Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Theories => Michael's Reasons to hoax his death => Topic started by: itsmagic on December 05, 2009, 11:39:54 PM
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I'm a near-constant lurker, infrequent poster. Infrequent because a.) I'm just not a people person, and b.) I really can't get down with a lot of the prevalent beliefs, in the "hoax community." I feel positive Michael is alive. I've seen some fascinating things, here (and by "here," I mean both the old and new forums, and MJHD) and, occasionally, some genuinely impressive detective work. But most of what I've read/seen, I haven't been able to agree with/be convinced by/see any meaning in. Clues, theories, that sort of thing.
Anyway, point being - this is why I don't really post here. Or at the old "here." Some of you have probably seen more of me, on Twitter, where I post as "tiffofdoom." My Twitter posts have occasionally found their way into speculation over MHA, on the old MJKIT, which is why I tend to reject follow requests and keep to myself, on Twitter, as well.
But I've been hanging around the fringes of the hoax community, in one form or another, since July. Sorry to be such a lurker; I'm kind of a weirdo, like that.
The big question I've seen here, over and over, is why. And I agree with some of you, that no reason has ever seemed *good* enough. He does not seem to have "hidden" himself very well. Too many little nods & winks at the fans (like the end of TII); too many glaring problems with the story the media was fed. If he hoaxed his death, I think it has to be assumed that he did want those who knew him well, and who would look most closely, to have reason to believe he was not dead.
I don't really think Michael was in any more serious danger than he ever was - and IF he was, he would be in more danger, when/if he came back. Not just from his enemies, but from angry, unhinged fanatics who might try to make his hoax come true.
I don't think the DEA theory makes enough sense, either. Maybe they would work with Michael Jackson; he's the most famous man in the world, even if he's often portrayed as ridiculous. But they would also do a better job of making this look real.
One answer made the most sense to me, logically: he did it for the money. While I don't think he was as bad off as the media portrayed, he was obviously not the moneymaker he had been. His legacy had suffered, too, being mostly destroyed, by time of his "death." Michael's a genius. He knew what his death would bring, financially. He also could have bet on what his death would do, for his name. That's the big one, for me. The money that's rolled in, is amazing. But from the beginning, I was sitting back, teary-eyed, thinking "This is going to do the impossible, and restore his name."
But Michael "woudln't" do that, right? I don't agree. I think, if he really needed to, he would. Michael is Love, sure, but he's shown, time and again, that he knows how to be cutthroat. If he REALLY needed the money, he'd do it.
One other answer made the most sense, going by Michael's heart: that he did it, to save the world. But how the #@^% does THAT work? Where's the PROOF he's gonna show everyone? He'd be torn apart, before he could even open his mouth, if he faked his death just to get the world's attention, then deliver some "It's all for L.O.V.E!" message.
If he somehow died to save the world, he'd have to walk into a press conference with something TANGIBLE and IMMEDIATE. And, while I saw the message of "TII," I didn't see anything he could really deliver on.
I did post at MJKIT, right after seeing TII, though. I don't think it got much notice. I asked about the Heal The World Foundation, because it raised my eyebrows that HTWF had seemingly "come alive" again, in the months/year before Michael died, and then he ends TII with what looks like the Heal The World Foundation logo.
He wanted to change the world. His charity was back. And then, when I checked out the website, in the section in which they talk about their founder, they said Michael would return to lead them in the future. A mistake, not corrected after his death, perhaps? But creepy, considering that Michael had given no public sign he was returning to HTWF, even before he died.
Sorry for the long prelude. I'm pathologically verbose, heh. But I also think I may have found the answer to everything. I went back to HTWF, tonight, to see what they were up to, as I was planning on donating, in the next couple weeks.
Has anyone checked out their website, lately? Because I don't think any of this was there, when I last visited:
http://www.healtheworld.us/members/htwf ... nitiatives (http://www.healtheworld.us/members/htwf/adminpages/initiatives)
ItI don't know how to even summarize all this, here; it's too much. Just go, and click on EVERYTHING.
I was shocked. Amused. Then, as I kept reading, I started crying, and haven't really stopped, since. No worries, though - this is GOOD crying.
I'm sure many of you will catch how much of the initiatives sounds like Michael's own words. They do mention his death, at one point - then turn around and say what they *think* he would want to tell his fans. Later, in other descriptions of various projects, they seem to completely drop the "dead" talk, and mention his planned world tours, giving educational speeches, and heavy, ongoing involvement in this plan to save humanity.
There are annual telethons planned. Movies. Music. TV stations. Radio stations. A FREAKING NEWSPAPER. It's insanely grandiose, it's an impossible dream, it's like listening to Jesus explain how He's gonna take over the world, with hugs.
In other words....it sounds exactly like Michael Jackson. And this plan is gonna require more capital than HTWF has ever pulled in.
Either the folks at Heal The World have lost their damn minds...or Michael DID do it for the money. And the attention. And the redemption of his name.
So he could save the world.
And, as one more little drop of Weirdness, on all this - those of you who have begun following MJAwakening, on Twitter, will doubtlessly recognize how neatly the missions he(?) proposes fit with the new goals of HTWF.
To everyone:
I don't care if you still believe Michael is alive, or not. I don't care what your preferred theory of doubles or Dave-Dave or the NWO is. You can all get behind this, because this was/is Michael's life-long dream.
Support the Heal The World Foundation. Join them. Donate. And spread the word. Take it to other message boards - forums and fan groups that don't believe the hoax. Tell everyone. If you love Michael, take up his dream. Because This really IS It.[/b]
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Thank you for your long post. It was worth reading your intelligent thoughts/ideas on the whole matter. I'm looking forward to reading more of your posts ;) ;)
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wow! ;)
i post a topic today to make a tribute to mike helping heal the world maybe planting a tree... it´s on this section too... maybe all can do something to help our planet to breath!!! make that change! BIG thank you!
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I'm not sure I believe your theory, but I'm not going to completely discount it either. Fact is, none of us knows the real reason why he may have faked his death (I always maintain my 1% dose of healthy skepticism). So it could be anything really.
What I do think with regard to your theory is that, if it's true, the money is totally intended for his humanitarian efforts. Because I would never think for one second he would do this for personal gain. He spoke of "4 years" to get it right, so he may indeed have a grand plan for the planet, for children, and for anyone else in need.
Did he hoax his death to Heal (Save) the World? I'd say that's not out of the realm of possibility.
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Yes, i've noticed MJAwakening's "missions".
And they do tie in with the HTW Foundations initiatives.
And it's true. Michael is worth more dead than alive nowadays. The money he's making right now is probably incredible. His record sales are up. Downloading of his songs are up. Radio play (I hear like every 10 minutes in the car).
And wasn't there an article saying his debts have been paid off? So I guess after he handles the money trouble he was in, he can focus on the Foundation and there plans.
Very good post. I enjoyed reading it (:
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Thanks for your extensive post, itsmagic, but I'm extremely suspicious of the Heal the World Foundation due to numerous accusations from believable sources that it isn't what it claims to be, first and foremost a charitable organization legitimately related to Michael Jackson.
