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Title: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 19, 2010, 11:08:55 AM
Look at this picture (inside the yellow lines) and tell me that this is just a reflection on the screen of the arcade play station or from something behind

and NO (FAKED) OPEN CASKET PICTURE !!

Maybe somebody can enlighten the picture and post it again? I´m not good with such things and it would be the best way to debunk it.

Thanks!

source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YkKWzG0 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YkKWzG03CE&feature=related) at 0:39

Update 4/4/2010: previous video was deleted
see this one now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgETjAJg ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgETjAJgvCA&feature=related)

[attachment=0:21d9dzqo]picture on play station.jpg[/attachment:21d9dzqo]
Title: Re: Optical illusion again: Please debunk!
Post by: SmellyJelly on February 19, 2010, 02:10:24 PM
I think it is a FAKE picture.'Cause in the next picture, the reflection doesn't appear.
Even if the angle is different,the casket should appear.
Look:

(http://http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9852/davee.jpg)
Title: Re: Optical illusion again: Please debunk!
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 19, 2010, 02:48:27 PM
You are right, SmellyJelly, at the second picture at 1:05 we don´t see anything!![attachment=0:c8jzmy59]no reflection or casket.jpg[/attachment:c8jzmy59]

 :o  :o  :o
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 19, 2010, 03:28:13 PM
So I double-checked it. We have the effect on the CNN.com-footage as well.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/200 ... =allsearch (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/09/04/rowlands.jackson.boy.burned.cnn?iref=allsearch)
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on February 19, 2010, 03:33:41 PM
Im totally lost here...what are we looking at?
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 19, 2010, 03:38:19 PM
[attachment=0:14m43dw1]fake open casket.jpg[/attachment:14m43dw1]

at 0:39, not at almost same shot at 1:05
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjssoulmate on February 19, 2010, 03:38:46 PM
What casket?
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on February 19, 2010, 03:43:10 PM
still lost sorry!! LOL...I see something in the yellow square but I cant say what it is exactly...
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjssoulmate on February 19, 2010, 03:48:05 PM
I looks like the reflection of a person standing there wearing a white hat.

I don't see a casket.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 19, 2010, 03:54:30 PM
o.k. it sounds absolutely weird: But turn the screen to the right with 45 degree and it seems as if you can see a person lying in a casket (on the back side of the video device right of Michael and Dave). You see no casket itself, only what you would see if you would look into it.

With an more opimistic view you turn it to the opposite side and you see somebody standing there: dark suit, white shirt with collar, yellow/beige knot of necktie and a bare head.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on February 19, 2010, 04:01:21 PM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
o.k. it sounds absolutely weird: But turn the screen to the right with 45 degree and it seems as if you can see a person lying in a casket (on the back side of the video device right of Michael and Dave). You see no casket itself, only what you would see if you would look into it.

With an more opimistic view you turn it to the opposite side and you see somebody standing there: dark suit, white shirt with collar, yellow/beige knot of necktie and a bare head.


OMG...really? Now I see it, but I really dont think this is what you guys say it is....I see it, but I dont see it, know what I mean? LOL
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: rowdyangel on February 19, 2010, 04:05:27 PM
:?  :?   I don't see it either.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: liegi on February 19, 2010, 04:11:11 PM
you're referring to the Myspace open casket photo?
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 19, 2010, 04:19:26 PM
Maybe a white hat, maybe a skull, maybe nothing at all.
[attachment=0:2ryie1x0]head of whatever.jpg[/attachment:2ryie1x0]

I'm not referring to another open casket photo. There were all debunked, I think.

Fact is that we see this "ghost" only on 0:39, not on 1:05 where it should still be there.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: MJ_92_Believe on February 19, 2010, 04:20:39 PM
I have no idea what this is meant to be.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: DeZignLabZ on February 19, 2010, 04:30:44 PM
Strange....but ....
(http://http://www.dezignlabz.com/work/mj-dd1.jpg)
(http://http://www.dezignlabz.com/work/mj-dd2.jpg)
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 19, 2010, 04:39:12 PM
Thank you for working on the pictures!

You know what I thought seeing it first yesterday evening??

I thought about the mummies of Palermo.

