Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Theories => The Double Theory => Topic started by: misha86 on April 09, 2010, 12:25:55 AM

Title: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: misha86 on April 09, 2010, 12:25:55 AM
I posted these pictures on the other last year and no one cared  :lol: but since i have came back and i see more people are looking into the double/twin theory I decided to post these pictures again.

While looking though his site to see how far back the multiple mjs go back i came across these pictures and IMO they look like 2 different lil boys...I will note what i see different and i would love for you to do the same.

(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg51%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg51%2F9848%2Fmj1one%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=2bfde4bfdfc7ffd6a8c53349b4227109) (http://http://img51.imageshack.us/i/mj1one.jpg/)

(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg18%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg18%2F3792%2Fmj2two%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=ed3bfeb3cea027bb2e8e7dc9d863b398) (http://http://img18.imageshack.us/i/mj2two.jpg/)

on the top picture, notice the scar on his cheek, that is still visible today, and on the second picture it is not there

a his eyebrows seem to be thinner and the fuller bottom lip on the top picture

the bottom picture has fuller browsn and fuller top lip

but all and all it doesnt look like the same boy to me, the first picture looks like the michael we have always seem and the 2nd picture just doesnt "feel" familiar to me

edit: the way that the afros lay are different also
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: wiZZkIDD on April 09, 2010, 12:31:13 AM
Hey Misha..we havent been formerly introduced as you probaly know me as WizzKidd lol  ;)..yes i knew i have seen this pictures before from you along time ago..and i to wouldnt be surprised if michael was still black till this day  :) to me michael was about "magic" and creating excapism so to speak..cant wait to post the video
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: misha86 on April 09, 2010, 12:33:41 AM
(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg186%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg186%2F7493%2Fmj1s%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=ef4bf20e0795deb08f1e0f99330b521f) (http://http://img186.imageshack.us/i/mj1s.jpg/)

(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg266%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg266%2F5334%2Fmj2d%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=1fa5f81b1d090a23bfd54f9634ce708b) (http://http://img266.imageshack.us/i/mj2d.jpg/)
^^^ where did the scar go???????

(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg38%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg38%2F3594%2Fdangerw%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=013936c805844965228e6bf284ada850) (http://http://img38.imageshack.us/i/dangerw.jpg/)
20 to 30 years later and you can still see the scar.....
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: misha86 on April 09, 2010, 12:34:26 AM
Quote from: "wiZZkIDD"
Hey Misha..we havent been formerly introduced as you probaly know me as WizzKidd lol  ;)..yes i knew i have seen this pictures before from you along time ago..and i to wouldnt be surprised if michael was still black till this day  :) to me michael was about "magic" and creating excapism so to speak..cant wait to post the video
thanks and nice meeting you! and thank you for bringing this back up
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: wiZZkIDD on April 09, 2010, 12:36:59 AM
Quote from: "misha86"
Quote from: "wiZZkIDD"
Hey Misha..we havent been formerly introduced as you probaly know me as WizzKidd lol  ;)..yes i knew i have seen this pictures before from you along time ago..and i to wouldnt be surprised if michael was still black till this day  :) to me michael was about "magic" and creating excapism so to speak..cant wait to post the video
thanks and nice meeting you! and thank you for bringing this back up
u welcome  :D its time to wake this forum back up lol  :lol:
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: JACKSONGIRL on April 09, 2010, 12:48:53 AM
Quote from: "misha86"
(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg186%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg186%2F7493%2Fmj1s%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=ef4bf20e0795deb08f1e0f99330b521f) (http://http://img186.imageshack.us/i/mj1s.jpg/)

(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg266%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg266%2F5334%2Fmj2d%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=1fa5f81b1d090a23bfd54f9634ce708b) (http://http://img266.imageshack.us/i/mj2d.jpg/)
^^^ where did the scar go???????

(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg38%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg38%2F3594%2Fdangerw%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=013936c805844965228e6bf284ada850) (http://http://img38.imageshack.us/i/dangerw.jpg/)
20 to 30 years later and you can still see the scar.....
photoshop?  i edit pimples and scars out all the time.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: PinkTopaz on April 09, 2010, 01:09:26 AM
Quote from: "wiZZkIDD"
Hey Misha..we havent been formerly introduced as you probaly know me as WizzKidd lol  ;)..yes i knew i have seen this pictures before from you along time ago..and i to wouldnt be surprised if michael was still black till this day  :) to me michael was about "magic" and creating excapism so to speak..cant wait to post the video
Really? If that is true..then Michael Jackson is one sick, ugly human being. All that work of saying he had a terrible disease (or whichever fakeass made it up) and making everyone feel all sympathetic, making TONS of people get laughed at trying to defend him and- *gasp!!!* It's not real?! Dear Lord..
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: wiZZkIDD on April 09, 2010, 01:15:51 AM
Quote from: "PinkTopaz"
Quote from: "wiZZkIDD"
Hey Misha..we havent been formerly introduced as you probaly know me as WizzKidd lol  ;)..yes i knew i have seen this pictures before from you along time ago..and i to wouldnt be surprised if michael was still black till this day  :) to me michael was about "magic" and creating excapism so to speak..cant wait to post the video
Really? If that is true..then Michael Jackson is one sick, ugly human being. All that work of saying he had a terrible disease (or whichever fakeass made it up) and making everyone feel all sympathetic, making TONS of people get laughed at trying to defend him and- *gasp!!!* It's not real?! Dear Lord..
i think you misinterpret what i said..he does have vitiligo we have seen it proof of it in the 80's but what im saying is that from what the jackson's at the memorial and funeral have shown us michael as far as his facial appearance probaly is still somewhat the same  ;)
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: PinkTopaz on April 09, 2010, 01:21:14 AM
Quote from: "wiZZkIDD"
Quote from: "PinkTopaz"
Quote from: "wiZZkIDD"
Hey Misha..we havent been formerly introduced as you probaly know me as WizzKidd lol  ;)..yes i knew i have seen this pictures before from you along time ago..and i to wouldnt be surprised if michael was still black till this day  :) to me michael was about "magic" and creating excapism so to speak..cant wait to post the video
Really? If that is true..then Michael Jackson is one sick, ugly human being. All that work of saying he had a terrible disease (or whichever fakeass made it up) and making everyone feel all sympathetic, making TONS of people get laughed at trying to defend him and- *gasp!!!* It's not real?! Dear Lord..
i think you misinterpret what i said..he does have vitiligo we have seen it proof of it in the 80's but what im saying is that from what the jackson's at the memorial and funeral have shown us michael as far as his facial appearance probaly is still somewhat the same  ;)
Well that's not a surprise- those pictures were from the Bad era and his face, excluding skin color, didn't change at all from then to now. People exaggerate the surgeries, of course, but it's because of the fakes. His actual face looks pretty much the same.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: darkchild on April 09, 2010, 01:25:47 AM
I remember hearing awhile back about the importance of a scar on MJ's cheek.  I think it was on his left cheek.  Was this scar ever mentioned in the autopsy report? Wow, this is a very interesting post.  I think I am going back to my padded cell. My head is spinning.
 :?  :?
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: Christiana on April 09, 2010, 01:48:53 AM
The scar he has is on his left cheek, which I can't see visible in either picture.

