Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: Jacksonology on February 23, 2010, 12:45:51 PM
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(http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac249/mjdeathhoax/tii2.jpg) split screen from Wanna be startin' Something
(http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac249/mjdeathhoax/tii.jpg) Human Nature Split Screen
The Spit Screens could of been used to tell Us Which One Is Michael and Which One Isn't If you can Tell the Difference..
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Very true, They did it on purpose.
I think first pic the left one is the real MJ,
and the second pic the mid one is MJ!
Proof the mid one is Michael, Second PIC
look to the MIC stuff on his back.. so he did need the Mic to sing live, the others were lipSync
I really think they filmed TII just 2 or 3 days with the REAL MJ.
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(http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac249/mjdeathhoax/tii2.jpg) split screen from Wanna be startin' Something
(http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac249/mjdeathhoax/tii.jpg) Human Nature Split Screen
The Spit Screens could of been used to tell Us Which One Is Michael and Which One Isn't If you can Tell the Difference..
Very true, They did it on purpose.
I think first pic the left one is the real MJ,
and the second pic the mid one is MJ!
Im sort of skeptical about Gold Pants. His Lips...They don't Match MJ's there Thin and the lip color is DARK RED. MJ's are Full and Lighter...
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There we go again...
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To me it's Michael all the time...
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Orange pants: 50/50 it could be MJ but on the other side it could be a double/impersonator...
Black pants: MJ! :)
Golden pants: Again 50/50.
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Orange pants: 50/50 it could be MJ but on the other side it could be a double/impersonator...
Black pants: MJ! :)
Golden pants: Again 50/50.
Orange pants is NOT MJ IMO his Moves were Messy and He was dancing around like a little fairy boy and was TOO Energetic, the Suit Guy is 100% MJ, Golden pants still skeptical. IMO
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yeah to me also 1 Mike. But the middle Mike has a pointy ear. Watch TII and they don't care about us and you see a pointy ear. But that means that its a 'double' right? :S
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yeah to me also 1 Mike. But the middle Mike has a pointy ear. Watch TII and they don't care about us and you see a pointy ear. But that means that its a 'double' right? :S
Mike always had that Pointy Ear ;)
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yeah to me also 1 Mike. But the middle Mike has a pointy ear. Watch TII and they don't care about us and you see a pointy ear. But that means that its a 'double' right? :S
Mike always had that Pointy Ear ;)
yeah but why does everyone says that the double is the one with the pointy ear? :? or am i wrong! lol! :D
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I saw a pointy jacket - not sure if that was a double.
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yeah to me also 1 Mike. But the middle Mike has a pointy ear. Watch TII and they don't care about us and you see a pointy ear. But that means that its a 'double' right? :S
Mike always had that Pointy Ear ;)
yeah but why does everyone says that the double is the one with the pointy ear? :? or am i wrong! lol! :D
MJ's Ear: (http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac249/mjdeathhoax/suitmj2.jpg) Rounder and more Softer
Red Pants: (http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac249/mjdeathhoax/orangepants.jpg) more Sharper, Rougher, Pointer
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ALL 3 are Michael. Kenny did good job putting together TII.
As for orange pants, is Michael himself. People don't look the same in diffirent clothes.
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ALL 3 are Michael. Kenny did good job putting together TII.
As for orange pants, is Michael himself. People don't look the same in diffirent clothes.
Sorry, but IMO There were Doubles in This Is It and Many people would Agree.. Everyone has a Opinion Though..
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I think Red Drawers is a double.
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ALL 3 are Michael. Kenny did good job putting together TII.
As for orange pants, is Michael himself. People don't look the same in diffirent clothes.
Sorry, but IMO There were Doubles in This Is It and Many people would Agree.. Everyone has a Opinion Though..
IMO there is only 1 stunt double-in Dangerous.
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ALL 3 are Michael. Kenny did good job putting together TII.
As for orange pants, is Michael himself. People don't look the same in diffirent clothes.
Sorry, but IMO There were Doubles in This Is It and Many people would Agree.. Everyone has a Opinion Though..
IMO there is only 1 stunt double-in Dangerous.
True he did use a Double Prior to This Is It: [youtube:3fupfq98]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKSEktPHjJc[/youtube:3fupfq98] the switch is at :36
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ALL 3 are Michael. Kenny did good job putting together TII.
As for orange pants, is Michael himself. People don't look the same in diffirent clothes.
Sorry, but IMO There were Doubles in This Is It and Many people would Agree.. Everyone has a Opinion Though..
IMO there is only 1 stunt double-in Dangerous.
True he did use a Double Prior to This Is It: [youtube:vlcqzbew]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKSEktPHjJc[/youtube:vlcqzbew] the switch is at :36
In "TII" there was stunt double in "Smooth Criminal" footage
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Next to comparing ears, just compare the chin clefts. I see sizes that vary from a money-box to a subtile cleft, and it sure is not a lighting or angle issue.
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So Mo,
Do you think we ever gets answer from anyone who confirms that they used doubles in TII?
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ALL 3 are Michael. Kenny did good job putting together TII.
As for orange pants, is Michael himself. People don't look the same in diffirent clothes.
Sorry, but IMO There were Doubles in This Is It and Many people would Agree.. Everyone has a Opinion Though..
IMO there is only 1 stunt double-in Dangerous.
True he did use a Double Prior to This Is It: [youtube:3kvleaks]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKSEktPHjJc[/youtube:3kvleaks] the switch is at :36
In "TII" there was stunt double in "Smooth Criminal" footage
Real MJ:(http://i48.tinypic.com/v9bh1.jpg)
Stunt MJ:(http://i48.tinypic.com/2ewk0o4.jpg)the Dimensions of the Face are different and so is the Cleft. and The Nose. look at the chins, square/round/square/round... These are clearly not all one and the same person.
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ALL 3 are Michael. Kenny did good job putting together TII.
As for orange pants, is Michael himself. People don't look the same in diffirent clothes.
Sorry, but IMO There were Doubles in This Is It and Many people would Agree.. Everyone has a Opinion Though..
IMO there is only 1 stunt double-in Dangerous.
True he did use a Double Prior to This Is It: [youtube:nckxixzh]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKSEktPHjJc[/youtube:nckxixzh] the switch is at :36
In "TII" there was stunt double in "Smooth Criminal" footage
Real MJ:(http://i48.tinypic.com/v9bh1.jpg)
Stunt MJ:(http://i48.tinypic.com/2ewk0o4.jpg)the Dimensions of the Face are different and so is the Cleft. and The Nose. look at the chins, square/round/square/round... These are clearly not all one and the same person.
the second is the stunt man?? Since when does the stunt man looks almost exact the same as the real one? :P LOL!
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i believe that TII is all mj
the mj in the space suit - you know he would have loved that - so i cant say its not him - but for insurance it may not have been him
but i am sure he would have tried it
if the 50 millions shows had gone ahead and frank thinks they still can, from the post death talks he has with mike, i think mj would have done it - mike is not a fraud.
but do you remember navi was reported as having said post death that he had been approached post death to appear on TII, maybe aeg trying to pad out the film
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Sorry but I can't see the stunt man's pic!
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so what you may question is the padding put in by aeg.
when you have mj you have 100% mj
he would never short change us - you all know that
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OH sorry I see it now! :D
To me the stunt one's face looks narrower and a little longer. First pic def Mike!
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the second is the stunt man?? Since when does the stunt man looks almost exact the same as the real one? :P LOL!
The second guy ( stunt) does not look exact the same that the 1st Michael here.
Explanations:
1, either he went to mass surgery and changed even bone struture of the face
2, is a double
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the second is the stunt man?? Since when does the stunt man looks almost exact the same as the real one? :P LOL!
The second guy ( stunt) does not look exact the same that the 1st Michael here.
Explanations:
1, either he went to mass surgery and changed even bone struture of the face
2, is a double
But, he couldn't have done all that in a matter of seconds ;)
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the second is the stunt man?? Since when does the stunt man looks almost exact the same as the real one? :P LOL!
The second guy ( stunt) does not look exact the same that the 1st Michael here.
Explanations:
1, either he went to mass surgery and changed even bone struture of the face
2, is a double
no i know ;) Its not exact the same but it does look alot. Even the nose is changed like Michael's. And most of the time they just use a stuntman and just put a wig on it and stuff and woppa its that person! but now the stuntman does look like Michael. In his face you know. I hope you know what I mean ;)
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Michael had doubles! that we know ;)
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You know what.. Im totally lost with this doubles thing so tbh i couldnt care less anymore whether there are doubles in TII or not... for me its all Michael. If it makes no MAJOR difference to this then why bother analysing it. :)
L.O.V.E
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You know what.. Im totally lost with this doubles thing so tbh i couldnt care less anymore whether there are doubles in TII or not... for me its all Michael. If it makes no MAJOR difference to this then why bother analysing it. :)
L.O.V.E
its true - the question is - is mike dead
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You know what.. Im totally lost with this doubles thing so tbh i couldnt care less anymore whether there are doubles in TII or not... for me its all Michael. If it makes no MAJOR difference to this then why bother analysing it. :)
L.O.V.E
its true - the question is - is mike dead
But, this is also important because This Is It plays a Major Part in the Hoax
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Aside from how MJ looks in the different scenes I noticed something else.
I remember it because at the time I was thinking... all those years I thought he was in charge and here it seems that he is being pushed around...
So watch the movie, and notice that some scenes it is MJ in charge, and in others it seems like MJ is being told what to do. So that is how you tell who is the double. =) IMO
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I think Red Drawers is a double.
LMAO!!!
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Smooth criminal double looks a lot like Michael so maybe they used him for the rest of the movie, orange pants is not Michael he could barely dance and moved a little to feminine to be Mike in my opinion
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In "TII" there was stunt double in "Smooth Criminal" footage Real MJ:(http://i48.tinypic.com/v9bh1.jpg)
Man he is beautiful........... ;)
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OH sorry I see it now! :D
To me the stunt one's face looks narrower and a little longer. First pic def Mike!
This almost looks like a womans face. There is a female impersonator.
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Aside from how MJ looks in the different scenes I noticed something else.
I remember it because at the time I was thinking... all those years I thought he was in charge and here it seems that he is being pushed around...
So watch the movie, and notice that some scenes it is MJ in charge, and in others it seems like MJ is being told what to do. So that is how you tell who is the double. =) IMO
Bingo. There are also alot of scenes where he is giving direction. Would a double do that?
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Aside from how MJ looks in the different scenes I noticed something else.
I remember it because at the time I was thinking... all those years I thought he was in charge and here it seems that he is being pushed around...
So watch the movie, and notice that some scenes it is MJ in charge, and in others it seems like MJ is being told what to do. So that is how you tell who is the double. =) IMO
Bingo. There are also alot of scenes where he is giving direction. Would a double do that?
Possibly, If a Double gives Direction to Anyone it is most likely Lip-Synced
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I don't think a double would know how to give direction during a project of this magnitude.
That would be the equivilant to a cashier walking into a board room to fake the role of the CEO. IMO
I fully believe that doubles were used because Michael's father said that doubles were used. It was his reason for not wanting to go see the film in the theatre, and it is his contention that Michael was not all the way up to snuff to complete these shows, and that this footage is an attempt to make it seem like he was ok to do those shows.
I remember seeing footage shown on TV of a Las Vegas home that MJ lived in before returning to CA. His father visited him there, and even then said he wasn't in perfect shape during that interview quite a while ago.
I believe that Michael's life was indeed threatened, and it would be perposterous to think that he would not react to that threat in some way. In fact it is well documented that he left the country to live with that sheik in response to being double crossed and feeling like his life was in danger.
It doesn't seem reasonable to think that he would come back to the US and simply be a sitting duck for these same people all over again... IMO
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jacksonology in regards to the two pics in smooth criminal. mikey also fills the suit out better as well :lol: the other one looks a little loose on that guy
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my[KING]"]jacksonology in regards to the two pics in smooth criminal. mikey also fills the suit out better as well :lol: the other one looks a little loose on that guy
Indeed. Real MJ: (http://i50.tinypic.com/e9cc47.jpg)
Stunt MJ: (http://i48.tinypic.com/6xxlrq.jpg) it does fit a little loose
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about the dobles is very interesting he is wearing the same cloth I mean we can count it and sometimes the cloth is combined so we can say he was in the rehearsals a few days ??? well the material edited for the movie he is with these clothes
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i think that i saw in TII at the end that the double for smooth was the blonde dancer???
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Oh for goodness sake....
Kenny has to INSTRUCT the REAL Michael Jackson how to start his Billy Jean performance that he has been doing for over a decade?
Come on.
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Oh for goodness sake....
Kenny has to INSTRUCT the REAL Michael Jackson how to start his Billy Jean performance that he has been doing for over a decade?
Come on.
:lol: and No Moonwalk!! No Way that's Michael! :lol:
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Oh for goodness sake....