I had no good sleep.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 19, 2010, 04:42:50 PM
Quote from: DeZignLabZ
Strange....but ....

Problem: We can´t see the whole body (head is missing), only in the postreply modus.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: MJ_92_Believe on February 19, 2010, 04:46:58 PM
Whatever it is, these photos are well over 20 years old?
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: DeZignLabZ on February 19, 2010, 04:50:46 PM
http://http://www.dezignlabz.com/work/mj-dd1.jpg

http://http://www.dezignlabz.com/work/mj-dd2.jpg
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 19, 2010, 04:54:29 PM
Quote from: "MJ_92_Believe"
Whatever it is, these photos are well over 20 years old?

I doubt that, at least not as we see them. The figure could have been added later referring to the hoax. --> ??

Did we not see a ghost at Neverland also from CNN?
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: LOVESoldier28 on February 19, 2010, 05:04:38 PM
Maybe it could have been one of MJ's dummies or one of those things that you can put a hat on it and coat or jacket like one of those dummies a seamstress uses. I thought I saw a white hat like the one from MJ's Smooth Criminal but I could see a blue dot on the screen which is from the Pac Man video game. But who knows it could have been a reflection from someone standing in the background and the room could have been well lit and glass is a very reflective surface too.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjjveritas on February 19, 2010, 05:17:12 PM
friendlikeme81, You mentioned mummies of Palermo? This may be nothing but a while back on YouTube there was a conversation in the comments section between two people. There was mention of the word "bunchin" and "Palermo". I cannot for the life of me remember verbatim what was said. Then after this I noticed Dave Dave had written the word "bunchin" on the first page of his Myspace. I forgot to say, I think that all this was written underneath the Dave Dave at Larry King Live interview.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 19, 2010, 05:25:52 PM
Quote from: "LOVESoldier28"
Maybe it could have been one of MJ's dummies or one of those things that you can put a hat on it and coat or jacket like one of those dummies a seamstress uses. I thought I saw a white hat like the one from MJ's Smooth Criminal but I could see a blue dot on the screen which is from the Pac Man video game. But who knows it could have been a reflection from someone standing in the background and the room could have been well lit and glass is a very reflective surface too.

Quote from: "mjjveritas"
friendlikeme81, You mentioned mummies of Palermo? This may be nothing but a while back on YouTube there was a conversation in the comments section between two people. There was mention of the word "bunchin" and "Palermo". I cannot for the life of me remember verbatim what was said. Then after this I noticed Dave Dave had written the word "bunchin" on the first page of his Myspace. I forgot to say, I think that all this was written underneath the Dave Dave at Larry King Live interview.

Hope we find an appropriate answer soon. I must go to sleep now and come back tomorrow.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: DeZignLabZ on February 19, 2010, 05:29:31 PM
looks like Little Prince too!!    ;)
(http://http://www.dezignlabz.com/work/ppj.jpg)
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjjveritas on February 19, 2010, 05:31:27 PM
friendlikeme81, Night night, sleep tight, mind the bedbugs don't bite  :!:
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: reading_on on February 19, 2010, 09:21:25 PM
Here's the original posted to the forum so you can see the whole reflection,,,,,

little weird, whether it's twenty years old or not..lol(http://http://www.spendingcents.com/here.jpg)
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: YoungNewMJFan on February 19, 2010, 09:29:55 PM
I can't for the life of me see what ya'll are seeing...help anybody? :P
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjjveritas on February 19, 2010, 09:36:15 PM
We'll have to wait for friendlikeme81 to get back to us on this one.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjjveritas on February 20, 2010, 08:10:26 PM
The "illusion" within the highlighted box does look odd. There are two complete letters on the side of the arcade machine. The letter on the left has been cut off and possibly superimposed with the "illusion"? Does this make any sense?
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: Jacksonology on February 21, 2010, 01:47:49 PM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
[attachment=0:38s7on7q]fake open casket.jpg[/attachment:38s7on7q]

at 0:39, not at almost same shot at 1:05
sort of looks like this pic of mj laying in a coffin: (http://http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac249/mjdeathhoax/kk2.jpg)   link to picture: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz ... hotos.html (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz/michael_jackson/391996/Jack-in-the-box-Michael-Jackson-in-Charlie-Chaplin-photos.html)
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 21, 2010, 04:44:03 PM
What a shocking picture at the first glance! And the text below:

>>THIS is the chilling dress rehearsal carried out nearly 30 years before the main event.<<

 :o  :o  :lol:  :lol:  :o  :o  :?  :?

