Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Hoax Pictures => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on April 20, 2010, 03:52:21 PM
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Everytime we have a thread about doubles with some pictures, I often see people say "well, Michael had some work done, that changes your face". Did he really change himself that much? I don't think so.
So I went through the pics again, and here is Mike from the Thriller era up to 2005, so there is 20 years in between and a lot of faces, yet we end up with... the same face yet some years older with some work on the nose. I don't see anything other changed, but maybe that's just me.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi1.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi2.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi3.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi4.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi5.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi6.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi7.jpg)
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I agree with you he didn't change a lot...Nose job, his chin (don't know the name in english sorry) and the upper lip...And probably taking age like every one of us :cry: :P
Everytime we have a thread about doubles with some pictures, I often see people say "well, Michael had some work done, that changes your face". Did he really change himself that much? I don't think so.
So I went through the pics again, and here is Mike from the Thriller era up to 2005, so there is 20 years in between and a lot of faces, yet we end up with... the same face yet some years older with some work on the nose. I don't see anything other changed, but maybe that's just me.
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All I see is a slight change in michaels nose and cleft chin not a great change at all bless him
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I would say nose, chin and some dental work, but everybody get's their teeth done if they have problems with them...... His eyes and lovely smile is the same.
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I think Michael experimented a lot with fillers and botox.. especially around Invincible era..
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So, then we have O2 dude again....
Mike might have added a SMALL, TINY cleft to the chin, but somehow it got A LOT bigger in only 4 years, now THAT'S odd! First it was round, now it's a line. And what happened to his mouth? Things that make you go hmmmmm.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/mouthchin.jpg)
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I am with you on this one Souza. I think you are right. And I don't think Michael changed that much as some people say. He does not look so different over the years as some make him too.
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Invincible era:
Its all Michael.. still Michael on the inside and his beauty shines out from his soul.
During this period, he has had fillers in his cheeks and some poor work.. the plastic surgeon who did this should have been shot. Michael was victim to a lot of shady doctors who took his money and didnt care about the consequences. Used and abused him. :cry:
The O2 guy was the real Michael. 100 percent. :D
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Please, watch two of my videos. I hope this will help.
[youtube:ebb3n5m8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg92M0vlJ6k[/youtube:ebb3n5m8]
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And this one:
http://www.youtube.com/godena#p/a/u/1/43fNOEgoMLk (http://www.youtube.com/godena#p/a/u/1/43fNOEgoMLk)
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But you know what? I dont care.. Michael had his issues and he did what he did for his own reasons.
Its all one hundred percent Michael Jackson. And i love him for it. So there! :D
Same cleft, same Mike:
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Before all the pictures, I was convinced that the "2 Michaels" was a metaphor regarding his psychological status, but after seeing more and more pics, I am starting to believe that there has been a double since he was a little boy :o
The ears on many pics are different and even the eye expression, his aura....I´m very confused right now :?
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I think Michael experimented a lot with fillers and botox.. especially around Invincible era..
I believe so too (therefore not really surgery) and cosmetic tattoos, e.g. lips (it's quite common, I know a lot of people who's had that done).
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The lips look just a very little different at O2 because of the way he puts on the linliner (to fill it up with lipstick).
All Michael IMO.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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Everytime we have a thread about doubles with some pictures, I often see people say "well, Michael had some work done, that changes your face". Did he really change himself that much? I don't think so.
So I went through the pics again, and here is Mike from the Thriller era up to 2005, so there is 20 years in between and a lot of faces, yet we end up with... the same face yet some years older with some work on the nose. I don't see anything other changed, but maybe that's just me.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi1.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi2.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi3.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi4.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi5.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi6.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi7.jpg)
The first picture you posted was already after he got his chin implant and his second nose job...here is a picture before MJ had a chin implant...before anything.
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@Dancingthedream- that picture is one of my favorites. He is so beautiful there. God I miss him
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I think he had the lipliner/lipstick or permanent lip tattoo because when he was darker his lip color was darker. But when his vitiligo came along & his skin color changed, he wanted his lip color to look more natural with his skin tone. Which makes sense, I would do that too. It might have looked funny to have dark colored lips & white skin. Does that makes sense? I completely get it! Like I said, if I had that issue I'd do it too. Has anyone seen Sammy Sosa? He bleached his skin (no vitiligo) & he still has his dark lip color & it looks very unnatural & funny with his skin tone. This is what MJ would have had to deal with too. Also, sometimes vitiligo can affect the lip area too so he could have been covering that. Both are completely understandable reasons to me, I don't get why people gave him grief for the makeup.
http://didisworld.files.wordpress.com/2 ... a-skin.jpg (http://didisworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/sammy-sosa-skin.jpg)
Other than that, all that I see a difference in is his nose & his cleft. The face does change sometimes with age & if you become depressed you don't look like yourself. Which I'm sure he's had to deal with. I think at one point he had gotten a bad nose job, where he nose looked very pointy & he ended up having to get that fixed. But that's still not nearly as much surgery as people had made it seem over the years. He still looks the same!
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Chin implant? :|
Can you explain this a bit better? To me, it just seems like he lost the baby fat on his face...
