Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Investigation => The Death Certificate, The Autopsy Report & The Will => After June 25, 2009 => The Coroner and Autopsy Report => Topic started by: mykidsmum on February 08, 2010, 09:29:03 PM

Title: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mykidsmum on February 08, 2010, 09:29:03 PM
*Edit by Souza:

OK guys, there are way too many threads about the autopsy report, so I guess this would be a good time to make one thread to get all the autopsy weirdness in one thread. I will lock all the others, because it's too hard to keep up otherwise.

Weird stuff in the autopsy report:


OK, that's all I remember for now, please add all the stuff you have found.[/color]


Original post:

So, I read thru the autopsy report and wrote down all the terms I didn't understand.  I knew I would be looking at lung problems, rumors of o2 tanks and alpha 1....I saw he had RESPIRATORY BRONCHIOLITIS!  I started looking up all the terms and this one floored me!  It is caused by smoking!  MJ hid it well!  I have seen many pictures with a square shaped box in his pocket and always wondered (after seeing three pictures, one of MJ holding an unlit cigarette and one of MJ on a phone in a hotel room with a box of cigarettes on the table by the phone, and another picture I posted of him eating his dinner and an ashtray with a butt was in it between his plate of food) since seeing those I'm always looking at shapes in his pockets.  I guess my question is now answered.  Oh MJ!
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Boreas on February 08, 2010, 09:33:05 PM
I wouldn't blame him for smoking.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: ejay on February 08, 2010, 09:33:31 PM
hmm, MJ  either was a closet smoker OR the autopsy is not on OUR  MJ ;)  ;) I'm going with option #2.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: CC on February 08, 2010, 09:35:01 PM
THE DEAD MAN WASN´T MJ!
HE IS ALIVE!
I STILL BELIEVE!
KEEP THE FAITH!
 ;)
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: mollyosheaMJ on February 08, 2010, 09:36:40 PM
Not gonna lie-i somehow HIGHLY doubt MJ smoked.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: mykidsmum on February 08, 2010, 09:41:36 PM
Quote from: "mollyosheaMJ"
Not gonna lie-i somehow HIGHLY doubt MJ smoked.
if you believe the autopsy report released today belongs to Michael Jackson, then believe it or not, he smoked!  Read it yourself.  He has very marked diminished lung capacity and enough damage to cause health problems.  That explains all the 02 tanks his chef saw!
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: whisper on February 08, 2010, 09:46:00 PM
what MJ smoked ? what about his white teeth and pretty pink lips ?
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on February 08, 2010, 09:47:50 PM
Michael Jackson has stated he never smoked and never will, he hates what it does to your teeth and he said it would ruin his vocals. This autopsy is definitely fake.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: whisper on February 08, 2010, 09:54:34 PM
can u tell me on what page does it say that he smoked ?
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: gracesong on February 08, 2010, 09:55:35 PM
Yeah, but just because someone syas something one day doesn't mean they won't do ti another. From what I hear, smoking gives you a bit of a buzz, which often helps people deal with stress. I've got a good friend who only smoeks when things are super stressful for that very reason.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: LaLove09 on February 08, 2010, 09:57:22 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "mollyosheaMJ"
Not gonna lie-i somehow HIGHLY doubt MJ smoked.
if you believe the autopsy report released today belongs to Michael Jackson, then believe it or not, he smoked!  Read it yourself.  He has very marked diminished lung capacity and enough damage to cause health problems.  That explains all the 02 tanks his chef saw!

O2 tanks are needed/used because within moments after going under from
using Propofol, the patient can and WILL most likely stop breathing. That's
why is not to be used outside a hospital, becuase a TEAM is needed to monitor EVERYTHING &
step in during these instances. Dr Sanjay Gupta did it live on air on CNN and his
patient stop breathing immediately.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: loveratheart4mj on February 08, 2010, 09:59:58 PM
I cant even imagine MJ smoking. Thats crap. Just another lie. Stop swallowing that gullable crap you guys. Michael was smarter than that. He took care of his body and his voice. Smoking kills both.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: MorningGlow88 on February 08, 2010, 10:02:02 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
So, I read thru the autopsy report and wrote down all the terms I didn't understand.  I knew I would be looking at lung problems, rumors of o2 tanks and alpha 1....I saw he had RESPIRATORY BRONCHIOLITIS!  I started looking up all the terms and this one floored me!  It is caused by smoking!  MJ hid it well!  I have seen many pictures with a square shaped box in his pocket and always wondered (after seeing three pictures, one of MJ holding an unlit cigarette and one of MJ on a phone in a hotel room with a box of cigarettes on the table by the phone, and another picture I posted of him eating his dinner and an ashtray with a butt was in it between his plate of food) since seeing those I'm always looking at shapes in his pockets.  I guess my question is now answered.  Oh MJ!


I read the autopsy also and saw that. Found that very odd. Do you have copies of the pics your talking about?? I do think MJ was smart enough to kno smoking would mess his vocals up soooo, it's not really making sense. But then again, he hasn't preformed in so long it wouldn't matter.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: mollyosheaMJ on February 08, 2010, 10:05:45 PM
I don't think it mattered how long a period of time between Michael's performances that would cause him to smoke. He's smarter than that. He knows it would eff up his voice.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: gracesong on February 08, 2010, 10:10:46 PM
Yes, but again, just because something knows better than do something doesn't mean they won't do it. He was human, and hypocrisy can be part of human nature. I'm not accusing him of anything because I don't know him personally.
He sure wasn't perfect just like all of us aren't. Come on, give him some room o be human.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: virgo75 on February 08, 2010, 10:15:12 PM
People can have bronchiolitis, bronchitis, and even LUNG CANCER without smoking.

Doesn't mean that the person in the autopsy smoked.

For them to say that he smoked there would have been tar build-up in the lungs.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: JACKSONGIRL on February 08, 2010, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
So, I read thru the autopsy report and wrote down all the terms I didn't understand.  I knew I would be looking at lung problems, rumors of o2 tanks and alpha 1....I saw he had RESPIRATORY BRONCHIOLITIS!  I started looking up all the terms and this one floored me!  It is caused by smoking!  MJ hid it well!  I have seen many pictures with a square shaped box in his pocket and always wondered (after seeing three pictures, one of MJ holding an unlit cigarette and one of MJ on a phone in a hotel room with a box of cigarettes on the table by the phone, and another picture I posted of him eating his dinner and an ashtray with a butt was in it between his plate of food) since seeing those I'm always looking at shapes in his pockets.  I guess my question is now answered.  Oh MJ!
I'm sorry but you are wrong mj wasnt a smoker, my grandfather smoked and when you smoke your fingers become yellow and your teeth become discolored, Michael had perfect teeth and you can clearly tell he was not a smoker, just because he was beside an ash tray doesnt mean it was his, ever heard of being around people who are smokers, i used to walk out the house smelling like cigarettes thats doesnt mean i am the smoker, and it doesnt matter how much spray or cologne you put on that cigarette stench will always be there, and my grandpa took good are of his teeth but they still get discolored from the cigarettes and from the nicotine, if mj was a smoker we would clearly be able to notice it, and mj has said himself that he was never the type to drink or smoke, and while he started drinking a bit once he got older, i highly doubt he smoked, you would clearly have been able to notice it.  
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: JACKSONGIRL on February 08, 2010, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: "mollyosheaMJ"
I don't think it mattered how long a period of time between Michael's performances that would cause him to smoke. He's smarter than that. He knows it would eff up his voice.
yes exactly being a singer smoking would completely ruin his voice, im sure with a big tour coming up or any tours for that matter he would put himself in that position to smoke and destroy his voice.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: MorningGlow88 on February 08, 2010, 10:20:45 PM
I love MJ with alll of my heart but I'm also realistic. He was a very private man, and rightfully so. There is a great chance we don't know a lot about him. You've neva heard of.. "People can only know you as the person you show them"?  I agree, he was human.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Shout on February 08, 2010, 10:21:24 PM
Just because we never have seen MJ smoking does not mean that he did not do it. Usually I do not smoke and I hate it and always said that I will never do it, but finaly I sometimes did smoke and people looked very "stupid" at me bacause they would never expect that I would ever smoke...so...why not MJ...he was a human being. It just shows that we did not knew him!!!

It is strange nevertheless. I have a question what exactly is written in the AR concerning MJ and smoking. Is it clearly written there or is it a conclusion which was drawn here?
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Shout on February 08, 2010, 10:26:01 PM
Quote from: "gracesong"
Yes, but again, just because something knows better than do something doesn't mean they won't do it. He was human, and hypocrisy can be part of human nature. I'm not accusing him of anything because I don't know him personally.
He sure wasn't perfect just like all of us aren't. Come on, give him some room o be human.

Thank you!!
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: virgo75 on February 08, 2010, 10:29:17 PM
Quote from: "Shout"
Just because we never have seen MJ smoking does not mean that he did not do it. Usually I do not smoke and I hate it and always said that I will never do it, but finaly I sometimes did smoke and people looked very "stupid" at me bacause they would never expect that I would ever smoke...so...why not MJ...he was a human being. It just shows that we did not knew him!!!

It is strange nevertheless. I have a question what exactly is written in the AR concerning MJ and smoking. Is it clearly written there or is it a conclusion which was drawn here?


I don't think that any of us can know for sure 100% whether he smoked or not.
There was nothing in the autopsy report that said that he was a smoker.

The only thing that I think we need to keep in mind is that these illnesses can be present even without smoking.

People die of lung cancer never having smoked in their lives, but the MAJORITY of lung cancer sufferers are smokers.

Considering he had other health problems, it's possible this included his lungs.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: MorningGlow88 on February 08, 2010, 10:31:31 PM
Respiratory-Bronchiolitis-associated Interstitial Lung Disease: A relatively uncommon form of lung inflammation that has no apparent cause though the majority of patients have a history of smoking. Symptoms tend to develop over a period of six months to one and a half years. More detailed information about the symptoms, causes, and treatments of Respiratory-Bronchiolitis-associated Interstitial Lung Disease is available below.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: PinkTopaz on February 08, 2010, 10:35:04 PM
Who cares what the "autopsy" says- this a hoax death forum, he's alive and doing this for a reason, remember?
Sorry for the big words, but I think everyone needs to snap out of it, becausehether he smoked or not is totally irrelevant to why he hoaxed his death!
Title: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: TruthBTold80 on February 08, 2010, 10:53:57 PM
In the autopsy it's states that they identified Michael from his drivers licenses but here is the problem with that. Michael was only wearing a hospital gown there was no clothes with him so were could he have kept this identification? Also sounds to me it was pretty hectic in that house and I don't think grabbing a license was priority #1. So were did they get it from? Also if they did indeed identify him with it that would have meant somebody would have had to gone back to the house to get it while the doctors stand around and wait for it? that don't make any sense so my question of the odd is

WERE DID THEY GET THE LICENSE TO IDENTIFY HIM WITH IF ALL HE HAD WAS A NIGHTGOWN??????????? :?  :?  :?
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: simplyme on February 08, 2010, 10:57:32 PM
Quote from: mykidsmum
So, I read thru the autopsy report and wrote down all the terms I didn't understand.  I knew I would be looking at lung problems, rumors of o2 tanks and alpha 1....I saw he had RESPIRATORY BRONCHIOLITIS!  I started looking up all the terms and this one floored me!  It is caused by smoking!  MJ hid it well!  I have seen many pictures with a square shaped box in his pocket and always wondered (after seeing three pictures, one of MJ holding an unlit cigarette and one of MJ on a phone in a hotel room with a box of cigarettes on the table by the phone, and another picture I posted of him eating his dinner and an ashtray with a butt was in it between his plate of food) since seeing those I'm always looking at shapes in his pockets.  I guess my question is now answered.  Oh MJ![/quo te]

Many people get this [including non-smokers !] and it's usually viral.  It's common in children too.  I think it's a big leap to state as fact that Michael smoked.  You're sounding like tabloid now.
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: Shout on February 08, 2010, 10:59:06 PM
It was said that they did not recognized Michael Jackson, which I highly doubt. Maybe it was near the bedroom or in Michaels house somewhere, maybe a family member brought this licence. It does not make any sence they would just need a family member or his security to know that it was MJ. So does again not make sense at all...
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Shout on February 08, 2010, 11:04:46 PM
Quote from: "virgo75"
Quote from: "Shout"
Just because we never have seen MJ smoking does not mean that he did not do it. Usually I do not smoke and I hate it and always said that I will never do it, but finaly I sometimes did smoke and people looked very "stupid" at me bacause they would never expect that I would ever smoke...so...why not MJ...he was a human being. It just shows that we did not knew him!!!

It is strange nevertheless. I have a question what exactly is written in the AR concerning MJ and smoking. Is it clearly written there or is it a conclusion which was drawn here?


I don't think that any of us can know for sure 100% whether he smoked or not.
There was nothing in the autopsy report that said that he was a smoker.

The only thing that I think we need to keep in mind is that these illnesses can be present even without smoking.

People die of lung cancer never having smoked in their lives, but the MAJORITY of lung cancer sufferers are smokers.

Considering he had other health problems, it's possible this included his lungs.

I am comletely aware of those facts that is why I wanted to know why people draw their own conclusions so fast or if it was written in the AR. That shows again how fast people tend to draw conclusions which just mislead people! Thank you for reply
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: Love4Michael on February 08, 2010, 11:05:05 PM
My first post so excuse me for jumping in here.  I skimmed the report ~ didn't want to read any graphic details ~ and didn't catch anything else mentioning identification other that the visual comparison.  Was there no other method used?  You know... something slightly more reliable like DNA!!  I'm guessing that's a big NO!!  Things that make you go hmmmmm....
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: mjthelegendlives on February 08, 2010, 11:06:17 PM
Well I believe  that MJ is alive, therefore, in my opinion, it isn't his autopsy.  But in the worst of cases, if that is his autopsy ...Have you not thought of fog or smoke machines? Take a look at this...

Theatrical Fog and Artificial Mists

A number of studies have been published on the potential health effects presented by exposure to theatrical fogs and artificial mists.

The first study that was completed was done by Consultech Engineering, Co. under contract to Actor's Equity. The findings of the Consultech study were confirmed by two additional studies -- a Health Hazard Evaluation completed in 1994 by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, and another one in 2000 by the Department of Community and Preventative Medicine at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine and ENVIRON ; both prepared for Actors Equity and the League of American Theatres and Producers, focused on the effects on actors and performers in Broadway musicals. The conclusion of all three studies was that there was irritation of mucous membranes such as the eyes and the respiratory tract associated with extended peak exposure to theatrical fog.

Another study  focused on the use of theatrical fog in the commercial aviation industry for emergency training of staff in stimulated fire conditions. This study also found eye and respiratory tract irritation.

In May 2005, a study published in the American Journal of Industrial Medicine, conducted by the School of Environment and Health at the University of British Columbia, looked at adverse respiratory effects in crew members on a wide variety of entertainment venues ranging from live theatres, concerts, television and film productions to a video arcade. This study determined that cumulative exposure to mineral oil and glycol-based fogs were associated with acute and chronic adverse effects on respiratory health. This study found that short-term exposure to glycol fog was associated with coughing, dry throat, headaches, dizziness, drowsiness, and tiredness. This study also found long-term exposure to smoke and fog was associated with both short-term and long-term respiratory problems such as chest tightness and wheezing. Personnel working closest to the fog machines had reduced lung function results.

The Entertainment Services and Technology Association (ESTA) has compiled a standard for theatrical fogs or artificial mists compositions for use in entertainment venues that "are not likely to be harmful to otherwise healthy performers, technicians, or audience members of normal working age, which is 18 to 64 years of age, inclusive." This standard was based primarily (though not exclusively), upon the findings of a report commissioned for ESTA by the Cohen Group and applies only those fog fluid compositions that consist of a mixture of water and glycol (so called "water based" fog fluid).

Short term exposure to glycol fog can be associated with headaches, dizziness, drowsiness and tiredness. Long term exposure to smoke and fog can be related to upper airway and voice symptoms. Extended (multi-year) exposure to smoke and fog has been associated with both short-term and long-term respiratory health problems. Efforts should be made to reduce exposure to theatrical smoke to as low a level as possible. The use of digital effects in post production on film and television sets can be considered a safer practice than using theatrical smoke and fog during filming, although this is not always practical.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatrical_smoke_and_fog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatrical_smoke_and_fog)

And I agree with the poster above, bronchiolitis is very common, and can  be acquired by aspiration of food particles or liquids into the lungs.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: mehere on February 08, 2010, 11:08:45 PM
Quote from: "CC"
THE DEAD MAN WASN´T MJ!
HE IS ALIVE!
I STILL BELIEVE!
KEEP THE FAITH!
 ;)

Amen sister!
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: gracesong on February 08, 2010, 11:08:56 PM
Quote from: "PinkTopaz"
Who cares what the "autopsy" says- this a hoax death forum, he's alive and doing this for a reson, remember?
Sorry for the big words, but I think everyone needs to snap out of it, becausehether he smoked or not is totally irrelevant to why he hoaxed his death!
I'm sorry to say this, but it needs to be said. I'm not directing this directly at you, so don't take any offense or take it personally.
Yes, this is a hoax death forum, but are we a bunch of loons doing anything in our power, including discarding all reason and logic, to make the facts fit our pre-drawn conclusions, or are we individuals who do not like to just take things at face value and are searching logically for clues?
If we are the former, then we can't blame people for looking at us much like how one would look at someone parading around their house with nothing but pink underwear with bunnies on. If we are the latter, then let's be reasonable and not keep finding random details just so we can live another day without crying.
Besides, Michael wouldn't want us, i'm fairly certain, to be so dependent upon his existence. I mean, can you imagine? People are crying and killing themselves over you, literally!
If he's alive, he's got enough problems of his own and doesn't need to be worrying about our well-being too. Some might say he faked his death because he needed to get away; he was giving too much of himself. He's already given us 40, give or take, years of entertainment. What more do we want from him?
sorry for the rant, but this needs to be addressed if we're gonna have any kind of credibility with anybody.
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: Shout on February 08, 2010, 11:11:34 PM
But doesn´t the men (forgott the name I think it was Craig Harvey) mentioned in his emails that a license  was enough to prove the identity of somebody. I remember that it was allready discussed here. It makes me wonder if they did not supposedly recognized him...I would prefer a DNA test but I am not aware of those things. So cannot say much about it
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: B.E.L.I.E.V.E on February 08, 2010, 11:15:31 PM
I don't want to get personal but we had a "extended" family member pass. He had all of his info with him but still a family member had to id the body. Due to the circumstances no one wanted to but it had to be done.....I don't think a DL would have been enough....just my opinion
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Shout on February 08, 2010, 11:20:24 PM
Great expression gracesong!
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: PinkTopaz on February 08, 2010, 11:22:24 PM
Quote from: "gracesong"
Quote from: "PinkTopaz"
Who cares what the "autopsy" says- this a hoax death forum, he's alive and doing this for a reason, remember?
Sorry for the big words, but I think everyone needs to snap out of it, because whether he smoked or not is totally irrelevant to why he hoaxed his death!
I'm sorry to say this, but it needs to be said. I'm not directing this directly at you, so don't take any offense or take it personally.
Yes, this is a hoax death forum, but are we a bunch of loons doing anything in our power, including discarding all reason and logic, to make the facts fit our pre-drawn conclusions, or are we individuals who do not like to just take things at face value and are searching logically for clues?
If we are the former, then we can't blame people for looking at us much like how one would look at someone parading around their house with nothing but pink underwear with bunnies on. If we are the latter, then let's be reasonable and not keep finding random details just so we can live another day without crying.
Besides, Michael wouldn't want us, i'm fairly certain, to be so dependent upon his existence. I mean, can you imagine? People are crying and killing themselves over you, literally!
If he's alive, he's got enough problems of his own and doesn't need to be worrying about our well-being too. Some might say he faked his death because he needed to get away; he was giving too much of himself. He's already given us 40, give or take, years of entertainment. What more do we want from him?
sorry for the rant, but this needs to be addressed if we're gonna have any kind of credibility with anybody.
Of course we are the former- and we are being reasonable. The inconsistencies of people's stories about the 25th, the obviously Photosopped ambulance photo (I noticed it looked fake the minute I saw it, even though I was pouring like a leaky faucet), and the fact that his so-called death certificate says Joseph even though the FBI files proved it was Joe, along with many other reasonable, plausible things we have worked our butts off to find are enough for me.

I would know people are going to cry over me (how do we know people actually killed themselves?)therefore I would only do this for a very important reason, to expose something big and wrong that shouldn't exist- this isn't about us wanting stuff from him, this about him on a mission- Remember in TII, he's wearing a shirt that says Mission, and he himself added a 7 7 7 to it- Good luck on the mission.. There have been way too many coincidences such as that, and I think MJ said it himself that there's no such thing as coincidences..
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: gracesong on February 08, 2010, 11:27:44 PM
For a DNA test to take place, they would've need a reliable sample of MJ's known DNA, i.e. a fingerprint left on an item that only he would touch, hairs from his pillow, etc. Plus, those take time, too.
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: letstalkagain on February 08, 2010, 11:34:04 PM
You can get DNa from cheking both your parents DNA.  I have seen that on many forensic shows.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: gracesong on February 08, 2010, 11:35:43 PM
OK, this is my last post on the subject 'cause I don't want ot hijack this thread.
yes, those are strange coincidnences, but what if htey are just that? I'm of the opinion that especially with something as emotional as this, we need to kind of step back and almost, I repeat, almost not care about the outcome either way.
In the end he is his own person.
BTW, how can you see a picture clearly if your eyes are swollen and teary and your judgment's all clouded by grief? I'm not asking you specifically, but it's a rhetorical question and something to think about.
P.S. In a list of two things, the former is the first, and the latter is the second. Just thought I'd let you know because i think you meant that you were being reasonable. :)
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: TinkerbellStardust on February 08, 2010, 11:38:20 PM
Quote from: "ejay"
hmm, MJ  either was a closet smoker OR the autopsy is not on OUR  MJ ;)  ;) I'm going with option #2.

I'm with you! :D
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: PinkTopaz on February 08, 2010, 11:42:50 PM
Quote from: "gracesong"
OK, this is my last post on the subject 'cause I don't want ot hijack this thread.
yes, those are strange coincidnences, but what if htey are just that? I'm of the opinion that especially with something as emotional as this, we need to kind of step back and almost, I repeat, almost not care about the outcome either way.
In the end he is his own person.
BTW, how can you see a picture clearly if your eyes are swollen and teary and your judgment's all clouded by grief? I'm not asking you specifically, but it's a rhetorical question and something to think about.
P.S. In a list of two things, the former is the first, and the latter is the second. Just thought I'd let you know because i think you meant that you were being reasonable. :)
ACH, I knew I'd make some kind of mistake in there.. And oh, come on, they repeated that stupid pic a thousand times that day AND my eyes don't swelll when I cry.  ;)  And no, there are too many to be coincidences, and I've been at this too long to just take my belief back just like that.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: King_Michael on February 08, 2010, 11:51:15 PM
So in TII he had inflamed lungs? didnt sound like it and regarding him being a smoker I dont think he was but if it turns out he was one hey so be it he is a human and I still love Michael
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: gracesong on February 08, 2010, 11:52:19 PM
We definitely don't have to take our beliefs back. In fact, we can still keep on looking for clues, but let's look at both sides of the story before we cling to our side 'cause we feel it's the only right side. :)
Well, guys, have a great evening. :)
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: PinkTopaz on February 08, 2010, 11:54:04 PM
Quote from: "gracesong"
We definitely don't have to take our beliefs back. In fact, we can still keep on looking for clues, but let's look at both sides of the story before we cling to our side 'cause we feel it's the only right side. :)
Well, guys, have a great evening. :)
Nyeh, but isn't that what you're supposed to do when you think something's right?

You, too!
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Doctor Death on February 09, 2010, 12:01:35 AM
Look I really dont thnk he smoked. That would have caused accumulation between his teeth and also would have affected his lips.Although MJ used lipstick on most of the occasions, there are a lot of photos where he isnt wearing lipstick and the natural colour of lips is not like that of a smoker.

Plus if he had damaged lungs he wouldnt have danced the way he was dancing in TII....plus he sang very well too.
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: CrazyBanana on February 09, 2010, 12:16:36 AM
What I want to know is if they identified him from his drivers license they would have cought the JOE and not JOSEPH!
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: mykidsmum on February 09, 2010, 12:18:16 AM
Quote from: "JACKSONGIRL"
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
So, I read thru the autopsy report and wrote down all the terms I didn't understand.  I knew I would be looking at lung problems, rumors of o2 tanks and alpha 1....I saw he had RESPIRATORY BRONCHIOLITIS!  I started looking up all the terms and this one floored me!  It is caused by smoking!  MJ hid it well!  I have seen many pictures with a square shaped box in his pocket and always wondered (after seeing three pictures, one of MJ holding an unlit cigarette and one of MJ on a phone in a hotel room with a box of cigarettes on the table by the phone, and another picture I posted of him eating his dinner and an ashtray with a butt was in it between his plate of food) since seeing those I'm always looking at shapes in his pockets.  I guess my question is now answered.  Oh MJ!
I'm sorry but you are wrong mj wasnt a smoker, my grandfather smoked and when you smoke your fingers become yellow and your teeth become discolored, Michael had perfect teeth and you can clearly tell he was not a smoker, just because he was beside an ash tray doesnt mean it was his, ever heard of being around people who are smokers, i used to walk out the house smelling like cigarettes thats doesnt mean i am the smoker, and it doesnt matter how much spray or cologne you put on that cigarette stench will always be there, and my grandpa took good are of his teeth but they still get discolored from the cigarettes and from the nicotine, if mj was a smoker we would clearly be able to notice it, and mj has said himself that he was never the type to drink or smoke, and while he started drinking a bit once he got older, i highly doubt he smoked, you would clearly have been able to notice it.  
LOL you didn't read the report did you?  If you did you would have seen that most of MJ's teeth were restorative vaneers.  How could you tell if his nails were yellow or not, because they were brown?
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: mykidsmum on February 09, 2010, 12:30:01 AM
hey guys, you need to read the report and form your own oppinion.  Here is what formed mine
-resperatory bronchiolitis
-chronic interstitial pneumonitis
-aggregates of hevily pigmented macrophages (the cells that eat up the smoke and discolor the lungs)
-thickening of brochioloalviolar walls
-aggregates of pigmented histiocytes
-patchy histiocytic desquamation
-squamous metaplasia (unique to smokers)
-birefringent
-histiocytes contained birefringent particulates in association with anthracotic pigment
-fibrocolleginous scars
here is one of the pictures.  Notice the ashtray?
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: MJsbasheret on February 09, 2010, 12:33:02 AM
Wait...we saw a supposed picture of MJ in the ambulance on the way to the hospital where they said he was unrecognizable? Huh?! How is that possible? He looked EXACTALLY like MJ in that ambulance picture!
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: iMJacksonfaN on February 09, 2010, 12:37:44 AM
MyKidsMum, do you notice there are a guy taking this photo?.. Do you notice it's NOT only MJ eating.
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: SEHF on February 09, 2010, 12:46:11 AM
Quote from: "MJsbasheret"
Wait...we saw a supposed picture of MJ in the ambulance on the way to the hospital where they said he was unrecognizable? Huh?! How is that possible? He looked EXACTALLY like MJ in that ambulance picture!

No doubt.. he looked just like MJ always looked.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: FactFinderMJ on February 09, 2010, 12:47:18 AM
dont know if he smokes but he has a cig in this pic!

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/answers ... 52_300.jpg (http://images2.fanpop.com/image/answers/215000/215707_1258632195590.37res_452_300.jpg)
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: voiceforthesilent on February 09, 2010, 12:48:55 AM
Quote from: "TruthBTold80"
In the autopsy it's states that they identified Michael from his drivers licenses but here is the problem with that. Michael was only wearing a hospital gown there was no clothes with him so were could he have kept this identification? Also sounds to me it was pretty hectic in that house and I don't think grabbing a license was priority #1. So were did they get it from? Also if they did indeed identify him with it that would have meant somebody would have had to gone back to the house to get it while the doctors stand around and wait for it? that don't make any sense so my question of the odd is

WERE DID THEY GET THE LICENSE TO IDENTIFY HIM WITH IF ALL HE HAD WAS A NIGHTGOWN??????????? :?  :?  :?

I thought I had read a long time ago that Michael didn't have a valid driver's license? Maybe I'm wrong but hmm...something doesn't sound right.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on February 09, 2010, 12:54:06 AM
Quote from: "FactFinderMJ"
dont know if he smokes but he has a cig in this pic!

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/answers ... 52_300.jpg (http://images2.fanpop.com/image/answers/215000/215707_1258632195590.37res_452_300.jpg)

He was only posing with a cigarette, it's not lit  ;)
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: azazel31 on February 09, 2010, 02:21:40 AM
and why between Michael    Jackson is a comma??
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: loyalfan on February 09, 2010, 02:38:26 AM
I AGREE WITH THE REMARK ABOUT THE AMBULANCE PHOTO.........OH PLEASE!!!!DONT EXPECT US TO  BELIEVE MICHEAL WAS UNRECOGNISABLE............SO CAN ANYONE SUGGEST HOW ON EARTH YESTERDAYS CIRCUS ADDS UP........FOR THE LIFE OF ME I CANT FIGURE THIS OUT.......DO YOU THINK WE WILL HAVE TO WATCH THE TRIAL GO AHEAD........JUST AS MICHEAL WENT TO TRIAL????.......SO AS TO PROVE THE POINT............THEN........BAM.............XXXXXX.........I AM INTERESTED TO HEAR OTHER IDEAS.......
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: TinkerbellStardust on February 09, 2010, 03:59:49 AM
Quote from: "mehere"
Quote from: "CC"
THE DEAD MAN WASN´T MJ!
HE IS ALIVE!
I STILL BELIEVE!
KEEP THE FAITH!
 ;)

Amen sister!

Oh, yeah! Amen to that!
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: LSK on February 09, 2010, 04:44:24 AM
I don't know if he smoked -he could have done- but it might have also been caused by singing in smokey nightclubs at such a young age that might have impacted on his lungs.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: agathi on February 09, 2010, 04:46:58 AM
smoking can kill...but he could be ill for another smokers..pathetic smokers :?  :cry:
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: carlea80 on February 09, 2010, 04:54:11 AM
I havent read the report as I know Mike is alive....yesterday proved nothing!!! As for Mj smoked- well wouldnt it have been leaked ages ago...yes Mike had an image to keep up but Lisa marie stated years ago he was a normal guy who drank/swore etc...besides people dont forget Lisa herself smoked...anyways out of all the books written about him does it ever mention he smoked/smokes?.plus sneddon would have delighted in leaking that as he did every aspect of Mjs life......i dont recall it... :lol:

keep the faith guys....peace and love to all...xxx
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Its her on February 09, 2010, 04:56:41 AM
Hey---boys and girls, please, calm down.
1st of all, you're right: MJ was human, as lots of us are, but without ever smoking. "Human" doesn't automatically mean an easy mark for bad habits. He was never a smoker--he read and knew too much, and was far more responsible with his body and what he put into it, and just way too careful with his voice--since a child, using his earnings to buy lozenges!!
 
2nd, He wouldn't've lasted 15- 20 MINUTES with his stage routine, if he were a smoker---no, not even when he was in his twenties----let alone the tour usual, two hours!!  Even an occasional smoker, a non-chain-smoker who ends up quitting, will tell you they notice the difference immediately in taking stairs or walking blocks.

3rd, nicotine would have seriously wrecked any chance of healing properly, when he had any surgery, ESPECIALLY facial, so close to the brain, where the risk and result of infection is monstrous and dangerous. Nicotine slows down circulation. The Life of the flesh is in the blood... *Smoking* tobacco particularly, saps the body of antioxidents required for healing and health---which is one reason for so much back(disc) pain in the U.S.

(BTW, MJ's back problems were not due to smoking-- don't even try it, going there, by my saying it. Some of it was due to what he said were injuries in concerts. But...A real doctor who cared about helping him should have told him: unless he's a gymnast, to stay off the trampoline after 30, as well!   NOT angry with YOU guys. I just HATE opportunistic, self-serving quacks!)

Anyway,

4th, Most kids, even late bloomers, and those with higher than average IQs, TRY a cigarette, once--and as soon as they taste their "smoked" raw fruits (UCK) they quit in a hurry! but I think he was more fascinated with how it LOOKED as a behavior to MIME for show--not to actually poison his temple with, and I've seen him mimic this and laugh. (SO cute!)

5th, As for the photos of MJ...why worry about it NOW, 25-30 years later, especially if all you got is TWO pieces of "evidence"??  We have millions of frames of film of MJ.  SOMEone would have caught it way more often than 2 shots.

6th, considering that it was forbidden by his religion of 37-8 years, I can't see him even trying to sneak one during that time!

THINK, first. Scream later, if NECESSARY. In this case, it's really not....

We are supposed to be INVESTIGATORS, here. I always appreciate eagle-eyes, just keep a cool head and step back from the creepy startling emotions for the first minute.

I'm NOT shooting you down---just reminding you to not be swept away on error with such inconsequential documentation. Think about his lifestyle---on the road, in hotels and sometimes a pinch-hitting bus or two with other musicians--non-singers who smoke like fiends. I'd be suspicious if I NEVER saw an ashtray around in those situations. Now, at first, I couldn't think of WHY MJ would leave the stinky ash tray in front of him in the one picture, in the *midst* of his lunch, until I saw the watermelon.  Some folk don't eat the seeds...
7th, I remember MJ saying something about secondhand smoke once---I can't remember what, except it bothered his throat. I think it was one excuse to wear the masks, HE wore---no, no, it was the L.A.smog. So...if one can't take the smog, one for certain does not smoke.

Finally, I don't think ANYthing anyone wants to examine here, is UN necessary! You never know what may turn out to be KEY in deciphering some other HOAX clue--say, "is it MJ or NOT"--in the course of this "adventure". So, thank you for the OP!
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Its her on February 09, 2010, 05:00:48 AM
P.S. Remember, the guy who was autopsied cannot be MJ, because MJ lives!

We can dissect the subject for clues, but lets not get confused about it NOT being Jackson!
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: carlea80 on February 09, 2010, 05:19:35 AM
Quote from: "loyalfan"
I AGREE WITH THE REMARK ABOUT THE AMBULANCE PHOTO.........OH PLEASE!!!!DONT EXPECT US TO  BELIEVE MICHEAL WAS UNRECOGNISABLE............SO CAN ANYONE SUGGEST HOW ON EARTH YESTERDAYS CIRCUS ADDS UP........FOR THE LIFE OF ME I CANT FIGURE THIS OUT.......DO YOU THINK WE WILL HAVE TO WATCH THE TRIAL GO AHEAD........JUST AS MICHEAL WENT TO TRIAL????.......SO AS TO PROVE THE POINT............THEN........BAM.............XXXXXX.........I AM INTERESTED TO HEAR OTHER IDEAS.......


yes i think we will have too to get the point of what the media and governements can put people through...mikes lesson to teach us...the autopsy was crap-sorry people...nothing new and a drivers license??come on...like we siad the not recognising him but a worldwide photo? then how he was buried in sheets-not what we were told then why wait 6weeks to take a hair sample for toxicology...they would do it there and then surely?!!! i for one am sick of all the lies form all parties and want the damn truth!!! whose with me...i will say though if mj did pass...big IF...then i for one will get the biggest collection of Mj fans ever seen and stay outside the lapd and da office 24/7 til the REAL truth comes out... :lol:

keep believeing all..xxx
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: dontmakeitfactual on February 09, 2010, 05:20:33 AM
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
Quote from: "FactFinderMJ"
dont know if he smokes but he has a cig in this pic!