Thank you, Jacksonology!

I wonder if I'll have a nightmare this night again.  :lol:

By the way, I did further researches about the video game. There should be no screen at the place where we see the "illusion" or no other reflecting surface. It is the back side, the screen should be on the right side like on this example:[attachment=0:4w6wpwbe]arcadeIII.jpg[/attachment:4w6wpwbe]

The next odd thing: I cannot find out which game is shown in the screenshots. There is no label that we can see, only  .OT (both shots) and MJ  (on the 1:05 shot)
I know 2 games with OT:   "f1 exhaust note" by sega (1991, Michael owned one) and "Time Pilot" (1982 -1984, but the design doesn´t match).

And I cannot find Pole Position on the Arcade-List on the Julien's Auctions catalogue.
http://www.juliensauctions.com/auctions ... alog4.html (http://www.juliensauctions.com/auctions/2009/michael-jackson/icatalog4.html)  

Maybe Michael never owned it although Dave claims that they were playing Pole Position together?

This leads to the question if the whole picture was shopped later in order to prove a false statement in the interview (which was not the only contradicion, of course)? But  they (Michael himself or CNN? ) added the phantom as a clue for us to see that the proof is no proof but fake??
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: Jacksonology on February 21, 2010, 07:53:11 PM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
What a shocking picture at the first glance! And the text below:

>>THIS is the chilling dress rehearsal carried out nearly 30 years before the main event.<<

 :o  :o  :lol:  :lol:  :o  :o  :?  :?

Thank you, Jacksonology!

I wonder if I'll have a nightmare this night again.  :lol:

By the way, I did further researches about the video game. There should be no screen at the place where we see the "illusion" or no other reflecting surface. It is the back side, the screen should be on the right side like on this example:[attachment=0:2hwh7wbm]arcadeIII.jpg[/attachment:2hwh7wbm]

The next odd thing: I cannot find out which game is shown in the screenshots. There is no label that we can see, only  .OT (both shots) and MJ  (on the 1:05 shot)
I know 2 games with OT:   "f1 exhaust note" by sega (1991, Michael owned one) and "Time Pilot" (1982 -1984, but the design doesn´t match).

And I cannot find Pole Position on the Arcade-List on the Julien's Auctions catalogue.
http://www.juliensauctions.com/auctions ... alog4.html (http://www.juliensauctions.com/auctions/2009/michael-jackson/icatalog4.html)  

Maybe Michael never owned it although Dave claims that they were playing Pole Position together?

This leads to the question if the whole picture was shopped later in order to prove a false statement in the interview (which was not the only contradicion, of course)? But  they (Michael himself or CNN? ) added the phantom as a clue for us to see that the proof is no proof but fake??
Maybe  :geek:  and it could have been photoshopped from the same person who did the ambulance picture  :lol:
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: Dancing_Machine on February 21, 2010, 07:58:49 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't see a thing?  :?
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjjveritas on February 21, 2010, 09:05:45 PM
Wow! MJ liked his games. That's quite a number there.  :o  :shock:  Maybe Pole Position broke and was put out for the trash? Or as Dave Dave liked it so much perhaps it was gifted to Dave Dave? Update: or perhaps the omission of the Pole Position game from the auctioneer catalog is an indication that the Dave Dave on Larry King Live was a fake?
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 22, 2010, 03:35:56 PM
Quote from: "mjjveritas"
Wow! MJ liked his games. That's quite a number there.  :o  :shock:  Maybe Pole Position broke and was put out for the trash? Or as Dave Dave liked it so much perhaps it was gifted to Dave Dave? Update: or perhaps the omission of the Pole Position game from the auctioneer catalog is an indication that the Dave Dave on Larry King Live was a fake?

