Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: 2good2btrue on March 02, 2010, 03:53:48 AM

Title: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: 2good2btrue on March 02, 2010, 03:53:48 AM
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/5065141 (http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/5065141)


YOU HAVE TO WATCH IT TO THE END.  COMMENTS PLEASE.
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: essenceofebony0to9 on March 02, 2010, 05:21:13 AM
MJ needs justice in an unjust society.
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: topsecretgirl on March 02, 2010, 05:31:28 AM
Sigh, this makes me think he really is murdered. Makes me soooo sad  :cry:  
Surely he would tell his father if he's hoaxing his death, don't you think?
Can you please post again here if Joe comes to that show.
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: 2good2btrue on March 02, 2010, 05:40:49 AM
So does Brian Oxman know the truth, or is he just covering up the hoax??  He sounds so convinced that MJ is passed, and wants to do all he can to take Murray down, and fight for justice for the family and MJ.  He also suggests alot of foul play with the legal system.  Is he in on the hoax or not?  I'm confused.  I found this when researching Patrick Allocco from "All good Entertainment". This was on his Facebook page.
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: raphaelleanique on March 02, 2010, 05:43:13 AM
Hey wow, that is a great find! I got through it only once and definately dont remember all of the details, but a few things realy stood out. At 2.29 Twitty introduces herself, being from MJ Hoax live (??). Now, what is that? At the end the co-producer sings I´ll be there ,in a very passionate way.Like it being some kind of a message.
I am going to listen once more, but to me it all seems like a confirmation of a thread against MJ and fighting for justice for everything that went wrong in the past . As if it is a big chance right now to set several records straight. Whether he really died or not does not seem the point yet..
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: raphaelleanique on March 02, 2010, 05:52:33 AM
Quote from: "2good2btrue"
So does Brian Oxman know the truth, or is he just covering up the hoax??  He sounds so convinced that MJ is passed, and wants to do all he can to take Murray down, and fight for justice for the family and MJ.  He also suggests alot of foul play with the legal system.  Is he in on the hoax or not?  I'm confused.  I found this when researching Patrick Allocco from "All good Entertainment". This was on his Facebook page.


Yeah, this surely is confusing.And it does not really show evidence that he is alive.
But all together, if you see the bigger picture and the sum of everything we experienced during the past 8 months, things make sense. If it is a hoax, it is one with severe reasons and also big chances to get justice in general. And then it is understandable that things need to be revealed this way.
I guess we will have to go through this, time will tell and thank God we are not alone!
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: topsecretgirl on March 02, 2010, 06:14:33 AM
Maybe off topic but I was just watching this about Dick Gregory and wasn't it also said MJ suffered from dehydration in the beginning after he 'died'?
This I think is from 2005:

[youtube:30ag6uws]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HluEtIMI0VY&feature=player_embedded#[/youtube:30ag6uws]
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: CrazyBanana on March 02, 2010, 08:57:34 AM
double post

Ill share what I wrote on the other one
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enjoyed that very much... when the guy said get pop corn LOL I stopped the video and made popcorn!! anyway the part of the show about the frats upset me...what they did was gross!!! it 2010 ppl!!! I know off topic...
anyway Oxman is a lawyer...and a pretty good one sooo yeah he could lie.. lol I dont mean to disrespect him, but If anyone could keep their mouth shut during all of this its him...

viewtopic.php?f=59&t=6433 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=6433)
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: mjjveritas on March 02, 2010, 09:36:38 AM
2good2btrue, Thanks for the video. I just don't know whether Brian Oxman is in on it or not. Sometimes when I see him interviewed, his eyes look to be smiling but his words indicate something else. Perhaps it is just how he looks? Off topic, Eddie Jones needs to keep up with modern history, as Yugoslavia hasn't existed in that state for a few years now. One last point, I enjoy hearing MJ's music but when people are talking in interviews I want to concentrate fully on what they are saying. I find it distracting trying to filter out the too loud "background" music. Sometimes the music wins and I don't hear the talk.
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: deepu priyanka on March 02, 2010, 11:43:40 AM
Quote from: "2good2btrue"
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/5065141