Long story short, Michael Jackson's estate recently filed a lawsuit against the organization that alleges it's illegally using Michael's name and likeness without permission. That's a huge no-no.
So, despite how good that website looks with its many projects listed, there's an excellent chance it's collecting donations under false pretenses and taking advantage of Michael's unsuspecting fans.
Read more about the situation at CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/11/cbsnews_investigates/main5234202.shtml), TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/29/michael-jackson-heal-the-world-foundation-lawsuit-probate/), MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33080890/ns/entertainment-music/from/ET), ABC (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=8706709), and TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/04/michael-jackson-charity-lawsuit-heal-the-world/) again.
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Thanks for your extensive post, itsmagic, but I'm extremely suspicious of the Heal the World Foundation due to numerous accusations from believable sources that it isn't what it claims to be, first and foremost a charitable organization legitimately related to Michael Jackson.
Long story short, Michael Jackson's estate recently filed a lawsuit against the organization that alleges it's illegally using Michael's name and likeness without permission. That's a huge no-no.
So, despite how good that website looks with its many projects listed, there's an excellent chance it's collecting donations under false pretenses and taking advantage of Michael's unsuspecting fans.
Read more about the situation at CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/11/cbsnews_investigates/main5234202.shtml), TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/29/michael-jackson-heal-the-world-foundation-lawsuit-probate/), MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33080890/ns/entertainment-music/from/ET), ABC (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=8706709), and TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/04/michael-jackson-charity-lawsuit-heal-the-world/) again.
No way...
I didn't hear about the foundation getting sued ;o
Thanks for the links, though.
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No way...
I didn't hear about the foundation getting sued ;o
Thanks for the links, though.
Oh, yeah, zyla, I kid you not. It's been talked about quite a bit at various Michael Jackson forums. That's why I made sure to include more links from bona fide news organizations and not just stupid TMZ.
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Thank you for your post and intelligent ideas. I'm a lurker, too, never daring to expose my own theories because i was never sure they could bring something new and interesting here, in the tons of theories, ideas, opinions aso.You spoke more of my own words and it was a real pleasure to read something new since , last days there was a little too much apathy around here.
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Either the folks at Heal The World have lost their damn minds...or Michael DID do it for the money. And the attention. And the redemption of his name.
So he could save the world.
I'm speechless.
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Thanks for your extensive post, itsmagic, but I'm extremely suspicious of the Heal the World Foundation due to numerous accusations from believable sources that it isn't what it claims to be, first and foremost a charitable organization legitimately related to Michael Jackson.
Long story short, Michael Jackson's estate recently filed a lawsuit against the organization that alleges it's illegally using Michael's name and likeness without permission. That's a huge no-no.
So, despite how good that website looks with its many projects listed, there's an excellent chance it's collecting donations under false pretenses and taking advantage of Michael's unsuspecting fans.
Read more about the situation at CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/11/cbsnews_investigates/main5234202.shtml), TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/29/michael-jackson-heal-the-world-foundation-lawsuit-probate/), MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33080890/ns/entertainment-music/from/ET), ABC (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=8706709), and TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/04/michael-jackson-charity-lawsuit-heal-the-world/) again.
Yes, I too saw the story about the estate suing Heal The World. At the time, I thought it sounded like the most ridiculous thing I'd ever heard. Never saw any evidence that HTWF was taking advantage, or behaving in an inappropriate manner, though - just that strange claim that the family was suing them, then nothing else. And good God, what a SCANDALOUS lawsuit...so why aren't updates all over the news?
Kind of like so many of the other stories that have come out of MJ's death, isn't it?
Why nothing else? I've actually wondered that, almost from the beginning. Why haven't we heard anything about the charity Michael was so known for? If HTWF is now a bunch of evil folks out to take advantage of Michael's death....then why haven't they? Why hasn't HTWF been all over the place, making money on MJ? Seems like everyone else is, including his family. HTWF is obviously are not backing down from their claim that Michael supported them, and they still use his name all over the site. But they've been almost totally invisible, during these last several months of 24/7 MJ news.
If they're bad, then why aren't they seizing the moment and seriously capitalizing on that old MJ connection? There's MONEY to be made, here, and again...they are obviously not afraid of legal action, and maintain their innocence, on their website. Are they just STUPID, and without the brains to figure out how to use MJ for their own gain?
And if they're good....why so quiet? Where are the grand plans to capitalize on the emotional outpouring since his death, and raise money to continue his legacy? They have these plans, on their website, but I haven't heard a whit of this, in the news. I registered, on their website, ages ago, and never receive anything from them. No pleas for money, no spammy emails. Only way to find out about this world-changing vision, seems to be by stumbling upon their website, which likely only MJ fans would really go look for, and actually seeking out the information.
For that matter, why refer to him as dead, then keep up information on plans which require his LIVING support/leadership?
What, exactly, is the Heal the World Foundation waiting on?
Edit: Oh, yeah. I should also point out the most obvious inconsistancy, in the estate suing Heal the World: The estate approved This Is It. And TII ended with the Heal the World logo. Why would the Jacksons approve such an obvious nod to the organization they're suing?
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I've read that the reason this HTWF was sued is because they are not the fundation Michael sustained over the years. That this is a new foundation that was newly founded and that they have nothing to do with MJ and that they are using his name to rase more money. I also herd that the ohter HTWF has been closed or something.
I don't know what is true anymore! I find it hard to believe it was closed, that Michael did not do anything to prevent that....on the other hand he's had his financial problems on his own or at least this is what they are saying. I find this hard to believe too. I know how easily mony fly away but he is smarted than that!
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The Jacksons/estate would not sue a foundation that Michael was supporting..if he is alive.
If he is alive, they would most certainly know him to be alive.
Sorry, but I am also very suspicious of this foundation with good reason.
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Was this the logo at the end of TTI?
[attachment=0:sl71y020]HTWLogo.jpg[/attachment:sl71y020]
Or was it another? I can't remember.
That CBS article raises some red flags to me.
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Hi, thank you for your post. I think what you say has been on my mind too. I try and solve the theories and categorise which is most likely possible to happen and my theory for the week (or has been on my mind for a week) is that Michael did this to clear his debts. Now some of you may think ''michael would never do that just for the sake of money'', but how do you know? We dont know him, we dont know him as the business man or the man in dept. He may even DONATE all the leftover money he earned to charity!
I think he might have hoaxed his death in the name of peace and love so people would understand what his message was. I think he did this out of love, as a last resort because no one was listening anymore.
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I'm a near-constant lurker, infrequent poster. Infrequent because a.) I'm just not a people person, and b.) I really can't get down with a lot of the prevalent beliefs, in the "hoax community." I feel positive Michael is alive. I've seen some fascinating things, here (and by "here," I mean both the old and new forums, and MJHD) and, occasionally, some genuinely impressive detective work. But most of what I've read/seen, I haven't been able to agree with/be convinced by/see any meaning in. Clues, theories, that sort of thing.