The other differences you mentioned can be attributed to any or all of the following:

Change in the position of Michael's head
Change in the the position of Michael's mouth
Change in the lighting
Change in the position of the camera being used
Changing in the position of the photographer
Photoshopping

I myself don't buy into the doubles/twin theory. I have nothing against anyone who does, but it would take a LOT, LOT more in the way of proof to convince me otherwise.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: *Mo* on April 09, 2010, 02:04:31 AM
We have been comparing pics for months now, and I can tell you that there are at least two MJ's.  These two look alike so much, you have to know what the differences are to see them.  They look alike so much, they could be twins, yet there are differences.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: PinkTopaz on April 09, 2010, 02:23:18 AM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
We have been comparing pics for months now, and I can tell you that there are at least two MJ's.  These two look alike so much, you have to know what the differences are to see them.  They look alike so much, they could be twins, yet there are differences.
Oh.. is there any chance that one is his twin?
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: *Mo* on April 09, 2010, 02:36:51 AM
Quote from: "PinkTopaz"
Quote from: "*Mo*"
We have been comparing pics for months now, and I can tell you that there are at least two MJ's.  These two look alike so much, you have to know what the differences are to see them.  They look alike so much, they could be twins, yet there are differences.

Oh.. is there any chance that one is his twin?

We kind of let go of the original "biological twin" idea, but rational thinking leads us to tending to believe that there might be a blood connection.  These two faces are extremely similar, and back in those days plastic surgery wasn't as advanced as it is now.  Anyway, as long as all birth certificates pertaining the Jacksons are sealed or unless Mike himself will one day tell us what really happened, we will never know for sure.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: PinkTopaz on April 09, 2010, 02:40:51 AM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Quote from: "PinkTopaz"
Quote from: "*Mo*"
We have been comparing pics for months now, and I can tell you that there are at least two MJ's.  These two look alike so much, you have to know what the differences are to see them.  They look alike so much, they could be twins, yet there are differences.

Oh.. is there any chance that one is his twin?

We kind of let go of the original "biological twin" idea, but rational thinking leads us to tending to believe that there might be a blood connection.  These two faces are extremely similar, and back in those days plastic surgery wasn't as advanced as it is now.  Anyway, as long as all birth certificates pertaining the Jacksons are sealed or unless Mike himself will one day tell us what really happened, we will never know for sure.
Wh-what do you mean by the last line? You mean we'll never know if he has a twin?
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: *Mo* on April 09, 2010, 02:51:03 AM
Quote from: "PinkTopaz"
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Quote from: "PinkTopaz"
Quote from: "*Mo*"
We have been comparing pics for months now, and I can tell you that there are at least two MJ's.  These two look alike so much, you have to know what the differences are to see them.  They look alike so much, they could be twins, yet there are differences.

Oh.. is there any chance that one is his twin?

We kind of let go of the original "biological twin" idea, but rational thinking leads us to tending to believe that there might be a blood connection.  These two faces are extremely similar, and back in those days plastic surgery wasn't as advanced as it is now.  Anyway, as long as all birth certificates pertaining the Jacksons are sealed or unless Mike himself will one day tell us what really happened, we will never know for sure.
Wh-what do you mean by the last line? You mean we'll never know if he has a twin?

Please just read what I wrote PinkTopaz, I was very clear:  

"Anyway, as long as all birth certificates pertaining the Jacksons are sealed or unless Mike himself will one day tell us what really happened, we will never know for sure."
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: larry141094 on April 09, 2010, 02:59:25 AM
You all know how easy it is to cover up scars with Make up? but all it takes is the right angles and lighting to make it 'reappear'
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: simplyme on April 09, 2010, 04:10:41 AM
Quote from: "misha86"
I posted these pictures on the other last year and no one cared  :lol: but since i have came back and i see more people are looking into the double/twin theory I decided to post these pictures again.

While looking though his site to see how far back the multiple mjs go back i came across these pictures and IMO they look like 2 different lil boys...I will note what i see different and i would love for you to do the same.

(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg51%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg51%2F9848%2Fmj1one%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=2bfde4bfdfc7ffd6a8c53349b4227109) (http://http://img51.imageshack.us/i/mj1one.jpg/)

(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg18%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg18%2F3792%2Fmj2two%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=ed3bfeb3cea027bb2e8e7dc9d863b398) (http://http://img18.imageshack.us/i/mj2two.jpg/)

on the top picture, notice the scar on his cheek, that is still visible today, and on the second picture it is not there

a his eyebrows seem to be thinner and the fuller bottom lip on the top picture

the bottom picture has fuller browsn and fuller top lip

but all and all it doesnt look like the same boy to me, the first picture looks like the michael we have always seem and the 2nd picture just doesnt "feel" familiar to me

edit: the way that the afros lay are different also

Same beautiful boy.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: Raven on April 09, 2010, 04:30:00 AM
Sorry to spoil your fun here, but on both pictures of when he was little, a scar can be seen on his cheek.

It is  hard to see since his head is turned around, but if you look well enough it is there. Just because it is not on the picture does not mean they are not there. You can NOT use a picture like that were the head is turned to 'proof' there is no scar and even more, not that they are 2 persons.

It would really be appreciated if you would only mention that there is a twin or a double if you have concrete, hard evidence because this is becoming very annoying.

