Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: DancingTheDream on March 29, 2010, 12:05:32 PM
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TMZ has learned the bodyguard who says Dr. Conrad Murray asked him to help hide Propofol in Michael Jackson's house the day he died was fired from his job Friday by the Jackson family.
Alvarez had been working at the Jackson family compound in Encino since the singer died last June.
Alberto Alvarez is the bodyguard who called 911 from Jackson's house. Last week it was reported that Alvarez told LAPD detectives .... that before paramedics arrived on scene Dr. Murray asked him to put bottles of Propofol in a bag.
Alvarez -- who is sometimes referred to as Jackson's "logistics director" -- did not tell detectives about the alleged cover-up the day Jackson died, but rather two months later. The story about the alleged cover-up broke last Monday.
As for why Alvarez was fired, the Jackson family isn't talking.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jac ... z0jaP0eTGX (http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jackson#ixzz0jaP0eTGX)
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sounds like bad news to me
and bad news for the hoax
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not good............!!!!!.......could it be yet more lies though!!!!!........
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Ofcourse it are lies, TMZ is the media and I don't believe them anymore. They are not helping us in any way. But if he really is fired I wonder what this is going to do for the hoax.
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sounds like bad news to me
and bad news for the hoax
Agreed.
If he was just doing his job for the hoax and giving out bs information, then there would be no need to fire him.
However, if what was said is true - that Murray asked him to hide medications and he complied AND he didn't say anything about it for 2 months - then this would be good reason to let him go.
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well he surely couldnt be seen still guarding the family after this came out otherwise then everyone would suspect a hoax.
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good point there.........but my nerves are in tatters over this.......nail biting stuff eh...!!!!!
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This is another crap from tmz...just to confuse us ,so just beat it.... ;)
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so..trisha.........do you reckon he has not really been fired....????
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my[KING]"]well he surely couldnt be seen still guarding the family after this came out otherwise then everyone would suspect a hoax.
I agree.. and if its true that he hid drugs on Dr Murrays request then Alvarez should be arrested for being an accomplise and also for obstructing the course of justice.
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my[KING]"]well he surely couldnt be seen still guarding the family after this came out otherwise then everyone would suspect a hoax.
I agree.. and if its true that he hid drugs on Dr Murrays request then Alvarez should be arrested for being an accomplise and also for obstructing the course of justice.
great minds think alike <3
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On the other hand... How can the family face MJ's fans by keeping the person who helped the doctor that killed their idol...
To me it's logical consequence to the report, whether it's true or not. I don't think it has any meaning to the hoax what so ever...
It's all about appearance.
L.O.V.E.
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Yeah I don't know where TMZ got their information on this one! Honetly you are right
Just listen to how it sounds guys! Yeah Alberto (who has known and worked with MJ for years) walks in sees the tragedy in the bedroom and does exactly what Murray has told him to do. Hey! Alberto help me hide the drugs first , I can't let anyone see these drugs! And then we'll call 911 ok? I think he's already dead anyway, or he's about to die!" O h yeah :roll: I want to say bullshit. Because why in the hell would Alberto do this? And then wait two whole months before coming out and telling LAPD? Why? Was he threatened in some way?
I will say this, that I have always felt that Miko Brando , and Alberto Alvarez are two of MJ"s most trusted and loyal bodyguards. No, I don't know them personally but that is just what I feel.
Also note that it says the Jackson family isn't talking?
Remember guys things will come out this week they are already starting because the Murray court date is April 5th!
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my[KING]"]well he surely couldnt be seen still guarding the family after this came out otherwise then everyone would suspect a hoax.
I agree.. and if its true that he hid drugs on Dr Murrays request then Alvarez should be arrested for being an accomplise and also for obstructing the course of justice.
2nd the bolded.
In a hoax scenario though, what's the purpose of having Alvarez wait 2 months to disclose this information?
And if all of this is planned out, why hire someone that you're only going to fire again once this "fake" information comes out?
We could have easily learned about this without the Jacksons hiring and then firing him...
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Is Dr Murrays Girlfriend Nicole Alvarez related to Alberto Alvarez??
Or just another example of using the same names.. :?: :?:
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Well, if the article is true,it a very natural thing,after Alberto's announcement about the drugs it is very natural that the family fired him otherwise all this will appear unserious and fishy for the whole world, besided maybe he was fired to join Michael and be again his pers. bodyguard,smth aint right in this story, after a couple of months' silence loads of shocking info is poured just before the trial
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TMZ confusing ... anyone with some sense knows this is rubbish. If I'm with someone who has a heart attack and the doctor that its services to that person for the CPR, and dares to ask for my help to hide bottles, ... ! ja! , I would call the police immediately.
And "assuming" that this story is true, Alverez would have to go to prison. 8-)
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Hmm this is making me nervous. And I didn't know Alvarez was hired by Tohme Tohme...
Alberto Alvarez, 32, Michael Jackson’s bodyguard, was the one who called 911 when Jackson collapsed. Alvarez had worked for Jackson for the past 18 months. Alvarez is a second generation Mexican who lives in Pomona, Calif. Alvarez is married and his parents live together with him. Alvarez was hired by Dr Tohme Tohme, Jackson’s business manager.
Alberto Alvarez was said to be loyal and kept the secret of working for Jackson well. None of his neighbors knew Alvarez was working for the superstar.
http://celebgalz.com/michael-jacksons-b ... rez-photo/ (http://celebgalz.com/michael-jacksons-bodyguard-alberto-alvarez-alberto-alvarez-photo/)
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IMO MJ is using TMZ only to make it 150% clear that WE are dependent on tabloid news just like a junkie and that WE are the ones needing a prop to not fall off the stairs and that WE are the fools allowing others to fool us around.