Anyway, point being - this is why I don't really post here. Or at the old "here." Some of you have probably seen more of me, on Twitter, where I post as "tiffofdoom." My Twitter posts have occasionally found their way into speculation over MHA, on the old MJKIT, which is why I tend to reject follow requests and keep to myself, on Twitter, as well.
But I've been hanging around the fringes of the hoax community, in one form or another, since July. Sorry to be such a lurker; I'm kind of a weirdo, like that.
The big question I've seen here, over and over, is why. And I agree with some of you, that no reason has ever seemed *good* enough. He does not seem to have "hidden" himself very well. Too many little nods & winks at the fans (like the end of TII); too many glaring problems with the story the media was fed. If he hoaxed his death, I think it has to be assumed that he did want those who knew him well, and who would look most closely, to have reason to believe he was not dead.
I don't really think Michael was in any more serious danger than he ever was - and IF he was, he would be in more danger, when/if he came back. Not just from his enemies, but from angry, unhinged fanatics who might try to make his hoax come true.
I don't think the DEA theory makes enough sense, either. Maybe they would work with Michael Jackson; he's the most famous man in the world, even if he's often portrayed as ridiculous. But they would also do a better job of making this look real.
One answer made the most sense to me, logically: he did it for the money. While I don't think he was as bad off as the media portrayed, he was obviously not the moneymaker he had been. His legacy had suffered, too, being mostly destroyed, by time of his "death." Michael's a genius. He knew what his death would bring, financially. He also could have bet on what his death would do, for his name. That's the big one, for me. The money that's rolled in, is amazing. But from the beginning, I was sitting back, teary-eyed, thinking "This is going to do the impossible, and restore his name."
But Michael "woudln't" do that, right? I don't agree. I think, if he really needed to, he would. Michael is Love, sure, but he's shown, time and again, that he knows how to be cutthroat. If he REALLY needed the money, he'd do it.
One other answer made the most sense, going by Michael's heart: that he did it, to save the world. But how the #@^% does THAT work? Where's the PROOF he's gonna show everyone? He'd be torn apart, before he could even open his mouth, if he faked his death just to get the world's attention, then deliver some "It's all for L.O.V.E!" message.
If he somehow died to save the world, he'd have to walk into a press conference with something TANGIBLE and IMMEDIATE. And, while I saw the message of "TII," I didn't see anything he could really deliver on.
I did post at MJKIT, right after seeing TII, though. I don't think it got much notice. I asked about the Heal The World Foundation, because it raised my eyebrows that HTWF had seemingly "come alive" again, in the months/year before Michael died, and then he ends TII with what looks like the Heal The World Foundation logo.
He wanted to change the world. His charity was back. And then, when I checked out the website, in the section in which they talk about their founder, they said Michael would return to lead them in the future. A mistake, not corrected after his death, perhaps? But creepy, considering that Michael had given no public sign he was returning to HTWF, even before he died.
Sorry for the long prelude. I'm pathologically verbose, heh. But I also think I may have found the answer to everything. I went back to HTWF, tonight, to see what they were up to, as I was planning on donating, in the next couple weeks.
Has anyone checked out their website, lately? Because I don't think any of this was there, when I last visited:
http://www.healtheworld.us/members/htwf ... nitiatives (http://www.healtheworld.us/members/htwf/adminpages/initiatives)
ItI don't know how to even summarize all this, here; it's too much. Just go, and click on EVERYTHING.
I was shocked. Amused. Then, as I kept reading, I started crying, and haven't really stopped, since. No worries, though - this is GOOD crying.
I'm sure many of you will catch how much of the initiatives sounds like Michael's own words. They do mention his death, at one point - then turn around and say what they *think* he would want to tell his fans. Later, in other descriptions of various projects, they seem to completely drop the "dead" talk, and mention his planned world tours, giving educational speeches, and heavy, ongoing involvement in this plan to save humanity.
There are annual telethons planned. Movies. Music. TV stations. Radio stations. A FREAKING NEWSPAPER. It's insanely grandiose, it's an impossible dream, it's like listening to Jesus explain how He's gonna take over the world, with hugs.
In other words....it sounds exactly like Michael Jackson. And this plan is gonna require more capital than HTWF has ever pulled in.
Either the folks at Heal The World have lost their damn minds...or Michael DID do it for the money. And the attention. And the redemption of his name.
So he could save the world.
And, as one more little drop of Weirdness, on all this - those of you who have begun following MJAwakening, on Twitter, will doubtlessly recognize how neatly the missions he(?) proposes fit with the new goals of HTWF.
To everyone:
I don't care if you still believe Michael is alive, or not. I don't care what your preferred theory of doubles or Dave-Dave or the NWO is. You can all get behind this, because this was/is Michael's life-long dream.
Support the Heal The World Foundation. Join them. Donate. And spread the word. Take it to other message boards - forums and fan groups that don't believe the hoax. Tell everyone. If you love Michael, take up his dream. Because This really IS It.[/b]
I don't think Michael did all of this for money .. he won't hurt his fans that have loved him so muchh , love him like their family just because the money's reason ..
But I agree for the save the world' theory .. :) :)
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Well, don't hit me, but I think (if the hoax is true), that he did it for #1money, #2HTWF, #3family, #4reputation, etcetc too.
Because, let's not forget that a percentage of all sales for TII were going to charities.. So that solves #1, #2 and #3.. Sure, Michael gets money out of it, but think about who's really going to be getting that money. His kids, and the charities. Two things that matter most to him. Everything he's done has been done FOR THE FUTURE. And the end justifies the means. ;)
And, #4 reputation: if you ever taken the time to go back in time and read what people wrote about Michael only 1 year ago then you'll know that next to NO ONE was taking him seriously. :( People complain about haters saying bad things about him now, well HELLO??? rewind the clock. What people say now isn't nearly as bad as what they used to say. So, Yes I think he did this for all of the above, and in doing so he also cleared his debts - a perk that comes with it.
As for coming back.. Sometimes I get the feeling that wasn't part of the original plan anyway. But maybe, he wanted to see how we all reacted first, and has come up with an idea since..
So, thank you for posting. :)
Ok, next.. I see some are suspicious of the HTWF site. I'm not sure I believe it's legit either. So let's have a look then...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heal_the_W ... _confusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heal_the_World_Foundation#Name_confusion)
I checked out google cache and got to see what some pages looked like a week ago. They've been changing stuff. I saw how they talk about Michael as deceased one second, then not in the next sentence. :? With the amount of editing they are doing over there at the moment I'd have thought that's something they wouldn't have overlooked. So it must be left there intentionally. And where are all their different photos coming from?! :?: If y'all haven't looked yet, but are sitting here replying 'how you think this' and 'how you think that' then you should really go do what itsmagic suggested to do first and go click-crazy over on HTWF - not to be fooled by them if it is fake, but just to be aware of the situation. Suss it out. ;)
I also checked out their twitter page. It started June 30th this year. :? coincidence? of course not.
http://twitter.com/healtheworldfdn (http://twitter.com/healtheworldfdn)
and, whois
http://whois.domaintools.com/healtheworld.us (http://whois.domaintools.com/healtheworld.us)
Created: 2005-07-19
Expires: 2010-07-18
There's a record for 11th May 2003 though.. :?: :?:
"Whois History: 36 records have been archived since 2003-05-11 . "
I had to be sure that was 11th May. and not 5th November.