There are not 2 persons.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: mjfansince4 on April 09, 2010, 04:35:36 AM
sorry guys, while i'm open to the doubles theory (or at least trying to!), i just don't believe he'd use one at this young of an age. as for the twin theory....i just can't agree to that one at all.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: *Mo* on April 09, 2010, 04:58:01 AM
Quote from: "Raven"
It would really be appreciated if you would only mention that there is a twin or a double if you have concrete, hard evidence because this is becoming very annoying.

The intention of this website is to INVESTIGATE this hoax, and to share thoughts and ideas. You can't expect people ONLY to post their ideas when they have concrete, hard evidence, and that's certainly not a requirement when people want to share their ideas.  If talking about doubles is becoming very annoying for you then you better skip these threads, instead of posting comments like "There are not 2 persons", "there's only one Michael" and "there are no doubles" in each and every thread that appears about doubles.  You're only annoying yourself this way.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 09, 2010, 05:10:15 AM
I also don't see/believe it, the reason why I read double topics is because a lot of people are convinced and it makes me curious. But I can't see differences...
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: Raven on April 09, 2010, 05:58:27 AM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Quote from: "Raven"
It would really be appreciated if you would only mention that there is a twin or a double if you have concrete, hard evidence because this is becoming very annoying.

The intention of this website is to INVESTIGATE this hoax, and to share thoughts and ideas. You can't expect people ONLY to post their ideas when they have concrete, hard evidence, and that's certainly not a requirement when people want to share their ideas.  If talking about doubles is becoming very annoying for you then you better skip these threads, instead of posting comments like "There are not 2 persons", "there's only one Michael" and "there are no doubles" in each and every thread that appears about doubles.  You're only annoying yourself this way.
What is annoying is that if you don't post in such a thread, after a while people are stating it is 'hard evidence' or 'WE determined that it was..." since they never received any feedback.

Ofcourse it's the intention to debate and share opinions, but stating that Michael Jackson is not Michael Jackson is of a different matter, it's an attack at his identity.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: Puff on April 09, 2010, 06:42:03 AM
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Quote from: "Raven"
It would really be appreciated if you would only mention that there is a twin or a double if you have concrete, hard evidence because this is becoming very annoying.

The intention of this website is to INVESTIGATE this hoax, and to share thoughts and ideas. You can't expect people ONLY to post their ideas when they have concrete, hard evidence, and that's certainly not a requirement when people want to share their ideas.  If talking about doubles is becoming very annoying for you then you better skip these threads, instead of posting comments like "There are not 2 persons", "there's only one Michael" and "there are no doubles" in each and every thread that appears about doubles.  You're only annoying yourself this way.
What is annoying is that if you don't post in such a thread, after a while people are stating it is 'hard evidence' or 'WE determined that it was..." since they never received any feedback.

Ofcourse it's the intention to debate and share opinions, but stating that Michael Jackson is not Michael Jackson is of a different matter, it's an attack at his identity.

Well, we are talking about DOUBLES... isn't it?
And we are sharing OUR opinion about it... right?
Compare photos and share opinions are attacks at his identity? I don't think so...
Some of us can see ( crystal clear ) that there are more than one Michael Jackson, but if you don't like this idea please just skip those threads.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: Kuki on April 09, 2010, 07:38:16 AM
I try as hard as I can but I simply cannot see the difference. To me all the pics are those of "our" Michael. I for one read these topics because maybe one day I will see the difference. But till this day I dont buy the double theorie.....
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 09, 2010, 07:39:30 AM
I truly don't want to offend anyone with this question, but I'm wondering if the people who see differences are a fan? I have the idea that most of the 'double-believers' are no fans, but that they are only investigating the hoax? I'm just curious, because I'm a fan and I don't see it....
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: misha86 on April 10, 2010, 01:38:35 PM
Quote from: "PinkTopaz"
Quote from: "wiZZkIDD"
Hey Misha..we havent been formerly introduced as you probaly know me as WizzKidd lol  ;)..yes i knew i have seen this pictures before from you along time ago..and i to wouldnt be surprised if michael was still black till this day  :) to me michael was about "magic" and creating excapism so to speak..cant wait to post the video
Really? If that is true..then Michael Jackson is one sick, ugly human being. All that work of saying he had a terrible disease (or whichever fakeass made it up) and making everyone feel all sympathetic, making TONS of people get laughed at trying to defend him and- *gasp!!!* It's not real?! Dear Lord..
you can have vitiligo and ot turn all the way white
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: misha86 on April 10, 2010, 01:39:08 PM
Quote from: "JACKSONGIRL"
Quote from: "misha86"
(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg186%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg186%2F7493%2Fmj1s%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=ef4bf20e0795deb08f1e0f99330b521f) (http://http://img186.imageshack.us/i/mj1s.jpg/)

(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg266%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg266%2F5334%2Fmj2d%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=1fa5f81b1d090a23bfd54f9634ce708b) (http://http://img266.imageshack.us/i/mj2d.jpg/)
^^^ where did the scar go???????

(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg38%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg38%2F3594%2Fdangerw%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=013936c805844965228e6bf284ada850) (http://http://img38.imageshack.us/i/dangerw.jpg/)
20 to 30 years later and you can still see the scar.....
photoshop?  i edit pimples and scars out all the time.
photoshop in 1971?
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: misha86 on April 10, 2010, 01:40:16 PM
Quote from: "darkchild"
I remember hearing awhile back about the importance of a scar on MJ's cheek.  I think it was on his left cheek.  Was this scar ever mentioned in the autopsy report? Wow, this is a very interesting post.  I think I am going back to my padded cell. My head is spinning.
 :?  :?
yes in 1 of them, they meantioned him having hair still, a good weight, a scar and other none ill sounding discribtions
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: misha86 on April 10, 2010, 01:43:19 PM
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
I truly don't want to offend anyone with this question, but I'm wondering if the people who see differences are a fan? I have the idea that most of the 'double-believers' are no fans, but that they are only investigating the hoax? I'm just curious, because I'm a fan and I don't see it....
yes i am a fan...and lol @ you thinking that if your a fan you would not be able to see a difference :roll: if i wasnt a fan i wouldnt care to investigate anything :roll:
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: misha86 on April 10, 2010, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: "Christiana"
The scar he has is on his left cheek, which I can't see visible in either picture.