Yeah, that's odd: Why is Pole Position not on the catalogue :?:  :?:
MJ had almost every new funny technical stuff, so why shouldn´t he have this game, too??
I can´t imagine that it broke. And if, he would have repaired it, he was (is, of course) a collector, he would have missed it. And I highly doubt that he gifted it to Dave Dave. Because: see above  :lol:  They might have been (and be now, of course) huge friends, but not when it comes to video games. I think Michael liked to share his games, but not make them a gift to others. I think he was/is selfish about this.

So maybe he took PolePosition with him into his hiding-place together with his Paul McCartney records? :lol:  :lol:      
New song: The game is mine  :lol:
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjjveritas on February 22, 2010, 05:28:03 PM
friendlikeme81, "The doggone game is mine". Looking through the catalog and seeing the kind of toys/games there would have been etc, there is no way a young Dave Dave would be enthralled with Paul McCartney records when there were all those gadgets to play with.  :lol:
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: liegi on February 23, 2010, 07:08:30 AM
Seriously. Why would a sick, frightened little boy know about Paul McCartney and Pole Position? I think DD is a very big clue in the hoax.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: llebreknit on February 23, 2010, 07:13:46 AM
LOST...where do you see an open casket?  :shock:   :?
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjjveritas on February 23, 2010, 08:50:07 AM
IIebreknit, If you go back to the first post on this thread you will see what poster "friendlikeme81" is talking about. The image is within the highlighted box on the arcade machine in the photo. It's very difficult to work out what this image is. It could be nothing important, Photoshopped or a reflection.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 23, 2010, 03:56:37 PM
Quote from: "liegi"
Seriously. Why would a sick, frightened little boy know about Paul McCartney and Pole Position? I think DD is a very big clue in the hoax.

Hi liegi!  You are right.
There is a long discussion about that on the youtube comments.
It is highly implausible that DD remembered PaulMcCartney records. This is seen as a modest gesture of Michael and also as a hint, because as you said, nobody believes this.
Also the PolePosition thing: It is sad, but I can´t imagine DD playing this game with his damaged hands. So PolePosition might be a symbol for Michaels ambition to be on the top of the charts.

When we look at DaveDave we see the disguise, when we listen to him we hear Michaels voice, when we care for what he says we notice the contradictions, when we look at the pictures he provides we see little scary phantoms that should not be there. So what else do we need??
 :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on March 05, 2010, 06:18:14 PM
Ghosts be hiding everywhere!

[attachment=1:3g8k7g4n]Orlok_Phantom.JPG[/attachment:3g8k7g4n]

[attachment=0:3g8k7g4n]Beware_Nosferatu.JPG[/attachment:3g8k7g4n]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosferatu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosferatu)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_of_the_Vampire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_of_the_Vampire)
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjjveritas on March 05, 2010, 08:32:45 PM
friendlikeme81, Are you hallucinating? Is this what you see?  :lol:
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on March 06, 2010, 02:33:07 PM
Quote from: "mjjveritas"
friendlikeme81, Are you hallucinating? Is this what you see?  :lol:

Oh s**t, people think I'm hallucinating!! This is a sign, I have to stop this game for a while. :lol:  :lol:  

I don't see Orlok, of course, this is just an association!

But I like the musical note: "Nosferatu: A Symphony of Horror" ... :lol:

Oh, but wait, I just hear something, right now ... the Pole Position-melody... is it not the Nosferatu-theme ...?? :lol:  :lol:

And all these cute little smileys, it must be evil laughing!! :evil:  :lol:
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: whatyourheartsays on March 06, 2010, 03:14:30 PM
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING...Where the HELL are you seeing a man with a white hat ?
I cleary only see "eventually" a guy in blakc suit qith a black mask on his face. And I see another thing  but I don't know what it is. If it's a casket, maybe it could be flowers ?

In fact I don't know what we are supposed to see.