I'd actually like to know if there's been some completely unrelated name changes.
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Thanks for the post. It's been a few months since I checked on HTWF. What a surprise...What an undertaking! It sounds like a well thoughtout plan to heal the world, but not an easy one.
Here is something interesting in reference to planned music releases.
"It is funny I don't know too much about the music business or this initiative, but I think Mr. Jackson will know what to do with it." Melissa Johnson
We all talk about Michael not hoaxing his death for trivial reasons, because he wouldn't do that to his fans. I'm not sure I agree with that. If healing the world is his mission, and there is a sense of urgency (2012), why not? It seems to me that there is no better reason than healing the world, and if he gets the much desired and deserved privacy and rest as an added bonus, why wouldn't he do it? He is only human , after all. I remember Kenny Ortega saying something about fans listening to his music and not really hearing his messages. I also remember him mentioning Michael's army in TII.
20% of the estate goes to charities. We don't know which charities, but since Heal the Kids and Heal the World are the ones he mostly talked about, some of the money is probably going toward them, which would give them something to start this iniative.
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Either the folks at Heal The World have lost their damn minds...or Michael DID do it for the money. And the attention. And the redemption of his name.
So he could save the world.
I'm speechless.
so am i and that dont happen often :lol:
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No one of us are entitled to say what Michael would and would not do, we can speculate yes but not claim it as fact. Idk if he would do this for the money perhaps, perhaps not.
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I only have a few minutes, here, and I sometimes suck at organizing my thoughts. You have been warned, lol. But here's some of what I know, about HTWF, just going from memory, and with no links, since I'm posting this from the Wii, and can't copy links/open more windows. Go dig for yourself, if you want follow-up on anything.
Heal the World died, and yes, Michael let it die. I for one don't blame him - the world nearly killed him, a couple times, over the last couple decades. His dream barely even got off the ground, before his life became a morass of drug addicition, molestation charges, and "Wacko Jacko." He started a dream, then could not continue both that dream, and the fight to save himself. So, by 2001(?) or so, HTWF was, essentially dead.
The core of HTWF kept going, kept working, but without much impact or publicity, b/c they did not have the funding, or the leadership of Michael. More than once, he wanted to revive his charity, but did not do so, for many reasons - many of Michael's dreams were ended or delayed, by the hell that his life became. And personally, I think it's naive and insulting, to believe that "Michael would never abandon (this or that)." Of course he would. He's human, and he does have a breaking point. You can look back, and see how much his charity work was hurt/reduced, by his ever-growing public image problems.
If you use the Wayback Machine (Google it) to view the CURRENT HTWF site, you will see that they tried to relaunch it, in 2003 or 2004, then it vanishes, again. HTWF, as it is, today, was officially reborn in 2008, when Melissa Johnson (who claims to have been involved from the beginning) began filing the paperwork needed to reform as a charity. According to the IRS paperwork, she funded this with a personal loan, from her own pocket. Their operating budget was less than $2000. I assume the website popped up, sometime in late 2008, as well. In May of 2009, she opened their YouTube channel. Obviously, she and her little group (of about 15, according to the IRS records) were trying to bring HTWF back to life, before Michael's death, so one can assume their efforts were not just a ploy to take advantage of his passing.
Did they have Michael's approval then? Again, one would assume so, but I don't know. He certainly didn't sue her, when she launched a website, YouTube channel, and used his name and face all over her site. And we do know that Michael had supposedly had some kind or "reawakening" of his own, when he realized/decided that "This Is It" could be used to "heal the world."
Coincidence? Maybe, but it seems doubtful, doesn't it?
Melissa Johnson has a long statement/Q&A posted on the HTWF site, in which she grieves for Michael, and expresses fear and confusion over the foundation's future. If we assume that is real, and HTWF thinks of Michael as dead, one would have to wonder: "Why did they leave up all the references to Michael's future work with them? Why the statement that he would return and lead them into the future?"
I don't have answers for this stuff, either. I don't know why the Jacksons would sue HTWF, or even IF we can believe that story. But we've all been looking for that ONE reason which would offer a concrete explanation for WHY Michael would do such a dramatic, risky, hurtful thing. And this, to me, is the best I've seen. Of all the coincidences, the fact that both Michael and his charity seemed to be coming back from obscurity, just before his death, is possibly the most haunting. It gives him not only a reason, but something solid he could offer the public, and the media: "Look, HERE is the plan. HERE is something big enough to justify what I had to do."
Before his "death," Michael Jackson had destroyed his own message. It wasn't his fault, for the most part; he was attacked and villified so much that the image, the "Wacko Jacko" thing had overshadowed any good he could ever do. Imagine, if you will, that he tried to restart his foundation, earlier this year. Would people have listened? Cared? Or just laughed?
How many of YOU were thinking about Michael Jackson, on June 24th? I'm not being critical, here, just trying to make a point. How many of you kind of forgot how much you loved him, until that terrible moment of hearing he was gone?
Michael Jackson, as an image, as a brand, as a spokesperson, had long become a joke. For all his fame and good works, Michael Jackson was no longer in a position to change the world. And I cannot imagine anything he could have ever done, to turn back that tide, and redeem his name - regain his standing, as a leader. Make people stop giggling at him and start HEARING THE MESSAGE, again.
Except die. I often thought that, that the world would never really SEE Michael Jackson for what he was, again, until he was gone. And I really think he knew that, and finally chose to use it.
Like I said, in my first post: The one thing that bothered me, about the theory of "MJ died to save the world," was HOW? How the hell is Michael Jackson gonna pop up and save the world?
This is how, I think. I still don't know his plan, but looking at the plans on the Heal the World site, I started to be able to imagine how it really could happen.
So, like I said: check it out. Spread the word. If you're afraid to donate your money, then donate your time, until you see convincing results. HTWF is an actual charity; some of that paperwork is available, on the site. And I have seen not a shred of evidence that they are "using" Michael's name, in any negative fashion. Matter of fact, if you read through their "initiatives" - all of them - they read as if they were written by Michael, himself (and likely, they were). I personally have no doubt that they are doing Michael's work, so it should not matter if he is here, gone, alive, dead - this is either what he wants, or what he WOULD have wanted.
It is, quite simply, a dream that deserves belief. I would follow it, with or without Michael. I encourage you all to look into doing the same.
Edit: Oh, and for whomever asked - at the end of TII, the image that appeared was essentially the same as the HTWF logo. The "Earth Girl" held/hugged the world, and then tossed it into the air (I think?), at which point "Heal the World" appeared above it, in a curve, like the HTWF logo. It did not say "Foundation," and so was not perfectly identical. But anyone who saw it would instantly think of Michael's old charity, and many people likely looked up HTWF, because of that image. The Jacksons are not stupid. They would realize that this was going to send fans scurrying over to HTWF, and make it appar as if HTWF had Michael's support, so if they were really suing the foundation, why would they EVER have approved that? Why would their LAWYERS have approved that?
