Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Persons Of Interest => Everyone Else => Michael's Impersonators => Topic started by: GirlSaturday on March 13, 2010, 07:54:15 AM
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These doubles have gotten me to thinking more and more about their relationship with MJ. He selected particular ones and did so with a huge element of trust. Consider this...they went out and interacted with MJs fans as MJ. MJ couldn't have a double being seen drunk in public or saying rude things to his fans, right? These doubles had to be carefully chosen and instucted on their "do's and don'ts".
I would love to know when the doubles were selected to go out as MJ and under what circumstances. Did they get the request when MJ was not feeling well, had a conflict in schedule or just didn't feel in the mood to interact with the public that day. That may be difficult …not impossible ...but difficult to uncover. MJ reportedly required many employees to sign confidentiality agreements. The doubles most likely had to do this as well considering the sensitive nature of their work.
These doubles interacted with MJ a lot and several have befriended him, hung out with him and were invited to his home. By becoming his friend, what are the chances that he shared some inner thoughts with these guys? I am not suggesting that he called them up to announce the hoax. But I am now wondering if they know more about the hoax than we do. This may be from past conversations with him of what he may have been interested in doing. This may also be as a result of them having a greater insight into the man and how he thinks. You don’t spend that amount of one-on-one time with someone without getting to know them just a bit better than outsiders.
Some forum members have personally met the doubles or have friends who have met them. Man oh man I would love to talk to one of the doubles and just try and pick his brains. I have a gut feeling that the doubles know more about the hoax and MJ than people think that they do. Your thoughts?
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These doubles have gotten me to thinking more and more about their relationship with MJ. He selected particular ones and did so with a huge element of trust.
By putting it like this, you assume that all doubles were selected by Mike. I have doubts about that, especially since I see more than one MJ way back already...
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The selection of doubles by others. I had not thought about that possibility. MJ seems so meticulous when it comes to his appearance and stage performances. I based my belief that he selected the doubles on that. If a double was selected by others they wouldn't have MJs keen eye for some details. I suppose that would explain why over the years, some doubles were dead ringers while others seemed a bit off at times.
The prospect of others selecting the doubles now really takes me back to this question..."I would love to know when the doubles were selected to go out as MJ and under what circumstances?" What were the real circumstances? Were they selected because MJ had a simple conflict in schedule or were they ever needed at times to conceal something?
Doubles continue to successfully work their little tribute shows. However, they might have an interest in whether he is alive since they were often employed to act as his stand-in. Wouldn't it be funny if it is revealed that one or more of them has followed the hoax out of their own curiosity?
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The selection of doubles by others. I had not thought about that possibility. MJ seems so meticulous when it comes to his appearance and stage performances. I based my belief that he selected the doubles on that. If a double was selected by others they wouldn't have MJs keen eye for some details. I suppose that would explain why over the years, some doubles were dead ringers while others seemed a bit off at times.
The prospect of others selecting the doubles now really takes me back to this question..."I would love to know when the doubles were selected to go out as MJ and under what circumstances?" What were the real circumstances? Were they selected because MJ had a simple conflict in schedule or were they ever needed at times to conceal something?
Doubles continue to successfully work their little tribute shows. However, they might have an interest in whether he is alive since they were often employed to act as his stand-in. Wouldn't it be funny if it is revealed that one or more of them has followed the hoax out of their own curiosity?
I think there are 2 kinds of doubles. The ones hand picked by Mike to stand in when he was busy/ill or whatever, and the ones picked by people that wanted to take him down. For example to let the double sign stuff on behalf of Mike of which they knew he would never sign it himself.
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Since I see doubles as far back as prior to the Bad era, I tend to believe that those were not picked by Mike himself. Breaking free started with Dangerous, so the ones who controlled him must have had a hand in picking the doubles before he broke free.
After he broke free I think he picked most of the doubles himself, but some still could have been picked by the controllers to act on Mike's behalf. By letting them perform actions that would discredit or hurt Mike in whatever way, they could still try to bring him down.
