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Title: PARIS MEMORIAL SPEECH,NEED CLARIFICATION
Post by: scorpionchik on April 11, 2010, 07:05:57 PM
My attention saddenly caught the verb tense Paris used in her speech. Where she says:"Daddy HAS BEEN the best father..." instead of WAS as should be when the exact date and time of the past and non continuous event is known. Paris genuinely and automatically  instead of Past Tense used correct Past Participle Tense  that according to Longman Dictionary describied: been- the Past Participle of Be-"have/has been used in the order to say that someone has gone to a place and come back"; or internet grammar education site I found says: has/have (not) + past participle; the past participle by using the present perfect tense. It shows something that started in the past, but continues until now.
I might be wrong since English is not my native language. Please comment what do you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgX-8i6YiI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgX-8i6YiI)
Title: Re: PARIS MEMORIAL SPEECH,NEED CLARIFICATION
Post by: ~Souza~ on April 11, 2010, 07:08:15 PM
Clever girl ;)
Title: Re: PARIS MEMORIAL SPEECH,NEED CLARIFICATION
Post by: michaelsupporter on April 11, 2010, 07:17:35 PM
Agree.....that is what I have been thinking all along....... :D
Title: Re: PARIS MEMORIAL SPEECH,NEED CLARIFICATION
Post by: Lou on April 11, 2010, 07:28:33 PM
He has been = he was (in the past) and still is (in present time)  ;)
Title: Re: PARIS MEMORIAL SPEECH,NEED CLARIFICATION
Post by: whatyourheartsays on April 11, 2010, 07:52:03 PM
I'm not sure but as she wanted people to know his dad was the best father and that she would always love him, maybe she wanted to say that this "good father" state, would last forever...
I don't think we can have clue about it.
Title: Re: PARIS MEMORIAL SPEECH,NEED CLARIFICATION
Post by: scorpionchik on April 11, 2010, 08:04:30 PM
Quote from: "whatyourheartsays"
I'm not sure but as she wanted people to know his dad was the best father and that she would always love him, maybe she wanted to say that this "good father" state, would last forever...
I don't think we can have clue about it.

"she wanted people to know his dad was the best father "
That's what I am talking about; should be used WAS as you stated, not HAS BEEN. If Paris wanted to emphasize Michael as the "best father", it would not downgrade her dad from being BEST FATHER even if she would have been used  past tense.
Title: Re: PARIS MEMORIAL SPEECH,NEED CLARIFICATION
Post by: NickJ47 on April 11, 2010, 11:55:26 PM
Notice that just prior to giving this statement at the memorial, Paris seems preoccupied with her handbag. In a matter of seconds she is concentrating on the speech and is now crying.

Good acting perhaps?
Title: Re: PARIS MEMORIAL SPEECH,NEED CLARIFICATION
Post by: bec on April 12, 2010, 12:13:55 AM
Quote from: "scorpionchik"
My attention saddenly caught the verb tense Paris used in her speech. Where she says:"Daddy HAS BEEN the best father..." instead of WAS as should be when the exact date and time of the past and non continuous event is known. Paris genuinely and automatically  instead of Past Tense used correct Past Participle Tense  that according to Longman Dictionary describied: been- the Past Participle of Be-"have/has been used in the order to say that someone has gone to a place and come back"; or internet grammar education site I found says: has/have (not) + past participle; the past participle by using the present perfect tense. It shows something that started in the past, but continues until now.
I might be wrong since English is not my native language. Please comment what do you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgX-8i6YiI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgX-8i6YiI)

You're right... good observation!

I always thought that line sounded awkward.
Title: Re: PARIS MEMORIAL SPEECH,NEED CLARIFICATION
Post by: MJonmind on April 12, 2010, 12:25:01 AM
I agree that it means past continued to today, or you would use past "was". Good find!
Title: Re: PARIS MEMORIAL SPEECH,NEED CLARIFICATION
Post by: MashMike on April 12, 2010, 03:31:31 AM
scorpionchik wrote:My attention saddenly caught the verb tense Paris used in her speech. Where she says:"Daddy HAS BEEN the best father..." instead of WAS as should be when the exact date and time of the past and non continuous event is known. Paris genuinely and automatically instead of Past Tense used correct Past Participle Tense that according to Longman Dictionary describied: been- the Past Participle of Be-"have/has been used in the order to say that someone has gone to a place and come back"; or internet grammar education site I found says: has/have (not) + past participle; the past participle by using the present perfect tense. It shows something that started in the past, but continues until now.
I might be wrong since English is not my native language. Please comment what do you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgX-8i6YiI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgX-8i6YiI)