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No one of us are entitled to say what Michael would and would not do, we can speculate yes but not claim it as fact. Idk if he would do this for the money perhaps, perhaps not.
Of course. I can't see anyone saying "I KNOW MICHAEL...". I'm pretty sure everyone in this thread so far have only expressed their opinions. "I think Michael..." seems to be in EVERY post. :)
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I think there are several different Heal the World Foundations. The one associated with MJ stopped in 2004 but the website the originator of this thread gave looks like the old Heal the World site.
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@ itsmagic That's how I see it too. Janet Jackson - "Don't know what you got til it's gone" And I have no idea how he'd come back, but it's going to have to be End of The World related for people to take him seriously. I think..
I forgot about the wayback machine. Wasn't it around 2003 at his 45th birthday celebration that Michael said he was going to make a website to bring all his fans together?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56DtxWKzQr0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56DtxWKzQr0)
The website he mentioned is http://mjjsource.com/ (http://mjjsource.com/) which shows as under construction. Wayback shows a pretty page though.
I think there's some clues in that video. It seems relevant to this year.
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Isn't there a way to look up the lawsuit online?
I believe(d) them, too, but just wondered, why they don't proof their connection to Michael, although they clam to have loads of proof.
A pic of Melissa (the president) with Michael i.e. - would give many doubters a positive feeling.
The Jackson Estate suing them isn't a proof for me, that HTWF is not connected to Michael.
When I read this, I thought, the organisation is simply a place where no money can be made - and they don't like that.
HTWF was actually among the first things I looked up on the internet after June 25th. I totally believed them, just wondered, why the logo and the whole website design was so old fashioned. And then the same style appeared in TII, which didn'T fit into the style of the whole movie! It looked like an advertise to me... And probably it was.
Does the Estate sue them to get them full attention, after the court decides, that they actually ARE connected to Michael?
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@ itsmagic That's how I see it too. Janet Jackson - "Don't know what you got til it's gone" And I have no idea how he'd come back, but it's going to have to be End of The World related for people to take him seriously. I think..
I forgot about the wayback machine. Wasn't it around 2003 at his 45th birthday celebration that Michael said he was going to make a website to bring all his fans together?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56DtxWKzQr0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56DtxWKzQr0)
The website he mentioned is http://mjjsource.com/ (http://mjjsource.com/) which shows as under construction. Wayback shows a pretty page though.
I think there's some clues in that video. It seems relevant to this year.
Domain Name: MJJSOURCE.COM
Created on: 10-Feb-04
Expires on: 10-Feb-10
Last Updated on: 30-Dec-08
Administrative Contact:
Jackson, Steven (+Taunya Zilkie's email adress / Randy's(?) Ex)
Tru Def
502 Washington Blvd.
Unit 152
Marina Del Rey, California 90292
United States
3108010320 Fax --
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Okay, that's odd. I replied again, to this thread, and it did post, but now it's gone. I'm pretty anal about comments, replies, etc, lol - I'll check and recheck, to make sure things post right. I even clicked on "view your message," or whatnot, and was brought back to this page, to see my comment right there, as it should be.
And now it's nowhere. Weirdness. Does this ever happen to anyone else?
The reply I posted was about the "different" HTWFs. The explanation given (on the website) was that Michael gave Rabbi Shmuley Boteach the responsibility for HTWF, and he let many of the domain names expire, which made HTWF vulnerable to fraud, copycat sites, etc. The few remaining members banded together and rescued as many domain names as they could, paying from their own pockets, so that the HTWF name could be preserved, for the future.
This makes sense, to me, as I recall Rabbi Boteach was accused of stealing money given to Michael's "Heal the Kids" effort (a part of HTWF), and the scandal further tarnished Michael's name, as well - especially since the media seems to have focused more of the blame on Michael, than Shmuley.
This, to me, sounds like an excellent reason why Boteach would have made Michael's "list of enemies." The Rabbi's version, if I recall correctly, was that Michael just "wasn't involved," or "wasn't doing anything" with his charity, then Michael mysteriously stopped speaking to him. The Rabbi's version does not account for what happened to the hundreds of thousands of dollars they raised, together.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115965,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115965,00.html)
Here's an article on the fall of the Heal the World Foundation. You will note that the former president of HTWF claims Jackson stopped working with HTWF because it overexposed him, and its efforts were "too pedestrian."
And who provided that rather derogatory insight into Michael's motivations for abandoning his charity?
Why, it was our dear Rabbi Boteach, once again. Who seems to have been the one in charge of HTWF, when it all fell apart...just as the current president has claimed.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4601265/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4601265/)
Meanwhile, the "old" HTWF address, http://www.healtheworldfoundation.org (http://www.healtheworldfoundation.org), now redirects to the same site as the newer http://www.healtheworld.us (http://www.healtheworld.us).
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Well...and I am not trying to be rude...but I would encourage people to proceed with
caution until you are absolutely SURE..if you are planning on supporting any charity.
EVERYone is trying to ca$h in on MJ right now.. :roll:
In every community in which we live, there are people or animals in need that could use our
support. By giving within our communities, we are also helping to Heal the World. :)
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This, to me, sounds like an excellent reason why Boteach would have made Michael's "list of enemies."
Yup, I think that may have been the reason.
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Well...and I am not trying to be rude...but I would encourage people to proceed with
caution until you are absolutely SURE..if you are planning on supporting any charity.
EVERYone is trying to ca$h in on MJ right now.. :roll:
I agree. In general, I'm rather skeptical. But I do believe in this charity, and am intrigued by the fact that they don't seem to be cashing in, on MJ, in any perceivable fashion.
More importantly, though - they accept more than money. They also consider good deeds and volunteer time offered as "donations." In which case there would seem to be no risk, in getting involved, in some non-monetary fashion, while feeling out whether the organization is legit.
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Wow with all these ideas they would be a huge empire. I mean the media (news and print would be changed) this is a way to change the way people think. I dunno what to think about them. I mean they have Mike's name every where. Maybe someone should ca,, Branca's office and ask what the deal is with HTWF. We can ask if we should support it or that MJ was not involved with them. I think they should answer this for us.
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Yes lets talk to Mr. Branca and find out!! Anybody have the number call... and then report your findings of what was discussed. I am sure Mr. Branca will be happy to oblige!! Coool I will support HTWF only by making sure it is legit and there is nothing fishy going on with it. :)
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Thanks for posting your theory. And this HTWF website is very interesting. Some of these initiatives sound like the goals he had in mind earlier. He mentioned them during his 45th Birthday celebration.
[youtube:3n0hy3t9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLLXTuQrB6w[/youtube:3n0hy3t9]
[youtube:3n0hy3t9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56DtxWKzQr0[/youtube:3n0hy3t9]
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No one of us are entitled to say what Michael would and would not do, we can speculate yes but not claim it as fact. Idk if he would do this for the money perhaps, perhaps not.
