Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

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Title: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: topsecretgirl on April 02, 2010, 05:32:32 PM
Interview with Janet Jackson by Oprah Winfrey.

http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/How-the-Jackson-Family-Tried-to-Help-Michael-Jackson-Video
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: mjboogie on April 02, 2010, 05:48:59 PM
I was just about to start a topic on this. ! I sat and watched this entire interview (and I plan on going back to review it) But you know what.........I get sooooo angry at Ophra because she spent quite a bit of minutes interviewing Janet about  MJ I was like dam!~Go ahead and discuss the movie.

For some reason it seems that they are trying to convince or (based on Ophrah's behavior)people that MJ was this TOTAL DRUGGIE!! I could not believe when Tyler stepped in! Speaking on Janet's behalf!! I was like WoW!!

Tyler kept saying the Jackson's tried really really hard to help MJ and Ophrah was like "Yeah but its not that easy when you have money and power like MJ" I guess the Jacksons' have been getting negative comments regarding MJ's supposed drug addiction?

Like Ophrah just kept pushing the drug issue which totally pissed me off!! :evil: I mean maybe I am in denial but I just dont' see MJ as this Crazy Desperate Druggie! I just don't! Your thoughts on this?

Has anyone picked up on Janet's behavior in this interview it was kinda hard for me to analyze her in this one. :?
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: Victor on April 02, 2010, 05:51:07 PM
sheee is soo cute :)
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: the arabian nights on April 02, 2010, 05:55:57 PM
thanks so much for that posting

i was really searching her face she is not telling the whole truth, i think she gave up on mike, why didnt she help him, why did she walk out,

oprah i think was very strong on this, you could see that she had been there and done that and by contrast you tell that she fell short.
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: topsecretgirl on April 02, 2010, 05:56:48 PM
Is it possible for someone to post the entire interview? I would like to see it.
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: loyalfan on April 02, 2010, 06:34:32 PM
on the topic of oprah.....i felt upset at the fact that she did that interview with micheal at neverland........and was all buddy buddy.......then she interviewed lisa marie presley,at a later date......and i was gutted at lisa being so disloyal...and oprah .......on her side......it just shows that you wear the hat to fit at the time...so insincere.........this is of course only my opinion on things.......xxxxx
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 02, 2010, 06:39:31 PM
I can't believe Janet would be the one to betray Michael.   But she has been voicing these same or similar sentiments every time she's asked about Michael.  This is a bit distressing to me since she says they were so close as children. A family's dirty laundry would be better served being aired out at home.  Keep your family's personal business out of the streets.  Before long we'll be seeing headlines again screaming Michael was a druggie who died because he just couldn't say no.  Way to go Janet. :?
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: mjssoulmate on April 02, 2010, 06:57:26 PM
First the family didn't know about the drugs, then they intervened, then they didn't, then they saw it coming, etc.
I really don't believe the intervention Janet keeps talking about.  I remember in the first interview she gave with Roberts, she looked away when she mentioned it.  To me it looked like she was lying then.  This time she didn't hesitate as much.  The same when asked where she was when she received the news about Michael.  The first time she said she was in New York, when we all read that she was on location in Atlanta.  This time she said she was at home in New York, but she seemed to hesitate with the New York part, as if she had to think about what she had said before.  
But what really stood out to me was said she said that she could always cry on cue, even as a child.  Seems to me that the memorial and burial were major cues, yet I saw no tears.  
I love Janet, but I do believe she is not quite honest .  Besides that interview was as scripted as the one she gave on one of the morning shows.
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: kingofmystery on April 02, 2010, 07:04:43 PM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
I can't believe Janet would be the one to betray Michael.   But she has been voicing these same or similar sentiments every time she's asked about Michael.  This is a bit distressing to me since she says they were so close as children. A family's dirty laundry would be better served being aired out at home.  Keep your family's personal business out of the streets.  Before long we'll be seeing headlines again screaming Michael was a druggie who died because he just couldn't say no.  Way to go Janet. :?