PS : damaged hands don't prevent you to do things. I know a man that has no hands, only half arms, and he uses his laptop just like you and me. He also helps us to care with rats, carpooling them across Paris in his wheelchair ;)
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: XspeechlessX on March 06, 2010, 03:23:40 PM
this is weird.
Just watchin Ant & Dec show and the "night of the living dead" show just came on.
Ironic much.  :lol:
Coffins everywhere!
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjjveritas on March 06, 2010, 09:58:01 PM
whatyourheartsays, "Carpooling rats across Paris in his wheelchair". Now I've heard it all.  :lol:  Could this conversation be any more weird.  ;)
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: whatyourheartsays on March 06, 2010, 10:24:07 PM
Quote from: "mjjveritas"
whatyourheartsays, "Carpooling rats across Paris in his wheelchair". Now I've heard it all.  :lol:  Could this conversation be any more weird.  ;)

It's just that people shouldn't under-estimate disabled people. This guy helps us with animal rescue ;) They are pretty able to do more things then you think they can. And I believe Dave Dave played video game as any kid ;)

For this picture, if you just stop trying to search for "a man" or something, you will just realise that the "top" of the arcade game is missing (maybe opened to be fixed) and what we see is only mechanical stuffs with light and shadow on it. This is why letters are missing. A part of the game has been removed/opened. And the rest of the name is written on the missing part.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjjveritas on March 06, 2010, 10:56:16 PM
whatyourheartsays, It was just the image of these Parisienne rats being carpooled. I hope you didn't think I was making fun of your friend. I certainly don't underestimate anyone. I don't know about the arcade and what to make of it. You could be right with your thought.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on March 07, 2010, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: "whatyourheartsays"
Quote from: "mjjveritas"
whatyourheartsays, "Carpooling rats across Paris in his wheelchair". Now I've heard it all.  :lol:  Could this conversation be any more weird.  ;)

It's just that people shouldn't under-estimate disabled people. This guy helps us with animal rescue ;) They are pretty able to do more things then you think they can. And I believe Dave Dave played video game as any kid ;)

For this picture, if you just stop trying to search for "a man" or something, you will just realise that the "top" of the arcade game is missing (maybe opened to be fixed) and what we see is only mechanical stuffs with light and shadow on it. This is why letters are missing. A part of the game has been removed/opened. And the rest of the name is written on the missing part.

Hi whatyourheartsays,
I appreciate your approach to find a logical explanation very much!
And I agree with you, DaveDave's disability is no reason to eliminate the possibility that he could have played this game or that he liked it at least.

But your explanation concerning the missing edge or top of the arcade and the mechanical stuff inside does not convince me (although it would be logical, of course).
I know, many people don´t see anything on the picture, but I see "a man" or "phantom" or whatever it may be called. I can't help it! It seems that I'm starting to make a complete fool of myself, but I can't deny what I see!
Even if I would accept the fact that we see just something and no body, this wouln't explain why we see this on the one pic and nothing, only a "black whole", on the other!! We should see at least a little bit of the picture we see before, some shadows, just something, but there is nothing!!
You see, I'm getting a bit emphatic on this point. I would prefer a logical explanation, too, because I'm a bit tired of "defending" a phantom. But...???
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjjveritas on March 07, 2010, 06:41:13 PM
friendlikeme81, "The Phantom Of The Opera" was mentioned by another poster "2good2btrue" recently. 2good2btrue said that MJ had approached Andrew Lloyd Webber about a part in his production? There is a link between your friend "Nosferatu" and the Phantom. http://http://www.amazon.com/Nosferatu-Phantom-Opera-Alexander-Granach/dp/B00006L7WV.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on March 08, 2010, 04:29:38 PM
I have found some other links from Nosferatu to Michael (although I still don`t claim to see Orlok on the arcade  :lol: )

same position on all three pictures
[attachment=0:33mb64z3]Orlok_Nuez Wicked Witch_Crowley.JPG[/attachment:33mb64z3]
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: llebreknit on March 08, 2010, 04:35:06 PM
I cant avoid laughing with this kind of post...well, what I see, with a great effort of imagination LOL, is a man with white hair and beard...no hat, no open casket  :?
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on March 10, 2010, 05:25:36 PM
I always wondered what this strap that covers the legs could be:[attachment=2:3imwk060]phantom_colour_strap.JPG[/attachment:3imwk060]

I have found out about living dead dolls. They are sold with a strap like this (on the right one). [attachment=1:3imwk060]living_dead_dolls.JPG[/attachment:3imwk060]