YOU HAVE TO WATCH IT TO THE END.  COMMENTS PLEASE.
i think joe is out of this hoax thing. may be because of broken  n sour  relationship between son n father  ..
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: kelly wright on March 02, 2010, 11:45:18 AM
what is so confusing ? The LAPD is corrupt ,they conspired with Tom Sneddon and the media ,that is owned and controlled by the elite . The FbI is corrupt ,they knew all along they did not have ANYTHING on MJ yet they allowed the trial to proceed .The Media mogols paid off Tom Sneddon .Why else would he try a case that he knew he could'nt win & he knew from the FBI evidence because he requested their help ! They had nothing ! The trial proceeded because of the MONEY involved with the media circus ,can you even fathom the amount of money generated from the trial / media circus . If you check carefully you will see, that the same folks that own Sony are all the same folks that are are in control of the media ,and the LAPD is clearly NOT doing a thorough investigation ,so clearly, they are covering something up there are potential witnesses that have not even been investigated ! How the hell is John Branca in entire control over MJ's estate ? His family has no say so in anything at all now . How could that be ,when Mj fired him ? Where is the proof that MJ hired him back ? Let's see it !{ Are the courts corrupt as well?} MJ Fired John Branca because he caught him and Tommy Matolla funneling his money to offshore accounts and Branca was trying to represent Sony & MJ's Sony /ATV at the same time which is a conflict of interest . He also {mj} felt that Al Malnick was in cahoots with Tommy Matolla who was in cahoots with the mafia and Brett Ratner was also in cahoots with Malnick trying to steal MJ's catalog .They wanted to destroy MJ's ability to make money so he would be forced to sell his Sony / Atv and the catalog + the rights to his own music .If MJ had completed those concerts he would be alive to be in control of his rights to Sony/ATV/& His music And be in a position of being the most powerful person in the music industry . This could NOT be allowed to happen Sony / Aeg / Lapd / FBI / Media are all in on this conspiracy .Do we realize that MJ's Sony /ATV catalog includes Lady Ga GA ,Taylor Swift ECT  not to mention part of Elvis & the Beatles We are talking about an unGOdly amount of Money & POwer . Of course  there is a conspiracy to try and wrestle that catalog out of MJ's hands .MJ said so himself ,over & over again .And now by some weird twist of fate Branca winds up in control of MJ's Everything ? The Same Lawyer that was working For Sony ? And I looked At Branca website ,He takes the credit for MJ Success ,look for your self .I thought someone told MJ {Paul M.} that the catalog was up for sale & MJ INSTRUCTED his Att. John B. To purchase it .But that is not the story on John Branca's website , he maintains it was all his idea and if it wern't for him MJ would have nothing ! Sounds like Mr. Branca may have some jealousy issues to me . IDK . But his story on his website is inconsistent with what Mj says and he mentions nothing about MJ firing him anywhere on his site and I looked at everything on it .According to him he resigned .Somebody is telling a big fat lie . Also I looked up on Wiki The Dr that signed MJ's death cert. He works for the Dept of health &has ties to homeland security and works for UCLA . Why did this Dr. Sign Mj's death cert ? I thought it was weird that this Dr John Feilding "led efforts to deal with bioterrorism &pandemic flu " why did this person sign Mj Death cert . John Branca has ties to UCLA too {it is on his website } Coincidental ????
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: Venus on March 02, 2010, 02:54:53 PM
Quote from: "2good2btrue"
So does Brian Oxman know the truth, or is he just covering up the hoax??  He sounds so convinced that MJ is passed, and wants to do all he can to take Murray down, and fight for justice for the family and MJ.  He also suggests alot of foul play with the legal system.  Is he in on the hoax or not?  I'm confused.  I found this when researching Patrick Allocco from "All good Entertainment". This was on his Facebook page.

How can a lawer cover a hoax? I dont know anything any more.
I think that adult respectable lawer wont lie about death of the biggest celebrity in the world.
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: Venus on March 02, 2010, 03:02:04 PM
Quote from: "raphaelleanique"
Hey wow, that is a great find! I got through it only once and definately dont remember all of the details, but a few things realy stood out. At 2.29 Twitty introduces herself, being from MJ Hoax live (??). Now, what is that? At the end the co-producer sings I´ll be there ,in a very passionate way.Like it being some kind of a message.
I am going to listen once more, but to me it all seems like a confirmation of a thread against MJ and fighting for justice for everything that went wrong in the past . As if it is a big chance right now to set several records straight. Whether he really died or not does not seem the point yet..

I don't think I'll be there was Mj message.
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: Venus on March 02, 2010, 03:11:48 PM
Quote from: "kelly wright"
what is so confusing ? The LAPD is corrupt ,they conspired with Tom Sneddon and the media ,that is owned and controlled by the elite . The FbI is corrupt ,they knew all along they did not have ANYTHING on MJ yet they allowed the trial to proceed .The Media mogols paid off Tom Sneddon .Why else would he try a case that he knew he could'nt win & he knew from the FBI evidence because he requested their help ! They had nothing ! The trial proceeded because of the MONEY involved with the media circus ,can you even fathom the amount of money generated from the trial / media circus . If you check carefully you will see, that the same folks that own Sony are all the same folks that are are in control of the media ,and the LAPD is clearly NOT doing a thorough investigation ,so clearly, they are covering something up there are potential witnesses that have not even been investigated ! How the hell is John Branca in entire control over MJ's estate ? His family has no say so in anything at all now . How could that be ,when Mj fired him ? Where is the proof that MJ hired him back ? Let's see it !{ Are the courts corrupt as well?} MJ Fired John Branca because he caught him and Tommy Matolla funneling his money to offshore accounts and Branca was trying to represent Sony & MJ's Sony /ATV at the same time which is a conflict of interest . He also {mj} felt that Al Malnick was in cahoots with Tommy Matolla who was in cahoots with the mafia and Brett Ratner was also in cahoots with Malnick trying to steal MJ's catalog .They wanted to destroy MJ's ability to make money so he would be forced to sell his Sony / Atv and the catalog + the rights to his own music .If MJ had completed those concerts he would be alive to be in control of his rights to Sony/ATV/& His music And be in a position of being the most powerful person in the music industry . This could NOT be allowed to happen Sony / Aeg / Lapd / FBI / Media are all in on this conspiracy .Do we realize that MJ's Sony /ATV catalog includes Lady Ga GA ,Taylor Swift ECT  not to mention part of Elvis & the Beatles We are talking about an unGOdly amount of Money & POwer . Of course  there is a conspiracy to try and wrestle that catalog out of MJ's hands .MJ said so himself ,over & over again .And now by some weird twist of fate Branca winds up in control of MJ's Everything ? The Same Lawyer that was working For Sony ? And I looked At Branca website ,He takes the credit for MJ Success ,look for your self .I thought someone told MJ {Paul M.} that the catalog was up for sale & MJ INSTRUCTED his Att. John B. To purchase it .But that is not the story on John Branca's website , he maintains it was all his idea and if it wern't for him MJ would have nothing ! Sounds like Mr. Branca may have some jealousy issues to me . IDK . But his story on his website is inconsistent with what Mj says and he mentions nothing about MJ firing him anywhere on his site and I looked at everything on it .According to him he resigned .Somebody is telling a big fat lie . Also I looked up on Wiki The Dr that signed MJ's death cert. He works for the Dept of health &has ties to homeland security and works for UCLA . Why did this Dr. Sign Mj's death cert ? I thought it was weird that this Dr John Feilding "led efforts to deal with bioterrorism &pandemic flu " why did this person sign Mj Death cert . John Branca has ties to UCLA too {it is on his website } Coincidental ????