Although I see where you are coming from, substance (prescribed or illegal) use/abuse is an important issue that NEEDS to be talked about.  Education and creating awareness about this problem is key in helping others avoid or defeat this epidemic.  I am proud of her for speaking out, and I hope that she will inspire and encourage other families who have loved ones dealing with this issue.  There is a lot of shame attached to this problem.
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: Zen on April 02, 2010, 07:08:14 PM
OK, so if you remember when Oprah interviewed Michael Jackson, she said during
commercial break, Michael told her more, and she would not divulge this information.
Then, Michael Flately says on recent interview, that there were things about Michael
he (M.F.) would take to his grave.  
So, I think Michael talks more and nobody wants to tell what he says?   :?
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 02, 2010, 07:14:20 PM
There is a time and place for every and anything.  However I would think that 3 days before the trial is due to commence to save Murray's black ass just is not it.  She should shut up now and if she still sees a need to get it out there that bad, talk later. :roll: But for heavens sake don't be the one to  give Murray's side the perfect defense.
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 02, 2010, 07:55:17 PM
Now I truly understand why besides the obvious that Michael looked so out of place when you see him at those family gatherings.  You hardly ever see your family and when you do they gang up on you to intervene. Make you the center of a session.  WOW.  If they were so interested in intervening they would have taken it to him instead of wait until he comes over to just chill and have some family time.  I mean he would have hardly had much time to get over there then when he does, BAM! :evil:   I don't like it.  Doesn't sound family like.  At least make an appointment and call it a therapy session, not throw one on him when he's there to try to  get away from  the madness.  Geez if he was druggin, I'm sure once he left them he would definitely need one.   That's just not the way to do it.  Was there any where he could go to just be himself, except by himself???
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: scorpionchik on April 02, 2010, 08:48:01 PM
What about med test Michael went through to be allowed touring and get insurance? He was examined for 3-4 hours as Jermain said and we know from investigation report and other people? According to report Michael was absolutyely healthy and test results clean. If he would have been drug addict and abuser on daily basis, that wouyld appear in his blood test. Moreover, there is no way Michael would have normal internal organs abusing medications for years!
 My relative recently was diagnosed with Parkinson Syndrome because she has been abusing for years painkiller medication only. Doctors described the follolwing: first of all drug caused kedney dysfunction that led to liver dysfunction then because blood was not be properly cleared up by liver it led to brain cells atrophy and that led to Parkinsonism. She has been taking 1 kind of painkiller for many years, may be 15-20
How come Michael who "has been abusing many types of painkillers and med. for incomnia" since the time he got fire on Pepsi Commercial and remained absolutely healthy!  :shock:   Is Michael's organs made of iron or what? Or all this is BS and exaggeration!
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: kingofmystery on April 02, 2010, 09:04:17 PM
I think he has had a couple or several different periods of his life when he was self-medicating. (We know fall 1993 for sure).  In 2001, he clearly seemed to be using substances and over-medicating to me.  I think these instances could very well be the times the family speaks of when discussing his drug issues.
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: bubaliciousjlb on April 02, 2010, 09:35:40 PM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
There is a time and place for every and anything. However I would think that 3 days before the trial is due to commence to save Murray's black ass just is not it. She should shut up now and if she still sees a need to get it out there that bad, talk later. :roll: But for heavens sake don't be the one to give Murray's side the perfect defense.




what is this? what does it mean?
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: scorpionchik on April 02, 2010, 10:01:41 PM
Quote from: "bubaliciousjlb"
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
There is a time and place for every and anything. However I would think that 3 days before the trial is due to commence to save Murray's black ass just is not it. She should shut up now and if she still sees a need to get it out there that bad, talk later. :roll: But for heavens sake don't be the one to give Murray's side the perfect defense.




what is this? what does it mean?

I guess the poster ment, if Janet admits her brother passed because he was abusing drugs, that would be sort of defense for Murrey.
However,  even if Michael would have been drug abuse for real, that is a debit for Murrey, not a credit and help in defense.  Murrey as took responsibility to take care of patent must have done the following: 1. request and review Michael's past medical record; 2. If he suspects Michael has an addiction, he must stop giving any medication and contact appropriate med. professional with the request to interfere and properly help addicted patient, not continue drug him up to get his $50,000 salary.  No matter what Janet says, nothing in defense to Murrey.
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: mjboogie on April 02, 2010, 10:28:16 PM
But what I am getting at (and I do feel that Janet felt very uncomfortable when drugs were brought up) is that why did TYLER keep stressing that the Jacksons tried??

I know he said because he wanted people to understand well in that case the Jacksons could state that theory themselves right? I mean Ophra was kinda like she was wondering where were the people that Loved MJ? In other words I would say that the first thing Ophra thought when she heard MJ had died from this was where was everyone when this was going on in MJ's life.