Of course. I can't see anyone saying "I KNOW MICHAEL...". I'm pretty sure everyone in this thread so far have only expressed their opinions. "I think Michael..." seems to be in EVERY post. :)
Dont get my words twisted. I never stated that the OP have done that this I tell everyone who thinks they know Michael when they in fact dont.
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Welcome constant lurker infrequent poster. I look forward to reading more posts from you.
I laid my cards on the table several months ago on the old MJkit and stated that I have believed that MJ did it for one reason and only one reason....publicity. The name of the game is popularity and MJ had lost his. He had to do something HUGE to regain it. There are fans who love MJ and have loved him since December 13, 1969 (release of the first Jackson 5 album) and December 14, 1969 (debut on tv's Ed Sullivan show). However many fans have swayed and strayed toward the flavor-of-the-month musical acts. Many fans look at Mj in the past tense. Goodness...how many fans look at very o-l-d pictures of MJ wearing gold or tight leather pants and with his long curls draping over his face. He was last seen wearing those clothes and hairstyles ...10, 15 or possibly 20+ years ago. Hmmm that speaks volumes for how the current MJ is perceived by fans. Competition is stiff in the entertainment business. People have lots of options. MJ's lovely pop ballads and upbeat dance songs have influenced many musicians. There are lots of artists who owe their career and success to MJ's influence. IMHO, I believe in my heart that Mj's hoax was a ploy on his part to remind the newbies just who is the real big dog in the pack.
I never bought into govt, DEA, save the world theories. That IMO was a stretch. My govt does not put that much emphasis on celebrities...not even one on the level of MJ. He doesn't warrent that much attention outside of his loyal fans. Plus, let's look at Mj's music. He wrote more songs about love and sex than he ever did about saving the planet.
Back to publicity. Has anyone noticed how Jacksons are able to revive careers that had been stalled or non-existent for decades? This is all because of MJ. Is Mj coming back and if so will it be soon? I highly doubt it. The first sign of a living breathing MJ would send those Jacksons back into oblivion. NO one cares about them.Yes... even talented Janet would be placed on the back burner again. Mj is giving himself a boost in the pr department and helping the family in the process as well. Time froze for him on June 25, 2009. Fans and non-fans a like will forever hear his music, watch him dance and do so with a smile on their faces. That level of positive publicity can only be envied by others in the entertainment industry. They can slip up and cause scandals and appear in tabloids. MJ will forever be viewed in a positive light. I look into a make believe crystal ball and see several years coming and going before MJ returns...if at all.
I'm a near-constant lurker, infrequent poster. Infrequent because a.) I'm just not a people person, and b.) I really can't get down with a lot of the prevalent beliefs, in the "hoax community." I feel positive Michael is alive. I've seen some fascinating things, here (and by "here," I mean both the old and new forums, and MJHD) and, occasionally, some genuinely impressive detective work. But most of what I've read/seen, I haven't been able to agree with/be convinced by/see any meaning in. Clues, theories, that sort of thing.
Anyway, point being - this is why I don't really post here. Or at the old "here." Some of you have probably seen more of me, on Twitter, where I post as "tiffofdoom." My Twitter posts have occasionally found their way into speculation over MHA, on the old MJKIT, which is why I tend to reject follow requests and keep to myself, on Twitter, as well.
But I've been hanging around the fringes of the hoax community, in one form or another, since July. Sorry to be such a lurker; I'm kind of a weirdo, like that.
The big question I've seen here, over and over, is why. And I agree with some of you, that no reason has ever seemed *good* enough. He does not seem to have "hidden" himself very well. Too many little nods & winks at the fans (like the end of TII); too many glaring problems with the story the media was fed. If he hoaxed his death, I think it has to be assumed that he did want those who knew him well, and who would look most closely, to have reason to believe he was not dead.
I don't really think Michael was in any more serious danger than he ever was - and IF he was, he would be in more danger, when/if he came back. Not just from his enemies, but from angry, unhinged fanatics who might try to make his hoax come true.
I don't think the DEA theory makes enough sense, either. Maybe they would work with Michael Jackson; he's the most famous man in the world, even if he's often portrayed as ridiculous. But they would also do a better job of making this look real.
One answer made the most sense to me, logically: he did it for the money. While I don't think he was as bad off as the media portrayed, he was obviously not the moneymaker he had been. His legacy had suffered, too, being mostly destroyed, by time of his "death." Michael's a genius. He knew what his death would bring, financially. He also could have bet on what his death would do, for his name. That's the big one, for me. The money that's rolled in, is amazing. But from the beginning, I was sitting back, teary-eyed, thinking "This is going to do the impossible, and restore his name."
But Michael "woudln't" do that, right? I don't agree. I think, if he really needed to, he would. Michael is Love, sure, but he's shown, time and again, that he knows how to be cutthroat. If he REALLY needed the money, he'd do it.
One other answer made the most sense, going by Michael's heart: that he did it, to save the world. But how the #@^% does THAT work? Where's the PROOF he's gonna show everyone? He'd be torn apart, before he could even open his mouth, if he faked his death just to get the world's attention, then deliver some "It's all for L.O.V.E!" message.
If he somehow died to save the world, he'd have to walk into a press conference with something TANGIBLE and IMMEDIATE. And, while I saw the message of "TII," I didn't see anything he could really deliver on.
I did post at MJKIT, right after seeing TII, though. I don't think it got much notice. I asked about the Heal The World Foundation, because it raised my eyebrows that HTWF had seemingly "come alive" again, in the months/year before Michael died, and then he ends TII with what looks like the Heal The World Foundation logo.
He wanted to change the world. His charity was back. And then, when I checked out the website, in the section in which they talk about their founder, they said Michael would return to lead them in the future. A mistake, not corrected after his death, perhaps? But creepy, considering that Michael had given no public sign he was returning to HTWF, even before he died.
Sorry for the long prelude. I'm pathologically verbose, heh. But I also think I may have found the answer to everything. I went back to HTWF, tonight, to see what they were up to, as I was planning on donating, in the next couple weeks.
Has anyone checked out their website, lately? Because I don't think any of this was there, when I last visited:
http://www.healtheworld.us/members/htwf ... nitiatives (http://www.healtheworld.us/members/htwf/adminpages/initiatives)
ItI don't know how to even summarize all this, here; it's too much. Just go, and click on EVERYTHING.
I was shocked. Amused. Then, as I kept reading, I started crying, and haven't really stopped, since. No worries, though - this is GOOD crying.
I'm sure many of you will catch how much of the initiatives sounds like Michael's own words. They do mention his death, at one point - then turn around and say what they *think* he would want to tell his fans. Later, in other descriptions of various projects, they seem to completely drop the "dead" talk, and mention his planned world tours, giving educational speeches, and heavy, ongoing involvement in this plan to save humanity.
There are annual telethons planned. Movies. Music. TV stations. Radio stations. A FREAKING NEWSPAPER. It's insanely grandiose, it's an impossible dream, it's like listening to Jesus explain how He's gonna take over the world, with hugs.