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So, then we have O2 dude again....
Mike might have added a SMALL, TINY cleft to the chin, but somehow it got A LOT bigger in only 4 years, now THAT'S odd! First it was round, now it's a line. And what happened to his mouth? Things that make you go hmmmmm.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/mouthchin.jpg)
The typical appearance of the face and neck changes with age. Ageing skin begins to sag, as muscle tone gradually decreases. This can be especially apparent in the skin of the chin and neck.
Muscle tone may be lost, causing a flabby or droopy appearance. The jowls may begin to sag, leading to a "double chin" in some people.
In some people the nose lengthens slightly and may look more prominent.
There also may be an increase in the number, size, and color of colored spots on the face. This is largely due to sun exposure.
The skin may thin, become dryer, and develop wrinkles. Although wrinkles are inevitable to some extent, sun exposure and cigarette smoking are likely to make them develop faster.
The ears may lengthen slightly in some people (probably caused by cartilage growth).
Some men may find that they develop hair in their ears that becomes longer, coarser, and more noticeable as they age.
The eyebrows and eyelashes become gray.
The skin around the eyelids becomes loose and wrinkled, often making a "crow's feet" pattern.
The eye socket loses some of its fat pads, making the eyes look sunken and limiting eye movement.
The lower eyelids may appear baggy, and drooping eyelids are fairly common, occasionally limiting vision.
The outer surface of the eye (cornea) may develop a grayish-white ring called arcus corneus or arcus senilis.
The colored portion of the eye (iris) loses pigment, making most very elderly people appear to have gray or light blue eyes.
Loss of teeth can make the lips look shrunken.
The jawbone loses bone material, reducing the size of the lower face. The forehead, nose, and mouth thus look more pronounced.
Gums may also recede, contributing to dental problems and changes in the appearance of the mouth.
Lips get thinner and wrinkles may appear around the mouth.
http://adam.about.com/encyclopedia/Aging-changes-in-the-face.htm
Sounds lovely...
As far as his mouth goes in the pictures maybe his lips have thinned, maybe he has received fillers in them and it looks like they are lined slightly outside the natural lip. This lining techniques is one makeup artists use to make your lips appear fuller.
Step 1
Cover the lips with foundation or concealer, just as one would on the rest of the face. Blend well.
Step 2
Select a lip liner close to the natural lip color for realistic results. Use it to line the lips just outside of the lip line, starting in the middle of the top lip and working out toward each corner.
Step 3
Line the bottom lip in the same fashion, starting in the middle and working toward the ends. Stay close to the natural lip line to keep a realistic appearance.
Step 4
Check for balance on each side, checking that the lips look even. This will help keep a natural look.
Step 5
Use the same liner to completely fill color in the lips. Be sure that there are no obvious lines. Blot the liner with tissue if necessary or blend with a finger.
Step 6
Finish the look with a clear or natural colored gloss. Apply the gloss liberally, as this will give lots of shine to the lips and give the illusion of fullness.
http://www.ehow.com/how_2191889_lips-look-fuller-makeup.html
Now we can all do it too! :lol:
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I agree with you he didn't change a lot...Nose job, his chin (don't know the name in english sorry) and the upper lip...And probably taking age like every one of us :cry: :P
Everytime we have a thread about doubles with some pictures, I often see people say "well, Michael had some work done, that changes your face". Did he really change himself that much? I don't think so.
So I went through the pics again, and here is Mike from the Thriller era up to 2005, so there is 20 years in between and a lot of faces, yet we end up with... the same face yet some years older with some work on the nose. I don't see anything other changed, but maybe that's just me.
Oh, thank you thank you for this thread! Way before the 25th I was CONSTANTLY trying to point this out to people that just won't stop with the "oh everyone knows he's had 15 nose jobs, 10 cheek injections"- UGH! I noticed right away that he's barely changed- His nose only looked different from its original form to the Thriller era and it's still the SAME nose from 86/7 to now! It's just makeup, Botox from time to time and fakes coming out that cause confusion and media crap..
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The first picture you posted was already after he got his chin implant and his second nose job...here is a picture before MJ had a chin implant...before anything.
Did I say the first was without surgery? What's your point? I am only pointing out he didn't change that much the last 20 years and STILL you want to sort of debunk it.
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His eyebrows have changed a lot! I like the Bad era brows.
Besides, who cares what he did to himself, it's his face! Seems he wasn't afraid of needles, although Arnold Klein claims he was 'terrified of them.' hmm
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The first picture you posted was already after he got his chin implant and his second nose job...here is a picture before MJ had a chin implant...before anything.
Did I say the first was without surgery? What's your point? I am only pointing out he didn't change that much the last 20 years and STILL you want to sort of debunk it.
Besides, in the 70s pic, he's not as close up as the Thriller era one, not smiling, and not done growing FULLY.. MKM, where did you hear/read that he ever got chin implants..? I saw comparisons like this on Maximum Jackson and there was an old one next to a 2003 one, and they looked the same..
Poster above me, I know, I forgot to mention that eyebrows also really contribute to his "changes"- they can make anyone look different, plus all the different hairstyles!