And we find Nosferatu as a doll, too
see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQYBczvRtS8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQYBczvRtS8)
:lol:  :lol:

following the living dead dolls, we come to a horror movie[attachment=0:3imwk060]PUPPET MASTER.jpg[/attachment:3imwk060]

You see its name: The Puppet Master :!:

Have I already mentioned that I like this game ?  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on March 11, 2010, 04:02:49 PM
Update:

Today while skimming through the Todd Gray Album (Before he was King) I' ve found the proof that the game device we are speaking about was indeed in possession of Michael Jackson. See page 127/128.
The arcade game is this one (flyer): [attachment=1:3bcxw98q]monaco_gp.jpg[/attachment:3bcxw98q]

Now I made a comparison of the three pictures:[attachment=0:3bcxw98q]comparison surfaces.jpg[/attachment:3bcxw98q]
Conclusions:
1.Contrary to my former argument there is indeed a reflecting and transparent surface on the front where we see the phantom. But it is definetely no screen.
2. If we suppose the figure to be a reflection, the origin of the reflection would still not be explained (it must be opposite, somewhere in the open space??).
3. The surface is transparent. If we suppose the figure to be a person shining through the surface, it would be difficult to explain why it appears to be full body view of a male person on this position. We should see a part of a body, but no full body.
2. There is a stripe of letters on the surface. We see the words "Sega Monaco GP". This would explain why we see the yellow stripe on the phantom pic (although we should see it more clearly, I suppose). But the stripe of letters is permanent. So we should see it on 1:05, even if the angle is slightly different. Therefore the black hole on 1:05 still exists and cannot be explained.

IMO there is still no logical explanation for the emergence of the figure.

This opens the space for the next speculations: ;)

Here I go: The puppet master has placed the phantom figure deliberately on the arcade game to signalize that it is indeed a hoax: Michael is the puppet master behind the curtain (Final Curtain Call on O2, Liberian Girl on Funeral). He shows that he is the director by placing puppets, clues or appearing in disguises.

But Michael also appears as a puppet in the game: He is "the living dead".

like in Threatened:
"I’m the living dead, the dark thoughts in your head...

...The unknown monster is about to embark
From a far corner, out of the dark]
A nightmare, that’s the case
Never Neverland, that’s the place
This particular monster can read minds
Be in two places at the same time
This is judgement night, execution, slaughter
The devil, ghosts, this monster is torture
You can be sure of one thing, that’s fate
A human presence that you feel is strange
A monster that you can see disappear

A monster, the worst thing to fear."

Really interesting is the fact that DaveDave said the meeting with Michael happened in Neverland. This was a lie.
So we have indeed a monster that appears on Never Neverland (because it's Encino and could never be Neverland).

Mmhh... :shock:
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: whatyourheartsays on March 11, 2010, 09:49:40 PM
OK....I'm scared  :?
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: Jacksonology on March 12, 2010, 06:57:25 PM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Update:

Today while skimming through the Todd Gray Album (Before he was King) I' ve found the proof that the game device we are speaking about was indeed in possession of Michael Jackson. See page 127/128.
The arcade game is this one (flyer): [attachment=1:1bcoe6zt]monaco_gp.jpg[/attachment:1bcoe6zt]

Now I made a comparison of the three pictures:[attachment=0:1bcoe6zt]comparison surfaces.jpg[/attachment:1bcoe6zt]
Conclusions:
1.Contrary to my former argument there is indeed a reflecting and transparent surface on the front where we see the phantom. But it is definetely no screen.
2. If we suppose the figure to be a reflection, the origin of the reflection would still not be explained (it must be opposite, somewhere in the open space??).
3. The surface is transparent. If we suppose the figure to be a person shining through the surface, it would be difficult to explain why it appears to be full body view of a male person on this position. We should see a part of a body, but no full body.
2. There is a stripe of letters on the surface. We see the words "Sega Monaco GP". This would explain why we see the yellow stripe on the phantom pic (although we should see it more clearly, I suppose). But the stripe of letters is permanent. So we should see it on 1:05, even if the angle is slightly different. Therefore the black hole on 1:05 still exists and cannot be explained.

IMO there is still no logical explanation for the emergence of the figure.