What you say is abrolutely convincing, but wait a minute...
Do you believe MJ passed? :?
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: raphaelleanique on March 02, 2010, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: "kelly wright"
what is so confusing ? The LAPD is corrupt ,they conspired with Tom Sneddon and the media ,that is owned and controlled by the elite . The FbI is corrupt ,they knew all along they did not have ANYTHING on MJ yet they allowed the trial to proceed .The Media mogols paid off Tom Sneddon .Why else would he try a case that he knew he could'nt win & he knew from the FBI evidence because he requested their help ! They had nothing ! The trial proceeded because of the MONEY involved with the media circus ,can you even fathom the amount of money generated from the trial / media circus . If you check carefully you will see, that the same folks that own Sony are all the same folks that are are in control of the media ,and the LAPD is clearly NOT doing a thorough investigation ,so clearly, they are covering something up there are potential witnesses that have not even been investigated ! How the hell is John Branca in entire control over MJ's estate ? His family has no say so in anything at all now . How could that be ,when Mj fired him ? Where is the proof that MJ hired him back ? Let's see it !{ Are the courts corrupt as well?} MJ Fired John Branca because he caught him and Tommy Matolla funneling his money to offshore accounts and Branca was trying to represent Sony & MJ's Sony /ATV at the same time which is a conflict of interest . He also {mj} felt that Al Malnick was in cahoots with Tommy Matolla who was in cahoots with the mafia and Brett Ratner was also in cahoots with Malnick trying to steal MJ's catalog .They wanted to destroy MJ's ability to make money so he would be forced to sell his Sony / Atv and the catalog + the rights to his own music .If MJ had completed those concerts he would be alive to be in control of his rights to Sony/ATV/& His music And be in a position of being the most powerful person in the music industry . This could NOT be allowed to happen Sony / Aeg / Lapd / FBI / Media are all in on this conspiracy .Do we realize that MJ's Sony /ATV catalog includes Lady Ga GA ,Taylor Swift ECT  not to mention part of Elvis & the Beatles We are talking about an unGOdly amount of Money & POwer . Of course  there is a conspiracy to try and wrestle that catalog out of MJ's hands .MJ said so himself ,over & over again .And now by some weird twist of fate Branca winds up in control of MJ's Everything ? The Same Lawyer that was working For Sony ? And I looked At Branca website ,He takes the credit for MJ Success ,look for your self .I thought someone told MJ {Paul M.} that the catalog was up for sale & MJ INSTRUCTED his Att. John B. To purchase it .But that is not the story on John Branca's website , he maintains it was all his idea and if it wern't for him MJ would have nothing ! Sounds like Mr. Branca may have some jealousy issues to me . IDK . But his story on his website is inconsistent with what Mj says and he mentions nothing about MJ firing him anywhere on his site and I looked at everything on it .According to him he resigned .Somebody is telling a big fat lie . Also I looked up on Wiki The Dr that signed MJ's death cert. He works for the Dept of health &has ties to homeland security and works for UCLA . Why did this Dr. Sign Mj's death cert ? I thought it was weird that this Dr John Feilding "led efforts to deal with bioterrorism &pandemic flu " why did this person sign Mj Death cert . John Branca has ties to UCLA too {it is on his website } Coincidental ????

So, are you actually saying that people DID succeed in their conspiracy to gain over MJs succes? And that they did succeed in their effort to get Michael away? Or do you still keep an option open on the possibility that MJ knew this in time and could escape?
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: Infinitylady on March 02, 2010, 04:00:33 PM
Wow....as my friend says...this is heavy.
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: Infinitylady on March 02, 2010, 04:01:24 PM
2good,

