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Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on April 23, 2010, 11:21:45 AM

Title: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on April 23, 2010, 11:21:45 AM
Thanks to CAROLHEARTBELONGTOMJ for this. http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/ ... =11&t=7010 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7010)

(http://http://i40.tinypic.com/2mo5zf6.jpg)

Apparently she went to Carolwood dr on March 30, a Tuesday...and what do you see? TRASHCANS! She posts this website for proof on trash days: http://www.lacity.org/ForResidents/Stre ... /index.htm (http://www.lacity.org/ForResidents/StreetsTrashWaterPower/index.htm)

I havent tried but you can look up 100 Carolwood and it says trashday is WEDNESDAY.

So...if MJ died on a THURSDAY, then why are the trashcans still there in all the video footage from that day? I know we've gone over this a million times but I think this just proves the "that day and the other day..." thing!! She went back on Thursday and the cans were gone.



Trashday is Wed so those cans should have been gone by Thursday wouldnt ya think?
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: jill on April 23, 2010, 11:25:22 AM
I read the posts on this thread last night.  It is really good.  This girl went to Carolwood and took these photos herself.  She found out the trash pick up is on Wednesday.  The trash cans are put out the night before on Tuesday.  Some of the pictures we saw when the news broke had to be taken on Wednesday, June 24 not June 25th!  The trash cans would not have been there on that Thursday!
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: MJonmind on April 23, 2010, 11:38:59 AM
Seems interesting, but trash cycles change periodically because of holidays. Here it does.
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on April 23, 2010, 11:43:37 AM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
Seems interesting, but trash cycles change periodically because of holidays. Here it does.


There were no holidays on or near June 25th or March 30
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: frogh777 on April 23, 2010, 12:08:51 PM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "MJonmind"
Seems interesting, but trash cycles change periodically because of holidays. Here it does.


There were no holidays on or near June 25th or March 30

so maybe they are empty !
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: voiceforthesilent on April 23, 2010, 12:30:55 PM
Quote from: "jill"
I read the posts on this thread last night.  It is really good.  This girl went to Carolwood and took these photos herself.  She found out the trash pick up is on Wednesday.  The trash cans are put out the night before on Tuesday.  Some of the pictures we saw when the news broke had to be taken on Wednesday, June 24 not June 25th!  The trash cans would not have been there on that Thursday!

I agree that this does support the slip-up by Ben but when would Michael have had time on 6/24 to do this? How long was he at rehearsals?
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: jill on April 23, 2010, 12:33:07 PM
@frogg777 It is highly unlikely that empty trash cans would be left on the street for an extra day in a neighborhood of this caliber.  There is more than likely a neighborhood association that would not allow that with penalties of fines.  We are required to remove cans from the street immediately after pick up on our street and the neighborhood is not in L.A.!
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: Grace on April 23, 2010, 12:33:12 PM
Yes, this trash can issue of June 24 was discussed on MJHD.

MJHD was active in the web since mid June.
There are these twitter evidences that his death was discussed on June 24 already (a time zone issue is literally impossible):

[attachment=0:22dnjr4f]X_michael-jackson-dead-20090624.png[/attachment:22dnjr4f]

So yes, as the several videos of the ambulance were taken at different day times (different lengths of shadows e.g.), why not a video taken on June 24 and some rumours going into the web from eye-witnesses in the area.
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: becca26 on April 23, 2010, 12:50:42 PM
what about recycling could this be those also?
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: whatyourheartsays on April 23, 2010, 12:59:42 PM
Quote from: "becca26"
what about recycling could this be those also?

In my town in France we have a day for "trash" and the next day is for "recycling" Not the same color for bins, but 2 different days.

You could be right, BUT, have you seen he number of trash bins on the june 25th pictures, with the ambulance ? Michael was recycling his whole furnitures ! :lol:

But I agree on that theory.

Anyway I always thougt there is something about trash bins. On the picture about Murray & cocacola, appeared in TMZ, there was a trash bin, written "recycle" on the picture, also the picture looked like an advertising.
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: becca26 on April 23, 2010, 01:04:31 PM
Quote from: "whatyourheartsays"
Quote from: "becca26"
what about recycling could this be those also?

In my town in France we have a day for "trash" and the next day is for "recycling" Not the same color for bins, but 2 different days.

You could be right, BUT, have you seen he number of trash bins on the june 25th pictures, with the ambulance ? Michael was recycling his whole furnitures ! :lol:

But I agree on that theory.

Anyway I always thougt there is something about trash bins. On the picture about Murray & cocacola, appeared in TMZ, there was a trash bin, written "recycle" on the picture, also the picture looked like an advertising.

Well where I live blue is for glass, green for plastics, and orange for paper. So Im not sure for california :?
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: somekindofsign on April 23, 2010, 01:28:39 PM
Supossedly Christian Audigier is renting the house from a CEO of Ed Hardy, his own company...