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/answers ... 52_300.jpg (http://images2.fanpop.com/image/answers/215000/215707_1258632195590.37res_452_300.jpg)

He was only posing with a cigarette, it's not lit  ;)

That's not even him!
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Disco on February 09, 2010, 05:27:10 AM
Lets cut this now, its not important if Michael smoked or not, What is important is the autopsy report & seen as we all believe this is a Hoax then the autopsy has to be false so lets be looking closer at the autopsy  ;)
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tina K. on February 09, 2010, 05:42:58 AM
Quote from: "dontmakeitfactual"
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
Quote from: "FactFinderMJ"
dont know if he smokes but he has a cig in this pic!

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/answers ... 52_300.jpg (http://images2.fanpop.com/image/answers/215000/215707_1258632195590.37res_452_300.jpg)

He was only posing with a cigarette, it's not lit  ;)

That's not even him!
This IS Michael, during the Bad Tour.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tereza on February 09, 2010, 05:52:07 AM
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
Michael Jackson has stated he never smoked and never will, he hates what it does to your teeth and he said it would ruin his vocals. This autopsy is definitely fake.
I agree! 100% sure he didn't smoke!!!
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: 2good2btrue on February 09, 2010, 05:55:16 AM
I think alot of you are forgetting this:::::::My mother died from Lupus (SLE).  Her lungs failed her in the end. She developed bronchiolitis, and drowned with blood.. The report does mention arthritis, which is also caused by LUPUS.
Lupus and Lung Problems
Cardiopulmonary, or heart and lung problems, occur frequently in people with systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE), according to the Lupus Foundation of America. Complications in these organs can can be mild, moderate, serious or even life-threatening. Problems with the lungs from lupus may include pleuritis (an inflammation of the sac around the lung), pneumonitis, (inflammation of the lung) or blood clots in the lung.
Rheumatoid Arthritis and Lung Problems
Rheumatoid arthritis (RA) usually affects the joints and surrounding tissue but can also affect your lungs, according to mayoclinic.com. RA can cause the lining of the lungs to become inflamed, fluid to accumulate around the lungs or scarring of connective tissue or small airways in the lungs.
Other Autoimmune Disorders and Lung Problems
Vasculitis is an autoimmune disorder that attacks the blood vessels. Inflammation of the blood vessels causes them to cut off nutrients in the blood supply to certain organs, especially the kidneys and sometimes the lungs.
Multiple sclerosis is an immune disorder of the central nervous system that causes low respiratory (breathing) function in many patients with the illness. The muscles that control breathing can weaken and patients have a bigger risk of getting pneumonia or complications in the lungs.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: ButterflyMagic on February 09, 2010, 06:17:00 AM
MJ smoked!!? Nope.. I don't think so because if he was a Smoker he wouldn't be able to sing because he would cough by stages while he is singing...Just no way....
Maybe he has just tried in the past but not a smoker.
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: alovesmichael on February 09, 2010, 06:23:24 AM
[quote whose with me...i will say though if mj did pass...big IF...then i for one will get the biggest collection of Mj fans ever seen and stay outside the lapd and da office 24/7 til the REAL truth comes out...  
][/quote]

I'm definitely up for that!  :lol:  I want the whole truth even if it might be unbearably painful...
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: alovesmichael on February 09, 2010, 06:54:21 AM
Quote from: "2good2btrue"
I think alot of you are forgetting this:::::::My mother died from Lupus (SLE).  Her lungs failed her in the end. She developed bronchiolitis, and drowned with blood.. The report does mention arthritis, which is also caused by LUPUS.
Lupus and Lung Problems
Cardiopulmonary, or heart and lung problems, occur frequently in people with systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE), according to the Lupus Foundation of America. Complications in these organs can can be mild, moderate, serious or even life-threatening. Problems with the lungs from lupus may include pleuritis (an inflammation of the sac around the lung), pneumonitis, (inflammation of the lung) or blood clots in the lung.
Rheumatoid Arthritis and Lung Problems
Rheumatoid arthritis (RA) usually affects the joints and surrounding tissue but can also affect your lungs, according to mayoclinic.com. RA can cause the lining of the lungs to become inflamed, fluid to accumulate around the lungs or scarring of connective tissue or small airways in the lungs.
Other Autoimmune Disorders and Lung Problems
Vasculitis is an autoimmune disorder that attacks the blood vessels. Inflammation of the blood vessels causes them to cut off nutrients in the blood supply to certain organs, especially the kidneys and sometimes the lungs.
Multiple sclerosis is an immune disorder of the central nervous system that causes low respiratory (breathing) function in many patients with the illness. The muscles that control breathing can weaken and patients have a bigger risk of getting pneumonia or complications in the lungs.

Great post! And I'm really sorry about your mum  :(  This just shows that there can always be more than one explanation to things and we shouldn't always jump to our own conclusions. I'm not saying that Michael wasn't a smoker but neither am I saying that he was. None of us really know anything about his private life and therefore we can't really say "Michael wouldn't do this or that". Remember that he's the most famous person on this planet and he has an image to live up to. I've discovered a lot of knew unexpected things about Michael since June and they just make me love him more  :D Even if he did smoke, what's wrong with that? Btw my b-friend has been a smoker for more than 10 years and I've never even touched a cigarette in my whole life but when we go out running I'll be out of breath quite fast while he just keeps going. Proves that we can't generalise...
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: Kirsche on February 09, 2010, 07:10:34 AM
Just Like BLONDEGRL in another topic said.

At the first page it said he had Brown hair  (???) and at other pages it is said he had Black hair...


And I can't believe that , if he was so unrecognizable, it is enough to identify him through his DL (oooh Shamone ;) )

And really bad work...his name on the DL is Michael JOE Jackson..

on the autopsy report it is Michael JOSPEH Jackson....
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: MJsForever on February 09, 2010, 07:15:37 AM
I loved Michael, but I think its time to face it...  He is gone.
The DL is a formallity, they knew who Michael Jackson was, who wouldn't.
He didn't need DNA, His family was all there and id'ed him as well.... I would love to find a big hole in this autopsey report, but there isn't one.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: reading_on on February 09, 2010, 07:17:37 AM
Many people get this [including non-smokers !] and it's usually viral.  It's common in children too.  I think it's a big leap to state as fact that Michael smoked.  You're sounding like tabloid now.[/quote]


 I agree that we should not take that leap and just blatantly say that. There is strong evidence that smoking causes it though.  

Here is a piece from a real medical journal ( I am a member of a doctor site....cause I am OCD about diseases..lol. and it was before they checked credentials) Don't let the part about one patient dying from the progressive disease speak to you, I read about this disease a bit there and it seems that most doctors consider this minor and not progressive.

Respiratory bronchiolitis-interstitial lung disease (RB-ILD) is a rare disease that falls under the rubric of idiopathic interstitial pneumonias (IIP) and has a strong association with smoking. Pathologically, the disease is characterized by pigmented macrophages within the lumen of respiratory bronchioles and alveolar ducts. This would be the "RB" component of the disease. When this is seen in the context of clinical interstitial lung disease, then the disease is referred to as RB-ILD. This disease has an excellent prognosis and perception of resolution with the cessation of smoking.

This article presents a case series of 32 patients with RB-ILD seen over a 17-year period at National Jewish Medical and Research Center in Denver, Colorado. The first point to make concerning this article is that if it took the folks at National Jewish 17 years to accrue 34 such cases, suggesting this disease must truly be very rare. Alternatively, such cases might not be referred to tertiary centers such as National Jewish and/or this case series reflects a more severe spectrum of this disease.

All of the patients were former or current smokers. The surprise from this series is in the long-term follow-up that appears to fly in the face of previously held conventional wisdom. Specifically, clinical improvement occurred in only 28% of the patients, 28% of patients were unchanged, and 44% worsened. However, only 1 patient died of progressive ILD, while 2 died from non-small-cell lung cancer. The overall rate of longer than 7-year survival was 75%. The clinical course did not appear to be affected by whether patients were successful in their quest to stop smoking.

The authors conclude the RB-ILD is not a benign disease because symptoms and physiology only improve in a minority of patients.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: reading_on on February 09, 2010, 07:20:10 AM
Quote from: "2good2btrue"
I think alot of you are forgetting this:::::::My mother died from Lupus (SLE).  Her lungs failed her in the end. She developed bronchiolitis, and drowned with blood.. The report does mention arthritis, which is also caused by LUPUS.
Lupus and Lung Problems
Cardiopulmonary, or heart and lung problems, occur frequently in people with systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE), according to the Lupus Foundation of America. Complications in these organs can can be mild, moderate, serious or even life-threatening. Problems with the lungs from lupus may include pleuritis (an inflammation of the sac around the lung), pneumonitis, (inflammation of the lung) or blood clots in the lung.
Rheumatoid Arthritis and Lung Problems
Rheumatoid arthritis (RA) usually affects the joints and surrounding tissue but can also affect your lungs, according to mayoclinic.com. RA can cause the lining of the lungs to become inflamed, fluid to accumulate around the lungs or scarring of connective tissue or small airways in the lungs.
Other Autoimmune Disorders and Lung Problems
Vasculitis is an autoimmune disorder that attacks the blood vessels. Inflammation of the blood vessels causes them to cut off nutrients in the blood supply to certain organs, especially the kidneys and sometimes the lungs.
Multiple sclerosis is an immune disorder of the central nervous system that causes low respiratory (breathing) function in many patients with the illness. The muscles that control breathing can weaken and patients have a bigger risk of getting pneumonia or complications in the lungs.

ahh yes, you must be very close to this subject and know a lot about it! I can't say enough how I put faith in people's personal experiences with disease. I learned so much about cancer through my family's disease.
Bless your heart for the painful education you have received about lupus.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: MJLover1990 on February 09, 2010, 07:22:56 AM
Quote from: "gracesong"
Yes, but again, just because something knows better than do something doesn't mean they won't do it. He was human, and hypocrisy can be part of human nature. I'm not accusing him of anything because I don't know him personally.
He sure wasn't perfect just like all of us aren't. Come on, give him some room o be human.

A-M-E-N! I absolutely agree with you, Some people sometimes forget that he was human too and not perfect at all no one is perfect but he comes close to it but still like every human being Michael has his faults too but that is because we're all human beings.
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: Kirsche on February 09, 2010, 07:24:55 AM
Quote from: "MJsForever"
I loved Michael, but I think its time to face it...  He is gone.
The DL is a formallity, they knew who Michael Jackson was, who wouldn't.
He didn't need DNA, His family was all there and id'ed him as well.... I would love to find a big hole in this autopsey report, but there isn't one.


Where do you know from, that the family identified him?

And there a lot of little holes in it....

Do you lose hope just because this report came out?

I do not even think that this report is real. TMZ is a tabloid and I don't think that they would get a real coroner report for the public... Remember TMZ are the only who got this "Report"
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Jude on February 09, 2010, 07:33:45 AM
Funny! I asked the same question a few months ago and was bashed smashed and told to eff off, cant find the post now, must have been deleted. You know, we spend an awful lot of wasted time talking about the same things,over and over,just sayin'  :roll:
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Grace on February 09, 2010, 07:50:51 AM
I read between the lines and I read that there was no more air left to breath for him.
That's why he had to breach free like Willy and that's why we saw the open windows at Murray's child support court setup.

Don't take the coroner's report factual because it is full of false statements that lead me to only one conclusion: this is fake as all the other documents that were published by TMZ.
This serves only to stir up the heat. It is a dramatical element of storybooks.

First we have the case that something bad happened.
Then we need helpers to reinforce the impression that something bad happened.
(remember the proof picture that Christopher Weiss took the ambulance picture)
Then we need the opinion builders and opinion leaders to convince the doubting that something happened in a certain manner.
Then we need the followers supporting the case.
Then we need to stir up the followers to become activ / demonstrators (we witnessed those yelling "murderer" at the airport court house)
Then we need to reinforce the actors that they are doing right.
This is where this report falls into place. The activists need food to keep going.
The whole plott will be stirred up to boiling temperature, wait for it.
The hotter the closer to BAMs Day.

This is something I added to another thread:
viewtopic.php?f=49&t=5141&start=50 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=5141&start=50)
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: Eva R on February 09, 2010, 08:02:37 AM
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Quote from: "MJsForever"
I loved Michael, but I think its time to face it...  He is gone.
The DL is a formallity, they knew who Michael Jackson was, who wouldn't.
He didn't need DNA, His family was all there and id'ed him as well.... I would love to find a big hole in this autopsey report, but there isn't one.


Where do you know from, that the family identified him?

And there a lot of little holes in it....

Do you lose hope just because this report came out?

I do not even think that this report is real. TMZ is a tabloid and I don't think that they would get a real coroner report for the public... Remember TMZ are the only who got this "Report"
yeah! And think about it, Michael just started his BIGGEST tour ever just before he died. a (week?) before he died he showed his kids without masks. just BEfore Michael died the jacksons made a reality show and they wanted to do a jackson 5 reunion but NEVER talked about Michael. after Michael 'died' they still did the reality show. (yeah your bro died, just go on with the reality show -_-" )
This Is It rehearsels were filmed in HD and beautiful quality. 100 hours footage but just 7 outfits in the movie. And yeah they made a movie of it.
Michael was NOT on a few RIP list INCLUDED the grammys. the biggest music awards and the boss is a friend of Michael.
the kids NEVER said 1 thing like: Daddy is gone or not even: we miss him!! NO PAIN!!!

THOSE THINGS ARE NOT COINCIDENCE!!!!! please think about that and think that Michael knows what he does.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: mjjveritas on February 09, 2010, 08:31:01 AM
If I was trying to eat a meal, there would not be a disgusting ashtray between me and my plate. :shock:  In fact I wouldn't have a ashtray on the same table. I wouldn't even be in the same room as someone smoking if I was dining.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: smiles on February 09, 2010, 08:46:50 AM
Quote from: "JACKSONGIRL"
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
So, I read thru the autopsy report and wrote down all the terms I didn't understand.  I knew I would be looking at lung problems, rumors of o2 tanks and alpha 1....I saw he had RESPIRATORY BRONCHIOLITIS!  I started looking up all the terms and this one floored me!  It is caused by smoking!  MJ hid it well!  I have seen many pictures with a square shaped box in his pocket and always wondered (after seeing three pictures, one of MJ holding an unlit cigarette and one of MJ on a phone in a hotel room with a box of cigarettes on the table by the phone, and another picture I posted of him eating his dinner and an ashtray with a butt was in it between his plate of food) since seeing those I'm always looking at shapes in his pockets.  I guess my question is now answered.  Oh MJ!
I'm sorry but you are wrong mj wasnt a smoker, my grandfather smoked and when you smoke your fingers become yellow and your teeth become discolored, Michael had perfect teeth and you can clearly tell he was not a smoker, just because he was beside an ash tray doesnt mean it was his, ever heard of being around people who are smokers, i used to walk out the house smelling like cigarettes thats doesnt mean i am the smoker, and it doesnt matter how much spray or cologne you put on that cigarette stench will always be there, and my grandpa took good are of his teeth but they still get discolored from the cigarettes and from the nicotine, if mj was a smoker we would clearly be able to notice it, and mj has said himself that he was never the type to drink or smoke, and while he started drinking a bit once he got older, i highly doubt he smoked, you would clearly have been able to notice it.  


well im not saying MJ was a smoker.. i really find that hard to believe myself.. however you do not have to get yellow fingers from smoking.. i smoke.. and my finger are NOT yellow..  :o
and the teeth problem could be fixed with a bit of bleach... so that the teeth stay white..

you can't use that facts as a proff.. sorry.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: mykidsmum on February 09, 2010, 08:51:53 AM
Quote from: "Shout"
Just because we never have seen MJ smoking does not mean that he did not do it. Usually I do not smoke and I hate it and always said that I will never do it, but finaly I sometimes did smoke and people looked very "stupid" at me bacause they would never expect that I would ever smoke...so...why not MJ...he was a human being. It just shows that we did not knew him!!!

It is strange nevertheless. I have a question what exactly is written in the AR concerning MJ and smoking. Is it clearly written there or is it a conclusion which was drawn here?
it's my conclusion based on the findings of the lung condition.  You should read it.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: mykidsmum on February 09, 2010, 08:56:21 AM
Quote from: "iMJacksonfaN"
MyKidsMum, do you notice there are a guy taking this photo?.. Do you notice it's NOT only MJ eating.
and do you notice the person's place setting is next to MJ, unless of course MJ doesn't mind his guest leaning over his dinner to smash out a butt every now and then.  If it's the other guy smoking, why does't he keep his ashtray next to his own food, why between MJ's plate?  Come on, use your logic!
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: reading_on on February 09, 2010, 09:02:29 AM
Quote
It is strange nevertheless. I have a question what exactly is written in the AR concerning MJ and smoking. Is it clearly written there or is it a conclusion which was drawn here?
it's my conclusion based on the findings of the lung condition.  You should read it.[/quote]

I knew where you were coming from  :D.  So I am not beating up on you. I am all for common sense.

I just think one of the common mistakes on this board and maybe with a lot of investigations in saying something is fact when there is only strong speculation. I think you have every right to speculate that he smoked. All the articles I have read tie this disease to it. So the facts I see here is
FACT: the autopsy said there was this condition
FACT: All articles say that is strongly tied to smoking.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: mykidsmum on February 09, 2010, 09:03:28 AM
Quote from: "mjjveritas"
If I was trying to eat a meal, there would not be a disgusting ashtray between me and my plate. :shock:  In fact I wouldn't have a ashtray on the same table. I wouldn't even be in the same room as someone smoking if I was dining.
at least one person is suspending their personal feelings and using logic... can I say I think I luv you!  LOL! :lol:
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: mykidsmum on February 09, 2010, 09:15:29 AM
listen guys and gals, I think everyone should read the report to make their own conclusions.  MJ is human, if he smoked or not, I still love him.  I know he had lupus and if this is the root of his lung problems, or a contributing factor, then I feel for him.  As for MJ knowing about smoking and taking care of his health so he wouldn't do that....anyone who believes that is fooling themselves.  ALL SMOKERS know smoking kills and still they choose to do it.  MJ also had enlarged prostate that effected elimination of urine and caused his bladder to become distended and thickened and he had a few colon polyps which shows he wasn't taking as good of care of himself as he should have been.  Had he been on top of his health and had a colonoscopy he would have had both of those issues taken care of.  And to the person who shared info about her mother and Lupus.  Thank you for sharing, my prayers are with you and your family.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: MJLuva84 on February 09, 2010, 09:22:45 AM
Quote from: "whisper"
what MJ smoked ? what about his white teeth and pretty pink lips ?

Ummm...not to seem rude but you don't honestly believe that brown skinned African American man's lips were naturally that pink do u? They were tattooed because brown lips would have looked kinda strang on skin with no pigment. Now if you were pertaining to the fact that the cigarettes didn't chnage the color of his tatted lips is up in the air for me...I dunno if they would.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: mjjveritas on February 09, 2010, 09:30:06 AM
mykidsmum, Well in that case, I love you too! :lol:
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bee Bee on February 09, 2010, 10:13:57 AM
Quote from: "mjjveritas"
If I was trying to eat a meal, there would not be a disgusting ashtray between me and my plate. :shock:  In fact I wouldn't have a ashtray on the same table. I wouldn't even be in the same room as someone smoking if I was dining.

MJ's not LaToya, though.  :lol:  No offense.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Game Player on February 09, 2010, 10:34:22 AM
Someone with lupus could have inflamed lungs... I think...  :(
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: onthefence on February 09, 2010, 10:37:37 AM
I'm kind of surprised at how quickly people have jumped to the conclusion that the Bronchiolitis was caused by smoking. A quick google search is all anyone needs to perform to find that this isn't the case. To quote Wiki;

'Bronchiolitis is inflammation of the bronchioles, the smallest air passages of the lungs. This inflammation is usually caused by viruses.'
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: See on February 09, 2010, 10:55:16 AM
So....  would you think of him less if he did
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: rayvyn on February 09, 2010, 11:02:31 AM
So what if he did smoke? He's human. If he did, he wouldn't have been the first singer to smoke. Why major in the minor stuff. There's more important things than whether Michael smoked or not.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: virgo75 on February 09, 2010, 11:04:23 AM
I don't care if he smoked or not, just like I don't care if he was Muslim or Christian.

I don't get why people are so quick to draw conclusions based on what they want to be true?
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: alovesmichael on February 09, 2010, 12:16:58 PM
Quote from: "See"
So....  would you think of him less if he did

exactly, does anyone of us care if he did? He could be a pot-smoking, gay swinger for all I care and he'd still be the same lovely Michael  :D I guess it's all curiosity. This is a weird topic kind of tabloid-ish  :)
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: Datroot on February 09, 2010, 12:46:42 PM
Yes, remember all news concerning this case is leaked first by TMZ the all the other news channels follow suit.  Think TMZ and keep the hoax alive.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: The White Rabbit on February 09, 2010, 12:57:47 PM
hmm So what? If he smoked or didn't smoke, does it really matter? Its his life and he can do whatever he wants..
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: iMJacksonfaN on February 09, 2010, 01:04:43 PM
Just because you have read it or seen it in the media, doesn't mean it's real.

This would probably been confirmed ages ago, if it was true. He said he didn't, so why would he lie? People would look up to Michael as the "Not so smart guy, but an amazing voice even though he smokes" :lol:

This is what you think, Mumof3.. And it's not written in the fake autopsy report that he smoked, they would notice it on his nails, fingers and teeths.. Also black lungs.

If Michael is dead, I still don't think the autopsy report is real.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: kelly wright on February 09, 2010, 01:16:28 PM
How do you know it wasn't from being around second hand smoke ? He was in smoke filled bars and strip joints at age five ,all of his concerts were in an era that allowed smoking in buildings .Not to mention the smoke from fireworks nite after nite for yrs.  . MJ did not smoke .It affects your voice .
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Michellemissesmj on February 09, 2010, 01:20:28 PM
i don't mean to be rude but half of you are talking a load of crap.  everybody i know smokes and you could in no tell by looking at them they are smokers.  coffee stains teeth along with other foods.  plus there is sucha thing as teeth bleaching.  also plenty plenty singers smoke and they still sing right into old age much older than MJ.  and if he did smoke so what.  does it make him less of a human being because he smoked. if he smoked then so be it.  stop trying to assume cause he was MJ he would never smoke or never drink.  he might of smoked and hid it well.  and if he enjoyed it then good for him.  life is to be enjoyed.  just cause you dont smoke it doesn't mean your going to live long.  it's the luck of the draw and that's it.  dont mean to be rude but everyone is assuming this and assuming that and nobody knows for real, and nobody has the right to pass judgement.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: maelinimarie on February 09, 2010, 02:28:33 PM
Just to Elaborate..Sometimes even if a person smokes,They won't get discoloration on their teeth and their skin wont turn colors. I've been smoking a while and my teeth are white,etc. It's just if you take care of your stuff still (Brush and floss,Get cleanings and bleachings etc.) and PS. I've been a singer since I was 4 and my voice has never changed since puberty.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Infinitylady on February 09, 2010, 03:07:32 PM
Quote
gracesong » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:10 am

Yes, but again, just because something knows better than do something doesn't mean they won't do it. He was human, and hypocrisy can be part of human nature. I'm not accusing him of anything because I don't know him personally.
He sure wasn't perfect just like all of us aren't. Come on, give him some room o be human


Grace,

Yeah, you never know.  We weren't all in this man's private life. We weren't living with him and seeing what he was doing in his personal timing.  
He may not have been a chain smoker. IDK!
I agree with Virgo you don't have to be a smoker to get lung cancer. I have read about it somewhere a few years back and very rare.  Coal miners lungs would get affected as a result of their work in the mines underground.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 09, 2010, 03:10:53 PM
Smoking isnt the one and only sole cause for these diseases.  It is entirely possible these lung diseases and abnormalities were caused by something else..  even just sheer bloody bad luck...   and he didnt smoke.  Its also possible it was caused by second hand smoke or its also possible MJ did smoke..  

anything is possible.  There is not one resolute correct answer or reason.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Sabrina on February 09, 2010, 03:34:16 PM
I would like to see pictures of him with cigarettes and box of cigarettes around him
If he smokes I would love him to give me some cigarettes right now haha

But, i was 70% sure that he smoked and when I got the confirmation I was shocked as you
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: mumof3 on February 09, 2010, 03:37:56 PM
Quote from: "iMJacksonfaN"
Just because you have read it or seen it in the media, doesn't mean it's real.

This would probably been confirmed ages ago, if it was true. He said he didn't, so why would he lie? People would look up to Michael as the "Not so smart guy, but an amazing voice even though he smokes" :lol:

This is what you think, Mumof3.. And it's not written in the fake autopsy report that he smoked, they would notice it on his nails, fingers and teeths.. Also black lungs.

If Michael is dead, I still don't think the autopsy report is real.
I have not commented on this post but sadly my mum doed of lung cancer and she never ever smoked nor did the people around her so sometimes it can all be missleading with the illness  the number of people that said to me your mum must have smoked  but she did not I dont care if michael did or not it is his life but i dont feel that he did as he was so against it.
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: Amber on February 09, 2010, 04:02:31 PM
i like this post. they didnt recognise mj??? please..... drivers lisence would not of confirmed anything if they couldnt identify body full stop. so more questions raised.....   :?   mj is really testing us on this one
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: KingMJ on February 09, 2010, 04:34:19 PM
Surely they couldn't have used the DL posted above as it has expired, so isn't even a valid form of ID.  Did Mike have a more recent DL that was still in date??  Also, to the poster above, who said they buried him in white sheets because of what was written in the autopsy... that doesn't mean he was buried in white sheets/towels.. they could have either covered his outfit up, with just his hairline and hands exposed like it states, or waited to dress him and make him up, until after all the samples and tests had been done. :?:
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: Dancing_Machine on February 09, 2010, 04:44:04 PM
Even IF he was clothed, why would he keep his DL in his pocket while he was at home?  :|

When I'm home I dont wear mine with me...it just doenst make any sense :|
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Kirsche on February 09, 2010, 05:08:03 PM
So where are pictures of MJ smoking or with cigarettes?
I don't believe he was a smoker...because if he would have smoke he wouldn't have had this wonderful voice he had. And MJ was obsessed about his health...so you think he smoked

I don't believe in this report

And if he really smoked...who cares....He's only human!
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on February 09, 2010, 06:05:23 PM
Quote from: "dontmakeitfactual"
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
Quote from: "FactFinderMJ"
dont know if he smokes but he has a cig in this pic!

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/answers ... 52_300.jpg (http://images2.fanpop.com/image/answers/215000/215707_1258632195590.37res_452_300.jpg)

He was only posing with a cigarette, it's not lit  ;)

That's not even him!

Yes, it's Michael, and he was just fooling around for the camera with his manager Frank Dileo's cigarette.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 09, 2010, 06:32:30 PM
Quote from: "Sabrina"
I would like to see pictures of him with cigarettes and box of cigarettes around him
If he smokes I would love him to give me some cigarettes right now haha

But, i was 70% sure that he smoked and when I got the confirmation I was shocked as you
JUST FOR YOU AND HE LOOKS DAMN SEXY WITH IT.

(http://i.fanpix.net/images/orig/u/v/uvr4m0q1d9tdvu49.jpg)
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 09, 2010, 06:36:43 PM
OOPS, ALREADY POSTED. SORRY GOT BESIDE MYSELF. I'LL FIND THE OTHER  ONE. :lol:
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: bluegurl201 on February 09, 2010, 07:00:53 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
So, I read thru the autopsy report and wrote down all the terms I didn't understand.  I knew I would be looking at lung problems, rumors of o2 tanks and alpha 1....I saw he had RESPIRATORY BRONCHIOLITIS!  I started looking up all the terms and this one floored me!  It is caused by smoking!  MJ hid it well!  I have seen many pictures with a square shaped box in his pocket and always wondered (after seeing three pictures, one of MJ holding an unlit cigarette and one of MJ on a phone in a hotel room with a box of cigarettes on the table by the phone, and another picture I posted of him eating his dinner and an ashtray with a butt was in it between his plate of food) since seeing those I'm always looking at shapes in his pockets.  I guess my question is now answered.  Oh MJ!
I dobut that he smoked.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: i[MISS]my[KING] on February 09, 2010, 07:25:36 PM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Quote from: "See"
So....  would you think of him less if he did

exactly, does anyone of us care if he did? He could be a pot-smoking, gay swinger for all I care and he'd still be the same lovely Michael  :D I guess it's all curiosity. This is a weird topic kind of tabloid-ish  :)

i absolutely agree~~~~
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: PinkTopaz on February 09, 2010, 08:21:50 PM
^ Indeed- totally unnecessary and a breach of Michael's privacy..
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: michaelsupporter on February 09, 2010, 08:28:21 PM
Quote from: "virgo75"
People can have bronchiolitis, bronchitis, and even LUNG CANCER without smoking.

Doesn't mean that the person in the autopsy smoked.

For them to say that he smoked there would have been tar build-up in the lungs.

Exactly right.....I do agree.
Title: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on February 09, 2010, 08:51:48 PM
"I am a medical transcriptionist and I can assure you the autopsy report listed online is not legally authentic. I have transcribed 1000s of these reports over the last 25 years and fully understand the legalities of these reports and their confidentiality when they are to be used in a criminal trial. The information contained in the autopsy that is posted online goes far beyond what is standard or customary which is unexplainable and only lends itself to more incredibility. There is also the use of three different names included on the autopsy, consults, toxicology and neuropathological testing: Michael Jackson, Michael J. Jackson, Michael Joseph Jackson, all under the same file name and case number. That is not standard and constitutes inconsistencies that point to its invalidity for the entire record. In addition to its inauthenticity the information regarding the neuropathological testing cannot be true as it is stated. The timelines reflected in those sections also grossly contradict the storyline that was reported by the media who said they got their information from the coroner. Autopsy reports are highly confidential documents when the information contained in them is to be used in a criminal trial. That is all I had to say." said by truth4mj.

Please keep the faith everyone!!
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Truth_Freedom on February 09, 2010, 08:54:42 PM
Many of MJ's female friends smoked....Diana, Liz, Liza, Tatum and he married a regular smoker in Lisa Marie Presley. Obviously he was not bothered by smokers. Tito Jackson smokes cigarettes and I am pretty sure that Jackie Jackson smokes something....weed or Cigarettes...could be both. Jackie's son Siggy is a weed head and it is so obvious if you have lived in urban, inner city America you just know.

Michael was around Sammy Davis Jr. who smoked it was just very common and if it bothered him so much why be around it. In America there is more of a negative stigma with smoking than there is in other countries. It's banned everywhere here and you are seen as less intelligent if you smoke. People of lower educational levels are reported to smoke more than those with college or advanced degrees here in the States. Brooke, I doubt smoked or smokes and I know Stephanie Mills did not. I believe he was a casual smoker that may have picked up the habit later in life because at some point his teeth were yellow and he had them whitened after 2005....probably before the comeback. My hunch is that he may have picked it up sometime in the 90's. But hey, there was a cigarette in an ashtray in the Beat It video next to his bed.  He pretended to smoke in many dance routines. So he may have been a light smoker and there are many people that have fantastic voices who smoked for years. Nat King Cole was a prime example. ANYTHING is possible. He may have been into his health on many levels but this may have been his one weakness used to calm himself down from time to time.
As for his lips, they were bleached and dyed to a pink color. His lips were never that color as a child or a young adult. MJ had the money to fix/correct/whiten/brighten and correct things that average people don't.
Title: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: MJs Tinkerbell on February 09, 2010, 08:57:33 PM
From Someone on the LKL Blog
 
February 9th, 2010 10:35 pm ET

@All

I hardly ever post anything anymore but I am a medical transcriptionist and I can assure you the autopsy report listed online is not legally authentic. I have transcribed 1000s of these reports over the last 25 years and fully understand the legalities of these reports and their confidentiality when they are to be used in a criminal trial. The information contained in the autopsy that is posted online goes far beyond what is standard or customary which is unexplainable and only lends itself to more incredibility. There is also the use of three different names included on the autopsy, consults, toxicology and neuropathological testing: Michael Jackson, Michael J. Jackson, Michael Joseph Jackson, all under the same file name and case number. That is not standard and constitutes inconsistencies that point to its invalidity for the entire record. In addition to its inauthenticity the information regarding the neuropathological testing cannot be true as it is stated. The timelines reflected in those sections also grossly contradict the storyline that was reported by the media who said they got their information from the coroner. Autopsy reports are highly confidential documents when the information contained in them is to be used in a criminal trial. That is all I had to say.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: bec on February 09, 2010, 09:02:10 PM
8-)
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: YoungNewMJFan on February 09, 2010, 09:03:16 PM
:shock:  :o  :shock:  :o  :shock:  :o  :shock:  :o  :shock:  :o  :shock:  :o  :shock:  :shock:  :o  :shock:  :o  :shock:  :o  :shock:  :o  :shock:


 :mrgreen:  8-)  :D
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: whisper on February 09, 2010, 09:09:30 PM
:twisted:  8-)
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: reyferrari on February 09, 2010, 09:10:07 PM
AAAAAMMEEEEENNNNNNNN!!...we have a HOAX ladies and Gentlemen :D
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: KingofPop4ever on February 09, 2010, 09:13:49 PM
I hate those big words they use. But as long as she just proved that it's fake, It's all good.  :D
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: eviltwin on February 09, 2010, 09:14:35 PM
Quote from: "MJs Tinkerbell"
From Someone on the LKL Blog
 
February 9th, 2010 10:35 pm ET

@All

I hardly ever post anything anymore but I am a medical transcriptionist and I can assure you the autopsy report listed online is not legally authentic. I have transcribed 1000s of these reports over the last 25 years and fully understand the legalities of these reports and their confidentiality when they are to be used in a criminal trial. The information contained in the autopsy that is posted online goes far beyond what is standard or customary which is unexplainable and only lends itself to more incredibility. There is also the use of three different names included on the autopsy, consults, toxicology and neuropathological testing: Michael Jackson, Michael J. Jackson, Michael Joseph Jackson, all under the same file name and case number. That is not standard and constitutes inconsistencies that point to its invalidity for the entire record. In addition to its inauthenticity the information regarding the neuropathological testing cannot be true as it is stated. The timelines reflected in those sections also grossly contradict the storyline that was reported by the media who said they got their information from the coroner. Autopsy reports are highly confidential documents when the information contained in them is to be used in a criminal trial. That is all I had to say.
LOVES IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: ForeverTrue on February 09, 2010, 09:15:27 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D
**sings songs full of joy and happiness**
 :D  :D I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: MeandMyShadow on February 09, 2010, 09:15:42 PM
As the Jackson song says, "You put me in a state of shock"  (hee hee)  :lol:
Title: Re: The autopsy is NOT real, someone who has exper. with them...
Post by: somekindofsign on February 09, 2010, 09:17:47 PM
Who is truth4mj?
Someone here?
Where?

I hope that to be true!  :)
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: reading_on on February 09, 2010, 09:18:24 PM
I am not saying any of this is untrue.. but it bugs me that you will accept anyone saying something that supports a hoax theory. The media is not the only one that can be wrong.

