Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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Michael Jackson -- The Eyes Have It
Posted Apr 6th 2010 3:50PM by TMZ Staff
Michael Jackson's eyes could be powerful evidence in favor of Dr. Conrad Murray.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2010/04/0406_michael_eyes.jpg)
TMZ broke the story ... Dr. Murray's lawyers will argue Jackson accidentally killed himself by self-injecting a lethal dose of Propofol into his bloodstream. As we reported, Dr. Murray says he left the bedroom for a short time, came back in and saw Michael with his eyes wide open and pupils dilated.
Medical experts who spoke with TMZ say ... if a patient is sleeping and dies of an overdose, their eyes most likely would not open. The defense position -- Jackson woke up when Murray was out of the room, became frustrated he couldn't sleep, grabbed the Propofol bottle and "pushed it" -- killing himself.
If a jury believes Jackson's eyes were open, they could also believe Jackson was awake and, perhaps, capable of grabbing the Propofol bottle which was on the nightstand.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0kLtE3oZD (http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0kLtE3oZD)
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I don't buy this at all and WTH is it that TMZ have so many medical & law "sources" running to them with these stories... this imo is BS at it's highest level.
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tmz is full of it
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TABLOID NEWS IS ALL THIS IS. :x
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This is what i said at the beginning about the eyes!!!
Alavarez said that when he entered the room, Michaels eyes and mouth were wide open and, to me, this suggested that Michael was awake when he died. Because if he was asleep, surely his eyes would be shut??
This is beginning to get horrific... but that was my first question when i read Alvarez's version of events.
Its haunting me.
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so what? now they figure this out? it took them this long? how long will it take for then to realise he is alive?
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This is what i said at the beginning about the eyes!!!
Alavarez said that when he entered the room, Michaels eyes and mouth were wide open and, to me, this suggested that Michael was awake when he died. Because if he was asleep, surely his eyes would be shut??
This is beginning to get horrific... but that was my first question when i read Alvarez's version of events.
Its haunting me.
I dont want to scare you, but when people are asleep, and then die, they often wake up just before they die. Of cause some dont. I have seen it quite some times at my work, people who have been in bed for weeks, sleeping almost the whole time, and then minuttes before death, they wake up.
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This is what i said at the beginning about the eyes!!!
Alavarez said that when he entered the room, Michaels eyes and mouth were wide open and, to me, this suggested that Michael was awake when he died. Because if he was asleep, surely his eyes would be shut??
This is beginning to get horrific... but that was my first question when i read Alvarez's version of events.
Its haunting me.
I dont want to scare you, but when people are asleep, and then die, they often wake up just before they die. Of cause some dont. I have seen it quite some times at my work, people who have been in bed for weeks, sleeping almost the whole time, and then minuttes before death, they wake up.
Yes.. but Michael died suddenly and unexpectadly. He was supposed to be under heavy sedation.. so if he was sedated and asleep he wouldnt just suddenly awaken and then die.. he would die under sedation of the drugs. know what i mean?
I have always had this niggle about these small details, and the eyes open was one of them.
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Also there is the question of the large amounts of Propofol in MJs system.. this is consistent with the theory that MJ recieved a massive shot of Propofol which killed him instantly. Therefore the body didnt have enough time to circulate it through the body and work it out.
If there is any scenario which is believable it is that Michael was awake when he recieved that fatal shot. Whether Murray gave it to him, someone else did or MJ did.. that was (in my mind) what happened if MJ did die.
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This is what i said at the beginning about the eyes!!!
Alavarez said that when he entered the room, Michaels eyes and mouth were wide open and, to me, this suggested that Michael was awake when he died. Because if he was asleep, surely his eyes would be shut??
This is beginning to get horrific... but that was my first question when i read Alvarez's version of events.
Its haunting me.
I dont want to scare you, but when people are asleep, and then die, they often wake up just before they die. Of cause some dont. I have seen it quite some times at my work, people who have been in bed for weeks, sleeping almost the whole time, and then minuttes before death, they wake up.
Yes.. but Michael died suddenly and unexpectadly. He was supposed to be under heavy sedation.. so if he was sedated and asleep he wouldnt just suddenly awaken and then die.. he would die under sedation of the drugs. know what i mean?
I have always had this niggle about these small details, and the eyes open was one of them.