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/01/audigier- ... s-mansion/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/01/audigier-moving-into-michaels-mansion/)
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: whatyourheartsays on April 23, 2010, 02:33:57 PM
Quote from: "somekindofsign"
Supossedly Christian Audigier is renting the house from a CEO of Ed Hardy, his own company...

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/01/audigier- ... s-mansion/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/01/audigier-moving-into-michaels-mansion/)

I thought Audigier said he was not able to live there after Michael's death ... does he rents it and do not live in it, or did he changed his mind about "michael's spirit still in the house"
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: Jacksonology on April 23, 2010, 03:24:50 PM
thanks for bringing this back up THE JACKSONOLOGIST.
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: Christiana on April 23, 2010, 03:58:40 PM
Quote from: "whatyourheartsays"
Quote from: "somekindofsign"
Supossedly Christian Audigier is renting the house from a CEO of Ed Hardy, his own company...

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/01/audigier- ... s-mansion/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/01/audigier-moving-into-michaels-mansion/)

I thought Audigier said he was not able to live there after Michael's death ... does he rents it and do not live in it, or did he changed his mind about "michael's spirit still in the house"

He doesn't live in that house. He announced he was going to,and then he changed his mind not long after. He never moved in there.
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: somekindofsign on April 23, 2010, 04:23:16 PM
Christiana source? Please.
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: Sabrina on April 23, 2010, 04:27:56 PM
Quote from: "whatyourheartsays"
Quote from: "becca26"
what about recycling could this be those also?

In my town in France we have a day for "trash" and the next day is for "recycling" Not the same color for bins, but 2 different days.
.


In my town it's everyday exept weekends
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: the arabian nights on April 23, 2010, 05:23:25 PM
eek i dont know if i could do that?
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: Em on April 23, 2010, 05:48:34 PM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Thanks to CAROLHEARTBELONGTOMJ for this. http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/ ... =11&t=7010 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7010)

(http://http://i40.tinypic.com/2mo5zf6.jpg)

Apparently she went to Carolwood dr on March 30, a Tuesday...and what do you see? TRASHCANS! She posts this website for proof on trash days: http://www.lacity.org/ForResidents/Stre ... /index.htm (http://www.lacity.org/ForResidents/StreetsTrashWaterPower/index.htm)

I havent tried but you can look up 100 Carolwood and it says trashday is WEDNESDAY.

So...if MJ died on a THURSDAY, then why are the trashcans still there in all the video footage from that day? I know we've gone over this a million times but I think this just proves the "that day and the other day..." thing!! She went back on Thursday and the cans were gone.



Trashday is Wed so those cans should have been gone by Thursday wouldnt ya think?

I already know that the garbage collection was Wed. and do believe that the video footage was done on Wed.(Ben slip-up) Well, the cans were also there on that Thursday. I have posted this before but forgot where. If you look at some news footage of reporters outside the house that Thursday, like CNN, you should notice the cans a bit different(not as neat) and also one of them is missing. To me that was interesting!
You can also get fined for having your empty bins out the next day, but the covers were on, so it seemed that the garbage wasn't even collected yet in the footage.
Could the video have been shot Wed. and then they noticed the cans and said oops? They would have to have left them there the next day so everything would match up.

Also the reflection of the red car in the ambulance pic is in spotted sun and sun is hitting the wheel, but in the video footage it's in shade. Hmmm......
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: somekindofsign on April 23, 2010, 06:52:00 PM
Quote from: "Em"
I already know that the garbage collection was Wed. and do believe that the video footage was done on Wed.(Ben slip-up) Well, the cans were also there on that Thursday.

Em can you tell me what Ben and what slip up please?

About the whole action hapenning on wednesday we also have the UCLA pic taken on 6/24/2009 20:00 Creation date. We know that exif data can be edited, but still seems senseless to do so.

The photographer shouldn´t be interested on changing the date because he wants credit and shelling the pics as MJ arriving to UCLA, we cannot see him, what´s the point on changing it and make it unbelievable?
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: whatyourheartsays on April 23, 2010, 08:18:14 PM
Quote from: "Sabrina"
Quote from: "whatyourheartsays"
Quote from: "becca26"
what about recycling could this be those also?

In my town in France we have a day for "trash" and the next day is for "recycling" Not the same color for bins, but 2 different days.
.


In my town it's everyday exept weekends

Yep but you live in Paris ! The city were you couldget an full appartment stuffed with furniture only having a look on garbages on streets ! One day I said to a friend that you could go in an empty house in Paris and have it totaly equiped (TV, laundery, Kitchen, Furnitures, anything !) just walking around in Paris...People just get everything they don't want, down on streets. A kind of giant free flee market every night  :lol:  I just love Paris !
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: Em on April 23, 2010, 09:17:08 PM
Quote from: "somekindofsign"
Quote from: "Em"
I already know that the garbage collection was Wed. and do believe that the video footage was done on Wed.(Ben slip-up) Well, the cans were also there on that Thursday.