I guess I just dont feel comfortable with the drug issue. I understand that he self medicated in the past but the thing is that was past right?

ANd again we have the medical tests, unless it was forged or the doctors were paid off to say MJ had passed?

But on that note why would MJ agree to such testing if he knew there was a drug problem then he would know the medical tests would reflect that right? IDK anymore. Janet looks uncomfortable (only during the drug part) :(

I guess what I am getting at is WAS MJ REALLY STILL ADDICTED????

Janet said it, the Jacksons told Larry King....... I mean...
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: bubaliciousjlb on April 02, 2010, 11:43:33 PM
Quote from: "scorpionchik"
Quote from: "bubaliciousjlb"
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
There is a time and place for every and anything. However I would think that 3 days before the trial is due to commence to save Murray's black ass just is not it. She should shut up now and if she still sees a need to get it out there that bad, talk later. :roll: But for heavens sake don't be the one to give Murray's side the perfect defense.




what is this? what does it mean?

I guess the poster ment, if Janet admits her brother passed because he was abusing drugs, that would be sort of defense for Murrey.
However, even if Michael would have been drug abuse for real, that is a debit for Murrey, not a credit and help in defense. Murrey as took responsibility to take care of patent must have done the following: 1. request and review Michael's past medical record; 2. If he suspects Michael has an addiction, he must stop giving any medication and contact appropriate med. professional with the request to interfere and properly help addicted patient, not continue drug him up to get his $50,000 salary. No matter what Janet says, nothing in defense to Murrey.


i understood what was said i just did not care for the racial slur that was added that is why i highlighted it with red it wasnt the whole statement just saying that murray was trying to save his black assthat is what i had a problem with.
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: msteetee34 on April 03, 2010, 12:00:46 AM
When I watched the interview I feel like Janet is holding back on something.  I just don't see how the family would manage to do so many interventions for MJ when it doesn't seem like he was barely around them.  To me it seem like MJ had always been distant from his family since he began his solo career.  Everytime you saw him on tour you never see any of his family and the statement he made on Oprah in 1993 interview that he wish he could see his family more indicating that he doesn't see them often.  Janet even said on Oprah today that she began to lose her brother during Thriller which was way back in 1984.  So how do they even know what he was doing if he wasn't around them the majority of the time?  How can Janet make it seem like he was an addict?  He left the country back in 2005 for a few years as well.  Opah was kinda being annoying too how she kept talking about addicts and interventions like she's a pro on that subject.  I was also suprised when Tyler stepped in and said the Jacksons tried many times to help MJ.  I was like how would he know that?  Another thing why is it that none of MJ's close friends seem to have seen any problems with drugs?  Miko Brando made it seem like MJ was fine and healthy when he was on Larry King.  Sometimes I wonder if MJ did hoax his death maybe he wouldn't  have his family in on it just a few close friends.  Seem like some of his friends were there for him more in recent years.
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: MashMike on April 03, 2010, 02:51:51 AM
Agree,besides can u recall the"American Dream" documentary or the interview given by the bodyguards when one of them said that Michael was isolated from his family and would not let them in, when one of the brothers would visit him, even Joe, he would tell them to make an appointment beforehead,this leads me to the question-whether all the family members are aware of the hoax not talking about drugg issues,how can they all be aware of drug abuses when Michael had been isolated  from his family for years.
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on April 03, 2010, 08:12:14 AM
Quote from: "mjboogie"
I was just about to start a topic on this. ! I sat and watched this entire interview (and I plan on going back to review it) But you know what.........I get sooooo angry at Ophra because she spent quite a bit of minutes interviewing Janet about  MJ I was like dam!~Go ahead and discuss the movie.

For some reason it seems that they are trying to convince or (based on Ophrah's behavior)people that MJ was this TOTAL DRUGGIE!! I could not believe when Tyler stepped in! Speaking on Janet's behalf!! I was like WoW!!

Tyler kept saying the Jackson's tried really really hard to help MJ and Ophrah was like "Yeah but its not that easy when you have money and power like MJ" I guess the Jacksons' have been getting negative comments regarding MJ's supposed drug addiction?

Like Ophrah just kept pushing the drug issue which totally pissed me off!! :evil: I mean maybe I am in denial but I just dont' see MJ as this Crazy Desperate Druggie! I just don't! Your thoughts on this?