Kenny has to INSTRUCT the REAL Michael Jackson how to start his Billy Jean performance that he has been doing for over a decade?
Come on.
:lol: and No Moonwalk!! No Way that's Michael! :lol:
He never Moonwalked in rehearsals!
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Oh for goodness sake....
Kenny has to INSTRUCT the REAL Michael Jackson how to start his Billy Jean performance that he has been doing for over a decade?
Come on.
:lol: and No Moonwalk!! No Way that's Michael! :lol:
He never Moonwalked in rehearsals!
well, sometimes a little bit but not the full moonwalk, always the moonwalk on one place you know :) I don't remember though where he did it :P
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Oh for goodness sake....
Kenny has to INSTRUCT the REAL Michael Jackson how to start his Billy Jean performance that he has been doing for over a decade?
Come on.
:lol: and No Moonwalk!! No Way that's Michael! :lol:
He never Moonwalked in rehearsals!
Well he did moonwalk in Smooth Criminal in TII so there goes that theory.
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Remember, in a couple of scenes of TII, Michael said he had to preserve or save his voice and refused to sing much especially high notes. I've never known him to say that something like that. I was thinking maybe that was the double. Also, the Michael in the orange pants and the Michael doing the penguin dance move.......just didn't have the Michael Jackson personality. With the exceptions of the known impersonators/body doubles.... I've seen so many Michael's that I just don't know anymore (really confused). But it appears the Michaels in TII had multiple personalities and body flexibility. Also, why is it that all the Michaels that were on stage had curly hair and the Michael and only the Michael that worked beside Kenny in throughout had the straight hair. Did he wear the curly hair just for dancing and the straight hair for business only. Not once did we see the straight haired Michael perform :? :? :? .
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Remember, in a couple of scenes of TII, Michael said he had to preserve or save his voice and refused to sing much especially high notes. I've never known him to say that something like that. I was thinking maybe that was the double. Also, the Michael in the orange pants and the Michael doing the penguin dance move.......just didn't have the Michael Jackson personality. With the exceptions of the known impersonators/body doubles.... I've seen so many Michael's that I just don't know anymore (really confused). But it appears the Michaels in TII had multiple personalities and body flexibility. Also, why is it that all the Michaels that were on stage had curly hair and the Michael and only the Michael that worked beside Kenny in throughout had the straight hair. Did he wear the curly hair just for dancing and the straight hair for business only. Not once did we see the straight haired Michael perform :? :? :? .
So, if they used doubles, The looked axactly like MJ, and MJ supposed to be ''dead''. So where are they hiding now. They cant live as a normal person. They have to be someone who supposed to be 'dead'
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Thats a good question(where are they hiding)! Of course if they are doubles on stage they're in makeup, possibly wigs, MJ's clothing etc. That makes a big difference and can give a convincing illusion. But, I think out of costume they can walk around as themselves.
Thats why I was pointing out the differences in behavior/mannnerism that I noticed and yes as another member mentioned one even seemed to be a little too feminine and when have we ever seen Michael dancing, walking or acting that feminine? Never!
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there are doubles in the film hence the split screens thats when theres a double and him we have to spot real one just look at the cd pic guys! and no he wouldnt have used a double to sing and perform at the concerts he would have done that but they were never going to happen it was always meant to be a movie remember timor once i finished the movie i... exactly! :lol:
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I don't think a double would know how to give direction during a project of this magnitude.
That would be the equivilant to a cashier walking into a board room to fake the role of the CEO. IMO
I fully believe that doubles were used because Michael's father said that doubles were used. It was his reason for not wanting to go see the film in the theatre, and it is his contention that Michael was not all the way up to snuff to complete these shows, and that this footage is an attempt to make it seem like he was ok to do those shows.
I remember seeing footage shown on TV of a Las Vegas home that MJ lived in before returning to CA. His father visited him there, and even then said he wasn't in perfect shape during that interview quite a while ago.
I believe that Michael's life was indeed threatened, and it would be perposterous to think that he would not react to that threat in some way. In fact it is well documented that he left the country to live with that sheik in response to being double crossed and feeling like his life was in danger.
It doesn't seem reasonable to think that he would come back to the US and simply be a sitting duck for these same people all over again... IMO
but joe jackson was never at the rehearsals, Dr klein said on TMZ
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Remember, in a couple of scenes of TII, Michael said he had to preserve or save his voice and refused to sing much especially high notes. I've never known him to say that something like that. I was thinking maybe that was the double. Also, the Michael in the orange pants and the Michael doing the penguin dance move.......just didn't have the Michael Jackson personality. With the exceptions of the known impersonators/body doubles.... I've seen so many Michael's that I just don't know anymore (really confused). But it appears the Michaels in TII had multiple personalities and body flexibility. Also, why is it that all the Michaels that were on stage had curly hair and the Michael and only the Michael that worked beside Kenny in throughout had the straight hair. Did he wear the curly hair just for dancing and the straight hair for business only. Not once did we see the straight haired Michael perform :? :? :? .
So, if they used doubles, The looked axactly like MJ, and MJ supposed to be ''dead''. So where are they hiding now. They cant live as a normal person. They have to be someone who supposed to be 'dead'
have these doubles being mentioned on the credits of TII.
Mike might have had a stunt guy (though not a double as such) for the smooth criminal stair thing. is a stunt guy mentioned?
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Remember, in a couple of scenes of TII, Michael said he had to preserve or save his voice and refused to sing much especially high notes. I've never known him to say that something like that. I was thinking maybe that was the double. Also, the Michael in the orange pants and the Michael doing the penguin dance move.......just didn't have the Michael Jackson personality. With the exceptions of the known impersonators/body doubles.... I've seen so many Michael's that I just don't know anymore (really confused). But it appears the Michaels in TII had multiple personalities and body flexibility. Also, why is it that all the Michaels that were on stage had curly hair and the Michael and only the Michael that worked beside Kenny in throughout had the straight hair. Did he wear the curly hair just for dancing and the straight hair for business only. Not once did we see the straight haired Michael perform :? :? :? .
So, if they used doubles, The looked axactly like MJ, and MJ supposed to be ''dead''. So where are they hiding now. They cant live as a normal person. They have to be someone who supposed to be 'dead'
Not necessarily. Its just a job to them - they get paid to stand in for MJ.
have these doubles being mentioned on the credits of TII.
Mike might have had a stunt guy (though not a double as such) for the smooth criminal stair thing. is a stunt guy mentioned?
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Remember, in a couple of scenes of TII, Michael said he had to preserve or save his voice and refused to sing much especially high notes. I've never known him to say that something like that. I was thinking maybe that was the double. Also, the Michael in the orange pants and the Michael doing the penguin dance move.......just didn't have the Michael Jackson personality. With the exceptions of the known impersonators/body doubles.... I've seen so many Michael's that I just don't know anymore (really confused). But it appears the Michaels in TII had multiple personalities and body flexibility. Also, why is it that all the Michaels that were on stage had curly hair and the Michael and only the Michael that worked beside Kenny in throughout had the straight hair. Did he wear the curly hair just for dancing and the straight hair for business only. Not once did we see the straight haired Michael perform :? :? :? .
So, if they used doubles, The looked axactly like MJ, and MJ supposed to be ''dead''. So where are they hiding now. They cant live as a normal person. They have to be someone who supposed to be 'dead'
Yeah they wouldn't need to Hide because we didn't see there True Identity. plus we got MJ impersonators walking all over the place so Hiding wouldn't be necessary .
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Remember, in a couple of scenes of TII, Michael said he had to preserve or save his voice and refused to sing much especially high notes. I've never known him to say that something like that. I was thinking maybe that was the double. Also, the Michael in the orange pants and the Michael doing the penguin dance move.......just didn't have the Michael Jackson personality. With the exceptions of the known impersonators/body doubles.... I've seen so many Michael's that I just don't know anymore (really confused). But it appears the Michaels in TII had multiple personalities and body flexibility. Also, why is it that all the Michaels that were on stage had curly hair and the Michael and only the Michael that worked beside Kenny in throughout had the straight hair. Did he wear the curly hair just for dancing and the straight hair for business only. Not once did we see the straight haired Michael perform :? :? :? .
So, if they used doubles, The looked axactly like MJ, and MJ supposed to be ''dead''. So where are they hiding now. They cant live as a normal person. They have to be someone who supposed to be 'dead'
Not necessarily. Its just a job to them - they get paid to stand in for MJ.
have these doubles being mentioned on the credits of TII.
Mike might have had a stunt guy (though not a double as such) for the smooth criminal stair thing. is a stunt guy mentioned?
Well, on Imdb there is one person mentioned in ''Stunts'' http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3022920/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3022920/) Randy Haynie
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I've always said right from first watching TII that it was 100% MJ all the way through - and I still stick by that now - apart from the stuntman in Smooth Criminal.
Just my opinion.
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I've always said right from first watching TII that it was 100% MJ all the way through - and I still stick by that now - apart from the stuntman in Smooth Criminal.
Just my opinion.
yeap
but a stunt guy and why not, does not mean the 25th june is/not a hoax
i think what went before 25th was mj 100% but its the 25th that we need to find the truth about?
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I've always said right from first watching TII that it was 100% MJ all the way through - and I still stick by that now - apart from the stuntman in Smooth Criminal.
Just my opinion.
+10000000
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I've always said right from first watching TII that it was 100% MJ all the way through - and I still stick by that now - apart from the stuntman in Smooth Criminal.
Just my opinion.
yeap
but a stunt guy and why not, does not mean the 25th june is/not a hoax
i think what went before 25th was mj 100% but its the 25th that we need to find the truth about?
True, if He did Use doubles in This is it doesn't Have nothing to do with June 25th and the Dates that followed
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the straight hair on the sidelines and the curly hair on stage definitely makes me think somethin is up with that.
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Remember, in a couple of scenes of TII, Michael said he had to preserve or save his voice and refused to sing much especially high notes. I've never known him to say that something like that. I was thinking maybe that was the double. Also, the Michael in the orange pants and the Michael doing the penguin dance move.......just didn't have the Michael Jackson personality. With the exceptions of the known impersonators/body doubles.... I've seen so many Michael's that I just don't know anymore (really confused). But it appears the Michaels in TII had multiple personalities and body flexibility. Also, why is it that all the Michaels that were on stage had curly hair and the Michael and only the Michael that worked beside Kenny in throughout had the straight hair. Did he wear the curly hair just for dancing and the straight hair for business only. Not once did we see the straight haired Michael perform :? :? :? .
That's what confused me too! Why do we only see him on stage with curly hair?
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Remember, in a couple of scenes of TII, Michael said he had to preserve or save his voice and refused to sing much especially high notes. I've never known him to say that something like that. I was thinking maybe that was the double. Also, the Michael in the orange pants and the Michael doing the penguin dance move.......just didn't have the Michael Jackson personality. With the exceptions of the known impersonators/body doubles.... I've seen so many Michael's that I just don't know anymore (really confused). But it appears the Michaels in TII had multiple personalities and body flexibility. Also, why is it that all the Michaels that were on stage had curly hair and the Michael and only the Michael that worked beside Kenny in throughout had the straight hair. Did he wear the curly hair just for dancing and the straight hair for business only. Not once did we see the straight haired Michael perform :? :? :? .
That's what confused me too! Why do we only see him on stage with curly hair?
And they were MESSY wigs. so I guess that would make it more Easier to hide there Real facial features
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i think it was his comfy look
but hey wasnt there pics of him with fans outside the staples - did he has straight or curly hair
does not matter - its not 25th June
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LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE STUNT FOR SMOOTH CRIMINAL WAS THE BLONDE DANCER, THE WOMAN, I CAN´T REMEMBER HER NAME!!! IT´S ON THE CREDITS OF TII!!! ;)
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LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE STUNT FOR SMOOTH CRIMINAL WAS THE BLONDE DANCER, THE WOMAN, I CAN´T REMEMBER HER NAME!!! IT´S ON THE CREDITS OF TII!!! ;)
Tyne?
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Remember, in a couple of scenes of TII, Michael said he had to preserve or save his voice and refused to sing much especially high notes. I've never known him to say that something like that. I was thinking maybe that was the double. Also, the Michael in the orange pants and the Michael doing the penguin dance move.......just didn't have the Michael Jackson personality. With the exceptions of the known impersonators/body doubles.... I've seen so many Michael's that I just don't know anymore (really confused). But it appears the Michaels in TII had multiple personalities and body flexibility. Also, why is it that all the Michaels that were on stage had curly hair and the Michael and only the Michael that worked beside Kenny in throughout had the straight hair. Did he wear the curly hair just for dancing and the straight hair for business only. Not once did we see the straight haired Michael perform :? :? :? .
So, if they used doubles, The looked axactly like MJ, and MJ supposed to be ''dead''. So where are they hiding now. They cant live as a normal person. They have to be someone who supposed to be 'dead'
And he also did some stunts in the movie "Grown ups" which has a trailer on "This is it". I dont think that means anything, but that just came to mind.