I posted this link somewhere else. I didn't know you had already posted it. Gosh, you all fast. LOL!
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: Good Lets Dance on March 02, 2010, 04:35:49 PM
Quote from: "kelly wright"
what is so confusing ? The LAPD is corrupt ,they conspired with Tom Sneddon and the media ,that is owned and controlled by the elite . The FbI is corrupt ,they knew all along they did not have ANYTHING on MJ yet they allowed the trial to proceed .The Media mogols paid off Tom Sneddon .Why else would he try a case that he knew he could'nt win & he knew from the FBI evidence because he requested their help ! They had nothing ! The trial proceeded because of the MONEY involved with the media circus ,can you even fathom the amount of money generated from the trial / media circus . If you check carefully you will see, that the same folks that own Sony are all the same folks that are are in control of the media ,and the LAPD is clearly NOT doing a thorough investigation ,so clearly, they are covering something up there are potential witnesses that have not even been investigated ! How the hell is John Branca in entire control over MJ's estate ? His family has no say so in anything at all now . How could that be ,when Mj fired him ? Where is the proof that MJ hired him back ? Let's see it !{ Are the courts corrupt as well?} MJ Fired John Branca because he caught him and Tommy Matolla funneling his money to offshore accounts and Branca was trying to represent Sony & MJ's Sony /ATV at the same time which is a conflict of interest . He also {mj} felt that Al Malnick was in cahoots with Tommy Matolla who was in cahoots with the mafia and Brett Ratner was also in cahoots with Malnick trying to steal MJ's catalog .They wanted to destroy MJ's ability to make money so he would be forced to sell his Sony / Atv and the catalog + the rights to his own music .If MJ had completed those concerts he would be alive to be in control of his rights to Sony/ATV/& His music And be in a position of being the most powerful person in the music industry . This could NOT be allowed to happen Sony / Aeg / Lapd / FBI / Media are all in on this conspiracy .Do we realize that MJ's Sony /ATV catalog includes Lady Ga GA ,Taylor Swift ECT  not to mention part of Elvis & the Beatles We are talking about an unGOdly amount of Money & POwer . Of course  there is a conspiracy to try and wrestle that catalog out of MJ's hands .MJ said so himself ,over & over again .And now by some weird twist of fate Branca winds up in control of MJ's Everything ? The Same Lawyer that was working For Sony ? And I looked At Branca website ,He takes the credit for MJ Success ,look for your self .I thought someone told MJ {Paul M.} that the catalog was up for sale & MJ INSTRUCTED his Att. John B. To purchase it .But that is not the story on John Branca's website , he maintains it was all his idea and if it wern't for him MJ would have nothing ! Sounds like Mr. Branca may have some jealousy issues to me . IDK . But his story on his website is inconsistent with what Mj says and he mentions nothing about MJ firing him anywhere on his site and I looked at everything on it .According to him he resigned .Somebody is telling a big fat lie . Also I looked up on Wiki The Dr that signed MJ's death cert. He works for the Dept of health &has ties to homeland security and works for UCLA . Why did this Dr. Sign Mj's death cert ? I thought it was weird that this Dr John Feilding "led efforts to deal with bioterrorism &pandemic flu " why did this person sign Mj Death cert . John Branca has ties to UCLA too {it is on his website } Coincidental ????


Kelly, I always like your posts, you do your research and Tell it Like it Is, and I would like to add a few more things that you may know more about...I find it odd the Police Chief Bratton decide to resign at such an inopportune time and go to work for a SEE-EYE-A front company in Alexandria, Va. (Don't you think thats rather sinister?)

Some people like to think MJ was rescued and in a Gov. Witness Protection Program, but my problem with this is it was our government who never gave up on trying to destroy him. For this reason I just can't believe the same government would have a sudden change of heart and step in to save him...

and the final thing that worries me is Samantha (of the Followers) state on night before his "death" there were alot of Black vehicles and guys in black suits at the back of the mansion, when there were normally only 2 of MJ's guards posted there. Was this Mafia or G-Men? They are one and the same these days arent' they, lol? Or Nation of Islam?
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: QuirkyDiana on March 02, 2010, 05:44:23 PM
@ Kelly Wright. Thanks for congealing those points together. A lot of unsavoury things lurked in the background in MJ's life, the shadows always moving, no doubt right up until/after his 'death'. This element was always going to increase the suspicion around MJ in the event of his death. Whether the suspicious and evasive behaviour of CM is because he is part of a conspiracy OR he is trying to cover up his individual mistake, we have yet to know. The points you make about the vultures and corruption feeding around MJ's life cannot be disputed. I wish people would hit on these issues more often! I'm intrigued though. I read about these various people surrounding MJ and their connections, and you can see how they might want MJ dead. But the buck did stop with CM when it came to MJ's death. Yet how is CM possibly connected to any of these people wanting to gain control of MJ? How (who?) did they get CM hired by MJ, and if it all went to plan why is CM covering-up what he did and why is he going to trial? If MJ was indeed murdered and CM was part of a greater conspiracy, these q's need answers - there is a missing connection.
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: QuirkyDiana on March 02, 2010, 05:49:42 PM
@ Good Lets Dance - who is samantha. Do you have a link to what she said?
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: Good Lets Dance on March 02, 2010, 06:01:39 PM
Quirky Diana,

There is tons on this site about Samantha De Gossen, I read it all HERE. It would take forever for me to search it out, but it's on here somewhere.
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: QuirkyDiana on March 02, 2010, 06:07:17 PM
Regarding the issue of the Catalogue. MJ had to be put in a shaky financial position to have his rights put in jeopardy, but Branca etc are making loads of money for the estate?
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: QuirkyDiana on March 02, 2010, 06:09:52 PM
Quote from: "Good Lets Dance"
Quirky Diana,

There is tons on this site about Samantha De Gossen, I read it all HERE. It would take forever for me to search it out, but it's on here somewhere.

No that's fine, i'll check it all out. Thanks.
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: Harry on March 02, 2010, 08:37:38 PM
Quote from: "raphaelleanique"
Hey wow, that is a great find! I got through it only once and definately dont remember all of the details, but a few things realy stood out. At 2.29 Twitty introduces herself, being from MJ Hoax live (??). Now, what is that? At the end the co-producer sings I´ll be there ,in a very passionate way.Like it being some kind of a message.
I am going to listen once more, but to me it all seems like a confirmation of a thread against MJ and fighting for justice for everything that went wrong in the past . As if it is a big chance right now to set several records straight. Whether he really died or not does not seem the point yet..