Harvey said it was out there to see. I figure if he was getting paid to keep his mouth shut he would not have to be coroner very long.

Heck if I was covering up a fake death someone better be paying me big to put myself in all that legal trouble. Falsifying documents and such.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: Mj5StarChick on February 09, 2010, 09:19:01 PM
This is shocking :shock:  :|  :o This is a very happy moment lols all i can say is this hoax is still sure fire :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: somekindofsign on February 09, 2010, 09:21:11 PM
Links please?
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: onefan on February 09, 2010, 09:25:05 PM
Hi all. I've been a reader for awhile, and agree with things I read here. I dont' have much to add usually but I just wanted to say that I read the report that is circulating online, and much of it I had a feeling that it was just 'not right' somehow...  one thing stood out to me though. It said that the subject was 69" ... SIXTY NINE inches is only 5 foot 7 and 1/2 inches tall. Now I know that in the general community there has been great debate over the actual height of Michael, but I don't think anyone has ever thought he was quite that short. I have always lent myself to the belief that he was closer to 6 feet... about 5'10, or 5'11. I wouldn't have been shocked at finding out he was 5'9". Maaaaaaaaaaaaybe 5'8""... but 5'7??? no, I don't think so. I've seen him next to Katherine in pics, and Janet, neither are tall ladies, but they aren't midgets either, and if he was only 5'7 they'd have to be under 5 feet, his mom would have to be 4'8 or less tall. That's insane.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: itsall4luv on February 09, 2010, 09:32:47 PM
I took a medical transcription class ten years ago and as a student, I transcribed quite a few autopsy reports. If my memory serves me right, this autopsy report was not consistent with the reports I had experience with back then.  It didn't have a clean, professional feel about it. Seemed like a pseudo-autopsy report . . . ha! ha! Good news for us and the hoax!!!
Title: Re: The autopsy is NOT real, someone who has exper. with them...
Post by: DarkYetLovely on February 09, 2010, 09:35:47 PM
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
"That is not standard and constitutes inconsistencies that point to its invalidity for the entire record." said by truth4mj.


Can't help but think of all the "your argument is invalid" macros
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: WendyE on February 09, 2010, 09:41:01 PM
 Thank God that someone else was saying what I have been thinking since I read through the report late last night. I too have a very strong medical background and this made no sense to me. I have never seen an autopsy report released in this manner. This is part of a criminal case and should have never been released to the public. I was extremely tired last night and perhaps I missed it but I did not find anything about scaring from the Pepsi accident when Michael's head caught fire. That would have been an obvious notation. I don't buy any of this. There is something very wrong here. Help me out please if anyone else noticed something about the burn scars.
I still believe Michael is very much alive.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: reading_on on February 09, 2010, 09:42:02 PM
Quote from: "onefan"
Hi all. I've been a reader for awhile, and agree with things I read here. I dont' have much to add usually but I just wanted to say that I read the report that is circulating online, and much of it I had a feeling that it was just 'not right' somehow...  one thing stood out to me though. It said that the subject was 69" ... SIXTY NINE inches is only 5 foot 7 and 1/2 inches tall. Now I know that in the general community there has been great debate over the actual height of Michael, but I don't think anyone has ever thought he was quite that short. I have always lent myself to the belief that he was closer to 6 feet... about 5'10, or 5'11. I wouldn't have been shocked at finding out he was 5'9". Maaaaaaaaaaaaybe 5'8""... but 5'7??? no, I don't think so. I've seen him next to Katherine in pics, and Janet, neither are tall ladies, but they aren't midgets either, and if he was only 5'7 they'd have to be under 5 feet, his mom would have to be 4'8 or less tall. That's insane.

Sorry..69 inches is 5' 9" ..12 x 5=60 +9
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: reading_on on February 09, 2010, 09:43:20 PM
Quote from: "WendyE"
Thank God that someone else was saying what I have been thinking since I read through the report late last night. I too have a very strong medical background and this made no sense to me. I have never seen an autopsy report released in this manner. This is part of a criminal case and should have never been released to the public. I was extremely tired last night and perhaps I missed it but I did not find anything about scaring from the Pepsi accident when Michael's head caught fire. That would have been an obvious notation. I don't buy any of this. There is something very wrong here. Help me out please if anyone else noticed something about the burn scars.
I still believe Michael is very much alive.

Now that part about not releasing it to the public..that is something that makes me wonder why would they do that? Esp since the case is ongoing.

Why do you think Harvey said what he did?
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: MeandMyShadow on February 09, 2010, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: "WendyE"
Thank God that someone else was saying what I have been thinking since I read through the report late last night. I too have a very strong medical background and this made no sense to me. I have never seen an autopsy report released in this manner. This is part of a criminal case and should have never been released to the public. I was extremely tired last night and perhaps I missed it but I did not find anything about scaring from the Pepsi accident when Michael's head caught fire. That would have been an obvious notation. I don't buy any of this. There is something very wrong here. Help me out please if anyone else noticed something about the burn scars.
I still believe Michael is very much alive.

I don't know if states anything about the burns, but on page 20 or 21, there is a diagram of the head with some type of injury noted or something.  It is very hard to read the handwriting about it.

Anybody else know what they are saying there?
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: reading_on on February 09, 2010, 09:53:10 PM
Quote from: "WendyE"
Thank God that someone else was saying what I have been thinking since I read through the report late last night. I too have a very strong medical background and this made no sense to me. I have never seen an autopsy report released in this manner. This is part of a criminal case and should have never been released to the public. I was extremely tired last night and perhaps I missed it but I did not find anything about scaring from the Pepsi accident when Michael's head caught fire. That would have been an obvious notation. I don't buy any of this. There is something very wrong here. Help me out please if anyone else noticed something about the burn scars.
I still believe Michael is very much alive.

If you have done these before. Do you know the answer to whether this would be part of the court docs?
If they were could someone just sign up and pay for the defendant search at the Los Angles site and get this information?
Title: Re: The autopsy is NOT real, someone who has exper. with them...
Post by: YoungNewMJFan on February 09, 2010, 10:01:10 PM
XD exactly what I thought of!!!!  :lol:
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: tklein1014 on February 09, 2010, 10:09:37 PM
Quote from: "onefan"
Hi all. I've been a reader for awhile, and agree with things I read here. I dont' have much to add usually but I just wanted to say that I read the report that is circulating online, and much of it I had a feeling that it was just 'not right' somehow...  one thing stood out to me though. It said that the subject was 69" ... SIXTY NINE inches is only 5 foot 7 and 1/2 inches tall. Now I know that in the general community there has been great debate over the actual height of Michael, but I don't think anyone has ever thought he was quite that short. I have always lent myself to the belief that he was closer to 6 feet... about 5'10, or 5'11. I wouldn't have been shocked at finding out he was 5'9". Maaaaaaaaaaaaybe 5'8""... but 5'7??? no, I don't think so. I've seen him next to Katherine in pics, and Janet, neither are tall ladies, but they aren't midgets either, and if he was only 5'7 they'd have to be under 5 feet, his mom would have to be 4'8 or less tall. That's insane.

I don't mean to contradict you, but 69" is 5'9"...12"=1'...69"/12"=5 r9"=5'9"...don't mind me, I did custom framing for 7 years and am used to measuring things, adding/subtracting fractions and inches, converting measurements, etc.  lol

L.O.V.E.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: MJs Tinkerbell on February 09, 2010, 10:11:13 PM
Quote from: "reading_on"
Quote from: "WendyE"
Thank God that someone else was saying what I have been thinking since I read through the report late last night. I too have a very strong medical background and this made no sense to me. I have never seen an autopsy report released in this manner. This is part of a criminal case and should have never been released to the public. I was extremely tired last night and perhaps I missed it but I did not find anything about scaring from the Pepsi accident when Michael's head caught fire. That would have been an obvious notation. I don't buy any of this. There is something very wrong here. Help me out please if anyone else noticed something about the burn scars.
I still believe Michael is very much alive.

If you have done these before. Do you know the answer to whether this would be part of the court docs?
If they were could someone just sign up and pay for the defendant search at the Los Angles site and get this information?

Nope, dont see anythin about scars on his head, just tattoos.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: mehere on February 09, 2010, 10:15:27 PM
I KNEW IT!  I JUST KNEW IT!

Thank you
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: LiQ on February 09, 2010, 10:22:22 PM
AMIN!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!! ACTUALLY I WAS WONDERING THERE WAS NOTHING REGARDING THE COLOUR OF HIS FINGERNAILS IN THE AUTOPSY REPORT... So happy.... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: gracesong on February 09, 2010, 10:26:54 PM
Yeah, sometimes people smoke to calm their nerves when things are very hectic.
Another thing, though. MJ's voice has deepend over time, and as a singer myself, I'm aware that that can happen over the course of someone's life. It's just a natural tendency.
However, I beleive that in deepening, his voice lost a lot fo the brighter, fresher qualtiy it had in its younger years. With good vocal technique this shouldn't happen, but years of second hand smoke will do that to you.
Here're some examples.
The first is the announcement from the O2 arena. I do think this is indeed Michael.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWgjI8Ar8xk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWgjI8Ar8xk)

Here's another video. It's from the counterdocumentary to that of Bashir's. Here, you can clearly hear that his voice has still got this lighter, brighter quality to it. It sounds fresh whereas the O2 clip sounds like he's been put through the ringer and then some.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK9pXxm-qD0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK9pXxm-qD0)
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: CrazyBanana on February 09, 2010, 10:28:31 PM
We all had a feeling about that! but the question is, is it fake and there was no autopsy or was there one but it wasnt MJ?
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: DeaCarvalho on February 09, 2010, 10:43:39 PM
I have just a little few words to say.
First, I'm 31. My father has been a convict smoker since he was just 13 and now he's 70. That's really sad. He get tired with any little effort and his voice is really strange. I think a smoker could never sing as Michael DOES[/u].
And last but not least Michael JOSEPH could be a smoker for sure, but not Michael JOE[/u].   ;)
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: PureLove on February 09, 2010, 10:47:14 PM
Thank you so much for the information :D
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: scorpionchik on February 09, 2010, 10:48:42 PM
I think autopsy done on someone else other than Michael.Autopsy controdictions were obvious since last year. they performed THREE autopsies and every time different cause of death conclusions. But I  think they were not sure whether or not it was Michael, that's why they did 3 autopsies and buried someone in 70 days after "death".
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: i[MISS]my[KING] on February 09, 2010, 10:58:40 PM
;)
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: King_Michael on February 09, 2010, 11:08:58 PM
I don't care because it's his personal life but it's not possible, how could he perform at such a high level for that long being a smoker? and in TII he sounded amazing but in the end if it is true that he did he is still Michael Jackson and I still love him no matter what
Title: Re: The autopsy is NOT real, someone who has exper. with them...
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on February 09, 2010, 11:10:09 PM
truth4mj is on LKL blogs, I don't think s/he is on here.
Title: Re: The autopsy is NOT real, someone who has exper. with them...
Post by: msteetee34 on February 09, 2010, 11:20:27 PM
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
"I am a medical transcriptionist and I can assure you the autopsy report listed online is not legally authentic. I have transcribed 1000s of these reports over the last 25 years and fully understand the legalities of these reports and their confidentiality when they are to be used in a criminal trial. The information contained in the autopsy that is posted online goes far beyond what is standard or customary which is unexplainable and only lends itself to more incredibility. There is also the use of three different names included on the autopsy, consults, toxicology and neuropathological testing: Michael Jackson, Michael J. Jackson, Michael Joseph Jackson, all under the same file name and case number. That is not standard and constitutes inconsistencies that point to its invalidity for the entire record. In addition to its inauthenticity the information regarding the neuropathological testing cannot be true as it is stated. The timelines reflected in those sections also grossly contradict the storyline that was reported by the media who said they got their information from the coroner. Autopsy reports are highly confidential documents when the information contained in them is to be used in a criminal trial. That is all I had to say." said by truth4mj.

Please keep the faith everyone!!

Thank you for that information.  I really believe what you are saying is true.  How can an autopsy report with so many personal details be released to the public?  Aren't there laws that protect a patients confidentiality?  It seems like this should be illegal to post his autopsy report for eveyone to see.  When other celebrities have passed away I don't recall there being autopsy reports released to the public with all their personal details and information about the way they died and the condition of their body.  They usually just give the public a statement or a brief summary of how the person died.  Just like Brittany Murphy who just passed they said her death was acccidental but I didn't hear anything about an autopsy report being released about the details of her death and the condition of her body.  I think this report is also false.
Title: Re: The autopsy is NOT real, someone who has exper. with them...
Post by: TinkerbellStardust on February 09, 2010, 11:21:39 PM
can anyone pls link to this blog section cause I can't find it.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: mjboogie on February 09, 2010, 11:23:24 PM
If he did smoke he probably did only on occasion. And also one more thing HE STILL WAS/IS SEXY AS HELL! ;)
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: voiceforthesilent on February 09, 2010, 11:26:04 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "mollyosheaMJ"
Not gonna lie-i somehow HIGHLY doubt MJ smoked.
if you believe the autopsy report released today belongs to Michael Jackson, then believe it or not, he smoked!  Read it yourself.  He has very marked diminished lung capacity and enough damage to cause health problems.  That explains all the 02 tanks his chef saw!

This same person wouldn't be able to jump around on stage and dance like a 20 year old. I know - I have diminished lung capacity. I'm not on oxygen either so the person had to be pretty bad in order to need oxygen that much. I highly doubt this person is Michael. Another thread suggests that maybe the terminal person taking Michael's place smoked.  I'd believe that. Nobody was allowed upstairs - how do they know who was up there?
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: Venus7 on February 09, 2010, 11:34:57 PM
Please, STOP saying that report is fake and that you 100% sure that MJ is alive, if you don't have any proof to support that. You are hurting me and other people with this rollercoaster. I want to move on and see CM going to jail, but its so diificult to focus in healing and waiting for justice when so many people are giving most likely FALSE hope about Michael being alive...it hurts so much...
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: ibelieveinmj on February 09, 2010, 11:45:43 PM
Thank you MJs Tinkerbell!!!!!
I was waiting for someone to mention what you posted.... it doesn't look authentic in anyway.  
Keeping the faith!

SO, fake autopsy report - fake criminal trial ?????
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: jacilovesmichael on February 09, 2010, 11:59:57 PM
I agree that it shouldn't matter if he smoked or not, as far as what we want to believe is concerned. I do, however, thinks it's relevant to know if he did or not based on the autopsy... if he was not a smoker, it's unlikely that it was him who died (if anyone died at all).  I do not believe Michael was a smoker.  I haven't seen anything where he actually says that he's not, though.  He's just one of those people that you can't imagine smoking.  I'm a singer, and I've tried cigarettes before and will never forget the effect it had on my voice. It literally hurts and the damage is measurable just from smoking one night then having to sing the next day. There's no way he's a smoker (present tense. I still believe he did not die).
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: MJsbasheret on February 10, 2010, 12:02:58 AM
Quote from: "Venus7"
Please, STOP saying that report is fake and that you 100% sure that MJ is alive, if you don't have any proof to support that. You are hurting me and other people with this rollercoaster. I want to move on and see CM going to jail, but its so diificult to focus in healing and waiting for justice when so many people are giving most likely FALSE hope about Michael being alive...it hurts so much...
Venus7, I understand how hard all of this is for you. I too go between loosing hope and hoping he's alive. If you truly want to move on, then maybe this hoax site isn't for you. The only way I could really let go would be to just leave this site and do just that...move on.

I wish you peace and L.O.V.E.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: farhatmjj on February 10, 2010, 12:10:45 AM
I hope this is true. No words to explain how much i do.  :(
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: darkchild on February 10, 2010, 12:21:47 AM
Quote from: "MJs Tinkerbell"
From Someone on the LKL Blog
 
February 9th, 2010 10:35 pm ET

@All

I hardly ever post anything anymore but I am a medical transcriptionist and I can assure you the autopsy report listed online is not legally authentic. I have transcribed 1000s of these reports over the last 25 years and fully understand the legalities of these reports and their confidentiality when they are to be used in a criminal trial. The information contained in the autopsy that is posted online goes far beyond what is standard or customary which is unexplainable and only lends itself to more incredibility. There is also the use of three different names included on the autopsy, consults, toxicology and neuropathological testing: Michael Jackson, Michael J. Jackson, Michael Joseph Jackson, all under the same file name and case number. That is not standard and constitutes inconsistencies that point to its invalidity for the entire record. In addition to its inauthenticity the information regarding the neuropathological testing cannot be true as it is stated. The timelines reflected in those sections also grossly contradict the storyline that was reported by the media who said they got their information from the coroner. Autopsy reports are highly confidential documents when the information contained in them is to be used in a criminal trial. That is all I had to say.

First of all, I would like to thank you for this incredible post. God bless you, MJs Tinkerbell, for this astounding information.  I was only able to go through about the first ten pages of the autopsy report.  I did not understand many of the medical terms in the report.  However, it did strike me that it is very weird that such sensitive and personal information as an autopsy report would be released online for all to see especially during a criminal trial. Thank you so much for this information.  We are making things happen here.  I feel that we are doing God's work here.  We are all collectively taking on a very difficult task, but we are cracking the code.  We are breaking down all the inconsistencies that have been reported in the media.  God bless you! :)
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: rag doll on February 10, 2010, 12:25:51 AM
Oh, by the way me too - still do... :D
Funny, how a simple thing can cause such an outcry,

What happened to "savoir vivre" these days?  :roll:
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: badkolo on February 10, 2010, 12:33:41 AM
well it doesnt mean he smoked cigarettes but maybe he did, wasnt there some pot found in his bedroom, maybe its from the weed he smokes.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: msteetee34 on February 10, 2010, 12:50:49 AM
Maybe that's why he chewed gum alot never know.  He has been photograped with a cigarette before.  He was grown so if he did that's was his choice and his business.  Hopefully he didn't but it's possible.  I think his brother Jackie smokes because he got those dark smoker lips.  He chews his gum just like MJ too.  I noticed it on their show.  He was chomping hard on that gum.  I know his alleged son Omer was also busted with some weed before so who knows?  I know some people smoke to help deal with their nerves too.  I think he had anxiety so maybe that was a way for him to cope.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: i_need YoU on February 10, 2010, 12:58:22 AM
I would rather MJ smoke pot rather then cigs lol but hey MJ ur body your choice but man i not gonna lie when i saw that pic of him holding that cig in his hand i was like OMG MICHAEL YOU LOOKIN FINE TONIGHT!!!   ;)  lol he looks like a bad bad boi you do...

I still think its funny how people have this image of MJ set in stone how he did everything right and was this perfect little angel lol and even when they see a picture of MJ smoking a little puff they are like nooooo he is just holding the cig  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  c'mon so what if he smoked cigs and pot haha the man is living a very stressful life...

MJ you look hottt in that picture whew weeee heee heee aow!!!! :lol:  :lol:

now can we say this thread is closed now and get on with the real investigation :?:  
we wanna find the reason behind him hoaxing his death not find out whether he smoked or not or what he smoked lol....

Michael you should have kept the pot thing a secret a little longer atleast wait until it was legalized  :lol:  naughty man needs a spankin :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: 2good2btrue on February 10, 2010, 01:58:19 AM
We are all talking about a report that is FAKE.

If MJ is still alive, then this is either a made up AUTOPSY REPORT, OR is SOMEONE ELSES REPORT...........

WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE MJ IS STILL ALIVE.  THIS IS AN AUTOPSY REPORT.  IT TALKS ABOUT MJ BEING DEAD......

WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING THIS HERE?????????????????

IN THAT PIC OF MJ HOLDING A CIGARETTE, COULD THAT BE FROM THE "BAD" VIDEO????????????  HE IS OUTSIDE IN AN ALLEY, AND IS WEARING THE BAD OUTFIT UNDERNEATH THE BLUE LONG JACKET.  THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.  WHOS BAD????  MJ SMOKING TO BE A TOUGH GUY.............
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tina K. on February 10, 2010, 02:01:25 AM
The pic is from either rehearsal the Bad tour, or from behind stage on Bad Tour, can't remember, read it somewhere.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: ILuvUMoreMJ on February 10, 2010, 02:04:42 AM
Whether or not the report is his, it said there was no marijuana detected in the body.  Personally, I think it's highly unlikely that MJ smoked, not that I would care if he did, but I think it's more likely lupus, a virus, or second hand smoke from a young age caused his lung problems.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: mjsgirl89 on February 10, 2010, 02:19:12 AM
MICHAEL IS ALIVE SO THE AR IS NOT HIS!!!

Personally i don't think he smoked...it would have affected his voice...btw, for smoking to have caused problems like that he must have been smoking for a very long time, it would have affected him and his physical appearance...his lips did not get darker, and his voice was not affected, but none of us can say for sure so...
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: jenwren20 on February 10, 2010, 03:26:18 AM
ok guys,
So the report mentions a scar in the lower right quadrent, which usually indicates an appendectomy.
I've googled and can't find if MJ had his appendix removed? Does anyone else know?
 :?:
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: farhatmjj on February 10, 2010, 03:49:41 AM
Quote from: "jenwren20"
ok guys,
So the report mentions a scar in the lower right quadrent, which usually indicates an appendectomy.
I've googled and can't find if MJ had his appendix removed? Does anyone else know?
 :?:

i atleast can say i've never heard he did!
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: simalves on February 10, 2010, 03:59:16 AM
The AR states appendix is present. So what was the scar for?

Do you think part of the report is copied from someone famous - like James Brown for instance?
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: msteetee34 on February 10, 2010, 04:05:24 AM
Quote from: "Venus7"
Please, STOP saying that report is fake and that you 100% sure that MJ is alive, if you don't have any proof to support that. You are hurting me and other people with this rollercoaster. I want to move on and see CM going to jail, but its so diificult to focus in healing and waiting for justice when so many people are giving most likely FALSE hope about Michael being alive...it hurts so much...

Not to be mean or disrespectful if the forum bothers you and makes you too emotional then don't read it.  Move on.  I don't think it's fair for you to get mad at people for making these kind of post.  This is a death hoax web site.  So people are going to post things that relate to him being alive.  Maybe if you're done believing that it's a hoax this might not be the right place for you to be.  We love MJ but it shouldn't make you that emotional to the point where you feel like your on a rollercoaster.  You still need to live your life and not be so emotional.  Gee wiz.....
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: Datroot on February 10, 2010, 04:06:56 AM
Quote from: "MJsbasheret"
Quote from: "Venus7"
Please, STOP saying that report is fake and that you 100% sure that MJ is alive, if you don't have any proof to support that. You are hurting me and other people with this rollercoaster. I want to move on and see CM going to jail, but its so diificult to focus in healing and waiting for justice when so many people are giving most likely FALSE hope about Michael being alive...it hurts so much...
Venus7, I understand how hard all of this is for you. I too go between loosing hope and hoping he's alive. If you truly want to move on, then maybe this hoax site isn't for you. The only way I could really let go would be to just leave this site and do just that...move on.

I wish you peace and L.O.V.E.

Yes, nobody is forcing you to read these posts.  If you truly believe MJ to be dead, then leave the site and calm your mind.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: farhatmjj on February 10, 2010, 04:20:30 AM
Quote from: "Datroot"
Quote from: "MJsbasheret"
Quote from: "Venus7"
Please, STOP saying that report is fake and that you 100% sure that MJ is alive, if you don't have any proof to support that. You are hurting me and other people with this rollercoaster. I want to move on and see CM going to jail, but its so diificult to focus in healing and waiting for justice when so many people are giving most likely FALSE hope about Michael being alive...it hurts so much...
Venus7, I understand how hard all of this is for you. I too go between loosing hope and hoping he's alive. If you truly want to move on, then maybe this hoax site isn't for you. The only way I could really let go would be to just leave this site and do just that...move on.

I wish you peace and L.O.V.E.

Yes, nobody is forcing you to read these posts.  If you truly believe MJ to be dead, then leave the site and calm your mind.

+1
Title: Re: The autopsy is NOT real, someone who has exper. with them...
Post by: Hopeless on February 10, 2010, 04:27:07 AM
Notice that in the autopsie report is listet:
3 photographs of a silver BMW at the 29.Juni 2009...... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
It's so importend for the autopsie !!!
I read the autopsie and my less english makes it difficult....untill now there are using all the usual weights of the organs....all like in every medizin book to find...
But the photos....what is this ?
Sometimes it seams real and then this...makes all unbelieveble....a reality show...
Title: Re: The autopsy is NOT real, someone who has exper. with them...
Post by: loyalfan on February 10, 2010, 04:30:23 AM
THIS INFORMATION IS HUGE GUYS...!!!!!!BLOWS THE WHOLE THING OUT OF THE WATER.........WOW.....XXXXX
Title: Re: The autopsy is NOT real, someone who has exper. with them...
Post by: Hopeless on February 10, 2010, 04:42:44 AM
I forgot the link....
Here it is :
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... son14.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson14.html)

Look at point 2 :
Pictures taken when paramedics working at the decedent ???????????????????????
Nothing else to do ?????? It's for the future when all comes out ????

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: kelly wright on February 10, 2010, 05:06:01 AM
why not just call the coroner and ask him if he released copies of MJ 'c autopsy report to the media ? Is that even legal ?
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: kelly wright on February 10, 2010, 05:25:50 AM
why is there a place to talk about THE MURDER THEORY if your not allowed to talk about the murder theory ? At least without someone dogging you about not thinking or perceiving things the same way you do? Let me tell you & maybe its the age difference ,I'm 48 ,but my perception of things going on with Mj is vastly different than  most . I look at some of these hoax video's ,and some of them are just absolute nonsense .And then I see other people commenting "Oh you are a genius " on the same video that I thought was nonsense . And I watched them all . Probably multiple times . I am on several other Sites some hoax sites some not . I looked at the NWO & illuminati stuff {long before MJ Died } The MK ultra  stuff {before I ever saw this site } I been studying since he died and was a fan my whole life since like age 7 . And I just don't understand how some people perceptions are so different . Some are more gullible than others .I am definitly not gullible at my age .I'm no genius , but I am not a fool either .There is a hoax ,but it wasn't Michael that pulled it ,in my opinion .
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: Hopeless on February 10, 2010, 05:32:17 AM
I can't open the TMZ Autopsie Report...here i found the Report :
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... kson1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson1.html)
Can someone of you look if there are the same ????
We had difficult Death Certificates...why not difficult Autopsie Reports ?
Here Michael is 69 inch high...and 136 lbs...
Look at Page 14 !
Photos taken at the home when paramedics worked at decedent ( not named as Michael Jackson) and who makes photos when all are busi to rescue someone ???? Unbelievible !!!
Photos from a silver BMW...WTF why placed in an autopsie report ???? BMW death ? :lol:  :lol:
My english is not good enough, but i can't find the scare of the burning accident in 1984, when Michael head burns....is it not notice in the report ???? When he wears a wig because of this, they must see it !!!
It's all entertainment....
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: ILuvUMoreMJ on February 10, 2010, 05:40:16 AM
Quote from: "kelly wright"
why not just call the coroner and ask him if he released copies of MJ 'c autopsy report to the media ? Is that even legal ?

Yes, autopsy and coroner results are a matter of public record in California.  Anyone can request them, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: Suzy on February 10, 2010, 05:42:40 AM
YAHOOO GUYS THANKS I HAVE BACK HOPE TO GO ONE!
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: Datroot on February 10, 2010, 05:44:09 AM
Quote from: "ILuvUMoreMJ"
Quote from: "kelly wright"
why not just call the coroner and ask him if he released copies of MJ 'c autopsy report to the media ? Is that even legal ?

Yes, autopsy and coroner results are a matter of public record in California.  Anyone can request them, unfortunately.

Anyone can request them but surely the Coroner's Office (TMZ) can't just post them over the internet.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: ILuvUMoreMJ on February 10, 2010, 06:12:01 AM
I don't see why not.  CNN has the reports up as well... http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/09/mic ... index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/09/michael.jackson.autopsy/index.html)
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: llebreknit on February 10, 2010, 07:21:35 AM
The autopsy report is real, Michael has gone forever.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Kirsche on February 10, 2010, 07:35:42 AM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
Quote from: "Sabrina"
I would like to see pictures of him with cigarettes and box of cigarettes around him
If he smokes I would love him to give me some cigarettes right now haha

But, i was 70% sure that he smoked and when I got the confirmation I was shocked as you
JUST FOR YOU AND HE LOOKS DAMN SEXY WITH IT.

(http://i.fanpix.net/images/orig/u/v/uvr4m0q1d9tdvu49.jpg)


Okay...by the way he held that cigarette I can say for sure that he's a big NON-Smoker :D
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: iMJacksonfaN on February 10, 2010, 07:58:37 AM
Quote from: "mumof3"
Quote from: "iMJacksonfaN"
Just because you have read it or seen it in the media, doesn't mean it's real.

This would probably been confirmed ages ago, if it was true. He said he didn't, so why would he lie? People would look up to Michael as the "Not so smart guy, but an amazing voice even though he smokes" :lol:

It's not written in the fake autopsy report that he smoked, they would notice it on his nails, fingers and teeths.. Also black lungs.

If Michael is dead, I still don't think the autopsy report is real.
I have not commented on this post but sadly my mum doed of lung cancer and she never ever smoked nor did the people around her so sometimes it can all be missleading with the illness  the number of people that said to me your mum must have smoked  but she did not I dont care if michael did or not it is his life but i dont feel that he did as he was so against it.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: Suzy on February 10, 2010, 08:01:07 AM
NO,THE AUTOPSIERAPPORT IS FAKE.AND PEOPLE WHO THINK MICHAEL IS DEAD PLEASR LEAVE BUT DONT MAKE US BELIEVERS BLUE.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: Tina K. on February 10, 2010, 08:08:37 AM
Quote from: "llebreknit"
The autopsy report is real, Michael has gone forever.
Then leave , please ! It's difficult enough as it is, I really dont need people saying this to me.  :(
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: ladylee1979 on February 10, 2010, 08:32:46 AM
can i just say my son had bronicalitis as a baby and the peadatrician told me that only babies get this condition.Bronchiolitis is a common respiratory infection that affects babies and young children. It occurs when the smallest airways in the lungs, called the bronchioles, become infected and inflamed, leading to a build-up of mucus. This makes it harder for the child to breathe because the amount of air entering the lungs is reduced.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Kirsche on February 10, 2010, 08:40:29 AM
Quote from: "ladylee1979"
can i just say my son had bronicalitis as a baby and the peadatrician told me that only babies get this condition.Bronchiolitis is a common respiratory infection that affects babies and young children. It occurs when the smallest airways in the lungs, called the bronchioles, become infected and inflamed, leading to a build-up of mucus. This makes it harder for the child to breathe because the amount of air entering the lungs is reduced.


So....is that another proof, that this autopsy report is a fake?
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: Kirsche on February 10, 2010, 08:41:18 AM
Quote from: "Tina K."
Quote from: "llebreknit"
The autopsy report is real, Michael has gone forever.
Then leave , please ! It's difficult enough as it is, I really dont need people saying this to me.  :(


Just ignore these kind of people, they want this attention :roll:
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: QuirkyDiana on February 10, 2010, 08:57:21 AM
This medical transcriptionist is just giving her opinion. She is hardly the sort of person you would seek advice from to conclusively and authoritatively confirm that the autopsy report is false. She says the report should not be released if there is a criminal trial. But does she know about the circumstances surrounding its release. Might there not be special circumstances if the case also affects the broader public regarding propofol use and what doctors are permitted to do? I guess you would have to directly ask LAPD/Coroner why they released the report and if indeed they have committed a crime in doing so. I do remember that they said the autopsy report was going to be released but put under seal until charges could be made. Is anyone in the legal fraternity complaining that it is out?

The names issue. You would have to directly ask the coroner whether this renders the autopsy report invalid. It's not proof. She says, 'the timelines refleted in those sections also grossly contradict the storyline reported by the media obtained from the coroner'. So what was the storyline reported by the media? We don't know, because she has not backed this up with a quote and she does not allude to what is specifically wrong with the times. It's not a very clinical analysis.

Also, if people are going to say they have strong medical backgrounds, can we please know what it is exactly that you do? I just want to also say that i have sympathy with those people who absolutely cannot take the idea that MJ is dead because it hurts them, but if you are searching for the truth it's not about what you personally need to hear - it's what really happened. And that is still very debatable.
Title: Re: The autopsy is NOT real, someone who has exper. with them...
Post by: QuirkyDiana on February 10, 2010, 09:08:11 AM
Quote from: "Hopeless"
I forgot the link....
Here it is :
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... son14.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson14.html)

Look at point 2 :
Pictures taken when paramedics working at the decedent ???????????????????????
Nothing else to do ?????? It's for the future when all comes out ????

No, it says, picture taken of bedroom where paramedics treated the decedent. Not picture taken of bedroom showing paramedics treating the decedent. It's a picture of the crime scene! The bedroom where he was treated! Blimey......
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: somekindofsign on February 10, 2010, 09:08:34 AM
Quote from: "Venus7"
Please, STOP saying that report is fake and that you 100% sure that MJ is alive, if you don't have any proof to support that. You are hurting me and other people with this rollercoaster. I want to move on and see CM going to jail, but its so diificult to focus in healing and waiting for justice when so many people are giving most likely FALSE hope about Michael being alive...it hurts so much...

Quote
The autopsy report is real, Michael has gone forever.

Quote
I just want to also say that i have sympathy with those people who absolutely cannot take the idea that MJ is dead because it hurts them, but if you are searching for the truth it's not about what you personally need to hear - it's what really happened. And that is still very debatable.

That is not debate.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: Kirsche on February 10, 2010, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: "somekindofsign"
Quote from: "Venus7"
Please, STOP saying that report is fake and that you 100% sure that MJ is alive, if you don't have any proof to support that. You are hurting me and other people with this rollercoaster. I want to move on and see CM going to jail, but its so diificult to focus in healing and waiting for justice when so many people are giving most likely FALSE hope about Michael being alive...it hurts so much...

Quote
The autopsy report is real, Michael has gone forever.

Quote
I just want to also say that i have sympathy with those people who absolutely cannot take the idea that MJ is dead because it hurts them, but if you are searching for the truth it's not about what you personally need to hear - it's what really happened. And that is still very debatable.

That is not debate.

I think the most of us are here because they think MJ is alive??  So why does it give FALSE hope? It is not false to hope that he's alive IMO. It is FACT, that so many things do not add up...and it still continues with the oddities...
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: alovesmichael on February 10, 2010, 09:18:09 AM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
Quote from: "Sabrina"
I would like to see pictures of him with cigarettes and box of cigarettes around him
If he smokes I would love him to give me some cigarettes right now haha

But, i was 70% sure that he smoked and when I got the confirmation I was shocked as you
JUST FOR YOU AND HE LOOKS DAMN SEXY WITH IT.

(http://i.fanpix.net/images/orig/u/v/uvr4m0q1d9tdvu49.jpg)

Lookin' so freakin' HOT!!! Who even notices the cigarette when Michael's looking this sexy?  :D Almost everyone I know smoke so I don't understand the big deal, are cigarettes very tabu in the States? Becasue I'm normally surprised when I meet people my age that don't smoke...
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: GodhaschosenMJ on February 10, 2010, 09:23:08 AM
Thanks for the post Tinkerbell, very much incouraging!