Every word concerning MJ is actually concerning us.
Security tapes were said to be missing
Security breach (leakages of information at coroner, LAPD, UCLA whoever)
MJ giraffes found dead
Security incident reported at Encino (theft attempt, stun gun and related)
Security was said to be reduced at FL
Security was said to be reinforced at FL
Security measures were said to be taken around the grave
Security staff was said to have been fired (not the first time btw)
Whoever is inventing these twists:
I would suggest we get some story
- on the kids on a diving course losing a rope or some karate incident or
- some paparazzi caught by security staff on Encino ground or
- some driving high speed without seat-belts (and caught by state police) or
- some knife incident when eating mussels at Fisherman's wharf
Harvey, get some inspiration .... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Hmm this is making me nervous. And I didn't know Alvarez was hired by Tohme Tohme...
Alberto Alvarez, 32, Michael Jackson’s bodyguard, was the one who called 911 when Jackson collapsed. Alvarez had worked for Jackson for the past 18 months. Alvarez is a second generation Mexican who lives in Pomona, Calif. Alvarez is married and his parents live together with him. Alvarez was hired by Dr Tohme Tohme, Jackson’s business manager.
Alberto Alvarez was said to be loyal and kept the secret of working for Jackson well. None of his neighbors knew Alvarez was working for the superstar.
http://celebgalz.com/michael-jacksons-b ... rez-photo/ (http://celebgalz.com/michael-jacksons-bodyguard-alberto-alvarez-alberto-alvarez-photo/)
WOAH.. i didnt know there was a Thome connection either.. hmmm.. getting more interesting!!!
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Yeah I don't know where TMZ got their information on this one! Honetly you are right
Just listen to how it sounds guys! Yeah Alberto (who has known and worked with MJ for years) walks in sees the tragedy in the bedroom and does exactly what Murray has told him to do. Hey! Alberto help me hide the drugs first , I can't let anyone see these drugs! And then we'll call 911 ok? I think he's already dead anyway, or he's about to die!" O h yeah :roll: I want to say bullshit. Because why in the hell would Alberto do this? And then wait two whole months before coming out and telling LAPD? Why? Was he threatened in some way?
I will say this, that I have always felt that Miko Brando , and Alberto Alvarez are two of MJ"s most trusted and loyal bodyguards. No, I don't know them personally but that is just what I feel.
Also note that it says the Jackson family isn't talking?
Remember guys things will come out this week they are already starting because the Murray court date is April 5th!
Totally!!!
I agree with this a million times over. He basically helped his best friends doctor cover up a big fat mistake, and that mistake killed MJ...........would any of YOU guys do this to a friend? HELL FRIGGIN NO.
I would be at the police station so damn fast...
Oh...excuse me Jacksonologist, can you help me cover up a boo boo and put those drugs in a bag for me? I dont want the police finding out I fucked up. And by the way, I think I killed your best friend."
NOT!
And why would Murray evena ask Alverez of all people to do this KNOWING he was close to MJ? WTFhell?
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is this tha assistant that cm was blaming for mj's death?
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Grace wrote; some knife incident when eating mussels at Fisherman's wharf
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Hmm this is making me nervous. And I didn't know Alvarez was hired by Tohme Tohme...
Alberto Alvarez, 32, Michael Jackson’s bodyguard, was the one who called 911 when Jackson collapsed. Alvarez had worked for Jackson for the past 18 months. Alvarez is a second generation Mexican who lives in Pomona, Calif. Alvarez is married and his parents live together with him. Alvarez was hired by Dr Tohme Tohme, Jackson’s business manager.
Alberto Alvarez was said to be loyal and kept the secret of working for Jackson well. None of his neighbors knew Alvarez was working for the superstar.
http://celebgalz.com/michael-jacksons-b ... rez-photo/ (http://celebgalz.com/michael-jacksons-bodyguard-alberto-alvarez-alberto-alvarez-photo/)
WOAH.. i didnt know there was a Thome connection either.. hmmm.. getting more interesting!!!
yup another person with a connection to Tohme!!! I dunno what to think Alvarez now!!
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One more thing I think is fishy.
the Jackson firing Alverez after this news came out is strange because wouldnt they have known this information BEFORE it was published in the media? Therefore, they should have fired him a long time ago....
Are they just finding out this info now just like we are? I think not.
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One more thing I think is fishy.
the Jackson firing Alverez after this news came out is strange because wouldnt they have known this information BEFORE it was published in the media? Therefore, they should have fired him a long time ago....
Are they just finding out this info now just like we are? I think not.
maybe he is going to get charged
or he is off with mike
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One more thing I think is fishy.
the Jackson firing Alverez after this news came out is strange because wouldnt they have known this information BEFORE it was published in the media? Therefore, they should have fired him a long time ago....
Are they just finding out this info now just like we are? I think not.
maybe he is going to get charged
or he is off with mike
yes that thought crossed my mind too.. the family would have known this before Friday, surely???
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hmm... well I don't wanna believe in all those storys.. I think I will wait April 5... ;)
and I agree that if this story is true(if he helped CM..) then ALVAREZ should be charged too...
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One more thing I think is fishy.
the Jackson firing Alverez after this news came out is strange because wouldnt they have known this information BEFORE it was published in the media? Therefore, they should have fired him a long time ago....