Has anyone picked up on Janet's behavior in this interview it was kinda hard for me to analyze her in this one. :?


I saw the interview, and the way Janet was speaking, i felt that Michael did die.  maybe the old Micheal who did take drugs died, and the new one will resurect. This is only my opinion
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: the arabian nights on April 03, 2010, 08:57:54 AM
think the family were are because of the non-mol - police raid  - drugs were there in the tub load, also TMZ says (who believes them) that it was well known mike was medicated

then there were the reports - randy had to call his doctor on the quite

grace reported that he mixed too much - was that debunked

but at the time of the invincible album to me he looked a little spaced - but who knows
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 03, 2010, 09:24:38 AM
Quote from: "bubaliciousjlb"
Quote from: "scorpionchik"
Quote from: "bubaliciousjlb"
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
There is a time and place for every and anything. However I would think that 3 days before the trial is due to commence to save Murray's black ass just is not it. She should shut up now and if she still sees a need to get it out there that bad, talk later. :roll: But for heavens sake don't be the one to give Murray's side the perfect defense.




what is this? what does it mean?

I guess the poster ment, if Janet admits her brother passed because he was abusing drugs, that would be sort of defense for Murrey.
However, even if Michael would have been drug abuse for real, that is a debit for Murrey, not a credit and help in defense. Murrey as took responsibility to take care of patent must have done the following: 1. request and review Michael's past medical record; 2. If he suspects Michael has an addiction, he must stop giving any medication and contact appropriate med. professional with the request to interfere and properly help addicted patient, not continue drug him up to get his $50,000 salary. No matter what Janet says, nothing in defense to Murrey.


i understood what was said i just did not care for the racial slur that was added that is why i highlighted it with red it wasnt the whole statement just saying that murray was trying to save his black assthat is what i had a problem with.

Not a racial slur.  His ass is black and so is mine :roll:
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: kingofmystery on April 03, 2010, 09:30:33 AM
If anyone here has had to do an "intervention", you would see and agree with Janet's perspective on this. Interventions are extremely hard to do, especially when that family member/friend is in denial.  You may or may not be close to the person at that time, because they will often avoid those who are trying to intervene.  Sometimes they go as far as to distance themselves, so as to avoid the conversations and confrontations.
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: whisper on April 03, 2010, 09:58:01 AM
I watched Janet with Oprah .... Couldn't get anything from it ...What do u think guys ?
Her emotions look  so real..
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: the arabian nights on April 03, 2010, 10:12:37 AM
you can see that there is a whole lot not said
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: bubaliciousjlb on April 03, 2010, 11:09:38 AM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
Quote from: "bubaliciousjlb"
Quote from: "scorpionchik"
Quote from: "bubaliciousjlb"
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
There is a time and place for every and anything. However I would think that 3 days before the trial is due to commence to save Murray's black ass just is not it. She should shut up now and if she still sees a need to get it out there that bad, talk later. :roll: But for heavens sake don't be the one to give Murray's side the perfect defense.




what is this? what does it mean?

I guess the poster ment, if Janet admits her brother passed because he was abusing drugs, that would be sort of defense for Murrey.
However, even if Michael would have been drug abuse for real, that is a debit for Murrey, not a credit and help in defense. Murrey as took responsibility to take care of patent must have done the following: 1. request and review Michael's past medical record; 2. If he suspects Michael has an addiction, he must stop giving any medication and contact appropriate med. professional with the request to interfere and properly help addicted patient, not continue drug him up to get his $50,000 salary. No matter what Janet says, nothing in defense to Murrey.


i understood what was said i just did not care for the racial slur that was added that is why i highlighted it with red it wasnt the whole statement just saying that murray was trying to save his black assthat is what i had a problem with.

Not a racial slur. His ass is black and so is mine :roll:



well maybe you should have a little more respect for your ass and his. lets not forget this is a universal forum ;)
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: kingofmystery on April 03, 2010, 11:18:25 AM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
you can see that there is a whole lot not said

Yes, b/c there is a pending court case, she has to choose her words very carefully. This is also often on the advisement of attorneys.
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: the arabian nights on April 03, 2010, 11:51:58 AM
Quote from: "kingofmystery"
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
you can see that there is a whole lot not said

Yes, b/c there is a pending court case, she has to choose her words very carefully. This is also often on the advisement of attorneys.