Maybe it is mentioned somewhere else, but did anyone notice that Thisisalsoit.com goes to the SmokingGun with an interesting pic?
Title: Re: The autopsy is NOT real, someone who has exper. with them...
Post by: Kirsche on February 10, 2010, 09:26:18 AM
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
"I am a medical transcriptionist and I can assure you the autopsy report listed online is not legally authentic. I have transcribed 1000s of these reports over the last 25 years and fully understand the legalities of these reports and their confidentiality when they are to be used in a criminal trial. The information contained in the autopsy that is posted online goes far beyond what is standard or customary which is unexplainable and only lends itself to more incredibility. There is also the use of three different names included on the autopsy, consults, toxicology and neuropathological testing: Michael Jackson, Michael J. Jackson, Michael Joseph Jackson, all under the same file name and case number. That is not standard and constitutes inconsistencies that point to its invalidity for the entire record. In addition to its inauthenticity the information regarding the neuropathological testing cannot be true as it is stated. The timelines reflected in those sections also grossly contradict the storyline that was reported by the media who said they got their information from the coroner. Autopsy reports are highly confidential documents when the information contained in them is to be used in a criminal trial. That is all I had to say." said by truth4mj.

Please keep the faith everyone!!



Thank you for sharing this post!!! :D  You made my day!

A BIG VIRTUAL HUG FOR YOU :)
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: iMJacksonfaN on February 10, 2010, 09:37:08 AM
You really believe he smoked, haha..

Well, why wasn't there any picture of Michael, puting that disgusting cigarette in his mouth.. x)

He liked to pose, but what he posed for must have been a joke x)
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: Venus7 on February 10, 2010, 09:42:17 AM
Quote from: "Kirsche"

I think the most of us are here because they think MJ is alive??  So why does it give FALSE hope? It is not false to hope that he's alive IMO. It is FACT, that so many things do not add up...and it still continues with the oddities...

Speak for yourself. We are all have different opinions that every day keep changing.
I'm not sure if MJ alive or death, some days I think he is alive and some days I think he is gone. So far I see more proof that supports his death and so far I didn't see any solid information that says he is alive, I just see many guesses and speculations with nothing to support that.
But I keep coming to this site since June and I'll be coming here and wait for some miracle, although I'm very sceptical about that
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: MashMike on February 10, 2010, 09:49:19 AM
Thanx for this great info.it made my day, :) to tell the truth i didn't have the heart to read the full autopsy report besides i don't understand many medical terms,but i think it's weird that the full autposy report is in web,as if to make people sure that Michael is "dead", since i have never seen other dead celebrities's autopsy records in internet.To the non-believers-plz if u dont believe in hoax anymore and are so sure that he's gone,if u dont wanna investigate and find out the truth any more,just live this forum,plz,dont spread negative energy,this is a hoax site and most of us are true believers and our hope and belief is not based on illusions or simply hope,there are some clues that can be regarded as facts leading to the hoax.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: QuirkyDiana on February 10, 2010, 10:09:08 AM
Quote from: "Kirsche"
I think the most of us are here because they think MJ is alive??  So why does it give FALSE hope? It is not false to hope that he's alive IMO. It is FACT, that so many things do not add up...and it still continues with the oddities...

I have a thought, but it may not be corroborated by the facts. It doesn't matter what people think/believe it's what is presented to us - we investigate that. And if in that objective investigative process evidence comes up that supports the theory MJ is dead, it will be presented and vice versa. This site has not just shared theories, it has shared facts and pieces of information, film and pictures. Does it matter what the majority think? Is that proof of anything? There are some people here who will blindly follow a hoax theory/evidence even if it lacks solid proof or is clearly not objectively investigated. There are other people here who are prepared to look at the 'evidence' put foward that supports 'hoax thoery' and review it honestly and open-mindedly. That also means that if the evidence is shaky or explicable in other plausible ways then this obviously has equal right to come out. Point is, if at the end of all this you want to be satisfied that MJ is alive and hoaxed his death, you have to have irrefutable proof. People are here to test that 'irrefutable proof' otherwise it is worth nothing.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: llebreknit on February 10, 2010, 10:12:22 AM
I ve been a believer since beginning, but now I must open my eyes. Sorry if I have hurt you with my comment, it is not what I want, I am a very real fan of Michael and I want, I need to know the truth, I need to know what happened that 25th June, whatever it was.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: Venus7 on February 10, 2010, 10:23:25 AM
Quote from: "QuirkyDiana"
I have a thought, but it may not be corroborated by the facts. It doesn't matter what people think/believe it's what is presented to us - we investigate that. And if in that objective investigative process evidence comes up that supports the theory MJ is dead, it will be presented and vice versa. This site has not just shared theories, it has shared facts and pieces of information, film and pictures. Does it matter what the majority think? Is that proof of anything? There are some people here who will blindly follow a hoax theory/evidence even if it lacks solid proof or is clearly not objectively investigated. There are other people here who are prepared to look at the 'evidence' put foward that supports 'hoax thoery' and review it honestly and open-mindedly. That also means that if the evidence is shaky or explicable in other plausible ways then this obviously has equal right to come out. Point is, if at the end of all this you want to be satisfied that MJ is alive and hoaxed his death, you have to have irrefutable proof. People are here to test that 'irrefutable proof' otherwise it is worth nothing.

100% agree with you
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 10, 2010, 10:32:24 AM
I too was appalled when this extensive, personal and sensitive info was released on the web, but then as I calmed down and thought longer (I did not read it for personal reasons), it struck me as out of the ordinary for a report like this to be floating around BEFORE jurors are selected for the trial.  How would ANYBODY be objective and fit to serve on a jury when they have had his much info saturated in their brains against MURRAY for months prior?  Surely the prosecution team would have placed a gag order on the report.  And, his family would have protested it.  And finally it is downright unconstitutional and inhumane.  The 2nd question I had about it out there for the world to see is, if this can happen, why then would they not release his medical records to HIS FATHER?  That is an oxymoron. :roll: I feel something is wrong with this picture.  I don't know about how autopsy's are written, etc. but I do know common sense.  And this makes none.  This feels all wrong.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: QuirkyDiana on February 10, 2010, 10:38:30 AM
There should be no such thing as a 'non believer' or a 'believer' when the evidence is still being reviewed. How can you put yourself in one camp or another when evidence is not complete or conclusive? Unless ofcourse you have a theory set in stone already? If so, how can you review things objectively? The hoax theory loses credibility when people do not allow it to be questioned or encourage them to leave the site. People are interested to see if the hoax theory has backbone. If the evidence supporting the hoax theory is strong, people really should have no problem offering it up to scrutiny. After all, people are trying to prove it aren't they?
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: starlight777 on February 10, 2010, 11:00:29 AM
IM SO VERY HAPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYY WOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: The autopsy is NOT real, someone who has exper. with them...
Post by: Hopeless on February 10, 2010, 11:07:28 AM
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... son14.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson14.html)

Look at point 2 :
Pictures taken when paramedics working at the decedent ???????????????????????
Nothing else to do ?????? It's for the future when all comes out ????[/quote]

No, it says, picture taken of bedroom where paramedics treated the decedent. Not picture taken of bedroom showing paramedics treating the decedent. It's a picture of the crime scene! The bedroom where he was treated! Blimey......[/quote]

@QuirkyDiana
Sorry, i missunderstand because my english isn't good enough.....i better be quiet....
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 10, 2010, 11:13:27 AM
The ploy for allowing this info to surface and circulate world wide is obvious, MISTRIAL. :lol:
No one goes to jail.

In jurisprudence, prosecutorial misconduct is a procedural defense; via which, a defendant may argue that they should not be held criminally liable for actions which may have broken the law, because the prosecution acted in an "inappropriate" or "unfair" manner.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 10, 2010, 11:19:26 AM
No jury.  No waste of taxpayer dollars.  This is the master plan to end Murray's role.  How clever.  Dense but clever ;)
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: gardenrose on February 10, 2010, 11:42:34 AM
I had said this in a previous post but I'll mention it again now.  I think that TMZ had this report the whole time and referenced it for the info they gave on the first and second "leaked" autopsy reports that surfaced months ago.
There are similarities to both of the previous leaked reports.  Michael was very thin and balding, michael was a fairly healthy man with nothing really wrong.

I also mentioned that Michael's family would not sit back and allow a legal classified document to fly around the internet for family and his children to see it.  TMZ or Craig Harvey would be sued for sure.  Anyone in their right minds would sue over something like this.

Just because Craig Harvey said "its all out there" does not mean anything.  How do we know he's even a real coroner?  Apparently he has all day to answer people's emails and talk about a very classified autopsy.  Come on.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 10, 2010, 12:01:39 PM
Tell me what has become of my rights
Am I invisible because you ignore me?
Your proclamation promised me free liberty, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of shame
They're throwing me in a class with a bad name
I can't believe this is the land from which I came
You know I do really hate to say it
The government don't wanna see
But if Roosevelt was livin'
He wouldn't let this be, no, no
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: tipareth on February 10, 2010, 12:03:15 PM
I've searched the disease!

It appears also in relation with LUPUS. It's very serious and is evolving toward exitus ( death )  :cry:

It's not necessary in relation with smoking.

http://www.jamesline.com/patiented/mate ... olitis.pdf (http://www.jamesline.com/patiented/materials/pdfdocs/dis-cond/respirat/bronchiolitis.pdf)


If Mike had it, he had it because of Lupus. But I am amazed and angered how Ian Halperin knew about this...
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: Kirsche on February 10, 2010, 12:33:39 PM
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
We all had a feeling about that! but the question is, is it fake and there was no autopsy or was there one but it wasnt MJ?

I think if this report is really invalid..then I think that whole thing is a fake and there was never an autopsy ...
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: MJJ1982 on February 10, 2010, 12:36:00 PM
I'm sorry, but what's the point... What does it matter if he smoked or not... No one of us can tell for sure whether he smoked or not, because we don't know him personally.

You can't see it by the way he's holding that cigarette. I know a lot of men who smoke like that.

Also it's not possible to say that the autopsy report is fake, just because we think he didn't smoked. There may be other reasons why he had that problem.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: Kirsche on February 10, 2010, 12:40:32 PM
Quote from: "Venus7"
Quote from: "Kirsche"

I think the most of us are here because they think MJ is alive??  So why does it give FALSE hope? It is not false to hope that he's alive IMO. It is FACT, that so many things do not add up...and it still continues with the oddities...

Speak for yourself. We are all have different opinions that every day keep changing.
I'm not sure if MJ alive or death, some days I think he is alive and some days I think he is gone. So far I see more proof that supports his death and so far I didn't see any solid information that says he is alive, I just see many guesses and speculations with nothing to support that.
But I keep coming to this site since June and I'll be coming here and wait for some miracle, although I'm very sceptical about that

What I want to say...that we all should be open minded of course! And that's what I do...I always think like "okay, what if he's gone" or "okay what if he's alive..." but ..It is okay that you see more proof that supports his death but to say people give other people false hope when they still believe very strong, that he's alive, is also not very open minded IMO...hm it's hard to explain it in english...and it's not meant to offend you, I just wanted to share my opinion about that...

So after that post, that this report is invalid...I'm just very, very sure again, that this is a HOAX! :)
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bee Bee on February 10, 2010, 12:45:25 PM
Quote from: "tipareth"
I've searched the disease!

It appears also in relation with LUPUS. It's very serious and is evolving toward exitus ( death )  :cry:

It's not necessary in relation with smoking.

http://www.jamesline.com/patiented/mate ... olitis.pdf (http://www.jamesline.com/patiented/materials/pdfdocs/dis-cond/respirat/bronchiolitis.pdf)


If Mike had it, he had it because of Lupus. But I am amazed and angered how Ian Halperin knew about this...

Umm, that was a different lung condition that Halperin was talking about, wasn't it?  :?
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bee Bee on February 10, 2010, 12:45:50 PM
By the way, Michael has discoid lupus, which only affects the skin, right?
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: Venus7 on February 10, 2010, 12:52:04 PM
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
We all had a feeling about that! but the question is, is it fake and there was no autopsy or was there one but it wasnt MJ?

I think if this report is really invalid..then I think that whole thing is a fake and there was never an autopsy ...

Could you support your claim with all the evidence that Autopsy Report is fake?
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: Kirsche on February 10, 2010, 01:05:42 PM
Quote from: "Venus7"
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
We all had a feeling about that! but the question is, is it fake and there was no autopsy or was there one but it wasnt MJ?

I think if this report is really invalid..then I think that whole thing is a fake and there was never an autopsy ...

Could you support your claim with all the evidence that Autopsy Report is fake?


Sorry, what do you mean?

I' ve read this post:

"I am a medical transcriptionist and I can assure you the autopsy report listed online is not legally authentic. I have transcribed 1000s of these reports over the last 25 years and fully understand the legalities of these reports and their confidentiality when they are to be used in a criminal trial. The information contained in the autopsy that is posted online goes far beyond what is standard or customary which is unexplainable and only lends itself to more incredibility. There is also the use of three different names included on the autopsy, consults, toxicology and neuropathological testing: Michael Jackson, Michael J. Jackson, Michael Joseph Jackson, all under the same file name and case number. That is not standard and constitutes inconsistencies that point to its invalidity for the entire record. In addition to its inauthenticity the information regarding the neuropathological testing cannot be true as it is stated. The timelines reflected in those sections also grossly contradict the storyline that was reported by the media who said they got their information from the coroner. Autopsy reports are highly confidential documents when the information contained in them is to be used in a criminal trial. That is all I had to say." said by truth4mj.

And another one who also had his/ her experiencec with this kind of reports said the same thing so I THINK IF this report is invalid...then I think that report is a fake and an autopsy never took place.....because if this would be a report of a different person where they just have put in Michaels name, than the Report and it's kind of how it's written, would be valid...with the one thing, that the person they made the autopsy on is not Michael Jackson but another person
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: mumof3 on February 10, 2010, 03:29:27 PM
does it mention his broken foot sorry if this has been mentioned
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: KingMJ on February 10, 2010, 04:29:58 PM
I've been told by someone who works in a hospital, that he would have been put in the hospital gown when he arrived at UCLA (presumably after they pronounced him dead, as I can't see them wasting time putting that on, instead of trying to revive him).  It doesn't mean he was wearing one at his house! As a side note, my auntie had her clothes cut off her and a gown put on, when she arrived unconscious at hospital.  To enable easy access for doctors, and also for some modesty.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: Lou on February 10, 2010, 04:30:34 PM
Good information!
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: mumof3 on February 10, 2010, 04:34:00 PM
Quote from: "loyalfan"
I AGREE WITH THE REMARK ABOUT THE AMBULANCE PHOTO.........OH PLEASE!!!!DONT EXPECT US TO  BELIEVE MICHEAL WAS UNRECOGNISABLE............SO CAN ANYONE SUGGEST HOW ON EARTH YESTERDAYS CIRCUS ADDS UP........FOR THE LIFE OF ME I CANT FIGURE THIS OUT.......DO YOU THINK WE WILL HAVE TO WATCH THE TRIAL GO AHEAD........JUST AS MICHEAL WENT TO TRIAL????.......SO AS TO PROVE THE POINT............THEN........BAM.............XXXXXX.........I AM INTERESTED TO HEAR OTHER IDEAS.......
I wonder if that is why dad wants to go to court over the photo they realise they have made a mistake  and as  you say anybody knows that Michael how could you not know and in that picture he does not lokk old or asian
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: kelly wright on February 10, 2010, 04:36:44 PM
They can get a copy from the dept of safety, easily enough .
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: the arabian nights on February 10, 2010, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: "MJs Tinkerbell"
From Someone on the LKL Blog
 
February 9th, 2010 10:35 pm ET

@All

I hardly ever post anything anymore but I am a medical transcriptionist and I can assure you the autopsy report listed online is not legally authentic. I have transcribed 1000s of these reports over the last 25 years and fully understand the legalities of these reports and their confidentiality when they are to be used in a criminal trial. The information contained in the autopsy that is posted online goes far beyond what is standard or customary which is unexplainable and only lends itself to more incredibility. There is also the use of three different names included on the autopsy, consults, toxicology and neuropathological testing: Michael Jackson, Michael J. Jackson, Michael Joseph Jackson, all under the same file name and case number. That is not standard and constitutes inconsistencies that point to its invalidity for the entire record. In addition to its inauthenticity the information regarding the neuropathological testing cannot be true as it is stated. The timelines reflected in those sections also grossly contradict the storyline that was reported by the media who said they got their information from the coroner. Autopsy reports are highly confidential documents when the information contained in them is to be used in a criminal trial. That is all I had to say.
i hope this is true, but on another thread someone emailed the coroners office and they confirmed it was a ligit document.  i dont know which thread now as so many
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: gracesong on February 10, 2010, 05:27:28 PM
From the time I first heard about the "leaked autopsy photos" until reading about the release of the report, I've thought that htis whole thing has just gotten creepily moribd. I mean, come on, you guys. we're sitting around reading reports that shouldn't even be aloud to see the light of day outside of a legal and medical institution.
I don't think this report could be real, especially because I would think it would be part of the documents used in the trial. Although, if the person is selected to be on the jury, they would not be allowed to expose themselves to any media outlet.
Now I'm curious, though, someone remarked that this was a hoax but not by michael, what did you mean?
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: ladylee1979 on February 10, 2010, 05:41:45 PM
After the confusion created by the many different diseases once called lupus, nowadays in practice the term is reserved for two types, both related. Systemic lupus, which is so called because it affects internal organs, generally produces a mild rash or flush on the face. Discoid lupus on the other hand, usually causes a much more pronounced, and sometimes scarring, rash on the face, and may also result in severe hair loss and scarring of the scalp The rash varies from a mild pinkness, often brought out by ultra-violet (UV) light, to a florid lumpy and disfiguring rash, which comes and goes. It is a feature of active disease and usually disappears as the disease goes into remission. There is thickening of the skin and a scaliness, which often becomes red and ‘angry’. Scalp involvement (including itchiness, redness and peeling) may be very prominent and patches of baldness may occur. Rashes may affect any part of the body, but other frequent sites are the V-neck area, the palms of the hands, under the elbows and the soles of the feet. On the elbows the rash often appears as small blisters or vesicles which come and go
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: tabloidburn on February 10, 2010, 05:52:19 PM
Quote from: "MJsForever"
I loved Michael, but I think its time to face it...  He is gone.
The DL is a formallity, they knew who Michael Jackson was, who wouldn't.
He didn't need DNA, His family was all there and id'ed him as well.... I would love to find a big hole in this autopsey report, but there isn't one.

yes, there is: i believe that it reads 'normal' next to 'scalp' on the external examination report. and there should have been mentioned that he had a large burn scar on his scalp, or not? to my knowledge, scars stay with you for life, even when treated. and he had transplants on his scalp to cover the burnt parts, so there should have been visible scars somewhere on the scalp. you cannot get rid of one scar and not create another one. at least i wouldn't think so.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: Mariso83 on February 10, 2010, 05:54:22 PM
MIchael has discoid lupus not systemic lupus. U can die from systemic lupus, u can't live more than 10 or 15 years maximum. IF he had this type of lupus he will be gone since a long time ago. U can't die from discoid lupus. It's mostly a skin condition.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: bluegurl201 on February 10, 2010, 06:06:44 PM
I dobut that he smoked but even if he did, I wouldn't think of him any less  :)  :)
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: teine21 on February 10, 2010, 06:07:07 PM
Hopefully he wasn't actually terminally ill like reports have said & didn't actually only have 6 months to live. This autopsy report makes it seem like he was & if it was possible he smoked marijuana hopefully it wasn't for medical use.  :?
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: truthprevails on February 10, 2010, 06:07:19 PM
I found this on page 14 of the report:
"There is a dark skin discoloration resembling a tattoo on the anterior half of the scalp."
It's in the section about scars/tattoos, and I think those of you who didn't find this were looking at a different section, which talked about abnormalities (which probably means something else).

Maybe this is the scar left from the 1984 Pepsi burning incident?
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: bluegurl201 on February 10, 2010, 06:10:10 PM
There's a good chance all those autopsies were fake.

Don't worry I've never loss hope :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: KingMJ on February 10, 2010, 06:17:39 PM
I've just posted this on another topic about the autopsy report, so thought I would post here too incase it's any help...

 I've just spent the past hour and a bit reading through the autopsy report, with a medical professional relative. They agreed that some points seemed to contradict each other, but noted a few things which particularly stood out to them...

1. The autopsy mentions a 1.5cm globulated mass located in the left adrenal gland and also a 0.2cm mass in the right kidney (neither of which should be there). She pointed out that if these masses were malignent, it is possible that they had spread from one to the other (meaning the person who was autopsied had a form of cancer which had started to spread. However, she did say that there is just as much chance these masses could have been benign (not cancerous). But the point she was making was, it was extremely strange that these masses/tumours were not investigated/discussed further, when the rest of the autopsy went into so much detail.

2. Also, she found it odd that with so much detail was given on the poor condition of the lungs, them being inflamed etc. Although it states this wasn't severe enough to be the cause of death, she pointed out that someone who suffered it to that extent, would show obvious effects of it in day to day life. i.e. would not be able to sing and dance, like MJ did on the This Is It DVD.

So it is not just novices, that are noticing strange things in the report. :lol:
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on February 10, 2010, 06:19:54 PM
Quote from: "llebreknit"
The autopsy report is real, Michael has gone forever.

If this is what you think, then seriously, gtfo.  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :evil:
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: mjssoulmate on February 10, 2010, 07:19:06 PM
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Quote from: "MJsForever"
I loved Michael, but I think its time to face it...  He is gone.
The DL is a formallity, they knew who Michael Jackson was, who wouldn't.
He didn't need DNA, His family was all there and id'ed him as well.... I would love to find a big hole in this autopsey report, but there isn't one.


Where do you know from, that the family identified him?
And there a lot of little holes in it....

Do you lose hope just because this report came out?

I do not even think that this report is real. TMZ is a tabloid and I don't think that they would get a real coroner report for the public... Remember TMZ are the only who got this "Report"


LaToya identified him at the hospital.  Aside from her and Jermaine and the kids no other family member ever saw Michael "dead".  Not even his parents.

In the report the detective who was at the hospital describes all the medical equipment that was attached to the body.  LaToya and the kids went in to say good-bye before that, and she described him as looking like he was sleeping.  I don't know about you, but I don't think I would want the kids to their dad with tubes and stuff attached to him.  And then have Paris try to get a heart necklace around his neck? I just can't see that.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: tklein1014 on February 10, 2010, 10:18:18 PM
Quote from: "jenwren20"
ok guys,
So the report mentions a scar in the lower right quadrent, which usually indicates an appendectomy.
I've googled and can't find if MJ had his appendix removed? Does anyone else know?
 :?:

I noticed that too...I don't know the answer to whether he had his removed, but I also noticed that later on in the report it mentions that the appendix is present?
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: CC on February 10, 2010, 10:32:41 PM
Quote from: "farhatmjj"
Quote from: "Datroot"
Quote from: "MJsbasheret"
Quote from: "Venus7"
Please, STOP saying that report is fake and that you 100% sure that MJ is alive, if you don't have any proof to support that. You are hurting me and other people with this rollercoaster. I want to move on and see CM going to jail, but its so diificult to focus in healing and waiting for justice when so many people are giving most likely FALSE hope about Michael being alive...it hurts so much...
Venus7, I understand how hard all of this is for you. I too go between loosing hope and hoping he's alive. If you truly want to move on, then maybe this hoax site isn't for you. The only way I could really let go would be to just leave this site and do just that...move on.

I wish you peace and L.O.V.E.

Yes, nobody is forcing you to read these posts.  If you truly believe MJ to be dead, then leave the site and calm your mind.

+1

+1 GOOD LUCK! L.O.V.E.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: msteetee34 on February 11, 2010, 12:19:24 AM
Quote from: "kelly wright"
why is there a place to talk about THE MURDER THEORY if your not allowed to talk about the murder theory ? At least without someone dogging you about not thinking or perceiving things the same way you do? Let me tell you & maybe its the age difference ,I'm 48 ,but my perception of things going on with Mj is vastly different than  most . I look at some of these hoax video's ,and some of them are just absolute nonsense .And then I see other people commenting "Oh you are a genius " on the same video that I thought was nonsense . And I watched them all . Probably multiple times . I am on several other Sites some hoax sites some not . I looked at the NWO & illuminati stuff {long before MJ Died } The MK ultra  stuff {before I ever saw this site } I been studying since he died and was a fan my whole life since like age 7 . And I just don't understand how some people perceptions are so different . Some are more gullible than others .I am definitly not gullible at my age .I'm no genius , but I am not a fool either .There is a hoax ,but it wasn't Michael that pulled it ,in my opinion .

I don't think people are gullible if they favor him being alive.  If you believe that theory about murder that's your business but your opinion is no better than anyone else theories on here. Just because your almost 50 don't make you wiser than someone who is younger.  Seem like you're trying to insult people's intelligence on here.  You can express yourself without being disrespectful to others opinions.  That's called being mature.  Once again this is a death hoax web site so most opinions will favor him being alive.  Not trying to beef with you but please be respectful with your comments.  Especially since your older be an example.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: Datroot on February 11, 2010, 02:17:57 AM
Quote from: "msteetee34"
Quote from: "kelly wright"
why is there a place to talk about THE MURDER THEORY if your not allowed to talk about the murder theory ? At least without someone dogging you about not thinking or perceiving things the same way you do? Let me tell you & maybe its the age difference ,I'm 48 ,but my perception of things going on with Mj is vastly different than  most . I look at some of these hoax video's ,and some of them are just absolute nonsense .And then I see other people commenting "Oh you are a genius " on the same video that I thought was nonsense . And I watched them all . Probably multiple times . I am on several other Sites some hoax sites some not . I looked at the NWO & illuminati stuff {long before MJ Died } The MK ultra  stuff {before I ever saw this site } I been studying since he died and was a fan my whole life since like age 7 . And I just don't understand how some people perceptions are so different . Some are more gullible than others .I am definitly not gullible at my age .I'm no genius , but I am not a fool either .There is a hoax ,but it wasn't Michael that pulled it ,in my opinion .

I don't think people are gullible if they favor him being alive.  If you believe that theory about murder that's your business but your opinion is no better than anyone else theories on here. Just because your almost 50 don't make you wiser than someone who is younger.  Seem like you're trying to insult people's intelligence on here.  You can express yourself without being disrespectful to others opinions.  That's called being mature.  Once again this is a death hoax web site so most opinions will favor him being alive.  Not trying to beef with you but please be respectful with your comments.  Especially since your older be an example.


Well said - I'm 56 btw.  By the same token, you could be referred to as gullible if you believe the murder theory.  We are all here to find the truth, whatever it may be.
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: Dancing_Machine on February 11, 2010, 02:48:32 AM
Quote from: "mjssoulmate"
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Quote from: "MJsForever"
I loved Michael, but I think its time to face it...  He is gone.
The DL is a formallity, they knew who Michael Jackson was, who wouldn't.
He didn't need DNA, His family was all there and id'ed him as well.... I would love to find a big hole in this autopsey report, but there isn't one.


Where do you know from, that the family identified him?
And there a lot of little holes in it....

Do you lose hope just because this report came out?

I do not even think that this report is real. TMZ is a tabloid and I don't think that they would get a real coroner report for the public... Remember TMZ are the only who got this "Report"


LaToya identified him at the hospital.  Aside from her and Jermaine and the kids no other family member ever saw Michael "dead".  Not even his parents.
In the report the detective who was at the hospital describes all the medical equipment that was attached to the body.  LaToya and the kids went in to say good-bye before that, and she described him as looking like he was sleeping.  I don't know about you, but I don't think I would want the kids to their dad with tubes and stuff attached to him.  And then have Paris try to get a heart necklace around his neck? I just can't see that.

Cause he's most likely alive and kicking!  :D
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: llebreknit on February 11, 2010, 03:01:11 AM
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
Quote from: "llebreknit"
The autopsy report is real, Michael has gone forever.

If this is what you think, then seriously, gtfo.  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :evil:

 :?:  that is very good education, Michael would like you very much........

I explained my point afterwards at another comment. Respect, please.

If I am still here it is because I want to believe, but every day it is being a harder job.

Sorry very much for my bad english, it costs to me a lot of effort to explain my feelings in english, thats why my messages seem a telegram  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: Raven on February 11, 2010, 03:42:50 AM
Quote from: "KingMJ"
1. The autopsy mentions a 1.5cm globulated mass located in the left adrenal gland and also a 0.2cm mass in the right kidney (neither of which should be there). She pointed out that if these masses were malignent, it is possible that they had spread from one to the other (meaning the person who was autopsied had a form of cancer which had started to spread. However, she did say that there is just as much chance these masses could have been benign (not cancerous). But the point she was making was, it was extremely strange that these masses/tumours were not investigated/discussed further, when the rest of the autopsy went into so much detail.
There was a benign one in the colon too.
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: llebreknit on February 11, 2010, 03:52:24 AM
Quote from: "mjssoulmate"
 And then have Paris try to get a heart necklace around his neck? I just can't see that.

I think it was after autopsy, at memorial, at least this is what I have read.
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: Raven on February 11, 2010, 03:53:34 AM
Quote from: "mjssoulmate"
LaToya identified him at the hospital.  Aside from her and Jermaine and the kids no other family member ever saw Michael "dead".  Not even his parents.

In the report the detective who was at the hospital describes all the medical equipment that was attached to the body.  LaToya and the kids went in to say good-bye before that, and she described him as looking like he was sleeping.  I don't know about you, but I don't think I would want the kids to their dad with tubes and stuff attached to him.  And then have Paris try to get a heart necklace around his neck? I just can't see that.
The heart pendant story is a little uncredible. LaToya mentions they tried to put it on his neck but that was not possible so it was wrapped around his wrist. According to LaToya, Paris wanted to keep wearing her half always, however I never saw it. She did wear some silver/blue-ish pendant at the memorial, but at later pictures there was no trace of a pendant around her neck, at least not the one of the memorial.
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: MashMike on February 11, 2010, 05:14:18 AM
LaYoya's story about the necklace is totally false,i mean when she said that Paris bought the necklace after Michael's "passing", then put one part of it in Mike's casket and the other part kept to herself,it's obvious that LaToya made it up,cause Paris was spotted with the same neckalece(with only one part of it)with Mike and Prince some days before Michael's "passing", u can clearly see the necklace,here is the hoax video of it if u havent seen it yet. Michael Jackson-            -Michael Jackson -The Ultimate Hoax-Episode15
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: iMJacksonfaN on February 11, 2010, 09:35:40 AM
Quote from: "teine21"
Hopefully he wasn't actually terminally ill like reports have said & didn't actually only have 6 months to live. This autopsy report makes it seem like he was & if it was possible he smoked marijuana hopefully it wasn't for medical use.  :?

Hahaha. Marijuana.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: QuirkyDiana on February 11, 2010, 03:48:17 PM
Um, actually this site is called death hoax INVESTIGATORS. To investigate is to 'inquire into thoroughly, to discover the truth'. That means any hoax theory has to be open to scrutiny to discover if it has any credibility. Credibility is key.
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: alovesmichael on February 11, 2010, 03:53:52 PM
Quote from: "mumof3"
Quote from: "loyalfan"
I AGREE WITH THE REMARK ABOUT THE AMBULANCE PHOTO.........OH PLEASE!!!!DONT EXPECT US TO  BELIEVE MICHEAL WAS UNRECOGNISABLE............SO CAN ANYONE SUGGEST HOW ON EARTH YESTERDAYS CIRCUS ADDS UP........FOR THE LIFE OF ME I CANT FIGURE THIS OUT.......DO YOU THINK WE WILL HAVE TO WATCH THE TRIAL GO AHEAD........JUST AS MICHEAL WENT TO TRIAL????.......SO AS TO PROVE THE POINT............THEN........BAM.............XXXXXX.........I AM INTERESTED TO HEAR OTHER IDEAS.......
I wonder if that is why dad wants to go to court over the photo they realise they have made a mistake  and as  you say anybody knows that Michael how could you not know and in that picture he does not lokk old or asian

But doesn't bringing up the ambulance photo contradict other well-investigated theories made here on the forum? I thought most believers (not all) considered the ambulance photo a fake and therefore it does not support your doubt. If the ambulance photo is fake we can't know for sure how Michael looked like (without sunnies, make-up etc.) I also thought the comments about Michael being unrecognisable was something the media came up with, I can't remember any official statments about this. These are just my thoughts but perhaps we shouldn't forget these facts in order to make things "fit" with the theory we prefer.
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: Suzi~Ses~Its~Right on February 11, 2010, 04:04:33 PM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
[quote whose with me...i will say though if mj did pass...big IF...then i for one will get the biggest collection of Mj fans ever seen and stay outside the lapd and da office 24/7 til the REAL truth comes out...  
]

I'm definitely up for that!  :lol:  I want the whole truth even if it might be unbearably painful...[/quote]

If i can arrange a place to stay with family out there you can count me in  :D lol but i warn you im your typically mouthy brash cockney ... you sure you want someone that loud?  ;) lol  8-)
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 11, 2010, 05:07:44 PM
My question is why he didn't have a stitch on.  Michael was known to be very shy and modest.  It's hard for me to believe that he was in there all hooked up with not a stitch on.
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: tabloidburn on February 11, 2010, 06:31:53 PM
Quote from: "truthprevails"
I found this on page 14 of the report:
"There is a dark skin discoloration resembling a tattoo on the anterior half of the scalp."
It's in the section about scars/tattoos, and I think those of you who didn't find this were looking at a different section, which talked about abnormalities (which probably means something else).

Maybe this is the scar left from the 1984 Pepsi burning incident?

'anterior' means the discoloration was on the front part of the scalp. probably to hide wig lines in the front. many people have some kind of cosmetic tattoos (brows, eyeliner, lips), so i guess it is not too unusual to have those. although it is peculiar to have your scalp tattooed that way but in the pepsi-accident-footage it was visible that the top/ back of his scalp was burnt. so scars from that would not be in the front, i suppose. plus, it said 'scar' when there was one and not 'discoloration', so they made a distinction there.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: King_Michael on February 11, 2010, 07:06:27 PM
I think the report is a test to see what we will believe and not believe, there have been so many stories about Michael that he had this or that but we know that the media is bs and now looking at this report there is a lot of bs and inconsistencies, if Michael is really gone how come we cant have a straight story on what happened that day that is why this is all fake because there is no logical answer to what happened
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: mjssoulmate on February 11, 2010, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: "KingMJ"
I've just posted this on another topic about the autopsy report, so thought I would post here too incase it's any help...

 I've just spent the past hour and a bit reading through the autopsy report, with a medical professional relative. They agreed that some points seemed to contradict each other, but noted a few things which particularly stood out to them...

1. The autopsy mentions a 1.5cm globulated mass located in the left adrenal gland and also a 0.2cm mass in the right kidney (neither of which should be there). She pointed out that if these masses were malignent, it is possible that they had spread from one to the other (meaning the person who was autopsied had a form of cancer which had started to spread. However, she did say that there is just as much chance these masses could have been benign (not cancerous). But the point she was making was, it was extremely strange that these masses/tumours were not investigated/discussed further, when the rest of the autopsy went into so much detail.