I know, but even if people are asleep and suddenly gets a bleeding in the brain, they wake up. I would think it sometimes is the same with cadiact arrest.
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He didnt die of a cardiac arrest.. it was respiratory failure which led to his heart stopping. It wasnt a heart attack. He stopped breathing first.
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He didnt die of a cardiac arrest.. it was respiratory failure which led to his heart stopping. It wasnt a heart attack. He stopped breathing first.
yes i know, but i diden't know the words for it, sorry. :( I think all this with Michaels eyes is just to make the defense of CM more realistic.Then he gets free, and where is the crime then ?
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He didnt die of a cardiac arrest.. it was respiratory failure which led to his heart stopping. It wasnt a heart attack. He stopped breathing first.
yes i know, but i diden't know the words for it, sorry. :( I think all this with Michaels eyes is just to make the defense of CM more realistic.Then he gets free, and where is the crime then ?
I dont know.. it is stinging with me, because the first thing that stood out to me about Alvarezs statement was the eyes being open and i wrote about it here on another thread.
If he was heavily sedated and asleep when he died his eyes would have been closed. I know what you are saying, but if he was heavily sedated when he stopped breathing he wouldnt have woken up because the drugs would have prevented that.. he would have just slipped away.
He didnt have a sudden heart attack in normal sleep.. he was supposed to be heavily sedated and his heart was healthy in the autopsy. He stopped breathing which lead to the cariac arrest (and cardiac arrest just means the heart stops.. heart attack means something else)
The eyes being open thing makes me think he was awake when he died (if).. and that it was a massive dose of Propofol that did it. There is no other explanation that makes sense to me in all of this.
It also explains the high level of Propofol in his system... and Murray always has insisted that he didnt administer this level of the drug
What if Murray is telling the truth? Something about Murray has always made me think that he isnt as guilty as some make out. Yes he was a greedy, a-moralistic enabler who clearly disregarded any proper medical procedure or cared about Michaels health or addictions or questionable sleeping habits... but a murderer? Im not so sure.
The time span is a difficult one.. as seems a bit co-incidental that Michael would wake up precisely at the time Murray leaves the room to do this himself.. but its possible i think. I have to keep an open mind, no matter how painful. Only with the truth can i free myself.
The other option is that someone else did this... and thats another horrific option. Did someone sneak in and "push in" the whole amount without Michael knowing.. or at Michaels request?? Someone mentioned on another thread that it could have been one of the children as there are inconsistencies about their whereabouts in all of this. Kai chase said they were with her, Murray said Prince was in the room and Alvarez said both Prince and Paris entered the room at one point.
What if Michael awoke and asked one of the children to do it for him and this is actually what Murray is covering for? Makes sense as to why Murrays account is hazy and why he panicked and the children are the only people he could possibley be willing to cover for.
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The other option is that someone else did this... and thats another horrific option. Did someone sneak in and "push in" the whole amount without Michael knowing.. or at Michaels request?? Someone mentioned on another thread that it could have been one of the children as there are inconsistencies about their whereabouts in all of this. Kai chase said they were with her, Murray said Prince was in the room and Alvarez said both Prince and Paris entered the room at one point.
What if Michael awoke and asked one of the children to do it for him and this is actually what Murray is covering for? Makes sense as to why Murrays account is hazy and why he panicked and the children are the only people he could possibley be willing to cover for.
If the children scenario is true, LaToya and the other familymembers are unaware of it, else they would not have uttered their believe that it was murder. Wouldn't the children have confessed by now
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I find it very hard to believe that Michael would ask one of his children to inject him.
In fact I would think just the opposite.
If this scenario would be true and Michael was even thinking about injecting himself, knowing how much he loved his children, I would think just seeing them would make him change his mind. JMO
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Dancing: you are asking very valid questions, but what makes this story not credible and rather totally unbelievable is the argument that Michael woke up frustrated (how will Murray know that, if he was not in the room at that time) and more importantly why do they add the coca-cola story to all of this - it makes this whole grab-push-kill story totally insane.
If any of this were to be true, then IMO coca-cola totally ruined it all...
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I have so many theories and scenarious swimming around my head. Im unable to find the right one to feel comfortable with.
I just want the truth.
