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Title: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 20, 2010, 12:46:13 PM
I am new here and I did not want to get anyone upset at me for jumping right in and starting something but I believe with all of my heart that this thread needs to be here, needs to be seen by you all. I'm not sure who all here is familiar with the TV movie "The Jacksons an American Dream" but if you have seen it and know about the infamous little known actor named Wylie Hughes Draper Jr. that plays older Michael in this movie then you will have also heard of young Wylie's tragic death from Leukemia years ago. I hesitated long and hard about bringing Wylie into this because I love him with all of my heart and I am just someone who has been a fan a long time and I live a short driving distance from where he is laid to rest. I tend his flowers if they are old or out of place and I pray near him often for peace, for some sort of sign or absolution, anything. But my point is this: There is very little to nothing hard and factual known about Wylie and before I started tending his flowers this past year, no one had been to visit him for years, not since he was laid to rest in 1993 which brings me to the drama of this. Wylie Hughs Draper supposedly passed away on December 20th 1993, the same month, day and year that Neverland was ascended upon by all of the cops and nut balls hounding Michael. Wylie Hughes Draper Jr. was a dead ringer for Michael Jackson and sang and danced well enough to fool the masses and with little to no trouble could have had his face altered to be even more of a look a like:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... anner1.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/mjwyliebanner1.jpg)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... er44n1.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/wyliedraper44n1.jpg)

Also there has for some reason been efforts by someone to keep Wylie's resting place a secret and I went through hell finding it. It is listed on the Find a Grave site at the WRONG cemetery and people continue to think that site is correct but it is not. Trust me I leave flowers for Wylie all the time. Every time you try and search info on Wylie or his family there comes a dead end with nothing more than the fact that he worked on a cruise ship, is a Draper Jr., Went to High School in Macon Georgia and that he had leukemia and worked on the Remember The Time video with Michael. He is in fact very visible in the Dangerous Short films DVD in that video and of course in the Jacksons American Dream movie. There are photos of him posing with the Jackson family including Katherine and Joseph and Jermaine but never Michael, never near or beside Michael. Something stinks about this, I just feel it. The fact that he is said to have died on that scary day December 20th 1993 is just to much of a coincidence for me because that day is the day that Michael Jackson's life took a horrible turn. Any other imput on this matter will highly interest me and I think others as well.
Nefari
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: loyalfan on April 20, 2010, 01:01:53 PM
so what exactly are you saying....????
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: jacilovesmichael on April 20, 2010, 01:08:46 PM
That's all very interesting.

It could be nothing, but it could be something too.

He could have given up his life as he knew it to be a full-time MJ "Doppleganger".

Or, maybe he really was sick, but just didn't die...yet.

Could have been him that died on June 25th.

That would support the theory that SOMEONE died that day, just not Michael.

IMO, Wylie was the only one who has ever come close to portraying Michael in a believable way. And especially if he had surgery...
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 20, 2010, 01:15:10 PM
to loyalfan:
All I am saying is that it is soooo odd the death date of Wylie being the exact same as the Neverland Invasion and the fact that it's so obvious there is mystery behind Wylie's death as well as Michael's. If Wylie in fact had no real family to answer to or for and was someone who lived his whole life wanting to be like Michael *Yes he even walked the halls of his High School drama dept. wearing "The Glove"* then how far would Wylie have gone for Michael? It's all a bit fascinating and strange.
Nefari
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: OneLove on April 20, 2010, 01:44:27 PM
There is like no way the kid died literally right after that movie came out, he had too much spunk in him, that's the same thing that happened to Michael, except it was the following day. But i'm not jumping to any 'conclusions.' The picture of him at Hayvenhurst withholds a lot of mystery.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: Kirsche on April 20, 2010, 01:46:04 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
That's all very interesting.

It could be nothing, but it could be something too.

He could have given up his life as he knew it to be a full-time MJ "Doppleganger".

Or, maybe he really was sick, but just didn't die...yet.

Could have been him that died on June 25th.

That would support the theory that SOMEONE died that day, just not Michael.

IMO, Wylie was the only one who has ever come close to portraying Michael in a believable way. And especially if he had surgery...


hm...so you think that he did the promo tours etc, or better it was him  when he worn the mask? So maybe the Amb pic IS real, but it is not Michael? hmm...IDK..I mean it could explain why it looked like it was made in the 90s, but I don't know.  I believe that he really died on that day...Maybe this was reallly just a coincedence.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: the arabian nights on April 20, 2010, 01:54:12 PM
wasnt he shorter than mike?
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: voiceforthesilent on April 20, 2010, 01:58:26 PM
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
That's all very interesting.

It could be nothing, but it could be something too.

He could have given up his life as he knew it to be a full-time MJ "Doppleganger".

Or, maybe he really was sick, but just didn't die...yet.

Could have been him that died on June 25th.

That would support the theory that SOMEONE died that day, just not Michael.

IMO, Wylie was the only one who has ever come close to portraying Michael in a believable way. And especially if he had surgery...

Very, very interesting. I wonder how we can investigate this further. Any ideas?

hm...so you think that he did the promo tours etc, or better it was him  when he worn the mask? So maybe the Amb pic IS real, but it is not Michael? hmm...IDK..I mean it could explain why it looked like it was made in the 90s, but I don't know.  I believe that he really died on that day...Maybe this was reallly just a coincedence.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: frogh777 on April 20, 2010, 02:02:06 PM
I searched for some information:
http://bestofmichaeljackson.jclondon.com/2009/08/04/the-boy-who-played-micheal-jackson-on-tv-died-wylie-hughes-draper-jr/

This is very intrsting!
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 20, 2010, 02:10:28 PM
There is so little info about Wylie especially family. I keep coming up with the same old same old info over and over again. Disney, the Cruise ship, his High School, but nothing really involving. His death was more like just a "poof" off the face of the earth and I swear to you all, those flowers I replaced when I started tending his crypt last year had cob webs on them and smelled ancient!!!! And this is a well kept sparkling clean mausoleum. No one is visiting Wylie at all because I check on him all the time.
Peace
Nefari
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: the arabian nights on April 20, 2010, 02:15:42 PM
sad
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: dmovie27 on April 20, 2010, 02:20:57 PM
Strange.

Is that supposed to be him in that Motown 25 photo because I believe that's the real Michael.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 20, 2010, 02:50:00 PM
dmovie27:
No that's Wylie. The glove was only worn on one hand at the Motown performance, never switched around by Michael, and Wylie always wore his glove on the opposite hand from MJs during this performance. Wylie was heavier in the face than Michael and somewhat more boyish looking, more of a pout in a cutesy way than Michael. I'll see if I can dig up Michael's photo from the Motown gig and post it in this thread.
Peace
Nefari
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 20, 2010, 02:57:27 PM
Here is Michael's Motown photo pose like the Wylie one I posted earlier, note the glove on opposite hand and MJ is thinner

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... ewylie.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/80s_627mjlikewylie.jpg)
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on April 20, 2010, 02:59:28 PM
Quote from: "nefari"
dmovie27:
No that's Wylie. The glove was only worn on one hand at the Motown performance, never switched around by Michael, and Wylie always wore his glove on the opposite hand from MJs during this performance. Wylie was heavier in the face than Michael and somewhat more boyish looking, more of a pout in a cutesy way than Michael. I'll see if I can dig up Michael's photo from the Motown gig and post it in this thread.
Peace
Nefari


So youre saying that its Wylie performing at Motown 25 and NOT MJ?
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 20, 2010, 03:03:04 PM
No!!! LOL!!! Wylie performed the movie version of the Motown show and that is where the Wylie photo came from. Michael did the real Motown show. But Wylie took a photo shot pose as close to MJs as he could.
Nefari
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on April 20, 2010, 03:04:41 PM
Quote from: "nefari"
No!!! LOL!!! Wylie performed the movie version of the Motown show and that is where the Wylie photo came from. Michael did the real Motown show. But Wylie took a photo shot pose as close to MJs as he could.
Nefari


Ok...I was confused there for a sec!! I was gonna kindly tell you that it WAS MJ at Motown 25!! LOL
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: JukeBox on April 20, 2010, 03:09:28 PM
hi. i promise i mean no offense, but the 2nd 'Wylie' photo looks like a laterally inverted pic of Michael, judging from the direction the hair is swept and everything. do you happen to have more pictures of Wylie? I do think that this is potentially a good area to investigate
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 20, 2010, 03:13:19 PM
Jukebox:
Hi,
I assure you the 2 Motown performance photos are different people. One is Wylie from the Jacksons movie and one is MJ from the real live Motown show, not inverted at all because Wylie always wore that glove on that one hand. Photos of Wylie are hard to come by but I will see what I can find. I have Wylie's High School photo. Let me dig around my photobucket.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: JukeBox on April 20, 2010, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: "nefari"
Jukebox:
Hi,
I assure you the 2 Motown performance photos are different people. One is Wylie from the Jacksons movie and one is MJ from the real live Motown show, not inverted at all because Wylie always wore that glove on that one hand. Photos of Wylie are hard to come by but I will see what I can find. I have Wylie's High School photo. Let me dig around my photobucket.

ok thank you! I'm going to watch the American Dream movie now. :)
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 20, 2010, 03:24:23 PM
Wylie photos:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... ban1-1.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/wylieluv44ban1-1.jpg)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... raper5.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/wyliedraper5.jpg)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... wylie4.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/1eqluswylie4.jpg)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... 2wylie.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/2wylie.jpg)
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: the arabian nights on April 20, 2010, 03:28:49 PM
Quote from: "nefari"
Wylie photos:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... ban1-1.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/wylieluv44ban1-1.jpg)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... raper5.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/wyliedraper5.jpg)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... wylie4.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/1eqluswylie4.jpg)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... 2wylie.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/2wylie.jpg)

was he shorter

are you saying he is alive
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: mumof3 on April 20, 2010, 03:38:35 PM
You have given some very interesting information thankyou for putting the flowers there on the grave does he not have any family to do this for him it all seems odd that there is no information about him and his early death just maybe this another priece of the puzzle maybe he had more to do. Thanks for letting us know I wonder if Anybody can find anymore information on him
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 20, 2010, 03:43:38 PM
Here are 2 photos I threw together moments ago because I find them STRIKING, the factor of them being like doppleganger close. Wylie was so close with his face structure and eyes, etc...no doubt that his face could have served as a canvas for another Michael.
I did no altering of these photos. One is a poster of MJ from my wall and the other is Wylies Highschool photo.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... photo1.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/mjwyliecomparephoto1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: loyalfan on April 20, 2010, 03:49:13 PM
did joe jackson know wylie mum..????..................lol
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 20, 2010, 03:56:59 PM
mumof3:
Wylie as far as I can tell had no one, even though it was said he had a Brother or some relative that worked on the Jacksons movie. I can find no info on this "brother" or anyone else related to Wylie. Wylie's crypt is high on the mausoleum wall and yes it is a chore to get flowers up and down to him but I'm a perfect stranger and it is not impossible for someone who cares enough and I do it because if he in fact is in that crypt, then he deserves to be cared for as everyone else is. But I have found no solid proof or anyone to speak up and say I knew Wylie, yes he was deathly ill and yes he died. I wouldn't even care if someone yelled at me, took my head off if it meant they would show themselves and say Hey yeah I knew Wylie and went to his funeral etc....because Wylie gave his whole heart to portraying Michael in a wonderful way and I want to know that he had or has someone close in this world. But I care for his flowers because of only love.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: Do on April 20, 2010, 04:17:22 PM
Some info I found about family of Wylie. He did have a brother according to this article, named Al Desmond.

