Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: keyboardwizz on March 19, 2010, 10:00:16 PM
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While watching This is it tonight (had a nice evening with Mo) I (we) noticed the following:
For the sake of continuity of the live performance of Thriller there has to be a double in Tii, I'll explain why:
-No way someone can actualy leave the stage, change costume and get in a spider under 4 seconds.
It 's just the old disapear and reapear magic trick, wich is pulled of by using ......... doubles.
-In the part after he crawls out of the spider, he barely sings........ (so who is the puppetmaster now)
After the song Kenny says : " Make sure there is somebody waiting for Michael there with a flashlight and everything"
Well, you need a flashlight to get on stage, not to get off.(and I have personale experience).....
So what Kenny is saying, there has to be someone ready to help the "real" Michael Jackson on stage, probably in a new costume....... (that's what rehearsals are for)
Yes I know , on the DVD they sliced 2 rehearsals together, but my point is:
They never could pull of these costume changes, without the use of a double
Point clear??? ......... End of discusion.
NOWAY "IT WAS ALL MICHAEL" IN THIS IS IT
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Thanks for posting this keyboardwizz, and thanks for a lovely evening!
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I agree 100%. It's all part of the illusion. Those photos on another topic, show a stunt double in Smooth Criminal, and the other double is there to help the dancers rehearse when MJ wasn't able to be there. KO said that himself. But why show that on DVD???? Is it to arouse suspicion????? With love L.O.V.E xox :D :D :D ;) ;) ;)
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I don't think it was a big secret really. His own dad mentioned them....
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wasnt michael to open thriller coming out of the spider???
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great post keyboard wizz :mrgreen:
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I've always thought that this was definitely Michael (the attached photo) because not only does he look very similar to michael, he's really the only one without glasses, and in the main menu, they show stills from this is it, and they only show "this" michael.
But can someone explain to me why he used doubles? :?
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Yeah, the spider was supposed to be for the opening of Thriller (despite the fact the concerts were never going to take place.....so far), recall the video opening the song in This Is It. It ends with the big black widow spider emerging and approaching the camera (audience). I also realize that that wasn't how they did it in the video, but I don't have time to analyze that right now. I dunno, just thought i'd point that out.
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I've always thought that this was definitely Michael (the attached photo) because not only does he look very similar to michael, he's really the only one without glasses, and in the main menu, they show stills from this is it, and they only show "this" michael.
But can someone explain to me why he used doubles? :?
I'm thinking, either he was Busy planning the Hoax or he wanted to do more behind the camera work. he did state in his 2005 Geraldo interview ''i wanna do a film. something big, something large'' Idk about you guys but i think this is a double:(http://2fm.rte.ie/blogs/2fminbox/michael-jackson-this-is-it-rehearsal.jpg) he looks way different then the attached photo MJFan7 has :geek:
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I've always thought that this was definitely Michael (the attached photo) because not only does he look very similar to michael, he's really the only one without glasses, and in the main menu, they show stills from this is it, and they only show "this" michael.
But can someone explain to me why he used doubles? :?
I'm thinking, either he was Busy planning the Hoax or he wanted to do more behind the camera work. he did state in his 2005 Geraldo interview ''i wanna do a film. something big, something large'' Idk about you guys but i think this is a double:(http://2fm.rte.ie/blogs/2fminbox/michael-jackson-this-is-it-rehearsal.jpg) he looks way different then the attached photo MJFan7 has :geek:
I think it's def real Mike. Just a few of them in TII were doubles I think.
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I was thinking that it was him the entire movie but he did look different on some parts of the movie. So it could be possible. I know he used E Casanova in the Who is it? video. I notice when he is talking to Kenny O. and he says that's a cool move he had a deep cleft in his chin and his lips look really pink. Then on other parts the cleft didn't look as deep in his chin. I know one of the dancers said that he would show up for rehearsal sporadically. So apparently he missed some rehearsals. I also read that Kenny made sure to film him when ever he showed up so who knows? I know he was dancing very different in those orange leggings. I wonder who picked his outfits for that movie because some of them were kinda odd. He looked good on the part when he is talking to Michael Beardon at the keyboard and he's wearing all black. He had his hair down and it's all curly.
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Yeah, the spider was supposed to be for the opening of Thriller (despite the fact the concerts were never going to take place.....so far), recall the video opening the song in This Is It. It ends with the big black widow spider emerging and approaching the camera (audience). I also realize that that wasn't how they did it in the video, but I don't have time to analyze that right now. I dunno, just thought i'd point that out.