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To me the whole reason that TMZ is reporting that Michael's eyes were wide open is because he was awake and ALIVE!!! :D
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All in all...this don't make any da*n sense! :x It never will. And I don't even think TMZ reviews what they put up before they say it's final. You simply cannot awaken from being heavily sedated!! Just to sedate yourself again!????? Right, TMZ...right. :roll:
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ok guys. please look at this bullshit again-
Jackson woke up when Murray was out of the room, became frustrated he couldn't sleep
okay...so he was sleeping. but then he was upset because he couldn't sleep? come onnnnn. this is SUCH A JOKE.
as for this article, there's something behind this, i just can't figure it out.
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Dancing: you are asking very valid questions, but what makes this story not credible and rather totally unbelievable is the argument that Michael woke up frustrated (how will Murray know that, if he was not in the room at that time) and more importantly why do they add the coca-cola story to all of this - it makes this whole grab-push-kill story totally insane.
If any of this were to be true, then IMO coca-cola totally ruined it all...
Thankyou. I have so many questions that this forum helps me say them aloud and talk through them. x
Yes.. the coca cola story was blatant advertising and nothing more.
Also.. the whole "eyes open" thing also brings more discredit to the ambulance photo as MJs eyes were CLOSED in that photo!
Are people deliberately doing this to upset Michael Jackson fans.. because whichever way you look at this, whether you believe MJ is alive or dead.. this is all very upsetting and confusing for everyone. I dont know why the media is doing this and i dont know why the justice system is stringing it out for so long, either.
Its absolutely horrible.. i wish people would either tell the truth or just shut up! :twisted:
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Are we missing the point here?
Look at it. At first all you guys said this was BS.. if thats the case....
could this be a clue?
"the eyes have it"
Look for someone with Michael's eyes?
Dave Dave?
CM?
Blonde?
Hatman?
See where im going? :?
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Are we missing the point here?
Look at it. At first all you guys said this was BS.. if thats the case....
could this be a clue?
"the eyes have it"
Look for someone with Michael's eyes?
Dave Dave?
CM?
Blonde?
Hatman?
See where im going? :?
I got you and my first thought was Dave Dave.
Michael couldn't be CM....because of the different height ( remember Conny is very tall)
Blonde hm...Not sure she/he wore glasses at the memorial
Hatman...yeah maybe but also he had glasses on
So Dave Dave was the only one where we saw the eyes..and they were darkbrown, just like Michaels..
And "Real Dave Daves"eyes are green
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Are we missing the point here?
Look at it. At first all you guys said this was BS.. if thats the case....
could this be a clue?
"the eyes have it"
Look for someone with Michael's eyes?
Dave Dave?
CM?
Blonde?
Hatman?
See where im going? :?
I'm with you. I always keep my hoax glasses on, it's surely a hint and I think that indeed we have to look into michael's eyes. Look at what seeingclues found http://seeingclues.blogspot.com/ (http://seeingclues.blogspot.com/). It says it all. Dave Dave on LKL was really Michael.
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NO no Michael would never ask his kids such a thing!
I don't believe that! And I don't think he would give himself a shot, why did he ask for a doctor then??? About the shot, a shot is you get one dose if you push once am I right? So I think if he pushed once he immediatly would have been out again, so how could he OD himself like that????
If someone else did it when Murray was out of the room then it had to be an insider working for MJ.
And he had to be very quickly since Murray was just in the other room (bathroom) for a few minutes.
Didn't the Police interrogate all the staff working for MJ at the time?
:idea: The eyes have it?? Like Jackson 5 tweeting Our eyes don't lie, media does!
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NO no Michael would never ask his kids such a thing!
I don't believe that! And I don't think he would give himself a shot, why did he ask for a doctor then??? About the shot, a shot is you get one dose if you push once am I right? So I think if he pushed once he immediatly would have been out again, so how could he OD himself like that????
If someone else did it when Murray was out of the room then it had to be an insider working for MJ.
And he had to be very quickly since Murray was just in the other room (bathroom) for a few minutes.
Didn't the Police interrogate all the staff working for MJ at the time?
:idea: The eyes have it?? Like Jackson 5 tweeting Our eyes don't lie, media does!
That's what I'm thinking...The Eyes Have It... Michael's eyes open... maybe the clue is for us to OPEN OUR EYES!
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NO no Michael would never ask his kids such a thing!