http://www.macon.com/2009/07/08/771477/ ... aning.html (http://www.macon.com/2009/07/08/771477/jackson-memorial-has-special-meaning.html)

and below a link to facebook where Al Desmond is talking about the participation of the Wylie Draper Foundation in Keeping the Dream Alive, a tribute to Michael Jackson which is taking place in London at june 25th

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wylie-Draper/91970879190 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wylie-Draper/91970879190)
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 20, 2010, 04:38:33 PM
Hi Do:
Thanks for a great effort but
I have seen all of that stuff before and on that one site link you posted I notice they are giving the wrong cemetery once again as Wylie's resting place. I understand maybe wanting to keep it like secret but Wylie is hardly in a position where just anyone without a 14 foot ladder can get to his crypt to vandalize it or hurt it and by that time I think someone would be at the mausoleum arresting someone lol. But yeah I have seen that Desmond guy's name around before and I dont know if he is a half brother or what, maybe adopted or renamed in the industry. So not really anything new and a lot of those are old posts on that one site.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: mumof3 on April 20, 2010, 05:15:31 PM
Quote from: "nefari"
mumof3:
Wylie as far as I can tell had no one, even though it was said he had a Brother or some relative that worked on the Jacksons movie. I can find no info on this "brother" or anyone else related to Wylie. Wylie's crypt is high on the mausoleum wall and yes it is a chore to get flowers up and down to him but I'm a perfect stranger and it is not impossible for someone who cares enough and I do it because if he in fact is in that crypt, then he deserves to be cared for as everyone else is. But I have found no solid proof or anyone to speak up and say I knew Wylie, yes he was deathly ill and yes he died. I wouldn't even care if someone yelled at me, took my head off if it meant they would show themselves and say Hey yeah I knew Wylie and went to his funeral etc....because Wylie gave his whole heart to portraying Michael in a wonderful way and I want to know that he had or has someone close in this world. But I care for his flowers because of only love.
I am glad you do go it seems strange that he acted and knew the jackson family and nothing much has been mentioned about him, i did hear that he had passed away but nothing else and it is very odd that they give the wrong info on the tomb site, you would have thought other michael fans would have done something for him or the jacksons themselves you might be on too something here, what a shame to die at that young age and nobody comes to the tomb apart form you if it did happen.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: Zen on April 20, 2010, 05:57:44 PM
When you mention the date and peculiar timing, I also think
of the date of Michael Jackson's "death" and the peculiar timing.
Not only the TTI, but the fact that Farrah Fawcett had passed
away earlier in the same morning I believe.
Like each event may have been factored in under the cover
of another event in hopes of some confusion.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: mjkate on April 20, 2010, 07:14:23 PM
I have wondered about this from the time I heard about Wylie's death as well. Wylie died on December 20th 1993 as Nefari mentioned and this was the exact same day that Micheal Jackson was strip searched at Neverland. Given that this was likely the most traumatic event he ever had to endure it is very coincidental. I could definitely understand why at that moment in time he wanted to disappear from the world and let someone else take over for awhile. We might be going down the wrong path but everything is on the table in this investigation. That is nice of you to visit the grave but very strange that no one visits???
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: scorpionchik on April 20, 2010, 08:55:24 PM
I have seen said movie for 3 times fully, and 3 more times half. I remember the boy who plays Michael.
Let me get this straight; did Wylie die in 1993 or did not?
What has this to do with Michael hoax? Maybe he died las June?
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: loveratheart4mj on April 20, 2010, 09:05:06 PM
Quote from: "nefari"
Here are 2 photos I threw together moments ago because I find them STRIKING, the factor of them being like doppleganger close. Wylie was so close with his face structure and eyes, etc...no doubt that his face could have served as a canvas for another Michael.
I did no altering of these photos. One is a poster of MJ from my wall and the other is Wylies Highschool photo.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... photo1.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/mjwyliecomparephoto1.jpg)


Just my opinion.....wylies eyes are more round where Michaels eyes are more almond shaped. but both very simular. I loved that movie by the way. Very good. Ive watched it twice.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: MJs Tinkerbell on April 20, 2010, 09:15:14 PM
Quote from: "loyalfan"
did joe jackson know wylie mum..????..................lol

:shock:
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: RK on April 20, 2010, 09:29:04 PM
I think wylie's hands and teeth are very similar to Mikes.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 20, 2010, 11:06:34 PM
scorpionchik:
That's what we don't know for sure. It is posted everywhere in any info that comes up that Wylie died on the exact date in Dec. 93 that Michael was invaded by the police and yes it's on his crypt that exact date but nobody visits his crypt or at least it appears that way and nobody that anyone can really trace or prove *or that is trustworthy* will come forth and say "Yes I knew Wylie and yes he died that day in 1993 from leukemia". I want hard proof not just some dude on the net saying he's a brother or whatever. Anyone can say anything online and unless I see some photos or something of people with Wylie then it is still a mystery. It is so odd how few photos there are of Wylie on the net, just stuff from that one movie about the Jacksons. Come on!! I'm a small town girl from Georgia and I have more photos on the net right now than a guy who played the part of Michael Jackson better than anyone in History. It makes no sense.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: bec on April 20, 2010, 11:14:32 PM
Take 15lbs off that kid and give him a little face work, he's perfect double material.

Weight loss drugs. Skin lightening cream. Recent ever present mask use. Frequent trips to plastic surgeon.  Like someone trying to be Michael Jackson who isn't Michael Jackson.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 21, 2010, 12:26:06 AM
There is just one contradiction to this though and of this I am 100 percent certain and I would stake my life on it. The Michael that appears in his Ghost short film is the exact same Michael from the J5 days on the Jacksons TV show and the same Michael that was on the Ed Sullivan show. You just cannot mimic a facial expression that has been done for that many years to a T and the same way each time. It's a goofy face that Michael has been making since his childhood and he did it in the Ghost movie when he was playing Maestro....and miraculously it still looked the same all these years after facial surgeries and alterations. This is still not to say though that there were not doubles being swapped in and out throughout his life or one definate double that died or took his place at some point.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: bec on April 21, 2010, 01:05:29 AM
Quote from: "nefari"
There is just one contradiction to this though and of this I am 100 percent certain and I would stake my life on it. The Michael that appears in his Ghost short film is the exact same Michael from the J5 days on the Jacksons TV show and the same Michael that was on the Ed Sullivan show. You just cannot mimic a facial expression that has been done for that many years to a T and the same way each time. It's a goofy face that Michael has been making since his childhood and he did it in the Ghost movie when he was playing Maestro....and miraculously it still looked the same all these years after facial surgeries and alterations. This is still not to say though that there were not doubles being swapped in and out throughout his life or one definate double that died or took his place at some point.

Agreed completely. At least at some points we have been seeing the same original Michael Jackson we've always known all throughout the last 25 years.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: foreverking on April 21, 2010, 01:24:20 AM
The one guy who played MJ better than anyone else, dies on one of the darkest days in MJ's life and no other information about Wylie can be found outside of his short show business life.
If I've learned one thing for the past 10 months is that nothing is a coincidence.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: lolittalempicka on April 21, 2010, 01:28:48 AM
Have you noticed that Wylie has a cleft ..... it just keeps me wonder was it the reason Michel had have one done too to make them look alike more like one another ? just a thought! :ugeek:  :ugeek:  :ugeek:  :?:  :!:
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: OneLove on April 21, 2010, 01:29:46 AM
Wylie's brothers twitter account

http://twitter.com/desdra (http://twitter.com/desdra)

Check out what he said when Michael died, do you think Wylie would not tell his family, or do we have another hoax on our hands?

Please do not harass him, i know we're trying to investigate, but we don't want to drive anyone away.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: the arabian nights on April 21, 2010, 04:16:56 AM
Quote
MAN THIS IS SO SURREAL MY BROTHER PORTRAYED MICHAEL IN THE JACKSON AN AMERICAN DREAM MOVIE HE PASSED OF LUKEMIE LIKE IM RELIVING IT ALL OVER
5:41 PM Jun 28th, 2009 via web

i dont understand what does he mean?
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: JukeBox on April 21, 2010, 04:33:03 AM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
Quote
MAN THIS IS SO SURREAL MY BROTHER PORTRAYED MICHAEL IN THE JACKSON AN AMERICAN DREAM MOVIE HE PASSED OF LUKEMIE LIKE IM RELIVING IT ALL OVER
5:41 PM Jun 28th, 2009 via web

i dont understand what does he mean?

I think he means, assuming Wylie passed, that he's reliving his bro's death. or it could mean, if Wylie didn't pass & he knows it, that he is reliving a hoax experience.

This is a tricky area I think... There's so much potential in Wylie being a double but if his passing was true I feel so guilty about even thinking of digging deeper...
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 21, 2010, 05:04:53 AM
I feel guilty too and I am very protective of Wylie but that one oddity just stands out and that is that death date being the date of the Neverland Raid on Michael. Very very odd. I wish there was a way of finding out more without causing a big ruckus about it because one way or another Wylie Draper was or is a gift given to MJ fans around the world.
Peace
Nefari
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on April 21, 2010, 08:23:54 AM
Maybe this is the twin brother everyone is talking about. Who knows.
I am just saying. They do look alike
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: Kirsche on April 21, 2010, 09:08:51 AM
Quote from: "all4loveandbelieve"
Maybe this is the twin brother everyone is talking about. Who knows.
I am just saying. They do look alike

yeah they do look alike but they do not look like Twins IMO
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: Dutch on April 21, 2010, 10:10:44 AM
The two images as posted from both Michael and Wylie in the same pose are not two different people, but 100% sure represent the same person. One image is mirrored and one of the images got a treatment in Photoshop (or any other editor). It appears the sharpness and exposure have been altered which create the idea of thinner/thicker as the difference between highlights and shadows get less when blowing the exposure.

Other evidence for this being the same image? Yes, there is. Look at other things besides the main character in the images. The background is absolutely the same. In the foreground there's audience, which are in both images the same.

Although small, in image http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... er44n1.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/wyliedraper44n1.jpg), in front of the right foot, there's a small part of the balding head of the person who appears more clear in image http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... ewylie.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/80s_627mjlikewylie.jpg)

Conclusion: Same person.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on April 21, 2010, 11:03:41 AM
Ive been thinking about this whole thread all night last night and I am just amazed.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: frogh777 on April 21, 2010, 11:09:18 AM
Quote from: "Dutch"
The two images as posted from both Michael and Wylie in the same pose are not two different people, but 100% sure represent the same person. One image is mirrored and one of the images got a treatment in Photoshop (or any other editor). It appears the sharpness and exposure have been altered which create the idea of thinner/thicker as the difference between highlights and shadows get less when blowing the exposure.

Other evidence for this being the same image? Yes, there is. Look at other things besides the main character in the images. The background is absolutely the same. In the foreground there's audience, which are in both images the same.

