsty!” This site has done just that. It has made a lot of people thirty for the truth concerning MJ. But we must remember there will always be those who are of a reprobate mind and will never accept the truth! But just because they don’t accept it that doesn’t make it none the less true! I’m keeping the faith where MJ is concerned.
And yes I can and do think for myself, because God says, I have to work out my own salvation! (Philippians 2:12)
Stay blessed!
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Fita No you did not do anything bad, bad thing is the intolerance of some people, it is not surprising that they have removed the thread of hoax in a Sony-owned site
for those who don't know currently laws are moving podráan censor any blogs or websites that do not meet certain "requirements" and cause its decommissioning. The elite this acting fast, knows that the only way to free expression that remains is the Internet and are willing to put their dirty hands to censure us.
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Thank you for the responses. They really lightened my heart.
I also posted something on one of the threads on the other site about Jam. Lately, I have felt to study 1 Corinthians 13, the Bibles love chapter (though there are many love chapters in the Bible); and 13:4-8, 13; and 14:1 have really stuck out to me. On the other site, I quoted from the NKJV. But I prefer the Complete Jewish Bible:
4 Love is patient and kind, not jealous, not boastful, 5 not proud, rude or selfish, not easily angered, and it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not gloat over other people's sins but takes its delight in the truth. 7 Love always bears up, always trusts, always hopes, always endures. 8 Love never ends; [though I prefer the NKJV here: "Love never fails"]. 14:1 Pursue love!
It's all about L.O.V.E. While I was meditating on 1 Corinthians 13:4-8, 13 and 14:1, I thought, "That sounds just like Michael. Michael is "patient adn kind, not jealous, not boastful, not proud, rude or selfish, not easily angered, and he keeps no record of wrongs. Michael does nt gloat over other people's sins but takes his delight in the truth. Michael always bears up, always trusts, always hopes, always endures. His love never fails. Michael is love." Before I thought that way for very long, I sensed God reminding me: "God is love. God in Michael (who stays very close to Him) is love. God in anyone who stays very close to him is love." I guess I needed a slight re-direct. I don't think Michael wants people to worship him. He wants us all to have true peace and unconditional L.O.V.E. for ourselves and one another. Michael stays so close to God that God's love permeates him and his life. I think he would want the same for everyone.