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Only chinese grow old without changing ! :lol:
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Only chinese grow old without changing ! :lol:
That's not true. I'm part Chinese, even Chinese people change when they get old. It's HUMAN NATURE :D Only plastic people grow old without changing :lol:
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The whole chin implant thing...sometimes when guys get older their chins change a little & become more pronounced. Same with their jawline, it happens. I'm not making it up either. One of my closest guy friends who I've known since we were 14, has changed a lot over the years. When we first met each other his jawline was narrow & his chin was small. But over the years as he's become a man it's become more pronounced. He's now 22 & his jawline is more square & his chin is squarer & more pronounced. Same with some of the guys in my family. So maybe the whole chin changing, chin implant thing could be explained as just aging? Growing from a teenager/young adult into a full grown man.
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So, then we have O2 dude again....
Mike might have added a SMALL, TINY cleft to the chin, but somehow it got A LOT bigger in only 4 years, now THAT'S odd! First it was round, now it's a line. And what happened to his mouth? Things that make you go hmmmmm.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/mouthchin.jpg)
If I understand you right, it`s all MJ in your first post??! So, this is a pic, also from 2005, where you got your last pic, and his chin looks like 2009. (in my opinion)
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/20032005/vari ... ly/022.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/20032005/various/rally/022.jpg)
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The lips look just a very little different at O2 because of the way he puts on the linliner (to fill it up with lipstick).
yeah
lips are the same but on the right there is a red line of makup place OUT of the lips
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whats done is done. And after all his changes he still managed to stay a sexy thing LOL...
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His eyebrows have changed a lot! I like the Bad era brows.
Besides, who cares what he did to himself, it's his face! Seems he wasn't afraid of needles, although Arnold Klein claims he was 'terrified of them.' hmm
Interesting you mention the fear of needles and worrying as well... :? :(
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So I went through the pics again, and here is Mike from the Thriller era up to 2005, so there is 20 years in between and a lot of faces, yet we end up with... the same face yet some years older with some work on the nose. I don't see anything other changed, but maybe that's just me.
EXACTLY. In my opinion the only things that have changed are skin tone, nose (a bit), hairstyle, age and weight. He HONESTLY doesn't look THAT different. Thanks for this Souza! With L.O.V.E
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Only chinese grow old without changing ! :lol:
That's not true. I'm part Chinese, even Chinese people change when they get old. It's HUMAN NATURE :D Only plastic people grow old without changing :lol:
LOL!! Only American Indians grow old without changing!!! Im part american indian and 40 yrs old and I look the same as when I was 20. Seriously. My brother is the same way.
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The lips look just a very little different at O2 because of the way he puts on the lipliner (to fill it up with lipstick).
yeah
lips are the same but on the right there is a red line of makup place OUT of the lips
Exactly, make-up can look a bit different each day if you look close.
In this photo indeed the lipstick was a little OUT of the lips, which make the lips look a little different ... ;) If you take a good look you see the lips on both pictures are just the same.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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Good black don't crack! Hahah omgah i had too.
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Only chinese grow old without changing ! :lol:
That's not true. I'm part Chinese, even Chinese people change when they get old. It's HUMAN NATURE :D Only plastic people grow old without changing :lol:
LOL!! Only American Indians grow old without changing!!! Im part american indian and 40 yrs old and I look the same as when I was 20. Seriously. My brother is the same way.
LOL Everyone changes at some point when they get old. My mom is half Chinese & half White, she looks exactly the same as she did when she was 20 as well, she's 46 now. My dad is Samoan & he's 49 about to turn 50 & he doesn't look it at all. I'm hoping to take after them, I'm 22 right now & people think I still look 15-17 :lol: But it's more of an individual thing. Some people are lucky to have good skin, good health etc & they age beautifully. Others not so much. You can't really make such a generalized statement about a certain race of people because each individual ages differently. I have a lot of Native friends & some of them look 40 when they're not even 30 yet. Others are 60 & look 30. Same with other people I know or have seen who are other races. It just depends.
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Only chinese grow old without changing ! :lol:
That's not true. I'm part Chinese, even Chinese people change when they get old. It's HUMAN NATURE :D Only plastic people grow old without changing :lol:
LOL!! Only American Indians grow old without changing!!! Im part american indian and 40 yrs old and I look the same as when I was 20. Seriously. My brother is the same way.
LOL Everyone changes at some point when they get old. My mom is half Chinese & half White, she looks exactly the same as she did when she was 20 as well, she's 46 now. My dad is Samoan & he's 49 about to turn 50 & he doesn't look it at all. But it's an individual thing. Some people are lucky to have good skin, etc & they age beautifully. Others not so much. You can't make a generalized statement about a certain race of people because each individual ages differently. I have a lot of Native friends & some of them look 40 when they're not even 30 yet. Others are 60 & look 30. Same with other people I know or have seen who are other races. It just depends.
VERY TRUE
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Thanks guys.
I was like.. "CHIN IMPLANTS!?! :? Lolwutrotflmaobbq"
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Everytime we have a thread about doubles with some pictures, I often see people say "well, Michael had some work done, that changes your face". Did he really change himself that much? I don't think so.