The other differences you mentioned can be attributed to any or all of the following:
.
on the picture where he is a teen you dont see the scar on the first picture? if you click on the picture they get bigger, you can see it on the first picture and not on the second


and for the people saying its photo shop, why would they have a picture that has been touched up and 1 that hasn't right next to each other on the same site from the 70s??? and lighting is not going or make up is not going to make the scar go away. I have seen pictures of him on the history tour and the thriller era  where you can see the scar and he clearly has on makeup. and if it was make up on those pictures again why would they do have the shoot with out make up?
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: JACKSONGIRL on April 10, 2010, 01:52:51 PM
Quote from: "Raven"
Sorry to spoil your fun here, but on both pictures of when he was little, a scar can be seen on his cheek.

It is  hard to see since his head is turned around, but if you look well enough it is there. Just because it is not on the picture does not mean they are not there. You can NOT use a picture like that were the head is turned to 'proof' there is no scar and even more, not that they are 2 persons.

It would really be appreciated if you would only mention that there is a twin or a double if you have concrete, hard evidence because this is becoming very annoying.

There are not 2 persons.
i hear you i understand the double theory but now there two, im sorry sometimes things just get too ridiculous and blown out there. I'm sure if he had a twin eventually by now it would have been talked about or found out about how can you keep a child hidden away like that so well when your the biggest watched family out there. sorry. but that is the same kid, they are both michael, the position changes can work wonders.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: JACKSONGIRL on April 10, 2010, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: "misha86"
Quote from: "JACKSONGIRL"
Quote from: "misha86"
(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg186%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg186%2F7493%2Fmj1s%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=ef4bf20e0795deb08f1e0f99330b521f) (http://http://img186.imageshack.us/i/mj1s.jpg/)

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^^^ where did the scar go???????

(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg38%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg38%2F3594%2Fdangerw%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=013936c805844965228e6bf284ada850) (http://http://img38.imageshack.us/i/dangerw.jpg/)
20 to 30 years later and you can still see the scar.....
photoshop?  i edit pimples and scars out all the time.
photoshop in 1971?
not photoshop exaclty but im sure they had some photo editing technology. OYY.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 10, 2010, 02:01:43 PM
Quote from: "misha86"
yes i am a fan...and lol @ you thinking that if your a fan you would not be able to see a difference :roll: if i wasnt a fan i wouldnt care to investigate anything :roll:

I'm not thinking that a fan wouldn't be able to see the difference, I'm just asking because I'm a fan and I don't see it. And I know from several people who believe in the double theory that they're no fans.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: JACKSONGIRL on April 10, 2010, 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
I truly don't want to offend anyone with this question, but I'm wondering if the people who see differences are a fan? I have the idea that most of the 'double-believers' are no fans, but that they are only investigating the hoax? I'm just curious, because I'm a fan and I don't see it....
i'm a fan but not to an extreme length, so i perfectly capable of looking at things carefully and pointing out differences but these two little boys are the same, i doubt he would be using double at that young of an age.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: Steph16 on April 11, 2010, 06:06:37 AM
I very much doubt he had a twin or double when he was younger. If it was a twin then why hide him? Joe wouldve tried to make twice the money. Why would they have needed a double at such a young age too when he wasn't as famous as some stars who didn't use doubles. The scar appearing and disappearing could be due to many things like lighting, makeup, Photoshop. Same with the facial features.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: Kuki on April 11, 2010, 06:17:34 AM
Quote from: "Steph16"
I very much doubt he had a twin or double when he was younger. If it was a twin then why hide him? Joe wouldve tried to make twice the money. Why would they have needed a double at such a young age too when he wasn't as famous as some stars who didn't use doubles.

I totally agree with you!! It would be inhumane to hide someone to the rest of the world!
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 11, 2010, 07:23:41 AM
Quote from: "Kuki"
Quote from: "Steph16"
I very much doubt he had a twin or double when he was younger. If it was a twin then why hide him? Joe wouldve tried to make twice the money. Why would they have needed a double at such a young age too when he wasn't as famous as some stars who didn't use doubles.

I totally agree with you!! It would be inhumane to hide someone to the rest of the world!

+1, it makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: GirlSaturday on April 11, 2010, 09:21:40 AM
I am a fan.  Plus, my mind is objective and open.  

My support of MJ is not limited to merely viewing one angle of this hoax investigation. Some fans see one angle and only one...BAM day. For many of them, any discussion outside of BAM day causes them to lose interest in the hoax investigation. In order to maintain objectivity, I must consider the various possibilities of what led MJ to make the decision to design this hoax.

Non-fans or marginal fans are often scrutinized  for their participation on hoax forums. Their presence is needed to bring objectivity and fresh eyes. Some....not all...but some fans only see through rose-colored glasses with things related to MJ. Non fans or marginal fans provide a much needed balance to the investigation.

Some doubles discussions I agree with while others I disagree with. However, discussion of the possibility of doubles should not cause such disarray on the forum. Remember who it is that is being investigated? The man who loved illusions. What greater illusion could have existed than for there to have been more than one MJ hiding in plain sight?

Quote from: "MJJ1982"
I truly don't want to offend anyone with this question, but I'm wondering if the people who see differences are a fan? I have the idea that most of the 'double-believers' are no fans, but that they are only investigating the hoax? I'm just curious, because I'm a fan and I don't see it....
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: misha86 on April 13, 2010, 09:48:45 PM
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
Quote from: "misha86"
yes i am a fan...and lol @ you thinking that if your a fan you would not be able to see a difference :roll: if i wasnt a fan i wouldnt care to investigate anything :roll:

I'm not thinking that a fan wouldn't be able to see the difference, I'm just asking because I'm a fan and I don't see it. And I know from several people who believe in the double theory that they're no fans.
well im not 1 of them
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: Zen on April 13, 2010, 11:45:16 PM
I have never like that word FAN, it is short for fanatic.  But,
it is not always so of course.  
Can you admire and appreciate some ones talent or their
motives and life.   I admire many people, but just don't go
so far as to say I am a fan.  NO offense to those who like
the word.   :oops:
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: mykidsmum on April 13, 2010, 11:57:16 PM
Quote from: "misha86"
(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg186%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg186%2F7493%2Fmj1s%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=ef4bf20e0795deb08f1e0f99330b521f) (http://http://img186.imageshack.us/i/mj1s.jpg/)

(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg266%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg266%2F5334%2Fmj2d%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=1fa5f81b1d090a23bfd54f9634ce708b) (http://http://img266.imageshack.us/i/mj2d.jpg/)
^^^ where did the scar go???????