Although small, in image http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... er44n1.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/wyliedraper44n1.jpg), in front of the right foot, there's a small part of the balding head of the person who appears more clear in image http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... ewylie.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/80s_627mjlikewylie.jpg)

Conclusion: Same person.

nice! ;)
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: OneLove on April 21, 2010, 12:10:53 PM
No i don't think he's the twin, he's younger than Michael, in 1992 Michael had already went through Vitiligo and Wylie looked like Michael in the 80's. He looks a lot like him, but he's like him in the past. Unless he changed up his look, may have been the case.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: the arabian nights on April 21, 2010, 12:14:16 PM
can some one do a still of the film and  then lets have a look again
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: OneLove on April 21, 2010, 12:20:08 PM
I just found an article where Wylie's high school drama teacher said Wylie would tell friends that "he was going to be Jackson one day."
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: foreverking on April 21, 2010, 12:30:14 PM
Quote from: "Dutch"
The two images as posted from both Michael and Wylie in the same pose are not two different people, but 100% sure represent the same person. One image is mirrored and one of the images got a treatment in Photoshop (or any other editor). It appears the sharpness and exposure have been altered which create the idea of thinner/thicker as the difference between highlights and shadows get less when blowing the exposure.

Other evidence for this being the same image? Yes, there is. Look at other things besides the main character in the images. The background is absolutely the same. In the foreground there's audience, which are in both images the same.

Although small, in image http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... er44n1.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/wyliedraper44n1.jpg), in front of the right foot, there's a small part of the balding head of the person who appears more clear in image http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... ewylie.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/80s_627mjlikewylie.jpg)

Conclusion: Same person.
I'm not too sure about that. In the film,Wylie does Billie Jean and he strikes the same pose as MJ. The film makers made sure the recreation was as close as possilbe and if you go back and watch that scene, you'll see they had it down to the front people in the audience and the background.
This person who visits his resting place seems very ligit and has done their reserach very well. Wylie was very good as the MJ of the 80's and if you notice as someone pointed out, he has a clef in his chin. MJ had the clef put in around 1991-92, right around the time Wylie started filming the American dream. Of course MJ had started his battle with vidiligo (excuse my spelling), but the same cream that MJ used to even out his skin Wylie could use to change his skin.
It sounds crazy, but what's even more strange is the fact that this young man died without any notice by the public in 1993, a year after the movie aired. Most didn't know he was dead until MJ supposely died. It's as if he just disappeared.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: OneLove on April 21, 2010, 12:33:21 PM
Someone should make Wylie a Wikipedia page. That's not fair that he doesn't have one!
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: the arabian nights on April 21, 2010, 12:44:18 PM
[youtube:8cqvy1of]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9POJ9z8iDQ0[/youtube:8cqvy1of]

this is the real deal

[youtube:8cqvy1of]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXhy7ZsiR50[/youtube:8cqvy1of]
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: pick_a_boo on April 21, 2010, 12:48:38 PM
Here are the lyrics of the song Privacy
What caught my attention is the 3rd verse

Ain’t the pictures enough
Why do you go through so much
To get the stories you need
So you can bury me
You got the people confused
You tell the stories you choose
You try to get me to lose
The man I really am

You keep on stalking me
Invading my privacy
Won’t you just let me be
Cos you cameras can’t control
The minds of those who know
That you’ll even sell your soul
Just to get your story sold

I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
So paparazzi (yeah, yeah)
Get away from me (yeah, yeah)

Some of you still wonder why
One of my friends had to die


I always wondered which friend was he talking about cause you know that michael sings alot about what happened in his life.Could this friend be Wylie?

To get the message across
That yet you haven’t heard


Was he planning this since at least the incincible album?

My friend was chased and confused
Like many others I knew
But on that cold winter night

Could this be refering to the time when police invaded Neverland?

My pride was snatched away

She get no second chance
She ridiculed and harassed
Please tell my why (oh no)
Now there’s a lesson to learn
Respects not given it’s earned
Stop maliciously attacking my integrity

I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
So paparazzi (yeah, yeah)
Just get away from me (yeah, yeah)

Now there’s a lesson to learn
Stories are twisted and turned
Stop maliciously attacking my integrity

I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
So paparazzi (yeah, yeah)
Just get away from me (yeah, yeah)

I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
So paparazzi (yeah, yeah)
Just get away from me (yeah, yeah)


My privacy (yeah, yeah)
My privacy (yeah, yeah)
My privacy (yeah, yeah)
My privacy (yeah, yeah)

Do you guys think this song could be a link to Wylie? Could he be the friend that he is talking about in the 3rd verse?
I always thought that this song means something because his voice is like shouting when he sings. you can tell he's hurt and pissed off.
tell me what you think please

Kisses and hugs!
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: the arabian nights on April 21, 2010, 12:50:26 PM
ouch - sorry mike

[youtube:7w15hvan]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYmsT_MBxwQ[/youtube:7w15hvan]

are we doing what the paps have done? are we what mike hated? :?
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: JukeBox on April 21, 2010, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: "pick_a_boo"
Here are the lyrics of the song Privacy
What caught my attention is the 3rd verse

Ain’t the pictures enough
Why do you go through so much
To get the stories you need
So you can bury me
You got the people confused
You tell the stories you choose
You try to get me to lose
The man I really am

You keep on stalking me
Invading my privacy
Won’t you just let me be
Cos you cameras can’t control
The minds of those who know
That you’ll even sell your soul
Just to get your story sold

I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
So paparazzi (yeah, yeah)
Get away from me (yeah, yeah)

Some of you still wonder why
One of my friends had to die


I always wondered which friend was he talking about cause you know that michael sings alot about what happened in his life.Could this friend be Wylie?

To get the message across
That yet you haven’t heard


Was he planning this since at least the incincible album?

My friend was chased and confused
Like many others I knew
But on that cold winter night

Could this be refering to the time when police invaded Neverland?

My pride was snatched away

She get no second chance
She ridiculed and harassed
Please tell my why (oh no)
Now there’s a lesson to learn
Respects not given it’s earned
Stop maliciously attacking my integrity

I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
So paparazzi (yeah, yeah)
Just get away from me (yeah, yeah)

Now there’s a lesson to learn
Stories are twisted and turned
Stop maliciously attacking my integrity

I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
So paparazzi (yeah, yeah)
Just get away from me (yeah, yeah)

I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
So paparazzi (yeah, yeah)
Just get away from me (yeah, yeah)


My privacy (yeah, yeah)
My privacy (yeah, yeah)
My privacy (yeah, yeah)
My privacy (yeah, yeah)

Do you guys think this song could be a link to Wylie? Could he be the friend that he is talking about in the 3rd verse?
I always thought that this song means something because his voice is like shouting when he sings. you can tell he's hurt and pissed off.
tell me what you think please

Kisses and hugs!

hi pick_a_boo, i think what u said kinda makes sense! if 'one of' his 'friends had to die' and if he's referring to Wylie, then he'd have planned this way b4 invincible, b4 Wylie 'died'.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: the arabian nights on April 21, 2010, 01:48:36 PM
lets not jump to conclusions about wylie? we dont know what his exposure was like.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on April 21, 2010, 02:04:22 PM
Do we have any good pics of Wylies ears?
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 21, 2010, 03:43:20 PM
The 2 images are totally different people because of the glove. No matter how you arrange the photo, the glove doesn't just jump off and change hands from left to right and so forth. Watch the actual DVD of Michael at the Motown show and then watch the one Wylie did and you will see, 2 different people and performances.
Peace
Nefari
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: alwayslove on April 21, 2010, 03:55:42 PM
I like this Topic @nefari :)

I don't Know how to insert images here :oops:

But this is a link from a Pic.Maybe somebody can insert it here???? :|

http://www.classiqueproductions.com/pages/PAGE563N.HTM (http://www.classiqueproductions.com/pages/PAGE563N.HTM)
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: the arabian nights on April 21, 2010, 04:04:01 PM
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur ... s%3Disch:1 (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://bestofmichaeljackson.jclondon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/wylie-Draper-played-Micheal-Jackson-died-2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://bestofmichaeljackson.jclondon.com/2009/08/04/the-boy-who-played-micheal-jackson-on-tv-died-wylie-hughes-draper-jr/&usg=__8rYKkDFTwupzjpaye9amRb3qj80=&h=320&w=306&sz=24&hl=en&start=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=dmGRIqmRRkcJlM:&tbnh=118&tbnw=113&prev=/images%3Fq%3DWylie%2BHughes%2BDraper%2Band%2Bmichael%2Bjackson%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-gb:IE-ContextMenu%26rlz%3D1I7ADBS_en%26tbs%3Disch:1)


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Wylie Hughes Draper Jr. who portrayed Michael Jackson died R.I.P
August 4, 2009

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CLICK the link to see pix of him

Wylie Draper, the actor who portrayed Michael Jackson in the mini-series, “The Jacksons: An American Dream,” died a year after the program aired.  Draper died from a rare form of leukemia.

 
Wylie Draper RIP - Click to Buy DVD

Mini Biography

Wylie Hughes Draper Jr. was born May 5 1969 in West Virginia. He seemed destined for stardom from the very start, at the age of ten Wylie’s brother Desmond would throw parties at a local skating rink where Wylie would dance like Michael Jackson often becoming the main attraction at the party!

Childhood

Even as a child many people noted the strong resemblance between Wylie and Michael Jackson, but as Wylie grew his focus from the arts shifted and as a teen he became a football player at Northside high school, but he changed his focus again back to the arts his Sophomore year, his drama teacher recalls him as a “Consummate student” and said he “Would teach forever if I had a class full of Wylies”.

 
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College & Audition

After graduating Wylie attended Point Park College to hone his craft even more, during summers he worked as lead dancer at Disney World and lead entertainer on Norwegian cruise lines. Around this time Wylie auditioned and won the role as adult Michael Jackson in the television film “The Jacksons an American dream”. A local hairstylist has recalled Wylie as being extremely calm and humble about his audition for the role of Michael Jackson, as he styled Wylie’s hair to look more like Michael Jackson’s he remembers the young man sitting in the chair listening to comedy tapes laughing!

Other Acting Roles

Not much is known about Wylie’s life after his role as Michael Jackson, but it is apparent that his stellar performance did not lead to more lucrative film offers. He had a small role in another television film “The disappearance of Christina”, was a dancer in Michael Jackson’s video “Remember the time” and another dancer in the cable show “The Red Shoe Diaries”, which aired after his death.

 
Wylie Draper RIP Leukemia

Around 1993 Wylie was diagnosed as having a rare form of Leukemia, it is not known how long he battled illness or how he battled the disease, but what is known is that Wylie a talented young man with a bright future ahead of him was taken way too soon, he died December 20th 1993 in Los Angeles, California, at the age of 24, with very little media fanfare.