So I went through the pics again, and here is Mike from the Thriller era up to 2005, so there is 20 years in between and a lot of faces, yet we end up with... the same face yet some years older with some work on the nose. I don't see anything other changed, but maybe that's just me.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi1.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi2.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi3.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi4.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi5.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi6.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/psi7.jpg)
All i can say is GORGEOUS GORGEOUS GORGEOUS. He melts me to the core. sigh..........and im 49 yrs old. sigh...
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The difference in the time of Thriller and the other photos are the eyebrows, can be viewed differently depending upon the amount of makeup you have, now the chin implant in the person of 02 is more pronounced in comparison to the photo that next door and I see the mouth a little different but the lipstick this very badly placed, I think Michael is very careful in those details. I believe that the rate of 02 is not Michael, as for the implant on the chin, perhaps surgery has made some small dishes
Differences have them doubles. :lol:
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I wish i could have eyes like his.. i think i might have plastic surgery myself. I want my jawline and mouth better than it is and also work done on my eyes to make them bigger.
If Michael did it, then maybe i should improve too.
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I think over the years Michael's chin has become more prominent. He has a very distinct chiseled square chin. Also it seems that his teeth have become more pointy over time. They were more square and straighter when he was younger. It seem like the thing that has changed the most is the cleft in the chin. Sometimes it looks really deep and sometimes it doesn't. I also noticed that his nose recently went back to looking more fuller. He has changed his hair alot too but you can still tell it's him. I think around 2001 when he did the anniversary special he was using botox and fillers. He was also more heavier in 2001. That's the changes I've notice.
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I think over the years Michael's chin has become more prominent. He has a very distinct chiseled square chin. Also it seems that his teeth have become more pointy over time. They were more square and straighter when he was younger. It seem like the thing that has changed the most is the cleft in the chin. Sometimes it looks really deep and sometimes it doesn't. I also noticed that his nose recently went back to looking more fuller. He has changed his hair alot too but you can still tell it's him. I think around 2001 when he did the anniversary special he was using botox and fillers. He was also more heavier in 2001. That's the changes I've notice.
I agree.
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I wish i could have eyes like his.. i think i might have plastic surgery myself. I want my jawline and mouth better than it is and also work done on my eyes to make them bigger.
If Michael did it, then maybe i should improve too.
Michael didn't have surgery on his eyes. Quite a few of his siblings have the big eyes too. He's always had them. & I don't get what the fascination with having big eyes is? My eyes are big & I don't see why people want to make theirs bigger? I don't mind my eyes, they are fine. Big, almond shaped & hazel. But I did get teased a little bit when I was younger for having big eyes. It didn't bother me. But I just really don't understand you wanting to change your eyes. The grass is always greener on the other side. I saw Jessica Simpson's new show when she was in Japan & there was a girl she was talking to who was about to have surgery to make her eyes bigger. I find it weird, sorry. I think if someone has a flaw that they don't like, like a crooked or wide nose, or something like that plastic surgery is fine. But when people start doing it to completely alter their image & become more like someone else or try to create a new face, it's really unhealthy. I think MJ only changed his nose & his cleft. & I agree he may have experimented with botox & fillers. But that's it.
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I wish i could have eyes like his.. i think i might have plastic surgery myself. I want my jawline and mouth better than it is and also work done on my eyes to make them bigger.
If Michael did it, then maybe i should improve too.
Michael didn't have surgery on his eyes. Quite a few of his siblings have the big eyes too. He's always had them. & I don't get what the fascination with having big eyes is? My eyes are big & I don't see why people want to make theirs bigger? I don't mind my eyes, they are fine. Big, almond shaped & hazel. But I did get teased a little bit when I was younger for having big eyes. It didn't bother me. But I just really don't understand you wanting to change your eyes. The grass is always greener on the other side. I saw Jessica Simpson's new show when she was in Japan & there was a girl she was talking to who was about to have surgery to make her eyes bigger. I find it weird, sorry. I think if someone has a flaw that they don't like, like a crooked or wide nose, or something like that plastic surgery is fine. But when people start doing it to completely alter their image & become more like someone else or try to create a new face, it's really unhealthy. I think MJ only changed his nose & his cleft. & I agree he may have experimented with botox & fillers. But that's it.
I agree. There are so many things in my looks that I'd like to change and have been wanting to do so since I was a teenager but I just don't think I could. Hair and such yes but implants and stuff? I would probably not be happy anyway so why waste the money? Michael has the most beautiful eyes without any surgery done to them but he (or his make up artist) know how to enhance them even more with make up and that's something we could all do easily ;) . Notice how we love all Michael's looks? That's because his beautiful soul shines through. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and to me love makes the imperfect (which we all are) person perfect.
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Michael didn't have surgery on his eyes. Quite a few of his siblings have the big eyes too. He's always had them. & I don't get what the fascination with having big eyes is? My eyes are big & I don't see why people want to make theirs bigger? I don't mind my eyes, they are fine. Big, almond shaped & hazel. But I did get teased a little bit when I was younger for having big eyes. It didn't bother me. But I just really don't understand you wanting to change your eyes. The grass is always greener on the other side. I saw Jessica Simpson's new show when she was in Japan & there was a girl she was talking to who was about to have surgery to make her eyes bigger. I find it weird, sorry. I think if someone has a flaw that they don't like, like a crooked or wide nose, or something like that plastic surgery is fine. But when people start doing it to completely alter their image & become more like someone else or try to create a new face, it's really unhealthy. I think MJ only changed his nose & his cleft. & I agree he may have experimented with botox & fillers. But that's it.