(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg38%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg38%2F3594%2Fdangerw%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=013936c805844965228e6bf284ada850) (http://http://img38.imageshack.us/i/dangerw.jpg/)
20 to 30 years later and you can still see the scar.....
are you freakin serious?  I gotta get outta here....  This is a professional photography session.  One of the pics is done in low light..you can see more detail in the face...including scar.  The other one is done in more light, that washes out detail...like scars.... or...like they do today with photo shop, they could have ben retouched.  But unlike today, they were not done on computer, they were done by hand.  There are many many photo shoot pictures where you can see that they retouched his scar.  I swear I'm gonna pull my hair out.  And to the original poster of this thread.  The two photos look different because his HEAD is at different angels in each picture!  His Afro looks so different because you are seeing more of the top of his head in the bottom picture.  My GOSH people!  Take a photography class or two and learn about perspective!
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: GreenManMakeAChange on April 14, 2010, 12:11:01 AM
I don't buy it.  Sometimes scars aren't visible in pictures, and other times they are
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: Kuki on April 14, 2010, 04:37:42 AM
@mykidsmum: I love your sig, it's say it all for me, there is and always have been only ONE Michael!
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 14, 2010, 04:39:47 AM
Please post your answer about doubles-fan in this topic:
viewtopic.php?f=99&t=8631 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=8631)
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: somekindofsign on April 14, 2010, 10:19:09 AM
One thing is for sure...

If MJ had a twin and they hid it from day 1... they´re not as good marketing business men as we thought.

Having 2 MJs and don´t take profit from it?
What for since childhood?
To protect them so they can have a rest?
Who thought that? Joe?  :lol:
What protected the rest of the siblings?
Or they just had to protect MJ because of what he was going to become later?
And who results with the casuality that had a twin!!!! (No emoticon for my face...)

Sorry, theree´s no way it has sense.

I don´t know if my love for him "blurs" my eyes... by I think that preciselly to be a fan makes me know that ass  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: the arabian nights on April 14, 2010, 10:25:51 AM
i agree with the other posters

there is no twin or double

i think with respect you have to be responsible about what you put up as a thread

otherwise its scandalmongering
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: Kuki on April 14, 2010, 11:25:47 AM
No twins. Period.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 14, 2010, 01:19:51 PM
I just can't imagine that a mother and father (in this case Joe and Katherine) would hide their child... And why? When Michael was born, they could never know that he became famous in the future.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: Kuki on April 14, 2010, 01:27:26 PM
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
I just can't imagine that a mother and father (in this case Joe and Katherine) would hide their child... And why? When Michael was born, they could never know that he became famous in the future.

Exactly!
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: liegi on April 14, 2010, 02:48:48 PM
However, and this just for the sake of discussion (I would like to stress it is not what I believe), what about Marlon at the end of the Memorial?  It was significant that he mentioned his twin brother.  The age would have been about Michael's, right?
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: MJJ1982 on April 14, 2010, 02:51:50 PM
Quote from: "liegi"
However, and this just for the sake of discussion (I would like to stress it is not what I believe), what about Marlon at the end of the Memorial?  It was significant that he mentioned his twin brother.  The age would have been about Michael's, right?

Marlon and Brandon who passed are one year older than Michael.

It's not that significant, because it's not a secret that Marlon had a twin brother who died.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: techdiva on April 17, 2010, 09:17:50 PM
Quote from: "misha86"
I posted these pictures on the other last year and no one cared  :lol: but since i have came back and i see more people are looking into the double/twin theory I decided to post these pictures again.

While looking though his site to see how far back the multiple mjs go back i came across these pictures and IMO they look like 2 different lil boys...I will note what i see different and i would love for you to do the same.

(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fimg51%26%2346%3Bimageshack%26%2346%3Bus%2Fimg51%2F9848%2Fmj1one%26%2346%3Bth%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=2bfde4bfdfc7ffd6a8c53349b4227109) (http://http://img51.imageshack.us/i/mj1one.jpg/)

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on the top picture, notice the scar on his cheek, that is still visible today, and on the second picture it is not there

a his eyebrows seem to be thinner and the fuller bottom lip on the top picture

the bottom picture has fuller browsn and fuller top lip

but all and all it doesnt look like the same boy to me, the first picture looks like the michael we have always seem and the 2nd picture just doesnt "feel" familiar to me

edit: the way that the afros lay are different also
I found more photos of MJ without the scar.
http://http://mjjgallery.free.fr/earlyyears/solo/photoshoots/photoshoot2/035.jpg
http://http://mjjgallery.free.fr/earlyyears/solo/photoshoots/diltz/009.jpg
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: nefari on June 03, 2010, 04:37:05 AM
Let me post something here that fascinates me and I can only believe that in writing this Michael was referring to a silent twin and it haunts me, bothers me, makes me wonder in amazement at what on earth we all may still find in our investigations....it just boggles the mind and sounds to me like Michael was hoping for an end to the torture of keeping someone hidden, a loved one that remained silent, someone who was a like soul but different body, someone who stayed silent to protect him from something or to help him with something! :shock:

This is from page 85 of Dancing the Dream:
Two Birds
It's hard to tell them what I feel for you. They haven't ever met you, and
no one has your picture. So how can they ever understand your mystery?
Let's give them a clue:

Two birds sit in a tree. One eats cherries, while the other looks on.
Two birds fly through the air. One's song drops like crystal from the sky while the other keeps silent. Two birds wheel in the sun. One catches the light on its silver feathers, while the other spreads wings of invisibility.

It's easy to guess which bird I am, but they'll never find you. Unless...
Unless they already know a love that never interferes, that watches from beyond, that breathes free in the invisible air. Sweet bird, my soul, your silence is so precious. How long will it be before the world hears your song in mine?