Are they just finding out this info now just like we are? I think not.
maybe he is going to get charged
or he is off with mike
yes that thought crossed my mind too.. the family would have known this before Friday, surely???
yup they had to have known... remember Latoya said she is keeping up with the investigation and cooperating with the District attorny... I think they fired him (if they did) because they were pressured to do so..maybe by family friends that dont know about the hoax...or just the public in general
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and they also would have to fire him because it wouldn't look right to the media. people would look at it like ''he withheld information, and may have contributed to his ''death'' so why is he still working for them?''
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I read somewhere (sorry don't know the source anymore) that Murray himself confessed he had hidden the bottles in the closet, two days after MJ's 'death'.
So if that's true why would Alvarez come out now? :?
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I read somewhere (sorry don't know the source anymore) that Murray himself confessed he had hidden the bottles in the closet, two days after MJ's 'death'.
So if that's true why would Alvarez come out now? :?
i think so, one of his lawyers issued a statement from ''Dr. Murray''? i'm starting to doubt the authenticity of this STORY....
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hi jacksonology..you say you are doubting the authenticity of the story............well i am doubting my ability to stay anything like sane for much longer...........prozac...where did i put the prozac........love to all xxxx
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this is actually not really worrisome to me. i even laughed at the 'news' cuz it's just the logical consequence of what happened after alvarez' statement. of course they cannot keep him there. the guy who helped cover mj's murderer, and have him watch his kids? no effin' way! plus, he is 'free' now, to go to his next assignment...now, what could that possibly be...??? ;)
then, if this is all 'in the plan', the way the information gets out (when and how), there is a certain picture to be maintained: the 'mj=drug addict' and the 'murray=murderer'. the desired effect being the ambiguousness of the murray-picture. one side says: it was mj's own fault cuz he was so addicted, he pressured murray into od'ing him - poor murray; the other: murray is a cold-blooded killer without a conscience and even demanded the bodyguard to get rid of the drugs to cover his a$$ - bad, bad murray. he has to stay 'presumed guilty' although there is no hard evidence he did anything.
especially not for us hoaxsters.
this is 'the 2005 trial reloaded', and mj is the one creating it, with all the facets of his own trial, pictures created by tabloids, crazy stuff going on on the 'sidelines'...you got the good guys going bad, the bad ones going good (still to be seen, but how about joe fighting for mj-justice?), everything changes every day...i can't wait for this court spectacle to start! :mrgreen:
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It does not add up as somebody here said why would you have the nerve to ask a trusted body guard to hide drugs if you are a new member of staff how would you know you could trust them if you only been there 10 days. And think you would get away with. I don't tho k so.
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I actually think it´s not bad news; why would the Jackson family fire him after months?
And apart from that, usually it´s no big deal if a celebrity fires his staff; things like that are never in the news. So how come the news know about that and even publish it, yet the Jackson family doesn´t want to talk about it?
fishy...
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I find it strange the end of this section, the Jackson family would have signed Alberto Alvarez, a confidentiality agreement, and now decides to dismiss him!
http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/07/05/j ... set-14001/ (http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/07/05/jacksons-bodyguard-who-dialled-911-comes-out-of-closet-14001/)
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Is Dr Murrays Girlfriend Nicole Alvarez related to Alberto Alvarez??
Or just another example of using the same names.. :?: :?:
I wondered this too the other day, but don't recall getting a response. Because if they are related well then wow!
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One more thing I think is fishy.
the Jackson firing Alverez after this news came out is strange because wouldnt they have known this information BEFORE it was published in the media? Therefore, they should have fired him a long time ago....
Are they just finding out this info now just like we are? I think not.
maybe he is going to get charged
or he is off with mike
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yeah i agree. think about it...all this time he's been watching over michael's kids, protecting them and what not. remember, alvarez went MISSING for days after michael "died." not even his wife knew where he was. umm, what? that's beyond weird. if you're husband went missing for days and you didn't know where he was, wouldn't you file a missing persons report? was that done? no, not that i am aware of.
therefore, here's my opinion:
alvarez went missing with michael to get him situated into hiding (whether that be at the encino compound, neverland, somewhere else in the US or another country)
he then came back with strict rules to watch over the kids
michael checked in periodically (physically- i.e. Halloween at Universal) to make sure everything was going alright-you know he's a protective dad
Now that it's spring time (Kenny's tweet of the "ice melting..he's back") things are starting to move much quicker...we're getting more news every day-every HOUR
how convenient that the week of easter (resurrection) and the week of murrays court date (the whole thing will never go through) that alverez is fired...
i think he's back to protecting michael, getting ready for a return.
this is how i'm justifying this news. call me crazy
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Bizarre as always. It is said that Alvarez told this story 2 months after Michael's "death". I was wonderin about the conditions of this revelation. To whom did Alavrez said that at first ?
"A source close to Dr. Murray told TMZ Alvarez made the statement two months after Jackson's death ... in the office of his lawyer, Carl Douglas ... when Alvarez was questioned again by cops. Douglas, by the way, is also a lawyer for the Jackson family."
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jac ... z0jbK3AVvI (http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jackson#ixzz0jbK3AVvI)
So the family was supposed to know this information way before today as they have the same laywer and should had normally fired him way before too. So there is no need to worry just wait and see...
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I was just following TMZ live and there was alot about MJ. Harvey also said it was weird about Alvarez cause Murray had already told them the Saturday after MJ's 'death' that there were bottles in the closet!
They also said it could go both ways with Murray: either a little jailtime or none at all!! :?
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Bizarre as always. It is said that Alvarez told this story 2 months after Michael's "death". I was wonderin about the conditions of this revelation. To whom did Alavrez said that at first ?
"A source close to Dr. Murray told TMZ Alvarez made the statement two months after Jackson's death ... in the office of his lawyer, Carl Douglas ... when Alvarez was questioned again by cops. Douglas, by the way, is also a lawyer for the Jackson family."