I don't believe that! And I don't think he would give himself a shot, why did he ask for a doctor then??? About the shot, a shot is you get one dose if you push once am I right? So I think if he pushed once he immediatly would have been out again, so how could he OD himself like that????
If someone else did it when Murray was out of the room then it had to be an insider working for MJ.
And he had to be very quickly since Murray was just in the other room (bathroom) for a few minutes.
Didn't the Police interrogate all the staff working for MJ at the time?
:idea: The eyes have it?? Like Jackson 5 tweeting Our eyes don't lie, media does!
That's what I'm thinking...The Eyes Have It... Michael's eyes open... maybe the clue is for us to OPEN OUR EYES!
I agree with you!
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"Open Your Eyes"
All this feels strange and untrue
And I won't waste a minute without you
My bones ache, my skin feels cold
And I'm getting so tired and so old
The anger swells in my guts
And I won't feel these slices and cuts
I want so much to open your eyes
'Cause I need you to look into mine
Tell me that you'll open your eyes [x4]
Get up, get out, get away from these liars
'Cause they don't get your soul or your fire
Take my hand, knot your fingers through mine
And we'll walk from this dark room for the last time
Every minute from this minute now
We can do what we like anywhere
I want so much to open your eyes
'Cause I need you to look into mine
Tell me that you'll open your eyes [x8]
All this feels strange and untrue
And I won't waste a minute without you
Snow Patrol
:D
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hmm, and what do you think about this:
sorry, English is not my mother tongue, and I am definitely not an expert in old English but look:
The Eyes Have It: in old English: The "Ayes" have it - meaning those who voted Yes have won the vote.
Old English:
Aye = YES;
Nay = No
or in other words:
To gain a victory in a voice vote: The ayes have it.
Yesterday there was this voting posted on TMZ:
"Jackson killed himself: plausible or BS"
ok, there was no "yes" or "no" answer in the voting but still I would assume that "plausible" may stand for "yes" plus "Jackson killed himself" may also have a double meeting - metaphorical meaning - he made himself "dead" by faking his death.
so, what if:
whoever voted plausible (yes), that MJ killed himself (faking) won (is right)
does it make any sense :?:
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I think we're getting close...first we are told he was dead at scene, flatlined and we saw his eyes shut in ambulance pic and latoya and jermaine said he looked like he was asleep now all these months later we're told what?,,,,his heart started beating again and now we're told his eyes are open....what's coming next ;)
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i agree next will be....BAM!!!!! :D :D
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mjj4ever777
To me the whole reason that TMZ is reporting that Michael's eyes were wide open is because he was awake and ALIVE
Yes, I agree ,.... :lol:
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Guys, I doubt MJ did it...If he woke up like they said and was frustrated, he would have called for Murray! He would have been too groggy to fumble around with a needle and vial, let alone sit up and inject into his leg IV. Heck, all he had to do was look at the time and realize he had to be up and get going. I believe he was in the process of waking to start his day and I believe someone else did it while Murray was out of the room...or....Murray did it. Time will tell but MJ could not have done it.
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It seems that many people are losing faith, please look at the following link, or worry me to use the translator, just look at the pictures. :lol: :lol:
Credit: Michael is alive
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... 3PW8qyCDZw (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=es&sl=pt&u=http://alucinada50.blogspot.com/2010/04/reparem-nas-roupascoincidencia-ou.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmulherpobre.blogspot.com%26hl%3Des%26rlz%3D1W1GGLL_es&rurl=translate.google.co.ve&usg=ALkJrhjbG-8b-XUORwkRAzBq3PW8qyCDZw)
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Are we missing the point here?
Look at it. At first all you guys said this was BS.. if thats the case....
could this be a clue?
"the eyes have it"
Look for someone with Michael's eyes?
Dave Dave?
CM?
Blonde?
Hatman?
See where im going? :?
DD :D Those are DD's eyes! from LKL :) I know it ;)
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hmm, and what do you think about this:
sorry, English is not my mother tongue, and I am definitely not an expert in old English but look:
The Eyes Have It: in old English: The "Ayes" have it - meaning those who voted Yes have won the vote.
Old English:
Aye = YES;
Nay = No
or in other words:
To gain a victory in a voice vote: The ayes have it.