This opens the space for the next speculations: ;)

Here I go: The puppet master has placed the phantom figure deliberately on the arcade game to signalize that it is indeed a hoax: Michael is the puppet master behind the curtain (Final Curtain Call on O2, Liberian Girl on Funeral). He shows that he is the director by placing puppets, clues or appearing in disguises.

But Michael also appears as a puppet in the game: He is "the living dead".

like in Threatened:
"I’m the living dead, the dark thoughts in your head...

...The unknown monster is about to embark
From a far corner, out of the dark]
A nightmare, that’s the case
Never Neverland, that’s the place
This particular monster can read minds
Be in two places at the same time
This is judgement night, execution, slaughter
The devil, ghosts, this monster is torture
You can be sure of one thing, that’s fate
A human presence that you feel is strange
A monster that you can see disappear

A monster, the worst thing to fear."

Really interesting is the fact that DaveDave said the meeting with Michael happened in Neverland. This was a lie.
So we have indeed a monster that appears on Never Neverland (because it's Encino and could never be Neverland).

Mmhh... :shock:
Good research and Analysis!!! :D
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjjveritas on March 12, 2010, 09:59:41 PM
The image within the arcade highlighted box could be? http://http://seeingclues.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-11-29T11%3A53%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=50. The photo I am referring to is the one of Dave Dave standing, wearing a hat. Transpose this image and it maybe fits the image in the arcade? Credit and thanks to SeeingClues Blog. You can see the picture underneath the heading "Arms-B & B Dave and MJ". It's quite a bit down the page. Might be worth it though.  :)
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on March 13, 2010, 12:43:43 PM
[attachment=0:3mf227t7]arms.jpg[/attachment:3mf227t7]

@mjjveritas: Interesting, but I don't think it matches. The hat isn't that big and we don't see a part of his belly  :lol:

But I'm always staring fascinated at this picture, don't know why... :lol:

I think the phantom of Never Neverland is a mixture of
1. burn victim
2. Nosferatu (Orlok)
3. Mummy
4. Fantomas
5. Bat Boy
6. Roswell Alien
+ suit of memorial

It's nothing we can really identify, so it's even more scary.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjjveritas on March 13, 2010, 01:21:31 PM
friendlikeme81, What an imagination you have! Who are "Fantomas" and "Bat Boy"? The only "Bat Boy" I know of is "Ugly Bat Boy". http://http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=ugly+bat+boy&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=. This beautiful cat is my Desktop Wallpaper.  :)
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on March 13, 2010, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: "mjjveritas"
friendlikeme81, What an imagination you have! Who are "Fantomas" and "Bat Boy"? The only "Bat Boy" I know of is "Ugly Bat Boy". http://http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=ugly+bat+boy&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=. This beautiful cat is my Desktop Wallpaper.  :)

Oh, yes, nice wallpaper, beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder, I think... :lol:  :lol:

That Bat Boy is an interesting toppic. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_Boy_%28character%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_Boy_%28character%29)

"Adventures of Batboy

Cartoonist Peter Bagge originally penned the "Adventures of Batboy" for the Weekly World News. According to the cartoon, Bat Boy is currently hitchhiking with a typical American family after resigning from being the President of the United States (and King), has placed Weekly World News columnist Ed Anger under arrest and saying goodbyes to Beyoncé Knowles, a half sasquatch (with whom he was romantically involved), and Dr. Ron. According to past issues of WWN, Bat Boy has joined a death metal/thrash metal band as their lead singer."

It seems that Bat Boy finally went into music business... :lol:
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjjveritas on March 14, 2010, 02:22:43 PM
friendlikeme81, Thrash metal/Death metal cannot be considered music, more along the lines of "noise" in my opinion. So Bat Boy didn't go into the "music business". We have another hoax on our hands.  ;)
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on March 15, 2010, 04:53:41 PM
Quote from: "mjjveritas"
friendlikeme81, Thrash metal/Death metal cannot be considered music, more along the lines of "noise" in my opinion. So Bat Boy didn't go into the "music business". We have another hoax on our hands.  ;)