Oh, that is a day I hunger for!
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: MJonmind on June 03, 2010, 11:55:21 AM
Quote from: "nefari"
Let me post something here that fascinates me and I can only believe that in writing this Michael was referring to a silent twin and it haunts me, bothers me, makes me wonder in amazement at what on earth we all may still find in our investigations....it just boggles the mind and sounds to me like Michael was hoping for an end to the torture of keeping someone hidden, a loved one that remained silent, someone who was a like soul but different body, someone who stayed silent to protect him from something or to help him with something! :shock:

This is from page 85 of Dancing the Dream:
Two Birds
It's hard to tell them what I feel for you. They haven't ever met you, and
no one has your picture. So how can they ever understand your mystery?
Let's give them a clue:

Two birds sit in a tree. One eats cherries, while the other looks on.
Two birds fly through the air. One's song drops like crystal from the sky while the other keeps silent. Two birds wheel in the sun. One catches the light on its silver feathers, while the other spreads wings of invisibility.

It's easy to guess which bird I am, but they'll never find you. Unless...
Unless they already know a love that never interferes, that watches from beyond, that breathes free in the invisible air. Sweet bird, my soul, your silence is so precious. How long will it be before the world hears your song in mine?

Oh, that is a day I hunger for!


I went to the Dancing the Dream book site, and read the 2 birds poem there too. It is indeed mysteriously pointing to a double/twin all his life. I can think of 3 options.

1. Like in Prestige he's had a twin all his life. Rather than it being Marlon's twin, however, it was Michael's. When MJ started showing promise, the Jackson's held a fake funeral for their son and kept up with the secret twin. I personally think this would have been IMPOSSIBLE to maintain over the years. Besides they didn't know he would be famous then.

2. Everyone here mostly believes in the Illuminati and the mind control their handlers have over many in the entertainment business. Joe may well have been a handler (someone once gave proof of that) for Michael. Extreme physical abuse is part of the method of causing a personality to fracture or split. There have been other threads on this theme. I think Michael for practically all his life had 2 main personalities. Along what lines they are split I'm not sure. (There may also have been doubles used loosely along the way, but I'm talking about 1 twin that was indestinguishable from the other in every way.) This split but in his mind 2 different people could explain this poem.

3. Because of his childhood abuse and the extreme pressures of performance and celebrityism, and terrible loneliness, Michael developed on his own, an imaginary friend (like Wilson, the basketball friend that Tom Hanks had for 4 years marooned on the island). This friend would also have been invisible to the outside world, but for Michael a necessary countnerpart to share his hopes, dreams, ideas.

I just feel that because of the necessary collaboration of hundreds in his family, thousands in the profession, and millions of avid followers, that would have seen glimpes of an actual twin that was identical, and NO ONE HAS LEAKED out that there were two of them. The logistics of arranging things with his own 3 kids, 2 marriages, legal papers would be astronomical. It's easy in a movie like Prestige, but not in real life.

So for me Michael has had either an mind-controlled alter (which he may have gotten healing/restoring from) or an imaginary friend to bring him some relief since he is such a sensitive soul.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: nefari on June 03, 2010, 01:24:15 PM
As a huge Lord of the Rings fan I am seeing Gollum/Smeagol here or a similar situation except Michael is not evil like Gollum but what Smeagol endured from the powers of the ring over the years of survival, the splitting into 2 just to live, to maintain somewhat of a life as twisted as it was and his obsession with the ring the entire time, always striving to please the Precious despite what it did to him! Michael I think is obsessed with perfecting his craft to the point he drives himself to extremes and this was drilled into him by his Father, and as the drilling continued, the split came.....the meek scared little boy on one side and the powerful sexy work a holic singer/dancer on the other. But I still have to ask, where do the Brandon Jackson's, the Wylie Drapers, Rockwells and the Navis and E-Cass's all fit into the scheme of things.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: Dreamdancer on June 03, 2010, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: "Christiana"
The scar he has is on his left cheek, which I can't see visible in either picture.

The other differences you mentioned can be attributed to any or all of the following:

Change in the position of Michael's head
Change in the the position of Michael's mouth
Change in the lighting
Change in the position of the camera being used
Changing in the position of the photographer
Photoshopping

I myself don't buy into the doubles/twin theory. I have nothing against anyone who does, but it would take a LOT, LOT more in the way of proof to convince me otherwise.

Agree 100 %
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: i[MISS]my[KING] on June 03, 2010, 03:09:01 PM
SAME BEAUTIFUL BOY
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: Its her on October 17, 2010, 04:47:56 PM
Quote from: "nefari"
Let me post something here that fascinates me and I can only believe that in writing this Michael was referring to a silent twin and it haunts me, bothers me, makes me wonder in amazement at what on earth we all may still find in our investigations....it just boggles the mind and sounds to me like Michael was hoping for an end to the torture of keeping someone hidden, a loved one that remained silent, someone who was a like soul but different body, someone who stayed silent to protect him from something or to help him with something! :shock:

This is from page 85 of Dancing the Dream:
Two Birds
It's hard to tell them what I feel for you. They haven't ever met you, and
no one has your picture. So how can they ever understand your mystery?
Let's give them a clue:

Two birds sit in a tree. One eats cherries, while the other looks on.
Two birds fly through the air. One's song drops like crystal from the sky while the other keeps silent. Two birds wheel in the sun. One catches the light on its silver feathers, while the other spreads wings of invisibility.

It's easy to guess which bird I am, but they'll never find you. Unless...
Unless they already know a love that never interferes, that watches from beyond, that breathes free in the invisible air. Sweet bird, my soul, your silence is so precious. How long will it be before the world hears your song in mine?

Oh, that is a day I hunger for!


I just want to make some notes here, because I actually DO see TWO REAL MJs in videos and pictures. I myself found some interesting, amazing stuff in the poem, but this poem can't be used to bolster the premise, because the "other" in the poem:

1} Does not eat; therefore NOT human. :?

2} No picture of him exists; the ultimate  :x meanness, in a millionaire family to NOT have  taken ANY photos  :cry: of his existence.

3} Makes no audible sound; even a dead leaf rustles on the ground.

4} Is invisible, EVEN in the very same spotlight as the known star of the silver screen and shows!

So...it is NOT  another human being.