Yesterday there was this voting posted on TMZ:
"Jackson killed himself: plausible or BS"
ok, there was no "yes" or "no" answer in the voting but still I would assume that "plausible" may stand for "yes" plus "Jackson killed himself" may also have a double meeting - metaphorical meaning - he made himself "dead" by faking his death.
so, what if:
whoever voted plausible (yes), that MJ killed himself (faking) won (is right)
does it make any sense :?:
Not to me :?
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I have to agree with DancingtheDream's thoughts on this. And without reiterating the
same items, IF it happens this way, WHY didn't they just come out with it in the beginning
and stop dragging the friends and fans through hell with a little at a time.
I also have thought for some reason that CM is telling some truth.
You know, they only said THAT published ambulance picture was fake. I think
if this is true, that picture was photoshopped as the same reason the fans could
not see Michael. There was MORE to it.
I also wonder if Ian Halperine's sources weren't closer than we thought. You know,
he did write that the autopsy report would be DOCTORED and we would never know
the truth :!: :!: :?:
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Are we missing the point here?
Look at it. At first all you guys said this was BS.. if thats the case....
could this be a clue?
"the eyes have it"
Look for someone with Michael's eyes?
Dave Dave?
CM?
Blonde?
Hatman?
See where im going? :?
the poster of Cris Angel? beLIEve?? :?
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Dancing: you are asking very valid questions, but what makes this story not credible and rather totally unbelievable is the argument that Michael woke up frustrated (how will Murray know that, if he was not in the room at that time) and more importantly why do they add the coca-cola story to all of this - it makes this whole grab-push-kill story totally insane.
If any of this were to be true, then IMO coca-cola totally ruined it all...
Thankyou. I have so many questions that this forum helps me say them aloud and talk through them. x
Yes.. the coca cola story was blatant advertising and nothing more.
Also.. the whole "eyes open" thing also brings more discredit to the ambulance photo as MJs eyes were CLOSED in that photo!
Are people deliberately doing this to upset Michael Jackson fans.. because whichever way you look at this, whether you believe MJ is alive or dead.. this is all very upsetting and confusing for everyone. I dont know why the media is doing this and i dont know why the justice system is stringing it out for so long, either.
Its absolutely horrible.. i wish people would either tell the truth or just shut up! :twisted:
Once again, DancingTheDream, you have covered so much ground with your eagle eye and your great observations. God bless you, Dancing. Thank you so much. My head is swimming this evening after reading this post. I am like you, Dancing, I just want the truth. God bless you again!
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okay i just had an idea...
these past couple of articles with the in-your-face titles make me think of frankenstein. as in, somebody coming back to life. think about it....first you need a heart beat and to be breathing ("Michael Was Alive at UCLA"-reported a "faint" heart beat and good lungs)...whats next? you open your eyes ("The Eyes Have It"). should we expect some body movement next?
just my opinion. i may have gone off the deep end guys.
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If Murray didn't inject the lethal dose,and neither Michael,..what about ALvarez? He was in house,right?
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If Murray didn't inject the lethal dose,and neither Michael,..what about ALvarez? He was in house,right?
Nobody did it, imo. He's alive, this is just the media who wants us to believe, that this was the way he died. The media or Michael.
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:roll: @ TMZ
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The eyes have it.... Egyption meaning
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories ... sandre.htm (http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/eyeofhorusandre.htm)
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I googled the syntagma "The Eyes Have It" and I found a weblog devoted (mainly) to visual communications, with the following quote in the header: " We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are. ~The Talmaud".
Looking further more, I found the title of a book written by Evan Marshall, called "The Eyes Have It: Revealing Their Power, Messages, and Secrets". Reading outside the context, "their" could refer to much more than "eyes"...
I also found a very interesting article on a blog (http://curiousexpeditions.org/?p=211 (http://curiousexpeditions.org/?p=211)), directly related to the Evil Eye and Illuminati. As well, there were a lot of results connecting to Illusion.
Anyway, I truly believe that the titles are chosen with significant reasons and we must see them as hints, to think outside the box and outside the "trial" and medical/legal context.
LOVE,
Andy
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The keyword is:
FINGERPRINTS
it will point out all candidates that may have administered substances to Michael, except if they wore gloves.
However we know there was a box of latex gloves in the room, so whoever wore them may not have left fingerprints. Also let's hope Murray was not that shrude to put Michael's fingerprints on the attributes while he was unconcious.