In other words....it sounds exactly like Michael Jackson. And this plan is gonna require more capital than HTWF has ever pulled in.
Either the folks at Heal The World have lost their damn minds...or Michael DID do it for the money. And the attention. And the redemption of his name.
So he could save the world.
And, as one more little drop of Weirdness, on all this - those of you who have begun following MJAwakening, on Twitter, will doubtlessly recognize how neatly the missions he(?) proposes fit with the new goals of HTWF.
To everyone:
I don't care if you still believe Michael is alive, or not. I don't care what your preferred theory of doubles or Dave-Dave or the NWO is. You can all get behind this, because this was/is Michael's life-long dream.
Support the Heal The World Foundation. Join them. Donate. And spread the word. Take it to other message boards - forums and fan groups that don't believe the hoax. Tell everyone. If you love Michael, take up his dream. Because This really IS It.[/b]
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Well...and I am not trying to be rude...but I would encourage people to proceed with
caution until you are absolutely SURE..if you are planning on supporting any charity.
EVERYone is trying to ca$h in on MJ right now.. :roll:
In every community in which we live, there are people or animals in need that could use our
support. By giving within our communities, we are also helping to Heal the World. :)
I agree with this comment, everyone is cashing in at this time-even members of MJs family. Give to a known charity in your area or Oxfam or Red Cross etc. The third world always need help but we need to be sure donations reach them, with Oxfam most of what is donated reaches the needy.
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itsmagic
One answer made the most sense to me, logically: he did it for the money. While I don't think he was as bad off as the media portrayed, he was obviously not the moneymaker he had been. His legacy had suffered, too, being mostly destroyed, by time of his "death." Michael's a genius. He knew what his death would bring, financially. He also could have bet on what his death would do, for his name. That's the big one, for me. The money that's rolled in, is amazing. But from the beginning, I was sitting back, teary-eyed, thinking "This is going to do the impossible, and restore his name."
I have to somewhat disagree. Is that what the media portrayed. Was he really that broke? I remember seeing in one youtube video. I believe it was "What did happen to MJ Part 3 and I could be wrong of how much the catalogs were worth. But anyways, he may have had challenges but how bad was it as the media has portrayed it to be?
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itsmymagic
I don't really think Michael was in any more serious danger than he ever was - and IF he was, he would be in more danger, when/if he came back. Not just from his enemies, but from angry, unhinged fanatics who might try to make his hoax come true.
Also he mentioned in his interview with Ed Bradley that there was a conspiracy. Obviously MJ may have been concerned about his life.
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Alem
[Dont get my words twisted. I never stated that the OP have done that this I tell everyone who thinks they know Michael when they in fact dont./quote]
No pun intended. Just wanted to understand what do you meant by that. Are you saying just because people are MJ fans that doesn't mean we truly know him. If so, I can see your point on that.
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No one of us are entitled to say what Michael would and would not do, we can speculate yes but not claim it as fact. Idk if he would do this for the money perhaps, perhaps not.
Of course. I can't see anyone saying "I KNOW MICHAEL...". I'm pretty sure everyone in this thread so far have only expressed their opinions. "I think Michael..." seems to be in EVERY post. :)
Dont get my words twisted. I never stated that the OP have done that this I tell everyone who thinks they know Michael when they in fact dont.
I'll PM you so as to not clutter the thread.
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@ itsmagic That's how I see it too. Janet Jackson - "Don't know what you got til it's gone" And I have no idea how he'd come back, but it's going to have to be End of The World related for people to take him seriously. I think..
I forgot about the wayback machine. Wasn't it around 2003 at his 45th birthday celebration that Michael said he was going to make a website to bring all his fans together?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56DtxWKzQr0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56DtxWKzQr0)
The website he mentioned is http://mjjsource.com/ (http://mjjsource.com/) which shows as under construction. Wayback shows a pretty page though.
I think there's some clues in that video. It seems relevant to this year.
I looked at the very first page listed (wayback machine) for this site, which is in 2004. I called the number listed at the bottom and someone actually picked up. I freaked and hung up, but who answers and 800 number around 10 pm? I am still looking through the pages to see what I can find.
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I looked at the very first page listed (wayback machine) for this site, which is in 2004. I called the number listed at the bottom and someone actually picked up. I freaked and hung up, but who answers and 800 number around 10 pm? I am still looking through the pages to see what I can find.
HTWF is located in California. I can never recall how many time zones over they are, from me, but here in Louisiana (Central Time), it's only 9pm, so it must be 6 or 7pm, in Cali.
Course, if you used the 5-year old number, it may not even belong to HTWF, anymore. :/
Oh, and while I'm over here, I should add -
To those who felt leery of giving to a charity they don't know much about: HTWF currently needs volunteer help as much (or more) than money, and also considers "good deeds" as donations, so there's little risk in donating, in that fashion.
Regarding monetary donations, they clearly warn that, for the time being (which we assume is the present), donations are first needed for use in rebuilding the charity/operational costs. Which isn't hard to understand.
They then go on to recommend that, if you want your money to go solely and directly to those in need, you should donate instead to one of their approved charities (a list is provided, which I haven't yet checked out).
So, they do seem to be quite upfront, in regards to donations.
And one more time...I have seen no sign that they are "cashing in" on Michael's name, in any way - quite the opposite, in fact, as their refusal of publicity would suggest. So, while it IS true that just about everyone and their mama is now cashing in on Mike's name, it does NOT appear that HTWF is trying to do so, at this time. If you check the older versions of their site (such as through the Wayback Machine), you will see that they claimed association with Michael, for years, and filed the IRS paperwork to renew their charity, long before his "death."
I hate beating a dead horse. If you don't want to get involved, that's cool. But I think the accusation that they're "cashing in" is not only premature, but also possibly a little cruel. Someone's apparently put a lot of work and heart into this charity, and if they just wanted a quick buck, they could have found a much easier way than this.
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Michael's estate did indeed file a federal law suit against this organization two months ago. Michael's organization that he formed in 1992 was dissolved in 2004.[/b] This news is widely available from reputable news sources including CBS, MSN, ABC and others. It can easily be googled.
Here is one article.
Michael Jackson's estate sues foundation over trademarks, 'Heal the World' name
(THE ASSOCIATED PRESS/Michael A. Mariant, file)
LOS ANGELES - Michael Jackson's estate on Tuesday sued a foundation that bears the name of one of his most famous songs, "Heal the World."
The federal court lawsuit claims the Heal the World Foundation is improperly using trademarks and Web sites to create the impression they were approved by Jackson to solicit donations.
The current administrators of Jackson's estate - attorney John Branca and music executive John McClain - have a probate court's authority to protect Jackson's image and likeness and prevent sales of unauthorized merchandise. They have negotiated deals for official Jackson merchandise, including a coffee table book, trading cards and calendars.
The lawsuit claims the Heal the World Foundation had no relationship with Jackson or his family.
After-hours phone messages left for the foundation and an attorney were not immediately returned.