Em can you tell me what Ben and what slip up please?


The Photographer, Ben
When he said, "That day and the oth.........."
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: Em on April 23, 2010, 09:22:30 PM
I found where I posted the CNN footage:

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=155&start=25#p88690 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=155&start=25#p88690)
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: somekindofsign on April 23, 2010, 09:27:09 PM
Quote from: "Em"
Quote from: "somekindofsign"
Quote from: "Em"
I already know that the garbage collection was Wed. and do believe that the video footage was done on Wed.(Ben slip-up) Well, the cans were also there on that Thursday.

Em can you tell me what Ben and what slip up please?


The Photographer, Ben
When he said, "That day and the oth.........."

Ah, Ben Evenstad!
Thank you very much!
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: Em on April 23, 2010, 09:28:20 PM
Wow, I just tried the link and for the CNN footage, when it take's you to YouTube, it says the video is private.
Makes you wonder....
I hope you guys looked at it when I originally posted it.
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: loma on April 23, 2010, 10:16:56 PM
Quote from: "whatyourheartsays"

Yep but you live in Paris ! The city were you couldget an full appartment stuffed with furniture only having a look on garbages on streets ! One day I said to a friend that you could go in an empty house in Paris and have it totaly equiped (TV, laundery, Kitchen, Furnitures, anything !) just walking around in Paris...People just get everything they don't want, down on streets. A kind of giant free flee market every night  :lol:  I just love Paris !
:shock: I must live there. I'm a major hoarded.


ANYWAYS.. I don't think the trashcans are a CLUE themselves, but I think it does contribute to the whole "pre-planned" story, thanks to Ben.  ;)
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: MYLOVELYONE on April 23, 2010, 11:05:54 PM
yes because all that on "that day and the other daa..." was planned...  paramedics didn't realize at first he was michael because probably he wasn't michael and maby he was already in the airport...
who knows
and of course it is fake. my mom always tells me this a movie we are living inside the screen
the garbage there means it was made on a wenesday, on wenesday june 24
people in UCLA cannot say anithing about that day, can they?
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: Jacksonology on April 24, 2010, 08:50:42 PM
trash pick up in my area is every Thursday.
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: mjkate on April 24, 2010, 09:26:21 PM
I am so sorry that I don't have fact to back this up but I read in a thread here a while back (I think in one of the UCLA threads - I'll go back and look) but someone said there was a sign on a "gate" (I couldn't see it) that said June 24th at the hospital. Does anyone remember that. There would have to be a lot of people in on the hoax if the date of "death" was actually the 24th and there would have to be a double. Soooo many people people said they talked to MJ that night and said that he was at rehearsal and even showed tape reported to be the 24th. Either there are a lot of people in on it or they were duped by the  double....or the 24th can't be factored in. I prefer to believe there are lot of people in on it or they were duped by a double and mj was well on his way to the airport er hospital!
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: somekindofsign on April 24, 2010, 10:54:25 PM
But that sign should have to be on some family member arrival pic, at the announcement by Jermaine or in the ambo arriving pics, and I can´t remember any of that there...  :?

Are you sure?
Can you remember something?

What I know is that one of the not cutted images of the ambo arriving is creation dated 6/24/2009 20:00. But that has been discussed and we came to the conclusion that this exif data can be edited, it´s weird though.

Can be that what you "remember"?
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: whatyourheartsays on April 25, 2010, 07:51:01 PM
Quote from: "loma"
Quote from: "whatyourheartsays"

Yep but you live in Paris ! The city were you couldget an full appartment stuffed with furniture only having a look on garbages on streets ! One day I said to a friend that you could go in an empty house in Paris and have it totaly equiped (TV, laundery, Kitchen, Furnitures, anything !) just walking around in Paris...People just get everything they don't want, down on streets. A kind of giant free flee market every night  :lol:  I just love Paris !
:shock: I must live there. I'm a major hoarded.


ANYWAYS.. I don't think the trashcans are a CLUE themselves, but I think it does contribute to the whole "pre-planned" story, thanks to Ben.  ;)

In my town I just walk streets at night with my dog and I find many stuffs. If I don't need them, I just sell them back on the web to get money for my pet rescue actions...
Small list of what I found in TRASH BIN : Rio 5Go mp3 Player, huge "bench?" (only 1 pulley missing, we bought it for 3 euro in sport shop...) book about Egyptian Art, Many other books, another mp3 player, Kickers shoes brand new in the box with price on it ! 3 boxes of clothes completely new, many furnitures (that I used for my personnal office for the organization) garden table, camera, converse shoes brand new in the box, laptop wireless mouse, decoration stuff...
I also get all the dying plants : I put them in my house, try to get them back and give them to people. It's stupid to throw away a plant, it can always be back to life most of the time. But just because it doesn't look good anymore, it just deserves to die...