Not necessarily. Its just a job to them - they get paid to stand in for MJ.
have these doubles being mentioned on the credits of TII.
Mike might have had a stunt guy (though not a double as such) for the smooth criminal stair thing. is a stunt guy mentioned?
Well, on Imdb there is one person mentioned in ''Stunts'' http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3022920/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3022920/) Randy Haynie
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imbd says:
Red Dawn (2010) (post-production) (utility stunts)
Grown Ups (2010) (post-production) (stunt rigger) (utility stunts)
Jonah Hex (2010) (post-production) (stunts)
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time (2010) (completed) (head stunt rigger) (utility stunts)
... aka Prince of Persia (USA: short title)
This Is It (2009) (stunts)
... aka Michael Jackson's This Is It (USA: complete title)
... aka Michael Jackson's This Is It: The IMAX Experience (USA:
http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com/thisisit/credits.php (http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com/thisisit/credits.php)
King of Pop
Michael Jackson
This Is It!
The Time Has Come
It is now i see and feel that calling once again, to be part of a music that will not just connect but, make all feel one, one in joy, one in pain, one in love, one in service and in consciousness.
~ Michael Jackson
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Live Show Creative Team
Created by Michael Jackson and Kenny Ortega
Directed by Kenny Ortega and Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson and Travis Payne
Choreography
Travis Payne
Associate Director
Michael Cotten
Production & Stage Design
Patrick Woodroffe
Lighting Designer
Robb Wagner
Screen Content Consultant
Stacy A. Walker
Assistant Choreographer
Tony Testa
Assistant Choreographer
James Phares
Assistant to Kenny Ortega
Alif Sankey
Associate Producer
Dondraico Johnson
2nd Assistant Choreagrapher
Brahim Rachiki
2nd Assistant Choreographer
Dreya Weber & Danielle Rueda-Watts
Associate Choreographers/Aerialists
Alexandra Apjarova
Aerialist
Karen Faye
Hair & Make-Up Designer to Michael Jackson
Lynda Parrish
Hair & Make-Up to Michael Jackson
Michael Bush
Costume Designer/Wardrobe Head
Dennis Tompkins
Costume Designer
Zaldy Goco
Costume Designer for Michael Jackson
Live Show Producers
Randy Phillips & Kenny Ortega
John Meglen & Paul Gongaware
Live Show Performers
Band
Michael Bearden
Musical Director/Keyboards
Bashiri “Bash” Johnson
Percussion
Jonathan “Sugarfoot” Moffett
Drums
Orianthi Panagaris
Guitar
Tommy Organ a/k/a “Tommy O”
Guitar
Alex Al
Electric and Synth Bass Guitar
Mo Pleasure
Keyboards/Tumpet
Dorian Holley
Vocal Director
Darryl Phinnessee
Vocalist
Ken Stacey
Vocalist
Judith Hill
Vocalist
Dancers
Nick Bass
Dancer
Daniel Celebre
Dancer
Mekia Cox
Dancer
Misha Gabriel
Dancer
Chris “Kryiss” Grant
Dancer
Shannon Holtzapffel
Dancer
Devin Andrew Jamieson
Dancer
Charles Klapow
Dancer
Dres Reid
Dancer
Tyne Stecklein
Dancer
Timor Steffens
Dancer
Reshma Gajjar
Dancer
Marie “Maryss From Paris” Courchinoux
Dancer
Tsivahiny “T-Vain” Rabemananjara
Dancer
Jasmine Alveran
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Michael Jackson Management & Advisors
Frank Dileo
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Michael Kane
Michael Jackson Business Manager
Dr Tohme R. Tohme
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John Branca (Ziffren Brittenham LLP)
Legal Counsel to Michael Jackson
Joel Katz (Greenberg Traurig LLP)
Legal Counsel to Michael Jackson
Richard Leher (Greenberg Traurig LLP)
Legal Counsel to Michael Jackson
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John “Bugzee” Hougdahl
Producton Manager
Timm Woolley
Tour Business Manager
Gordon Berg
Tour Director
Brigitte Segal
Tour Manager for Michael Jackson
Jesse Sandler
Tour Manager
David Loeffler
Production Associate
William Sheppell, Jr
Front of House Production Sound Mixer
Michael Durham Prince
Live Show Audio Supervisor
Scott Chase
Stage Manager
Michael Pirich
Monitor Engineer
Douglas Adams
Show Designer Pyrotechnics
Peter Blue
Head LED Screen Technician
Gordon Hyndford
Crew Chief
Greg Gish
Head Carpenter
Rich Gorrod
PRG Lighting Crew Chief
Bruce Green
Live Show Video Director
Danny Machado
Head Rigger
Ketih Uddin
Keyboard Technician & Backline Crew Chief
Abigail Franklin
Wardrobe and Dressing Room Supervisor
Mark Cunniffe
Lighting Programmer & Operator
Michael McKnight
Digital Performer Programmer
Chris Marsh
Audio Crew Chief MT
Brian Girard
Percussion Technician
Tim Myer
Keyboard Technician
Sauro Ciccola
Guitar Technician
Scott Eric Olivier
Bass Guitar Technician
Simon Kemp
Audio Technician
Dave Vinnicombe
Audio Technician
David Polich
Keyboard programmer
Demfis Fyssicopulos
Lighting Programmer
Chris Stigger
Video Engineer
Carl Popek
In Ear Monitor Audio Technician
Sixx Williams
LED Screen Technician
Tristan Ford
Pryo Technician
Victor Tomei
Pyro Technician
Noam Sigal
Pryo Technician
Jason McEachern
Pryo Technician
Emerson Wellens
Pyro Technician
Jason Bridges
Laser Technician
Dale Bryant II
Carpenter
Ken Bonnet
Carpenter
Phil Perry
Carpenter
Paul Sadler
Electrician
Jacqueline Hutchinson
Screen Content
Annie Eifrig
Screen Content
Ellen Chi
Screen Content
Dennis Kornegay
Screen Content
Jordan Halsey
Screen Content
Scott Pagano
Screen Content
C. Randall White
Show Caller
Steve Genovese
Motion Control
Marc Knowles
Motion Control
Sean Garcia
Props and Assistant to Wardrobe Head
Virginia Hougdahl
Seamstress
Cassandra Hougdahl
Wardrobe
Neal Vanson
Projectionist
Micky Keel
Dressing Room Assistant
Yvette Alveran
Jasmine Alveran's Guardian
Additional Production Crew
Simon Kemp
Audio Technician
Tim Patterson
Documentary Videographer
Sandrine Orabona
Documentary Videographer
Adam Basset
Associate Lighting Designer
Miriam Evans
Assistant to Patrick Woodroffe
JoAnn “JT” Tominaga
Music Contract/Coordinator
Robert Cooper
Lighting Technician
Rob Simoneaux
Lighting Technician
Jason Winfree
Lighting Technician
Drew Johnston
Lighting Technician
Will McConnel
Lighting Technician
James Keegan
Lighting Technician
Tom Bider
Lighting Technician
Doug Eder
Lighting Technician
Michael Farese
Rigging Designer
Steve Armstrong
Rigger
Tim Contreras
Rigger
John Vanderwende
Staging Technician
Kevin Flagg
Staging Technician
Clint Lockyer
Drum Technician
John Douglas
Drum Technician
Mark Newman
Guitar Technician
Jonathan Fuller
Bass Guitar Technician
Bob Rice
Keyboard Programmer
Craig Johnson
Pro-Tools Transfers
William 'Tal' Miller
Pro-Tools Transfers
Mike Ging
Pro-Tools Transfers
Frances Miranda
Audiologist
Lisa Tannenbaum
Audiologist
George Garcia
Props Assistant
James Kroning
Props Acquisition
Darin Haggard
Ped Camera
Greg Reynolds
Ped Camera
John D'Avignon
Handheld Camera
Chris Stigger
Video Engineer
Robbie Knouse
Additional Cameras
Greg Harrington
Additional Cameras
Andrea Dietrich
Storyboarder
Clyde Haygood
Lead Cast Hair & Wig Design
Larry McDaniel
First Assistant Cast Hair & Wig Design
Rashida Foster
Assistant Cast Hair & Wig Design
Randy Stodghill
Assistant Cast Hair & Wig Design
Mathu Andersen
Lead Cast Make-Up Design
Gabriel Geismar
Assistant Cast Make-Up Design
Jeffrey Baum
Assistant Cast Make-Up Design
Suzie Picozzi
Assistant Cast Make-Up Design
Miki Horii
Assistant Designer to Zaldy Goco
Adam Selman
Assistant Designer to Zaldy Goco
Desi Santiago Assistant Designer to Zaldy Goco
Jay Harris
Assistant Designer to Zaldy Goco
Nalini
Assistant Designer to Zaldy Goco
Shelby Scudder
Assistant Designer to Zaldy Goco
Erin 'Topaz' Lareau
Costume Stylist
Katina Le Kerr
Assistant to Topaz
Nicole Spini
Costume Acquisition
Jennifer Rade
Costume Stylist
Rushka Bergman
Personal Stylist for Michael Jackson
Carmel Lobello
Assistant to Jennifer Rade
Manijeh Teymouri
Tailor to Jennifer Rade
David 'Elsewhere' Bernal
Movement Coach
Irina Brecher
Ballet Instructor
Jonathan Rice
Catwalk Technique Instructor
Lou Ferrigno
Conditioning Coach
Seth Riggs
Vocal Instructor to Michael Jackson
Anthony Natale
Vocal Coach
Greg Chamberlain IP/New Media Coordinator
Bruce Somers
Computer I.T. Coordinator
Adriane Biondo
Production Assistant
Eddie Williamson
Production Assistant
Charlie Hajek
Production Assistant
John Cordaro
Production Assistant
Brooke Stanley
Production Assistant
Simone Tohl
Production Assistant
Carol Workman
Production Assistant
Garland Hunt
Production Assistant
Aisha Francis
Production Assistant
Michael Jackson wanted to thank the Choreographers who collaborated with him on past works
Michael Peeters
Vincent Patterson
George Burge (Bad)
LaVelle Smith, Jr
Barry Lather (Ghosts)
Courtney Miller, Jr.
Talaluega Bros (Ghosts)
Travis Payne
Additional Uk Production Crew
Richard Douglas
UK Chief of security for Michael Jackson
Gary Stabana
UK Personal Chauffeur for Michael Jackson
Paul Missing
Interior Decorator for Michael Jackson
Alison Castella
Interior Decorator for Michael Jackson
Kim Davenport
Interior Decorator for Michael Jackson
Rosa D'Alessandro
Housing Coordinator for Michael Jackson
Damien Wasylkiw
UK Documentary Videographer
Phil Stoole
UK Documentary Videographer
Alan Edwards
UK Publicist
Celina Aponte
UK Publicist
Michael Jackson Live Show Touring Staff
Miko Brando
Personal Assistant to Michael Jackson
Michael Williams
Personal Assistant to Michael Jackson
Alberto Alvarez Jr.