Ah yes, you pretty much just said what I've always said. People (especially people who work in a certain media..) seem to forget how eyeliner and eye makeup can really enhance and alter your eye's appearance. Haven't you guys ever noticed that during the Dangerous era, there were times when his eyes looked small comapared to normal, like the Dangerous pic Souza posted? They never really looked like that again- it was liner.
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Michael didn't have surgery on his eyes. Quite a few of his siblings have the big eyes too. He's always had them. & I don't get what the fascination with having big eyes is? My eyes are big & I don't see why people want to make theirs bigger? I don't mind my eyes, they are fine. Big, almond shaped & hazel. But I did get teased a little bit when I was younger for having big eyes. It didn't bother me. But I just really don't understand you wanting to change your eyes. The grass is always greener on the other side. I saw Jessica Simpson's new show when she was in Japan & there was a girl she was talking to who was about to have surgery to make her eyes bigger. I find it weird, sorry. I think if someone has a flaw that they don't like, like a crooked or wide nose, or something like that plastic surgery is fine. But when people start doing it to completely alter their image & become more like someone else or try to create a new face, it's really unhealthy. I think MJ only changed his nose & his cleft. & I agree he may have experimented with botox & fillers. But that's it.
Ah yes, you pretty much just said what I've always said. People (especially people who work in a certain media..) seem to forget how eyeliner and eye makeup can really enhance and alter your eye's appearance. Haven't you guys ever noticed that during the Dangerous era, there were times when his eyes looked small comapared to normal, like the Dangerous pic Souza posted? They never really looked like that again- it was liner.
So true. Makeup definitely can do magic to the eyes. & Makeup artists know how to apply the makeup just right to give a certain look. I wear makeup every now & then when I'm going somewhere, only eyeliner & mascara & my eyes sometimes look smaller & other times I make them pop (as in stand out) by applying my makeup differently. When I put my liner on the inner lid it makes my eyes seem wider & but they don't stand out as much. When I dramatize them & put the liner on the outside they stand out & it brings out the color (hazel) & accentuates the almond shape. & then different shades of eyeshadow can change the appearance of the eye too. That's what MJ's makeup did. It enhanced his eyes. No surgery at all. & the lips are just another makeup trick. Lipliner & lipstick. If you have thin lips & you line your lips outside the natural line & then fill them in with lipstick, they will appear fuller. However, if you line them on the natural line, they will still look thin. Also, if you apply some blush right under your cheekbones it will create shadow & give the appearance of high cheekbones. & if you already have high cheekbones like myself & MJ, applying the blush a certain way can accentuate them. There's all kinds of makeup tricks. How to make your lips look fuller, how to make your eyes appear smaller/bigger, how to make your face appear slimmer, how to make your cheekbones stand out, etc. Makeup can really make your appearance a bit different.
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The lips look just a very little different at O2 because of the way he puts on the linliner (to fill it up with lipstick).
All Michael IMO.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
YES i agree with you
Those are all such gorgeous pics of Michael and i am in agreement he did not change much in appearance at all. He just got better and better looking with age if you ask me!!!
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I hate this topic.
People takes MJ for a monster but i clearly understand his choice about surgery since i'm not really helped about my face. :oops:
I also don't see so many change between 1985 - 1995 and 2005.
Judging face change with 10 years space between pictures is completely stupid.
Fallowing this, i see change the way he moves and sings in concert.
In 1985, he was like a teenage, singing and moving like hell.
In 1995, he was only moving with most of playback
And for the last video just before his "death", he was moving like a 50 years old man in good health (like stalone, swarzenegger or other old actors).
He was just a common man for me !
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If you see Michael at the Christian Audigier birthday party he doesn't look very different from the 2005 photo. This is the real Michael.
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He looks gorgeous, no matter what. Damn that man is so hot!!
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He looks gorgeous, no matter what. Damn that man is so hot!!
Iam in TOTAL agreement
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I do not think it's a lack of respect for Michael, unlike what is shown is that there is such a large number of surgeries as the media says, is the change that has anyone with the passage of time 8-)
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Ok, this thread is 2 weeks or more old. I am just seeing it, so I want to comment. Just to say, thanks for this post. The inflated number of surgeries reported always perturbed me. Also people believing some rediculous stories, (ie: MJs nose falling off). So, thanks for the somewhat realistic discussion. One love.
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He looks gorgeous, no matter what. Damn that man is so hot!!
Absolutely correct, Rowdyangel. For me, MJ at 50 in TII, melted me to the core. That man is sooooooooooooo gorgeous at any age. MJ is sheer male perfection to me! ;)
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I remember when that Martin dude was interviewing Michael, Michael said he had 2 surguries done on his nose. I know one of those came from him tripping over a cord (or Joe's leg) during some era, which ended as a broken nose, so the other surgury came from...