Exactly.
Plus the fact that that scene started on a different day, so you can't say at all that it fitted in with the order of the performance.
I.e. it is NOT definitive proof, at all.
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Of course it's not proof, nothing is. The man is not an idiot.
If there's proof then there will be no illusion anymore ;)
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Of course it's not proof, nothing is. The man is not an idiot.
If there's proof then there will be no illusion anymore ;)
Agreed. ;)
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cmon we know there are double
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My point for posting this was to prove that it was technically impossible,
I don't need no proof, but a lot of people should wake up and open their eyes
It 's all about finding out the truth
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Sorry, but I don´t understand what´s technically impossible.
We see the sprider in Cluver studios, fade to the spider emerging (white pants man pulling from into it), fade to MJ coming out of it... cut and edit in TII the movie.
We don´t know how they were doing it alive... I guess spider video plus dancers and lighting movement on stage...
Or I missunderstood what you mean.
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I've always thought that this was definitely Michael (the attached photo) because not only does he look very similar to michael, he's really the only one without glasses, and in the main menu, they show stills from this is it, and they only show "this" michael.
But can someone explain to me why he used doubles? :?
I just did......
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well yea we all know tha michael used doubles .... he used them to clear crazy fans away from hotels, he sent them in ambulances to hospitals to create a distraction and also for a bit of a joke, and he used a double in Dangerous tour, during thriller at the end, also in HIStory. TII DVD showed that during Dirty Diana, the bed would be "engulfed with flames" and tha michael would be on the bed with the aerialist, but the double was going to appear at that point so michael could get ready, and with the bed in "flames" nobody would know the wiser.
but what i dont get is that, i 100% believe its all michael in TII and it would take some seriously hard evidence to convince me otherwise, but why would he need to have a double at the rehersal if the only purpose was for Dirty Diana, which we have been told was never rehearsed. if he wanted to see what it would look like on stage, Travis would play michael.
Yes Orange pants, michael does look a bit off, but Remember Michael HATED to Tour.... he said this on the private home videos, so youd think michael being michael, knowing all the songs and steps, that he would get kinda peeved rehearsing stuff that he has been doing all his life :lol:
i acually forgot what i was going to say next so .... yeah :lol:
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he wanted to direct to needed doubles :)
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This doesn't prove doubles one bit. And in my honest opinion doubles were only used for stunts and for MJ to see what the show would look like from the seats. Everyone says red pants MJ was a double. Really? Would a double have known the the growl in The Way You Make Me Feel was off cued and get upset about it? I couldn't see that. And you know what, it's MJ's voice. People could say all day long that it wasn't him, it wasn't him....well it was. Get over it. Just because the whole spider thing and 4 seconds doesn't mean anything. The movie was bit and pieces glued together to make a movie. Sure they might have had straight through footage, but they had to make it look like they didn't. So in Thriller it was Michael coming out of the spider for sure. It wasn't like we saw him singing and dancing and then 4 seconds later he is coming out of a spider live. It's bits and pieces. Keep that in mind.
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but Remember Michael HATED to Tour.... he said this on the private home videos
O2 had NOTHING to do with touring! He would have had a house there, and do 2-3 gigs a week. The most annoying and exhausting thing about touring is the traveling, and getting adjusted to different time zones time after time. Since none of that would have happened during the O2 gigs, you should disregard that statement.
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Sorry, but I don´t understand what´s technically impossible.
We see the sprider in Cluver studios, fade to the spider emerging (white pants man pulling from into it), fade to MJ coming out of it... cut and edit in TII the movie.
We don´t know how they were doing it alive... I guess spider video plus dancers and lighting movement on stage...
Or I missunderstood what you mean.
If you looked closely enough, there was a man pushing the spider.
Then Michael came in from under it using the toaster.
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Sorry, but I don´t understand what´s technically impossible.
We see the sprider in Cluver studios, fade to the spider emerging (white pants man pulling from into it), fade to MJ coming out of it... cut and edit in TII the movie.
We don´t know how they were doing it alive... I guess spider video plus dancers and lighting movement on stage...
Or I missunderstood what you mean.
If you looked closely enough, there was a man pushing the spider.
Then Michael came in from under it using the toaster.
You're not getting the point. During a live performance there's simply not enough time for Mike to do the song, get off stage, crawl under the spider, get wheeled on stage again and crawl out. Watch that scene, it only takes 3-4 seconds.
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Myeah. :| I get it.
But I'm sure they used a sh**load of editing.