My friend went down her building and in the trash bin room she found a plasma TV, about 120m !! It was not working but her husband just had to change a fuse, and it was back to life !!!
It's good for us because it helps to save animals by selling all those stuff, but you also realise we really have a problem...How can people throw so many things away ? And it's all new, maybe just little thing to fix ! I just don't understand. I always keep everything I can to find it a new life later, or give it to organizations, or sell it to get money for my organization...but throwing away is really last possibility ! Even if I don't need it, I can't stand to see it destroyed for nothing...we produce to many things, and if we just really use what we have, and don't think about having always brand new objects, we could save a lot for the planet health...
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: mjkate on April 25, 2010, 08:37:42 PM
I am pretty sure the poster said the "gate" at the emergency room entrance. I remember looking at all the pics and didn't see what she meant. I will really try to find the post so you can see it. Since then and because of the garbage cans amongst many other things I have always wondered about the 24th.
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: whatyourheartsays on April 25, 2010, 09:13:20 PM
Quote from: "mjkate"
I am pretty sure the poster said the "gate" at the emergency room entrance. I remember looking at all the pics and didn't see what she meant. I will really try to find the post so you can see it. Since then and because of the garbage cans amongst many other things I have always wondered about the 24th.

Footage on 24th could be right, because garbage day doesn't fit, we have NO VIEW of Michael from 25th, except the ambulance picture which turns to be fake ?
Howcould we even proove Michael was there on 25th ? He could even NOT BE the one in the ambulance, the one in the bag, the one going to UCLA...

If he had all this video on 24th, I guess on 25th in the morning, he just had to pick his bag and leave for the airport while everybody was following the helicopter.

Wasn't Michael already doing this ? Sending few cars in a direction to be followed by paparazzi to go safe in another place. Not first time he did. As long as we did not see him on 25th, it's completely "believable".
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: whatyourheartsays on April 25, 2010, 09:15:39 PM
Quote from: "whatyourheartsays"
Quote from: "mjkate"
I am pretty sure the poster said the "gate" at the emergency room entrance. I remember looking at all the pics and didn't see what she meant. I will really try to find the post so you can see it. Since then and because of the garbage cans amongst many other things I have always wondered about the 24th.

Footage on 24th could be right, because garbage day doesn't fit, we have NO VIEW of Michael from 25th, except the ambulance picture which turns to be fake ?
Howcould we even proove Michael was there on 25th ? He could even NOT BE the one in the ambulance, the one in the bag, the one going to UCLA...

If he had all this video on 24th, I guess on 25th in the morning, he just had to pick his bag and leave for the airport while everybody was following the helicopter.

Wasn't Michael already doing this ? Sending few cars in a direction to be followed by paparazzi to go safe in another place. Not first time he did. As long as we did not see him on 25th, it's completely "believable".

Just wanted to add that his bodyguard said they took Michael and kids to the cinema without anybody noticing. And he says "that's because my team is good"...If Michael has people able to take him to a crowded cinema, sure they were able to have him out of is house without anybody seeing.
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: somekindofsign on April 25, 2010, 09:17:41 PM
whatyourheartsays what you say sounds really familiar to me.
My family and I we are the rubbish team.
My father fix the  electronnics when possible, my mother and I refurbish furniture and ware, my sister is the queen of ebay  :lol:
New clothes... from Zara, H&M...
I can´t walk without taking a look at the trash... but I´m almost furnishing my house!
And somethings are unbelievable.
Plus I worked a summer years ago, when studying, in a recicling center that we have here in every town and city (green/clean point)... going to the rich neighbourhoods was Disneyland!  :lol:

I don´t understand why people get rid of that things...
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: Badgirl777 on June 28, 2010, 06:28:20 PM
I don't know if it was still interesting....i found a video from CNN from a Saturday..it must be the 27.June 2009 and the trask cans are still there !!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryUlJUCC ... re=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryUlJUCC8S0&feature=channel)

A silly question.....the trash from celebrities.....does they rearly put them in cans and bring it at the street where every pap or other ppl could take a look to find some " interesting " things ?
I would give it to a private company to take it so that the privacy is save.
Title: Re: Back to 100 Carolwood.
Post by: Grace on June 29, 2010, 01:30:06 AM
Quote from: "Badgirl777"
A silly question.....the trash from celebrities.....does they rearly put them in cans and bring it at the street where every pap or other ppl could take a look to find some " interesting " things ?
I would give it to a private company to take it so that the privacy is save.

Yep. Absolutely correct.
If you want to know secrets, go and disguise as cleaning queen or garbage man.
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