As for those who were picked by Mike - I don't think that sending them out because he had a conflict in schedule or just didn't feel in the mood to interact with the public that day is the main reason for having doubles. I think it had more to do with security, illness and distraction. Distraction as in distracting those who were still after him, trying to harm him.
I wouldn't be surprised if any of the doubles is following the hoax. If that's the case, then the question I have is: do all of them have good intentions..? What if let's say one is an active participant in this hoax, trying to distract believers from finding the truth? How can we be sure that all the doubles are on Mike's side?
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I wouldn't be surprised if any of the doubles is following the hoax. If that's the case, then the question I have is: do all of them have good intentions..? What if let's say one is an active participant in this hoax, trying to distract believers from finding the truth? How can we be sure that all the doubles are on Mike's side?
Exactly
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"the ones picked by people that wanted to take him down"
Sadly, that makes me think about more than just the signing of legal documents.
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On the old mjkit there was a very thought-provoking thread that discussed good people vs bad people. The person who posted the thread brought up some excellent points about how bad people may be monitoring the hoax forums and following what is uncovered. To sum it up, it was suggested that our progress is also their progress. Sadly, all eyes that view these posts aren't working on MJs side.
Since I see doubles as far back as prior to the Bad era, I tend to believe that those were not picked by Mike himself. Breaking free started with Dangerous, so the ones who controlled him must have had a hand in picking the doubles before he broke free.
After he broke free I think he picked most of the doubles himself, but some still could have been picked by the controllers to act on Mike's behalf. By letting them perform actions that would discredit or hurt Mike in whatever way, they could still try to bring him down.
As for those who were picked by Mike - I don't think that sending them out because he had a conflict in schedule or just didn't feel in the mood to interact with the public that day is the main reason for having doubles. I think it had more to do with security, illness and distraction. Distraction as in distracting those who were still after him, trying to harm him.
I wouldn't be surprised if any of the doubles is following the hoax. If that's the case, then the question I have is: do all of them have good intentions..? What if let's say one is an active participant in this hoax, trying to distract believers from finding the truth? How can we be sure that all the doubles are on Mike's side?
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mo and souza - it seems your in the know and in the industry, do you know of any current famous music stars that have doubles and can you provide pics - please - thank you.
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"the ones picked by people that wanted to take him down"
Sadly, that makes me think about more than just the signing of legal documents.
I know exactly what you mean...
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mo and souza - it seems your in the know and in the industry, do you know of any current famous music stars that have doubles and can you provide pics - please - thank you.
We are not in the know and not in the industry, I can't help you with your question.
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so is it mo thats in the industry then?
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so is it mo thats in the industry then?
The Dutch music business, so like I said, we can't help you.
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On the old mjkit there was a very thought-provoking thread that discussed good people vs bad people. The person who posted the thread brought up some excellent points about how bad people may be monitoring the hoax forums and following what is uncovered. To sum it up, it was suggested that our progress is also their progress. Sadly, all eyes that view these posts aren't working on MJs side.
Exactly. Just look at the threats we received after posting our "Mike, victim of Illuminati and Mind Control?" blog. Even while we were still researching these subjects posters and chatters popped up trying to disrupt things. This blog caused a huge division between believers, and still to this day Bad Plants appear to stir things up and cause an even bigger division.
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so is it mo thats in the industry then?
The Dutch music business, so like I said, we can't help you.
but with respect you seem to speak with authority - even if its the dutch music business - are doubles used and can you show examples or are you like us speaking hypothetically and based on assumption?
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so is it mo thats in the industry then?
The Dutch music business, so like I said, we can't help you.
but with respect you seem to speak with authority - even if its the dutch music business - are doubles used and can you show examples or are you like us speaking hypothetically and based on assumption?
This is about MJ, not about other musicians, and defifitely not the Dutch music industry.
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dont know why you have taken that attitude ?
really i dont
you make comments i just asked a simple question and you get all defensive - it was linked and to do with the comments made on this thread - but it okay if you dont or cant answer.