2. Also, she found it odd that with so much detail was given on the poor condition of the lungs, them being inflamed etc. Although it states this wasn't severe enough to be the cause of death, she pointed out that someone who suffered it to that extent, would show obvious effects of it in day to day life. i.e. would not be able to sing and dance, like MJ did on the This Is It DVD.So it is not just novices, that are noticing strange things in the report. :lol:

Yes, I find it very strange that this lung condition was not found by the LLoyds of London doctor(s), who examined and insured him for the concerts.  Does that make any sense?  
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: mykidsmum on February 11, 2010, 07:36:31 PM
does anyone have any idea what the large 4 inch diameter (roundish) scar was from on his right shoulder? (quite large on the picture)  and what about the two sloping downward scars at the base of his neck?  any idea.  Also, any idea what the scar around part of his belly button would be from (I can't immagine him having lipo suction, even though he did have a little gut around the time he divorced LMP) and last but not least, what about the 2 inch surgical scar on his lower right abdomen (he had all his organs)  I was thinking possible hernia?
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: mykidsmum on February 11, 2010, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
does anyone have any idea what the large 4 inch diameter (roundish) scar was from on his right shoulder? (quite large on the picture)  and what about the two sloping downward scars at the base of his neck?  any idea.  Also, any idea what the scar around part of his belly button would be from (I can't immagine him having lipo suction, even though he did have a little gut around the time he divorced LMP) and last but not least, what about the 2 inch surgical scar on his lower right abdomen (he had all his organs)  I was thinking possible hernia?
oh yeh!  I just remembered!  wasn't he burned from some pyrotechnics when he had that accident on stage on the history tour (I think it was history tour) when the bridge broke loose and came down too fast...isn't that what caused the scar on his shoulder?
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: whisper on February 11, 2010, 07:49:10 PM
Maybe the story of MJ being really sick and was going to die in 6 months is true BUT it wasn't really MJ . It was a double . They said he had a lung disease right ? And the autopsy said that the lungs were really damaged , plus there is  a story about an Italian importer that was really ill , and I think this has been discussed  here ....
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: Butterflyaway on February 11, 2010, 08:12:10 PM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Quote from: "mumof3"
Quote from: "loyalfan"
I AGREE WITH THE REMARK ABOUT THE AMBULANCE PHOTO.........OH PLEASE!!!!DONT EXPECT US TO  BELIEVE MICHEAL WAS UNRECOGNISABLE............SO CAN ANYONE SUGGEST HOW ON EARTH YESTERDAYS CIRCUS ADDS UP........FOR THE LIFE OF ME I CANT FIGURE THIS OUT.......DO YOU THINK WE WILL HAVE TO WATCH THE TRIAL GO AHEAD........JUST AS MICHEAL WENT TO TRIAL????.......SO AS TO PROVE THE POINT............THEN........BAM.............XXXXXX.........I AM INTERESTED TO HEAR OTHER IDEAS.......
I wonder if that is why dad wants to go to court over the photo they realise they have made a mistake  and as  you say anybody knows that Michael how could you not know and in that picture he does not lokk old or asian

But doesn't bringing up the ambulance photo contradict other well-investigated theories made here on the forum? I thought most believers (not all) considered the ambulance photo a fake and therefore it does not support your doubt. If the ambulance photo is fake we can't know for sure how Michael looked like (without sunnies, make-up etc.) I also thought the comments about Michael being unrecognisable was something the media came up with, I can't remember any official statments about this. These are just my thoughts but perhaps we shouldn't forget these facts in order to make things "fit" with the theory we prefer.
But don't you realize that is precisely the point! The media is trying to make us believe that the photo is real, but people say he was unrecognizable, yet he was recognizable, which proves the photo is a fake, and it prolly wasn't MJ in the ambulance anyway.....
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: mjboogie on February 11, 2010, 09:46:23 PM
THis is making my head hurt. :(
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: msteetee34 on February 12, 2010, 01:46:31 AM
Quote from: "QuirkyDiana"
Um, actually this site is called death hoax INVESTIGATORS. To investigate is to 'inquire into thoroughly, to discover the truth'. That means any hoax theory has to be open to scrutiny to discover if it has any credibility. Credibility is key.

True but some of the people that favor him being murdered instead of being alive seem to be saying disrespectful comments to other people on here.  Cool if you want to express your theories and yes credibility is the key but no one needs to be rude on here either. Even if we do disagree on different topics.  Like the lady on hear saying that people who believe him to be alive and younger people on here are gullible that's uncalled for.  So if I feel someone if being disrespectful I'm gonna say something about it.  That's not cool we're all entitled to our opinions.  If you want to investigate different avenues that's fine with me just be tactful about it.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: teine21 on February 12, 2010, 02:40:23 AM
Btw, if he was as big of a smoker as this AR makes it seem, there's no way he would be able to still sing the way he does. No way. Has anyone heard Whitney Houston sing lately, her voice is way off from the way it used to be due to drugs not a lung condition from years of smoking, so Michael's would definitely be scratchier & sound way different.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on February 12, 2010, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: "llebreknit"
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
Quote from: "llebreknit"
The autopsy report is real, Michael has gone forever.

If this is what you think, then seriously, gtfo.  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :evil:

 :?:  that is very good education, Michael would like you very much........

I explained my point afterwards at another comment. Respect, please.

If I am still here it is because I want to believe, but every day it is being a harder job.

Sorry very much for my bad english, it costs to me a lot of effort to explain my feelings in english, thats why my messages seem a telegram  :mrgreen:

I saw where you explained yourself, if you think he's dead that's fine, but us believers are tired of people saying things like that though, its really hard to keep faith especially when your on a hoax site and people on there are saying he's dead.  :( your english is fine also.
Title: Who released the official autopsy report?
Post by: msteetee34 on February 13, 2010, 12:50:23 AM
I wonder who actually gave the okay for MJ's autopsy report to be released.  I was looking at some info. about California law and releasing someone's autopsy report to see what the procedure was releasing it to the public.  From what I gathered it is legal to release an autopsy report if a person is suspected of death by a homicide/foul play.  However, I also read that the medical examiner is the one who has the power to release this info.  The medical examiner is not the same as the coroner.  I guess the coroner is just the person that determines the cause of death but the medical examiner is different.  I don't know if this is true or not but I think it would be a good thing to know if possible.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: PrettyYoungTeletubby on February 13, 2010, 09:06:40 AM
I am really surprised how we always draw quick conclusions on here like we were all eminent doctors....lung condition=smoker...geez life is not always black or white...and then someone comes on saying they know that this lung condition is a proof of smoking and everybody believes it wiothout even asking a REAL doctor and not just an mj fan....so i sent the autopsy report to a coroner of my city and asked him bout the lung condition. He said that it was irrelevant and in no way a reason to die. The fact that it s mentioned on the report doesn t mean it was something severe. And it isnt a proof that mj smoke or not...

and for those who say u can say he doesn't smoke by the way he holds his cigarette...well sorry he holds it in a total normal way...as an ex-smoker i don't see what the hell is wrong in the way he holds it...seems like we would go to any length just to make the reality fit with what we want to believe,,,,"the report says he smoked but he doesnt know how to hold a cigarette so the report is fake" geeeez...the report DOESNT say if he smoked or not...if we start making up proof we beLIEvers will never be taken seriously
_____________________________________

Something i wonder and didnt think of asking the coroner. Ppl always say Mj had lupus...but that would have been mentioned on the AR just like vitiligo was... Cause Lupus would be much more relevant in the death of a person than this problem with his left lung...

anyway as his scars from the pepsi accident werent mentioned either...who knows
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: tabloidburn on February 13, 2010, 02:17:39 PM
Quote from: "mjssoulmate"
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Quote from: "MJsForever"
I loved Michael, but I think its time to face it...  He is gone.
The DL is a formallity, they knew who Michael Jackson was, who wouldn't.
He didn't need DNA, His family was all there and id'ed him as well.... I would love to find a big hole in this autopsey report, but there isn't one.


Where do you know from, that the family identified him?
And there a lot of little holes in it....

Do you lose hope just because this report came out?

I do not even think that this report is real. TMZ is a tabloid and I don't think that they would get a real coroner report for the public... Remember TMZ are the only who got this "Report"


LaToya identified him at the hospital.  Aside from her and Jermaine and the kids no other family member ever saw Michael "dead".  Not even his parents.

In the report the detective who was at the hospital describes all the medical equipment that was attached to the body.  LaToya and the kids went in to say good-bye before that, and she described him as looking like he was sleeping.  I don't know about you, but I don't think I would want the kids to their dad with tubes and stuff attached to him.  And then have Paris try to get a heart necklace around his neck? I just can't see that.


this is an interesting point in connection with your post: latoya and jermaine also seem to be the most active ones of the family regarding the media presence (except joe, but he's acting out of this world anyway). plus, they are both known for talking or acting trashy (no offense, but it's true) or even contradicting themselves sometimes, with jermaine being the perfect one to be all emotional all the time and stuff (like you can push a button on him).
latoya talked about that necklace paris was trying to get around his neck when they said their goodbye, which she had gotten just for that purpose, as a last gift for her daddy, according to latoya. but then, photos from before june 25 show paris wearing that exact necklace. plus latoya's story how she was too weak to drive since she was by herself in the car after she heard the news about michael and yet, she was photographed driving herself and her company to the hospital. i just don't believe her. i think she also said that they didn't open the casket because his face was too bruised and damaged from cpr and everything else being done and yet, she says he looked like he was sleeping? contradictions all over the place...

i lost my grandfather at 18, i dissolved myself in tears at his funeral and i wasn't able to do anything right for weeks, not even the basic stuff like eating or sleeping right (let go speak in public). if i just imagine having lost a parent at the age these kids are, there would be no way i could handle that. and no way i could see my dead parent with hoses and needles stuck in. and i would never expose a child to that.
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 13, 2010, 02:29:14 PM
Quote from: "mjssoulmate"
Quote from: "KingMJ"
I've just posted this on another topic about the autopsy report, so thought I would post here too incase it's any help...

 I've just spent the past hour and a bit reading through the autopsy report, with a medical professional relative. They agreed that some points seemed to contradict each other, but noted a few things which particularly stood out to them...

1. The autopsy mentions a 1.5cm globulated mass located in the left adrenal gland and also a 0.2cm mass in the right kidney (neither of which should be there). She pointed out that if these masses were malignent, it is possible that they had spread from one to the other (meaning the person who was autopsied had a form of cancer which had started to spread. However, she did say that there is just as much chance these masses could have been benign (not cancerous). But the point she was making was, it was extremely strange that these masses/tumours were not investigated/discussed further, when the rest of the autopsy went into so much detail.

2. Also, she found it odd that with so much detail was given on the poor condition of the lungs, them being inflamed etc. Although it states this wasn't severe enough to be the cause of death, she pointed out that someone who suffered it to that extent, would show obvious effects of it in day to day life. i.e. would not be able to sing and dance, like MJ did on the This Is It DVD.So it is not just novices, that are noticing strange things in the report. :lol:

Yes, I find it very strange that this lung condition was not found by the LLoyds of London doctor(s), who examined and insured him for the concerts.  Does that make any sense?  


Very good point.
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 13, 2010, 02:31:02 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
does anyone have any idea what the large 4 inch diameter (roundish) scar was from on his right shoulder? (quite large on the picture)  and what about the two sloping downward scars at the base of his neck?  any idea.  Also, any idea what the scar around part of his belly button would be from (I can't immagine him having lipo suction, even though he did have a little gut around the time he divorced LMP) and last but not least, what about the 2 inch surgical scar on his lower right abdomen (he had all his organs)  I was thinking possible hernia?

Could the neck scars be from a cosmetic neck lift?  They seem excessive... im sure a plastic surgeon wouldnt leave such scars but it is the only thing i can think of.

Remember they also said scars behind ears (face lift?) and "nasal structures"...   :cry:

Im confused about the scars on both of his wrists...  i really dont know what they could be from, except the obvious.. which is horrible to think.
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: tabloidburn on February 13, 2010, 04:15:52 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
does anyone have any idea what the large 4 inch diameter (roundish) scar was from on his right shoulder? (quite large on the picture)  and what about the two sloping downward scars at the base of his neck?  any idea.  Also, any idea what the scar around part of his belly button would be from (I can't immagine him having lipo suction, even though he did have a little gut around the time he divorced LMP) and last but not least, what about the 2 inch surgical scar on his lower right abdomen (he had all his organs)  I was thinking possible hernia?

Could the neck scars be from a cosmetic neck lift?  They seem excessive... im sure a plastic surgeon wouldnt leave such scars but it is the only thing i can think of.

Remember they also said scars behind ears (face lift?) and "nasal structures"...   :cry:

Im confused about the scars on both of his wrists...  i really dont know what they could be from, except the obvious.. which is horrible to think.


i was thinking the same with the neck scars, but wouldn't they have been visible in some photo where he had his hair tied to the back? with all the paparazzi swirming around him at all times, i would think that someone would have caught that over the years. they seemed to have been pretty visible from the description. the nose scars were even visible under all that make up...
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: Raven on February 13, 2010, 06:41:13 PM
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
  i lost my grandfather at 18, i dissolved myself in tears at his funeral and i wasn't able to do anything right for weeks, not even the basic stuff like eating or sleeping right (let go speak in public). if i just imagine having lost a parent at the age these kids are, there would be no way i could handle that. and no way i could see my dead parent with hoses and needles stuck in. and i would never expose a child to that.
Not only that, but he is their only parent. Their world basically evolved around him, he was always around.
Title: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: Venus7 on February 13, 2010, 06:47:40 PM
To me autopsy report looks authentic.
But anyone who has some questions or any doubts, you can ask about this subject @ Pathology Forum:
http://www.topix.com/forum/med/pathology (http://www.topix.com/forum/med/pathology)
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: Venus7 on February 13, 2010, 06:53:26 PM
Other forum:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/forumdi ... 10a35&f=51 (http://forums.studentdoctor.net/forumdisplay.php?s=a9a6af968d5eed60e7f71be609b10a35&f=51)
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: lovemj4everandever on February 13, 2010, 07:11:01 PM
The MOST CONCLUSIVE evidence that we have about the autopsy being FAKE (although there are dozens and dozens of obvious things) but the BIGGEST thing is that the ENTIRE autopsy report was dictated on 06/26/09 INCLUDING the OPINION on toxicology results.  The ENTIRE DICTATION was typed on 06/30/09 INCLUDING the OPINION on the toxicology results.  THE ENTIRE AUTOPSY REPORT was typed/transcribed on 06/30/09.  The TOXICOLOGY results were NOT EVEN IN until 07/15/09 as dated on the toxicology reports.   You cannot dictate and transcribe toxicology reports that are not in yet.    :lol:  :lol:

Secondly, the coroner seal that appears on the autopsy report expired in 2004 and they changed to a new seal that year.   The TOXICOLOGY reports have the new seal but the blood was drawn on a patient named "Trauma, Gershwen."  The blood tubes must be labeled "Jackson, Michael."  George Gershwen is a famous composer who wrote "It Ain't Necessarily So."  Ira Gershwen is a famous composer who wrote "The Man That Got Away."  

There are dozens of other things that have already been discussed on other links here in the forum.  But nothing about the autopsy is authentic.  It is a good fake, until you look at the dates of dictation, dates of transcription, legal seals, and pay attention to the "legal" details such as how the blood tubes are labeled.    :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: tabloidburn on February 13, 2010, 07:20:09 PM
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
  i lost my grandfather at 18, i dissolved myself in tears at his funeral and i wasn't able to do anything right for weeks, not even the basic stuff like eating or sleeping right (let go speak in public). if i just imagine having lost a parent at the age these kids are, there would be no way i could handle that. and no way i could see my dead parent with hoses and needles stuck in. and i would never expose a child to that.
Not only that, but he is their only parent. Their world basically evolved around him, he was always around.


exactly. i would have to have been drugged some kinda way to even stand sraight. either these kids are absolutely in control of themselves, then i humbly rest my case, or they know something we don't (yet)...

p.s.: i lost other relatives and friends, too. but i absolutely adored my grandpa, he was the world to me. that was the hardest one for me yet and that was over 20 years ago. i still have my parents, so i consider myself very lucky. i have seen my best friend's daughter literally go through hell over months, when her mother died (she was my best friend, so i've been through some stuff myself). she was eight then, there was no way we could get her to do anything, she was just crying and screaming all the time and that over months. we almost couldn't go through with the funeral, that's how she freaked. that was considered a 'normal' reaction by psychologists who also recommended not to let the child see her mother dead. she had cancer, so we were able to take advice how to handle things when the time came. but then, i live in germany, maybe that's handled differently in the states. we usually also don't have open caskets over here, which seems to be common in the usa. except for michael... :?
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 13, 2010, 08:10:04 PM
wow :!:  just thinking out loud ;)
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: simplyme on February 13, 2010, 09:26:18 PM
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
The MOST CONCLUSIVE evidence that we have about the autopsy being FAKE (although there are dozens and dozens of obvious things) but the BIGGEST thing is that the ENTIRE autopsy report was dictated on 06/26/09 INCLUDING the OPINION on toxicology results.  The ENTIRE DICTATION was typed on 06/30/09 INCLUDING the OPINION on the toxicology results.  THE ENTIRE AUTOPSY REPORT was typed/transcribed on 06/30/09.  The TOXICOLOGY results were NOT EVEN IN until 07/15/09 as dated on the toxicology reports.   You cannot dictate and transcribe toxicology reports that are not in yet.    :lol:  :lol:

Secondly, the coroner seal that appears on the autopsy report expired in 2004 and they changed to a new seal that year.   The TOXICOLOGY reports have the new seal but the blood was drawn on a patient named "Trauma, Gershwen."  The blood tubes must be labeled "Jackson, Michael."  George Gershwen is a famous composer who wrote "It Ain't Necessarily So."  Ira Gershwen is a famous composer who wrote "The Man That Got Away."  

There are dozens of other things that have already been discussed on other links here in the forum.  But nothing about the autopsy is authentic.  It is a good fake, until you look at the dates of dictation, dates of transcription, legal seals, and pay attention to the "legal" details such as how the blood tubes are labeled.    :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:

The seal is not a legal seal as you say.  It's more of a logo - unlike the "seal" that a notary would use.  The logos on the coroner's report and the tox report are identical.  The only difference is the shading due to reproduction.  All the dates are in line.  This report is authentic.  I'm sure the coroner added the last page of the report [which is prob. what you're talking about] after the tox report came back.
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: beatit on February 13, 2010, 09:56:47 PM
Quote from: "simplyme"
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
The MOST CONCLUSIVE evidence that we have about the autopsy being FAKE (although there are dozens and dozens of obvious things) but the BIGGEST thing is that the ENTIRE autopsy report was dictated on 06/26/09 INCLUDING the OPINION on toxicology results.  The ENTIRE DICTATION was typed on 06/30/09 INCLUDING the OPINION on the toxicology results.  THE ENTIRE AUTOPSY REPORT was typed/transcribed on 06/30/09.  The TOXICOLOGY results were NOT EVEN IN until 07/15/09 as dated on the toxicology reports.   You cannot dictate and transcribe toxicology reports that are not in yet.    :lol:  :lol:

Secondly, the coroner seal that appears on the autopsy report expired in 2004 and they changed to a new seal that year.   The TOXICOLOGY reports have the new seal but the blood was drawn on a patient named "Trauma, Gershwen."  The blood tubes must be labeled "Jackson, Michael."  George Gershwen is a famous composer who wrote "It Ain't Necessarily So."  Ira Gershwen is a famous composer who wrote "The Man That Got Away."  

There are dozens of other things that have already been discussed on other links here in the forum.  But nothing about the autopsy is authentic.  It is a good fake, until you look at the dates of dictation, dates of transcription, legal seals, and pay attention to the "legal" details such as how the blood tubes are labeled.    :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:

The seal is not a legal seal as you say.  It's more of a logo - unlike the "seal" that a notary would use.  The logos on the coroner's report and the tox report are identical.  The only difference is the shading due to reproduction.  All the dates are in line.  This report is authentic.  I'm sure the coroner added the last page of the report [which is prob. what you're talking about] after the tox report came back.

I agree, when I am writing reports for calls I run on as an EMT sometimes I remember a detail that should go in the report the next day, of course I have to date and initial the fact that I added something, so I usually try to make sure everything is their that day.

But I agree, they could have wrote what they knew at the time then added pages later.
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: Liberian Girl Heehee on February 13, 2010, 10:02:04 PM
The autopsy report sure looks authentic, but there are enough strange things about it to make me go hmmmmm.   :?   I read the whole report and cried my eyes out.   :cry:  And, I didn't look at this site for an entire day, which I usually look over stuff at least once or twice a day.  I almost gave up on beLIEving and having faith.  But, then I came back and started reading all the posts about the report and now I have big doubts about it.  I don't think anyone can say 100% that the report is authentic unless they watched the cornoner write it.  IDK, but how can you be so certain.

Remember....things don't always apear to be like it seems.   8-)
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: beatit on February 13, 2010, 10:12:24 PM
Quote from: "Liberian Girl Heehee"
The autopsy report sure looks authentic, but there are enough strange things about it to make me go hmmmmm.   :?   I read the whole report and cried my eyes out.   :cry:  And, I didn't look at this site for an entire day, which I usually look over stuff at least once or twice a day.  I almost gave up on beLIEving and having faith.  But, then I came back and started reading all the posts about the report and now I have big doubts about it.  I don't think anyone can say 100% that the report is authentic unless they watched the cornoner write it.  IDK, but how can you be so certain.

Remember....things don't always apear to be like it seems.   8-)

One way to look at it is like this, I am an EMT, when I write a report on a call it become a legal document, if I lie in that report I have commit perjury. The reason being if my report is like it should be is basically taking my place in court. The only time they would call me in is if something in my report didn't make since. Same with a coroner. The difference is they are most of the time if not all the time called in to testify, so he would either have to commit perjury again or say something totally different than whats in his report with his signature on it and make himself look stupid.
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: voiceforthesilent on February 13, 2010, 10:26:51 PM
Quote from: "beatit"
Quote from: "Liberian Girl Heehee"
The autopsy report sure looks authentic, but there are enough strange things about it to make me go hmmmmm.   :?   I read the whole report and cried my eyes out.   :cry:  And, I didn't look at this site for an entire day, which I usually look over stuff at least once or twice a day.  I almost gave up on beLIEving and having faith.  But, then I came back and started reading all the posts about the report and now I have big doubts about it.  I don't think anyone can say 100% that the report is authentic unless they watched the cornoner write it.  IDK, but how can you be so certain.

Remember....things don't always apear to be like it seems.   8-)

One way to look at it is like this, I am an EMT, when I write a report on a call it become a legal document, if I lie in that report I have commit perjury. The reason being if my report is like it should be is basically taking my place in court. The only time they would call me in is if something in my report didn't make since. Same with a coroner. The difference is they are most of the time if not all the time called in to testify, so he would either have to commit perjury again or say something totally different than whats in his report with his signature on it and make himself look stupid.

Just curious - wouldn't the autopsy report have the coroner's initials if he added information after the fact (toxicology report)? Also, I researched the internet a few days ago when this first came up and it specifically said the word "seal", not "logo" was replaced in 2004.  Doesn't it seem odd that a seal (or logo) would be used that is 6 years old? Would it still be considered a valid document? I really don't know, that is why I'm asking.
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: reading_on on February 13, 2010, 10:40:53 PM
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
The MOST CONCLUSIVE evidence that we have about the autopsy being FAKE (although there are dozens and dozens of obvious things) but the BIGGEST thing is that the ENTIRE autopsy report was dictated on 06/26/09 INCLUDING the OPINION on toxicology results.  The ENTIRE DICTATION was typed on 06/30/09 INCLUDING the OPINION on the toxicology results.  THE ENTIRE AUTOPSY REPORT was typed/transcribed on 06/30/09.  The TOXICOLOGY results were NOT EVEN IN until 07/15/09 as dated on the toxicology reports.   You cannot dictate and transcribe toxicology reports that are not in yet.    :lol:  :lol:

Secondly, the coroner seal that appears on the autopsy report expired in 2004 and they changed to a new seal that year.   The TOXICOLOGY reports have the new seal but the blood was drawn on a patient named "Trauma, Gershwen."  The blood tubes must be labeled "Jackson, Michael."  George Gershwen is a famous composer who wrote "It Ain't Necessarily So."  Ira Gershwen is a famous composer who wrote "The Man That Got Away."  

There are dozens of other things that have already been discussed on other links here in the forum.  But nothing about the autopsy is authentic.  It is a good fake, until you look at the dates of dictation, dates of transcription, legal seals, and pay attention to the "legal" details such as how the blood tubes are labeled.    :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:

I see where that is on those first pages (and I don't know why except maybe he made a preliminary finding) but I see toxicology results with the date of 8-19-09
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: reading_on on February 13, 2010, 10:42:38 PM
Quote from: "reading_on"
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
The MOST CONCLUSIVE evidence that we have about the autopsy being FAKE (although there are dozens and dozens of obvious things) but the BIGGEST thing is that the ENTIRE autopsy report was dictated on 06/26/09 INCLUDING the OPINION on toxicology results.  The ENTIRE DICTATION was typed on 06/30/09 INCLUDING the OPINION on the toxicology results.  THE ENTIRE AUTOPSY REPORT was typed/transcribed on 06/30/09.  The TOXICOLOGY results were NOT EVEN IN until 07/15/09 as dated on the toxicology reports.   You cannot dictate and transcribe toxicology reports that are not in yet.    :lol:  :lol:

Secondly, the coroner seal that appears on the autopsy report expired in 2004 and they changed to a new seal that year.   The TOXICOLOGY reports have the new seal but the blood was drawn on a patient named "Trauma, Gershwen."  The blood tubes must be labeled "Jackson, Michael."  George Gershwen is a famous composer who wrote "It Ain't Necessarily So."  Ira Gershwen is a famous composer who wrote "The Man That Got Away."  

There are dozens of other things that have already been discussed on other links here in the forum.  But nothing about the autopsy is authentic.  It is a good fake, until you look at the dates of dictation, dates of transcription, legal seals, and pay attention to the "legal" details such as how the blood tubes are labeled.    :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:

I see where that is on those first pages (and I don't know why except maybe he made a preliminary finding) but I see toxicology results with the date of 8-19-09

Whoa.. on second glance this report definitely has progressive dates throughout, where is the information that all of these documents were on 06/26?
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs on February 13, 2010, 11:09:20 PM
(Yes, this has MISTRIAL written all over it...hoax or no hoax.)

(BTW:  Has no one commented on the "decedent had beard and mustache" as stated in coroner's report???)  



Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
The ploy for allowing this info to surface and circulate world wide is obvious, MISTRIAL. :lol:
No one goes to jail.

In jurisprudence, prosecutorial misconduct is a procedural defense; via which, a defendant may argue that they should not be held criminally liable for actions which may have broken the law, because the prosecution acted in an "inappropriate" or "unfair" manner.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: mjj29081958 on February 13, 2010, 11:42:47 PM
Quote from: "MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs"

(BTW:  Has no one commented on the "decedent had beard and mustache" as stated in coroner's report???)  

If I am not wrong, Coroner's report states "... A mustache and beard are absent."
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: Raven on February 14, 2010, 05:12:17 AM
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
  i lost my grandfather at 18, i dissolved myself in tears at his funeral and i wasn't able to do anything right for weeks, not even the basic stuff like eating or sleeping right (let go speak in public). if i just imagine having lost a parent at the age these kids are, there would be no way i could handle that. and no way i could see my dead parent with hoses and needles stuck in. and i would never expose a child to that.
Not only that, but he is their only parent. Their world basically evolved around him, he was always around.


exactly. i would have to have been drugged some kinda way to even stand sraight. either these kids are absolutely in control of themselves, then i humbly rest my case, or they know something we don't (yet)...
Exactly my thoughts. This is one of my biggest concerns, most children would have totally collapsed, regardless of all the love and support the family can provide.
It is not ment as criticism in any way, but it is an observation that the eldest children -apart from crying Blanket- were smiling on stage at the memorial. Prince was blowing bubblegum and came across somewhat bored and unbothered. In later pictures/video's, they just seem to have a good time playing with their cousins or at attractions. Blanket wondered whatever happened with Michael, and had been asking whether daddy had gone on a holiday. At the Grammy's, Prince clunched onto his fathers award and did not let go. Part of his couragious speech seemed like he was -at least figuratively- addressing it to Michael, slipping up with "your fans". It's hard to explain, maybe it was the way they were raised, to be selfsufficient and strong. Or as you say, they know something we don't.
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: beatit on February 14, 2010, 12:59:24 PM
Quote from: "voiceforthesilent"
Quote from: "beatit"
Quote from: "Liberian Girl Heehee"
The autopsy report sure looks authentic, but there are enough strange things about it to make me go hmmmmm.   :?   I read the whole report and cried my eyes out.   :cry:  And, I didn't look at this site for an entire day, which I usually look over stuff at least once or twice a day.  I almost gave up on beLIEving and having faith.  But, then I came back and started reading all the posts about the report and now I have big doubts about it.  I don't think anyone can say 100% that the report is authentic unless they watched the cornoner write it.  IDK, but how can you be so certain.

Remember....things don't always apear to be like it seems.   8-)

One way to look at it is like this, I am an EMT, when I write a report on a call it become a legal document, if I lie in that report I have commit perjury. The reason being if my report is like it should be is basically taking my place in court. The only time they would call me in is if something in my report didn't make since. Same with a coroner. The difference is they are most of the time if not all the time called in to testify, so he would either have to commit perjury again or say something totally different than whats in his report with his signature on it and make himself look stupid.

Just curious - wouldn't the autopsy report have the coroner's initials if he added information after the fact (toxicology report)? Also, I researched the internet a few days ago when this first came up and it specifically said the word "seal", not "logo" was replaced in 2004.  Doesn't it seem odd that a seal (or logo) would be used that is 6 years old? Would it still be considered a valid document? I really don't know, that is why I'm asking.

Everyone has their ways of doing this and it is whats acceptable to the state, courts, ect. I know I initial just as a CYA,

As for the 6 year old seal I would have to see the new logo and old logo and see what changes where made again not knowing the laws to much in Cali they maybe allowed to use those seals, I would think they would have to use the new ones. But it may still vary well be valid even those it was replaced.
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: llebreknit on February 14, 2010, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: "Venus7"
Other forum:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/forumdi ... 10a35&f=51 (http://forums.studentdoctor.net/forumdisplay.php?s=a9a6af968d5eed60e7f71be609b10a35&f=51)

Quote from: "Venus7"
To me autopsy report looks authentic.
But anyone who has some questions or any doubts, you can ask about this subject @ Pathology Forum:
http://www.topix.com/forum/med/pathology (http://www.topix.com/forum/med/pathology)

my english is terrible so I cant question anything at these forums, maybe someone here can?
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: the arabian nights on February 14, 2010, 02:25:21 PM
i have not read it yet - i know shocking
here is a vid

what do you think
[youtube:146h1wio]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE-kAKtWYqE&NR=1[/youtube:146h1wio]
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: the arabian nights on February 14, 2010, 02:30:58 PM
[youtube:34u5qkpq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-7BoWyeJw[/youtube:34u5qkpq]
Title: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 14, 2010, 03:14:48 PM
Hi,

I thought i would start a thread on this as there has been bits of discussion on this here and there.

In the autopsy report it says MJ had puncture wounds to his arms, scars on his wrists and large scar on his shoulder and also on his neck.

Ive been looking through TII pictures to see if any prove or disprove this.

In particular i have been intrigued by the scars on the neck as in the report these look large.

Can anyone explain to me exactly where these scars are supposed to lie on his neck?

I found this picture which was in TII era and i cant see any scar:

Please add any pictures you have which show MJ arms and neck.

This thread is meant in no disrespect to Michael and his choice to have or not have plastic surgery... but it is in pursuat of the truth in order to prove or disprove the autopsy report.
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: See on February 14, 2010, 03:22:52 PM
(http://michaeljacksonnotdead.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/michael_jackson_ill.jpg)

 It was taken in early 2009

BTW is this Michael anyway :?:
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: the arabian nights on February 14, 2010, 03:30:05 PM
[youtube:38bnxi06]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE5BguYwLbE[/youtube:38bnxi06]
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: the arabian nights on February 14, 2010, 03:32:46 PM
[youtube:u7o6fazf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jo3e0Zra58[/youtube:u7o6fazf]
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: the arabian nights on February 14, 2010, 03:34:20 PM
[youtube:2qfq64wb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYAZHimRVaY&feature=related[/youtube:2qfq64wb]
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 14, 2010, 03:36:56 PM
Quote from: "See"
(http://michaeljacksonnotdead.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/michael_jackson_ill.jpg)

 It was taken in early 2009

BTW is this Michael anyway :?:

It looks like MJ but in an unflattering pose.  lol

Does anyone have TII pics of MJ that show his neck, arms and wrists.

Seeing as we do now know how recent this neck surgery and scars on his arms were..  i think we need to focus on 2009 pictures as any earlier would be useless.

Anyone know where the scars are supposed to lie?  I did read the autopsy report and know there were pictures but cannot find the strength to re-read it at the moment. x
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: the arabian nights on February 14, 2010, 03:39:19 PM
[youtube:152nfrjz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8Yks1dl1bU&feature=related[/youtube:152nfrjz]
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: the arabian nights on February 14, 2010, 03:52:47 PM
tii
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: See on February 14, 2010, 03:56:51 PM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
[youtube:qdzjfjl3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE5BguYwLbE[/youtube:qdzjfjl3]

LMAO thought I was the only one obsessed with this guys neck.... Not to forget his smile :D
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 14, 2010, 03:57:48 PM
where are the scars supposd to be on his neck?  High up or not?  Would the pictures i posted show the scars?  i can only find those photos where he is wearing a low neck top
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: the arabian nights on February 14, 2010, 03:59:04 PM
the tii pic i have seen dont look anything but normal, he wore open front shirts

so i think if there were needle marks it would be in more personal areas
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: the arabian nights on February 14, 2010, 04:01:03 PM
why is there so much rubbish ( i mean writing in the press ) about mj - heart breaking
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: mjj29081958 on February 14, 2010, 04:05:45 PM
Are you referring to the scars drawed in the back of neck-shoulders ? Those are very down on the neck, would have been always hidden by clothes, don't you think?.
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: alovesmichael on February 14, 2010, 04:06:46 PM
Quote from: "See"
(http://michaeljacksonnotdead.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/michael_jackson_ill.jpg)

 It was taken in early 2009

BTW is this Michael anyway :?:

If I compare this picture to the more recent ones I would think that one possibility (concerning the neck scars) could be surgery to tighten the skin around the neck, since it tends to get looser the older you become. I searched a bit for information on neck lifts but it seems like the scars should then be behind the ears or/and under the chin, hmm... Just a theory though.

here's a link on necklifts:

http://www.medicinenet.com/neck_lift_cosmetic_surgery/article.htm
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 14, 2010, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: "mjj29081958"
Are you referring to the scars drawed in the back of neck-shoulders ? Those are very down on the neck, would have been always hidden by clothes, don't you think?.

Oh.. so on the back of the neck?  Not at front?
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: mumof3 on February 14, 2010, 04:32:35 PM
You always come up with well thought out  posts DancingThe Dream
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 14, 2010, 04:33:40 PM
PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHERE THESE NECK SCARS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE BODY?

Lol.. its driving me crazy.  Are they at the front of the neck or at the back?