Then he tells us Who the "other" IS:

A love that never interferes: God?
That watches from beyond: God?
That breathes free in the invisible air: God?
Sweet bird, my soul, your silence {THIS STILLNESS} is so precious

How long will it be before the world :o  hears  :D your ;)  song 8-)  in :idea:  mine :ugeek: ?

MJ spent hours and  hours
[/color]ALONE, that is, to the human eye.

 He read Scripture, thought and thought about things he read, and delightfully discovered he was NOT alone. :D

He KNEW he was not alone. Someone quiet was with him. The still small voice the Bible speaks of... ;) , COMMUNING with his Seeker soul...

This communion is so sweet, so intimate, he probably didn't realize it was Someone BESIDES his own soul, at the time he wrote this. I don't know if JWs believe in a personal relationship with God Himself; I don't know if he knew THEN, that this was possible. But, the Bible says if you draw close to Him, He will draw close to YOU! 8-)

And we KNOW Mike was looking for a way to meld his SOUL--THIS sweet part of his faith and belief which pulls God into you, which made him feel THIS, into every note he sang... IMHO :)  :D
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: suspicious mind on October 17, 2010, 06:53:17 PM
Quote from: "Its her"
Quote from: "nefari"
Let me post something here that fascinates me and I can only believe that in writing this Michael was referring to a silent twin and it haunts me, bothers me, makes me wonder in amazement at what on earth we all may still find in our investigations....it just boggles the mind and sounds to me like Michael was hoping for an end to the torture of keeping someone hidden, a loved one that remained silent, someone who was a like soul but different body, someone who stayed silent to protect him from something or to help him with something! :shock:

This is from page 85 of Dancing the Dream:
Two Birds
It's hard to tell them what I feel for you. They haven't ever met you, and
no one has your picture. So how can they ever understand your mystery?
Let's give them a clue:

Two birds sit in a tree. One eats cherries, while the other looks on.
Two birds fly through the air. One's song drops like crystal from the sky while the other keeps silent. Two birds wheel in the sun. One catches the light on its silver feathers, while the other spreads wings of invisibility.

It's easy to guess which bird I am, but they'll never find you. Unless...
Unless they already know a love that never interferes, that watches from beyond, that breathes free in the invisible air. Sweet bird, my soul, your silence is so precious.Oh, that is a day I hunger for!


I just want to make some notes here, because I actually DO see TWO REAL MJs in videos and pictures. I myself found some interesting, amazing stuff in the poem, but this poem can't be used to bolster the premise, because the "other" in the poem:

1} Does not eat; therefore NOT human. :?

2} No picture of him exists; the ultimate  :x meanness, in a millionaire family to NOT have  taken ANY photos  :cry: of his existence.

3} Makes no audible sound; even a dead leaf rustles on the ground.

4} Is invisible, EVEN in the very same spotlight as the known star of the silver screen and shows!

So...it is NOT  another human being.

Then he tells us Who the "other" IS:

A love that never interferes: God?
That watches from beyond: God?
That breathes free in the invisible air: God?
Sweet bird, my soul, your silence {THIS STILLNESS} is so precious

How long will it be before the world :o  hears  :D your ;)  song 8-)  in :idea:  mine :ugeek: ?

MJ spent hours and  hours
[/color]ALONE, that is, to the human eye.

 He read Scripture, thought and thought about things he read, and delightfully discovered he was NOT alone. :D

He KNEW he was not alone. Someone quiet was with him. The still small voice the Bible speaks of... ;) , COMMUNING with his Seeker soul...

This communion is so sweet, so intimate, he probably didn't realize it was Someone BESIDES his own soul, at the time he wrote this. I don't know if JWs believe in a personal relationship with God Himself; I don't know if he knew THEN, that this was possible. But, the Bible says if you draw close to Him, He will draw close to YOU! 8-)

And we KNOW Mike was looking for a way to meld his SOUL--THIS sweet part of his faith and belief which pulls God into you, which made him feel THIS, into every note he sang... IMHO :)  :D

indeed some already have ;)
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: mjfjei7777 on December 30, 2010, 08:39:03 PM
hi everyone
 i think nefari is right i think there were two of him a twin.
let me explain further.
 look at speed demon then look at him in bad videi it is not the same person there is no way.its close to looking like him but it isnt.thenlook at him in leave me alone .
one is really rough and sexy and beautiful all together then the other one is just beautiful.even look at the part in the hair you can tell the real mike right away he always had it parted the same way.the other one looks like he just made the part but his hair doesnt fall around his face like the real mike.
 speed demon is the one that just stuck out for me.
and the ears are different even the teeth .they may look the same but look closer mikes were more bigger  and the other one looks perfect.then look at his eyes ones eyes are more soulful ,the other one has bigger wider eyes.
i have just noticed this like mike did some things and his twin did the other things.
maybe some concerts mike did but his twin did some too.miami orange bowl victory tour is definitly mike.
then look at bad short film there are two people playing the parts just look at the faces side by side.ones lips are bigger  the other one has a bigger lip up top and smaller lip on the bottom.and the ears slightly different.
you really have to observe it.
i think he did have a twin and one died.
just my opinion wanted to share
god bless
mjfjei7777
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: ladymjc on December 30, 2010, 09:11:08 PM
I think in the poem he is referring to the person that only he knows in his soul and the person he is on stage that we think he is. The one who  gets the luxuries of eating whatever he wants, singing to us for entertainment and is always in the spotlight.  All the while the real Michael sits silently, alone, and invisible to everyone.  He wants so badly to be able to show everyone who he really is but he can not because of the media, tabloids, rumors and everything else that prevents him from doing so.  All he wants is to be able to walk up to a stranger in the grocery store and have a regular conversation about what is on sell in the produce aisle. That is his soul. Most guessed that he was the one on stage and he'll never be found again because he is no longer with us. Unless...we know a love that never interferes, the love we have for him no matter as he watches us from beyond for the first time while he is free, breathing the invisible air.

Now that the King of Pop has "died" and Michael Jackson can speak,  how long will it be before we hear what he really had to say?  
His silence is precious.