Personal Security to Michael Jackson
Darick Cleveland
Personal Security to Michael Jackson
Faheem Muhammad
Personal Security to Michael Jackson
Roselyn Muhammad
Personal Assistant to Michael Jackson
AEG
Timothy J. Leiweke
President and Chief Executive Officer
Dan Beckerman
Chief Operating Officer/Chief Financial Officer
Ted Fikre
Chief Legal and Development Officer
Michael Goldfine
Senior Vice President Content Development
Carla Garcia
Assistant to Tim J. Leiweke
Team AEG Live LA
Randy Phillips
President and CEO AEG Live
John Meglen
Co-CEO AEG Live/Concerts West
Paul Gongaware
Co-CEO AEG Live/Concerts West
Tom Miserendino
Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer
Shawn Trell
Senior Vice President and General Counsel
Rick Webking
Chief Financial Officer
Amy Morrison
Show Advertising and Promotion
Joyce Szudzik
Website Desigm
Allison Latham
Associate Counsel
Madeline Schilder
Vice President and Associate General Counsel
Jason Bernstein
Associate Counsel
Julie Hollander
Vice President Controller Event Operations Finance
Cindy Medina
Finance Manager
Rachel Galaviz
Assistant to Rick Webking and Julie Hollander
Andrew Feldman
Video Archivist
Arlyne Lewiston
Assistant to Randy Phillips
Kelly DiStefano
Assistant to Paul Gongaware
Kathy Jorrie (Luce Forward Hamilton & Scripp LLP)
Legal Counsel for AEG Live
Team AEG UK
Jessica Koravos
Managing Director
David Campbell
President and CEO AEG Europe
Rob Hallett
President International Touring
Luke Flynn
General Counsel
Chris Kangis
Legal Counsel
Anna Weiss
Legal Counsel
Sarah McGuigan
Legal Counsel
Colin Chapple
Director Finance and Operations
Keith Wood
Senior Production Manager
Ada O'Donoghue
Executive Assistant to the President of AEG Europe
Jo Severs
Production Assistant
Renee Adams
Assitant to the President International Touring
Stephen Edun
Financial Controller
Lucy O'Neill
Management Accountant
Rowena Webber
Management Accountant
Tara Vickers
Assistant to Managing Director
Zane Rambaran
Director of Touring
Svetlana Scheck Ramzy
Director of Marketing
Dome Project
Robb Wagner
Producer “Earth Song” “Smooth Criminal” and “Thriller” Short Films
Bruce Jones
Visual Effects Supervisor “Earth Song” “Smooth Criminal” and “Thriller” Short Films
“Earth Song” Short Fim Cast
Jasmine Alveran
Rain Forest Girl
Kimberly Duarte
Rain Forest Girl Double #1
Alana Gordillo
Rain Forest Girl Double #2
George Bolton
Tractor Driver
“Thriller” Short Film Cast
Nick Bass
Mummy #1
Daniel Celebre
Mummy #2
Mekia Cox
Bride #1
Chris “Kryiss” Grant
Gentlemen Zombie
Misha Hamilton
Napoleon Zombie
Shannon Holtzapffel
Mummy #3
Devin Andrew Jamieson
Zombie
Charles Klapow
Civil War Zombie
Dres Reid
Louis XIV Zombie
Tyne Stecklein
Bride #2
Timor Steffens
Mummy #4
Jack Donner
Grave Digger
Danielle Rueda-Watts
Aerial Bride #1
Mam Smith
Aerial Bride #2
Colin Follenweider
Hanging Stunt Ghost
Tad Griffith
Brunhilde Stunt Ghost
Paul E. Short
Drunk Stunt Ghost
John Cygan
Vincent Price Double
Joe Giles
Long Hair Zombie
Grady Holder Dirt Zombie
Dawn Dininger
Dead Sister #1
Darlene Wright
Dead Sister #2
“Smooth Criminal” Short Film Cast
Michael Jackson
The Smooth Criminal
John Tobin
Gangster
Misha Hamilton
The Smooth Criminal Double
“Drill (They Don’t Really Care About Us)” Video Cast
Nick Bass
Dancer
Daniel Celebre
Dancer
Chris “Kryiss” Grant
Dancer
Misha Hamilton
Dancer
Shannon Holtzapffel
Dancer
Devin Andrew Jamieson
Dancer
Charles Klapow
Dancer
Dres Reid
Dancer
Timor Steffens
Dancer
Tony Testa
Dancer
“The Way You Make Me Feel” Video Cast
Nick Bass
Dancer
Daniel Celebre
Dancer
Chris “Kryiss” Grant
Dancer
Misha Hamilton
Dancer
Shannon Holtzapffel
Dancer
Devin Andrew Jamieson
Dancer
Charles Klapow
Dancer
Dres Reid
Dancer
Timor Steffens
Dancer
Tony Testa
Dancer
Colin Follenweider
Stunt Dancer
“World Hands” Video Cast
Jasmine Alveran
Short Film and Visual Effects Crew
Craig Conolly
Line Producer/UPM
Joe Camp III
1st AD
Richard Oswald
2nd AD
Andrew Ward
2nd 2nd AD
Ian Wolf
1st AD 2nd Unit
Paul Sanchez
Director of Photography
Bernt Capra
Production Designer
Jordanna Fineberg
Costume Designer
William Budge
Art Director
Carl Stensel
Set Designer
Diana Goodwin
Art Dept. Coordinator
Nicole Löbart
Conceptual Artist
Kim Marks
A Camera Operator
Jamie Felz
A Camera 1st AC
Larissa Supplitt
A Camera 2nd AC
Beck Hoen
A Camera 2nd AC
Robin Bursey
Utility
Andrew Degnan
A Camera Convergence AC
Chris Squires
B Camera / Steadicam Operator
Rick Page
B Camera 1st AC
Gary Johnson
B Camera 2nd AC
Garret Shannon
Utility
Doug Price
B Camera Convergence AC
John Stradling
2nd Unit 1st AC
James Jermyn
2nd Unit 2nd AC
Jeff Stewart
2nd Unit Utility
Rodney Taylor
Phantom Camera Operator
Carlos Lopez-Calleja
Phantom 1st AC
Patrick Jones
Phantom 2nd AC
Michelle DeLorimier
Phantom Tech/D.I.T.
Ryan Sheridan
3D On Set Engineer
PACE
3D Camera System
Jeff Rios
Pace Systems Tech
Nick Theodorakis
D.I.T.
Ryan Nguyen
Additional D.I.T.
Bob Kertesz
Additional D.I.T.
Ric Ellingson
Set Photographer
Sid Yost
Animal Wrangler
Tracy Oliver
Animal Wrangler
Kelly Wise
Animal Wrangler
Kevin Allen
Animal Wrangler
Matt Martin
Animal Wrangler
Sid Yost and Amazing Animal Actors
Animals Provided
Shanice Anderson
DGA Trainee
Alexis Schmidtberger
DGA Trainee
Sande Allesi
Casting
Kristan Berona
Casting
Laurent Marchand of Laurent’s Catering LLC.
Catering
Abraham Montemayor Chef
Oscar Alcaraz Chef Assistant
Alam Mork
Catering Assistant
Albert Alcaraz
Catering Assistant
Chris Winn
Craft Service
Eric Winn
Assistant Craft Service
John Hoskins
Construction Coordinator
Travis Huffman
Foreman
Ken Jones
Standby Painter
Renee Hazelton
Costume Supervisor
Leah Brown
Costume Supervisor
Lisa Hyde
Set Costumer
Niki Spina
Set Costumer
Nora Pedersen
Set Costumer
Elizabeth Abate
Set Costumer
Meredith Harris
Set Costumer
Dorothy Lawson
Set Costumer
Tyra Youland
Set Costumer
Kristin Anaker
2nd Unit Set Costumer
Maria Smith
Ager / Dyer
Bob Finley
Gaffer
Dale Balani
Best Boy Electric
Andrew Dorowsky
Electric
Marc Bussio
Electric
Mike Anderson
Electric
Kyle Kovacs
Electric / Dimmer Board Operator
Dan Purinton
Rigging Gaffer
Bob Waers
Rigging Best Boy
Todd Grundburger
Rigging Best Boy
Phil Sloan
Key Grip
Doug Wall
2nd Unit Key Grip
Steve Foss
1st Unit Grip
Chris Streipek
2nd Unit Grip
Paul Wilkowsky
Best Boy Grip
Todd Griffith
Dolly Grip
Tim Collins
Dolly Grip
Richard Kuhn
2nd Unit Dolly Grip
Richard Ayotte
Grip
Mark Vollmer
Grip
Scott Oderman
Grip
Robert Chihello
Grip
Joel Bystrom
Grip
Robert Reilly
Grip
Mitch Willard
Grip
Jim Wickman
Grip
Derlin Brynford-Jones
Technocrane Operator
Paul Vought
Technocrane Tech
Michael Pagen
Leveling Head Tech
Tracy Neftzger
Rigging Key Grip
Joy Zapata
Hairstylist
Candace Neal
Hairstylist
Ora Green
Hairstylist
Yuko
Hairstylist
Larry McDaniel
Hair Assistant
Randy Stodghill
Hair Assistant
Mandi Ann Crane
Makeup Artist
Elanore Sabaduquia
Makeup Artist
Teeresa Vest
Makeup Artist
KNB EFX Group, Inc.
Special EFX Makeup
James Kroning
Property Master
Leslie Warren
Assistant Props
Julia Tasker
Script Supervisor
Dawn Dreiling
2nd Unit Script Supervisor
Donald Elmblad
Set Decorator
John Gomez
Leadman
Frank Bertolino
Set Dresser
Tim Fassino
Set Dresser
James Bolle
Set Dresser
Matt Wahl
Set Dresser
Justin Gavejian
Set Dresser
David Gordon
Set Draper
Tim Hays
Sound Mixer & Playback Operator
Brian McKinney
Boom Operator
Chuck Buch
2nd Unit Sound Mixer
John Evans
2nd Unit Boom Operator
Chuck Buch
2nd Unit Playback Operator
John Frazier
SFX Coordinator
Jim Schwalm
SFX Coordinator
Bruce Hayes
SFX Technician
Richi Schwalm
SFX Technician
Jonney Tang
SFX Technician
Chris Burton
SFX Technician
Jim Thomas
SFX Technician
Fxperts, Inc.
SFX Fabrication
Pat Jackson
Studio Teacher
Judy Brown
Studio Teacher
Scott Rogers
Stunt Coordinator
Mickey Giacomazzi
Stunt Coordinator
Peter Simpson
Stunt Rigger
Patrick Daily
Stunt Rigger
Randy Haynie
Stunt Rigger
Mario Simon
Transportation Captain / Coordinator
Norma Leonard
Assistant Transportation Coordinator
George Bolton
Driver
Mark Holmes
Driver
Justin Pagle
Driver
Chuck Buch
2nd Unit Playback Operator
Chris “Fish” Shadley
Video Assist & Playback
Cary Carraway
2 Axis MO System Head
Paul Maples
Motion Control Operator
Chris Paxson
Motion Control Tech
Rich Cogswell
Video Assist for Motion Control Unit
Dan Ondrejko
Greens Foreman
Rick Jones
Greens Foreman
Jeff Thomas
Greensman
Raul Puentes
Greensman
Carlo Basail
Greensman
Rich Lepone
Greensman
Simon Fuchs
Post Production Supervisor
Nancy Kirhoffer Post Production Supervisor
Jussi Tuggelman
Sound Design
Annie Eifrig
Digital Content Specialist
Mike Jackson
Editor
Joseph Virzi
Editor
Sean Keenan
Editor
David Brock
Assistant Editor
Fotokem Digital Film Services
Digital Intermediate
Bruce Jones
Visual Effects Supervisor
Karin Joy
Visual Effects Producer
Todd Cogan
3D Producer / Stereographer
Jonathan O'Brien
Visual Effects Coordinator
Krista Allain
Visual Effects Coordinator
Andrew Ryan Turner
Visual Effects Editor
David Conley
Visual Effects Consultant
Ryan Sheridan
3D Technical Manager
Dennis Kornegay
Digital Workflow Consultant
Janice Lee
Digital Compositor
Eric Evans
Digital Compositor
Steve Wilson
Digital Compositor
Robert Beebe
Digital Artist
Jordan Halsey
Digital Artist
Robert Kopp
Digital Artist
Scott Pagano
Digital Artist
Laurent Ben-Mimoun
Matte Painter
Cinesoup
Visual Effects
Entity FX
Visual Effects
Furious FX
Visual Effects
Howey Digital
Visual Effects
IE Effects
Visual Effects
Luma Pictures
Visual Effects
Rising Sun Pictures
Visual Effects
IT Creative Services Inc.
Design & Animation
Stimulated, Inc.
Design & Animation
3D Eye Solutions
2D to 3D Conversions
Legend Films 2D to 3D Conversions
Aimee Flaherty
Production Supervisor
Terrence Martin
Production Coordinator
Dan Parker
Assistant Production Coordinator
Jacqueline Hutchinson
Associate Producer - Stimulated, Inc.
Jamie MacPherson
Associate Producer - Stimulated, Inc.