I cant bring myself to read the autopsy report again so i am relying on a bit of help here.  xxx

@mumof3   (((hugs))))  :D
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: iMJacksonfaN on February 14, 2010, 04:37:51 PM
Well, Autopsy report is fake.. And if Michael were dead, it's still fake.
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 14, 2010, 04:42:06 PM
I know they are at the "base of the neck" so if they were at the front then they should show in the pictures i have provided.

Can someone please confirm to me if they are at the base of the neck at the front or the rear?
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 14, 2010, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: "See"
(http://michaeljacksonnotdead.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/michael_jackson_ill.jpg)

 It was taken in early 2009

BTW is this Michael anyway :?:

It doesnt matter...  ive looked again and see it says "posterior of neck" which means the back of the neck.
My bad.. i got confused and thought the scars were at the front.   Therefore we wouldnt see these scars unless he was topless and photographed from the back which is highely unlikely.

The pic above which was posted could prove MJ did have a neck lift as in that pic his neck looks saggy and then in later pics it looks very smooth.

I feel very sad now.....  i pray MJ is a peace wherever he is.    He really didnt need to put himself through all that pain and all those operations.  He was an angel.  His beauty came from within.  I wish he could have seen that.  I wish he could have believed he didnt have to go in for all that surgery crap.  

 :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: mumof3 on February 14, 2010, 05:20:08 PM
I think the picture above is where he just tensed the muscles in his neck his neck does not look like this in tii
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: alovesmichael on February 14, 2010, 05:25:51 PM
Still haven't figured out how to post pictures so I'm posting the links of some pics where we can see Michael's wrists. I can't see any scars maybe they were quite small but that's why it's so weird they didn't even mention the scar on his cheek/lip in the AR. I thought they didn't mention them because they were quite small but I can't make out any scars on his wrists at all...


http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/doctor_15/004.jpg
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/doctor_16/010.jpg
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: WendyE on February 14, 2010, 09:47:33 PM
In my personal opinion, the autopsy report should be complete. They would not take out certain items and leave the rest for us to comb over. The scaring on MJ's head would have nothing to do with this case. Why it was omitted I have not a clue. The examination of the pulmonary system has me stumped as well. If these are Michael's lungs the were in very bad shape. Terminal in my humble opinion. The fact they could not get complete dental records...come on have you seen his grill?!!! That man has a perfect smile and I am sure he kept his dental appointments. I wouldn't be hard to find a full set of dental xrays. They are done ever 2 to 3 years. There are so many things wrong with this report I find it laughable. Again, speaking only as an opinion, they either really screwed up this autopsy and they were sloppy and did it with hast. Or they performed the exam on someone other that Micheal J Jackson. Or it is totally fabricated and written in movie form. In other words a HOAX. I guess we will have to keep searching.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: ILuvUMoreMJ on February 15, 2010, 04:55:45 AM
Quote from: "PrettyYoungTeletubby"
so i sent the autopsy report to a coroner of my city and asked him bout the lung condition. He said that it was irrelevant and in no way a reason to die. The fact that it s mentioned on the report doesn t mean it was something severe.

Thank you for doing that!!  I can't understand why everyone is jumping to the conclusion that MJ had a fatal lung disease.  If that were the case, then it would have been attributed to the cause of death.  I agree with your entire post.  And I don't understand why lupus and the pepsi scars weren't mentioned, although I'm not sure exactly how they would detect lupus in an autopsy.
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: the arabian nights on February 15, 2010, 06:15:34 AM
look joe said there werent any injection marks

latoya for some reason said she was looking at this legs and they were alright.

i think he is alive and this is a bunch of BS (so for being a bit rude)
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: alovesmichael on February 15, 2010, 09:02:42 AM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
look joe said there werent any injection marks

latoya for some reason said she was looking at this legs and they were alright.

i think he is alive and this is a bunch of BS (so for being a bit rude)

Could it be that Joe and Latoya don't want Michael to look like an addict and therefore they're denying seeing any marks? I mean, to protect Michael from further media bashing? Idk, but I'm glad you think his alive because by reading the posts on the forum I've noticed you've done a lot of research and that's reassuring  ;)
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: Eva R on February 15, 2010, 10:07:37 AM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
i have not read it yet - i know shocking
here is a vid

what do you think
[youtube:3atrk2sz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE-kAKtWYqE&NR=1[/youtube:3atrk2sz]
wtf!! what a BS!
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: lisap27 on February 15, 2010, 10:19:24 AM
that morgue video is that what they presume he'd look like?? you can tell its animated but its kinda creepy!!

another thing if the autopsy was fake with seals and logo's etc i think people would have picked up on that tbh.. not just hoax investigators..

or do you think its fake as in not our Michael , but another Michael.. simply look how many impersonators there are that look like his driving license picture, it didn't mention DNA i'm sure so just going off a picture it could be any 50 year old Michael impersonator or did they do other tests?? i might have missed that bit!!  :shock:
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: voiceforthesilent on February 15, 2010, 10:33:06 AM
Quote from: "Eva R"
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
i have not read it yet - i know shocking
here is a vid

what do you think
[youtube:37tyt0pm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE-kAKtWYqE&NR=1[/youtube:37tyt0pm]
wtf!! what a BS!


Oh my - this is horrible. But, it doesn't look real.
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: the arabian nights on February 15, 2010, 10:39:14 AM
Quote from: "lisap27"
that morgue video is that what they presume he'd look like?? you can tell its animated but its kinda creepy!!

another thing if the autopsy was fake with seals and logo's etc i think people would have picked up on that tbh.. not just hoax investigators..

or do you think its fake as in not our Michael , but another Michael.. simply look how many impersonators there are that look like his driving license picture, it didn't mention DNA i'm sure so just going off a picture it could be any 50 year old Michael impersonator or did they do other tests?? i might have missed that bit!!  :shock:
its just an animation, or whatever they call it now.

i havent read the report and i did not know how these to vid's compared with what is in the report.

(@EvaR the WTF - comment is like a knife thru me - please dont use it -its offensive)

just wanted your views on what the vids are saying.
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: the arabian nights on February 15, 2010, 10:42:04 AM
i haven't read the report but what is with the DNA, i understand that sperm samples are being stored at the request of the family - is that bogus, what about mikes fingerprints- he was fingerprinted at the criminal hearing, and what about eye scans on passports arent they compulsary in america?
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: the arabian nights on February 15, 2010, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
look joe said there werent any injection marks

latoya for some reason said she was looking at this legs and they were alright.

i think he is alive and this is a bunch of BS (so for being a bit rude)

Could it be that Joe and Latoya don't want Michael to look like an addict and therefore they're denying seeing any marks? I mean, to protect Michael from further media bashing? Idk, but I'm glad you think his alive because by reading the posts on the forum I've noticed you've done a lot of research and that's reassuring  ;)
yes your right, but also joe and latoya are not known for been tight lipped about anything and they say the most inappropriate things are the most inappropriate of times
Klein said that he did not see any marks.

if mike is alive - hope so - do you think he is still seeing Klien i mean he needs to get his skin creams from somewhere?
Title: Re: Autopsy Scars... pics to prove and disprove?
Post by: the arabian nights on February 15, 2010, 10:48:09 AM
plus, mike had a medical for the insurers, this will surely come out in the criminal proceedings and was due to have another prior to the shows; so continuous pitting of the skin from injections and iv would be visible especially if cm was rubbish at it, mike was looking for other medical help with this i understand.
Title: Re: Don't lose Hope! Fake Autopsy Report!
Post by: the arabian nights on February 15, 2010, 10:51:42 AM
i have not read the report - yes shocking
but as report - mike had slices taken from his brain any mention of the results?
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: BlondeGrl on February 15, 2010, 12:07:56 PM
Quote
1. The autopsy mentions a 1.5cm globulated mass located in the left adrenal gland and also a 0.2cm mass in the right kidney (neither of which should be there). She pointed out that if these masses were malignent, it is possible that they had spread from one to the other (meaning the person who was autopsied had a form of cancer which had started to spread. However, she did say that there is just as much chance these masses could have been benign (not cancerous). But the point she was making was, it was extremely strange that these masses/tumours were not investigated/discussed further, when the rest of the autopsy went into so much detail.

What page of the report is all of this on?

Thanks :-)
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: tabloidburn on February 15, 2010, 01:18:15 PM
Quote from: "TruthBTold80"
In the autopsy it's states that they identified Michael from his drivers licenses but here is the problem with that. Michael was only wearing a hospital gown there was no clothes with him so were could he have kept this identification? Also sounds to me it was pretty hectic in that house and I don't think grabbing a license was priority #1. So were did they get it from? Also if they did indeed identify him with it that would have meant somebody would have had to gone back to the house to get it while the doctors stand around and wait for it? that don't make any sense so my question of the odd is

WERE DID THEY GET THE LICENSE TO IDENTIFY HIM WITH IF ALL HE HAD WAS A NIGHTGOWN??????????? :?  :?  :?


maybe murray grabbed it between discovering michael not breathing, making his phone calls and finding someone to call 911...he took about an our to dabble around the house before making a move it seems...
(not meaning to be sarcastic, but i also find it odd that someone must have found the time to look for it)
other question: who knew in the first place where it was? i wouldn't tell my doctor where my id was if i had nothing to worry about. unless i knew i needed it, nobody would know other than my kids where i keep it. i never told anyone 'this is where my id is, just in case', which is the question here: who would michael tell where his id is? i highly doubt that the paramedics started looking for it.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: AppleHead on February 15, 2010, 01:31:48 PM
I don't find it odd that his ID was taken to the hospital. If I had to guess, Michael probably kept his wallet (yes, he carried one  :lol: ) on the nightstand and Alberto probably grabbed it as they paramedics were taking him out of the house. The paramedics were in the house for quite some time so there was plenty of time to gather anything that needed to be taken to the hospital.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mjjveritas on February 15, 2010, 02:07:15 PM
Applehead, It's only Queen Elizabeth II that doesn't carry a wallet/money. MJ is royalty of a different kind.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: BlondeGrl on February 15, 2010, 02:21:30 PM
I noticed several people asking for pictures of Michael's neck from the This Is It rehearsals.  Here's one:

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e141/steph83ga/20274_468123380293_505620293_109699.jpg)

Looks fine to me...really fine  :lol:  I've always loved his neck. I don't see any scars or "marks" of any kind.

There's also this picture. I do think he looks incredibly skinny here but you can see there are not marks or scars on his neck or arms. Someone told me this picture was taken June 23rd.

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e141/steph83ga/16876_1187483654157_1440271745_3045.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on February 15, 2010, 02:22:54 PM
here's a vid about michael's 'missing nose', an interview with geraldo and someone who claims that michael had a prosthetic nose (some pics are just tasteless, disregard that, please!). is that even mentioned in the autopsy report, if this was true? i've read through about half of it and some other bits and pieces, but didn't find anything about an 'absent nosetip' or the likes yet. i figure that would be in there...?

anyway, towards the end of it, there is a pic of michael (from the side, at 1:55) where i think i see a scar behind his ear which appears to be quite large. but then, i thought the base of the neck would be more towards the shoulder? or is the base where the skull ends? help, anyone?  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS0oI5Q8Kfc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS0oI5Q8Kfc)
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: the arabian nights on February 15, 2010, 02:28:22 PM
the neck looks normal to me, surely injecting in the neck is very dangerous, so near the heart, to have collapsed veins in this area?

what about his arms do we have tii photos of the arm, i would have thought that the neck would be one of the last places you would inject?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: BlondeGrl on February 15, 2010, 02:30:25 PM
Michael wore tape on his nose when he went to sleep at night. That was something he had done for years. Maybe that is what the autopsy report is referring to.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: BlondeGrl on February 15, 2010, 02:33:12 PM
Something else I just thought about...don't you think that if there were marks all over his arms Michael Bush (one of his costumer designers) would have noticed?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: MeandMyShadow on February 15, 2010, 02:55:42 PM
So, they never have stated that the urine in the bottle was MJ's have they?  Could it have been Murrays, for whatever reason?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: the arabian nights on February 15, 2010, 02:58:40 PM
Quote from: "BlondeGrl"
Something else I just thought about...don't you think that if there were marks all over his arms Michael Bush (one of his costumer designers) would have noticed?

well yes

what about others who could have noticed?

these are the little big mouths
1. Chef
2. KF
3. Klein
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: the arabian nights on February 15, 2010, 03:03:03 PM
but no mention,  so no marks
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: BlondeGrl on February 15, 2010, 03:12:05 PM
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
So, they never have stated that the urine in the bottle was MJ's have they?  Could it have been Murrays, for whatever reason?

It probably was Michael's urine. They said he was wearing a condom catheter so I'm assuming the catheter was emptied and that's where the urine came from.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: the arabian nights on February 15, 2010, 03:23:17 PM
Quote from: "BlondeGrl"
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
So, they never have stated that the urine in the bottle was MJ's have they?  Could it have been Murrays, for whatever reason?

It probably was Michael's urine. They said he was wearing a condom catheter so I'm assuming the catheter was emptied and that's where the urine came from.
i assume a condom catheter is just a bigger condom with room to catch the urine, so how many times would this be emptied?
Cm would do that, but why didnt he empty the bottle in the toilet or was he never to leave mj unattended, if so why on cm only in attendance, why not a nurse or another doctor, and then why leave him on 25th to speak on the phone?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: alovesmichael on February 15, 2010, 03:27:09 PM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
the neck looks normal to me, surely injecting in the neck is very dangerous, so near the heart, to have collapsed veins in this area?

what about his arms do we have tii photos of the arm, i would have thought that the neck would be one of the last places you would inject?

Well, the report mentions scars on the neck right so it might not have to be injection marks... Perhaps the scars are from something else (cosmetic surgery, accident...)? And didn't someone on another thread mention it was at the back of the neck? Would probably be quite hard to get a picture of that area considering Michael was wearing jackets, blazers, hair down etc. at most times   :(
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: the arabian nights on February 15, 2010, 03:29:31 PM
found this information on the subject
this is the first site, dont want to be looking for this stuff on my computer
http://alzheimers.about.com/od/practica ... theter.htm (http://alzheimers.about.com/od/practicalcare/a/condom_catheter.htm)
How to put on a Condom catheter
A urinary incontinence device for men

There are a number of external devices that can be used for people unable to control their bladders. In Alzheimer's disease incontinence often becomes a major source of stress for the person with Alzheimer's and their caregivers. In this article I look at the condom catheter for men.

The condom catheter is one of the most simple devices to put on and can give the incontinent males greater confidence and comfort for this embarrassing condition.

Description of the condom catheter
The condom catheter is a condom like device that is placed over the penis. An drainage tube is attached to the condom that allows the urine to pass into a urinary storage bag. The bag's contents can be emptied into the toilet.

Putting on a condom catheter
Always tell the 'patient' what you are going to do. This is especially important if they are confused. You only have to imagine someone suddenly starting this sort of procedure and how it would affect you if you did not understand what was happening.

Once the person is reassured;


•The penis should be gently washed and dried. Make sure the penis is dry before you put on the condom catheter.

•Trim any pubic hair that a) may cause discomfort if it got caught in the condom or (b) may prevent the condom being fitted securely.
The condom catheter should fit snugly without being too tight.
How often should you change a condom catheter?
Condom catheters should be changed every day or at least every other day.

Hygiene and caregiver tips
Always clean the penis before applying a condom catheter and after taking it off. Make sure the skin does not show any signs of damage such as sores or cuts. Sometimes the adhesive that secures the urinary condom device into place around the base of the penis can cause irritation. If the skin shows signs of skin breakdown the device should not be reapplied until the skin heals properly.

Remember, urine is an irritant to the skin and regular cleaning of any leakage is very important. Barrier creams should not be used on or near the penis as this may cause the urinary condom to slip off or leak.

Condom catheters are a useful and simple device for the control and treatment of urinary incontinence...
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: the arabian nights on February 15, 2010, 03:33:00 PM
i dont think it is something you really want to do repeatedly over time?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Tina K. on February 15, 2010, 03:48:54 PM
I have used them several times at my work, and here in Denmark they are not beeing used that much anymore, they are considered old fashion... and not comfortable for the user.As far as I know.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: MeandMyShadow on February 15, 2010, 06:13:45 PM
Since we are discussing the catheter and bladder, I think it mentioned him taking Flomax.  Or, was it on the autopsy report of drugs that were found in the room?  

Did it say anything in regards to the prostate?   I looked over the report, but a lot of it was over my head (lol) as to the medical terms and all.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mykidsmum on February 15, 2010, 07:00:58 PM
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
Since we are discussing the catheter and bladder, I think it mentioned him taking Flomax.  Or, was it on the autopsy report of drugs that were found in the room?  

Did it say anything in regards to the prostate?   I looked over the report, but a lot of it was over my head (lol) as to the medical terms and all.
flomax is used to relax the muscles of the prostate and bladder to help someone like MJ who had an enlarged prostate to go more easily.  The problem with an enlarged prostate is that it makes urinating difficult and often you have to go many times because you can not empty your bladder fully.  The condom catheter, I believe, was used in order to collect MJ's urine in the container in order to keep track of the amount of fluid he was losing....remember, he was being treated for dehydration that night.  A condom catheter allowed easy peeing into a bottle with minimal embarrassment (he wouldn't have to pull out his whole penis, just the tube that comes off the end of the catheter) and because he was trying to sleep, he would not have to leave the bed a million times to relieve himself like people who suffer from enlarged prostate have to do.  MJ did not have incontinence.  He had urine retention which is evident in the distended bladder and the more than 2 cups of urine in his bladder at autopsy.  (for someone who has a normal prostate, one that is not pushing and blocking the urethra, that amount of urine would have been released during the time of death when the muscles relax)
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 15, 2010, 07:09:28 PM
I know this is a medical thread and all, but all this talk about Michael's penis is getting me a little horney  :oops:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on February 15, 2010, 07:45:46 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
Since we are discussing the catheter and bladder, I think it mentioned him taking Flomax.  Or, was it on the autopsy report of drugs that were found in the room?  

Did it say anything in regards to the prostate?   I looked over the report, but a lot of it was over my head (lol) as to the medical terms and all.
flomax is used to relax the muscles of the prostate and bladder to help someone like MJ who had an enlarged prostate to go more easily.  The problem with an enlarged prostate is that it makes urinating difficult and often you have to go many times because you can not empty your bladder fully.  The condom catheter, I believe, was used in order to collect MJ's urine in the container in order to keep track of the amount of fluid he was losing....remember, he was being treated for dehydration that night.  A condom catheter allowed easy peeing into a bottle with minimal embarrassment (he wouldn't have to pull out his whole penis, just the tube that comes off the end of the catheter) and because he was trying to sleep, he would not have to leave the bed a million times to relieve himself like people who suffer from enlarged prostate have to do.  MJ did not have incontinence.  He had urine retention which is evident in the distended bladder and the more than 2 cups of urine in his bladder at autopsy.  (for someone who has a normal prostate, one that is not pushing and blocking the urethra, that amount of urine would have been released during the time of death when the muscles relax)

is it even possible to go through weeks of intense rehearsal routines with a condition like that? does the medication make that possible?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mykidsmum on February 15, 2010, 08:27:20 PM
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
Since we are discussing the catheter and bladder, I think it mentioned him taking Flomax.  Or, was it on the autopsy report of drugs that were found in the room?  

Did it say anything in regards to the prostate?   I looked over the report, but a lot of it was over my head (lol) as to the medical terms and all.
flomax is used to relax the muscles of the prostate and bladder to help someone like MJ who had an enlarged prostate to go more easily.  The problem with an enlarged prostate is that it makes urinating difficult and often you have to go many times because you can not empty your bladder fully.  The condom catheter, I believe, was used in order to collect MJ's urine in the container in order to keep track of the amount of fluid he was losing....remember, he was being treated for dehydration that night.  A condom catheter allowed easy peeing into a bottle with minimal embarrassment (he wouldn't have to pull out his whole penis, just the tube that comes off the end of the catheter) and because he was trying to sleep, he would not have to leave the bed a million times to relieve himself like people who suffer from enlarged prostate have to do.  MJ did not have incontinence.  He had urine retention which is evident in the distended bladder and the more than 2 cups of urine in his bladder at autopsy.  (for someone who has a normal prostate, one that is not pushing and blocking the urethra, that amount of urine would have been released during the time of death when the muscles relax)

is it even possible to go through weeks of intense rehearsal routines with a condition like that? does the medication make that possible?
I'm sure it's possible, people function in society all the time with enlarged prostates, that medication makes it easier to empty the bladder fully so that the time between urination's isn't so frequent.  I'm sure he could do the rehearsals with this condition, it's the lung condition that concerns me.  Some people have said MJ had an oxygen tank off to the side that he would use between breaks and if you notice, they never show a rehearsal straight through on TII movie.  I think MJ could have pulled of 10 concerts, I think it would have been hard, but 50!  That is too much for a healthy 50 year old.  Let's see what Madonna would say about that!  Someone also mentioned on here that MJ spoke to the concert promoter days before he died about nixing the 50 concert idea and doing one big huge concert that would be televised in stadiums and movie theaters around the world simutaniously and then the DVD and CD of music from it would go on sale...funny how they said no and then he died!
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: BlondeGrl on February 15, 2010, 09:09:45 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
Since we are discussing the catheter and bladder, I think it mentioned him taking Flomax.  Or, was it on the autopsy report of drugs that were found in the room?  

Did it say anything in regards to the prostate?   I looked over the report, but a lot of it was over my head (lol) as to the medical terms and all.
flomax is used to relax the muscles of the prostate and bladder to help someone like MJ who had an enlarged prostate to go more easily.  The problem with an enlarged prostate is that it makes urinating difficult and often you have to go many times because you can not empty your bladder fully.  The condom catheter, I believe, was used in order to collect MJ's urine in the container in order to keep track of the amount of fluid he was losing....remember, he was being treated for dehydration that night.  A condom catheter allowed easy peeing into a bottle with minimal embarrassment (he wouldn't have to pull out his whole penis, just the tube that comes off the end of the catheter) and because he was trying to sleep, he would not have to leave the bed a million times to relieve himself like people who suffer from enlarged prostate have to do.  MJ did not have incontinence.  He had urine retention which is evident in the distended bladder and the more than 2 cups of urine in his bladder at autopsy.  (for someone who has a normal prostate, one that is not pushing and blocking the urethra, that amount of urine would have been released during the time of death when the muscles relax)

is it even possible to go through weeks of intense rehearsal routines with a condition like that? does the medication make that possible?
I'm sure it's possible, people function in society all the time with enlarged prostates, that medication makes it easier to empty the bladder fully so that the time between urination's isn't so frequent.  I'm sure he could do the rehearsals with this condition, it's the lung condition that concerns me.  Some people have said MJ had an oxygen tank off to the side that he would use between breaks and if you notice, they never show a rehearsal straight through on TII movie.  I think MJ could have pulled of 10 concerts, I think it would have been hard, but 50!  That is too much for a healthy 50 year old.  Let's see what Madonna would say about that!  Someone also mentioned on here that MJ spoke to the concert promoter days before he died about nixing the 50 concert idea and doing one big huge concert that would be televised in stadiums and movie theaters around the world simutaniously and then the DVD and CD of music from it would go on sale...funny how they said no and then he died!

I have been told the same thing about there being oxygen tanks either on the side or behind the stage. Do you all remember after he first "died" the media making a big deal about oxygen tanks being in the house and in his bedroom. Even the chef said she noticed Murray carrying them up the stairs. Are any oxygen tanks mentioned on the police report? I didn't see them mentioned in the autopsy report either when it described the bedroom.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Hoaxornot on February 15, 2010, 09:22:55 PM
Brian Oxman mentioned on June 25th in an interview that Michael had broken his leg ... any leg fracture mentioned in the autopsy?

What is weird is that one of the dancers mentioned that Michael say "I did not sleep again last night".... was he not injected with propofol every night?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: BlondeGrl on February 15, 2010, 09:34:53 PM
Quote from: "Hoaxornot"
Brian Oxman mentioned on June 25th in an interview that Michael had broken his leg ... any leg fracture mentioned in the autopsy?

What is weird is that one of the dancers mentioned that Michael say "I did not sleep again last night".... was he not injected with propofol every night?

I must have missed one of the dancers saying that. Do you know what interview that was from?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Hoaxornot on February 15, 2010, 10:52:49 PM
I cannot find the quote that I was looking for but here is one by Kenny Ortega

Jackson told Ortega he had issues with insomnia.

"He would say to me, 'I didn't sleep much last night,'" Ortega said. "If he got inspired, then he would work on a song, work on a lyric. He would go downstairs and work in his room and work on a dance step or call me on the phone at 3 o'clock."

if he was using propofol he would be rested as I heard it gives you the best rest you ever had

I am still looking for the other quote
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mykidsmum on February 15, 2010, 10:57:14 PM
Quote from: "BlondeGrl"
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
Since we are discussing the catheter and bladder, I think it mentioned him taking Flomax.  Or, was it on the autopsy report of drugs that were found in the room?  

Did it say anything in regards to the prostate?   I looked over the report, but a lot of it was over my head (lol) as to the medical terms and all.
flomax is used to relax the muscles of the prostate and bladder to help someone like MJ who had an enlarged prostate to go more easily.  The problem with an enlarged prostate is that it makes urinating difficult and often you have to go many times because you can not empty your bladder fully.  The condom catheter, I believe, was used in order to collect MJ's urine in the container in order to keep track of the amount of fluid he was losing....remember, he was being treated for dehydration that night.  A condom catheter allowed easy peeing into a bottle with minimal embarrassment (he wouldn't have to pull out his whole penis, just the tube that comes off the end of the catheter) and because he was trying to sleep, he would not have to leave the bed a million times to relieve himself like people who suffer from enlarged prostate have to do.  MJ did not have incontinence.  He had urine retention which is evident in the distended bladder and the more than 2 cups of urine in his bladder at autopsy.  (for someone who has a normal prostate, one that is not pushing and blocking the urethra, that amount of urine would have been released during the time of death when the muscles relax)

is it even possible to go through weeks of intense rehearsal routines with a condition like that? does the medication make that possible?
I'm sure it's possible, people function in society all the time with enlarged prostates, that medication makes it easier to empty the bladder fully so that the time between urination's isn't so frequent.  I'm sure he could do the rehearsals with this condition, it's the lung condition that concerns me.  Some people have said MJ had an oxygen tank off to the side that he would use between breaks and if you notice, they never show a rehearsal straight through on TII movie.  I think MJ could have pulled of 10 concerts, I think it would have been hard, but 50!  That is too much for a healthy 50 year old.  Let's see what Madonna would say about that!  Someone also mentioned on here that MJ spoke to the concert promoter days before he died about nixing the 50 concert idea and doing one big huge concert that would be televised in stadiums and movie theaters around the world simutaniously and then the DVD and CD of music from it would go on sale...funny how they said no and then he died!

I have been told the same thing about there being oxygen tanks either on the side or behind the stage. Do you all remember after he first "died" the media making a big deal about oxygen tanks being in the house and in his bedroom. Even the chef said she noticed Murray carrying them up the stairs. Are any oxygen tanks mentioned on the police report? I didn't see them mentioned in the autopsy report either when it described the bedroom.
yes, there is mention of a green oxygen tank being on scene in the autopsy report with a mask attached to it and when they checked it out a couple days later it was found to be empty.  So it was one of the ones he (Murray) would have taken down in the morning presumably to be picked up and refilled.  MJ's lungs were in bad shape and his lung capacity was greatly diminished.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: BlondeGrl on February 15, 2010, 11:23:03 PM
I've been doing a lot of research on Propofol and this is interesting...do you remember how someone said in the beginning of all of this that Murray had been giving Michael Propofol for about 6 weeks prior to his death? Well, just about every "symptom" that people who were actually on the set of This Is It said Michael was displaying can be attributed to Propofol use:

    * Confusion
    * Easy fatigue
    * Lethargy
    * Shortness of breath
    * Sleepiness
    * Nausea
    * Chills/Shivering
    * Wheezing
    * Coughing
    * Anxiety
    * Vomiting
    * Dehydration
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: bec on February 16, 2010, 02:01:39 AM
Quote from: "BlondeGrl"
I've been doing a lot of research on Propofol and this is interesting...do you remember how someone said in the beginning of all of this that Murray had been giving Michael Propofol for about 6 weeks prior to his death? Well, just about every "symptom" that people who were actually on the set of This Is It said Michael was displaying can be attributed to Propofol use:

    * Confusion
    * Easy fatigue
    * Lethargy
    * Shortness of breath
    * Sleepiness
    * Nausea
    * Chills/Shivering
    * Wheezing
    * Coughing
    * Anxiety
    * Vomiting
    * Dehydration

Yes and TII showed none of those symptoms. If anything it showed the exact opposite.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: alovesmichael on February 16, 2010, 02:11:25 AM
Quote from: "Hoaxornot"
Brian Oxman mentioned on June 25th in an interview that Michael had broken his leg ... any leg fracture mentioned in the autopsy?

What is weird is that one of the dancers mentioned that Michael say "I did not sleep again last night".... was he not injected with propofol every night?

The thing is that Propofol does not make you sleep it just knocks you out. It wouldn't make you feel rested when you "woke up" again.

@mykidsmum. A question about Michael's enlarged prostate. You said that the urine in his bladder would have been released when he died because the muscles relax. Would that be the same case if given an anaesthetic, such as propofol, since it relaxes the muscles too? I know it's a silly thought, but are anaestethics ever given to people suffering from an enlarged prostate (in order for them to empty the bladder)? Just thinking about why Michael would want propofol since it doesn't really help you to sleep...
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: the arabian nights on February 16, 2010, 03:31:20 AM
i have mentioned in another thread a report about mikes ear that he had corrective surgery and as a result his ear was pointy and that is the pointy ear that you see in the ambulance photo.

i was thinking...

was there any mention of his ear in the AR?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: the arabian nights on February 16, 2010, 03:32:20 AM
i have not read the AR -- sorry

but the marks behind both ears - could this be a face lift - because i dont think mike had a facelift
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: kdkennedy74 on February 16, 2010, 07:24:13 AM
I am another medical transcriptionist here and after reading this I have found many things that make me question the validity of this:

1.  If Michael's lungs were in the condition stated in the AR then he would have easily became short of breath and not able to easily do the routines that we were shown on TII. I don't recall them ever showing us in the movie him becoming extremely winded and many of the dancers have commented about how he was able to out dance them at age 50 and they were only in their 20's.

2.  I don't recall any mention of the scalp scars created from the Pepsi burns.

3.  No mention of previous skeletal injuries such as the broken leg from years ago.  There should have been evidence noted of those injuries.

4.  It states that he was UNshaven yet states no evidence of a beard or mustache. Now this could easily be a misinterpretation on my part because I would assume that unshaven would mean that atleast a minimal beard and/or mustache would be present.

5.  I do not recall any mention of the scars on his face.  He had an obvious scar on the left side of his face by his lip that we have all mentioned when trying to determine whether or not O2 MJ was the real MJ.

6.  This one is a big one for me and probably one of the things that struck me the oddest. After looking at the prescription pages taking note of the filled dates, number of pills prescribed vs number of pills remaining, and then looking at the prescription instructions, it appears to me that Michael was compliant with the majority of his meds so therefore why were NO other medications found in his system other than what Murray has admitted to giving to him.  Even if there wasn't any pill evidence in his stomach there should have been evidence in the toxicology report of these meds.  

7.  Last but not least, and this is probably not even a big deal but one I found odd, is that on the last pages when the person went to FL to gather hair samples, he/she states that the casket is yellow with blue lining.  I'm sorry but IMO there is a huge difference between YELLOW and GOLD.  The only time I have ever heard gold referred to as yellow is in talking about jewelry and then it is either yellow gold or white gold not just yellow or white.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: the arabian nights on February 16, 2010, 07:30:50 AM
Quote from: "kdkennedy74"
I am another medical transcriptionist here and after reading this I have found many things that make me question the validity of this:

1.  If Michael's lungs were in the condition stated in the AR then he would have easily became short of breath and not able to easily do the routines that we were shown on TII. I don't recall them ever showing us in the movie him becoming extremely winded and many of the dancers have commented about how he was able to out dance them at age 50 and they were only in their 20's.

2.  I don't recall any mention of the scalp scars created from the Pepsi burns.

3.  No mention of previous skeletal injuries such as the broken leg from years ago.  There should have been evidence noted of those injuries.

4.  It states that he was UNshaven yet states no evidence of a beard or mustache. Now this could easily be a misinterpretation on my part because I would assume that unshaven would mean that atleast a minimal beard and/or mustache would be present.

5.  I do not recall any mention of the scars on his face.  He had an obvious scar on the left side of his face by his lip that we have all mentioned when trying to determine whether or not O2 MJ was the real MJ.

6.  This one is a big one for me and probably one of the things that struck me the oddest. After looking at the prescription pages taking note of the filled dates, number of pills prescribed vs number of pills remaining, and then looking at the prescription instructions, it appears to me that Michael was compliant with the majority of his meds so therefore why were NO other medications found in his system other than what Murray has admitted to giving to him.  Even if there wasn't any pill evidence in his stomach there should have been evidence in the toxicology report of these meds.  

7.  Last but not least, and this is probably not even a big deal but one I found odd, is that on the last pages when the person went to FL to gather hair samples, he/she states that the casket is yellow with blue lining.  I'm sorry but IMO there is a huge difference between YELLOW and GOLD.  The only time I have ever heard gold referred to as yellow is in talking about jewelry and then it is either yellow gold or white gold not just yellow or white.
very interesting,
what do you think about the differences in the seals on the documents
and was there any mention of his ears, corrective surgery?
thanks
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mjjveritas on February 16, 2010, 08:30:54 AM
kdkennedy74, Your last point in your post about the colors. Do you know whether the person describing the color of the casket was male or female? It's just that in my experience, in general, males don't seem to be as specific about color classifications. If something is Blue, my husband will say it's Blue when in fact it could be Royal Blue, Light Blue, Mariner Blue or Chinese Blue. Some men seem to just give approximations when it comes to colors.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: kdkennedy74 on February 16, 2010, 09:10:44 AM
I took into consideration that this could have been a male and I agree with you that men are generally not as specific with color, especially when it comes to the primary colors.  However, with that being said, most men that I have met would still refer to something that bright and shining as gold. I could possibly see someone saying bronze, or even brown, if there was condensation covering it from the refrigeration so I even went as far as to ask several people, male and female of various ages, after reading this what color they thought the casket was and every single one of them said gold.  

I didn't really take much note of the seal although I do find it odd that they are using an older one.  As far as the diagram of the markings of the body, there are no notations on either the frontal or posterior view of there being any scarring behind the ears.  