While the spider is crawling out, they lower him on the toaster, then when he's under the spider, they push him back up. That's what I thought I saw happen. But maybe you guys are right?
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but Remember Michael HATED to Tour.... he said this on the private home videos
O2 had NOTHING to do with touring! He would have had a house there, and do 2-3 gigs a week. The most annoying and exhausting thing about touring is the traveling, and getting adjusted to different time zones time after time. Since none of that would have happened during the O2 gigs, you should disregard that statement.
yea ok point taken.
but what still doesnt make any sense ( apart from the whole thing tbh) is that why would michael, being a perfectionist want to film This is it, using a double?? and try to pass this off as it being him on the stage??
im not bothered by the fact that he uses one so that he has enough time to change costume, its the fact that people think that he used a double for the majority of the rehersal, if it is, well god damn its a bloody perfect double :lol:
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I've always thought that this was definitely Michael (the attached photo) because not only does he look very similar to michael, he's really the only one without glasses, and in the main menu, they show stills from this is it, and they only show "this" michael.
But can someone explain to me why he used doubles? :?
I just did......
I understand your point, but it's a movie so couldn't they just turn the cameras off while he changed or cut out the part where he was back changing?
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I've always thought that this was definitely Michael (the attached photo) because not only does he look very similar to michael, he's really the only one without glasses, and in the main menu, they show stills from this is it, and they only show "this" michael.
But can someone explain to me why he used doubles? :?
I just did......
I understand your point, but it's a movie so couldn't they just turn the cameras off while he changed or cut out the part where he was back changing?
Honestly, I tend to believe that the ''small camera screen view'' with just Red 7 shirt and grey suit jacket is MJ and the ''FULL SCREEN'' view camera has the doubles in it.
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There is no doubt that he used them on stage for a little rest. But he never used them for his appearances! EVER!
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There is no doubt that he used them on stage for a little rest. But he never used them for his appearances! EVER!
Just open your, eyes it's all about ILLusion, All smoke and mirrors.
It's not about Michaelit's about US.
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I hope they are no doubles becaus if he used double then maybe he was really sick and couldn't be there for the rehearsal and maybe he died for real
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Nope still not buying the double story. And never will... :geek:
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Nope still not buying the double story. And never will... :geek:
me too :D
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We know Michael Jackson has used doubles and impersonators (and/or probably still uses them). Even his driver noted that during Dangerour tour MJ asked lookalikes to mislead paparazzi.
I just wanted to tell you that there's no need to re-invent a bike while there are plenty of other things to focus on.
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We know Michael Jackson has used doubles and impersonators (and/or probably still uses them). Even his driver noted that during Dangerour tour MJ asked lookalikes to mislead paparazzi.
I just wanted to tell you that there's no need to re-invent a bike while there are plenty of other things to focus on.
Agreed. There really shouldn't be no more double threads. If anyone isn't convinced of doubles now They just aren't.
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We know Michael Jackson has used doubles and impersonators (and/or probably still uses them). Even his driver noted that during Dangerour tour MJ asked lookalikes to mislead paparazzi.
I just wanted to tell you that there's no need to re-invent a bike while there are plenty of other things to focus on.
Agreed. There really shouldn't be no more double threads. If anyone isn't convinced of doubles now They just aren't.
Michael used doubles (and so do many other singers, actors, public figures) and it's a fact.
With twins (two MJ theory) it's another story. How could anyone buy that?
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We know Michael Jackson has used doubles and impersonators (and/or probably still uses them). Even his driver noted that during Dangerour tour MJ asked lookalikes to mislead paparazzi.
I just wanted to tell you that there's no need to re-invent a bike while there are plenty of other things to focus on.
Agreed. There really shouldn't be no more double threads. If anyone isn't convinced of doubles now They just aren't.
Michael used doubles (and so do many other singers, actors, public figures) and it's a fact.
With twins (two MJ theory) it's another story. How could anyone buy that?
yeah the twin theory :lol: :lol: :lol: but there were doubles in this is it and in his public appearances
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We know Michael Jackson has used doubles and impersonators (and/or probably still uses them). Even his driver noted that during Dangerour tour MJ asked lookalikes to mislead paparazzi.
I just wanted to tell you that there's no need to re-invent a bike while there are plenty of other things to focus on.
Agreed. There really shouldn't be no more double threads. If anyone isn't convinced of doubles now They just aren't.
Michael used doubles (and so do many other singers, actors, public figures) and it's a fact.