Rebekah Parr
Production Secretary
Alex Candia
Production Assistant
Sean Bradley
Production Assistant
Angela McDowell
Production Assistant
Andrew Ahn
Production Assistant
Cody Williams
Production Assistant
Danielle Bryce
Production Assistant
Keith Blaser
Production Assistant
Jake Gilbert
Production Assistant
Amy Hollenberg
Production Assistant
Adam Remolacio
Production Assistant
Kevin Clary
Production Assistant
Tim Tortora
CFO
Joseph Rosar
Controller
Sherice Chandler
Production Accountant
Nancy Ramey
1st Assistant Accountant
Frank Ramey
Accounting Clerk
Jasmine Mohamed
Assistant to Bruce Jones
Visual Effects by Entity FX
Mat Beck
Senior VFX Supervisor
Brian Harding
VFX Supervisor
Daniel Rucinski
Executive Producer
Ellyn Lewis
General Manager
Trent Smith
VFX Producer
Krista Maryanski
VFX Producer
Jack Lilburn
VFX Assoc Producer
Bob Hamel
VFX Coordinator
Eli Jarra
Senior Compositor
Dave Franks
Senior Compositor
Rob Reinhart
Compositor
Jeremy Renteria
Compositor
Robb Ozaeto
Compositor
Brandon Flyte
Compositor
Brandy Handelman
Compositor
Paul Santagada
Compositor
Martha Soehendra
Compositor
Chad Reder
2D Intern
Ricky Martinez
3D Intern
David Alexander
3D Lead Artist
Mike “Pharoah” Barrett
3D Artist
Rik Panero
3D Artist
Kaz Yoshida
3D Artist
Junji Hirano
3D Artist
Andrea Shear
3D Artist
Michele Bertolini
3D intern
Silvia Colonna Romano
3D intern
Martin Lorenz
3D intern
Viet Nguyen
Systems Engineering
Nate Smalley
Data I/O
Aaron Leichter
Data I/O
Visual Effects by I.E. Effects
Aaron Kaminar
VFX Supervisor
David Kenneth
VFX/3D Producer
Christina Caldwell
Post Supervisor
Ray Mupas
Lead 3D Editor
Leo Mucino
VFX Editor
Bob Amaral
Compositor
Glenn Porter
Compositor
Joe Silva
Roto Artist
John Owens
Roto Artist
Glen Bennette
Sr. Flame Artist
Simon Holden
Flame Artist
Steve Kaplan
Facial Tracking
Ray Mupas
Lead 3D Editor
Leo Mucino
VFX Editor
Ken Pelligrino
Modeler
Bob Amaral
Compositor
Glenn Porter
Compositor
Joe Silva
Roto Artist
John Owens
Roto Artist
Glen Bennette
Sr. Flame Artist
Simon Holden
Flame Artist
Kevin Culhane
Character Animator
Ella Avetissian
Coordinator
Kyunghoon Bae
Compositor
Daniel Dod
Modeler
Sarah M. Bavero
Co-Producer
Nickolas Stevens
Modeler
Justin T. Lewers
Modeler
Byron Werner
DP (Motion Capure shoot)
Isidro Pineda
Camera Tech Operator
Alison Gladieux
Make up Artist
Visual Effects by Luma Pictures
Payam Shohadai
Executive Visual Effects Supervisor
Vincent Cirelli
Visual Effects Supervisor
Steven Swanson
VFX Supervising Producer
Steve Griffith
VFX Producer
Justin Johnson
Digital Effects Supervisor
Oliver Arnold
CG Supervisor
H Haden Hammond
Sequence Supervisor
Marla Neto
Digital Coordinator
Justin Porter
Technical Coordinator
Katie Godwin
VFX Coordinator
Raphael A. Pimentel
Animation Supervisor
Elaine Wu
Animator
Thanapoom Siripopungul Character TD
Andy Burmeister
Matchmove Artist
Richard Sutherland
FX Artist
John Cassella
FX Artist
Safari Sosebee
Model/Texture Artist
Anthony Grant
Model/Texture Artist
Alexandre Cancado
Lead Compositing Artist
Jared Simeth
Lighting & Compositing Artist
James Waterson
Compositing Artist
Glenn Morris
Roto/Paint Supervisor
Jessica Bakke
Roto/Paint Artist
Chad Dombrova
Lead Pipeline TD
John Hazzard
Pipeline TD
Brent Hensarling
IT Department Lead
Drew Rosen
IT Department
Artin Matousian
IT Department
Visual Effects and Animation by Furious FX
David Lingenfelser
Executive Visual Effects Supervisor
Scott Dougherty
Executive Producer
Mark Shoaf
CG Supervisor
Tiffany A. Smith
Visual Effects Producer
Kevin Lingenfelser
Creative Supervisor
Erika Abrams
Production Coordinator
Valentin Sinlao
CG Artist
Eric Ehemann
CG Artist
Chris Mackinnon
CG Artist
Bryan Shepperd
CG Artist
Gregg Domain
CG Artist
Sean O’connor
Compositor
Tommy Tran
Compositor
Kimo Pepe
Compositor
Landon Medeiros
Compositor
Martin Hall
Compositor
Kristine Lankenau
Rotoscope Artist
Erin M. Cullen
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so there are a stunt double in smooth criminal misha hamilton
colin follenweider - stunt dancer - in the way you make me feel
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god knows how they were going to make any money with all these guys, must be via dvd
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http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/08/06/t ... ice-22560/ (http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/08/06/tv-stunt-with-michael-jackson-double-in-1988-fooled-berliners-_-and-east-german-secret-police-22560/)
stunt double in berlin
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http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz ... ouble.html (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz/michael_jackson/564869/double.html)
what was reported
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dangerous tour stunt double
jet pack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_pack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_pack)
On Michael Jackson's "Dangerous World Tour" from 1992 a stunt double flew a rocket pack at the end of the concerts.
[youtube:1ct9dmmg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JQknIMt6fk[/youtube:1ct9dmmg]
[youtube:1ct9dmmg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNcTsaAAkno&feature=related[/youtube:1ct9dmmg]
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http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz/michael_jackson/564869/double.html
what was reported
Thanks for the link...
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mj fan club
http://www.mjfanclub.net/mjforum373/sho ... p?p=378543 (http://www.mjfanclub.net/mjforum373/showthread.php?p=378543)
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some stunt men are not credited for there work
this is the second one i have seen not credited for stunt re mj
Shawn Lane
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0485554/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0485554/)
Moonwalker (1988) (stunts)
... aka Michael Jackson: Moonwalker (USA: promotional title)
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i posted this on another thread but in my opinion i think all the doubles in tii had a certain role to play. the media has said so many things about michael and he gave us a glimpse of all of them in the movie. they said that he was a homosexual and he showed us fairy boy as i have heard him called. the media said michael wanted to stay young forever and never grow old and he showed us a young looking michael. the media said that michael was childish so he showed us a bubble gum and sucker sucking kid and so on. as far as the doubles sounding like michael well comedians imitate stars all the time look at jamie foxx and his imitation of ray charles you cant tell the difference. so yes i do believe that michael used doubles in tii. i mean if you can turn a black man into a white man with makeup and no one knows the difference then why is it impossible to think that a person can be turned into michael with the help of makeup. this is just my opinion
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i will thus eat my hat
but i suppose its not such a shock
what next?
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mj fan club
http://www.mjfanclub.net/mjforum373/sho ... p?p=378543 (http://www.mjfanclub.net/mjforum373/showthread.php?p=378543)
thanks for the link, i'll consider reading it
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KO, i read said that there were no doubles - but does that include stunt doubles - so is he a liar?
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i dont know why i feel disappointment - i think i am naive
but still what does this mean for the hoax - apart from it would seem that he frequently used doubles
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http://www.tmz.com.news-channel.org/200 ... y-doubles/ (http://www.tmz.com.news-channel.org/2009/10/26/this-is-it-producers-no-mj-body-doubles/)
Posted Oct 26th 2009 1:28PM by TMZ Staff
The people behind "This Is It" are furious over reports that the Michael Jackson featured in the movie is a body double -- claiming those reports are "pure garbage."
The controversy began earlier this month after Joe Jackson claimed the media was going to "tear this movie apart" -- and insisted it was "mostly body doubles."
But a rep from Sony -- co-producers of the flick -- tells TMZ, "This story is pure garbage and there are no body doubles.
Audiences will begin to see the film tomorrow and every time they see The King of Pop they will know that every frame is unquestionably Michael as he rehearses and prepares for the London concerts that were to have begun this past summer."
Read more: http://www.tmz.com.news-channel.org/200 ... z0gUacoBWi (http://www.tmz.com.news-channel.org/2009/10/26/this-is-it-producers-no-mj-body-doubles/#ixzz0gUacoBWi)
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George P. Wilbur
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0928111/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0928111/)
Moonwalker (1988) (stunts)
... aka Michael Jackson: Moonwalker (USA: promotional title)
Jerry Brutsche
http://us.imdb.es/name/nm0116779/ (http://us.imdb.es/name/nm0116779/)
Moonwalker (1988) (stunts) (as Gerald Brutsche)
... aka Michael Jackson: Moonwalker (USA: promotional title)
http://www.filmreference.com/film/62/Joel-Kramer.html (http://www.filmreference.com/film/62/Joel-Kramer.html)
Moonwalker (also known as Michael Jackson: Moonwalker), 1988
Read more: http://www.filmreference.com/film/62/Jo ... z0gUfvxMw3 (http://www.filmreference.com/film/62/Joel-Kramer.html#ixzz0gUfvxMw3)
i am not sure if they are mikes doubles or general doubles in the production but they put aka
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http://mjkit.forumotion.net/michael-s-i ... -t2843.htm (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/michael-s-impersonators-f56/stand-in-hired-for-michael-jackson-movie-t2843.htm)
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this is interesting
http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/lofiver ... 40420.html (http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/lofiversion/index.php/t40420.html)
Good news for all Michael Jackson fans: although “This Is It” will be the King of Pop’s final “curtain call” as he himself announced, it may expand to more locations than just London’s O2 Arena, sources are saying. The 50 dates in London might be just a fraction of a three-year “master plan” that Michael has devised, with the US coming next, Kenny Ortega of the VegasDeluxe says.
When the singer announced the initial 10 dates of the “This Is It” tour, which kicks off this summer, speculation had it that he was only going to perform in the UK because his fanbase in Europe was much stronger than that in the US.
This is not to say that there are no MJ fans back in his home country, though, but just that he has more chances of success if he makes his comeback elsewhere. Now, Ortega shares, all signs are pointing to London being just a “warm up,” with the US coming up next, perhaps in the summer of 2010.
“It’s highly possible that Michael Jackson’s new 50-concert run in London is part of a three-year master plan that could net the King of Pop a staggering $500 million! […] There’s a solid rumor that when Michael’s first England run ends in September and resumes again there in January that he may well do a series of US concerts. Although AEG wants him to appear in Las Vegas, it’s more likely it will be in New York or L.A. where there are arenas with 15,000 to 20,000 seats. ‘The London ticket sales were really a testing of the waters,’ one source told me. ‘There’s no question that Michael and AEG are discussing a world tour now’.” Ortega writes.
Even if this turns out to be just wishful-thinking, Michael Jackson fans (those who have been quick enough to get their hands on a ticket, that is) will still have a blast at the UK series of performances. Reports in the industry claim that the singer is going the extra mile – and then some – to make sure that his shows top anything else the music industry has ever seen. This also includes illusions in the manner of reputed magician Criss Angel, which would have Michael float above the stage and then land on a specific spot, the aforementioned source reveals.
Other surprises would include, according to reports, many look-alikes that would dance and provide the wow factor, while also acting as diversions in case Michael grows tired. “A small army of Michael Jackson look-alike dancers might be recruited as a backup troupe to handle the more challenging routines so the 50-year-old singer won’t be strained during the nightly 100-minute production, his first since 1997.” Ortega adds. For more on what insiders have to say of Michael’s much-mediated comeback, including of his upcoming album, go here.
this post was made in March 2009
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http://mjconspiracy.50.forumer.com/view ... f=73&t=917 (http://mjconspiracy.50.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=917)
two smooth criminals on this page
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http://mjconspiracy.50.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=917
two smooth criminals on this page
Yeah, That is the stuntman. Mike is getting old u know! He is not jumping out a window! he is 50. We know he is MJ, but still. He needs that stuntman!
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I'm sorry, but I really don't understand how people can not see the differences between the different "Mikes" in This Is It, and I'm not talking about stuntmen. You only have to look to see the differences - ears, chins, lengths...just name it. Is it because they don't WANT to see the differences? I really don't get it...
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Who is hoaxing who
ko?!?
take us where we have never been before
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in the 6th sense
the boy says they only want to see what they want to see
maybe we only want to see what we want to see
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http://mjconspiracy.50.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=917
two smooth criminals on this page
Yeah, That is the stuntman. Mike is getting old u know! He is not jumping out a window! he is 50. We know he is MJ, but still. He needs that stuntman!
well he also had the pepsi horror
but why has there been such denials?
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I'm sorry, but I really don't understand how people can not see the differences between the different "Mikes" in This Is It, and I'm not talking about stuntmen. You only have to look to see the differences - ears, chins, lengths...just name it. Is it because they don't WANT to see the differences? I really don't get it...
I see the differences, since the beginin, but it is very very hard to explain in words. u just cant believe what u see. It is very strange.
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my view was mike wanted out of the 2 year contract, know it could be he was up for the 3 year contract
well frank said post death, that he talked to him post 25th june and that he still wanted to do the shows
so who knows
the question is will we be too disappointed to care ( i am feeling a bit down now) sorry
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Aside from the fairy dancing and awkward movements, orange pant's face totally does not look like MJ, you can tell right off its not him.
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so apart from making a killing at the box office - why publicise the TII opportunity to see mike like you have never seen him before
it was a fake
and why see the dvd
pp think they are seeing mike - who would pay for a fake - well i suppose we all would
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if mike is dead, instead of seeing him, we are fed a fake production?
what a eulogy aeg has given the king of pop- how could they do that to him
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I saw some early footage of MJ rehearsing from around the 80's and he move like the orange pants guy
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so joe jackson telling the truth, maybe we should look again at what he is saying with less critical eyes.
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i also heard that it was not mike singing in some scenes that it was post production
i dismissed this as rubbish - but its probably true?
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so whats the truth was mj too sick to go on or to sing in total
or was he just messing about
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i dont know - pre 25th he was alive and all i want to know is if he is alive now
the reasons for he hoax, well - thats down to him - i dont think i need to sit and work it out, because there are always two versions , what you want pp to hear and the truth.
this is a difficult road - you guys know that
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dangerous tour stunt double
jet pack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_pack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_pack)
On Michael Jackson's "Dangerous World Tour" from 1992 a stunt double flew a rocket pack at the end of the concerts.