I 100% agree with you. And yeah wtf with the girl from MJ hoax live ahah!! :lol:

Joe cares a lot for his son ! My ass! Remember saying about his company ? Remember him not knowing where MJ body was after the memorial ?
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: darkchild on March 02, 2010, 11:31:22 PM
Quote from: "Good Lets Dance"
Quote from: "kelly wright"
what is so confusing ? The LAPD is corrupt ,they conspired with Tom Sneddon and the media ,that is owned and controlled by the elite . The FbI is corrupt ,they knew all along they did not have ANYTHING on MJ yet they allowed the trial to proceed .The Media mogols paid off Tom Sneddon .Why else would he try a case that he knew he could'nt win & he knew from the FBI evidence because he requested their help ! They had nothing ! The trial proceeded because of the MONEY involved with the media circus ,can you even fathom the amount of money generated from the trial / media circus . If you check carefully you will see, that the same folks that own Sony are all the same folks that are are in control of the media ,and the LAPD is clearly NOT doing a thorough investigation ,so clearly, they are covering something up there are potential witnesses that have not even been investigated ! How the hell is John Branca in entire control over MJ's estate ? His family has no say so in anything at all now . How could that be ,when Mj fired him ? Where is the proof that MJ hired him back ? Let's see it !{ Are the courts corrupt as well?} MJ Fired John Branca because he caught him and Tommy Matolla funneling his money to offshore accounts and Branca was trying to represent Sony & MJ's Sony /ATV at the same time which is a conflict of interest . He also {mj} felt that Al Malnick was in cahoots with Tommy Matolla who was in cahoots with the mafia and Brett Ratner was also in cahoots with Malnick trying to steal MJ's catalog .They wanted to destroy MJ's ability to make money so he would be forced to sell his Sony / Atv and the catalog + the rights to his own music .If MJ had completed those concerts he would be alive to be in control of his rights to Sony/ATV/& His music And be in a position of being the most powerful person in the music industry . This could NOT be allowed to happen Sony / Aeg / Lapd / FBI / Media are all in on this conspiracy .Do we realize that MJ's Sony /ATV catalog includes Lady Ga GA ,Taylor Swift ECT  not to mention part of Elvis & the Beatles We are talking about an unGOdly amount of Money & POwer . Of course  there is a conspiracy to try and wrestle that catalog out of MJ's hands .MJ said so himself ,over & over again .And now by some weird twist of fate Branca winds up in control of MJ's Everything ? The Same Lawyer that was working For Sony ? And I looked At Branca website ,He takes the credit for MJ Success ,look for your self .I thought someone told MJ {Paul M.} that the catalog was up for sale & MJ INSTRUCTED his Att. John B. To purchase it .But that is not the story on John Branca's website , he maintains it was all his idea and if it wern't for him MJ would have nothing ! Sounds like Mr. Branca may have some jealousy issues to me . IDK . But his story on his website is inconsistent with what Mj says and he mentions nothing about MJ firing him anywhere on his site and I looked at everything on it .According to him he resigned .Somebody is telling a big fat lie . Also I looked up on Wiki The Dr that signed MJ's death cert. He works for the Dept of health &has ties to homeland security and works for UCLA . Why did this Dr. Sign Mj's death cert ? I thought it was weird that this Dr John Feilding "led efforts to deal with bioterrorism &pandemic flu " why did this person sign Mj Death cert . John Branca has ties to UCLA too {it is on his website } Coincidental ????


Kelly, I always like your posts, you do your research and Tell it Like it Is, and I would like to add a few more things that you may know more about...I find it odd the Police Chief Bratton decide to resign at such an inopportune time and go to work for a SEE-EYE-A front company in Alexandria, Va. (Don't you think thats rather sinister?)

Some people like to think MJ was rescued and in a Gov. Witness Protection Program, but my problem with this is it was our government who never gave up on trying to destroy him. For this reason I just can't believe the same government would have a sudden change of heart and step in to save him...

and the final thing that worries me is Samantha (of the Followers) state on night before his "death" there were alot of Black vehicles and guys in black suits at the back of the mansion, when there were normally only 2 of MJ's guards posted there. Was this Mafia or G-Men? They are one and the same these days arent' they, lol? Or Nation of Islam?

Wow, I have never heard this statement from Sam before.  I did read in her TINI testimony that here was increase of bodyguards around MJ in his supposed "last days." Very interesting! Great post,  God bless you for sharing your insights and your comments.
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: scorpionchik on March 03, 2010, 12:07:28 AM
If Oxman does not trust prosecution and LAPD, he should consider to do his own investigation on behalf of King of Pop and Jackson family. Whom he/they are waiting for then? What they have been waiting for 8 months not doing anything? After 3d autopcy report was completed, the cause of death was announced "involuntary manslaughter". Why they have not been appealing against that  report from the beginning? Any how, I think, Michael and his hoax team are targeting to fight with something big, involving "big fishes" to bring down.

This makes sense:   http://mjtruth.wordpress.com/theories/ (http://mjtruth.wordpress.com/theories/)


Have you considered MJ could be in a witness protection program to bring down some major evil he has stumbled across? Or MJ has deliberately allowed the media to make it look like he has died so that he can teach the human race the true meaning of life.
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: Good Lets Dance on March 03, 2010, 12:18:45 AM
To Darkchild,

You said you had never heard this before? This was posted by YOU on Feb. 25th :roll:  The very last sentence is about the extra "security" on the night he died. But I remember reading it somewhere worded differantly. I thought it was the night Before he died but this says the Night he died....

You had posted Samantha's Testimony from TINI.