Another thing that I did note is that on page 1 it states that fingerprints were taken but yet they were not used in the identification process just his DL.  I find that to be almost preposterous considering that this was a man who had numerous impersonators that have admittedly had surgery to look like him. IMO, with this knowlege, they should have used his fingerprints for ID especially given the fact that we all know they are on file.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mjjveritas on February 16, 2010, 09:44:38 AM
kdkennedy74, I agree with you regarding the fingerprints. It is nonsense that fingerprints wouldn't be one of the primary sources of confirming/identifying a deceased person, especially when the authorities would know that they had MJ's fingerprints on file. Also with the knowledge that MJ had many impersonators, it would be all the more important to use scientific means to confirm identity not an old Driver's License ID.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on February 16, 2010, 10:09:56 AM
Also, the fact they use dental records to ID someone....but the AR showed variences in his teeth....
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 16, 2010, 03:23:34 PM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
i have mentioned in another thread a report about mikes ear that he had corrective surgery and as a result his ear was pointy and that is the pointy ear that you see in the ambulance photo.

i was thinking...

was there any mention of his ear in the AR?
I am not too sure about that. At the TII videos the ear looks quite normal.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 16, 2010, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
i have not read the AR -- sorry

but the marks behind both ears - could this be a face lift - because i dont think mike had a facelift
Could be surgery to the (inner) ears as well.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 16, 2010, 03:38:42 PM
Quote from: "kdkennedy74"
2.  I don't recall any mention of the scalp scars created from the Pepsi burns.
There is however a drawing at the back of the head, in the drawing where all markings are indicated. Also, the shape of the scar may have been altered, since he had reconstructive surgery on it.
Quote from: "kdkennedy74"
3.  No mention of previous skeletal injuries such as the broken leg from years ago.  There should have been evidence noted of those injuries.
I am not too sure if it was really a broken leg. He had a scar on his right shin from a bad infection, which the report does mention. He also has had a spiderbite on his left foot, the latter which may have been falsely mistaken for a broken foot.
Quote from: "kdkennedy74"
4.  It states that he was UNshaven yet states no evidence of a beard or mustache. Now this could easily be a misinterpretation on my part because I would assume that unshaven would mean that atleast a minimal beard and/or mustache would be present.
I find it totally logical and understandable, no mystery there at all. Unshaven means stubbles, beard or mustache are longer facial hair.

Quote from: "kdkennedy74"
6.  This one is a big one for me and probably one of the things that struck me the oddest. After looking at the prescription pages taking note of the filled dates, number of pills prescribed vs number of pills remaining, and then looking at the prescription instructions, it appears to me that Michael was compliant with the majority of his meds so therefore why were NO other medications found in his system other than what Murray has admitted to giving to him.  Even if there wasn't any pill evidence in his stomach there should have been evidence in the toxicology report of these meds.
Most people have prescribed medication in their homes that they do not continuously use or is overdate, nothing strange about that. In addition, for toxicology a standard range of substances is tested for, not ALL known medications and poisons.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mykidsmum on February 16, 2010, 05:45:22 PM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Quote from: "Hoaxornot"
Brian Oxman mentioned on June 25th in an interview that Michael had broken his leg ... any leg fracture mentioned in the autopsy?

What is weird is that one of the dancers mentioned that Michael say "I did not sleep again last night".... was he not injected with propofol every night?

The thing is that Propofol does not make you sleep it just knocks you out. It wouldn't make you feel rested when you "woke up" again.

@mykidsmum. A question about Michael's enlarged prostate. You said that the urine in his bladder would have been released when he died because the muscles relax. Would that be the same case if given an anaesthetic, such as propofol, since it relaxes the muscles too? I know it's a silly thought, but are anaesthetics ever given to people suffering from an enlarged prostate (in order for them to empty the bladder)? Just thinking about why Michael would want propofol since it doesn't really help you to sleep...
no, you do not lose control of your bladder or other muscles that you don't think about, (heart, lungs) it does depress the lungs and heart causing build up of carbon dioxide which then causes the heart to stop.  People undergoing long surgery (2 or 3 hours) have a catheter to prevent bladder distention and discomfort.  Out patient surgery usually doesn't need a cath.  Some people assumed this is why MJ was wearing the condom catheter, so he wouldn't wet the bed while he was out, that doesn't happen and the time he was going to be out wasn't long enough to have a catheter, so this is why I think he was using it to collect his urine and monitor for dehydration, and to keep from getting out of the bed so frequently and for modesty in front of the doctor.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: MeandMyShadow on February 16, 2010, 11:15:36 PM
Quote from: "Hoaxornot"
I cannot find the quote that I was looking for but here is one by Kenny Ortega

Jackson told Ortega he had issues with insomnia.

"He would say to me, 'I didn't sleep much last night,'" Ortega said. "If he got inspired, then he would work on a song, work on a lyric. He would go downstairs and work in his room and work on a dance step or call me on the phone at 3 o'clock."

if he was using propofol he would be rested as I heard it gives you the best rest you ever had

I am still looking for the other quote


I thought it didn't give you REM sleep, therefore, you would not be rested.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on February 17, 2010, 10:04:57 AM
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
Quote from: "Hoaxornot"
I cannot find the quote that I was looking for but here is one by Kenny Ortega

Jackson told Ortega he had issues with insomnia.

"He would say to me, 'I didn't sleep much last night,'" Ortega said. "If he got inspired, then he would work on a song, work on a lyric. He would go downstairs and work in his room and work on a dance step or call me on the phone at 3 o'clock."

if he was using propofol he would be rested as I heard it gives you the best rest you ever had

I am still looking for the other quote


I thought it didn't give you REM sleep, therefore, you would not be rested.

the thing with anaesthesia is: it just knocks you out. you don't toss and turn before you go to sleep, you lay there, the stuff enters your body and you go out like a switch. plus, it totally relaxes everything, which is why you cannot help your eyes closing and you can't move anymore at some point (takes only a few seconds, really). they tell you to count down from 100, and you get to 96 before you knock out. very quick. i've had long- and short term-anaesthesia before (like they only knocked me out for 20 min) and when you wake up, you feel like you've slept 3 days, no matter how long you're put under. and you can't figure anyway how long it was. you're gone one minute and wake up the next, that's what it feels like. so rem-sleep really isn't necessary to feel relaxed.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 17, 2010, 01:31:12 PM
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
Quote from: "Hoaxornot"
I cannot find the quote that I was looking for but here is one by Kenny Ortega

Jackson told Ortega he had issues with insomnia.

"He would say to me, 'I didn't sleep much last night,'" Ortega said. "If he got inspired, then he would work on a song, work on a lyric. He would go downstairs and work in his room and work on a dance step or call me on the phone at 3 o'clock."

if he was using propofol he would be rested as I heard it gives you the best rest you ever had

I am still looking for the other quote


I thought it didn't give you REM sleep, therefore, you would not be rested.

the thing with anaesthesia is: it just knocks you out. you don't toss and turn before you go to sleep, you lay there, the stuff enters your body and you go out like a switch. plus, it totally relaxes everything, which is why you cannot help your eyes closing and you can't move anymore at some point (takes only a few seconds, really). they tell you to count down from 100, and you get to 96 before you knock out. very quick. i've had long- and short term-anaesthesia before (like they only knocked me out for 20 min) and when you wake up, you feel like you've slept 3 days, no matter how long you're put under. and you can't figure anyway how long it was. you're gone one minute and wake up the next, that's what it feels like. so rem-sleep really isn't necessary to feel relaxed.
There is a difference between resting and relaxing. With REM sleep, your body is resting and restoring. REM sleep is essential for your health. Essential in meaning: you will DIE if you do not get regular sleep.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: the arabian nights on February 17, 2010, 04:13:18 PM
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
i have not read the AR -- sorry

but the marks behind both ears - could this be a face lift - because i dont think mike had a facelift
Could be surgery to the (inner) ears as well.
i will try and find the pic
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: the arabian nights on February 17, 2010, 04:14:12 PM
the pointy is post surgery the normal ear is pre - so the articule said - i dont know where i cut and paste the article
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on February 17, 2010, 04:29:47 PM
There is a difference between resting and relaxing. With REM sleep, your body is resting and restoring. REM sleep is essential for your health. Essential in meaning: you will DIE if you do not get regular sleep.[/quote]


which is exactly why anaesthesia is not suitable as a sleeping aid. you feel like you have slept but you haven't. you skip the phases of healthy sleeping, which are necessary, you just knock out.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: the arabian nights on February 17, 2010, 04:32:19 PM
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
There is a difference between resting and relaxing. With REM sleep, your body is resting and restoring. REM sleep is essential for your health. Essential in meaning: you will DIE if you do not get regular sleep.


which is exactly why anaesthesia is not suitable as a sleeping aid. you feel like you have slept but you haven't. you skip the phases of healthy sleeping, which are necessary, you just knock out.[/quote]

i think thats right, i have had alot of surgery and when i have woken up i have  felt awful, zombie
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 17, 2010, 04:50:12 PM
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
here's a vid about michael's 'missing nose', an interview with geraldo and someone who claims that michael had a prosthetic nose (some pics are just tasteless, disregard that, please!). is that even mentioned in the autopsy report, if this was true? i've read through about half of it and some other bits and pieces, but didn't find anything about an 'absent nosetip' or the likes yet. i figure that would be in there...?

anyway, towards the end of it, there is a pic of michael (from the side, at 1:55) where i think i see a scar behind his ear which appears to be quite large. but then, i thought the base of the neck would be more towards the shoulder? or is the base where the skull ends? help, anyone?  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS0oI5Q8Kfc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS0oI5Q8Kfc)

Hmm..  yes i see the scar on the neck here.    :?

And, thing is, Geraldo Riveria.. i thought he was a friend of MJs???  Yet he says he witnessed MJ "take off" his false nose and he just had a band aid over a lump????     Yet the autopsy didnt say he had a prosthetic nose.  It said gauze on the tip and then "nasal structures" UNDERNEATH the skin... so it wasnt a nose that he could take off whenever he felt like it because the structure was underneath the skin.

Hmm..  confusing...

[youtube:3sfrp3yh]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS0oI5Q8Kfc[/youtube:3sfrp3yh]
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 17, 2010, 05:39:54 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
here's a vid about michael's 'missing nose', an interview with geraldo and someone who claims that michael had a prosthetic nose (some pics are just tasteless, disregard that, please!). is that even mentioned in the autopsy report, if this was true? i've read through about half of it and some other bits and pieces, but didn't find anything about an 'absent nosetip' or the likes yet. i figure that would be in there...?

anyway, towards the end of it, there is a pic of michael (from the side, at 1:55) where i think i see a scar behind his ear which appears to be quite large. but then, i thought the base of the neck would be more towards the shoulder? or is the base where the skull ends? help, anyone?  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS0oI5Q8Kfc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS0oI5Q8Kfc)

Hmm..  yes i see the scar on the neck here.    :?

And, thing is, Geraldo Riveria.. i thought he was a friend of MJs???  Yet he says he witnessed MJ "take off" his false nose and he just had a band aid over a lump????     Yet the autopsy didnt say he had a prosthetic nose.  It said gauze on the tip and then "nasal structures" UNDERNEATH the skin... so it wasnt a nose that he could take off whenever he felt like it because the structure was underneath the skin.

Hmm..  confusing...

[youtube:1rmux8uf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS0oI5Q8Kfc[/youtube:1rmux8uf]
Can you point out exactly where in the report it says 'nasal structures'?
It says "The oronasal passages are unobstructed. A bandage is present at the tip of the nose." on page 15
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 17, 2010, 06:13:20 PM
@RAVEN...  page 13  (or 32 on the actual document).. it has a big 13 on the top left.

It says "nasal bones are obscured by overlying cranial and facial structures"    :?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: ASHTANGA on February 18, 2010, 09:34:32 AM
"nasal bones are obscured by overlying cranial and facial structures"  :?:

For me it has to do with the plastic surgery he did on the nose.

But... any doctor here to explain this?  :?


This story that he took and put his nose to me is a joke. Obviously this is not true and the nose of his.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DooDoo on February 18, 2010, 09:41:19 AM
Please don't we start speculating about him having no nose, please ...it's just absurd, he's got a nose. Full stop. End of the story.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 18, 2010, 10:07:56 AM
Quote from: "DooDoo"
Please don't we start speculating about him having no nose, please ...it's just absurd, he's got a nose. Full stop. End of the story.

This is a discussion about the autopsy which we are investigating to see its validity.  This is not a discussion about making judgements on MJs decision to have or not have rhinoplasty.  But the fact is, this is what it says in the autopsy report and i want to know exactly what it means.

Other people have said in interviews he had a prosthetic nose he could take off, others have said this is nonsense and his nose was his... yet in the autopsy it says "nasal and cranial structures".  We have to investigate to find out the truth.

Its a necessary evil to discuss this.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: MissG on February 18, 2010, 11:08:37 AM
I agree.This needs to be discussed from every angle.

 In many pics his nose has a different colour, actually looks like a silicon nose. Is nothing wrong about it and I would not be surprised that a mayor damage happened after surgery, making the cartilage structure to colapse. MJ would not be the first person having an intervention that could may been going wrong. Some people even die after an intervention.
 
Medical negligence of aesthetic doctors is well known for not taking the patient´s psycho in consideration but their money.

This has nothing to do with love for MJ or respect, is a medical condition that needs to be contrasted in order to set some logic in to the autopsy report.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 18, 2010, 12:47:20 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
@RAVEN...  page 13  (or 32 on the actual document).. it has a big 13 on the top left.

It says "nasal bones are obscured by overlying cranial and facial structures"    :?
Ok thanks...this most likely has to do with the plastic surgery. Bonecrafts possibly
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Datroot on February 18, 2010, 12:51:38 PM
So if we are to believe the autopsy report, do we believe MJ is dead?  I can't believe it in light of all the clues we have - so where does this leave the autopsy report? :?:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 18, 2010, 12:53:09 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
I agree.This needs to be discussed from every angle.

 In many pics his nose has a different colour, actually looks like a silicon nose. Is nothing wrong about it and I would not be surprised that a mayor damage happened after surgery, making the cartilage structure to colapse. MJ would not be the first person having an intervention that could may been going wrong. Some people even die after an intervention.
 
Medical negligence of aesthetic doctors is well known for not taking the patient´s psycho in consideration but their money.

This has nothing to do with love for MJ or respect, is a medical condition that needs to be contrasted in order to set some logic in to the autopsy report.
The different color may be due to vitiligo discoloration. Patches of skin, especially after plastic surgery may therefore get different colors.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 18, 2010, 01:02:15 PM
Quote from: "Datroot"
So if we are to believe the autopsy report, do we believe MJ is dead?  I can't believe it in light of all the clues we have - so where does this leave the autopsy report? :?:
I find this difficult to fit into the "alive" picture Datroot.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: lynnandsofee on February 18, 2010, 03:25:32 PM
I would like to question the part in the report where they collect hair samples from him in the yellow casket with the blue lining.  Latoya was there, however it says the body was wrapped in white towels and sheets, and the only thing that was visable was his hands and top of his head.   :roll:  :roll:  What where they hiding?  why wrap him in towels and sheets?  No one could see his face ??????
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 18, 2010, 03:29:12 PM
Quote from: "lynnandsofee"
I would like to question the part in the report where they collect hair samples from him in the yellow casket with the blue lining.  Latoya was there, however it says the body was wrapped in white towels and sheets, and the only thing that was visable was his hands and top of his head.   :roll:  :roll:  What where they hiding?  why wrap him in towels and sheets?  No one could see his face ??????

Out of respect?  Isnt it custom to cover a corpses head and face with a sheet?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mjj29081958 on February 18, 2010, 03:38:41 PM
Quote from: "Datroot"
So if we are to believe the autopsy report, do we believe MJ is dead?  I can't believe it in light of all the clues we have - so where does this leave the autopsy report? :?:

Well Datroot, I see this issue this way. There's a fact: an autopsy report has been released, we cannot deny this fact, that just happened and it's right there, so to me is worth to take a look and analize it, isn't it?.
 
Personally I don't give any name to this patient/body, I'm just focussing in its content, trying to dismiss it.  :D
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on February 18, 2010, 05:07:21 PM
Quote from: "DooDoo"
Please don't we start speculating about him having no nose, please ...it's just absurd, he's got a nose. Full stop. End of the story.

sorry if this went off topic, the only reason i put the link here was for the picture where you can see a scar behind the ear. i originally replied to another post mentioning the scars. it was not my intention to start a nose related discussion.

i guess that shows how tabloids are working...maybe geraldo was just 'playing around', too. who knows. he can be like that, i think, pretending he's going for it just to expose more of the garbage people are producing.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: BlondeGrl on February 18, 2010, 05:16:46 PM
I read somewhere that there were two small masses found and listed in the autopsy report. I believe one was on the liver and I can't remember where the other was. Can someone please tell me which page(s) it mentions the masses on in the report?

Thanks
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: lynnandsofee on February 18, 2010, 08:10:43 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "lynnandsofee"
I would like to question the part in the report where they collect hair samples from him in the yellow casket with the blue lining.  Latoya was there, however it says the body was wrapped in white towels and sheets, and the only thing that was visable was his hands and top of his head.   :roll:  :roll:  What where they hiding?  why wrap him in towels and sheets?  No one could see his face ??????

Out of respect?  Isnt it custom to cover a corpses head and face with a sheet?


Yes, I argee if you are laying on a gurny, but never wrapped in a coffin?  I think they were trying on purpose to hide his face.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Integrity on February 18, 2010, 08:38:40 PM
SORRY BUT I MIGHT HAVE NEVER MET MICHAEL JACKSON BUT MY HEART & GUT TELLS ME HE WAS NOT A SMOKER!!!!
THAT IS NOT HIS BODY!
THE PARAMEDICS DESCRIBED THE PERSON THEY FOUND AS A WHITE SICKLY OLD BOLD HEADED MAN AND THAT IS WHAT THEY WROTE DOWN ON THERE REPORT!!!
THEY ALSO REPORTED THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW THAT IT WAS MICHAEL JACKSON!!!
PLEASE TELL ME WHAT DOES THAT MEAN!! IT MEANS THAT IS WAS NOT MICHAEL JACKSON !!!
BUT NOW IF THE PHOTO HAS BEEN CONFIRMED AS FAKE AS WE ALL KNEW THAN THE PARAMEDICS
HAD TO BE FAKE TO!!
SOME ONE ON YOU TUBE WENT TO DR. MURRAY'S OFFICE AND IT WAS AN ABANDONED BUILDING!!!
LIKE I SAID "THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOSE" AND THE WIZ WAS JUST A WEAK FRIGHTENED OLD MAN
WHO HAD NO COURAGE, BRAINS OR HEART!!!!
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: ILuvUMoreMJ on February 19, 2010, 07:27:03 AM
What puzzles me is that if this is a fake report, why would MJ want it to say things about his nose having "structures"?   Or  that he was bald and tattooed?  Or that he had colon polyps and an enlarged prostate?  I just can't imagine he'd go there even if he wanted it to look realistic.  So is it a real report and a body double?  I have my doubts there as well because the person wasn't terminal or it would have stated that.  Someone help me out with other theories please!
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: alovesmichael on February 19, 2010, 08:01:51 AM
Quote from: "ILuvUMoreMJ"
What puzzles me is that if this is a fake report, why would MJ want it to say things about his nose having "structures"?   Or  that he was bald and tattooed?  Or that he had colon polyps and an enlarged prostate?  I just can't imagine he'd go there even if he wanted it to look realistic.  So is it a real report and a body double?  I have my doubts there as well because the person wasn't terminal or it would have stated that.  Someone help me out with other theories please!

That's what's very strange to me too and I have a hard time believing that it's someone else's body... I mean the bottle of pee and all that stuff? But what also puzzles me are the circumstances around this whole "death" and how people have been behaving (e.g. the family). However, Katherine claiming someone was involved in her son's death is very worrying to me. She just does not seem like the kind of woman that would lie and not say things if she doesn't really mean them  :? . If Michael really is gone I feel kind of disgusted because some things just seems like a joke and Michael does not deserve that.
Title: Re: Holy Cr#p! MJ smoked!!!!!!!!
Post by: missy_missy on February 19, 2010, 10:40:43 AM
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
Quote from: "FactFinderMJ"
dont know if he smokes but he has a cig in this pic!

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/answers ... 52_300.jpg (http://images2.fanpop.com/image/answers/215000/215707_1258632195590.37res_452_300.jpg)

He was only posing with a cigarette, it's not lit  ;)


doesnt look like mj to me, looks like one of his body doubles in this pic
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: voiceforthesilent on February 19, 2010, 11:04:23 AM
Quote from: "ILuvUMoreMJ"
What puzzles me is that if this is a fake report, why would MJ want it to say things about his nose having "structures"?   Or  that he was bald and tattooed?  Or that he had colon polyps and an enlarged prostate?  I just can't imagine he'd go there even if he wanted it to look realistic.  So is it a real report and a body double?  I have my doubts there as well because the person wasn't terminal or it would have stated that.  Someone help me out with other theories please!


Maybe he was just trying to make it very obvious without actually saying it.  IDK. I have no definitive answer but I doubt the report was real. If it belonged to someone else unknown to MJ or the Coroner, couldn't that family could come back and sue? There are too many "conflicting" stories being said of his health by family, friends, coroner, etc. If he had these health issues I think some of them would have been caught when he did that physical and he may not have been insurable, right?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on February 19, 2010, 11:24:24 AM
Quote from: "voiceforthesilent"
Quote from: "ILuvUMoreMJ"
What puzzles me is that if this is a fake report, why would MJ want it to say things about his nose having "structures"?   Or  that he was bald and tattooed?  Or that he had colon polyps and an enlarged prostate?  I just can't imagine he'd go there even if he wanted it to look realistic.  So is it a real report and a body double?  I have my doubts there as well because the person wasn't terminal or it would have stated that.  Someone help me out with other theories please!


Maybe he was just trying to make it very obvious without actually saying it.  IDK. I have no definitive answer but I doubt the report was real. If it belonged to someone else unknown to MJ or the Coroner, couldn't that family could come back and sue? There are too many "conflicting" stories being said of his health by family, friends, coroner, etc. If he had these health issues I think some of them would have been caught when he did that physical and he may not have been insurable, right?

i really think this supports the '2 bodies arriving at the hospital'-theory. all the outside marks (nose, scars, discolorations etc.) could have been dictated, shown in person etc. especially considering that the report bluntly states 'the decedent had vitiligo'. isn't that something that has to be diagnosed? can you say that just looking at a person's skin who does not really show too much of it anymore, apart from being pale? then you just state 'pale skin' but not 'vitiligo'. i know people who have blotches on their skin (also large ones that look like some blotches shown in mj-pics) and definitely don't have vitiligo.

the guy who went through the autopsy ('michael joseph jackson', not 'michael joe jackson', which is the legal name; plus he was 2 inches taller than mj)  might thus be the one the paramedics described. then you have the poor quality of those docs. with nowadays' technology and considering a high-profile case like this, i'm wondering why this document looks like it's been filled out with a typewriter and why there are drawings and scribbles like a five-year old got to play with it...('make a circle where you see a mark or scar on michael'). the handwriting is almost illegible, don't they have to write in a fashion where the next one working on the case can at least read what the other found out?
i would also think that those kind of documents would be digital by now, or at least digitally 'remastered' (like including digital photos instead or at least typing in what was handwritten before), before publishing it. i have the impression that this is way against the usual 'outfit' of those kind of documents. like someone 'played coroner' using some outdated forms and seals.

y'all remember playing 'post office' as kids? this is what this autopsy report reminds me of.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 19, 2010, 11:51:59 AM
His name is Michael Joseph Jackson, which is information that came from himself.
Like I posted before, the Joe/Joseph issue is not relevant. It often happens that on official documents, even on death certificates, the name is misspelled or more often, spelled the way the decedent was known or used to call himself.
However the real official name remains the one on the brithcertificate.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: the arabian nights on February 19, 2010, 11:56:41 AM
Quote from: "Raven"
His name is Michael Joseph Jackson, which is information that came from himself.
Like I posted before, the Joe/Joseph issue is not relevant. It often happens that on official documents, even on death certificates, the name is misspelled or more often, spelled the way the decedent was known or used to call himself.
However the real official name remains the one on the brithcertificate.
the na mething is not a clue

slight variations do not matter
i agree
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: cawobeth on February 19, 2010, 11:34:19 PM
The best part of this report is the blank pages; every other page  :roll:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: word on February 20, 2010, 09:23:21 AM
Damn this autopsy report,its not the real one,and real Michael Jackson fans KNOW Michael Jackson never smoked.He wore a damn facial mask because he complained of pollution in the air.There is indeed an autopsy report ,however this one aint it. :twisted:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: the arabian nights on February 20, 2010, 09:54:08 AM
Quote from: "word"
Damn this autopsy report,its not the real one,and real Michael Jackson fans KNOW Michael Jackson never smoked.He wore a damn facial mask because he complained of pollution in the air.There is indeed an autopsy report ,however this one aint it. :twisted:



who's is it - decoy, the double theory, i am interested

i have been very naughty and i have been lazy and not read the AR  -

i look forward to your thoughts - thanks
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 20, 2010, 01:46:35 PM
Quote from: "word"
Damn this autopsy report,its not the real one,and real Michael Jackson fans KNOW Michael Jackson never smoked.He wore a damn facial mask because he complained of pollution in the air.There is indeed an autopsy report ,however this one aint it. :twisted:

smoking isnt the one and only cause of lung disease!!!   :roll:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mjssoulmate on February 20, 2010, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "lynnandsofee"
I would like to question the part in the report where they collect hair samples from him in the yellow casket with the blue lining.  Latoya was there, however it says the body was wrapped in white towels and sheets, and the only thing that was visable was his hands and top of his head.   :roll:  :roll:  What where they hiding?  why wrap him in towels and sheets?  No one could see his face ??????

Out of respect?  Isnt it custom to cover a corpses head and face with a sheet?


To me the queston is: Why mention it in the first place?  All they needed to mention was that hair samples were collected.  Why mention that the body was covered by sheets and that only the hands and top of head was visible?  Would anyone have asked? It just seems an odd comment to make.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 20, 2010, 03:16:08 PM
What I find odd is that he apparently did not receive any medication for the inflammation of the lungs
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mjboogie on February 20, 2010, 05:48:56 PM
I was thinking that I dont feel that it would matter to MJ about all the negative things in the report as far as his nose being missing or whatever stupid extras they put in the ar . if MJ hoaxed he wanted to make it ridiculous sounding maybe idk to make people believe even more? Actually with all the extra stuff in the report it makes us believe more that he is still here.
ALso as for Mj not wanting to make a fake report like that to the public well I am sure he was well aware over the years people that have made fun of his skin, nose, ect..... that could be it also. :?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Boreas on February 20, 2010, 10:18:47 PM
just sayin that he could have been a social smoker, or did but rarely smoked. like, maybe once a week or a few times.  My aunt smokes, but she goes through 1 pack in 2 months... eh!
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: word on February 20, 2010, 11:45:38 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "word"
Damn this autopsy report,its not the real one,and real Michael Jackson fans KNOW Michael Jackson never smoked.He wore a damn facial mask because he complained of pollution in the air.There is indeed an autopsy report ,however this one aint it. :twisted:

smoking isnt the one and only cause of lung disease!!!   :roll:
 


You're right but some people on this post went as far as calling Michael a in the closet smoker,and that's just not true.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 21, 2010, 04:28:43 AM
It could well have been caused by a viral infection.

If it would have been caused by smoking it would have shown in the report (presence of tar, blackening etc) which it didn't.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on February 21, 2010, 05:36:32 AM
Quote from: "word"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "word"
Damn this autopsy report,its not the real one,and real Michael Jackson fans KNOW Michael Jackson never smoked.He wore a damn facial mask because he complained of pollution in the air.There is indeed an autopsy report ,however this one aint it. :twisted:

smoking isnt the one and only cause of lung disease!!!   :roll:
 


You're right but some people on this post went as far as calling Michael a in the closet smoker,and that's just not true.


speaking of smoking: wasn't there also a marijuana bag found at the scene? who was smoking that? as fas as i know you can trace thc even weeks after comsumption, i don't recall any thc found in the body, think it said '0' or 'none' on this part? why was marijuana found in the room (first mistaken as 'tar heroine' i think)? why have it and not smoke it? was it planted to support the 'junkie' theory? was it murray's even (yeahman, you ol' 'herb doctor'  :lol: ) and he didn't comment on it yet? but that would only discredit him as a doctor and in germany, you would use your license, if it was detected in the body, no matter how long ago, and why would he smoke it in a room with mj sleeping there? and i'm pretty sure that this was a non-smoking household with the kids in there and all. even if mj did smoke once in a while, there was no indication of it in the house (any cigarettes, ashtrays, butts found anywhere?) or was all of that removed by the family before the lapd came in. and did they even search the whole house or just that one room? but then: why care for any of that when you have a lifetime of music to save and a bunch of other important personals? nobody knows what might be missing of that, since the lapd left the crime scene to the family for days to mess with it...  

this might be just another indication that the body in the autopsy was someone else, if there was even an autopsy...all we ever got to see is a questionable document (wrong height, name, seals etc.). and that weird picture of the bedroom.
honestly: does anyone sleep with a package of toothpaste in his bed? what was that for? i don't even have toothpaste anywhere in the house but in the bathroom. only reason to throw it on the bed would be if i was packing it to travel... ;) and his beads (no recent photo without it!) right next to it...? like this is saying: i'm not here anymore, i left my beads, so y'all can think that it was really me on that bed...if it weren't for the beads (why put them in this spot, on the middle of the bed?), nothing would indicate that this was a room that mj stayed in. and if this was the scene 'left as it was', wouldn't the toothpaste and the beads have been on the floor somewhere, if murray indeed pulled mj from the bed to the floor first? and those 'billboards' describing the items?

mj, you forgot your toothpaste!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: *Mo* on February 21, 2010, 10:05:38 AM
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
speaking of smoking: wasn't there also a marijuana bag found at the scene? who was smoking that? as fas as i know you can trace thc even weeks after comsumption, i don't recall any thc found in the body, think it said '0' or 'none' on this part? why was marijuana found in the room (first mistaken as 'tar heroine' i think)? why have it and not smoke it? was it planted to support the 'junkie' theory? was it murray's even (yeahman, you ol' 'herb doctor'  :lol: ) and he didn't comment on it yet? but that would only discredit him as a doctor and in germany, you would use your license, if it was detected in the body, no matter how long ago, and why would he smoke it in a room with mj sleeping there? and i'm pretty sure that this was a non-smoking household with the kids in there and all.

According to Kathy O'Brien, a former mind-controlled sex slave for the gov, they would let slaves take all the drugs they wanted, except marijuana.  Why?  Because marijuana usage made it impossible to mind control them.  It doesn't allow for the compartmentalization of the mind to take place.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 21, 2010, 10:32:07 AM
Good catch on the majiaurana..   it was found in the room but no trace in the autopsy.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 21, 2010, 01:28:26 PM
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
but then: why care for any of that when you have a lifetime of music to save and a bunch of other important personals? nobody knows what might be missing of that, since the lapd left the crime scene to the family for days to mess with it...
Michael must have had a lot of unreleased material, to my knowledge it has never been mentioned who obtained it. Apart from Tommy Mottola, stating some of it could be rightfully SONY's. Which is a bit strange.

Quote from: "tabloidburn"
this might be just another indication that the body in the autopsy was someone else, if there was even an autopsy...all we ever got to see is a questionable document (wrong height, name, seals etc.). and that weird picture of the bedroom.
honestly: does anyone sleep with a package of toothpaste in his bed? what was that for? i don't even have toothpaste anywhere in the house but in the bathroom. only reason to throw it on the bed would be if i was packing it to travel... ;) and his beads (no recent photo without it!) right next to it...? like this is saying: i'm not here anymore, i left my beads, so y'all can think that it was really me on that bed...if it weren't for the beads (why put them in this spot, on the middle of the bed?), nothing would indicate that this was a room that mj stayed in. and if this was the scene 'left as it was', wouldn't the toothpaste and the beads have been on the floor somewhere, if murray indeed pulled mj from the bed to the floor first? and those 'billboards' describing the items?

mj, you forgot your toothpaste!  :mrgreen:
Now that you mention the beads. There were bead impressions on the body's lower back...it's in the AR. Which in itself is strange, should the body be Michael's. Why would he take them off and then lie on top of them...does not make sense
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mjssoulmate on February 21, 2010, 03:25:00 PM
The bead impressions would suggest that Murphy did not administer CPR on the floor, but on the bed?  How long would the impressions stay anyway?  If he was still alive when the ambulance took him to the hospital would the impressions not have faded by then? Do impressions like that stay on dead person? The body wasn't autopsied until the following morning.  Can anyone with knowledge about this sort of thing clarify?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 21, 2010, 03:29:30 PM
Quote from: "mjssoulmate"
The bead impressions would suggest that Murphy did not administer CPR on the floor, but on the bed?  How long would the impressions stay anyway?  If he was still alive when the ambulance took him to the hospital would the impressions not have faded by then? Do impressions like that stay on dead person? The body wasn't autopsied until the following morning.  Can anyone with knowledge about this sort of thing clarify?

In regards to this...  wasnt that picture questioned because that was MJs bed..  and the story now goes that it happened in the Doctors bedroom, and not MJs normal bedroom.
There was a picture of the real doctors bedroom somewhere...

it even said in the autopsy report that MJ was not in his normal bedroom.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 21, 2010, 03:45:25 PM
I cant find the pic of the doctors bed now..  which is annoying but i remember seeing it.

All ive found is a different shot of the other bed:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 21, 2010, 03:50:11 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "mjssoulmate"
The bead impressions would suggest that Murphy did not administer CPR on the floor, but on the bed?  How long would the impressions stay anyway?  If he was still alive when the ambulance took him to the hospital would the impressions not have faded by then? Do impressions like that stay on dead person? The body wasn't autopsied until the following morning.  Can anyone with knowledge about this sort of thing clarify?

In regards to this...  wasnt that picture questioned because that was MJs bed..  and the story now goes that it happened in the Doctors bedroom, and not MJs normal bedroom.
There was a picture of the real doctors bedroom somewhere...

it even said in the autopsy report that MJ was not in his normal bedroom.
Well or the person lay on top of the beads for some time...odd also is that the beads are at the left foot of the bed, hard to get an impression on somebody's lower back that way. In any case, this does link the body in the AR to the bed in this bedroom somehow.

It appears the bed that was in another bedroom, not Michael's usual one. A pic was just posted in another thread with the bed with the beads on it
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 21, 2010, 03:53:22 PM
@Raven..  i know ages ago there was an article in the British press about this.
The pic that the News of the World posted was not the bed MJ was in...  there was another pic of of another bed and now i cant find it.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: *Mo* on February 21, 2010, 04:06:26 PM
Here ya go:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog/FOTODEATHBED.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 21, 2010, 04:26:58 PM
Yes that picture I ment, thanks Mo. Well there you go, how could those beads leave an impression on somebody's lower back. Somehow they must have moved from around MJ's neck to under the AR body's lower back to the left foot of the bed
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: i[MISS]my[KING] on February 21, 2010, 04:35:05 PM
the marijuana was mine. sorry i left it  :oops:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on February 21, 2010, 05:43:51 PM
Quote from: "i[MISS
my[KING]"]the marijuana was mine. sorry i left it  :oops:


 ROFL! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  you just cracked me up sooo hard!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 21, 2010, 05:51:23 PM
Quote from: "Raven"
Yes that picture I ment, thanks Mo. Well there you go, how could those beads leave an impression on somebody's lower back. Somehow they must have moved from around MJ's neck to under the AR body's lower back to the left foot of the bed

No... there is a different one.  If i ever find it i will post it.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on February 21, 2010, 06:40:28 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "Raven"
Yes that picture I ment, thanks Mo. Well there you go, how could those beads leave an impression on somebody's lower back. Somehow they must have moved from around MJ's neck to under the AR body's lower back to the left foot of the bed

No... there is a different one.  If i ever find it i will post it.


who says these are the same beads that were around mj's neck? who says this wasn't staged as well? it just looks ridiculous with the signs pointing out every juice bottle. and that toothpaste still disturbs me. if the beads made an impression on the body and the toothpaste was there with the chain (or if this was the actual picture of an untampered scene at all), where is the 'impression on the body' from the rectangular box? plus, it looks like straight from the market, not a dent in there. lay on a cardboard box and then tell me, it still looks the same when you get up...tabloid trash!
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 21, 2010, 06:45:52 PM
Its a staged photograph...   if MJ did die, he didnt die in that bed in that photo.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on February 21, 2010, 07:37:26 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Its a staged photograph...   if MJ did die, he didnt die in that bed in that photo.


yup, just won't look right to me.

plus: why is there still a dent in the pillow and the matress from him laying there? how can you still see a body impression if that person wasn't in there a minute ago? what kind of matress is it that keeps a dent like that? i wouldn't think that mj's beds were so old that they don't go back into their shape at least a little bit.  
when was this photo taken? who took it? paramedics? staff? what for? why would anyone still be in there after he was taken to the airport...err...hospital? (many thx to jermaine for this hint - i'm starting to like him!)  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mjj29081958 on February 21, 2010, 08:40:33 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
I cant find the pic of the doctors bed now..  which is annoying but I remember seeing it.