Oh no, mjjveritas, don't discourage me like that!  :lol:  ;)  
By the way, what's your problem with trash metal? You don't know my cell phone ring tone yet...    :lol:
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjjveritas on March 15, 2010, 05:00:36 PM
friendlikeme81, Ha ha, You said it yourself, TRASH not THRASH!  :lol:  ;)
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on March 15, 2010, 06:29:14 PM
Quote from: "mjjveritas"
friendlikeme81, Ha ha, You said it yourself, TRASH not THRASH!  :lol:  ;)

 :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on March 23, 2010, 02:21:53 PM
http://seeingclues.blogspot.com/search/label/mummy (http://seeingclues.blogspot.com/search/label/mummy)

Interesting!
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: Jacksonology on March 23, 2010, 02:27:05 PM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
http://seeingclues.blogspot.com/search/label/mummy

Interesting!
yep, read that ;) so... Who's Your Mummy?  :lol:
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on March 23, 2010, 05:59:48 PM
credits@seeingclues
[attachment=0:2q27kesv]wrappedtight.jpg[/attachment:2q27kesv]

After emerging from the spider we see Michael's transformation into a living dead (Thriller dance). Then standing in Will You Be There - position (arms spread+angels choire). From above mummies are gliding down from heaven like angels. Then Threatened starts, dancing again.

It's a simple metaphor. He really wants us to understand. ;)
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on March 27, 2010, 08:40:10 PM
[attachment=0:2r3uh8wl]somebody`s watching me.jpg[/attachment:2r3uh8wl]
credits@mikewell
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: Jacksonology on March 27, 2010, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
[attachment=0:3jmc9i3e]somebody`s watching me.jpg[/attachment:3jmc9i3e]
credits@mikewell
???
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on March 28, 2010, 09:37:00 AM
Quote from: "Jacksonology"
???

Sorry for not explaining ;)
mikewell is a mixture of Michael and Rockwell. I invented this name because I think Michael has a big part in a) the phantom figure on the arcade and b) the lyrics of "Somebody's watching me" and the design of the music video

see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY)  

There are several shots in the vid in which we can see scary figures either as a reflection respectively standing in plain sight, just like the phantom figure on the arcade picture.[attachment=0:ljf5ufsk]screenshot Somebody`s watching me.JPG[/attachment:ljf5ufsk]
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: Jacksonology on March 28, 2010, 12:14:00 PM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Quote from: "Jacksonology"
???

Sorry for not explaining ;)
mikewell is a mixture of Michael and Rockwell. I invented this name because I think Michael has a big part in a) the phantom figure on the arcade and b) the lyrics of "Somebody's watching me" and the design of the music video

see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY)  

There are several shots in the vid in which we can see scary figures either as a reflection respectively standing in plain sight, just like the phantom figure on the arcade picture.[attachment=0:1sb08wfl]screenshot Somebody`s watching me.JPG[/attachment:1sb08wfl]
Oh, gotcha 8-)
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: MJmakesmespeechless on April 03, 2010, 01:28:13 PM
Maybe it's a doll or manequin or something???
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: friendlikeme81 on April 03, 2010, 03:03:59 PM
Quote from: "MJmakesmespeechless"
Maybe it's a doll or manequin or something???

Yes, I thought of that, too. Could be something like that.
But I'm quite sure that it did not occur as an object in the real scenery but was added later to the picture.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: Working Hard on April 03, 2010, 03:05:09 PM
Allow me to make my case.
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjjveritas on April 03, 2010, 05:13:53 PM
Working Hard, I'm waiting!
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: Sarahli on April 03, 2010, 06:01:30 PM
Very interesting thread. I keep watching... :)
Title: Re: New optical illusion: Open casket on DaveDave-CNN footage??
Post by: mjjveritas on April 04, 2010, 10:18:28 AM
Working Hard, I'm still waiting!
Title: Re: Optical illusion again: Please debunk!
Post by: NickJ47 on April 13, 2010, 03:18:21 AM
Quote from: "SmellyJelly"
I think it is a FAKE picture.'Cause in the next picture, the reflection doesn't appear.
Even if the angle is different,the casket should appear.
Look:

(http://http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9852/davee.jpg)

Good point. I think the Hoax would have to be impeccably well planned to use subliminal messaging in only a brief shot of Michael.

BTW Smelly Jelly: What's the second GIF of Michael you have in your sig?
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