In the last few days of Michael’s life I also remember noticing his security guard Alberto Alvarez often looking very agitated and breaking into a nervous sweat. He would tell us, when questioning him on whether Michael was okay or not, that Michael was “focused” and in “tour mode” and not actually answering the question. Yet we could see it was more than that, that Michael had become increasingly altered, groggy and emaciated and that his security was nervous about something. In fact, instead of having 2-3 guards behind the gates at his house, it doubled and tripled and I even counted up to 12 of them on the night he died.

I found it by putting "TINI" in the "Search" box and this is just the one paragragh in referance to the 12 out back that night. So Thank you for posting this even though you obviously forgot it was YOUR post :roll:
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: raphaelleanique on March 03, 2010, 02:36:14 AM
Quote from: "Good Lets Dance"
To Darkchild,

You said you had never heard this before? This was posted by YOU on Feb. 25th :roll:  The very last sentence is about the extra "security" on the night he died. But I remember reading it somewhere worded differantly. I thought it was the night Before he died but this says the Night he died....

You had posted Samantha's Testimony from TINI.

In the last few days of Michael’s life I also remember noticing his security guard Alberto Alvarez often looking very agitated and breaking into a nervous sweat. He would tell us, when questioning him on whether Michael was okay or not, that Michael was “focused” and in “tour mode” and not actually answering the question. Yet we could see it was more than that, that Michael had become increasingly altered, groggy and emaciated and that his security was nervous about something. In fact, instead of having 2-3 guards behind the gates at his house, it doubled and tripled and I even counted up to 12 of them on the night he died.

I found it by putting "TINI" in the "Search" box and this is just the one paragragh in referance to the 12 out back that night. So Thank you for posting this even though you obviously forgot it was YOUR post :roll:


I am reacting to the increase of security the days before he died; we do not have real evidence whether this was to protect him from a severe threat or whether this was to support a severe threat.
The argument that government levelled organisations like FBI, CIA,  LAPD and so on would mainly want to bring MJ down is not quite right, I think. Maybe I am simply not well informed, but I think that MJ never ever would have gained the last trial if that would be the case.If the justical system is fraud, they would have had their big chance in 2005.
Please, correct me in case I am drawing the wrong conclusions because of lack of knowledge.
BTW, do we have any possibility here to check the kind of security that was involved during the past days?
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: kelly wright on March 03, 2010, 03:39:10 AM
Quote from: "Good Lets Dance"
Quote from: "kelly wright"
what is so confusing ? The LAPD is corrupt ,they conspired with Tom Sneddon and the media ,that is owned and controlled by the elite . The FbI is corrupt ,they knew all along they did not have ANYTHING on MJ yet they allowed the trial to proceed .The Media mogols paid off Tom Sneddon .Why else would he try a case that he knew he could'nt win & he knew from the FBI evidence because he requested their help ! They had nothing ! The trial proceeded because of the MONEY involved with the media circus ,can you even fathom the amount of money generated from the trial / media circus . If you check carefully you will see, that the same folks that own Sony are all the same folks that are are in control of the media ,and the LAPD is clearly NOT doing a thorough investigation ,so clearly, they are covering something up there are potential witnesses that have not even been investigated ! How the hell is John Branca in entire control over MJ's estate ? His family has no say so in anything at all now . How could that be ,when Mj fired him ? Where is the proof that MJ hired him back ? Let's see it !{ Are the courts corrupt as well?} MJ Fired John Branca because he caught him and Tommy Matolla funneling his money to offshore accounts and Branca was trying to represent Sony & MJ's Sony /ATV at the same time which is a conflict of interest . He also {mj} felt that Al Malnick was in cahoots with Tommy Matolla who was in cahoots with the mafia and Brett Ratner was also in cahoots with Malnick trying to steal MJ's catalog .They wanted to destroy MJ's ability to make money so he would be forced to sell his Sony / Atv and the catalog + the rights to his own music .If MJ had completed those concerts he would be alive to be in control of his rights to Sony/ATV/& His music And be in a position of being the most powerful person in the music industry . This could NOT be allowed to happen Sony / Aeg / Lapd / FBI / Media are all in on this conspiracy .Do we realize that MJ's Sony /ATV catalog includes Lady Ga GA ,Taylor Swift ECT  not to mention part of Elvis & the Beatles We are talking about an unGOdly amount of Money & POwer . Of course  there is a conspiracy to try and wrestle that catalog out of MJ's hands .MJ said so himself ,over & over again .And now by some weird twist of fate Branca winds up in control of MJ's Everything ? The Same Lawyer that was working For Sony ? And I looked At Branca website ,He takes the credit for MJ Success ,look for your self .I thought someone told MJ {Paul M.} that the catalog was up for sale & MJ INSTRUCTED his Att. John B. To purchase it .But that is not the story on John Branca's website , he maintains it was all his idea and if it wern't for him MJ would have nothing ! Sounds like Mr. Branca may have some jealousy issues to me . IDK . But his story on his website is inconsistent with what Mj says and he mentions nothing about MJ firing him anywhere on his site and I looked at everything on it .According to him he resigned .Somebody is telling a big fat lie . Also I looked up on Wiki The Dr that signed MJ's death cert. He works for the Dept of health &has ties to homeland security and works for UCLA . Why did this Dr. Sign Mj's death cert ? I thought it was weird that this Dr John Feilding "led efforts to deal with bioterrorism &pandemic flu " why did this person sign Mj Death cert . John Branca has ties to UCLA too {it is on his website } Coincidental ????