The suit claims Jackson created a charity based on his hit "Heal the World" in 1992, but it dissolved a decade later. "Defendants' acts of infringement and unfair competition have been committed with the intent to cause confusion, mistake and to deceive," the lawsuit claims.
The current Heal the World Foundation was formed in 2008 and trademarked its name. The lawsuit claims the foundation has sought trademarks for terms associated with Jackson, such as "Thriller," "Neverland" and "King of Pop.""
Jackson's estate has applied for trademarks of similar terms.
The foundation's Web site includes photos of Jackson and describes itself as a "universal charity organization designed to improve the condition of all mankind."
In August, the foundation filed a notice of its intent to use Jackson's name and sell merchandise in the singer's estate case.
The lawsuit claims trademark infringement and unfair competition, and seeks a cancellation of a trademark for Jackson's initials that the foundation has already received.
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Yes, this is the same story that's been discussed and linked to, throughout the past two pages. I've never heard a word of it, since the original claim that the Jacksons had filed suit - as I pointed out on the first page, I do find that extremely odd, considering how potentially juicy this story is. Anything with Jackson in the title will sell like hotcakes, now, so reporters should be all over this, even though all it amounts to is rather benign legal wrangling over trademarks.
Has anyone heard ANY follow-up, on this story, in past months?
I also have to wonder why Michael would not have sued them, considering they were using his image, name, and claiming his approval, while he was still very much alive and loaded with lawyers. You'll note that, in the above article, it's mentioned that the charity had already applied for and received a trademark for his initials, some time in the past.
Personally, I don't know why the estate lawyers filed this suit, or even if the information is legit. What I do notice, is that this story seems to follow the trend of radio silence on issues you would expect to be making news. Until I have more information, in my opinion, HTWF's claims seem both more logical and credible than this one oft-rehashed story.
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Someone asked earlier where the legal documentation is. Also, the above article states that the defendant (HTWF) started the foundation in 2008.
The current Heal the World Foundation was formed in 2008 and trademarked its name
Yet, whois.com and the wayback machine shows the website having been created long before 2008??
So, is this all part of the elaborate plot to destroy Michael's future efforts? The message he was planning to deliver in the TII concerts? To stop him once and for all from being a humanitarian? Or is this HTWF really a sham?? Or is there ANOTHER HTWF that we should be looking for that's imitating the one we are questioning?
I think the important thing to consider is that the only evidence we have of HTWF being corrupt has been provided by the media. Has it come from the horses mouth? I hate to ask this, but, was it on TMZ?? :lol: (since apparently at some stage TMZ became a credible source of MJ news with a few red herrings thrown to us here and there)
I'll check..
Yes, they did mention it here: http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/29/michael-j ... t-probate/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/29/michael-jackson-heal-the-world-foundation-lawsuit-probate/)
So, the sites mentioned are: mjaid.net, mjquotes.net, and healthworldfoundation.net.
I cannot find a mjaid.net, but I can find a http://www.mjaid.com/ (http://www.mjaid.com/) which has a link to the site we've been discussing here.
I cannot find a mjquote.net, but I can find a http://www.mjquotes.com/ (http://www.mjquotes.com/) which has a link to the site we've been discussing here.
I cannot find a http://healthworldfoundation.net/ (http://healthworldfoundation.net/)
Wait.. Health World Foundation dot net huh???
So, I'll assume, for arguments sake, it's possible that the last url contains a typo and should read as:
http://healtheworldfoundation.net/ (http://healtheworldfoundation.net/)
This will give me a page with a "Click Here" option to be redirected to http://www.healtheworld.us/members/htwf (http://www.healtheworld.us/members/htwf)
So, on one hand "SHAM!!"
But, on the other hand it only got to the site we've been discussing ONCE I edited the url, and clicked *there* to get there..
And secondly.. we've all learnt how easy it is to redirect a website somewhere else. *glances in TIAI's direction*
So, if you take what TMZ has written as the truth then all 3 provided domains don't even exist, because in their article the one we are questioning contains a typo and reads as "health world foundation.net" (no spaces) instead.
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Ok, I want to point one more thing out.. this might go against it again..
http://www.tmz.com/tag/HealTheWorldFoundation/ (http://www.tmz.com/tag/HealTheWorldFoundation/)
The original TMZ article states: The Heal the World Foundation has filed court documents asking for the right to use the Michael Jackson trademark.
And the second one states The Special Administrators, John Branca and John McClain, have alleged in the suit the Foundation is using Jackson's name and likeness without permission.
Perhaps they got permission before TII was released, and that's why we saw HTW at the end??
But still, those domains TMZ mentioned don't exist now.
We really need an official horse to clear this up. Whenever you're ready guys :roll:
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or Michael DID do it for the money. And the attention. And the redemption of his name.
So he could save the world.[/b]
TOTALLY AGREE. VEY WELL SAID!!! And the only way for him to come back is the WITNESS DEFENSE ;) :)
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or Michael DID do it for the money. And the attention. And the redemption of his name.
So he could save the world.[/b]
TOTALLY AGREE. VEY WELL SAID!!! And the only way for him to come back is the WITNESS DEFENSE ;) :)
LOLZ! Okay, while I can't say I see that as a likely scenerio, I CAN promise that if this suit is real, actually sees a courtroom, and then HTWF calls Michael Jackson as a witness for the defense, I will, literally, crap my pants, laughing. Now THAT's a Perry Mason Moment.
Melzy777: If you mean someone was asking about documentation of HTWF as a charity, it's on the website. One sec...
Okay, if you go here - http://www.healtheworld.us/members/htwf ... issaJohnso (http://www.healtheworld.us/members/htwf/adminpages/QAwithMelissaJohnso)
- there is a lengthy Q & A with the president, Melissa Johnson, and at one point she posts some of the documentation. The rest of it is pretty interesting, as well.
And while I have that window open, here's that list of approved charities I mentioned, earlier, from HTWF:
http://www.healtheworld.us/members/htwf ... -charities (http://www.healtheworld.us/members/htwf/adminpages/approved-charities)
There's also this note, at the bottom of the page, which again directly addresses the controversy:
"Please note: Until HTWF has been cleared of these false allegations waged
against us, we want to make it clear to the public that the charities above
are NOT partnered or affiliated with HTWF in any way, other than our offical
approval of their good work, as charities that we have agreed are in alignment
with all the criteria HTWF requires for our support. HTWF does not wish to tarnish the good name and the very good work of these organizations and ask the public
to support them directly with confidence. HTWF will clear its name and
we will one day be able to do some good for the world and flow great support to all these honorable causes."
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Thanks @itsmagic
I haven't joined up, but I'll take your word on it for now. :D It's good to know they have that on there.
I was referring to the legal documents of MJE suing HTWF. Or HTWF earlier request for permission from MJE to use Michael Jackson™.
But, that statement from HTWF you posted confirms that it's between this site and MJE.
I like their last sentence. "HTWF will clear its name and we will one day be able to do some good for the world and flow great support to all these honorable causes."
I'm going to look through the charity list and see if we have them local. thanks. :)