With twins (two MJ theory) it's another story. How could anyone buy that?
yeah the twin theory :lol: :lol: :lol: but there were doubles in this is it and in his public appearances
I'm not very sure about public appearances, but I believe impersonators might have been used in TII. I haven't seen it. Now matter how hopeful I am for MJ to be alive, it's still a bit too soon.
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Sorry, but I don´t understand what´s technically impossible.
We see the sprider in Cluver studios, fade to the spider emerging (white pants man pulling from into it), fade to MJ coming out of it... cut and edit in TII the movie.
We don´t know how they were doing it alive... I guess spider video plus dancers and lighting movement on stage...
Or I missunderstood what you mean.
If you looked closely enough, there was a man pushing the spider.
Then Michael came in from under it using the toaster.
You're not getting the point. During a live performance there's simply not enough time for Mike to do the song, get off stage, crawl under the spider, get wheeled on stage again and crawl out. Watch that scene, it only takes 3-4 seconds.
That's because Thriller would have opened with the Spider :roll:
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Thriller doesn't start with the spider, the 3D vid starts halfway the song during the Vincent Price part,
Do you actualy know the Thriller song? :roll:
Get your FACTS straight !!!
Always check your sources, there's already to much misinformation in this world.
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We all know Michael has used doubles before, not just off stage but onstage too. Dangerous tour - man with rocket on his back flies off stage. History tour - Thriller. Michael sinks down through stage up comes masked double. However, I do not see the point of using doubles if this was supposed to be a film as many claim except from Michael not being well enough to go through with it all on his own. Some claim Michael wasn't well and couldn't even perform one full song (heartbreaking indeed :( ), therefore the doubles. Proving there were doubles in TII might not be positive you know, but I do want the truth...
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We all know Michael has used doubles before, not just off stage but onstage too. Dangerous tour - man with rocket on his back flies off stage. History tour - Thriller. Michael sinks down through stage up comes masked double. However, I do not see the point of using doubles if this was supposed to be a film as many claim except from Michael not being well enough to go through with it all on his own. Some claim Michael wasn't well and couldn't even perform one full song (heartbreaking indeed :( ), therefore the doubles. Proving there were doubles in TII might not be positive you know, but I do want the truth...
Michael could of been behind the camera, he always said he wanted to MAKE films, or He could of been busy planning the HOAX and couldn't make it to some of the rehearsals ;)
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We all know Michael has used doubles before, not just off stage but onstage too. Dangerous tour - man with rocket on his back flies off stage. History tour - Thriller. Michael sinks down through stage up comes masked double. However, I do not see the point of using doubles if this was supposed to be a film as many claim except from Michael not being well enough to go through with it all on his own. Some claim Michael wasn't well and couldn't even perform one full song (heartbreaking indeed :( ), therefore the doubles. Proving there were doubles in TII might not be positive you know, but I do want the truth...
Michael could of been behind the camera, he always said he wanted to MAKE films, or He could of been busy planning the HOAX and couldn't make it to some of the rehearsals ;)
Yeah but he's a perfectionist. If he wanted to make film (I know he has said so but not sure if TII was what he had in mind) wouldn't he have wanted it to be perfect? What do you think about people and fans saying that he didn't look well? These fans that say he spoke to them about his concerns are making me confused :? .
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he couldnt direct if he was in front of the camera could he :lol:
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Thriller doesn't start with the spider, the 3D vid starts halfway the song during the Vincent Price part,
Do you actualy know the Thriller song? :roll:
Get your FACTS straight !!!
Always check your sources, there's already to much misinformation in this world.
They'd mixed it up. Instead of ending with Vincent's voiceover, they started with it - and ended abruptly with Threatened.
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I've always thought that this was definitely Michael (the attached photo) because not only does he look very similar to michael, he's really the only one without glasses, and in the main menu, they show stills from this is it, and they only show "this" michael.
But can someone explain to me why he used doubles? :?
I just did......
I understand your point, but it's a movie so couldn't they just turn the cameras off while he changed or cut out the part where he was back changing?
If he had to disappear earlier than planned, in order to finish the film they would have to use a double.
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Thriller doesn't start with the spider, the 3D vid starts halfway the song during the Vincent Price part,
Do you actualy know the Thriller song? :roll:
Get your FACTS straight !!!
Always check your sources, there's already to much misinformation in this world.
They'd mixed it up. Instead of ending with Vincent's voiceover, they started with it - and ended abruptly with Threatened.
Exactly, at first you see the dancers in the 'movie' during Vincent's part. And after it Michael appears with the spider.
So I think they mixed it up for the tour, it makes no sense to do the song first, and to show the movie with the Vincent part after it.