[youtube:2vlr48br]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JQknIMt6fk[/youtube:2vlr48br]
[youtube:2vlr48br]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNcTsaAAkno&feature=related[/youtube:2vlr48br]
If this is hoax, which we all believe because we're here....Why on earth would he put the doubles names in the credits and identify them as doubles?????? Please explain.
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dangerous tour stunt double
jet pack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_pack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_pack)
On Michael Jackson's "Dangerous World Tour" from 1992 a stunt double flew a rocket pack at the end of the concerts.
[youtube:qxv8mvoj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JQknIMt6fk[/youtube:qxv8mvoj]
[youtube:qxv8mvoj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNcTsaAAkno&feature=related[/youtube:qxv8mvoj]
If this is hoax, which we all believe because we're here....Why on earth would he put the doubles names in the credits and identify them as doubles?????? Please explain.
There listed as ''Stunts'' that's Why
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guys i dont know the answers, i was just google searching to be helpful
i think i am very naive and that i am one of the pp who get fooled some of the time
the credits - legal reasons
but that is not what has been said by the promoters
have they been less than transparent?
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illusions and tricks
sounds like the hoax to me
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There listed as ''Stunts'' that's Why
So you're saying although we believe this whole thing is a hoax, they would put the body doubles (names) in the credits and still try and fool us into believing they were all Michael or use them as stunt men??? I just think that would be giving way to much information for a hoax. The other videos/performances where the stunt/lookalikes were used was not for the purpose of a hoax, so it was no problem to list their names. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but it doesn't add up. I know for a fact that extras used do not have their names listed under the credits, but yet some are paid for the work they've done. If the part was big enough. If these men were not in the credits........I'm sure with the money they would have gotten paid for this....names on credits would not have mattered. From what I understand credits are used as evidence of work as an actor/actress and is usually transferred to an actor's resume if they are not well known.
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guys i dont know the answers, i was just google searching to be helpful
i think i am very naive and that i am one of the pp who get fooled some of the time
the credits - legal reasons
but that is not what has been said by the promoters
have they been less than transparent?
I agree on you with the fact that I do not know all the answers either and I won't pretend to. But thats what we're here doing together, trying to find the answers. I realize that we all have different theories, but the way to find out the truth is to first question each other as to why we believe as we do in order to come to any conclusion.
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We are the World, double?
http://[url=http][img]http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6134/wearetheworld.jpg[/img][/url]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD9UxqDjp5g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD9UxqDjp5g) (B,C)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8dfwQEWDvI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8dfwQEWDvI) (A,D)
...and BAD
http://[url=http][img]http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7802/bada.jpg[/img][/url]
1:53 comes the other
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbd0wxGH_Lw&feature=fvw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbd0wxGH_Lw&feature=fvw)
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We are the World, double?
http://[url=http][img]http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6134/wearetheworld.jpg[/img][/url]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD9UxqDjp5g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD9UxqDjp5g) (B,C)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8dfwQEWDvI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8dfwQEWDvI) (A,D)
...and BAD
http://[url=http][img]http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7802/bada.jpg[/img][/url]
1:53 comes the other
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbd0wxGH_Lw&feature=fvw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbd0wxGH_Lw&feature=fvw)
Thanks for sharing that wendst6...
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i posted this on another thread but in my opinion i think all the doubles in tii had a certain role to play. the media has said so many things about michael and he gave us a glimpse of all of them in the movie. they said that he was a homosexual and he showed us fairy boy as i have heard him called. the media said michael wanted to stay young forever and never grow old and he showed us a young looking michael. the media said that michael was childish so he showed us a bubble gum and sucker sucking kid and so on. as far as the doubles sounding like michael well comedians imitate stars all the time look at jamie foxx and his imitation of ray charles you cant tell the difference. so yes i do believe that michael used doubles in tii. i mean if you can turn a black man into a white man with makeup and no one knows the difference then why is it impossible to think that a person can be turned into michael with the help of makeup. this is just my opinion
I still think that is always him, acting like a child, acting like a young looking michael, acting like a fairy boy... you know...
like in nthe press conference at london, was acting strange, carefullyh with words, smiling like if he was hidding something... was the beggining of this hoax!
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Don't forget the drug addict (O2 shirt guy) and the emaciated frail old man (pointy shoulder jacket guy).
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Don't forget the drug addict (O2 shirt guy) and the emaciated frail old man (pointy shoulder jacket guy).
he already has a nickname (penguin suit guy)
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Don't forget the drug addict (O2 shirt guy) and the emaciated frail old man (pointy shoulder jacket guy).
he already has a nickname (penguin suit guy)
Well I like pointy shoulder jacket guy as his nickname. I'm just a pain in the ass that way, lol.
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I saw some early footage of MJ rehearsing from around the 80's and he move like the orange pants guy
I thought the same thing..... from the 80's!
We are being shown the ambulance pic and now movies, of MJ resembling him from the 80's.
To me this isn't looking right. I remember an interview with MJ and he said that he liked movies because you can show show the viewer exactly what you want them to see.
That orange pant MJ did seem so energetic and had dance moves MJ did in the 80's. This seemed more of a put on or a show.
The parts I thought were really MJ in TII, he seemed, at least to me, a little tired and out of breath, not as energetic as orange pants MJ. This seemed more real for me since it is over 20 years later.
My wife isn't a big MJ fan, and when she saw orange pant MJ, she said right away that it wasn't him.
Sometimes we must go by our first impressions.
I really don't think orange pants was him.
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I saw some early footage of MJ rehearsing from around the 80's and he move like the orange pants guy
I thought the same thing..... from the 80's!
We are being shown the ambulance pic and now movies, of MJ resembling him from the 80's.
To me this isn't looking right. I remember an interview with MJ and he said that he liked movies because you can show show the viewer exactly what you want them to see.
That orange pant MJ did seem so energetic and had dance moves MJ did in the 80's. This seemed more of a put on or a show.
The parts I thought were really MJ in TII, he seemed, at least to me, a little tired and out of breath, not as energetic as orange pants MJ. This seemed more real for me since it is over 20 years later.
My wife isn't a big MJ fan, and when she saw orange pant MJ, she said right away that it wasn't him.
Sometimes we must go by our first impressions.
I really don't think orange pants was him.
Funny you should say that, my hubby and myself thought the opposite - we thought Orange Pants did not look as fluid or energetic as the other MJ, therefore, we think Orange Pants is a double. However, upon looking through the DVD last night, I notice two lots of Orange Pants guys - one tired looking and less fluid, one more like the real MJ. So I am now thinking that there are two Orange Pants MJs - one real and one a double. :mrgreen:
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mike said in TII something about 4 years to get it right or something, will if he was going on tour after the TII 02 residency then it may have been 4 years with the rehearsals
i also heard that he was only supposed to be on the stage for 17 minutes a night - i dismissed this as rubbish, but it may well have been the case given the doubles and stunt doubles the other entertainers (magic), the film footage and 3D stuff etc
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i suppose i stand alone here, i am being honest though - an not knocking anyone or mj
but i do feel a little cheated now that i have come to accept that he heavily used doubles in his work
i hope this will pass. :|
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on the TINI website, there are some pictures that they took with mj on days of his rehearsals. in all the pictures he has curly hair and the clothes he is wearing, except for one (orange pants guy) doesnt match any of the clothes we saw in TII. . . .
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on the TINI website, there are some pictures that they took with mj on days of his rehearsals. in all the pictures he has curly hair and the clothes he is wearing, except for one (orange pants guy) doesnt match any of the clothes we saw in TII. . . .
maybe u can post a link or something? I want to see those pics!
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I'm sorry, but I really don't understand how people can not see the differences between the different "Mikes" in This Is It, and I'm not talking about stuntmen. You only have to look to see the differences - ears, chins, lengths...just name it. Is it because they don't WANT to see the differences? I really don't get it...
As one of those who feels that TII is all Michael and no doubles, then I have to say "No", it isn't because I don't want to see it. I just DON'T see it. Period. Personal opinion is what it comes down to.
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The film has been cleverly edited to make it very difficult to spot the differences. I believe, however, that these differences are there.
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on the TINI website, there are some pictures that they took with mj on days of his rehearsals. in all the pictures he has curly hair and the clothes he is wearing, except for one (orange pants guy) doesnt match any of the clothes we saw in TII. . . .
maybe u can post a link or something? I want to see those pics!
here's the link. you have to scroll right down
http://www.this-is-not-it.com/en/testimonies.html (http://www.this-is-not-it.com/en/testimonies.html)
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I'm sorry, but I really don't understand how people can not see the differences between the different "Mikes" in This Is It, and I'm not talking about stuntmen. You only have to look to see the differences - ears, chins, lengths...just name it. Is it because they don't WANT to see the differences? I really don't get it...
As one of those who feels that TII is all Michael and no doubles, then I have to say "No", it isn't because I don't want to see it. I just DON'T see it. Period. Personal opinion is what it comes down to.
hi rowdy, i was with you - as you could see from previous threads, but on this thread i did a bit of research and you can see he used doubles and stunt doubles you will also note comments from KO about mike have alot of available double just in case he got tired, it is with a lot of regret that i have come to the conclusion that it is true.
i am not trying to convince you though - just sharing.
the thing is that these doubles look pretty convincing -
i admit i do feel cheated.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/ju ... n-obituary (http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jun/26/michael-jackson-obituary)
"Even then, there were wild stories: one persistent one was that Jackson, who had been looking increasingly frail and was said to be suffering from skin cancer, was only contractually obliged to appear onstage for 13 minutes at each show. Like so much else about him, it may have been true, but it was probably just razzle-dazzle. His children survive him."
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michael - suffering stage fright? an explanation for the 13mins
Micheal Jackson's Stage Fright!
Nov 16, 2006 ? By H.A.R. ? Filed Under: Michael Jackson Share
Last night at the World Music Awards, Micheal Jackson performed to UK audiences for the first time in 9 years! But it wasn't easy for the King of Pop to make a come back, he actually suffered from stage fright!
If it wasn't for Beyonce, who went backstage & tried her best to comfort Jackson, he might have never set his foot on that stage! It was after 30 minutes of waiting that Jackson appeared & sang to a backing tape playing We Are the World.
Jackson was supposed to sing a remake of Thriller after receiving a Diamond Award for selling more than 100 million albums, but he didn't!
The ceremony, hosted by Lindsay Lohan, also featured performances by Beyoncé, Mary J. Blige & Andrea Boccelli.
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who is this
who is estona?
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who is this
not Michael :lol:
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who is this
not Michael :lol:
you see how i get fooled
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i think estona is some kind of pic shop
but who would you say this is?
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i think estona is some kind of pic shop
but who would you say this is?
02 guy
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i think estona is some kind of pic shop
but who would you say this is?
IMO Michael
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who is this
who is estona?
It looks like a wax statue IMO, if you look at his arms and hands.. Sorry if I'm wrong. :lol:
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i suppose i stand alone here, i am being honest though - an not knocking anyone or mj
but i do feel a little cheated now that i have come to accept that he heavily used doubles in his work
i hope this will pass. :|
Lol.....I was thinking the same thing! Also, see how well he slipped out of sight behind stage for the double to come in and take his place.....so he knows the art of disappearing very well for a double to take his place.....hmmm, Sly Michael! Seeing that reinforced my hoax belief even more.
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The film has been cleverly edited to make it very difficult to spot the differences. I believe, however, that these differences are there.
I believe this also, thats why it's all choppy with so many cut scenes and pratically no close ups.
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I'm sorry, but I really don't understand how people can not see the differences between the different "Mikes" in This Is It, and I'm not talking about stuntmen. You only have to look to see the differences - ears, chins, lengths...just name it. Is it because they don't WANT to see the differences? I really don't get it...
As one of those who feels that TII is all Michael and no doubles, then I have to say "No", it isn't because I don't want to see it. I just DON'T see it. Period. Personal opinion is what it comes down to.
hi rowdy, i was with you - as you could see from previous threads, but on this thread i did a bit of research and you can see he used doubles and stunt doubles you will also note comments from KO about mike have alot of available double just in case he got tired, it is with a lot of regret that i have come to the conclusion that it is true.
i am not trying to convince you though - just sharing.
the thing is that these doubles look pretty convincing -
i admit i do feel cheated.
Looking at how he used doubles and how the crowd never noticed because they were so excited, he could have easily done 50 concerts and just performed only minutes himself.
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I'm sorry, but I really don't understand how people can not see the differences between the different "Mikes" in This Is It, and I'm not talking about stuntmen. You only have to look to see the differences - ears, chins, lengths...just name it. Is it because they don't WANT to see the differences? I really don't get it...