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jac ... z0jbK3AVvI (http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jackson#ixzz0jbK3AVvI)
So the family was supposed to know this information way before today as they have the same laywer and should had normally fired him way before too. So there is no need to worry just wait and see...
a source close to murray??? why would they tell ?? doesnt this get him in more trouble?? hmm maybe the source close to murray is mj :D
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Is Dr Murrays Girlfriend Nicole Alvarez related to Alberto Alvarez??
Or just another example of using the same names.. :?: :?:
I wondered this too the other day, but don't recall getting a response. Because if they are related well then wow!
if im not mistaken i believe that in one of jonell star vids she said that alberto was nicoles son. will try to find the vid.
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Is Dr Murrays Girlfriend Nicole Alvarez related to Alberto Alvarez??
Or just another example of using the same names.. :?: :?:
I wondered this too the other day, but don't recall getting a response. Because if they are related well then wow!
If this is true... then it comes full circle back to Thome again!!! :twisted:
Jermaine Jacksons wife is related to Dr Thome.
Alberto Alvarez is connected to Thome
Alberto Alvarez is related to Dr Murrays girlfriend.... enter Dr Murray.....
Does this explain why a trusted bodyguard hides drugs for Dr Murray and becomes an accomplise to the cover up?? Why else would Alvarez comply with Dr Murrays request to hide drugs???
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Bizarre as always. It is said that Alvarez told this story 2 months after Michael's "death". I was wonderin about the conditions of this revelation. To whom did Alavrez said that at first ?
"A source close to Dr. Murray told TMZ Alvarez made the statement two months after Jackson's death ... in the office of his lawyer, Carl Douglas ... when Alvarez was questioned again by cops. Douglas, by the way, is also a lawyer for the Jackson family."
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jac ... z0jbK3AVvI (http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jackson#ixzz0jbK3AVvI)
So the family was supposed to know this information way before today as they have the same laywer and should had normally fired him way before too. So there is no need to worry just wait and see...
a source close to murray??? why would they tell ?? doesnt this get him in more trouble?? hmm maybe the source close to murray is mj :D
Indeed. So many inconsistencies...
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Hmm this is making me nervous. And I didn't know Alvarez was hired by Tohme Tohme...
Alberto Alvarez, 32, Michael Jackson’s bodyguard, was the one who called 911 when Jackson collapsed. Alvarez had worked for Jackson for the past 18 months. Alvarez is a second generation Mexican who lives in Pomona, Calif. Alvarez is married and his parents live together with him. Alvarez was hired by Dr Tohme Tohme, Jackson’s business manager.
Alberto Alvarez was said to be loyal and kept the secret of working for Jackson well. None of his neighbors knew Alvarez was working for the superstar.
http://celebgalz.com/michael-jacksons-b ... o-alvarez- (http://celebgalz.com/michael-jacksons-bodyguard-alberto-alvarez-alberto-alvarez-)
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Mr. Alverez has worked for Michael longer than 18 months. Just curious where you got that from. If you watch the video outside court both going in and coming out you can see him with Michael. The clearest shots of Mr. Alverez are in the video of Michael getting up on the roof of the SUV. He guarded Michael. He stayed close to him.
Here's one of them.
[youtube:30xp30k9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNyiFz9_-OY&feature=fvw[/youtube:30xp30k9]
There's another one of them going in and Mr. Alverez is always looking around and behind to make sure Michael is alright.
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Did Mr. Alverez just come out with the rest of the story or is it just that it's just now being spilled. The AP might have just gotten the document, but I'm thinking it was part of the original statement to police? And there's really nothing to say that he complied with Dr. Murray or did I miss something. On Dr. Murray...no matter how you slice it this man doesn't think clearly.
Until the trial begins no one can begin to seperate fact from fiction. So we'll see.
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Is Dr Murrays Girlfriend Nicole Alvarez related to Alberto Alvarez??
Or just another example of using the same names.. :?: :?:
I wondered this too the other day, but don't recall getting a response. Because if they are related well then wow!
if im not mistaken i believe that in one of jonell star vids she said that alberto was nicoles son. will try to find the vid.
Nicole is to young to be Alberto's mother.
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the thing is that alberto had wanted to tell his story earlier but the LAPD wouldn't make time for him. Lawyers even went to the media to say that their client wanted to pass information about that day along and they set up a meeting and the LAPD cancelled. That's why he went for 2 months without a statement.
Also his involvement with Murray could have been Murray saying "let's just move all this drug stuff out of the way so the media doesn't have a hay day with it" I do think it's all weird and likely smoke and mirrors again but it doesn't mean Alberto did anything really really bad. He may have thought Michael would be happy that the drugs were removed from the room before the paramedics arrived. I think MJ embedded that stuff into them especially recalling the time that MJ's own family didn't call 911 when he almost overdosed before. One of the main reasons I started believing the hoax was because the LAPD didn't seem to want to interview THE ONLY MAN KNOWN TO BE IN THE ROOM WITH MICHAEL JACKSON OTHER THAN DR MURRAY AT THE TIME OF HIS "DEATH" AND THE ONE TO CALL 911. What cop in a real investigation wouldn't interview in depth the only known witness other than Murray for 2 months. Something is more than strange just because of that fact alone.
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The article says Alvarez has been working with the family since Michael's ''death'' in June. But wasn't there some info after June 25 that nobody knew where Alvarez was? So if that was the case how can they now say he has been working with the family since June? If he was he wouldn't have been that hard to find. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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the thing is that alberto had wanted to tell his story earlier but the LAPD wouldn't make time for him. Lawyers even went to the media to say that their client wanted to pass information about that day along and they set up a meeting and the LAPD cancelled. That's why he went for 2 months without a statement.