Michael Jackson’s Death sparks interest

After the death of Michael Jackson and the subsequent showings of the “The Jackson an American dream”, the public fascination with the young man who brilliantly portrayed Jackson in the film has grown, most fans expressed world-wide shock and disbelief at not knowing Wylie had passed in 1993, there are two face book tributes dedicated to his memory, a you tube tribute video and rumors of an upcoming website dedicated to Wylies memory. The young man famous for one film role has not been forgotten and managed to touch the lives of many.

i think this guy is gone - yes too soon and an excellent talent - god bless him x
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: mjkate on April 21, 2010, 04:28:17 PM
I always wondered why the brothers wore the glove on different hands at the memorial/burial. I thought maybe it was because they were left or right handed or had another reason that we wouldn't be privy to but maybe it has something to do with 2 people and 2 seperate gloved hands. As you said Nefari....Michael wore it one one hand for that performance on the 25th and then when Wylie did he changed hands. For the record I have never heard the song privacy but those are some pretty startling lyrics. I'll have to think on that for awhile but can't help but think there is a major clue there. I just keep loving Michael more and more as I hear about everything he had to endure. I don't think there have been many people who have led the kind of life he did. I don't think he would mind us dissecting all of this. He left behind clues for us and I think he would be sad if no one picked up on them. He would understand that in an investigation nothing is off limits...that is the only way to truly figure it all out.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 21, 2010, 04:31:39 PM
I think Wylie is probably gone just because of the peace I feel when I visit the crypt, like he's really there, but that date of death still just haunts me as something very important in the entire puzzle of Michael's life and "death".
Peace
Nefari
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nynyro on April 21, 2010, 05:35:16 PM
Does anyone know if anyone reported Mike visiting Wylie before he died of leukemia?
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: Dancing_Machine on April 21, 2010, 06:07:56 PM
Quote from: "mjkate"
I always wondered why the brothers wore the glove on different hands at the memorial/burial. I thought maybe it was because they were left or right handed or had another reason that we wouldn't be privy to but maybe it has something to do with 2 people and 2 seperate gloved hands. As you said Nefari....Michael wore it one one hand for that performance on the 25th and then when Wylie did he changed hands. For the record I have never heard the song privacy but those are some pretty startling lyrics. I'll have to think on that for awhile but can't help but think there is a major clue there. I just keep loving Michael more and more as I hear about everything he had to endure. I don't think there have been many people who have led the kind of life he did. I don't think he would mind us dissecting all of this. He left behind clues for us and I think he would be sad if no one picked up on them. He would understand that in an investigation nothing is off limits...that is the only way to truly figure it all out.

A human being has only 2 hands, so if they didn't wear the glove on their right hand they would wear it on their left hand. I don't think the hand on wich they wore the glove has to mean anything.
I think it just has to do with being righthanded or lefthanded.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: mjkate on April 21, 2010, 06:48:32 PM
yes I agree if it were a pencil....I thought that at first to but then I thought longer about it and wondered if it could mean something else too. I'm just not sure wearing a glove would follow along the same lines as holding a pencil since there is no dexterity involved in wearing a glove. I thought they would just wear it on the hand Michael wore it on. I don't know of too man people who only wear one glove. I was not a huge fan of Michael so I don't know if he switched hands or not. It could really have many meanings or it could have none. Thanks for commenting though!
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 21, 2010, 06:58:32 PM
As far as I know Michael did alternate hands the glove was on from time to time so thats no real big deal but it distinguishes the two Motown performance photos apart, thats the only thing. Wylie in the movie wore it on the opposite hand from where Michael wore it in the actual real performance.
Peace
Nefari
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: Dutch on April 22, 2010, 02:26:18 AM
@Nefari:

Which hand is wearing the glove in both pictures? Right, the hand that holds the microphone. The two images are identical, one is just a mirrored copy of the other.

Although I can not support it with evidence, but I do know a thing or two about (digital) editing of imagery as it occupies me 10 hours/day (it's my profession). The mirroring as has been done with this image I do as well when appropriate. If a customer supplies me with images that have to be used and the motion of one of the image flows the wrong direction (drawing attention away from main content), I also flip it. This mirroring of images happens all the time on webpages, in tabloids, newspapers etc. Even in motion graphics mirroring is quite common as long there are no dead give aways like for example text which would appear mirrored and creating some disturbance (thus drawing away focus again). And even mirrored text can be fixed quite easily without the audience even noticing the movie clip has been altered.

Edit:
In a very fast and hasty manner I made a little collage in which the similarities I described above become more visible.

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2a7s8ic.jpg)
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: foreverking on April 22, 2010, 03:05:32 AM
Quote from: "Dutch"
@Nefari:

Which hand is wearing the glove in both pictures? Right, the hand that holds the microphone. The two images are identical, one is just a mirrored copy of the other.

Although I can not support it with evidence, but I do know a thing or two about (digital) editing of imagery as it occupies me 10 hours/day (it's my profession). The mirroring as has been done with this image I do as well when appropriate. If a customer supplies me with images that have to be used and the motion of one of the image flows the wrong direction (drawing attention away from main content), I also flip it. This mirroring of images happens all the time on webpages, in tabloids, newspapers etc. Even in motion graphics mirroring is quite common as long there are no dead give aways like for example text which would appear mirrored and creating some disturbance (thus drawing away focus again). And even mirrored text can be fixed quite easily without the audience even noticing the movie clip has been altered.
After looking at the two videos. It looks like it is a mirror image. Wyile did a great job, but if you look real hard, you can see they are the same image. The pants are bending at the same place, and the shirt on Wyile is slightly different from MJ's.

But Wylie could still be his double. With a little surgery and skin cream.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: reasonables+luvs+MJ on April 22, 2010, 05:54:27 AM
I think that after this whole hoax thing is over with, Michael is going to announce people that we thought were in on it, who we knew are in in it, and who we never imagined to be included... this one would go under... thought, but maybe knew! ;)

C.otains
O.ptional
I.nformation
N.ot
C.raxy
I.ncidents
D.emanding
E.motional
N.aive
C.razed
E.nforcements
______________
coincidence???
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: Java on April 22, 2010, 07:38:45 AM
Quote from: "nefari"
I am new here and I did not want to get anyone upset at me for jumping right in and starting something but I believe with all of my heart that this thread needs to be here, needs to be seen by you all. I'm not sure who all here is familiar with the TV movie "The Jacksons an American Dream" but if you have seen it and know about the infamous little known actor named Wylie Hughes Draper Jr. that plays older Michael in this movie then you will have also heard of young Wylie's tragic death from Leukemia years ago. I hesitated long and hard about bringing Wylie into this because I love him with all of my heart and I am just someone who has been a fan a long time and I live a short driving distance from where he is laid to rest. I tend his flowers if they are old or out of place and I pray near him often for peace, for some sort of sign or absolution, anything. But my point is this: There is very little to nothing hard and factual known about Wylie and before I started tending his flowers this past year, no one had been to visit him for years, not since he was laid to rest in 1993 which brings me to the drama of this. Wylie Hughs Draper supposedly passed away on December 20th 1993, the same month, day and year that Neverland was ascended upon by all of the cops and nut balls hounding Michael. Wylie Hughes Draper Jr. was a dead ringer for Michael Jackson and sang and danced well enough to fool the masses and with little to no trouble could have had his face altered to be even more of a look a like:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... anner1.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/mjwyliebanner1.jpg)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... er44n1.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/wyliedraper44n1.jpg)

Also there has for some reason been efforts by someone to keep Wylie's resting place a secret and I went through hell finding it. It is listed on the Find a Grave site at the WRONG cemetery and people continue to think that site is correct but it is not. Trust me I leave flowers for Wylie all the time. Every time you try and search info on Wylie or his family there comes a dead end with nothing more than the fact that he worked on a cruise ship, is a Draper Jr., Went to High School in Macon Georgia and that he had leukemia and worked on the Remember The Time video with Michael. He is in fact very visible in the Dangerous Short films DVD in that video and of course in the Jacksons American Dream movie. There are photos of him posing with the Jackson family including Katherine and Joseph and Jermaine but never Michael, never near or beside Michael. Something stinks about this, I just feel it. The fact that he is said to have died on that scary day December 20th 1993 is just to much of a coincidence for me because that day is the day that Michael Jackson's life took a horrible turn. Any other imput on this matter will highly interest me and I think others as well.
Nefari

Which cemetery is Wylie in?
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: Java on April 22, 2010, 08:03:13 AM
Quote from: "nefari"
I am new here and I did not want to get anyone upset at me for jumping right in and starting something but I believe with all of my heart that this thread needs to be here, needs to be seen by you all. I'm not sure who all here is familiar with the TV movie "The Jacksons an American Dream" but if you have seen it and know about the infamous little known actor named Wylie Hughes Draper Jr. that plays older Michael in this movie then you will have also heard of young Wylie's tragic death from Leukemia years ago. I hesitated long and hard about bringing Wylie into this because I love him with all of my heart and I am just someone who has been a fan a long time and I live a short driving distance from where he is laid to rest. I tend his flowers if they are old or out of place and I pray near him often for peace, for some sort of sign or absolution, anything. But my point is this: There is very little to nothing hard and factual known about Wylie and before I started tending his flowers this past year, no one had been to visit him for years, not since he was laid to rest in 1993 which brings me to the drama of this. Wylie Hughs Draper supposedly passed away on December 20th 1993, the same month, day and year that Neverland was ascended upon by all of the cops and nut balls hounding Michael. Wylie Hughes Draper Jr. was a dead ringer for Michael Jackson and sang and danced well enough to fool the masses and with little to no trouble could have had his face altered to be even more of a look a like:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... anner1.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/mjwyliebanner1.jpg)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/ ... er44n1.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/wyliedraper44n1.jpg)

Also there has for some reason been efforts by someone to keep Wylie's resting place a secret and I went through hell finding it. It is listed on the Find a Grave site at the WRONG cemetery and people continue to think that site is correct but it is not. Trust me I leave flowers for Wylie all the time. Every time you try and search info on Wylie or his family there comes a dead end with nothing more than the fact that he worked on a cruise ship, is a Draper Jr., Went to High School in Macon Georgia and that he had leukemia and worked on the Remember The Time video with Michael. He is in fact very visible in the Dangerous Short films DVD in that video and of course in the Jacksons American Dream movie. There are photos of him posing with the Jackson family including Katherine and Joseph and Jermaine but never Michael, never near or beside Michael. Something stinks about this, I just feel it. The fact that he is said to have died on that scary day December 20th 1993 is just to much of a coincidence for me because that day is the day that Michael Jackson's life took a horrible turn. Any other imput on this matter will highly interest me and I think others as well.
Nefari

The search of Neverland was in August 1993 not December 1993
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: mjkate on April 22, 2010, 08:14:07 AM
It was the horrible strip search of MJ that happened on December 20 1993 at the Neverland Ranch which is the exact date that Wylie died.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: foreverking on April 22, 2010, 10:46:08 AM
And leading up to that horrible December day, was the press tearing MJ apart piece by piece. They had him guility before any charges were filed and poor MJ, who was in the middle of a tour had to be re-thinking this whole fame thing, so maybe he  contacted Wylie and made him an offer he could not refuse.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: looking4truth on April 22, 2010, 11:35:14 AM
Hmmm...this is interesting. What in the world is happening?  :lol: I feel like I'm in the twilight zone/Truman show/Moonwalker rolled up into one. This is all so dang on surreal. I said it in another thread. I got to say it again. I think things are starting to add up.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: the arabian nights on April 22, 2010, 02:58:29 PM
help me your doing the maths - whats the answer?
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: Truth_or_Dare on April 22, 2010, 03:33:54 PM
Quote from: "pick_a_boo"
Here are the lyrics of the song Privacy
What caught my attention is the 3rd verse

Ain’t the pictures enough
Why do you go through so much
To get the stories you need
So you can bury me
You got the people confused
You tell the stories you choose
You try to get me to lose
The man I really am

You keep on stalking me
Invading my privacy
Won’t you just let me be
Cos you cameras can’t control
The minds of those who know
That you’ll even sell your soul
Just to get your story sold

I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
So paparazzi (yeah, yeah)
Get away from me (yeah, yeah)

Some of you still wonder why
One of my friends had to die


I always wondered which friend was he talking about cause you know that michael sings alot about what happened in his life.Could this friend be Wylie?