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The eyes were open, the eyes were closed, and he even collapsed on the floor in front of his son.... :lol:
Murray is innocent because ....it never happened! The truth never changes.....this story constantly does.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/m ... 5742604168 (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/michael-jackson-son-prince-saw-him-collapse-at-home/story-e6freuy9-1225742604168)
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Michael Jackson -- The Eyes Have It
Posted Apr 6th 2010 3:50PM by TMZ Staff
Michael Jackson's eyes could be powerful evidence in favor of Dr. Conrad Murray.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2010/04/0406_michael_eyes.jpg)
TMZ broke the story ... Dr. Murray's lawyers will argue Jackson accidentally killed himself by self-injecting a lethal dose of Propofol into his bloodstream. As we reported, Dr. Murray says he left the bedroom for a short time, came back in and saw Michael with his eyes wide open and pupils dilated.
Medical experts who spoke with TMZ say ... if a patient is sleeping and dies of an overdose, their eyes most likely would not open. The defense position -- Jackson woke up when Murray was out of the room, became frustrated he couldn't sleep, grabbed the Propofol bottle and "pushed it" -- killing himself.
If a jury believes Jackson's eyes were open, they could also believe Jackson was awake and, perhaps, capable of grabbing the Propofol bottle which was on the nightstand.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0kLtE3oZD (http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0kLtE3oZD)
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@Dancing -- the idea of him opening his eyes also worries me.
If the scenario is true - the failed breathing and the open eyes make me wonder - could he have choked on something. If he is supposed to have consumed loads of coco-cola before he went to sleep and then taken an anesthetic - while coming around, don't you think he could have choked on that liquid. We all know that you have to fast for 12 hours before any surgery that requires anesthetic - only because when coming to, the patient feels nauseous and since they are still groggy they may vomit before they fully awake and are likely to choke on their vomit.
This is something I don't know understand about Murray. How untrained was he? Even though I had my emergency response training eight years ago - I still remember that for unconscious people you check the ABCs first. Airway, Breathing and Circulation.
If Michael was not breathing, his first priority was to check if his airway was clear and then either attach an ambu bag or do mouth to mouth. Circulation and heart pumping comes after that and we know that Murray was not familiar with that either.
As a certified emergency response person - my license could be revoked anytime I did not follow standard procedure. I wonder why the medical board is so lenient with CM - it is not just putting people under that he has to stay away from. What about emergency treatment - not being able to do proper CPR or first aid - cant they stop him from practicing on those grounds. He is not fit to deal with any heart patients who might need emergency treatment.
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The keyword is:
FINGERPRINTS
it will point out all candidates that may have administered substances to Michael, except if they wore gloves.
However we know there was a box of latex gloves in the room, so whoever wore them may not have left fingerprints. Also let's hope Murray was not that shrude to put Michael's fingerprints on the attributes while he was uncontious.
Exactly, that's so basic. I barely can believe that they are suggesting in use the 'eyes open' history as proof that he was awaken.
Oh, if Murray or anyone put Michael's prints in that Propofol, that would be just so nasty, but sadly is a valid thought.
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ok guys. please look at this bullshit again-
Jackson woke up when Murray was out of the room, became frustrated he couldn't sleep
BAHAHAHAHAHA!!! good find!! :o :D :D :lol: :lol: that makes absolutely NO sense!!
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Are we missing the point here?
Look at it. At first all you guys said this was BS.. if thats the case....
could this be a clue?
"the eyes have it"
Look for someone with Michael's eyes?
Dave Dave?
CM?
Blonde?
Hatman?
See where im going? :?
the poster of Cris Angel? beLIEve?? :?
Right.. youre with me. Im looking at eyes. I think its a comparison weh ave to do here. They gave us a greta close up of MJs eyes i mean come on! To me theyre identical to Dave Daves. :roll: I hate to bring it back up but I cant see how anyones eyes could be that close of a match.
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:lol: They're being very clever and creative with these scenarios aren't they? It's puzzling to me. Why are they going through all this trouble?
:?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
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Also there is the question of the large amounts of Propofol in MJs system.. this is consistent with the theory that MJ recieved a massive shot of Propofol which killed him instantly. Therefore the body didnt have enough time to circulate it through the body and work it out.
If there is any scenario which is believable it is that Michael was awake when he recieved that fatal shot. Whether Murray gave it to him, someone else did or MJ did.. that was (in my mind) what happened if MJ did die.