I do not believe he has/had a twin.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: techdiva on December 30, 2010, 10:36:35 PM
Quote from: "mjfjei7777"
hi everyone
 i think nefari is right i think there were two of him a twin.
let me explain further.
 look at speed demon then look at him in bad videi it is not the same person there is no way.its close to looking like him but it isnt.thenlook at him in leave me alone .
one is really rough and sexy and beautiful all together then the other one is just beautiful.even look at the part in the hair you can tell the real mike right away he always had it parted the same way.the other one looks like he just made the part but his hair doesnt fall around his face like the real mike.
 speed demon is the one that just stuck out for me.
and the ears are different even the teeth .they may look the same but look closer mikes were more bigger  and the other one looks perfect.then look at his eyes ones eyes are more soulful ,the other one has bigger wider eyes.
i have just noticed this like mike did some things and his twin did the other things.
maybe some concerts mike did but his twin did some too.miami orange bowl victory tour is definitly mike.
then look at bad short film there are two people playing the parts just look at the faces side by side.ones lips are bigger  the other one has a bigger lip up top and smaller lip on the bottom.and the ears slightly different.
you really have to observe it.
i think he did have a twin and one died.
just my opinion wanted to share
god bless
mjfjei7777
I totally agree with you, because I have been studying for awhile. What drew my attention was the glove. When Mike did the Motown 25, he wore the glove on the left hand. All the sudden you would see it on the right hand. Also, I'd noticed in "The Jacksons: An American Dream" Wylie Draper wore the glove on the right hand. That disturbed me for awhile until I saw the Motown 25 on youtube. Then I would start to notice Michael's eyes. They were not the same. I do believe that a twin died also. I think the twin was using the oxygen tanks. Mike even said he had six brothers and three sisters when the Jackson 5 appeared on American Bandstand. Latoya has said she had six brothers, but now she has five. I feel that Mike has been leaving clues for a very long time.  Also, this reminds me alot of the movie "The Prestige."

God Bless you to and everyone.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: suspicious mind on December 30, 2010, 11:31:19 PM
Quote from: "ladymjc"
I think in the poem he is referring to the person that only he knows in his soul and the person he is on stage that we think he is. The one who  gets the luxuries of eating whatever he wants, singing to us for entertainment and is always in the spotlight.  All the while the real Michael sits silently, alone, and invisible to everyone.  He wants so badly to be able to show everyone who he really is but he can not because of the media, tabloids, rumors and everything else that prevents him from doing so.  All he wants is to be able to walk up to a stranger in the grocery store and have a regular conversation about what is on sell in the produce aisle. That is his soul. Most guessed that he was the one on stage and he'll never be found again because he is no longer with us. Unless...we know a love that never interferes, the love we have for him no matter as he watches us from beyond for the first time while he is free, breathing the invisible air.

Now that the King of Pop has "died" and Michael Jackson can speak,  how long will it be before we hear what he really had to say?  
His silence is precious.

I do not believe he has/had a twin.

i am leaning toward a combination of your impression and that of its her
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: Its her on December 30, 2010, 11:34:45 PM
Quote from: "techdiva"
Quote from: "mjfjei7777"
hi everyone
 i think nefari is right i think there were two of him a twin.
let me explain further.
 look at speed demon then look at him in bad videi it is not the same person there is no way.its close to looking like him but it isnt.thenlook at him in leave me alone .
one is really rough and sexy and beautiful all together then the other one is just beautiful.even look at the part in the hair you can tell the real mike right away he always had it parted the same way.the other one looks like he just made the part but his hair doesnt fall around his face like the real mike.
 speed demon is the one that just stuck out for me.
and the ears are different even the teeth .they may look the same but look closer mikes were more bigger  and the other one looks perfect.then look at his eyes ones eyes are more soulful ,the other one has bigger wider eyes.
i have just noticed this like mike did some things and his twin did the other things.
maybe some concerts mike did but his twin did some too.miami orange bowl victory tour is definitly mike.
then look at bad short film there are two people playing the parts just look at the faces side by side.ones lips are bigger  the other one has a bigger lip up top and smaller lip on the bottom.and the ears slightly different.
you really have to observe it.
i think he did have a twin and one died.
just my opinion wanted to share
god bless
mjfjei7777
I totally agree with you, because I have been studying for awhile. What drew my attention was the glove. When Mike did the Motown 25, he wore the glove on the left hand. All the sudden you would see it on the right hand. Also, I'd noticed in "The Jacksons: An American Dream" Wylie Draper wore the glove on the right hand. That disturbed me for awhile until I saw the Motown 25 on youtube. Then I would start to notice Michael's eyes. They were not the same. I do believe that a twin died also. I think the twin was using the oxygen tanks. Mike even said he had six brothers and three sisters when the Jackson 5 appeared on American Bandstand. Latoya has said she had six brothers, but now she has five. I feel that Mike has been leaving clues for a very long time.  Also, this reminds me alot of the movie "The Prestige."

God Bless you to and everyone.

If MJ has a twin, he's very much alive. There are too many silly and Just For Fun aspects to this Adventure, for anything so monstrously sad to be a part of it. I can't imagine Mike telling us about a brother he continually switched places with in the persona we all loved, AFTER he's all dead and cold. This means, amongst other things... the dead one never knew how much THE WORLD loved him---because he was already dead when MJ (the "other" one) faked HIS death, and EVERYONE, even strangers, cried. omg this makes me sick. It's not the truth. It's sad enough that a brother we never knew died as a baby. Let's beLIEve positive unless/until the man himself says so, eh?  :) Peace and Joy.
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on December 31, 2010, 03:26:08 AM
Maybe it was MICHAEL who had the twin brother, and he in fact, did NOT die... :?

And maybe that picture with the scar was edited by someone on the computer (im not saying they edited it in the 70s, but today, maybe someone came across it and took it out) or maybe they applied make-up to it. :?
Title: Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??
Post by: techdiva on December 31, 2010, 05:46:34 AM
I found this from an interview that Michael did when he was married to Lisa Marie Presley.
http://http://media.photobucket.com/image/michael+jackson+and+lisa+marie+presley+/CECB1977/Michael%2520J%2520Jackson%2520And%2520Lisa%2520Marie%2520Presley/MichaelJackson-LisaMarieAnnounceThe.jpg#!oZZ142QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fmedia.photobucket.com%2Fimage%2Fmichael%20jackson%20and%20lisa%20marie%20presley%2FFlightlessBird13%2FThe%20Perfect%20Couple%2FMichaelandLisa15.jpg%3Fo%3D142