To get the message across
That yet you haven’t heard


Was he planning this since at least the incincible album?

My friend was chased and confused
Like many others I knew
But on that cold winter night

Could this be refering to the time when police invaded Neverland?

My pride was snatched away

She get no second chance
She ridiculed and harassed
Please tell my why (oh no)
Now there’s a lesson to learn
Respects not given it’s earned
Stop maliciously attacking my integrity

I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
So paparazzi (yeah, yeah)
Just get away from me (yeah, yeah)

Now there’s a lesson to learn
Stories are twisted and turned
Stop maliciously attacking my integrity

I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
So paparazzi (yeah, yeah)
Just get away from me (yeah, yeah)

I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
So paparazzi (yeah, yeah)
Just get away from me (yeah, yeah)


My privacy (yeah, yeah)
My privacy (yeah, yeah)
My privacy (yeah, yeah)
My privacy (yeah, yeah)

Do you guys think this song could be a link to Wylie? Could he be the friend that he is talking about in the 3rd verse?
I always thought that this song means something because his voice is like shouting when he sings. you can tell he's hurt and pissed off.
tell me what you think please

Kisses and hugs!

I always thought he was talking about Princess Diana in those verses. She did die hunted by paparazzi.. .
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: the arabian nights on April 22, 2010, 03:37:41 PM
but the diana factor had other factors - lack of seat belts - she would have lived they say if she wore one, and the driver was going to fast
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 22, 2010, 04:06:49 PM
I think Michael was talking about Princess Di in that song about his friend passing away. And just a note to everyone PMIng me asking me to take photos of Wylie's crypt etc....I will not invade his privacy like that just as I would not go taking photos of any celebrity grave or crypt as that is not something that needs to be scattered all over the place. I do not have to prove myself in telling the truth about visiting Wylie as I know what I do or do not do and that is all that matters. I'm not saying this to be mean or disrespectful to anyone but if someone really wants to visit Wylie, if I found where he is then so could anyone because I am just a small town lady, certainly no detective lol
Peace
Nefari
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: bubaliciousjlb on April 22, 2010, 05:32:48 PM
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"
Quote from: "mjkate"
I always wondered why the brothers wore the glove on different hands at the memorial/burial. I thought maybe it was because they were left or right handed or had another reason that we wouldn't be privy to but maybe it has something to do with 2 people and 2 seperate gloved hands. As you said Nefari....Michael wore it one one hand for that performance on the 25th and then when Wylie did he changed hands. For the record I have never heard the song privacy but those are some pretty startling lyrics. I'll have to think on that for awhile but can't help but think there is a major clue there. I just keep loving Michael more and more as I hear about everything he had to endure. I don't think there have been many people who have led the kind of life he did. I don't think he would mind us dissecting all of this. He left behind clues for us and I think he would be sad if no one picked up on them. He would understand that in an investigation nothing is off limits...that is the only way to truly figure it all out.

A human being has only 2 hands, so if they didn't wear the glove on their right hand they would wear it on their left hand. I don't think the hand on wich they wore the glove has to mean anything.
I think it just has to do with being righthanded or lefthanded.


i believe that the glove is important jermaine and larry king made it a point to talk about the glove and let everyone know that he only used one glove. heres the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbpY2XiN ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbpY2XiNaJQ&feature=related). starting at about .45 .
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 22, 2010, 05:53:01 PM
The Motown performance photos in question do seem to be the same after that very professional and much appreciated comparison above *finally something more concrete pertaining to those photos* BUT it does not take away from the way Wylie looked in the actual movie and the fact that still remains...the glove being worn on opposite hands during that performance by Michael and Wylie. It may not mean anything but it may mean something. And those photos surface a lot in various books etc....many times being reversed like that so what is up with that...why the need to keep reversing them.
Peace
Nefari
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: MJonmind on April 23, 2010, 02:58:49 AM
I was just thinking about how much trust MJ would have to have in a double. If the first allegation of sexual abuse and raid of Neverland happened in August 93 would he really have another person stand in his place a few months later in Dec., knowing that this person could slip up in some way and then he Michael would have to shoulder the blame and punishment for it. Especially since he knew human nature only too well, he was surrounded by smoothtalkers and backstabbers, and family members who sexually cheated many times. Many of the closest friends of MJ have had fall-outs, disagreements especially over payments. I know now I'm going in the direction of the doppleganger but I don't mean to. I think Michael only used doubles if it was obvious or for dangerous stunts, or brief stand-ins but not major performances, etc.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: MashMike on April 23, 2010, 03:55:05 AM
MJonmind wrote:I was just thinking about how much trust MJ would have to have in a double. If the first allegation of sexual abuse and raid of Neverland happened in August 93 would he really have another person stand in his place a few months later in Dec., knowing that this person could slip up in some way and then he Michael would have to shoulder the blame and punishment for it. Especially since he knew human nature only too well, he was surrounded by smoothtalkers and backstabbers, and family members who sexually cheated many times. Many of the closest friends of MJ have had fall-outs, disagreements especially over payments. I know now I'm going in the direction of the doppleganger but I don't mean to. I think Michael only used doubles if it was obvious or for dangerous stunts, or brief stand-ins but not major performances, etc.


Totally agree, it would have been too risky
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: simalves on April 23, 2010, 05:51:00 AM
Quote from: "bubaliciousjlb"
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"
Quote from: "mjkate"
I always wondered why the brothers wore the glove on different hands at the memorial/burial. I thought maybe it was because they were left or right handed or had another reason that we wouldn't be privy to but maybe it has something to do with 2 people and 2 seperate gloved hands. As you said Nefari....Michael wore it one one hand for that performance on the 25th and then when Wylie did he changed hands. For the record I have never heard the song privacy but those are some pretty startling lyrics. I'll have to think on that for awhile but can't help but think there is a major clue there. I just keep loving Michael more and more as I hear about everything he had to endure. I don't think there have been many people who have led the kind of life he did. I don't think he would mind us dissecting all of this. He left behind clues for us and I think he would be sad if no one picked up on them. He would understand that in an investigation nothing is off limits...that is the only way to truly figure it all out.

A human being has only 2 hands, so if they didn't wear the glove on their right hand they would wear it on their left hand. I don't think the hand on wich they wore the glove has to mean anything.
I think it just has to do with being righthanded or lefthanded.


i believe that the glove is important jermaine and larry king made it a point to talk about the glove and let everyone know that he only used one glove. heres the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbpY2XiN ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbpY2XiNaJQ&feature=related). starting at about .45 .

If you look closely at them bringing the coffin in - they wear the glove on the hand that is holding the coffin - so if it is 5 of them, it has to be 3+2 to balance it out.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: bubaliciousjlb on April 23, 2010, 08:48:00 AM
i believe that the glove is important jermaine and larry king made it a point to talk about the glove and let everyone know that he only used one glove. heres the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbpY2XiN ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbpY2XiNaJQ&feature=related). starting at about .45 .[/quote]

If you look closely at them bringing the coffin in - they wear the glove on the hand that is holding the coffin - so if it is 5 of them, it has to be 3+2 to balance it out.[/quote]


yes but the majority wears the glove on the left hand as did michael. even elizabeth taylor wore her one glove on the left hand at the burial.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: foreverking on April 23, 2010, 06:02:06 PM
I don't think he would use a double for performances, but he may have used the double for other public outings and appearances.  

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Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: Zen on April 24, 2010, 01:18:28 PM
Unless double was trusted family friend or family member
with similar interest at stake.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: the arabian nights on April 24, 2010, 04:42:31 PM
why would a young man want to shadow mike for the rest of his life, why would mike a young man then agree to this

a cage is a cage - even if made of gold
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: Zen on April 24, 2010, 06:52:35 PM
by the arabian nights » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:42 pm
why would a young man want to shadow mike for the rest of his life, why would mike a young man then agree to this

a cage is a cage - even if made of gold


Yes, you are right, but then again, "what kid wouldn't give his
right arm to fulfill his wildest childhood dreams".   :)
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: the arabian nights on April 25, 2010, 03:15:14 AM
yeap but forever

what about his needs
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: Grace on April 25, 2010, 03:21:49 AM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
why would a young man want to shadow mike for the rest of his life, why would mike a young man then agree to this

a cage is a cage - even if made of gold

Money has bought more in the world than golden cages.
As long as there is demand, supply will be provided.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: the arabian nights on April 25, 2010, 06:49:41 AM
but are you short changing this young man how do you know that his life could be sold
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 25, 2010, 07:10:43 AM
I want to know exactly when the video Remember the Time was made because Wylie was clearly in that video with Michael and they did not look alike at that time, not that Wylie could not have applied Make up, cream etc...and looked like Michael but I'm just saying skin color was wayyyy opposite at this time during this video.
Peace
Nefari
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: Datroot on April 25, 2010, 07:11:56 AM
Quote from: "nefari"
I want to know exactly when the video Remember the Time was made because Wylie was clearly in that video with Michael and they did not look alike at that time, not that Wylie could not have applied Make up, cream etc...and looked like Michael but I'm just saying skin color was wayyyy opposite at this time during this video.
Peace
Nefari


I thought E'Cass was in that video.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 25, 2010, 07:14:41 AM
I'm not saying Wylie was playing Michael in that video. Wylie was one of the Egyptian dancers in the video. E Cass may have been in it too but I dont know anything about it.
Peace
Nefari
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: Jacksonology on April 26, 2010, 12:40:02 AM
this is very interesting! and E'Cas did fill in for Michael in some scenes for Remember The Time due to a ankle injury Michael had. He also filled in for Michael in Who Is It, and Leave Me Alone (MJ on the Rocket is E'cas and other scenes) music video due to Scheduling conflicts.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: somekindofsign on April 26, 2010, 09:52:59 AM
Nefari, your thread is really interesting. Thank you very much.
I don´t know what it all means, but it´s really curious.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on April 26, 2010, 09:59:17 AM
Thanks but I think now that I have become a bit involved in reading the Rockwell thread on this forum that there's a stronger chance of something going on with that. I believe my little sweetie Wylie is passed away and we have a huge coincidence here with the death date of Wylie etc...there's just something with visiting his crypt. I just feel like he's definately there. But the Rockwell mystery.....that's getting more and more odd by the day.
Peace
Nefari
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: somekindofsign on April 26, 2010, 10:37:52 AM
Ok nefari.
Between the curious fact that Wylie suppossedly died then (which I believe but didn´t know), and the Rockwell thing, I see more interesting the first. But it´s me.  ;)
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: Zen on May 15, 2010, 11:28:24 PM
Sorry to break the Sunflower epidemic, but Nefari if you are still
on this forum I have some questions, and I will ask two:
IS Wiley buried in Georgia and why?  What his connection
to Georgia?
and no offense, but HOW did you find where he was buried
when the sources give another site?