Also his involvement with Murray could have been Murray saying "let's just move all this drug stuff out of the way so the media doesn't have a hay day with it" I do think it's all weird and likely smoke and mirrors again but it doesn't mean Alberto did anything really really bad. He may have thought Michael would be happy that the drugs were removed from the room before the paramedics arrived. I think MJ embedded that stuff into them especially recalling the time that MJ's own family didn't call 911 when he almost overdosed before. One of the main reasons I started believing the hoax was because the LAPD didn't seem to want to interview THE ONLY MAN KNOWN TO BE IN THE ROOM WITH MICHAEL JACKSON OTHER THAN DR MURRAY AT THE TIME OF HIS "DEATH" AND THE ONE TO CALL 911. What cop in a real investigation wouldn't interview in depth the only known witness other than Murray for 2 months. Something is more than strange just because of that fact alone.
You know, after I wrote my last comment and logged off I remembered that too and came back to write it...lol. I'm sure that Alberto was interviewed right after and gave the basic info. I remember everyone feeling like the last man standing was not interviewed. And like you say, his attorney made a statement and couldn't figure out what the LAPD was doing. As I recall, there were 3 appointments made. One, the officer cancelled, one the officer was a no-show and then the third appt. was finally made and they all got together. Also as I recall, the report said that Alberto and another body guard [think they have the same attorney] were both interviewed seperately for about 2 hours. Sorry guys, I don't have the link and wouldn't know where to look. It was so long ago; don't even know how I stumbled on it to begin with. Let me look quick. Looked by date and couldn't find it.
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One more thing I think is fishy.
the Jackson firing Alverez after this news came out is strange because wouldnt they have known this information BEFORE it was published in the media? Therefore, they should have fired him a long time ago....
Are they just finding out this info now just like we are? I think not.
maybe he is going to get charged
or he is off with mike
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yeah i agree. think about it...all this time he's been watching over michael's kids, protecting them and what not. remember, alvarez went MISSING for days after michael "died." not even his wife knew where he was. umm, what? that's beyond weird. if you're husband went missing for days and you didn't know where he was, wouldn't you file a missing persons report? was that done? no, not that i am aware of.
therefore, here's my opinion:
alvarez went missing with michael to get him situated into hiding (whether that be at the encino compound, neverland, somewhere else in the US or another country)
he then came back with strict rules to watch over the kids
michael checked in periodically (physically- i.e. Halloween at Universal) to make sure everything was going alright-you know he's a protective dad
Now that it's spring time (Kenny's tweet of the "ice melting..he's back") things are starting to move much quicker...we're getting more news every day-every HOUR
how convenient that the week of easter (resurrection) and the week of murrays court date (the whole thing will never go through) that alverez is fired...
i think he's back to protecting michael, getting ready for a return.
this is how i'm justifying this news. call me crazy
mjfansince4, I think you are very close to the truth....I think a lot of what Murray did, the "confessions", etc. were smokescreens to get investigators off the trail of what really went on. The fabricated evidence would make it appear Mike had a "propofol addiction". I am guessing also that Alvarez and others, maybe Miko, even Liz were helping Mike relocate.
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One more thing I think is fishy.
the Jackson firing Alverez after this news came out is strange because wouldnt they have known this information BEFORE it was published in the media? Therefore, they should have fired him a long time ago....
Are they just finding out this info now just like we are? I think not.
maybe he is going to get charged
or he is off with mike
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yeah i agree. think about it...all this time he's been watching over michael's kids, protecting them and what not. remember, alvarez went MISSING for days after michael "died." not even his wife knew where he was. umm, what? that's beyond weird. if you're husband went missing for days and you didn't know where he was, wouldn't you file a missing persons report? was that done? no, not that i am aware of.
therefore, here's my opinion:
alvarez went missing with michael to get him situated into hiding (whether that be at the encino compound, neverland, somewhere else in the US or another country)
he then came back with strict rules to watch over the kids
michael checked in periodically (physically- i.e. Halloween at Universal) to make sure everything was going alright-you know he's a protective dad
Now that it's spring time (Kenny's tweet of the "ice melting..he's back") things are starting to move much quicker...we're getting more news every day-every HOUR
how convenient that the week of easter (resurrection) and the week of murrays court date (the whole thing will never go through) that alverez is fired...
i think he's back to protecting michael, getting ready for a return.
this is how i'm justifying this news. call me crazy
mjfansince4, I think you are very close to the truth....I think a lot of what Murray did, the "confessions", etc. were smokescreens to get investigators off the trail of what really went on. The fabricated evidence would make it appear Mike had a "propofol addiction". I am guessing also that Alvarez and others, maybe Miko, even Liz were helping Mike relocate.
I don't think that Alberto was missing. His wife said he was taking Michael's death very hard and had to get away.
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Not surprised Alvarez hasn't been charged with anything.
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Well, I am going to weigh on this one and if Tohme was involved with Alvarez or
vice-versa, I would think it BAD news.
Look, that Tohme was seen everywhere with Michael Jackson, he is evil looking,
and in London, if you look at those pictures, Tohme not only has his hands clutching
Michael's shoulder, but ALSO around his WAIST. He is NOT the bodyguard.
He was always within INCHES of MIchael Jackson shadowing his every moves.
He is the one that: "built the wall around Michael Jackson", made him an "institution",
wanted to auction off personal items, said Michael Jackson had a "change of heart"
(complied with Tohme's demands??), would not stay fired!
This is slightly off-topic so I would apologize normally. TOHME is the single reason
I would not believe in hoax. We must know who he is and what is his story.