why do this now
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: MJmakesmespeechless on April 03, 2010, 12:09:12 PM
I don't think they did anything (as far as an intervention goes). Seems to me alot of the Jackon's just didnt care. They SAY they do/did whatever. Too little too late. Always when someone "dies" they feel bad. Bad for themselves maybe
Michael hardly saw his family. A few times a year. They were not really in his "life" that much
I refuse to believe he was addicted to anything other than JUSTICE and having PEACE!!!
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: dragonflylilies on April 03, 2010, 01:10:25 PM
Quote from: "loyalfan"
on the topic of oprah.....i felt upset at the fact that she did that interview with micheal at neverland........and was all buddy buddy.......then she interviewed lisa marie presley,at a later date......and i was gutted at lisa being so disloyal...and oprah .......on her side......it just shows that you wear the hat to fit at the time...so insincere.........this is of course only my opinion on things.......xxxxx
I completely feel the same way about Oprah.  I used to watch her shows and I used to have respect for her, until I saw all 3 shows of her about Michael.  The first one was the so called buddy buddy interview at Neverland, then the LMP interview and finally the one she had about his death.  I was so disgusted how she talked about her being close to him that she wished she could have helped him. (This was in the last one)  I was like, give me a freaking break!  Oprah doesnt know which side she wants to be on.  I guess it just depends on who she is interviewing at the time.  I for one am glad that she is retiring soon.
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: Invincible1 on April 03, 2010, 01:47:05 PM
If she walked away from the last intervention...I don't buy that it was so painful because she has been around a lot of it.    I think you become a little more desensitized to it, learn from it and realize how dangerous addiction really is.  If she walked, hm, I would guess she got angry :?:   She spent an inordinate amount of time convincing everyone that she knew what addiction was.  I guess Murray will be exonerated after all.
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: Working Hard on April 03, 2010, 01:48:35 PM
Quote from: "Invincible1"
If she walked away from the last intervention...I don't buy that it was so painful because she has been around a lot of it.    I think you become a little more desensitized to it, learn from it and realize how dangerous addiction really is.  If she walked, hm, I would guess she got angry :?:   She spent an inordinate amount of time convincing everyone that she knew what addiction was.  I guess Murray will be exonerated after all.


Oh god kill me.
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: GirlSaturday on April 03, 2010, 02:21:06 PM
My thoughts? I don't know and really no one knows aside from the person who may be abusing drugs. I have a couple of family members who are addicted to drugs and/or  alcohol. They are in denial and they continually give the impression that they are in control of their situations. Denial...pure and simple. Addiction is an equal opportunity disease. It can occur anytime anywhere and with anyone. Celebrities aren't immune. If anything they are prone to addictions because they have vast resources that you and I don't have to acquire their drug of choice. Each person faces challenges in life but most of us do it privately whereas celebrities live their lives publically and in fish bowls. That's no excuse it is just an observation. People often say that Mj wouldn't have become addicted because he has so much going for him and he has the children to consider. Well consider this...there are many addicts who have jobs, homes, and family including children that they ignore because of their addictions. Smart people can make dumb choices in life.

Oprah may have been simply asking the questions that so many others... fans or non-fans... may be asking. How is it that someone like MJ could get caught up in the addiction cycle? Face it we do place some people on pedastals and assume that they are immune from normal human frailties and vulneralbilities. MJ was one of those people.

I cannot claim one way or another to know if MJ was a casual abuser or a total druggie or not addicted at all. I cannot say that I know. No one ever fits the profile. What is the profile of an abuser anyway? I have met abusers and none of them ever fit the stereotypical profile.

If MJ was an abuser then he had to do things to hide his  addiction. That is the first thing that most addicts do. So that means that he may have indeed isolated himself and cut himself off from people that he knew especially those who would have detected the abuse. There have been quite a few family members and friends who have spoken up and stated that they had not talked to or spent time with him in years.  That speaks volumes.

I honestly hope that MJ didn't get caught in that trap. If he did, I sincerely hope that he sought help and found it. Addictions happen and they aren't necessarily the end of the world particularly if a person seeks help and climbs out of that hole.

Quote from: "mjboogie"
I was just about to start a topic on this. ! I sat and watched this entire interview (and I plan on going back to review it) But you know what.........I get sooooo angry at Ophra because she spent quite a bit of minutes interviewing Janet about  MJ I was like dam!~Go ahead and discuss the movie.