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He looks good either way to me. I dont care how many surgeries he had. His life, his choice, and his business.
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He looks good either way to me. I dont care how many surgeries he had. His life, his choice, and his business.
Same here! :D (coming from an almost 14 yr old.) Every time I see a picture of him, I start to blush! He's so cute!!!! :D
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I remember when that Martin dude was interviewing Michael, Michael said he had 2 surguries done on his nose. I know one of those came from him tripping over a cord (or Joe's leg) during some era, which ended as a broken nose, so the other surgury came from...
Sometimes it is necessary to "correct" a plastic surgery, because after a few years time after the 1st one you might notice that something isn´t right (for example with the cartilage or the scars...).
I know about that... :)
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Good black don't crack! Hahah omgah i had too.
:lol: :lol: :lol: i read through this thread and just have to agree with you. i read a lot of stuff like mike had an eye lifting, bags removed under his eyes, whatever...i don't think any of it is true. nose - yes, chin - yes (doubt the chin implant, tho), botox 'maybe', fillers yes. the rest of the face changed because of aging. mike said it himself: 'it's called aging. my face squared out with age.' (batshit docu)
here's my argument: i was married to an afro-american, he's 13 years older than me. i'll be 45 this year, so i'm in a similar 'age range' here. i have crow's feet, bags under the eyes developing and a distinct line going down from the side of my nose. my ex-hubby, except for 'squaring out', has less wrinkles than me, no bags under eyes. only his salt&pepper beard will tell that he's even older than me. we have a son whose face shape has changed drastically in the past year into 'squaring out', he's 19 now. i have a lot of afro-american family and if i didn't know their ages, you couldn't tell, cuz 'black don't crack', absolutely right! janet jackson is a year younger than me, she looks 20, i look my age...and i don't think janet had anything else done other than her nose (at least not in her face).
mike's skin looked white but the skin was still afro-american underneath. means no or little wrinkles here, thus no lifting necessary.
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We can't deny Michael has had quite a lot of plastic surgeries and it's OK, you can't undo the past. All I can say is that I find MJ very attractive, then AND now.
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My sister in law is black and her skin is very smooth - she is 45 - there is no way on God's green earth that she would ever need a facelift - unlike her white counterparts, some of who are quite lucky and don't look their age, but on the whole, black people's skin ages much better than white people (imho).
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Chin implant? :|
Can you explain this a bit better? To me, it just seems like he lost the baby fat on his face...
exactly...there was no chin implant...he just grew up...like everyone else does
So many people wanna say he all this work done, but they're just looking at pics from dif angles/poses/lighting...if anyone actually examines these pics they can tell that it's the same Mike...2 nose jobs and added a chin cleft...that's what he said and that's what i see...why can't we just believe Michael?
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Most mens faces square out, in the jaw area as they grow into men & age. Regardless of race, it is just natural. My uncle is half black/half white & when he was younger his jaw was very narrow, but as he got older & became a man, his face started to square out, now he's about 49 & his jaw is very pronounced & square, it looks quite different from when he was a child, but the rest of his face looks the same, just older. The same thing is happening to a lot of my guy friends, my brothers & some of my cousins & they are all of different races, mixed backgrounds. It's called AGING. :roll: MJ did have surgeries on his nose but when he says 2, I believe him, that's obvious. He had his cleft more defined & that's all I see. His whole family has the high cheekbones, so naturally he has them too. I don't believe he had a chin implant at all, since I have seen with my own eyes how males age & that seems to be what happened there with MJ, & his eyes are the same. He may have had botox once or multiple times, but who in Hollywood doesn't? He probably did it to keep the wrinkles away, if he even had any. Also, his mouth doesn't seem different to me either. As for the teeth looking different sometimes like some people have discussed before, that doesn't mean anything, we don't know his dental history, whether he had a bunch of cavities or anything. Maybe he had some dental work done. That's really minor. It also happens with age or if you lived your whole life LOVING sweets ;) ]But to me, I think they're the same. That's just what I see clearly with my own eyes by looking instead of listening to what the media says or letting other people form opinions for me. Anything else the media tries to say is a load of BS, obviously we've learned that they'll say anything.
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Chin implant? :|
Can you explain this a bit better? To me, it just seems like he lost the baby fat on his face...
exactly...there was no chin implant...he just grew up...like everyone else does
So many people wanna say he all this work done, but they're just looking at pics from dif angles/poses/lighting...if anyone actually examines these pics they can tell that it's the same Mike...2 nose jobs and added a chin cleft...that's what he said and that's what i see...why can't we just believe Michael?
According to Michael Jackson himself he did alter his chin, he wrote it in his book.
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Chin implant? :|
Can you explain this a bit better? To me, it just seems like he lost the baby fat on his face...
exactly...there was no chin implant...he just grew up...like everyone else does
So many people wanna say he all this work done, but they're just looking at pics from dif angles/poses/lighting...if anyone actually examines these pics they can tell that it's the same Mike...2 nose jobs and added a chin cleft...that's what he said and that's what i see...why can't we just believe Michael?