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^^^ THEN WHAT THE HECK IS JERMAINE DOING WITH HIM :?
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Very good Idealo, so what goes where on this news? 8-)
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What one knows, so does the other one.
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It does not add up as somebody here said why would you have the nerve to ask a trusted body guard to hide drugs if you are a new member of staff how would you know you could trust them if you only been there 10 days. And think you would get away with. I don't tho k so.
That is a very intelligent and valid question. We must be carefull not to get caught up in the webs of lies going on. We still have our heads on straight, well most of us I think :lol: :lol: , and we need to keep using them intelligently and objectively.
Great point you raised! 8-)
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This might be some chess game. Michael probably needs Alvarez and to find some reason why he suddenly quit job at Jackson family, they... 1. 8 months later report crap by Alvarez, then 2.he got fired.......
Becuase it does not make sense at all. ALVAREZ NOT AN IDIOT, HE WOULD HAVE EXCPECTED GET FIRED IF HE SUDDENLY "TELL THE TRUTH" or MAY BE EVEN KILLED or INJURED..... Did he want to get fired or be killed? Come on people, Who speaks the truth and contunues working at that family until gets fired?????? Lol, Lol, Lol :?: :?: :roll: :roll: :shock:
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First, I think we shouldn't believe everything TMZ writes.
Second, I agree with Jacksonologist that if Alvarez was indeed fired, he wasn't fired because of his statement made two months after June 25th.
As I recall, all staff was fired that day (probably by Thome who was in charge at that time)
If Alvarez did hide bottles when instructed by CM, I think he didn't work for Jackson anymore, he should go to jail too. After all this time working for MJ, he should know who his boss is, he was his bodyguard, for god sake, he should watch MJ's back, all the time.
The other thing is Oxman said that he didn't say before it because he wasn't asked.
I think we should wait and see what the truth is
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Two key witnesses in the Michael Jackson investigation have finally been interviewed by the LAPD, RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned.
Alberto Alvarez, the security guard that made the 911 call, and Michael Amir, Michael Jackson's chief of staff, were interviewed Monday at the office of their attorney , Carl Douglas.
Posted on Sep 01, 2009 @ 09:03PM
http://www.radaronline.com/category/tag ... to-alvarez (http://www.radaronline.com/category/tags/alberto-alvarez)
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What I don't understand is that it is said that Carl Douglas is Alvarez' lawyer and the Jackson Family' lawyer, at the same time...is it normal regarding the situation ? Just asking cause I'm not familiar with this kind of things.... :?
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sounds like bad news to me
and bad news for the hoax
why are these bad news for us?
Maybe he said too much to keep Murray in the bad light...maybe he exaggerated with the words to charge, so the Jackson had to take the consequences and fired him....maybe it was Michael who decided to fire him, because he said things, which were not planned??
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This might be some chess game. Michael probably needs Alvarez and to find some reason why he suddenly quit job at Jackson family, they... 1. 8 months later report crap by Alvarez, then 2.he got fired.......
Becuase it does not make sense at all. ALVAREZ NOT AN IDIOT, HE WOULD HAVE EXCPECTED GET FIRED IF HE SUDDENLY "TELL THE TRUTH" or MAY BE EVEN KILLED or INJURED..... Did he want to get fired or be killed? Come on people, Who speaks the truth and contunues working at that family until gets fired?????? Lol, Lol, Lol :?: :?: :roll: :roll: :shock:
Or maybe Alvaraz has told the truth to be loyal to Michael... :?
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TMZ is crap!!!
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alverez must be a witness he saw the actions of cm and saw mj
quesion is for whom defence or the people?
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i like to refer to TMZ as ''The Michael Zone'' :lol:
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My thoughts now on this:
This firing of Alvarez has nothing to do with the Murray incident, but is connected to the Stun Gun incident... maybe Alvarez told the truth to the Childrens services and the Jacksons didnt like it??
Maybe ALvaraz was being loyal to Michael and protecting the children and now someone (Jermaine?) has got him out????
Why is Jafaar being paraded on TV by his father????? Thats never right in a million years!!!
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My thoughts now on this:
This firing of Alvarez has nothing to do with the Murray incident, but is connected to the Stun Gun incident... maybe Alvarez told the truth to the Childrens services and the Jacksons didnt like it??
Maybe ALvaraz was being loyal to Michael and protecting the children and now someone (Jermaine?) has got him out????
Why is Jafaar being paraded on TV by his father????? Thats never right in a million years!!!
Never thought of it that way....
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My thoughts now on this:
This firing of Alvarez has nothing to do with the Murray incident, but is connected to the Stun Gun incident... maybe Alvarez told the truth to the Childrens services and the Jacksons didnt like it??
Maybe ALvaraz was being loyal to Michael and protecting the children and now someone (Jermaine?) has got him out????
Why is Jafaar being paraded on TV by his father????? Thats never right in a million years!!!
i think your right, and plus they will be getting rid of all these names known to the media as they move on, and locking them down with regards to books and alike
do you know whats happened to grace? i think she will go if not gone
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Ive not heard anything about Grace... maybe that will be revealed in this TV show tonight with Jafaar and Jermaine?
Hopefully our friends in the USA will keep us updated. Im in the UK so cannot watch... 8-)
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Ive not heard anything about Grace... maybe that will be revealed in this TV show tonight with Jafaar and Jermaine?
Hopefully our friends in the USA will keep us updated. Im in the UK so cannot watch... 8-)
On access hollywood right? if so i'm recording it.
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Hey guys I just came across this. It's an article about how Alvarez was fired for his criminal past.