You do not have to give the actual site, if you don't feel comfortable
divulging.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on May 16, 2010, 12:31:40 AM
Zen I knew the town he is laid to rest in well because I live close to it. I just went today and took him Sunflowers as a matter of fact but I found him by just stumbling onto the wrong cemetery, searching and walking my arse off and coming to the conclusion I had the wrong place so then I got on the phone and made some calls. That's all I'm saying. Like I say I'm a small town gal and if I found him anyone can. But for some reason they have a lot of info wrong on that find a grave site and not just about him but a lot of other people too not even to do with Michael or any of this so it's really not that odd that the info is wrong. If it wasn't for the peace I get tending to Wylie and knowing I'll be put to rest there one day I swear I don't think I could get through this Michael ordeal. It's just too much but having Wylie as sort of a guardian angel, it helps me cope, it really does.
Wylie went to HS in Georgia and used to wear his glitter glove as he walked the halls and went to his drama dept. His High School was in GA.
Peace
Nefari
Title: Did wylie really die?
Post by: MagentaLOVES on December 28, 2010, 04:55:29 PM
I see most of you are Wylie Draper fans, and so am I.. AND WE ALL KNOW HE DID GREAT in the Jacksons movie, but then later on died, i believe a year afterwards!,so everyday we question ourselves as to did MJ really have a double or not, well most of us do, and this thought ran across my mind, what if Wylie never actually died but became an official MJ double for the rest of his life?, i know sounds crazy,right?, but we dont know maybe it really happened, i mean the boy could move just like MJ and kind of resembled MJ s well except for the nose, and that where surgery came in, what do you guys think?, help me settle my mind on one theory...LOL
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: techdiva on December 28, 2010, 05:18:22 PM
You may be on to something. If he had Leukemia, then it would show during the taping of the Jackson movie. I know he did another movie titled "The Disappearance of Christina." But check this out. I just saw on his IMDB he was a dancer in "Red Shoes Diaries" and he was a dancer in Michael Jackson "Remember the Time" video.  OMG!! Remember the Time came out in 1995.  Here's the link to his IMDBhttp://www.imdb.com/name/nm0237186/
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: SoldierofLOVE on December 28, 2010, 05:24:09 PM
:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Wow.  Just wow.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: nefari on December 28, 2010, 05:26:36 PM
He looked ill to me during Remember the Time, very thin and he had an over all ill look IMO during that video. There are many close ups of Wylie during the Dangerous short films DVD. And it's not a random spirit I feel every time I stand in that mausoleum and cry. It's something not of this world. If I didn't know better I would say it's Michael there but Wylie I'm sure also has this sort of light. I do not feel cold or dark there, only peace and love. Nothing lifts my spirits and makes me want to continue this quest like visiting Wylie's crypt.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: truthprevails on December 28, 2010, 05:27:14 PM
Quote from: "techdiva"
You may be on to something. If he had Leukemia, then it would show during the taping of the Jackson movie. I know he did another movie titled "The Disappearance of Christina." But check this out. I just saw on his IMDB he was a dancer in "Red Shoes Diaries" and he was a dancer in Michael Jackson "Remember the Time" video.  OMG!! Remember the Time came out in 1995.  Here's the link to his IMDBhttp://www.imdb.com/name/nm0237186/

That's odd, because Wylie is said to have died on Dec. 20, 1993. He was born in May 1969 and so he was almost 11 years younger than MJ... I think that would make it hard for him to be a double for MJ.

Here's the Wylie Draper Foundation:
http://thewyliedraperfoundation.com/ (http://thewyliedraperfoundation.com/)
According to this website, Wylie was diagnosed with leukemia shortly after the airing of the Jackson mini series - so it wouldn't necessarily have showed during the taping.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: nefari on December 28, 2010, 05:34:22 PM
And when was the actual filming of Remember the Time done? What year was that done, because if the actual making of it was done in 95 THEN we are on to something big. I know Wylie also did some Calvin Klein modeling.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: suspicious mind on December 28, 2010, 05:35:03 PM
i think this has been mulled over before. there is a poster who visits his grave. it is an interesting thought but idk if it has been looked into very deeply.
was he a dancer in remember the time? could someone point him out on the vid. all of those dancers look pretty healthy to me.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: nefari on December 28, 2010, 05:36:28 PM
HELLO!!! That poster is ME LOL
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: suspicious mind on December 28, 2010, 05:46:41 PM
Quote from: "nefari"
HELLO!!! That poster is ME LOL
sorry sweetie , didn't see it in time.

is interesting about your feelings in the other post.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: truthprevails on December 28, 2010, 05:50:26 PM
Quote from: "nefari"
And when was the actual filming of Remember the Time done? What year was that done, because if the actual making of it was done in 95 THEN we are on to something big. I know Wylie also did some Calvin Klein modeling.

According to Wikipedia, the video was shot in mid-January 1992.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remember_the_Time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remember_the_Time)
Since Wylie is said to have died on Dec. 20, 1993, he could have participated in the video & there's actually nothing odd here.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: Victor on December 28, 2010, 05:56:25 PM
[youtube:1h3b23z3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj_BT6pB_zU[/youtube:1h3b23z3]
[youtube:1h3b23z3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHJPlTeCMPA&feature=related[/youtube:1h3b23z3]
(http://images2.cinema.de/imedia/8052/2098052,57RcmBk1FkB4xOPiPAtbxXaZ8losuKFZ4EpfFXDwEb3UuQZpM6LPlArm0UA5ENB2KSQKrAPtYcJjzPcJVNgyTw==.jpg)
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/PHJPlTeCMPA/0.jpg)
[youtube:1h3b23z3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRygcTUyFd8[/youtube:1h3b23z3] :shock:
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: nefari on December 28, 2010, 05:59:37 PM
Thank you *truth*. I think Wylie is really gone. There are too many distinguishing marks and looks to our Michael through the years that say he was not Wylie but a twin I am still not so sure about. That theory still haunts me. Something is up between Michael, Marlon, Brandon and whoever else might be in that confusing scenario, something is just out of place about it all.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: MagentaLOVES on December 28, 2010, 06:14:41 PM
but havent most of you noticed, as years would go by, MJ would randomly get younger, look younger, when his age was really old, I mean this is it for instance..I know its part of his genes to look like that but lets be realistic
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: truthprevails on December 28, 2010, 06:21:54 PM
Quote from: "MagentaLOVES"
but havent most of you noticed, as years would go by, MJ would randomly get younger, look younger, when his age was really old, I mean this is it for instance..I know its part of his genes to look like that but lets be realistic

Come on, 50 is not "really old". Would you guess, if you didn't know, that Katherine & Joe are in their 80s? Doesn't Janet look amazing at 40+?

nefari: I don't believe the twin theory (that Michael himself had a twin, that is), but I'd like to say that I find it really, really nice of you that you keep visiting Wylie's crypt.  :)
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: suspicious mind on December 28, 2010, 06:37:59 PM
somewhat off topic: does anyone know the name of the lady who played katherine and or anything else about her. just kind of curious.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: nefari on December 28, 2010, 06:46:33 PM
Angela Bassett played Katherine and she is a legendary film actress who has starred in many films and TV productions.

Angela Evelyn Bassett born August 16, 1958
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on December 28, 2010, 08:59:50 PM
Quote from: "MagentaLOVES"
but havent most of you noticed, as years would go by, MJ would randomly get younger, look younger, when his age was really old, I mean this is it for instance..I know its part of his genes to look like that but lets be realistic

Not necessarily, I am 50 yrs old and I look alot younger than my age. First of all Michael could have done more plastic surgery to look younger. Secondly, as you can see Katherine  does not look like a  woman of 80 yrs old,she looks much younger. Michael probably took after Katherine's genes. I don't think Michael looks older. Obviously we all do get older.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: MagentaLOVES on December 28, 2010, 09:14:47 PM
Quote from: "all4loveandbelieve"
Quote from: "MagentaLOVES"
but havent most of you noticed, as years would go by, MJ would randomly get younger, look younger, when his age was really old, I mean this is it for instance..I know its part of his genes to look like that but lets be realistic

Not necessarily, I am 50 yrs old and I look alot younger than my age. First of all Michael could have done more plastic surgery to look younger. Secondly, as you can see Katherine  does not look like a  woman of 80 yrs old,she looks much younger. Michael probably took after Katherine's genes. I don't think Michael looks older. Obviously we all do get older.

so how old did mj look to you?
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: thepeacock2012 on December 28, 2010, 10:59:21 PM
Quote from: "Victor"
[youtube:1kpf1v18]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj_BT6pB_zU[/youtube:1kpf1v18]
[youtube:1kpf1v18]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHJPlTeCMPA&feature=related[/youtube:1kpf1v18]
(http://images2.cinema.de/imedia/8052/2098052,57RcmBk1FkB4xOPiPAtbxXaZ8losuKFZ4EpfFXDwEb3UuQZpM6LPlArm0UA5ENB2KSQKrAPtYcJjzPcJVNgyTw==.jpg)
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/PHJPlTeCMPA/0.jpg)
[youtube:1kpf1v18]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRygcTUyFd8[/youtube:1kpf1v18] :shock:
He's wearing the glove on the wrong hand! lol
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on December 29, 2010, 12:32:43 AM
I disagree, I don't think he looked like Michael, I mean yes he looked like him, but when you really compare the two... they aren't exactly the same. :?
Just saying, I don't think he could look enough like MJ to "be" him.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: nefari on December 29, 2010, 01:57:03 AM
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/mjwyliecomparephoto1.jpg)


(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h144/napolde1/mjwyliebanner1.jpg)
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on December 29, 2010, 08:33:21 AM
Quote from: "MagentaLOVES"
Quote from: "all4loveandbelieve"
Quote from: "MagentaLOVES"
but havent most of you noticed, as years would go by, MJ would randomly get younger, look younger, when his age was really old, I mean this is it for instance..I know its part of his genes to look like that but lets be realistic

Not necessarily, I am 50 yrs old and I look alot younger than my age. First of all Michael could have done more plastic surgery to look younger. Secondly, as you can see Katherine  does not look like a  woman of 80 yrs old,she looks much younger. Michael probably took after Katherine's genes. I don't think Michael looks older. Obviously we all do get older.

so how old did mj look to you?

When I saw this is it, i gave him a man in the middle  40.. he did not look his age. sorry this is my opinion.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: backstager on December 29, 2010, 10:21:42 AM
Quote from: "all4loveandbelieve"
Quote from: "MagentaLOVES"
Quote from: "all4loveandbelieve"
Quote from: "MagentaLOVES"
but havent most of you noticed, as years would go by, MJ would randomly get younger, look younger, when his age was really old, I mean this is it for instance..I know its part of his genes to look like that but lets be realistic

Not necessarily, I am 50 yrs old and I look alot younger than my age. First of all Michael could have done more plastic surgery to look younger. Secondly, as you can see Katherine  does not look like a  woman of 80 yrs old,she looks much younger. Michael probably took after Katherine's genes. I don't think Michael looks older. Obviously we all do get older.

so how old did mj look to you?

When I saw this is it, i gave him a man in the middle  40.. he did not look his age. sorry this is my opinion.

I think he looked so much younger than what he is. At 50, I believe he looked 45 at most. And around 2005, he looked around his late 30s IMO. He ages well  ;)
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on December 29, 2010, 12:36:48 PM
In TII, MJ to me looked like 30. ;) and in thriller he doesn't even look 20. Maybe like 17-ish :lol: He always looked younger than he was.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on December 29, 2010, 01:06:10 PM
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but havent most of you noticed, as years would go by, MJ would randomly get younger, look younger, when his age was really old, I mean this is it for instance..I know its part of his genes to look like that but lets be realistic

Not necessarily, I am 50 yrs old and I look alot younger than my age. First of all Michael could have done more plastic surgery to look younger. Secondly, as you can see Katherine  does not look like a  woman of 80 yrs old,she looks much younger. Michael probably took after Katherine's genes. I don't think Michael looks older. Obviously we all do get older.

so how old did mj look to you?