Great finding, Paris is a smart girl to use a arong tense, she ,sure, knows when past simple and when pr.perfect tenses are used to make such a mistake, great finding.
Title: Re: PARIS MEMORIAL SPEECH,NEED CLARIFICATION
Post by: Miss-Zazi95 on April 12, 2010, 08:44:49 AM
Quote from: "scorpionchik"
My attention saddenly caught the verb tense Paris used in her speech. Where she says:"Daddy HAS BEEN the best father..." instead of WAS as should be when the exact date and time of the past and non continuous event is known. Paris genuinely and automatically  instead of Past Tense used correct Past Participle Tense  that according to Longman Dictionary describied: been- the Past Participle of Be-"have/has been used in the order to say that someone has gone to a place and come back"; or internet grammar education site I found says: has/have (not) + past participle; the past participle by using the present perfect tense. It shows something that started in the past, but continues until now.
I might be wrong since English is not my native language. Please comment what do you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgX-8i6YiI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgX-8i6YiI)
This is what i always thought  :D
Title: Re: PARIS MEMORIAL SPEECH,NEED CLARIFICATION
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 12, 2010, 10:27:28 AM
Never thought about it like that, but it makes sense!
Title: Re: PARIS MEMORIAL SPEECH,NEED CLARIFICATION
Post by: ladyandbird on April 12, 2010, 12:19:25 PM
Quote from: "scorpionchik"
My attention saddenly caught the verb tense Paris used in her speech. Where she says:"Daddy HAS BEEN the best father..." instead of WAS as should be when the exact date and time of the past and non continuous event is known. Paris genuinely and automatically  instead of Past Tense used correct Past Participle Tense  that according to Longman Dictionary describied: been- the Past Participle of Be-"have/has been used in the order to say that someone has gone to a place and come back"; or internet grammar education site I found says: has/have (not) + past participle; the past participle by using the present perfect tense. It shows something that started in the past, but continues until now.
I might be wrong since English is not my native language. Please comment what do you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgX-8i6YiI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgX-8i6YiI)

Yes, I agree. It's really weird that she chose to say it like that.
Something that always has made me react is that in so many interviews people talk about Michael in present tense aswell. And if they talk about him as dead, they almost always use the expression "not with us anymore" or "when he left us" or other expressions with a similar tone, not "when he died". Interesting.
Title: Re: PARIS MEMORIAL SPEECH,NEED CLARIFICATION
Post by: mjssoulmate on April 12, 2010, 10:44:15 PM
Quote from: "scorpionchik"
My attention saddenly caught the verb tense Paris used in her speech. Where she says:"Daddy HAS BEEN the best father..." instead of WAS as should be when the exact date and time of the past and non continuous event is known. Paris genuinely and automatically  instead of Past Tense used correct Past Participle Tense  that according to Longman Dictionary describied: been- the Past Participle of Be-"have/has been used in the order to say that someone has gone to a place and come back"; or internet grammar education site I found says: has/have (not) + past participle; the past participle by using the present perfect tense. It shows something that started in the past, but continues until now.
I might be wrong since English is not my native language. Please comment what do you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgX-8i6YiI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgX-8i6YiI)

LOL
This was discussed in July 2009.  Where have you people been?  I feel like we keep going round and round in a circle.  No offense!
Title: Re: PARIS MEMORIAL SPEECH,NEED CLARIFICATION
Post by: scorpionchik on April 12, 2010, 11:07:22 PM
"LOL
This was discussed in July 2009. Where have you people been? I feel like we keep going round and round in a circle. No offense!"

How you could discuss this in July 2009 if you joined this site : on Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:16 pm ?   :roll:
Title: Re: PARIS MEMORIAL SPEECH,NEED CLARIFICATION
Post by: mjssoulmate on April 12, 2010, 11:18:58 PM
Quote from: "scorpionchik"
"LOL
This was discussed in July 2009. Where have you people been? I feel like we keep going round and round in a circle. No offense!"

How you could discuss this in July 2009 if you joined this site : on Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:16 pm ?   :roll:


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