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what I wonder is if he wasnt the one in charge of choosing doubles in this is it, he met with earnest valentino and Navi b4 he "passed", they said they were suposed to be in this is it. what I want to know is if he told them he wanted them to be in the concerts that's why I want you to reherse or if they know what really happened.
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Makes me wonder about Michael's changing appearance.
Obviously, the vitiligo he had no control over.
But he may have had more control over the plastic surgeries, wigs, make-up, etc.
Is it possible that he changed his appearance so much to f*ck with the people who were choosing his doubles for their own reasons?
Meaning, they can't replace him with someone else if he looked different this week than he did last week. So the usual doubles they used would either have to change via make-up and/or plastic surger, or be replaced all together.
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Is it possible that he changed his appearance so much to f*ck with the people who were choosing his doubles for their own reasons?
Interesting point and something to consider. The doubles must have cringed when they realized that the the look that they finally perfected had changed...again. :lol:
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In my opinion Mike didn't change that much. Next to that, one can't looked different time after time again by going back and forth undergoing plastic surgery. I think it's more likely that people think he had so much plastic surgery due to the use of doubles, who made 'him' look different appearance after appearance.
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In my opinion Mike didn't change that much. Next to that, one can't looked different time after time again by going back and forth undergoing plastic surgery. I think it's more likely that people think he had so much plastic surgery due to the use of doubles, who made 'him' look different appearance after appearance.
Interesting post!Makes sense.
I sometimes get so confused about it,you know,what the real Michael actually looks like.Before TII, he's been out of the spotlight for awhile and we saw lots of pictures with sun glasses and masks...For example,yesterday I was looking at that famous picture in the wheel chair and was thinking: How could I know that is really Michael???
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Good point. Suppose there were 5 doubles hired during the course of any random 5 years and sent out to represent MJ. Someone could easily look at the slight differences among those 5 doubles and make the plastic surgery assumption.
Offtopic: Does anyone think that another Jackson family member enlisted doubles for her appearances?
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Offtopic: Does anyone think that another Jackson family member enlisted doubles for her appearances?
Oh no, I'm not going there, one at the time please! :shock:
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Gotcha! You guys should know me by now, I like to explore the possibilities... :lol:
Offtopic: Does anyone think that another Jackson family member enlisted doubles for her appearances?
Oh no, I'm not going there, one at the time please! :shock:
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Gotcha! You guys should know me by now, I like to explore the possibilities... :lol:
Oh we do too, no doubt about it! If only a day had more than 24 hours... But we gotto get a liddle sleep every now and then, ya know? :lol:
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well if one does the other must - surely?
but the brothers i think not
they are their best disguises - its only because of the hoax that i know their names apart from jermaine
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"the ones picked by people that wanted to take him down"
Sadly, that makes me think about more than just the signing of legal documents.
I know exactly what you mean...
Could you guys elaborate, I'm feeling slow today..
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I'll speak for myself and how my thoughts flow. This practice of hiring "bad" doubles by others could have also taken place in order to transfer money to mystery accounts, sign wills, sign over assets/property/business holdings and show "MJ" in compromising situations.
"the ones picked by people that wanted to take him down"
Sadly, that makes me think about more than just the signing of legal documents.
I know exactly what you mean...
Could you guys elaborate, I'm feeling slow today..
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I'll speak for myself and how my thoughts flow. This practice of hiring "bad" doubles by others could have also taken place in order to transfer money to mystery accounts, sign wills, sign over assets/property/business holdings and show "MJ" in compromising situations.
"the ones picked by people that wanted to take him down"
Sadly, that makes me think about more than just the signing of legal documents.
I know exactly what you mean...
Could you guys elaborate, I'm feeling slow today..
B*tches and m***erf-ers... You mean like situations on TV?
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Breathe and relax...potty mouth. :lol:
"Compromising situations" was left open for individual interpretation for a reason. It's not a subject that many people want to consider so I chose not to go there. You asked so here goes... bad doubles may have been set in place to give some people the impression that MJ drank alcohol out of soda cans to the point of intoxication, did heavy and constant Rx drugs, spent money on frivilous crap and... behaved inappropriately with children. People who have vendettas and want to bring someone down often aim for vulnerable weak spots. MJs weak spots are his image and his love for children.