When I saw this is it, i gave him a man in the middle  40.. he did not look his age. sorry this is my opinion.

I think he looked so much younger than what he is. At 50, I believe he looked 45 at most. And around 2005, he looked around his late 30s IMO. He ages well  ;)

Thank you for agreeing with me.. I know he looks very good for his age.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: truthprevails on December 29, 2010, 08:01:16 PM
I'd give Michael 40 in TII.  :D

Wylie might have looked somewhat like a young Michael, BUT Wylie was 11 years younger than MJ and he was black... MJ's skin turned white in time due to vitiligo. I think it would have been hard for Wylie to keep up with the changes in MJ's appearance - and Wylie didn't seem to have any interest in being an MJ impersonator or double.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: lettingitsimmer on December 29, 2010, 08:49:32 PM
Quote from: "truthprevails"
I'd give Michael 40 in TII.  :D

Wylie might have looked somewhat like a young Michael, BUT Wylie was 11 years younger than MJ and he was black... MJ's skin turned white in time due to vitiligo. I think it would have been hard for Wylie to keep up with the changes in MJ's appearance - and Wylie didn't seem to have any interest in being an MJ impersonator or double.


I was recently thinking about Wylie possibly being in the mix somehow, too, and then this thread came up! He danced so much like Michael and he looked very much like him too. I am not saying he was a twin or relative ,or not, but he could have been involved as a double all these years and not really died..I saw an interview with his  mother at the time of his role as Michael in the film... I always wondered why such a talented person like him, and especially connected to Michael career - wise,  did not have more admiration and information in the media then and since then.. perhaps it was kept quiet for obvious reasons?It may sound like an impossibility.. but when you think about it, anything can be possible when all the right ingredients are put together.Makeup ( "even" skin tones , whether light or dark,etc)and with  some cosmetic surgery( as a previous poster has already mentioned) and tuition for the "look"  and manner and speaking voice of Michael could make it all believable..The photo of him in the garden at Havenhurst was so incredibly like Michael. Also, (and I am sorry I cannot remember the actual you tube video) there was a speech and outdoor ceremony when Michael( in blue sparkly military uniform and short hair( he was about mid 20's old) was standing at the microphones , next to Dionne Warwick, I think...He seemed  to be extremely nervous and needed prompting from her etc.and found it hard to speak, and as he was walking off the platform he seemed extremely nervous as he looked back... for a second there I wondered if it was Wiley, because just before that , in the video,some merchandise was being held up and a white t-shirt with what looked like Wiley's face(as seen in the film) was printed on it.. it really did not seem to be a picture of Michael.. more like Wiley..with plump cheeks..Maybe his illness and death were real and I do not want to be disrespectful if that is the truth,and I may be right off track,with my opinions here.. but Wiley Draper was a wonderful performer... it is worth looking into. Did he sing also? Anyone know? It is still a mystery ... :?:
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: MagentaLOVES on December 29, 2010, 09:48:55 PM
Quote from: "lettingitsimmer"
Quote from: "truthprevails"
I'd give Michael 40 in TII.  :D

Wylie might have looked somewhat like a young Michael, BUT Wylie was 11 years younger than MJ and he was black... MJ's skin turned white in time due to vitiligo. I think it would have been hard for Wylie to keep up with the changes in MJ's appearance - and Wylie didn't seem to have any interest in being an MJ impersonator or double.


I was recently thinking about Wylie possibly being in the mix somehow, too, and then this thread came up! He danced so much like Michael and he looked very much like him too. I am not saying he was a twin or relative ,or not, but he could have been involved as a double all these years and not really died..I saw an interview with his  mother at the time of his role as Michael in the film... I always wondered why such a talented person like him, and especially connected to Michael career - wise,  did not have more admiration and information in the media then and since then.. perhaps it was kept quiet for obvious reasons?It may sound like an impossibility.. but when you think about it, anything can be possible when all the right ingredients are put together.Makeup ( "even" skin tones , whether light or dark,etc)and with  some cosmetic surgery( as a previous poster has already mentioned) and tuition for the "look"  and manner and speaking voice of Michael could make it all believable..The photo of him in the garden at Havenhurst was so incredibly like Michael. Also, (and I am sorry I cannot remember the actual you tube video) there was a speech and outdoor ceremony when Michael( in blue sparkly military uniform and short hair( he was about mid 20's old) was standing at the microphones , next to Dionne Warwick, I think...He seemed  to be extremely nervous and needed prompting from her etc.and found it hard to speak, and as he was walking off the platform he seemed extremely nervous as he looked back... for a second there I wondered if it was Wiley, because just before that , in the video,some merchandise was being held up and a white t-shirt with what looked like Wiley's face(as seen in the film) was printed on it.. it really did not seem to be a picture of Michael.. more like Wiley..with plump cheeks..Maybe his illness and death were real and I do not want to be disrespectful if that is the truth,and I may be right off track,with my opinions here.. but Wiley Draper was a wonderful performer... it is worth looking into. Did he sing also? Anyone know? It is still a mystery ... :?:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUCf6IOPq3U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUCf6IOPq3U)
this video ,right?, and also i agree with what you just said!, everyone wonders who the mj in this video was/is!
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: suspicious mind on December 29, 2010, 09:59:57 PM
sometimes i think the subtle differences that have been seen over the years are due to wight changes and make-up.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: truthprevails on December 29, 2010, 10:07:16 PM
I think it''s Michael in that video with Dionne Warwick.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: hesouttamylife on December 29, 2010, 10:13:06 PM
He looked good at any age.  He was so fit and that keeps you young.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: mjfjei7777 on December 30, 2010, 01:17:28 AM
hey everyone
 nefari is the one who visits wylie drapers grave she has taken a couple of flowers for me at one time i do not know if she puts extra for me anymore..
i will visit his grave inmay i live 3 hours away this will be my first time .
weird talking about wylie though i just saw his movie again on sunday it was fitting they would play it since his anniversary was on the 20th
nefari i befriended someone on facebook who knows wylie but i wont say her name cause i think she chooses to keep that private i was lucky i got accepted.
she knew him along time and said she visited his grave once
 i am with you nefari i believe he died too like you said you feel this peace feeling when you go i really think he is dead from what his friend told me he really did die.
he will always be special to me too .
nefari and i will always share that love we have for wylie i am glad
god bless all
mjfjei7777
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: lettingitsimmer on December 30, 2010, 01:59:37 AM
Hello MagentaLOVES..I could not post next your answer Wed 29 Dec 2010 quoting  my idea...it kept jumping..Thank you  for finding and posting the you tube video.Yes! That is the one.It was  in reply to my  Michael/Wiley theory. I respect Wiley, his memory, and his followers and also other peoples different beliefs, opinions and knowledge.I have seen posts by the lovely people who visit Wiley's tomb and who have met people who know more about his life and death than I do. There is so much to discuss and share. I wanted to share my thoughts as they just came into my head and then suddenly there was a topic on this site. :).
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: MJonmind on December 30, 2010, 02:37:28 AM
Quote from: "truthprevails"
I think it''s Michael in that video with Dionne Warwick.
Yes. That is totally clearly MJ.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: techdiva on January 01, 2011, 11:09:26 PM
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I'd give Michael 40 in TII.  :D

Wylie might have looked somewhat like a young Michael, BUT Wylie was 11 years younger than MJ and he was black... MJ's skin turned white in time due to vitiligo. I think it would have been hard for Wylie to keep up with the changes in MJ's appearance - and Wylie didn't seem to have any interest in being an MJ impersonator or double.


I was recently thinking about Wylie possibly being in the mix somehow, too, and then this thread came up! He danced so much like Michael and he looked very much like him too. I am not saying he was a twin or relative ,or not, but he could have been involved as a double all these years and not really died..I saw an interview with his  mother at the time of his role as Michael in the film... I always wondered why such a talented person like him, and especially connected to Michael career - wise,  did not have more admiration and information in the media then and since then.. perhaps it was kept quiet for obvious reasons?It may sound like an impossibility.. but when you think about it, anything can be possible when all the right ingredients are put together.Makeup ( "even" skin tones , whether light or dark,etc)and with  some cosmetic surgery( as a previous poster has already mentioned) and tuition for the "look"  and manner and speaking voice of Michael could make it all believable..The photo of him in the garden at Havenhurst was so incredibly like Michael. Also, (and I am sorry I cannot remember the actual you tube video) there was a speech and outdoor ceremony when Michael( in blue sparkly military uniform and short hair( he was about mid 20's old) was standing at the microphones , next to Dionne Warwick, I think...He seemed  to be extremely nervous and needed prompting from her etc.and found it hard to speak, and as he was walking off the platform he seemed extremely nervous as he looked back... for a second there I wondered if it was Wiley, because just before that , in the video,some merchandise was being held up and a white t-shirt with what looked like Wiley's face(as seen in the film) was printed on it.. it really did not seem to be a picture of Michael.. more like Wiley..with plump cheeks..Maybe his illness and death were real and I do not want to be disrespectful if that is the truth,and I may be right off track,with my opinions here.. but Wiley Draper was a wonderful performer... it is worth looking into. Did he sing also? Anyone know? It is still a mystery ... :?:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUCf6IOPq3U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUCf6IOPq3U)
this video ,right?, and also i agree with what you just said!, everyone wonders who the mj in this video was/is!
I don't think that was Michael. I think it was his twin or double. The eyes look too large be Michael and he really looked nervous. He acted like he was wiping sweat off his face due the nervousness. I know it's not Wylie, because he was 17 and Michael was 28.This was during the 1986 Grammys. I remember watching it. But I have seen photos of Wylie and people say it Michael. I will try to find them. When Wylie performed in MJ's Remember the time video. He didn't look sick. IMO You are right it's still a mystery and worth looking into.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: lettingitsimmer on January 02, 2011, 12:03:47 AM
Hi techdiva

Thanks for the info.. yes I see what you mean.. the age difference..Wiley was 17 in the Jackson family film? ? And it also seemed to me that the eyes were different to Michael's in this video, just as you mentioned. If it was in fact Michael, at age 28, I was wondering if he would still be that shy and nervous talking to an audience ? He seemed very nervous as he went down the stairs too, I think. Yes a twin , relative or some other double sounds possible.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: 2MuchMJLuv on January 02, 2011, 05:08:37 AM
I have learned since being here that dates mean a helluva lot for this hoax.  First of all I've gotta tell you what a beautiful person you are to care enough about him to visit his resting place (if he's there of course). I can play devil's advocate and say that there are several reasons why no one visits, as I'd image that if he was well loved his demise was pretty tragic and hurtful.  Also, he could've been a child without a name so-to- speak which could also be a big emphatic PLUS for your inquisition. Would a child without a name or identity jump at the chance to assume the identity of his idol? Hellks yes!!! There were times when Mike would disappear out of the public eye for many moons, and then reappear wearing a mask (in an effort to throw people off).  We don't really know what was going on under those masks.  Wylie could've been off preparing for the role of a lifetime.  