For some reason it seems that they are trying to convince or (based on Ophrah's behavior)people that MJ was this TOTAL DRUGGIE!! I could not believe when Tyler stepped in! Speaking on Janet's behalf!! I was like WoW!!

Tyler kept saying the Jackson's tried really really hard to help MJ and Ophrah was like "Yeah but its not that easy when you have money and power like MJ" I guess the Jacksons' have been getting negative comments regarding MJ's supposed drug addiction?

Like Ophrah just kept pushing the drug issue which totally pissed me off!! :evil: I mean maybe I am in denial but I just dont' see MJ as this Crazy Desperate Druggie! I just don't! Your thoughts on this?

Has anyone picked up on Janet's behavior in this interview it was kinda hard for me to analyze her in this one. :?
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: Working Hard on April 03, 2010, 02:22:47 PM
Janet's nice, Latoya is free, and Joe doesn't have an agenda
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: bubaliciousjlb on April 03, 2010, 02:46:32 PM
Quote from: "GirlSaturday"
My thoughts? I don't know and really no one knows aside from the person who may be abusing drugs. I have a couple of family members who are addicted to drugs and/or alcohol. They are in denial and they continually give the impression that they are in control of their situations. Denial...pure and simple. Addiction is an equal opportunity disease. It can occur anytime anywhere and with anyone. Celebrities aren't immune. If anything they are prone to addictions because they have vast resources that you and I don't have to acquire their drug of choice. Each person faces challenges in life but most of us do it privately whereas celebrities live their lives publically and in fish bowls. That's no excuse it is just an observation. People often say that Mj wouldn't have become addicted because he has so much going for him and he has the children to consider. Well consider this...there are many addicts who have jobs, homes, and family including children that they ignore because of their addictions. Smart people can make dumb choices in life.

Oprah may have been simply asking the questions that so many others... fans or non-fans... may be asking. How is it that someone like MJ could get caught up in the addiction cycle? Face it we do place some people on pedastals and assume that they are immune from normal human frailties and vulneralbilities. MJ was one of those people.

I cannot claim one way or another to know if MJ was a casual abuser or a total druggie or not addicted at all. I cannot say that I know. No one ever fits the profile. What is the profile of an abuser anyway? I have met abusers and none of them ever fit the stereotypical profile.

If MJ was an abuser then he had to do things to hide his addiction. That is the first thing that most addicts do. So that means that he may have indeed isolated himself and cut himself off from people that he knew especially those who would have detected the abuse. There have been quite a few family members and friends who have spoken up and stated that they had not talked to or spent time with him in years. That speaks volumes.

I honestly hope that MJ didn't get caught in that trap. If he did, I sincerely hope that he sought help and found it. Addictions happen and they aren't necessarily the end of the world particularly if a person seeks help and climbs out of that hole


i totally agree
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: Working Hard on April 03, 2010, 02:55:42 PM
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My thoughts? I don't know and really no one knows aside from the person who may be abusing drugs. I have a couple of family members who are addicted to drugs and/or alcohol. They are in denial and they continually give the impression that they are in control of their situations. Denial...pure and simple. Addiction is an equal opportunity disease. It can occur anytime anywhere and with anyone. Celebrities aren't immune. If anything they are prone to addictions because they have vast resources that you and I don't have to acquire their drug of choice. Each person faces challenges in life but most of us do it privately whereas celebrities live their lives publically and in fish bowls. That's no excuse it is just an observation. People often say that Mj wouldn't have become addicted because he has so much going for him and he has the children to consider. Well consider this...there are many addicts who have jobs, homes, and family including children that they ignore because of their addictions. Smart people can make dumb choices in life.

Oprah may have been simply asking the questions that so many others... fans or non-fans... may be asking. How is it that someone like MJ could get caught up in the addiction cycle? Face it we do place some people on pedastals and assume that they are immune from normal human frailties and vulneralbilities. MJ was one of those people.

I cannot claim one way or another to know if MJ was a casual abuser or a total druggie or not addicted at all. I cannot say that I know. No one ever fits the profile. What is the profile of an abuser anyway? I have met abusers and none of them ever fit the stereotypical profile.

If MJ was an abuser then he had to do things to hide his addiction. That is the first thing that most addicts do. So that means that he may have indeed isolated himself and cut himself off from people that he knew especially those who would have detected the abuse. There have been quite a few family members and friends who have spoken up and stated that they had not talked to or spent time with him in years. That speaks volumes.