I'll speak for myself and how my thoughts flow. This practice of hiring "bad" doubles by others could have also taken place in order to transfer money to mystery accounts, sign wills, sign over assets/property/business holdings and show "MJ" in compromising situations.
"the ones picked by people that wanted to take him down"
Sadly, that makes me think about more than just the signing of legal documents.
I know exactly what you mean...
Could you guys elaborate, I'm feeling slow today..
B*tches and m***erf-ers... You mean like situations on TV?
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Breathe and relax...potty mouth. :lol:
"Compromising situations" was left open for individual interpretation for a reason. It's not a subject that many people want to consider so I chose not to go there. You asked so here goes... bad doubles may have been set in place to give some people the impression that MJ drank alcohol out of soda cans to the point of intoxication, did heavy and constant Rx drugs, spent money on frivilous crap and... behaved inappropriately with children. People who have vendettas and want to bring someone down often aim for vulnerable weak spots. MJs weak spots are his image and his love for children.
I'll speak for myself and how my thoughts flow. This practice of hiring "bad" doubles by others could have also taken place in order to transfer money to mystery accounts, sign wills, sign over assets/property/business holdings and show "MJ" in compromising situations.
I just love to trash evil peeps and bring down their composure, that's all.. ^_'
I totally get you, I was just in another thread talking about that "debt" crap.. it's all so frustrating, it works up my temper..
"the ones picked by people that wanted to take him down"
Sadly, that makes me think about more than just the signing of legal documents.
I know exactly what you mean...
Could you guys elaborate, I'm feeling slow today..
B*tches and m***erf-ers... You mean like situations on TV?
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Breathe and relax...potty mouth. :lol:
"Compromising situations" was left open for individual interpretation for a reason. It's not a subject that many people want to consider so I chose not to go there. You asked so here goes... bad doubles may have been set in place to give some people the impression that MJ drank alcohol out of soda cans to the point of intoxication, did heavy and constant Rx drugs, spent money on frivilous crap and... behaved inappropriately with children. People who have vendettas and want to bring someone down often aim for vulnerable weak spots. MJs weak spots are his image and his love for children.
I'll speak for myself and how my thoughts flow. This practice of hiring "bad" doubles by others could have also taken place in order to transfer money to mystery accounts, sign wills, sign over assets/property/business holdings and show "MJ" in compromising situations.
"the ones picked by people that wanted to take him down"
Sadly, that makes me think about more than just the signing of legal documents.
I know exactly what you mean...
Could you guys elaborate, I'm feeling slow today..
B*tches and m***erf-ers... You mean like situations on TV?
GirlSaturday, you took the words right out of my mouth...
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"Compromising situations" was left open for individual interpretation for a reason. It's not a subject that many people want to consider so I chose not to go there. You asked so here goes... bad doubles may have been set in place to give some people the impression that MJ drank alcohol out of soda cans to the point of intoxication, did heavy and constant Rx drugs, spent money on frivilous crap and... behaved inappropriately with children. People who have vendettas and want to bring someone down often aim for vulnerable weak spots. MJs weak spots are his image and his love for children.
Exactly GirlSaturday. That is what I meant by:
"After he broke free I think he picked most of the doubles himself, but some still could have been picked by the controllers to act on Mike's behalf. By letting them perform actions that would discredit or hurt Mike in whatever way, they could still try to bring him down."
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Some doubles for your entertainment :D :(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6134/wearetheworld.jpg)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD9UxqDjp5g (B,C)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8dfwQEWDvI (A,D)
and...BAD: (http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7802/bada.jpg) 1:53 comes the other
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbd0wxGH_Lw&feature=fvw
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All VIPs has double(s), everybody knows that. In my opinion, not all the doubles we saw were Michael's choices; most of them are just amateurs, fans who tries to catch the public attention. But it's almost sure Michael had one or more very good double(s) who was/were with him all the way , even in the hoax, and one of those could be Navi. They could be more,it's not necessary to know them all.