According to Michael Jackson himself he did alter his chin, he wrote it in his book.
Yes, it is obvious he did alter his chin,
but it does not look like a full-blown implant.
To me, it seems like he just had his clef defined.
That's all.
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^ Yeah, Loma, I was wondering what kind of operation he got to make that cleft? Does anyone know?
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Cleft Chin Creation
Cleft Chin Creation may be done through a surgical technique that might separately or collectively utilize surgical implants, modify bone structure, or remove skin and fat tissue. This procedure is made to attain facial symmetry, enhance appearance, and help the patient achieve his ideal look.
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Oh, thanks, Mo! I wonder which of those 3 he used? Ah well, it's not important, but I thought it was kinda interesting.
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I have no idea which one he used, but all three procedures would leave scars and/or bone alteration which should have been noticed during the autopsy. In case an implant was placed it should have been found during the autopsy as well.
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Thank you Mo. :P
I'm not sure which type of procedure he got done,
but I'm leaning towards the Bone Structure one,
simply because it got more defined as he lost weight,
but that happens anyways as people age.
The scarring though could have been cleared up by Klein too.
Agh I'm just thinking out loud now.
We'll never know unless his doc spills the beans someday..
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Yeah, I thought the bone one, too. That would mean they lifted his skin and made a little cleft-shape in the chin area of his skull, right?
And yeah, Mo, no one even noticed that there was no mention of ANY kind of chin scar or implant in that "autopsy"..
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Yeah, I thought the bone one, too. That would mean they lifted his skin and made a little cleft-shape in the chin area of his skull, right?
Ugh It makes me cringe thinking of it, but yeah. That's what it seems like.
I've gotten a scar removed with a lazer, but would that show up on an autopsy report?
Michael could have had the same thing done to his chin..
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Urgh, I know, I am so incredibly squeamish about innards and gory stuff.. I always say that I don't like horror flicks because they'll make me hurl, not get scared..
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Urgh, I know, I am so incredibly squeamish about innards and gory stuff.. I always say that I don't like horror flicks because they'll make me hurl, not get scared..
Haha I'm not, it's just imagining them doing it to Mr. Jackson is.. Ugghhhh. :(
To answer my own question, ( :lol: )
Everyone I've asked thinks that a scar removed with a lazer wouldn't show
up on an autopsy report. I guess the could have done it to Michael then. :/
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Chin implant? :|
Can you explain this a bit better? To me, it just seems like he lost the baby fat on his face...
exactly...there was no chin implant...he just grew up...like everyone else does
So many people wanna say he all this work done, but they're just looking at pics from dif angles/poses/lighting...if anyone actually examines these pics they can tell that it's the same Mike...2 nose jobs and added a chin cleft...that's what he said and that's what i see...why can't we just believe Michael?
According to Michael Jackson himself he did alter his chin, he wrote it in his book.
looking at different sigs and gifs i really think there was no chin implant. mike always had a prominent chin area and i think it just squared out with age and also, he had lost weight in the past 10 yrs, so his cheeks became a little hollow and the chin even more prominent.
regarding an implant: that could also be done with silicone strips. a friend of mine had a bad accident and lost part of her upper lip. the lipline was reconstructed with silicone strips implanted along the lipline (so it wouldn't be flat there). but: any such implant would have def been in the report. so i think the cleft was either done by abrasion of the bone or possibly by intentionyl scarring, means the cut will be prevented from proper healing creating the cleft. but if you look at close up portraits, you can see a scar right behind the chin. there is one somewhere from the bad-tour (w/blue shirt, maybe from soundcheck?), where he looks up and you can def see it there. if i find it again, i'll post it here.
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I see upper lip enhancement
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I see upper lip enhancement
Yes, but you don't need surgery for that.
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I see upper lip enhancement
Yes, but you don't need surgery for that.
Depends on your definition of surgery. To me, putting something in your body which is alien like Botox or fillers is surgery to me.
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IMO this thread kinda ridculous, who cares about platic surgery :?
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IMO this thread kinda ridculous, who cares about platic surgery :?
I dont know, some people do. Im interested to know why he did it.. as someone said, if thats going on on the outside... what is going on on the inside???
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I'm actually curious at to what he did.
I don't find any fault in that. :geek:
Moving on...
In the medical field, surgery refers to
a procedure involving cutting/stapling.
Your opinion is totally cool and valid.
If he got his lips filled, it must have not needed
much down time, just like a couple days
with bandages. That's all.
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Chin implant? :|
Can you explain this a bit better? To me, it just seems like he lost the baby fat on his face...
exactly...there was no chin implant...he just grew up...like everyone else does
So many people wanna say he all this work done, but they're just looking at pics from dif angles/poses/lighting...if anyone actually examines these pics they can tell that it's the same Mike...2 nose jobs and added a chin cleft...that's what he said and that's what i see...why can't we just believe Michael?