Kelly, I always like your posts, you do your research and Tell it Like it Is, and I would like to add a few more things that you may know more about...I find it odd the Police Chief Bratton decide to resign at such an inopportune time and go to work for a SEE-EYE-A front company in Alexandria, Va. (Don't you think thats rather sinister?)

Some people like to think MJ was rescued and in a Gov. Witness Protection Program, but my problem with this is it was our government who never gave up on trying to destroy him. For this reason I just can't believe the same government would have a sudden change of heart and step in to save him...

and the final thing that worries me is Samantha (of the Followers) state on night before his "death" there were alot of Black vehicles and guys in black suits at the back of the mansion, when there were normally only 2 of MJ's guards posted there. Was this Mafia or G-Men? They are one and the same these days arent' they, lol? Or Nation of Islam?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       I agree with you on the witness P.P. .and I expected from the start the Lapd would Botch the investigation , And i believe those girls talked to MJ they had pics ! I am telling you the LAPD has a LOng history of not only corruption but racism .Rodney King , Tupac ,Suge Nite , OJ { he may be guilty } Heidi Fliess .The police except money from media ,so I am sure judges do too
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: raphaelleanique on March 03, 2010, 07:57:36 AM
According to JJs interview on the Australian radioshow everything is known by JJ and everything will unfold; JJ is just not allowed to say it.Plus he emphasizes that MJs life was threatened.

Logically, if JJ tells the truth, it can not take ages anymore untill we will experience some truth.And if JJ knows so much, then Brian O. knows at least as much as JJ does. So it does not make sense that they act differently, unless they are...acting?
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: Shout on March 07, 2010, 04:36:11 PM
It´s not over it´s the beginning!

[youtube:363qnxu7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GCftPxrAuQ[/youtube:363qnxu7]
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: XspeechlessX on March 07, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
I dont want to watch this video. The comments are all negative. So im not goin to.
Feel free to fill me in.  :)
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: Shout on March 07, 2010, 05:28:43 PM
Quote from: "XspeechlessX"
I dont want to watch this video. The comments are all negative. So im not goin to.
Feel free to fill me in.  :)

The video is not negative. It is very interesting and a great fight against injustice! It reminds me of the memorial service it is the same issue. Fight for the human rights especialy for black americans! It comes all together I think!

What is about the hoax lady, has someone more iformation about it?

XspeechlessX I think you should not be afraid to watch the video. It gives me a great feeling. Alive or not Michaels spirit is everywhere... ;)
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: 2good2btrue on March 07, 2010, 06:16:19 PM
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 12 security men, or was it the 12 apostles????
If there were that many cars before the hoax death night, I would imagine they were family members and friends involved in the death hoax and were getting everything organised for the "GRAND EVENT".  Just a thought
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: Good Lets Dance on March 08, 2010, 01:34:34 AM
Quote from: "raphaelleanique"
Quote from: "Good Lets Dance"
To Darkchild,

You said you had never heard this before? This was posted by YOU on Feb. 25th :roll:  The very last sentence is about the extra "security" on the night he died. But I remember reading it somewhere worded differantly. I thought it was the night Before he died but this says the Night he died....

You had posted Samantha's Testimony from TINI.

In the last few days of Michael’s life I also remember noticing his security guard Alberto Alvarez often looking very agitated and breaking into a nervous sweat. He would tell us, when questioning him on whether Michael was okay or not, that Michael was “focused” and in “tour mode” and not actually answering the question. Yet we could see it was more than that, that Michael had become increasingly altered, groggy and emaciated and that his security was nervous about something. In fact, instead of having 2-3 guards behind the gates at his house, it doubled and tripled and I even counted up to 12 of them on the night he died.

I found it by putting "TINI" in the "Search" box and this is just the one paragragh in referance to the 12 out back that night. So Thank you for posting this even though you obviously forgot it was YOUR post :roll:


I am reacting to the increase of security the days before he died; we do not have real evidence whether this was to protect him from a severe threat or whether this was to support a severe threat.
The argument that government levelled organisations like FBI, CIA,  LAPD and so on would mainly want to bring MJ down is not quite right, I think. Maybe I am simply not well informed, but I think that MJ never ever would have gained the last trial if that would be the case.If the justical system is fraud, they would have had their big chance in 2005.
Please, correct me in case I am drawing the wrong conclusions because of lack of knowledge.
BTW, do we have any possibility here to check the kind of security that was involved during the past days?

"Maybe I am simply not well informed" is Correct. The released FBI Files admit they were up his ass for 17 years and brought in by Sneddon. The S.B. Deputies raided Neverland so many times (nothing incriminating resulted from their raids) That he left the country for Bahrain. LAPD Bratton was hired by the see-eye-a after his resignation in the middle of MJ's death chaos. These are ALL Government LE Agencies are they not? How you can interpret this as "not quite right" (your words) is beyond me!
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: themjkiss on March 08, 2010, 02:04:15 AM
Wow wether the report about 12 body guards is true or not, it seems weird. If it is true, then it does sound like Micheal was planning... I remember cleary his mother Katherine admitting that her, and Joe know who is trying to bring her son down, but said she will not say anything further about it. Then Joe in the same interview, admitted to Michael being involved with the Nation of Islam people, to me sounds like they were planning to get Michael to somewhere safe, it is very obvious that several people in the business, some pretty powerful ones at that were trying to bring Micheal down, this has been going on for many, many years of his career. In cases like this with the fame and money Micheal had, he had options to protect himself, and may have taken a very extreme undercover option. I have heard about 'Deep Cover" operations where several govermental agencies can make a person disappear, well the identity that everyone knows of that person.