Here's the link
http://www.popeater.com/2010/03/30/alberto-alvarez-fired-michael-jackson-bodyguard/
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Hey guys I just came across this. It's an article about how Alvarez was fired for his criminal past.
Here's the link
http://www.popeater.com/2010/03/30/alberto-alvarez-fired-michael-jackson-bodyguard/
WOW :shock: :shock: :shock: Thanks.. im going to copy and paste it here:
The bodyguard who called 911 the day Michael Jackson died was fired late last week by the singer's family. Now, we know why. A close friend of the Jacksons tells PopEater exclusively that Alberto Alvarez was let go Friday after they discovered he had a criminal record and no longer felt he should be near the family's large brood of children.
Alvarez had worked at the Jackson family compound since the legendary singer's death last June, but recently "there was something off about him."
As the AP first reported, Alvarez told the LAPD two months after Jackson's death that Dr. Conrad Murray stopped CPR on the singer in order to hide vials of Propofol, the powerful sedative. He also claimed Murray instructed him to help pick fallen drug bottles off the floor before medics arrived. Immediately after Jackson's death, Alvarez said nothing of the sort to investigators.
Joe Jackson then confronted Alvarez about his changing story; he was preparing a wrongful death suit against Murray and wanted to know exactly what happened the day his son died. Jackson wanted to know if his initial story was an attempt to cover up crucial evidence to shield Murray.
Irked by his behavior, the family decided to look into Alvarez's background and what they allegedly found was disturbing.
"When he started changing his stories, the estate decided to check him out," the family friend tells us. "He not only had a DUI, there was a domestic violence dispute on his record. Someone had filed a domestic complaint against Alvarez, and he also had a DUI arrest."
Since Alvarez was hired by Michael Jackson and was there during the final moments of his life, the family did not think twice about his background and certainly "didn't know he had a criminal past."
However, they concluded that Alvarez was "not someone the Jackson family would have employed around the Jackson children. The estate had not other choice but to let Alberto Alvarez go."
Joe Jackson is in the process of suing Murray, whom he also believes waited too long to get his son to the hospital.
"I want justice for my son, that's all I want, justice," Jackson told PopEater after news of the lawsuit broke on Monday. "There's a hearing for Dr. Murray in April, and I will be going. Dr. Murray needs to talk, and tell everything he knows. All I want is justice for my son's death."
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Well now this is more rare, I do not think Michael entrusted with the supervision of their children to someone with a history of family violence, "Michael did not investigate Alberto ?,... Murray also has previous convictions for violence ,.... very rare. 8-)
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If that news are true, it seems an excuse to fire him.
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Yeah I don't know where TMZ got their information on this one! Honetly you are right
Just listen to how it sounds guys! Yeah Alberto (who has known and worked with MJ for years) walks in sees the tragedy in the bedroom and does exactly what Murray has told him to do. Hey! Alberto help me hide the drugs first , I can't let anyone see these drugs! And then we'll call 911 ok? I think he's already dead anyway, or he's about to die!" O h yeah :roll: I want to say bullshit. Because why in the hell would Alberto do this? And then wait two whole months before coming out and telling LAPD? Why? Was he threatened in some way?
I will say this, that I have always felt that Miko Brando , and Alberto Alvarez are two of MJ"s most trusted and loyal bodyguards. No, I don't know them personally but that is just what I feel.
Also note that it says the Jackson family isn't talking?
Remember guys things will come out this week they are already starting because the Murray court date is April 5th!
Totally!!!
I agree with this a million times over. He basically helped his best friends doctor cover up a big fat mistake, and that mistake killed MJ...........would any of YOU guys do this to a friend? HELL FRIGGIN NO.
I would be at the police station so damn fast...
Oh...excuse me Jacksonologist, can you help me cover up a boo boo and put those drugs in a bag for me? I dont want the police finding out I fucked up. And by the way, I think I killed your best friend."
NOT!
And why would Murray evena ask Alverez of all people to do this KNOWING he was close to MJ? WTFhell?
And note that it said this too: "Alvarez had been working at the Jackson family compound in Encino since the singer died last June." He had been working SINCE the singer died. How can this be? Michael is definitely out there alive and well! :)
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I really get the feeling that bits of ridiculous, horribly untrue, and inconsistent pieces of information are being fed to the media, who in turn, are feeding it to the public, who are soaking it up like a sponge. Sort of like what happened to MJ throughout much of his life. I almost feel that he is behind the stuff coming out, sitting back going, "Do you think they will really believe this one? Will they run with that one? Oh no, way too ridiculous....oh WTH, let's give it a whirl." Hee hee hee! :lol: On the other hand, I jst dunno. :?
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I really get the feeling that bits of ridiculous, horribly untrue, and inconsistent pieces of information are being fed to the media, who in turn, are feeding it to the public, who are soaking it up like a sponge. Sort of like what happened to MJ throughout much of his life. I almost feel that he is behind the stuff coming out, sitting back going, "Do you think they will really believe this one? Will they run with that one? Oh no, way too ridiculous....oh WTH, let's give it a whirl." Hee hee hee! :lol: On the other hand, I jst dunno. :?
the recent info about Alberto we haven't heard not one thing from The Jacksons about this, maybe there playing along with Michael 8-)
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
I had asked for a story "driving high speed without seat-belts (and caught by state police)"
and they come up with "domestic violence" and "DUI" arrest ("driving under the influence of alcohol, driving while intoxicated, after consumption of alcohol or drugs")...
Seems we are targetting the family moral subject again (as one of the topics of these twists) ... Let's stay clean ;-) but let's get rid of our double moral.
What taboo is still left and needs to be triggered?