Metabolize - is the word you're looking for.
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And as in this case, "Michael is" Awakened ".. :?: That is not" could sleep, :lol: "the eLearning Awards website is injected Then, while Murray is in the bathroom, it is assumed That the advantage goes to the bathroom That Was Michael asleep, all in 2 minutes ,.... prepare the injection, .. and "kill".. Cardiac arrest, open eyes, And What state paramedics found Michael, His Eyes Were open or closed, you said this? :?:
So Murray is Dedicated to hiding the bottles with Alvarez as a witness and this does nothing, ... 8-)
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Michael Jackson -- The Eyes Have It
Posted Apr 6th 2010 3:50PM by TMZ Staff
Michael Jackson's eyes could be powerful evidence in favor of Dr. Conrad Murray.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2010/04/0406_michael_eyes.jpg)
His "eyes were open" and he was capable - that´s what I think too. 8-)
And maybe "the eyes" really have it?... :mrgreen:
(http://mjlive.se/michael/wp-content/uploads/michael-jackson-dangerous-459672.jpg)
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When I first read this "The eyes have it", I instantly thought of the poll on the other article. Ayes vs eyes. So the poll is correct and those that thought they were afraid to say he lives are now astonished that so many do believe! I am thinking that this article has nothing to do with Murray or Michaels eyes. It is saying we are correct and referring back to the poll.
Another thing is the Strong painting that is on Ebay, Michael has blue eyes in the painting, yes I said blue. Is there any other artwork or photos that have Michael with blue eyes?
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=8445&p=139431#p139431 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=8445&p=139431#p139431)
Is this title drawing us to the painting as well?
This web could be so enormously huge but all tied together with smoke and mist. And LOVE of course ;)
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When I first read this "The eyes have it", I instantly thought of the poll on the other article. Ayes vs eyes. So the poll is correct and those that thought they were afraid to say he lives are now astonished that so many do believe! I am thinking that this article has nothing to do with Murray or Michaels eyes. It is saying we are correct and referring back to the poll.
Another thing is the Strong painting that is on Ebay, Michael has blue eyes in the painting, yes I said blue. Is there any other artwork or photos that have Michael with blue eyes?
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=8445&p=139431#p139431 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=8445&p=139431#p139431)
Is this title drawing us to the painting as well?
This web could be so enormously huge but all tied together with smoke and mist. And LOVE of course ;)
Yes.. ive noticed Michaels eyes are blue in that painting too. Ive never seen a painting with Mikes eyes blue before and i guess that is pretty strange considering this was a portrait of him.
The only other time ive seen Mike with blue eyes is this picture i have.. but i dont know where its from. Isnt it strange how eye colour can change the face? It makes him look completely different.
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real eyes realize real lies
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my[KING]"]real eyes realize real lies
nice find ;)
when i look in his eyes i see blanket so amazing how much they are alike :)
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Have you ever heared about Sanpaku eyes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanpaku (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanpaku)
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Interesting link Glinda, I hadn't heard of that before. I too think there's so much BS going on over what happened on June 25th 2009 that it's impossible to say whether Michael and the kids were even at the residence in question. We only have the word of Murray and MJ's staff. (Possibly all in on the hoax). I'm still baffled as to why right after his "death" the reports were that his brother Randy was in the house and the drug Demerol was cited, and that the family were adamant he'd been injected with it 30 minutes before he stopped breathing. Surely if Randy was there and Michael was not breathing he'd have been in the room? That was the first thing that piqued my curiosity. Then the Demerol being erased from the story and replaced with Propofol - had too many people connected the song Morphine to the story already, maybe ahead of MJ's schedule? Had he decided that clue was too obvious? Those were the questions I started asking myself in the first instance, and we've come such a long way from there. Murray's defence team seems to be coming up with one far-fetched theory after another, it seems unbelievable and part of some script till you read the transcript of the 2005 trial, there was so much reality-stretching going on by the prosecutors that I'm amazed they weren't all struck off in disgrace.
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http://www.thefountainhead.co.za/articl ... kueyes.asp (http://www.thefountainhead.co.za/articles/sanpakueyes.asp)
For some more information.
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''When I'm down real sanpaku
And I don't know what to do''
[youtube:f5ukrv48]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqyQ9fZHulg[/youtube:f5ukrv48]
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