According to Michael Jackson himself he did alter his chin, he wrote it in his book.
yeah that's where i got it...it says "I have had my nose altered twice and I recently added a cleft to my chin, but that is it" (229). That's what i said in my post...he added the cleft, but not a actual implant...sorry if U misunderstood me or I you...I end up doing that alot...lol...my bad if that's the case :lol:
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And this one:
http://www.youtube.com/godena#p/a/u/1/43fNOEgoMLk (http://www.youtube.com/godena#p/a/u/1/43fNOEgoMLk)
Your videos are awesome hun!! :)
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the only differences i see are in his nose and the cleft in his chin. his eyes,lips,bone structure all looks exactly the same to me as they did 30 years ago.
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Chin implant? :|
Can you explain this a bit better? To me, it just seems like he lost the baby fat on his face...
exactly...there was no chin implant...he just grew up...like everyone else does
So many people wanna say he all this work done, but they're just looking at pics from dif angles/poses/lighting...if anyone actually examines these pics they can tell that it's the same Mike...2 nose jobs and added a chin cleft...that's what he said and that's what i see...why can't we just believe Michael?
According to Michael Jackson himself he did alter his chin, he wrote it in his book.
yeah that's where i got it...it says "I have had my nose altered twice and I recently added a cleft to my chin, but that is it" (229). That's what i said in my post...he added the cleft, but not a actual implant...sorry if U misunderstood me or I you...I end up doing that alot...lol...my bad if that's the case :lol:
He did have a cleft added...a cleft chin implant. He wasn't lying....he didn't have an "implant" he had a cleft put in...a cleft chin implant!
http://www.plasticsurgeryportal.com/articles/cleft-chin-surgery/75
Those born with a cleft chin have a dimple not just in their skin, but in the bone beneath it. To “correct” or fill a cleft chin, a small chin surgery, or chin augmentation, can be used to reshape the underlying area. Your surgeon may use real bone or a synthetic implant. The chin implant is placed below the mentalis muscle (the muscle of your chin) to round out the shape of the chin. Meanwhile, if you’re looking to create a chin dimple, special implants that create the appearance of a cleft are used. Side effects of either type of chin surgery may include swelling and minimal scarring. Chin surgeries are typically non-reversible.
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I agree with you he didn't change a lot...Nose job, his chin (don't know the name in english sorry) and the upper lip...And probably taking age like every one of us :cry: :P
Everytime we have a thread about doubles with some pictures, I often see people say "well, Michael had some work done, that changes your face". Did he really change himself that much? I don't think so.
So I went through the pics again, and here is Mike from the Thriller era up to 2005, so there is 20 years in between and a lot of faces, yet we end up with... the same face yet some years older with some work on the nose. I don't see anything other changed, but maybe that's just me.
Oh, thank you thank you for this thread! Way before the 25th I was CONSTANTLY trying to point this out to people that just won't stop with the "oh everyone knows he's had 15 nose jobs, 10 cheek injections"- UGH! I noticed right away that he's barely changed- His nose only looked different from its original form to the Thriller era and it's still the SAME nose from 86/7 to now! It's just makeup, Botox from time to time and fakes coming out that cause confusion and media crap..
I agree 100% and it used to drive me crazy whenever I'd hear people talk about the "many" surgeries he's had done. But I also think the media fed people this lie as well. We've all seen pictures where they said it was Michael and it was clearly one of his impersonators (I'm not talking the 02) which fed this belief even more. I will believe MIchael - I think he said he's had two nose surgeries. I know people who have had more than one nose surgery because the first one wasn't properly done or needed more work. Oh well - why don't people talk about Joan Rivers, Kenny Rogers, Pricilla Presley, etc, etc, etc......
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I don't care how many surgeries he has had or not had. He is still Michael Jackson and I love him! I know it is human nature to be curious and I understand that, but he is the same Michael on the inside that he has always been.
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I don't care how many surgeries he has had or not had. He is still Michael Jackson and I love him! I know it is human nature to be curious and I understand that, but he is the same Michael on the inside that he has always been.
I agree completely. Michael has gone under the knife and it's obvious, no one can deny that, but that doesn't matter because in the end of the day, he is still The King of Pop. We'll never agree on how much surgeries he has had, let alone find out, so this debate will not get us anywhere.
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I'm sorry but am I the only one who was doubled over with laughter while reading this? I hate participating in convos about his surgeries because honestly, being in the public eye during such crucial times in our lives (like puberty) and being scrutinized because you're changing in ways that you have no control of, would trash almost anyone's self esteem. Then, you throw vitiligo into the equation---OMG!!!! It looks to me like the things that he attempted to "fix" (not change) were done in an effort to balance out what the skin disorder caused. Furthermore, MJ should've moonwalked all over the a$$ of the 3rd doctor who tampered with his nose. What a greedy, unethical bastard!!! I don't care if he walked in there and demanded it, it was morally wrong for that doctor to take his money and agree to do it KNOWING that he shouldn't have.
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Agreed, he aint changed that much, and would be even less apparant change if it wasn't for vitiligo...i am just 3 years younger than Michel, and i hve changed more than he has and iv'e had no surgery lol
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Hmmm i don't really see any difference all i can see is the cleft,cheekbones look diff and and his eyebrows are arched plus his hairdo and age that's all i can see a difference in :D .
Either way he's still beautiful and gorgeous to us right :D ;)
Great comparisons guys hmmm great work you all ;)