We will see it on the table. No doubt. ;)
[...]Alberto Alvarez was let go Friday after they discovered he had a criminal record.[...]
"He not only had a DUI, there was a domestic violence dispute on his record. Someone had filed a domestic complaint against Alvarez, and he also had a DUI arrest."
Security tapes were said to be missing
Security breach (leakages of information at coroner, LAPD, UCLA whoever)
MJ giraffes found dead
Security incident reported at Encino (theft attempt, stun gun and related)
Security was said to be reduced at FL
Security was said to be reinforced at FL
Security measures were said to be taken around the grave
Security staff was said to have been fired (not the first time btw)
Whoever is inventing these twists:
I would suggest we get some story
- on the kids on a diving course losing a rope or some karate incident or
- some paparazzi caught by security staff on Encino ground or
- some driving high speed without seat-belts (and caught by state police) or
- some knife incident when eating mussels at Fisherman's wharf
Harvey, get some inspiration .... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Well now this is more rare, I do not think Michael entrusted with the supervision of their children to someone with a history of family violence, "Michael did not investigate Alberto ?,... Murray also has previous convictions for violence ,.... very rare. 8-)
i would have thought it would have been standard practice for security to be police checked. how was alvarez engaged was it one of those things on the nod, how was he introduced to mike?
why was mike surrounded by these inappropriately and unvetted pp? no one was looking out for his interests :(
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You may rest assured that Michael checked hist staff - and certainly not by police... LOL
Don't fall for the story itself - it is crap.
Take the subject of it and put it into the overall picture.
There is a pattern why this or that subject popps up in media.
It's like capturing wild horses or reindeer.
Some folks needs to be yelling, some others are planting the fences.
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Is this bull shit or what? Has anyone else found this story on Nancy Grace, CNN, Geraldo, Larry KIng *of all people! Dam I dont know what to say! Is it listed under the L A times? :?
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Ok well if I think quick there are at least 3 shaddy people who were part of Michael's staff and daily life, the 3 being CM, Alvarez and famous Dr. Tohme. Also Michael was apparently paranoid of people constantly watching him in mirrors in several public places like motel room mirrors, elevators.. And let's not forget there are tapes that were leaked of Michael's private phone conversations mentionning he feared for his life. I think I put enough here to give everyone a good idea of what was apparently going on.
So if that we're all true, OF COURSE Michael would hire any old staff without doing a background checkup or hire them anyway thinking they will not do anything to harm me surely!!! NOT!! :mrgreen: Oh and yes of course he would let the good old unlicensced doc put him under with a very powerful and dangerous anesthetic to help him forget about all those people he is worried want to kill him, and finally get some sleep. NOT!!! Again! :roll:
By saying this I am not claiming to know what Michael would or would not do. It is good old common sense that the average person would use and not let these things happen. IMO. :geek:
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I really get the feeling that bits of ridiculous, horribly untrue, and inconsistent pieces of information are being fed to the media, who in turn, are feeding it to the public, who are soaking it up like a sponge. Sort of like what happened to MJ throughout much of his life. I almost feel that he is behind the stuff coming out, sitting back going, "Do you think they will really believe this one? Will they run with that one? Oh no, way too ridiculous....oh WTH, let's give it a whirl." Hee hee hee! :lol: On the other hand, I jst dunno. :?
exactly! tables turned. that's what this is! :mrgreen:
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Is Dr Murrays Girlfriend Nicole Alvarez related to Alberto Alvarez??
Or just another example of using the same names.. :?: :?:
I wondered this too the other day, but don't recall getting a response. Because if they are related well then wow!
We still haven't worked this out yet? 8-)
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Ok well if I think quick there are at least 3 shaddy people who were part of Michael's staff and daily life, the 3 being CM, Alvarez and famous Dr. Tohme. Also Michael was apparently paranoid of people constantly watching him in mirrors in several public places like motel room mirrors, elevators.. And let's not forget there are tapes that were leaked of Michael's private phone conversations mentionning he feared for his life. I think I put enough here to give everyone a good idea of what was apparently going on.
So if that we're all true, OF COURSE Michael would hire any old staff without doing a background checkup or hire them anyway thinking they will not do anything to harm me surely!!! NOT!! :mrgreen: Oh and yes of course he would let the good old unlicensced doc put him under with a very powerful and dangerous anesthetic to help him forget about all those people he is worried want to kill him, and finally get some sleep. NOT!!! Again! :roll:
By saying this I am not claiming to know what Michael would or would not do. It is good old common sense that the average person would use and not let these things happen. IMO. :geek:
ah .... so jermaine is getting rid of his wife and her relative thome - interesting
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Ok well if I think quick there are at least 3 shaddy people who were part of Michael's staff and daily life, the 3 being CM, Alvarez and famous Dr. Tohme. Also Michael was apparently paranoid of people constantly watching him in mirrors in several public places like motel room mirrors, elevators.. And let's not forget there are tapes that were leaked of Michael's private phone conversations mentionning he feared for his life. I think I put enough here to give everyone a good idea of what was apparently going on.
So if that we're all true, OF COURSE Michael would hire any old staff without doing a background checkup or hire them anyway thinking they will not do anything to harm me surely!!! NOT!! :mrgreen: Oh and yes of course he would let the good old unlicensced doc put him under with a very powerful and dangerous anesthetic to help him forget about all those people he is worried want to kill him, and finally get some sleep. NOT!!! Again! :roll:
By saying this I am not claiming to know what Michael would or would not do. It is good old common sense that the average person would use and not let these things happen. IMO. :geek:
ah .... so jermaine is getting rid of his wife and her relative thome - interesting
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What do you mean?