I honestly hope that MJ didn't get caught in that trap. If he did, I sincerely hope that he sought help and found it. Addictions happen and they aren't necessarily the end of the world particularly if a person seeks help and climbs out of that hole


i totally agree

fucking awesome
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 03, 2010, 03:04:32 PM
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There is a time and place for every and anything. However I would think that 3 days before the trial is due to commence to save Murray's black ass just is not it. She should shut up now and if she still sees a need to get it out there that bad, talk later. :roll: But for heavens sake don't be the one to give Murray's side the perfect defense.




what is this? what does it mean?

I guess the poster ment, if Janet admits her brother passed because he was abusing drugs, that would be sort of defense for Murrey.
However, even if Michael would have been drug abuse for real, that is a debit for Murrey, not a credit and help in defense. Murrey as took responsibility to take care of patent must have done the following: 1. request and review Michael's past medical record; 2. If he suspects Michael has an addiction, he must stop giving any medication and contact appropriate med. professional with the request to interfere and properly help addicted patient, not continue drug him up to get his $50,000 salary. No matter what Janet says, nothing in defense to Murrey.


i understood what was said i just did not care for the racial slur that was added that is why i highlighted it with red it wasnt the whole statement just saying that murray was trying to save his black assthat is what i had a problem with.

Not a racial slur. His ass is black and so is mine :roll:



well maybe you should have a little more respect for your ass and his. lets not forget this is a universal forum ;)

Is it the word "black" that you find disrespectful?  Ahem?  I've seen ass on here any number of times and far worse, but I will  not  go there this day.  I have vowed to remain stress free and dwell on more important issues. Have a happy Easter.
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: Raven on April 03, 2010, 03:29:30 PM
Quote from: "scorpionchik"
I guess the poster ment, if Janet admits her brother passed because he was abusing drugs, that would be sort of defense for Murrey.
However,  even if Michael would have been drug abuse for real, that is a debit for Murrey, not a credit and help in defense.  Murrey as took responsibility to take care of patent must have done the following: 1. request and review Michael's past medical record; 2. If he suspects Michael has an addiction, he must stop giving any medication and contact appropriate med. professional with the request to interfere and properly help addicted patient, not continue drug him up to get his $50,000 salary.  No matter what Janet says, nothing in defense to Murrey.
I second that.

It's obvious Michael had a problem with prescription drug dependency and the family did do their best to intervene. It is interfering with the investigation of a possible murder cover up though, if he took these substances voluntarily.

She went emotional when Oprah asked her what her last words to Michael were and she said "I love you". You can see the moment being rehashed in her mind and appearing on her face. Hard to tell, but convincing that he really has passed
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: reasonables+luvs+MJ on April 05, 2010, 12:59:42 AM
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I watched Janet with Oprah .... Couldn't get anything from it ...What do u think guys ?
Her emotions look  so real..

yeah, there's a word for thatacting
 ;)
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: the arabian nights on April 05, 2010, 06:40:06 AM
from  what i have heard from janet - it seems to me that he has been dead to her for so long

at the first awards did not  think she knew, but when she was interviewed and was smiling she knew, now i think she thinks its enough and she is focusing on her and distancing herself

will she turn up today at court - nope i think.
Title: Re: How the Jackson family tried to help Michael
Post by: hesouttamylife on April 07, 2010, 06:16:35 PM
I've got one final thing to say about this drug addiction Michael supposedly had.  If Michael is dead and the autopsy and forensics reports are indeed true, those documents would disprove in any court of law that Michael was an addict.  If you've read it  you'd know it too.  Addicts ABUSE drugs, take them above and beyond what is prescribed.  That's a known fact and not an opinion.  All the drugs that were listed, ALL of them, still had some pills left in the bottles.  Some were prescribed months and months before 6/25/09.  If he were so addicted, ALL of those bottles would have been completely EMPTY, which proves that he was taking them AS PRESCRIBED, and not abusing them.  Granted he had been prescribed a lot of different meds, but that's on the doctors and not Michael.  He was following the dosages and relying of his doctors knowing what they were doing.  Go back and check for yourselves.  His doctor or doctors were over medicating him.  He was  ingesting the dosages obviously at the times and in the amounts for which they had been prescribed.  That, in MY OPINION, let me stressed that so as not to be told "you don't know for sure" so in my opinion he was not an addict.  His doctors were incompetent and greedy.
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