As one of those who feels that TII is all Michael and no doubles, then I have to say "No", it isn't because I don't want to see it. I just DON'T see it. Period. Personal opinion is what it comes down to.
hi rowdy, i was with you - as you could see from previous threads, but on this thread i did a bit of research and you can see he used doubles and stunt doubles you will also note comments from KO about mike have alot of available double just in case he got tired
So it was supposed to use doubles at the live show, just in case Michael could get tired! HAHA!
I really don't get it what he's saying.
This statement just convinced me one more time, that TII was supposed to be a movie, not a concert
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i think estona is some kind of pic shop
but who would you say this is?
Hard to say...maybe Michael outside or my beloved O2 dude outside. (http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Liebe/smilie_love_160.gif)
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I'm sorry, but I really don't understand how people can not see the differences between the different "Mikes" in This Is It, and I'm not talking about stuntmen. You only have to look to see the differences - ears, chins, lengths...just name it. Is it because they don't WANT to see the differences? I really don't get it...
As one of those who feels that TII is all Michael and no doubles, then I have to say "No", it isn't because I don't want to see it. I just DON'T see it. Period. Personal opinion is what it comes down to.
hi rowdy, i was with you - as you could see from previous threads, but on this thread i did a bit of research and you can see he used doubles and stunt doubles you will also note comments from KO about mike have alot of available double just in case he got tired, it is with a lot of regret that i have come to the conclusion that it is true.
i am not trying to convince you though - just sharing.
the thing is that these doubles look pretty convincing -
i admit i do feel cheated.
Looking at how he used doubles and how the crowd never noticed because they were so excited, he could have easily done 50 concerts and just performed only minutes himself.
exactly so why not comply with his contractual obligation, or didn't he want to attend the london residency and the subsequent world tour even it meant that he would be on stage for only a few minutes on the nights booked which as i understand it for the london residency was 2/3 times aweek. Was it the 2007 court case/ statement all over again?
he said that he was booked to do 10 shows but the contract states over 30, so why did he say that - he signed the contract - or was it as said previously the 2007 court case/statement repeating itself.
i find it hard to reconcile his actions and words
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http://news.softpedia.com/news/AEG-Live ... 5829.shtml (http://news.softpedia.com/news/AEG-Live-Insurance-Covered-Overdose-for-Michael-Jackson-115829.shtml)
"AEG Live Insurance Covered Overdose for Michael JacksonBut not death of natural causes By Elena Gorgan, Life & Style Editor
5th of July 2009, 10:30 GMT
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AEG Live, the organizers of what was supposed to be the biggest musical event ever, Michael Jackson’s 50-date extravaganza slash comeback at London’s O2 Arena, seem to have taken all necessary the precautions before starting preparations for “This Is It.” As TMZ informs, a $17.5 million insurance policy covered everything, including death by overdose, as AEG Chief Executive Randy Phillips explains.
While speculation that this appears to prove that organizers were well aware of Michael’s addiction to painkillers and probably heavy drugs as well – as several US publications have already hinted – seems warranted, Phillips insists that AEG Live was just being cautious. As he tells TMZ, organizers wanted to cover all grounds, except natural death. However, Michael’s tragic and sudden passing still leaves them high in debt, as the celebrity gossip website / paparazzi agency informs.
“AEG took out a hefty insurance policy in case Michael Jackson’s 50 London concerts fell through – turns out the policy covered an MJ overdose. AEG’s chief executive Randy Phillips said the $17.5 million insurance policy from Lloyd’s of London didn’t cover a death from natural causes. Phillips said the policy would still fall short of the money spent on Jackson’s advance, producing the show, covering some of MJ’s debts and paying his staff and rent – which cost between $25 and $30 million.” TMZ writes in a recent post.
Reports in the British media indicate that AEG is now trying to cut down on the losses by not refunding fans, and offering them instead a special-issue ticket with a dancing hologram on the back, which was reportedly designed by Michael himself. All this while, other sources are saying that the star deliberately took the drugs that eventually sent his heart into full arrest, as he was trying to make himself “a little sick” so as to get off from the grueling schedule he was about to star once the London series of concerts kicked off, The Daily Beast claims.
“A close confidant of Michael Jackson tells The Daily Beast that he believes that the superstar was so determined to avoid a rigorous tour schedule that he intentionally took a large amount of prescription drugs in order to induce a hospital visit – potentially triggering a medical escape clause in his performance contract – but wound up accidentally overdosing instead. […] This top adviser, who spoke about this explanation for the first time on the condition of anonymity, says that he believes Jackson was determined to force the AEG Group, the promoter of his 50-concert London series scheduled to commence next month, to reduce the number of dates. But the adviser says that Jackson was also well aware that he was subject to serious cancellation penalties if he failed to show up for any gigs. Medical infirmity, a standard clause in most contracts like this, might have provided him a consequence-free out.” the publication writes, citing an unnamed insider reportedly well familiar with the case."
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http://www.thedailyswarm.com/headlines/ ... uit-filed/ (http://www.thedailyswarm.com/headlines/michael-jackson-imposter-aeg-cant-insure-london-concertsscalper-tickets-selling-4klawsuit-filed/)
"Daily Mail:
Something didn’t seem quite right. There was that impossibly square chin, for a start – a bizarre cosmetic enhancement, even for Michael Jackson.
Then there was the voice, several octaves lower than the dog-whistle whisper the King of Pop normally adopts in front of his adoring fans.
Study the walk as well – a slightly hunched gait you might not expect from someone who ranks among the world’s most spectacular dance performers.
As tickets for his extended series of 50 summer shows sold out in record time yesterday – with prices of up to a staggering £25,000 being demanded on the resale market – an intriguing question was beginning to trouble even some of his most unwavering supporters. Was the quivering figure in the aviator shades and sparkly jacket that day an imposter?
Naturally, the official response is that it was Jacko. But they would say that, wouldn’t they? Others are speculating that – for whatever reason – it was merely a convincing impersonator.
The internet is buzzing with suggestions that the MJ the world saw during a four-minute appearance at O2 might not have been the MJ fans know and love.
Ludicrous conjecture? Well, maybe so. But like many internet-based rumours, this one is beginning to snowball.
Telegraph:
AEG Live, which organised the star’s programme starting in July, said the company is “still negotiating” with insurers, but insisted it is willing to take on the risk of Jackson falling ill.
Insurance sources told trade magazine Reinsurance that the appetite to cover the risk was low after the schedule was extended from an initial 10 days.
They said concerns existed over the 50-year-old’s health and the gruelling seven-month run.
The company is understood to have managed to secure cover for the first 10 dates, worth about £80m, with the additional dates likely to take the policy towards £300m.
Randy Phillips, chief executive of AEG Live, said the company would be willing to self-insure for the shows to go ahead, but he played down health concerns.
“The insurance brokers sent doctors and they spend five hours with him, taking blood tests. He’s a vegetarian, he’s in great shape. The insurance cover, we are working on that now,” he said.
“But we would be prepared to self-insure to make up the dates. It’s a risk we’re willing to take to bring the King of Pop to his fans.”
Press Association:
Michael Jackson’s concerts became the “hottest selling on the planet”, according to organisers, with 750,000 fans snapping up tickets to see the King Of Pop.
Fans from around the world queued through the night to get their hands on tickets for Jackson’s 50 This Is It shows, which went on general sale on Friday morning.
Concert organisers said they were the fastest selling tickets in London ever. Thousands of fans pitched up outside London’s 02 Arena, with many more jamming the phone lines.
Tickets sold at a rate of 11 per second, 657 per minute and nearly 40,000 an hour.
L.A. Times:
There’s still plenty of tix available, at least for those willing to pay. On the second night of the tour, you can get a pair for $4,217. The ticket prices on the secondary market drop substantially as the run continues, however. If you have faith that Jackson will perform all 50 of his dates (and why would anyone be skeptical?), then you can commit about $700 to see him in February 2010.
Billboard.biz:
According to Phillips, AEG cut a deal with Viagogo “to give fans access to premium seats and the market would set the price on only a small percentage of the house every night; and, secondly, to give fans a peer-to-peer platform where they know these tickets aren’t counterfeited.”
“Having said that, Viagogo did something really bad yesterday we had no idea they were doing,” Phillips continues. “They sent out e-mails to brokers and touts all over London offering them packages and seats and discounts. We’re going into court tomorrow to get an injunction. All we want from them is their platform, their Web site, for fans to buy tickets.”
Phillips said AEG lawyers in London will to go to court tomorrow (March 13) to get an injunction against Viagogo actually selling tickets. “They’ve told us they won’t, but I want to make sure it’s in the public record.” he said. “Even if we don’t get the injunction, that’s not the point, I want them to be under notice publicly not to do that. It’s about them living up to their word and the deal we cut"
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^^ how funny i just read the story online 5 mins ago!!!!!!!
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http://www.thecommentfactory.com/michae ... h-pay-2666 (http://www.thecommentfactory.com/michael-jackson-is-still-exploited-in-death-aeg-and-dr-death-should-both-pay-2666)
Michael Jackson is still exploited in death. AEG and Dr. Death should both pay
By Sandra Sasvari
NOTE: First of all, I would like to make it clear that what is expressed below is my personal reflection and opinion only. I do not claim this to be the truth, I am merely expressing what I believe to be true on a personal level. I have no insight into AEG, nor do I claim to be speaking on behalf of the ”This Is Not It” team – I just happen to agree with what they are saying, and I choose to believe their version of what happened, as opposed to that of AEG. I in no way ignore or fail to see the excitement and love Michael Jackson had for ”This Is It” as a project, and the way he was truly excited to share it with all of us. I have just chosen to focus on the business aspect of the situation, to try and show more clearly who I think is really responsible for things ending the way they did. This was written with the utmost love, respect and concern for Michael Jackson, his family, and those close to him that tried so desperately to intervene. All people involved in the incidents and situations mentioned shall remain nameless.
Michael Jackson needs money. Desperately. Over the past decade, his personal life has been repeatedly tarnished, mocked and examinated up close due to the child molestation accusations, and the music that made him a household name seems to have taken a back seat to the slander and bizarre rumours. The trial, although it cleared him of all charges, left him a broken man, and he spent the most part of the following years living like a nomad. Neverland, that was once his world, had been tarnished and defiled by the L.A.P.D, and did not feel like the safe haven it used to be.
When you are the most famous man in the world, people want things from you. Not only because you have them, but because they feel a sense of entitlement to them, a sense of “we made you who you are, you owe us this”. In the past year, Jackson had been hit with multiple law suits, and his finances were not what they once were. Enter AEG.
AEG is one of the world’s leading sports and entertainment presenters, they own or have considerable control over Toyota Sports Center, The Hartford Civic Center, NOKIA Theatre Times Suare, Staples Centre (more about that later), and numerous other facilities. After discussion, deal is closed for Michael Jackson to perform a series of concerts at their O2 Arena, and tickets sell out within a matter of minutes. So fast, that AEG decide to, allegedly on their own initiative and without Jackson’s consent, extend the run: from the original ten shows, to fifty. Rehearsals begin, and things go well for the first couple of weeks. However, it is soon obvious to everyone around, as well as to Randy Philips, AEG chief executive, that Jackson is rapidly losing weight, is weak, stressed, and drousy under the influence of pain killers and sleeping pills. He realizes that the schedule they’ve created for him may be, shall we say, a little tough. An insurance deal is then signed, and Randy Phillips is quoted as saying:
“We have insured the production costs. In order to get the first part of the insurance in place, [Jackson] had to have a physical, and he passed it with flying colors.”
Although the rumour that the insurance in question was made to cover Michael’s death only if it was drug related has never been confirmed, it is my personal belief that this was the case, simply because they were aware of his relationship with medication and it seemed very likely to them that it may well intensify due to the pressure they had put him under. Finding a physician that will give the all-clear – which, in case of Michael dying, would serve to help them get their investment back – most likely wasn’t very difficult either – after all, money talks. Philips made the additional comment that “the carriers flew in a doctor of their choice from New York and he did an extensive battery of tests.”
Randy Philips spoke openly on repeated occasions about witnessing someone in Michael Jackson’s closest circuits having to cut his food for him and spoon feed him, Jackson being too weak to eat by himself. Nothing is done to help. Others close to him try desperately to get the people in charge to call in professional help, as Jackson is clearly unwell both emotionally and physically. Again, nothing is done. Fans and followers try to intervene, but after having confided in them that he does not feel ready to do the fifty shows that are asked of him, security around Michael Jackson tightens and clasps around him like an iron ring, making it as good as impossible for them to come close to him again. Nothing is done to help him. Instead, AEG push harder. After all, it’s almost opening night.
Eventually, the crippling pressure becomes too much, and Michael Jackson’s heart stops. As not to waste the huge interest the world is showing, the conversation, over at the AEG office, then, might have gone something like this:
“It’s a bummer Michael had to go and die…so close to tour start and everything. Okay, this is what we’ll do: we broadcast what is more or less his funeral from Staples Centre (which, by the way, we own) on live TV, and to get back the money we lost because he died on us oh-so-inconveniently, we make a movie. Not just any movie, no no – a movie with very carefully selected scenes. Because we can’t show the truth; first of all it wouldn’t sell and secondly, it would be obvious that we were the ones responsible because we pushed him too hard. So we edit very carefully, and choose the very best parts out of the more than 100 hour footage that has been shot to create our own version of the truth. It’s pre-packed, ready-to-sell, and easy to swallow. Perfect.”