You're on to something.   ;)

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to loyalfan:
All I am saying is that it is soooo odd the death date of Wylie being the exact same as the Neverland Invasion and the fact that it's so obvious there is mystery behind Wylie's death as well as Michael's. If Wylie in fact had no real family to answer to or for and was someone who lived his whole life wanting to be like Michael *Yes he even walked the halls of his High School drama dept. wearing "The Glove"* then how far would Wylie have gone for Michael? It's all a bit fascinating and strange.
Nefari
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on January 02, 2011, 07:21:29 AM
Only once in nearly 2 years that I have been taking flowers to Wylie have I seen any new flowers put out by anyone else and since there is such a small vase on his crypt I always try and incorporate any other flowers I find left there into the arrangement but only once have I had to do this. First time I went to visit the old flowers in the vase had cob webs all over them and were totally ancient, smelled of age if you can understand how silk flowers can get musty and old smelling. So possibly someone does come from far away maybe to visit once in awhile and my heart jumped for joy when I saw that someone else cared and left him flowers. Thank you for saying I'm kind to do this. My car has been so ugly to me this past year its been hard to go see Wylie. I was there in October last. I know I will get down to see him before his Birthday or on his birthday though. I'll do all in my power to, as I go through a withdrawing sort of sadness if I don't visit him at least every 3 to 4 months. It's like I gain strength from the love I feel in that mausoleum to keep hope alive for Michael.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on January 02, 2011, 07:31:39 AM
Nefari, wow! God bless you for caring and going  to see Wylie bringing fresh flowers to his crypt .Not too many people have a good soul like yourself. I have a theory, how about Wylie,never died, he had no family, but he did have leukemia, Michael found out and took care of him. Wylie was in remission for a while. He probably got some plastic surgery to look more like Michael. Wylie got sick again and he is the one who died that day, June 25 2009 instead of Michael. Remember the paramedics when they arrived they said the person did not look exactly like Michael Jackson. One thing I know that when a parent loses a child, they will be at their crypt maybe not everyday, but often enough to change flowers, and to be with the son. I am speaking as a mother. Like I said this is only my theory.  God bless
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on January 02, 2011, 07:37:59 AM
Hello everyone,  I have a theory, how about Wylie,never died, he had no family, but he did have leukemia, Michael found out and took care of him. Wylie was in remission for a while. He probably got some plastic surgery to look more like Michael. Wylie got sick again and he is the one who died that day, June 25 2009 instead of Michael. Remember the paramedics when they arrived they said the person did not look exactly like Michael Jackson. One thing I know that when a parent loses a child, they will be at their crypt maybe not everyday, but often enough to change flowers, and to be with the son. I am speaking as a mother. Their is another posting that Nefari did  called the Wyllie Factor. Read that one. I did not copy paste the link sorry. It will explain more into details.
God bless.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: nefari on January 02, 2011, 07:41:59 AM
I too have entertained that exact scenario but I just feel that Wylie is gone, passed away and there is no evidence of the vault being opened recently except one thing I noticed last time I went down there that I had not seen before. I could have just over looked it before but there is now a slight roof leak or issue barely noticable right directly above Wylie's drawer and I mentioned it to my husband. He said probably just from the building being older and settling. It very well could be all there is to it but it concerns me because I don't want anything happening to Wylie's crypt. To someone not observing every detail you would not see it. But I have stood many times underneath that crypt saying a prayer, blowing kisses to Wylie before I leave and I did notice that wall/roof area little stain. I think next time I go I might just walk around behind the mausoleum to the back side of Wylie's crypt and see what I see from the outside, if that's possible. That's something I have never done before.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on January 02, 2011, 07:44:15 AM
Quote from: "techdiva"
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Quote from: "truthprevails"
I'd give Michael 40 in TII.  :D

Wylie might have looked somewhat like a young Michael, BUT Wylie was 11 years younger than MJ and he was black... MJ's skin turned white in time due to vitiligo. I think it would have been hard for Wylie to keep up with the changes in MJ's appearance - and Wylie didn't seem to have any interest in being an MJ impersonator or double.


I was recently thinking about Wylie possibly being in the mix somehow, too, and then this thread came up! He danced so much like Michael and he looked very much like him too. I am not saying he was a twin or relative ,or not, but he could have been involved as a double all these years and not really died..I saw an interview with his  mother at the time of his role as Michael in the film... I always wondered why such a talented person like him, and especially connected to Michael career - wise,  did not have more admiration and information in the media then and since then.. perhaps it was kept quiet for obvious reasons?It may sound like an impossibility.. but when you think about it, anything can be possible when all the right ingredients are put together.Makeup ( "even" skin tones , whether light or dark,etc)and with  some cosmetic surgery( as a previous poster has already mentioned) and tuition for the "look"  and manner and speaking voice of Michael could make it all believable..The photo of him in the garden at Havenhurst was so incredibly like Michael. Also, (and I am sorry I cannot remember the actual you tube video) there was a speech and outdoor ceremony when Michael( in blue sparkly military uniform and short hair( he was about mid 20's old) was standing at the microphones , next to Dionne Warwick, I think...He seemed  to be extremely nervous and needed prompting from her etc.and found it hard to speak, and as he was walking off the platform he seemed extremely nervous as he looked back... for a second there I wondered if it was Wiley, because just before that , in the video,some merchandise was being held up and a white t-shirt with what looked like Wiley's face(as seen in the film) was printed on it.. it really did not seem to be a picture of Michael.. more like Wiley..with plump cheeks..Maybe his illness and death were real and I do not want to be disrespectful if that is the truth,and I may be right off track,with my opinions here.. but Wiley Draper was a wonderful performer... it is worth looking into. Did he sing also? Anyone know? It is still a mystery ... :?:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUCf6IOPq3U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUCf6IOPq3U)
this video ,right?, and also i agree with what you just said!, everyone wonders who the mj in this video was/is!
I don't think that was Michael. I think it was his twin or double. The eyes look too large be Michael and he really looked nervous. He acted like he was wiping sweat off his face due the nervousness. I know it's not Wylie, because he was 17 and Michael was 28.This was during the 1986 Grammys. I remember watching it. But I have seen photos of Wylie and people say it Michael. I will try to find them. When Wylie performed in MJ's Remember the time video. He didn't look sick. IMO You are right it's still a mystery and worth looking into.


don't forget Michael was a shy man at that time, if he were a double he wouldn't have removed his sun glasses. That was him. He looks so  much as Janet.
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on January 02, 2011, 07:49:55 AM
Quote from: "nefari"
I too have entertained that exact scenario but I just feel that Wylie is gone, passed away and there is no evidence of the vault being opened recently except one thing I noticed last time I went down there that I had not seen before. I could have just over looked it before but there is now a slight roof leak or issue barely noticable right directly above Wylie's drawer and I mentioned it to my husband. He said probably just from the building being older and settling. It very well could be all there is to it but it concerns me because I don't want anything happening to Wylie's crypt. To someone not observing every detail you would not see it. But I have stood many times underneath that crypt saying a prayer, blowing kisses to Wylie before I leave and I did notice that wall/roof area little stain. I think next time I go I might just walk around behind the mausoleum to the back side of Wylie's crypt and see what I see from the outside, if that's possible. That's something I have never done before.

Nefari we shouldn't dismiss this theory. Why doesn't his family go visit him? Even if they don't go every day, but at least 2 times a month a mother or a father should go visit thier son . You are stating that their was cow webs in the flowers. It means no one goes and visit him. If their is his body resting there, it is very mean of his family not visiting him. I feel really bad for this young man. Like I said we should not dismiss this theory. Blessings.
Title: Re: Did wylie really die?
Post by: techdiva on January 02, 2011, 01:11:09 PM
Quote from: "all4loveandbelieve"
Quote from: "techdiva"
Quote from: "MagentaLOVES"
Quote from: "lettingitsimmer"
Quote from: "truthprevails"
I'd give Michael 40 in TII.  :D

Wylie might have looked somewhat like a young Michael, BUT Wylie was 11 years younger than MJ and he was black... MJ's skin turned white in time due to vitiligo. I think it would have been hard for Wylie to keep up with the changes in MJ's appearance - and Wylie didn't seem to have any interest in being an MJ impersonator or double.


I was recently thinking about Wylie possibly being in the mix somehow, too, and then this thread came up! He danced so much like Michael and he looked very much like him too. I am not saying he was a twin or relative ,or not, but he could have been involved as a double all these years and not really died..I saw an interview with his  mother at the time of his role as Michael in the film... I always wondered why such a talented person like him, and especially connected to Michael career - wise,  did not have more admiration and information in the media then and since then.. perhaps it was kept quiet for obvious reasons?It may sound like an impossibility.. but when you think about it, anything can be possible when all the right ingredients are put together.Makeup ( "even" skin tones , whether light or dark,etc)and with  some cosmetic surgery( as a previous poster has already mentioned) and tuition for the "look"  and manner and speaking voice of Michael could make it all believable..The photo of him in the garden at Havenhurst was so incredibly like Michael. Also, (and I am sorry I cannot remember the actual you tube video) there was a speech and outdoor ceremony when Michael( in blue sparkly military uniform and short hair( he was about mid 20's old) was standing at the microphones , next to Dionne Warwick, I think...He seemed  to be extremely nervous and needed prompting from her etc.and found it hard to speak, and as he was walking off the platform he seemed extremely nervous as he looked back... for a second there I wondered if it was Wiley, because just before that , in the video,some merchandise was being held up and a white t-shirt with what looked like Wiley's face(as seen in the film) was printed on it.. it really did not seem to be a picture of Michael.. more like Wiley..with plump cheeks..Maybe his illness and death were real and I do not want to be disrespectful if that is the truth,and I may be right off track,with my opinions here.. but Wiley Draper was a wonderful performer... it is worth looking into. Did he sing also? Anyone know? It is still a mystery ... :?:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUCf6IOPq3U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUCf6IOPq3U)
this video ,right?, and also i agree with what you just said!, everyone wonders who the mj in this video was/is!
I don't think that was Michael. I think it was his twin or double. The eyes look too large be Michael and he really looked nervous. He acted like he was wiping sweat off his face due the nervousness. I know it's not Wylie, because he was 17 and Michael was 28.This was during the 1986 Grammys. I remember watching it. But I have seen photos of Wylie and people say it Michael. I will try to find them. When Wylie performed in MJ's Remember the time video. He didn't look sick. IMO You are right it's still a mystery and worth looking into.


don't forget Michael was a shy man at that time, if he were a double he wouldn't have removed his sun glasses. That was him. He looks so  much as Janet.
I think you are getting the Grammy years confused.  The video that was posted with MJ and Lionel Ritchie, they won a grammy for(1986) "We are the World." The Grammy year you are speaking of when Michael removed his glasses was 1984 Grammy. This was the year Emmanuel Lewis and Brooke Shield had attend,  Here's the video
[youtube:1j1cxeny]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLPPgmTnY-k[/youtube:1j1cxeny]
Title: Re: The Wylie Factor
Post by: mjfjei7777 on January 02, 2011, 03:22:33 PM
hi nefari
 
 i know you told me your car was having trouble and this whole time i thought you didnt like me as a friend cause i never heard from you anymore.
now i understand it isnt me it is your car that you were mad at.
i want to go to his crypt this may on his birthday.my family and i are doing this so i wil get to leave flowers for him then.
but if you still would put a extra one from me when you go in the meantime i will be so greatful!
he is and always will be special to you and me especially but to others too and his loved ones.
i am so happy i share this love you have for him with you.
take care my friend and thanks for all those times you did take extra flowers for me .
i will say prayers god will get that car of yours running again so you can go see him .
till then you can always write me i am on ym too just got on
your friend always
keep in touch
mjfjei7777
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