What happens is the person being put in the program can be given a new identity ( this varies by the state of the person's situation), location changes (which can be very extreme, moving someone worlds away from where they resided before), getting paper work with a new name, (birth cert/social security) e.t.c.  It is done all the time in our country, and I believe Michael may have had the Nation of Islam help him to get into this program. Dr. Klein himself said he was fixing Michael's nose, most of us heard that interview, so that is a big clue to what I am saying about this program. By no means am I saying that this is what happened, this is specualtion only. I do not want to lead people to believe one way or the other, just to keep a open mind.
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: word on March 08, 2010, 08:34:49 AM
This no way a hoax,our beloved Michael was murdered,you can't put your life on hold for a faked death.The Jackson family are devastated and they are not the only ones.Conrad Murray killed Michael,and he needs to pay.It  won't bring Michael back,but  it will give him justice.Three children have lost their father and for what?
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: deepu priyanka on March 08, 2010, 12:16:56 PM
Quote from: "2good2btrue"
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 12 security men, or was it the 12 apostles????
If there were that many cars before the hoax death night, I would imagine they were family members and friends involved in the death hoax and were getting everything organised for the "GRAND EVENT".  Just a thought
 COULD BE POSSIBLE... WHAT  SO MANY PEOPLE GOT TO DO WITH MJ THAT NIGHT.... WHO WERE THEY :?:
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: Datroot on March 08, 2010, 12:21:14 PM
Quote from: "word"
This no way a hoax,our beloved Michael was murdered,you can't put your life on hold for a faked death.The Jackson family are devastated and they are not the only ones.Conrad Murray killed Michael,and he needs to pay.It  won't bring Michael back,but  it will give him justice.Three children have lost their father and for what?


We us here on the HOAX site think otherwise otherwise we wouldn't be here on a HOAX site.  We would be on a MJ is DEAD site.
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: word on March 08, 2010, 02:09:38 PM
Quote from: "Datroot"
Quote from: "word"
This no way a hoax,our beloved Michael was murdered,you can't put your life on hold for a faked death.The Jackson family are devastated and they are not the only ones.Conrad Murray killed Michael,and he needs to pay.It  won't bring Michael back,but  it will give him justice.Three children have lost their father and for what?


We us here on the HOAX site think otherwise otherwise we wouldn't be here on a HOAX site.  We would be on a MJ is DEAD site.



"We us here"you might want to use the edit button.Anyway my word stands,peace.
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: Infinitylady on March 08, 2010, 02:27:47 PM
Quote
word » Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:09 pm

Datroot wrote:
word wrote:
This no way a hoax,our beloved Michael was murdered,you can't put your life on hold for a faked death.The Jackson family are devastated and they are not the only ones.Conrad Murray killed Michael,and he needs to pay.It won't bring Michael back,but it will give him justice.Three children have lost their father and for what?


We us here on the HOAX site think otherwise otherwise we wouldn't be here on a HOAX site. We would be on a MJ is DEAD site.



"We us here"you might want to use the edit button.Anyway my word stands,peace.

How do you know he is dead?
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: bec on March 08, 2010, 08:10:09 PM
Quote from: "Datroot"
Quote from: "word"
This no way a hoax,our beloved Michael was murdered,you can't put your life on hold for a faked death.The Jackson family are devastated and they are not the only ones.Conrad Murray killed Michael,and he needs to pay.It  won't bring Michael back,but  it will give him justice.Three children have lost their father and for what?


We us here on the HOAX site think otherwise otherwise we wouldn't be here on a HOAX site.  We would be on a MJ is DEAD site.

Yeah dude, agreed.

Word, perhaps you would find yourself fitting in better on a murder board or a straight up conspiracy board. I mean you're welcome to observe and all but please stop trying to stear the conversation away from the topic of the entire site. Off topic posts really just junk up the place.
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: QuirkyDiana on March 08, 2010, 08:17:11 PM
LAPD Bratton was hired by who? Just wanted to ask - during the arvizo allegations, how were LAPD involved in that? When the issue of LAPD comes up, people always say 'oh it wasn't the LAPD, it was Santa Barbara police'. But wasn't it both? Weren't LAPD working with Sneddon's people?
Title: Re: I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
Post by: darkchild on March 08, 2010, 09:10:35 PM
Quote from: "Good Lets Dance"
To Darkchild,

You said you had never heard this before? This was posted by YOU on Feb. 25th :roll:  The very last sentence is about the extra "security" on the night he died. But I remember reading it somewhere worded differantly. I thought it was the night Before he died but this says the Night he died....

You had posted Samantha's Testimony from TINI.

In the last few days of Michael’s life I also remember noticing his security guard Alberto Alvarez often looking very agitated and breaking into a nervous sweat. He would tell us, when questioning him on whether Michael was okay or not, that Michael was “focused” and in “tour mode” and not actually answering the question. Yet we could see it was more than that, that Michael had become increasingly altered, groggy and emaciated and that his security was nervous about something. In fact, instead of having 2-3 guards behind the gates at his house, it doubled and tripled and I even counted up to 12 of them on the night he died.

I found it by putting "TINI" in the "Search" box and this is just the one paragragh in referance to the 12 out back that night. So Thank you for posting this even though you obviously forgot it was YOUR post :roll:


Thank you for pointing out my mistake.  I dont want to be double posting and wasting space on the forum.  God bless you, Good Lets Dance!
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