The movie becomes one of the most successful and financially gratifying projects in movie history (that it helps us to escape responsibility is just a bonus) and to take things one step further – hey, you gotta strike while the iron is hot – a few months later, we arrange a tribute to this deceased Pop Icon on the Grammy Awards – which we also own. In the arena we own. The same arena where he was spoon fed and basically buried in. Goodie! People love familiarity, they should know that stage by now.
To make everything develop smoother, we decide to take advantage of the celebrities that mourn and want to honour him, and a tribute is made – a tribute that will steal people’s focus away from all of the above. Then, we proceed to get one of these celebrities to introduce the tribute and make sure it’s in his script that he promotes the DVD of earlier mentioned movie, which by the way – it’s all so fantastically well planned! – we released to the public only six days prior.
Then, we let the celebrities in question do their tribute in front of a backdrop of said movie (did we mention it’s out on DVD now?) and while everyone is still emotional, before their tears have dried, (quickly, people are changing the channel!), we get Michael Jackson’s children – that he tried so hard to protect from media exposure – on stage so that they can accept his Lifetime Achievement Award (again; he died so inconveniently, that Michael) so that our ratings will soar even more. Jackson’s siblings or parents aren’t wanted (they just mean trouble, and besides, they’re on to us), and why settle with his siblings when you can have his kids? Katherine Jackson is welcome, she is the legal guardian after all, and if we want the kids, we’re going to have to put up with having the legal guardian around for a little while. It’s a give and take kinda thing.
The kids give their speeches to their deceased father in shaky, scared voices (make sure to zoom in on their faces, too — this is the good part!) who was in a casket on that same stage seven months ago, people get touched by it, rush to buy even more copies of our DVD, and all is well with the world and our bank accounts. Suckers…they’ll never know.”
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With the impending trial against Dr. Conrad Murray, there are many of us that hope so desperately for some retribution for Michael, and that just want someone to take responsibility so that we can at least try to have some closure. However, even if Dr. Murray is found guilty of involuntary manslaughter, which are the charges being pressed against him, he will most likely only be lightly reprimanded. Meanwhile, millions of fans are still mourning the loss of their hero, and they may never stop. It is true that had it not been for Dr. Conrad Murray giving Michael the heavy amount of medication that he did (apart from the ”usual” doses of Lorazepam and Midazolam, he was given an additional 4 mgs of each, plus 10 mg Valium and 25 mg Propofol mixed with Lidocaine), his heart would not have stopped that morning. Dr. Murray was directly responsible and he should be in jail, paying forthe crime he committed. However, it was the inhumane an crippling pressure caused by AEG executives that caused Michael to need those medications in the first place, and they are walking free with absolutely no accountability. Dr. Murray getting all the blame must fit them perfectly.
The movie ”This Is It” should not exist. We should not be sitting here with a rehearsal footage DVD and our crumpled, tear-stained tissues, we should be sitting here knowing that Michael is somewhere on the other side of the world laughing, reading, or having a conversation, ALIVE. The movie was not created for the fans, AEG doesn’t care about you, me, or any of the others that are mourning. What they care about is what’s in our wallets. and how much they can get out of it – that is the only reason the movie was ever made, and that completely mocks everything that Michael ever stood for. Randy Phillips himself said it better than anyone ever could shortly after Michael died:
“People have speculated that this is going to bankrupt our company. The truth is it isn’t.”
I am not asking that people boycott ”This Is It”, I understand that it makes some of those that are mourning feel closer to him, and I respect that. Some will continue to feel comfortable watching it, and some will not. All I ask is that we choose to see things as they really were, painful and uncomfortable as they may be, so that we can form our own, personal opinions and watch the movie with no illusions as to what was really going on. For Michael’s sake.
http://www.this-is-not-it.com (http://www.this-is-not-it.com)
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on the TINI website, there are some pictures that they took with mj on days of his rehearsals. in all the pictures he has curly hair and the clothes he is wearing, except for one (orange pants guy) doesnt match any of the clothes we saw in TII. . . .
maybe u can post a link or something? I want to see those pics!
here's the link. you have to scroll right down
http://www.this-is-not-it.com/en/testimonies.html (http://www.this-is-not-it.com/en/testimonies.html)
Alright guys........sorry to change the subject, but missy_missy wanted us to see the pics. on this link, which I did. However, as I strolled further down the page I saw where fans were speaking on his health. Did anyone else see this, they're saying that the frail little man in the orange pants is really Michael and that he had lost even more weight than is shown there. They're saying they watched him whither to a skeleton and did nothing more that sent letters to him asking him to stay healthy? Maybe this has already been discussed, but this is the first that I've seen of it. They've started a petition which is listed there, I didn't go to it as I was too anxious to get back here and share what I saw.
Let me calm down a bit......ok, what they're saying is Michael was the man in the orange pants, Dr Klein was giving Michael strong drugs, security guards went from 3 to 12, and everyone turned their heads to avoid looking at his condition, his voice was weak and on and on....Please read, scroll down, its underneath the pictures of the orange pants guy. Please let me know what you think.
http://www.this-is-not-it.com/en/testim ... imony.html (http://www.this-is-not-it.com/en/testimonies/47-marikas-testimony.html)
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i dont know about the orange pants guy - i am confused - my centre has moved i dont know what mike looks like - now
but i think the meaty pic in 1997 looks better, but how do we know thats mike and not his permanent double?
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how do you guys feel about a contract in which mike only appears for a few minutes and it may not be him but a double?
nice work i thought
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Double or Real MJ ?
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5269/namnlszv.jpg)
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Double or Real MJ ?
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5269/namnlszv.jpg)
was that at the 02?
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Double or Real MJ ?
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5269/namnlszv.jpg (http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5269/namnlszv.jpg)
was that at the 02?
is was the recording for "They dont care about us" / Earth Song
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Double or Real MJ ?
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5269/namnlszv.jpg (http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5269/namnlszv.jpg)
was that at the 02?
is was the recording for "They dont care about us" / Earth Song
but the top isnt it the same as the 02 guy?
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it looks like the TII with KO looking over footage - what do you think?
but same top
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Maybe that`s why on the dvd cover it says "discover the man you never new" or something like that Perhaps this is the double that joe was on about? This double guy would have to be good in appearance but singing could be covered easy enough.This would explain some of the less fluid dance moves.
just a thought to add to the confusion .
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bless
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Maybe that`s why on the dvd cover it says "discover the man you never new" or something like that Perhaps this is the double that joe was on about? This double guy would have to be good in appearance but singing could be covered easy enough.This would explain some of the less fluid dance moves.
just a thought to add to the confusion .
thought the same thing about DISCOVER THE MAN YOU NEVER KNEW
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Very true, They did it on purpose.
I think first pic the left one is the real MJ,
and the second pic the mid one is MJ!
Proof the mid one is Michael, Second PIC
look to the MIC stuff on his back.. so he did need the Mic to sing live, the others were lipSync
I really think they filmed TII just 2 or 3 days with the REAL MJ.
No Doubles in "This is it ".....!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
<BR>Sorry for my English .....
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Very true, They did it on purpose.
I think first pic the left one is the real MJ,
and the second pic the mid one is MJ!
Proof the mid one is Michael, Second PIC
look to the MIC stuff on his back.. so he did need the Mic to sing live, the others were lipSync
I really think they filmed TII just 2 or 3 days with the REAL MJ.
No Doubles in "This is it ".....!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
<BR>Sorry for my English .....
how can u be sure ?
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my[KING]"]Maybe that`s why on the dvd cover it says "discover the man you never new" or something like that Perhaps this is the double that joe was on about? This double guy would have to be good in appearance but singing could be covered easy enough.This would explain some of the less fluid dance moves.
just a thought to add to the confusion .
thought the same thing about DISCOVER THE MAN YOU NEVER KNEW
or how to ruin some sweet persons reputation
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on the TINI website, there are some pictures that they took with mj on days of his rehearsals. in all the pictures he has curly hair and the clothes he is wearing, except for one (orange pants guy) doesnt match any of the clothes we saw in TII. . . .
maybe u can post a link or something? I want to see those pics!
here's the link. you have to scroll right down
http://www.this-is-not-it.com/en/testimonies.html (http://www.this-is-not-it.com/en/testimonies.html)
u have to scroll right down to see the pics of mj with the fans that they said were taken outside of rehearsals
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this is one of the pic you refer to - so is this mj?
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and these
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mj?
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Why do you think this is a double? I think it's Michael.
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Why do you think this is a double? I think it's Michael.
i have been so rocked by my research into the doubles that he has used - i have no idea
strange that - but true
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if i went to the states for a holiday and went to a theme park and met someone looking like this i would think he is a double and would not think it is mike
because of his use of doubles
sad
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this is one of the pic you refer to - so is this mj?
yeah this pic n the two later ones u posted. they r claiming that that's mj at rehearsals, but i dunno. hard to tell. would b easier to tell if he had his sunnies off....
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i think they are mike. in the second pic his fingernails look dark
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Was watching tii and noticed in the beginning where Michael and orange pants were split and they were basically comparing dance moves like orange pants was so robotical and Michael was so fluid with orange pants it just looked so forced when he was dancing just imo what do you guys think
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To me it's Michael all the time...
Yes, it's Michael all the time, no doubles ..... :geek:
At any moment he's Michael ..... :geek:
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To me it's Michael all the time...
Yes, it's Michael all the time, no doubles ..... :geek:
At any moment he's Michael ..... :geek:
lol you think this is mj? : (http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac249/mjdeathhoax/orangepants.jpg) :lol: :lol: :lol:
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this is one of the pic you refer to - so is this mj?
yeah this pic n the two later ones u posted. they r claiming that that's mj at rehearsals, but i dunno. hard to tell. would b easier to tell if he had his sunnies off....
My first impression was he's not Mike
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For me is Mike in those pics with those girls, cant be double, honestly take a closer look, he look very well, healthy, but in TII definatly we see some heavy changes, we cant knwo there are doubles, my question is , we saw him so many times changing wonder why or could be doubles? lets dont forget about O2 how diference wow i was shocked, and the next day he was looking normaly, why?i guess never we will find the reason, can be the mistery he loves....illusion and everything... why in TII he is changing so much like never, obviously are alot...since 5th march 2009 everything is just more and more confusing....
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whats mike got in his hand?
this is a post conference pic arriving back at hotel
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I want kiss those lips...*sigh*
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Yes, it's Michael all the time, no doubles .....
Are you sure?
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2767/vergleich1.jpg (http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2767/vergleich1.jpg)
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Yes, it's Michael all the time, no doubles .....
Are you sure?
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2767/vergleich1.jpg (http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2767/vergleich1.jpg)
Nice photo comparisons! *bookmarks* :D
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Yes, it's Michael all the time, no doubles .....
Are you sure?
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2767/vergleich1.jpg (http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2767/vergleich1.jpg)
Woohoo, I love this comparisons!
But who is Michael there and who is a double? :shock:
I am sure, that Mr.O2 ( :lol: ) is a double.
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Yes, it's Michael all the time, no doubles .....
Are you sure?
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2767/vergleich1.jpg (http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2767/vergleich1.jpg)
Woohoo, I love this comparisons!
But who is Michael there and who is a double? :shock:
I am sure, that Mr.O2 ( :lol: ) is a double.
IMO, F,N,C,Maybe H, Skeptical about J, A, and M and E
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But who is Michael there and who is a double?
That's a good question. :lol:
I believe that with the broad nose, he is.
A, B, G, L, M, O
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Hmm...you forgot Red Pants, but doesn't the matter. :D
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I think Smooth Criminal pic is a double.. maybe E'cas? Michael used Eca's in the Leave me Alone video due to Scheduling conflicts. Michael working with E'cas: (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/bad/shortfilms/lma/028.jpg)
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Hmm...you forgot Red Pants, but doesn't the matter.
ok, here the red pants. ;) But it`s never Michael.
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1648/redzq.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1648/redzq.jpg)
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Hmm...you forgot Red Pants, but doesn't the matter.
ok, here the red pants. ;) But it`s never Michael.
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1648/redzq.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1648/redzq.jpg)
Great photos! :D
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Thanks for the pics! 8-)
I agree, Red Pants is NOT Michael, but a very good double.
One of my favorites...he is so funny! :D
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Yes, it's Michael all the time, no doubles .....
Are you sure?
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2767/vergleich1.jpg (http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2767/vergleich1.jpg)
i sort of have a feeling all those are doubles for some reason IDK have to examine more closely :geek:
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Those photos are all TOTALLY Michael no question about it!