If I'm not wrong, this one is Dr. Murray's bed.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mjjveritas on February 21, 2010, 09:41:11 PM
This bed looks like it's in a cupboard. I thought the house was a mansion? :?:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: the arabian nights on February 22, 2010, 05:42:50 AM
but did he sleep there, didnt mike call him and he was requested to the house when he could not sleep, and if cm was night and breakfast duty why did he need a bedroom - there are no personal bits in sight either.

we have been fed this from the news of the world
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 22, 2010, 11:19:49 AM
Quote from: "mjj29081958"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
I cant find the pic of the doctors bed now..  which is annoying but I remember seeing it.

If I'm not wrong, this one is Dr. Murray's bed.

Thats the one!!!!!
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Grenat on February 22, 2010, 01:02:25 PM
I know it's been discussed in the first page but about smoking...and the disease he is supposed to have at his lung...Are you referring to "Multifocal Chronic Interstitial Pnemonitis's thing ?If you are :
If this is then I have two theories that are contradicting each others...
-Indeed he must have known that smoking was bad for his voice and health but there are lot of singers that smoke,and they still can sing beautifully(I know because one of that I follow smoke like hell and his voice is still as pretty as when he was young,he is around 40 now  ;) )
You shouldn't discard a theory "He would never do that ! He knew it was bad ! He said it was bad ! He was a singer" this kind of argument is good but there are exeptions...
-One video-making hoaxer mention in her video about the disease in his lungs and she describe it very well...Did you see her video ? I think that altough I may contradict what I'm saying below,she make good points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub4zCeY85R8

You should look at both possibilities...it's crucial to know the truth
And I believe the autopsy report is fake (even if they probably include true details,it doesn't mean the he is dead,if he is alive he can give any informations about him and his health to the coroner  ;)
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: deepu priyanka on February 22, 2010, 01:14:27 PM
THE ONE INCONSISTENCY IN THE AUTOPSY IS HIS HEIGHT, WHICH THEY SAY IS 5'9.. BUT IN 2003  TRIAL MUGSHOT HIS HEIGHT WAS 5'11.. IF U GUYS SAY HE MUST HAVE SHRUNK  DUE TO AGE   ... WHICH I SAY NO BECAUSE , JUST IN 5 YEARS GAP NO ONE CAN SHRINK 2 INCHES,,, HE WAS JUST 50 WHEN HE DIED.. NOW COMING INTO THE SMOKING THING WHICH WAS MADE UP FOR CONFUSING PEOPLE..
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mjssoulmate on February 22, 2010, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: "deepu priyanka"
THE ONE INCONSISTENCY IN THE AUTOPSY IS HIS HEIGHT, WHICH THEY SAY IS 5'9.. BUT IN 2003  TRIAL MUGSHOT HIS HEIGHT WAS 5'11.. IF U GUYS SAY HE MUST HAVE SHRUNK  DUE TO AGE   ... WHICH I SAY NO BECAUSE , JUST IN 5 YEARS GAP NO ONE CAN SHRINK 2 INCHES,,, HE WAS JUST 50 WHEN HE DIED.. NOW COMING INTO THE SMOKING THING WHICH WAS MADE UP FOR CONFUSING PEOPLE..


I asked two cops about the method of taking height and weight when someone is booked.  Both times I was told that the information is either taken from the driver's licence, or else it's a guesstimate.  They don't actually weigh and measure when the take the mugshot.  (but I was also told that that might not be the case in other counties/departments).  

This still doesn't explain the discrepancy in weight.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mjssoulmate on February 22, 2010, 07:56:19 PM
Quote from: "Grenat"
I know it's been discussed in the first page but about smoking...and the disease he is supposed to have at his lung...Are you referring to "Multifocal Chronic Interstitial Pnemonitis's thing ?If you are :
If this is then I have two theories that are contradicting each others...
-Indeed he must have known that smoking was bad for his voice and health but there are lot of singers that smoke,and they still can sing beautifully(I know because one of that I follow smoke like hell and his voice is still as pretty as when he was young,he is around 40 now  ;) )
You shouldn't discard a theory "He would never do that ! He knew it was bad ! He said it was bad ! He was a singer" this kind of argument is good but there are exeptions...
-One video-making hoaxer mention in her video about the disease in his lungs and she describe it very well...Did you see her video ? I think that altough I may contradict what I'm saying below,she make good points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub4zCeY85R8

You should look at both possibilities...it's crucial to know the truth
And I believe the autopsy report is fake (even if they probably include true details,it doesn't mean the he is dead,if he is alive he can give any informations about him and his health to the coroner  ;)


I don't know about his lower back, but he certainly had visible signs of arthritis in his fingers.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mykidsmum on February 22, 2010, 08:02:16 PM
Quote from: "mjssoulmate"
Quote from: "deepu priyanka"
THE ONE INCONSISTENCY IN THE AUTOPSY IS HIS HEIGHT, WHICH THEY SAY IS 5'9.. BUT IN 2003  TRIAL MUGSHOT HIS HEIGHT WAS 5'11.. IF U GUYS SAY HE MUST HAVE SHRUNK  DUE TO AGE   ... WHICH I SAY NO BECAUSE , JUST IN 5 YEARS GAP NO ONE CAN SHRINK 2 INCHES,,, HE WAS JUST 50 WHEN HE DIED.. NOW COMING INTO THE SMOKING THING WHICH WAS MADE UP FOR CONFUSING PEOPLE..


I asked two cops about the method of taking height and weight when someone is booked.  Both times I was told that the information is either taken from the driver's licence, or else it's a guesstimate.  They don't actually weigh and measure when the take the mugshot.  (but I was also told that that might not be the case in other counties/departments).  

This still doesn't explain the discrepancy in weight.
the two inches comes from his shoes...on the autopsy table, he wasn't wearing any...
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mjssoulmate on February 22, 2010, 08:20:55 PM
Yes, we know that he wasn't wearing shoes on the autopsy table.  I was referring to the difference in weight.   :)
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: 50thstatebeliever on February 23, 2010, 04:26:08 AM
I think I can understand a little bit, how celebs and really famous people can start wanting a very different private life...if the subject of MJ smoking or not smoking causes SUCH a big arguement between fans...imagine how suffocated celebs must feel - having every single act or choice they make in life get scrutinized under the microscope - not just by those working for media, but even by his fans!!!

Let it go!! We all have this "image" of "perfection" that we demand on our best loved celebs...and yes, we are demanding perfection from them by argueing how he or she would not or should not or could not do something in their life...it's their choice..it's their life...a smart choice or bad choice...it's their right, their freedom...let's not mold the one we love into a cast and expect him or her to be this super human...even Michael, was a human in flesh and blood...it's ok if he smoked, or didn't smoke, it doesn't matter...
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: 50thstatebeliever on February 23, 2010, 04:32:09 AM
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Its a staged photograph...   if MJ did die, he didnt die in that bed in that photo.


yup, just won't look right to me.

plus: why is there still a dent in the pillow and the matress from him laying there? how can you still see a body impression if that person wasn't in there a minute ago? what kind of matress is it that keeps a dent like that? i wouldn't think that mj's beds were so old that they don't go back into their shape at least a little bit.  
when was this photo taken? who took it? paramedics? staff? what for? why would anyone still be in there after he was taken to the airport...err...hospital? (many thx to jermaine for this hint - i'm starting to like him!)  :mrgreen:

 The dent you see is in the thick comforter, not the mattress itself. I have a thick comforter on my bed, and it also leaves dents like that. Usually feather comforters do that...just wanted to explain to you...
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on February 23, 2010, 04:46:54 AM
Quote from: "mjssoulmate"
Quote from: "deepu priyanka"
THE ONE INCONSISTENCY IN THE AUTOPSY IS HIS HEIGHT, WHICH THEY SAY IS 5'9.. BUT IN 2003  TRIAL MUGSHOT HIS HEIGHT WAS 5'11.. IF U GUYS SAY HE MUST HAVE SHRUNK  DUE TO AGE   ... WHICH I SAY NO BECAUSE , JUST IN 5 YEARS GAP NO ONE CAN SHRINK 2 INCHES,,, HE WAS JUST 50 WHEN HE DIED.. NOW COMING INTO THE SMOKING THING WHICH WAS MADE UP FOR CONFUSING PEOPLE..


I asked two cops about the method of taking height and weight when someone is booked.  Both times I was told that the information is either taken from the driver's licence, or else it's a guesstimate.  They don't actually weigh and measure when the take the mugshot.  (but I was also told that that might not be the case in other counties/departments).  

This still doesn't explain the discrepancy in weight.

the 2003 mugshot (and his old passports) says 5'9'', the body is 5'11'' (5+1+1=?  ;) ), i think you mixed that up. and i also believe that there is a measuring board of sorts (on the side, you usually stand next to it), when the mugshot is taken, right?

anyway, it's neither possible to shrink or grow that much at that age. a difference of 2 inches (ca. 5 cm in metric system) can also not be a measuring error, even if you just guess the height. you might be one inch off, but not two. if someone working there has such bad eye measurement, they should change jobs.

plus it said 'the body was positively id'd by drivers license' anyway, the drivers license must have said 5'9'', how come that wasn't just copied, but another height was put into the report?

just another '7', people!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on February 23, 2010, 05:02:43 AM
Quote from: "mjjveritas"
This bed looks like it's in a cupboard. I thought the house was a mansion? :?:


that could just be the corner it is in. the rest of the room might still be large. but you notice the phone on the bedside table? phones everywhere but no lines? i'm not buying that.

then, if this is murray's room and it is said that mj was in murray's room, why do the rooms look totally different?

more garbage!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 23, 2010, 05:08:35 AM
I tend to believe that IF he is still alive and IF something is fake, it is the autopsy report. I find it hard to believe they would switch bodies, besides the body as described in the AR is obviously linked to the MJJ residence.

Regarding it's detailledness it is very hard to fit the autopsy report into the "alive" picture. However IF it is forged, for instance because he is under official protection and they needed it all to look real, maybe they used his medical record and lab results to serve as a basis for a forged autopsy report.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: teerockjelli on February 23, 2010, 11:06:36 AM
why I don't believe the AR anymore:

why didn't they list MJ's dark fingernails? that is not something an autopsy should overlook

the pic I saw show MJ with a straight wig... didn't he switch back to curly for the shows?

the AR did not mention BURN marks on the scalp. If he got addicted to painkillers during the healing process, the burns should have been very severe! enough to still notice and note them...

since when do they ID a dead person according to an ID only? IDK...

And differences in the dental records? STOP THE PRESSES LOL
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: sk2001 on February 23, 2010, 04:05:46 PM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Here ya go:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog/FOTODEATHBED.jpg)

 guys if this is the real deal, why did CM say there was no phone in the room and hence he couldnt call earlier. thers clearly a landline-phone in this pic.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 23, 2010, 04:11:49 PM
Found this:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on February 23, 2010, 04:25:23 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Found this:

tabloid trash, doesn't even look like the sketches from the autopsy report. some of the marks are not positioned right, marks on the head not even mentioned. there was something circled in the original on the back of the head ('discoloration'?). not here.  

someone is obviously working on the 'junkie jackson'-image, so murray can get off the hook. why else would he use so much stuff when mj obviously must have had a great tolerance for drugs, especially with all those 'punctures'...? whoever will be the jury, they're still watching the news now...

just a question: was that in a british tabloid by any chance?

i think i'm gonna do a tabloid burn for real and put in on youtube...as soon as the weather gets better.  :mrgreen: makes me sick!
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 23, 2010, 04:31:03 PM
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Found this:

tabloid trash, doesn't even look like the sketches from the autopsy report. some of the marks are not positioned right, marks on the head not even mentioned. there was something circled in the original on the back of the head ('discoloration'?). not here.  

someone is obviously working on the 'junkie jackson'-image, so murray can get off the hook. why else would he use so much stuff when mj obviously must have had a great tolerance for drugs, especially with all those 'punctures'...? whoever will be the jury, they're still watching the news now...

just a question: was that in a british tabloid by any chance?

i think i'm gonna do a tabloid burn for real and put in on youtube...as soon as the weather gets better.  :mrgreen: makes me sick!

Daily Mail i think..  i agree, disrespecful to put in a newspaper...  but i posted it as is useful for a quick glance as i find the autopsy sketchings hard to read.

One thing thats disturbs me are the scars on the wrists...   :?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 23, 2010, 04:40:04 PM
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Found this:

tabloid trash, doesn't even look like the sketches from the autopsy report. some of the marks are not positioned right, marks on the head not even mentioned. there was something circled in the original on the back of the head ('discoloration'?). not here.  

someone is obviously working on the 'junkie jackson'-image, so murray can get off the hook. why else would he use so much stuff when mj obviously must have had a great tolerance for drugs, especially with all those 'punctures'...? whoever will be the jury, they're still watching the news now...

just a question: was that in a british tabloid by any chance?

i think i'm gonna do a tabloid burn for real and put in on youtube...as soon as the weather gets better.  :mrgreen: makes me sick!
Even if his patient was a junkie, that still would not get Murray off the hook.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 23, 2010, 04:40:58 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"

Daily Mail i think..  i agree, disrespecful to put in a newspaper...  but i posted it as is useful for a quick glance as i find the autopsy sketchings hard to read.

One thing thats disturbs me are the scars on the wrists...   :?
The scars on the wrists were tiny...very tiny
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 23, 2010, 04:48:09 PM
@Raven... i hope so.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on February 23, 2010, 04:48:45 PM
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Found this:

tabloid trash, doesn't even look like the sketches from the autopsy report. some of the marks are not positioned right, marks on the head not even mentioned. there was something circled in the original on the back of the head ('discoloration'?). not here.  

someone is obviously working on the 'junkie jackson'-image, so murray can get off the hook. why else would he use so much stuff when mj obviously must have had a great tolerance for drugs, especially with all those 'punctures'...? whoever will be the jury, they're still watching the news now...

just a question: was that in a british tabloid by any chance?

i think i'm gonna do a tabloid burn for real and put in on youtube...as soon as the weather gets better.  :mrgreen: makes me sick!
Even if his patient was a junkie, that still would not get Murray off the hook.


no, but it would help create reasonable doubt within the jurors, i think. hung jury...murray walks. at least after this trial. then the family will go through a civil law suit, more buying time action...this could take at least months, if not years before murray is clearly convicted of anything, that's my impression.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 23, 2010, 04:51:48 PM
Both just 1/8 inch..that's just 3 mm.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on February 23, 2010, 04:53:28 PM
Quote from: "50thstatebeliever"
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Its a staged photograph...   if MJ did die, he didnt die in that bed in that photo.


yup, just won't look right to me.

plus: why is there still a dent in the pillow and the matress from him laying there? how can you still see a body impression if that person wasn't in there a minute ago? what kind of matress is it that keeps a dent like that? i wouldn't think that mj's beds were so old that they don't go back into their shape at least a little bit.  
when was this photo taken? who took it? paramedics? staff? what for? why would anyone still be in there after he was taken to the airport...err...hospital? (many thx to jermaine for this hint - i'm starting to like him!)  :mrgreen:

 The dent you see is in the thick comforter, not the mattress itself. I have a thick comforter on my bed, and it also leaves dents like that. Usually feather comforters do that...just wanted to explain to you...


ok, i have a feather pillow, too. but it still doesn't look like i've just been in there after quite a while. i doubt that a paramedic or any of the family took this pic, so it had to be a few days later, when the lapd searched the house, as evidence. that dent looks like someone was just in there. just looks very odd to me, like someone set it up this way. the legs should then still be 'imprinted' in there, too. or not?
Title: Re: The Autopsy Part 2
Post by: Avijackson on February 23, 2010, 10:22:34 PM
Quote from: "TruthBTold80"
In the autopsy it's states that they identified Michael from his drivers licenses but here is the problem with that. Michael was only wearing a hospital gown there was no clothes with him so were could he have kept this identification? Also sounds to me it was pretty hectic in that house and I don't think grabbing a license was priority #1. So were did they get it from? Also if they did indeed identify him with it that would have meant somebody would have had to gone back to the house to get it while the doctors stand around and wait for it? that don't make any sense so my question of the odd is

WERE DID THEY GET THE LICENSE TO IDENTIFY HIM WITH IF ALL HE HAD WAS A NIGHTGOWN??????????? :?  :?  :?


Were the paramedics who dressed him in a hospital gown, .....??? I do not understand. In an emergency the person leaves the house with the clothes she was wearing (in this case sleepwear). If the driver's license was inside his clothes means ... "Michael was dressed when I arrive at UCLA and dressed him with the robe ....????? <BR>Someone please explain to me .....  :shock: :shock:  :shock:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mykidsmum on February 23, 2010, 10:27:56 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
*Edit by Souza:

OK guys, there are way too many threads about the autopsy report, so I guess this would be a good time to make one thread to get all the autopsy weirdness in one thread. I will lock all the others, because it's too hard to keep up otherwise.

Weird stuff in the autopsy report:

    * Identification through Driver's Licence, but he was brought in without any clothes on except for the hospital cloth. There are fingerprints available of Mike and they said they took fingerprints at the coroner's as well, yet they apparently didn't have a match since they indentified him through the DL
    * Pepsi burn is not mentioned
    * The bump on his wrist is not mentioned
    * The added cleft to the chin is not mentioned
    * The scars behind the ears show otoplasty, I can't remember him having that kind of surgery
    * Lupus is not mentioned
    * 3 different names on the document: Michael Jackson, Michael J. Jackson & Michael Joseph Jackson
    * The seals of the coroner are different
    * The blood samples are labeled "Trauma, Gerschwin" instead of "Jackson, Michael"
    * After 18 hours the blood in the heart was still liquid
    * After 18 hours the body didn't show full Rigor Mortis

OK, that's all I remember for now, please add all the stuff you have found.[/color]


Original post:

So, I read thru the autopsy report and wrote down all the terms I didn't understand.  I knew I would be looking at lung problems, rumors of o2 tanks and alpha 1....I saw he had RESPIRATORY BRONCHIOLITIS!  I started looking up all the terms and this one floored me!  It is caused by smoking!  MJ hid it well!  I have seen many pictures with a square shaped box in his pocket and always wondered (after seeing three pictures, one of MJ holding an unlit cigarette and one of MJ on a phone in a hotel room with a box of cigarettes on the table by the phone, and another picture I posted of him eating his dinner and an ashtray with a butt was in it between his plate of food) since seeing those I'm always looking at shapes in his pockets.  I guess my question is now answered.  Oh MJ!
souza, MJ had scars behind his ears for harvesting ear cartilige for fixing his nose.  you can see how they do it on youtube.  His dr. spoke about it.  It not for pinning down ears.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: voiceforthesilent on February 23, 2010, 11:50:22 PM
Ok - I've been hesitant to read the AR. But I'm looking at it and I have a question. Forgive me if this has been answered.

Maybe I'm just crazy but they said it appeared as though someone had been lying on the left side of the bed. Really, wasn't he technically on the right? It's the left if you are looking at the bed but if you are lying IN the bed it's the right side that he was on. Maybe I'm being too technical?

I'd also like to ask about the 2 inch surgical scar in the right lower quadrant of the abdomen. Wouldn't this indicate appendicitis? Do we know if Michael had surgery on his lower abdomen? I don't recall anything.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/image ... utopsy.pdf (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/09/mj_autopsy.pdf)

Thank you.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on February 24, 2010, 02:40:39 AM
Quote from: "voiceforthesilent"
Ok - I've been hesitant to read the AR. But I'm looking at it and I have a question. Forgive me if this has been answered.

Maybe I'm just crazy but they said it appeared as though someone had been lying on the left side of the bed. Really, wasn't he technically on the right? It's the left if you are looking at the bed but if you are lying IN the bed it's the right side that he was on. Maybe I'm being too technical?

I'd also like to ask about the 2 inch surgical scar in the right lower quadrant of the abdomen. Wouldn't this indicate appendicitis? Do we know if Michael had surgery on his lower abdomen? I don't recall anything.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/image ... utopsy.pdf (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/09/mj_autopsy.pdf)

Thank you.
The appendix of the person described in the AR was still intact
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: starlight30 on February 24, 2010, 08:20:26 AM
I was just wondering. Did he tattoo his eyebrows? What happen to his real eyebrows?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on February 24, 2010, 10:51:31 AM
Quote from: "starlight30"
I was just wondering. Did he tattoo his eyebrows? What happen to his real eyebrows?

maybe they burned off in the pepsi accident and didn't grow back right. remember, he had almost no eyebrows in the original watw-vid? and it keeps you from using a brow pencil all the time. you can still see them after putting make up on. plus: it won't smear or run off. makes sense when you're a performing artist. many women do that, too, saves time.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 28, 2010, 05:43:43 PM
Lieutenant David Smith showed reporters the basement where the singer's body was registered, weighed, photographed and fingerprinted.

He said the corpse was brought in through the same loading bay as all the other victims of trauma or those who have died of unnatural causes.

"This is great equaliser, if you will," he explained.

"I was here when it happened, so I watched the weighing in he was treated basically the same as everybody else, but a little more prestige was granted.

"If anything, just for his own privacy and protection. He was kept very much under lock and key."

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... z0gsRmB0C5 (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2571577/Jacko-body-treated-well.html#ixzz0gsRmB0C5)
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on February 28, 2010, 05:58:59 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Lieutenant David Smith showed reporters the basement where the singer's body was registered, weighed, photographed and fingerprinted.

He said the corpse was brought in through the same loading bay as all the other victims of trauma or those who have died of unnatural causes.

"This is great equaliser, if you will," he explained.

"I was here when it happened, so I watched the weighing in he was treated basically the same as everybody else, but a little more prestige was granted.

"If anything, just for his own privacy and protection. He was kept very much under lock and key."

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... z0gsRmB0C5 (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2571577/Jacko-body-treated-well.html#ixzz0gsRmB0C5)


oh well, here comes 'the sun' again... :roll:

the article quotes the coroner saying: '...the corpse...' from the coroner's words (given they're quoted correctly and this story wasn't made up all the way in the first place), there is no indicatioin which corpse he is talking about. nobody official ever says his name like: mr. jackson was treated here, mr. jackson died here, this is where mr. jackson's autopsy was...it's either family for the official stuff or someone else from the jackson camp mentioning his name. you ask any officials, there will be no comment or directing you somewhere else, mostly the press department. no official statement yet!

press can all be fake! it' s made up, and british tablids, such as 'the sun' are a master at that- producing garbage !
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: katooooooo on March 02, 2010, 11:28:37 AM
I just found the complete autopsy report on internet
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/image ... part.1.pdf (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/09/coroners.report.part.1.pdf)
you can also change the number of part until part.10.pdf. You can see everything....
Also, on the first page part.1.pdf, you can have the report of the policeman june 25...
special things...
Like...
Dr.Murray pulled the decedent onto the bedroom floor...an after made the call...but on 911 call, we can hear that MJ was on the bed....
''Under advisement of dr murray, all medical orders were given by Dr Murray...
Well strange...
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on March 02, 2010, 03:49:29 PM
has somebody by any chance found out about this 'trauma, gershwin'-labeled container? it just sounds too odd to be a name... :?

a trauma occurs usually when you bump into something or when you get hit. gershwin, as we all know, is a famous composer. i just googled 'gershwin+trauma' to see if it might have been sone kind of medical condition instead of a name. one of the results (3rd) is an add-page - 'attention deficit delirium' -announcing a big music event, including bear mccreary, who had 'been in space' for the last nine years...?  :? and above it says: 'tag: george gershwin'...?  :?
i dunno...i think i'm getting lost here... :roll:

be happy to read if anyone found something on 'trauma, gershwin'... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: QuirkyDiana on March 03, 2010, 03:30:57 PM
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
has somebody by any chance found out about this 'trauma, gershwin'-labeled container? it just sounds too odd to be a name... :?

Personally i think this was to protect his specimens given to the lab. I don't really know why they did that. Maybe if it's a celebrity they do not use their real name for labwork for some reason? Also, there is an award that is given at UCLA university called 'The George and Ira Gershwin Lifetime Musical Achievement Award'. There are some parallels between Gershwin's life and MJ's. They are both prominent professional musicians, both had untimely deaths, both are the wealthiest in their section of the music business, both are innovators, both contributed to music in a theatrical sense. I think it was to honor him maybe? If they had to use a different name, they chose that one.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: PrettyYoungTeletubby on March 03, 2010, 03:39:14 PM
Quote from: "QuirkyDiana"
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
has somebody by any chance found out about this 'trauma, gershwin'-labeled container? it just sounds too odd to be a name... :?

Personally i think this was to protect his specimens given to the lab. I don't really know why they did that. Maybe if it's a celebrity they do not use their real name for labwork for some reason? Also, there is an award that is given at UCLA university called 'The George and Ira Gershwin Lifetime Musical Achievement Award'. There are some parallels between Gershwin's life and MJ's. They are both prominent professional musicians, both had untimely deaths, both are the wealthiest in their section of the music business, both are innovators, both contributed to music in a theatrical sense. I think it was to honor him maybe? If they had to use a different name, they chose that one.

Lol didnt know bout that price and found that on google (dated from 2008): UCLA newsletter

 
Lionel Richie to receive Gershwin Award at UCLA's Spring Sing
Competition will feature UCLA's best musical talents, celebrity judges
By Elizabeth Kivowitz April 28, 2008 Category: Campus News, Student Affairs
WHAT:
Legendary singer, songwriter and producer Lionel Richie will receive the 21st annual George and Ira Gershwin Award for lifetime musical achievement at Spring Sing, UCLA's oldest and greatest musical tradition and student competition. Past recipients of the award include Quincy Jones, Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles, James Taylor, Ella Fitzgerald and Natalie Cole.
 
Spring Sing features some of the best musical and comedic talent UCLA has to offer, with performers competing before a panel of celebrity judges. When they were UCLA students, musicians such as Sara Bareilles and members of Maroon 5 had their first opportunity to perform in front of thousands at the event.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: QuirkyDiana on March 03, 2010, 06:50:58 PM
A bit off topic, but what are those marks on MJ's hand? I remember it being really visible on tv.

http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/ ... 60x375.jpg (http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/2009/03/20090305_jackson_560x375.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on March 04, 2010, 01:04:36 PM
Quote from: "QuirkyDiana"
A bit off topic, but what are those marks on MJ's hand? I remember it being really visible on tv.

http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/ ... 60x375.jpg (http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/2009/03/20090305_jackson_560x375.jpg)


maybe just some dirt form the golf cart rail or the one at the steps coming upstage. some fool didn't clean it right or something. or from whatever he touched before coming upstage. it does look superficial to me. not a wound or something.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: QuirkyDiana on March 04, 2010, 08:13:12 PM
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
maybe just some dirt form the golf cart rail or the one at the steps coming upstage. some fool didn't clean it right or something. or from whatever he touched before coming upstage. it does look superficial to me. not a wound or something.

I think it looks like brown staining to me? I still have the footage on video - the tv showed it much clearer. Just curious to know what it is.

The bed issue, the report says he lay left side but that would in fact be the right side.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: QuirkyDiana on March 05, 2010, 11:47:48 AM
Quote from: "QuirkyDiana"
A bit off topic, but what are those marks on MJ's hand? I remember it being really visible on tv.

http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/ ... 60x375.jpg (http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/2009/03/20090305_jackson_560x375.jpg)


Please don't respond to this - it's in the O2 announcement section now.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mykidsmum on March 05, 2010, 07:44:50 PM
ok guys, I know I'm gonna get a lot of grief for posting this picture, but I found the scar on MJ's neck that was reported in the autopsy report.  There is said to be two scars at the base of his neck, one on each side.  Here is the one on the right.  Sorry for those who refuse to see it.  It is right where the diagram of the autopsy says it is.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: word on March 07, 2010, 12:33:09 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
ok guys, I know I'm gonna get a lot of grief for posting this picture, but I found the scar on MJ's neck that was reported in the autopsy report.  There is said to be two scars at the base of his neck, one on each side.  Here is the one on the right.  Sorry for those who refuse to see it.  It is right where the diagram of the autopsy says it is.









Agreed,the autopsy has also staed that he has authoritis in a couple of his fingers.I looked at one of the pictures from the o2 concert and his pinky finger on the left hand indeed showed authoritis had indeed set in,but no one wants to comment on that.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on March 07, 2010, 12:53:07 PM
@word.. can you post a picture of this please?  thankyu
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on March 07, 2010, 04:54:01 PM
I have commented on that pinky finger somewhere here in this forum to a picture that was posted that showed it very well. I'll search for it

EDIT:

Here is the message:

Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "Jacksonology"
Directed By: Michael Jackson. (http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac249/mjdeathhoax/post1.jpg)
:o  What happened to his pinky??
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on March 07, 2010, 05:06:28 PM
Yes..  that denifnitely looks like arthiritis in his little finger.   My mum has the same thing on her fingers and it looks exactly the same.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on March 07, 2010, 05:13:23 PM
It looks horribly painful
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on March 07, 2010, 05:17:24 PM
Im beginning to think that this autopsy report, is sadly, the real deal.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on March 07, 2010, 05:20:02 PM
Well like I mentioned before, they could have used his medical records or the labresults to forge the AR. It would seem the most logical thing to do if it would need to look as authentical as possible. But if they would go asfar as to forge an AR...?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mumof3 on March 07, 2010, 05:21:23 PM
Today is one of those days that I feel i must be mad to think it could be a hoax it is all so complicated how can it all work out alright in the end . The report has so many things that point to that sadly
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: QuirkyDiana on March 07, 2010, 07:21:37 PM
Also would it really be necessary to go into so much detail? Right down to things that would seem unnecessary to make up, such as very mild/minor medical abnormalities that wouldn't have shown up had an autopsy not been performed and would not be needed to convincingly fake a report.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: alovesmichael on March 08, 2010, 12:06:02 PM
Quote from: "QuirkyDiana"
Also would it really be necessary to go into so much detail? Right down to things that would seem unnecessary to make up, such as very mild/minor medical abnormalities that wouldn't have shown up had an autopsy not been performed and would not be needed to convincingly fake a report.

That is true but what is also strange is that they would leave out other more obvious details such as the scar on his cheek and lip... Not saying that the report is real or fake but I just don't see the logic many times.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on March 08, 2010, 12:13:26 PM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Quote from: "QuirkyDiana"
Also would it really be necessary to go into so much detail? Right down to things that would seem unnecessary to make up, such as very mild/minor medical abnormalities that wouldn't have shown up had an autopsy not been performed and would not be needed to convincingly fake a report.

That is true but what is also strange is that they would leave out other more obvious details such as the scar on his cheek and lip... Not saying that the report is real or fake but I just don't see the logic many times.
Yes the scar on his cheek, and the pepsi scar is not mentioned either except for a drawing on the back of the head. He had reconstructive surgery on his scalp, underneath the hair there must have been scars visible of the reconstruction.
He also broke two bones in his foot, is there any mention of that? Must admit I've only read until page 14 so far, screened the rest.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: michaelsupporter on March 08, 2010, 12:21:38 PM
I don't believe that MJ was a smoker. After all, he was featured in Pepsi commercials yet never drank pop. So, it is possible to endorse something without using it.  We mustn't believe or assume everything we see/hear on the surface. At any rate, I am not convinced Michael had the lung problems described in this so-called autopsy report. However, I must tell you that alpha 1antitrypsin disorder is a genetic disorder---it need not be caused by smoking. Also, realize that second hand smoke can be just as damaging....don't ever overlook this possibility if the information that has been presented to us is truly credible.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: i[MISS]my[KING] on March 17, 2010, 12:43:50 PM
WHAT DISTURBS ME THE MOST IS THE BLACK TATTOO ON HIS HEAD NOTED IN THE A.R. BECAUSE I CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT TATTOO IN EVERY PICTURE (RECENT)  :?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Raven on March 17, 2010, 12:52:10 PM
Quote from: "i[MISS
my[KING]"]WHAT DISTURBS ME THE MOST IS THE BLACK TATTOO ON HIS HEAD NOTED IN THE A.R. BECAUSE I CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT TATTOO IN EVERY PICTURE (RECENT)  :?
Well...the thing that bothers me is that the AR also mentions lip tattooing but watching most recent videoclips (e.g. from TII), there are fragments or pics where he has blanc lips without any colouring
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Its her on March 18, 2010, 01:31:15 PM
Does anyone KNOW--not suppose or guess or think----do you know where this report came from?  My experience with autopsy reports in multiple(but not all) states in the U.S., is that these things are PRIVATE. Even as part of a so -called public record of a court hearing, pictures and all details are still not released except to a person having proof of power of attorney or proof otherwise legally privy to medical information of that individual.  I haven't looked at the "report" you all are discussing here, because I assumed from the get-go it was nonsense to stir everyone up.

Who is the person who signed for this report? Do we KNOW, or are we attempting to determine facts from something we can't even trace to a legal source?  I read many here, saying they believe it's real, when all it would take, is to pin down where a specifically authorized person obtained it.

Now, whoever did, can certainly publish it to the ends of the earth if they don't care about the deceased's PRIVACY at all.  

The fact that you are looking at it TELLS you, that it is NOT MJ's. NO one would do that to him, knowing how he is.  THINK. This guy spent mostly THIRTY years, covered head to toe, camouflaging and performing in such a magical way, that NO one realized he was so covered up, even beside others who were only HALF as dressed. To release pictures of his personal anxiety now would be so monstrously insensitive to him, I can't believe even an enemy would have the gall. If it even is a real report, it is not about MJJ!

As we KNOW, no one in MJ's immediate family would have released this for public scrutiny, and no one ELSE would release it without risking their job and certain prosecution, the ONLY reason we have access to this is to make everyone crazy with grief and disturbance. Or, OK,  :lol:  8-) , to just keep people talking, and keep the name of MJ on everyone's lips ---for better or worse---until he comes back. Have you never heard: "Absence makes the heart grow fonder..." (for somebody ELSE!!!!!!)?   I would much rather have his VIRTUES  :D  on my lips, than his faked autopsy report, so I guess I'll go over there, in a minute... :)  :)

Michael Jackson is not dead. It CAN't be his report, #1. I don't care if there is, before the first cut,  a photo of him with every identifier known of, on him! He's really not dead. HE hasn't been autopsied. Don't let yourself get all upset. Go look at some cute pix of him, instead.  ;)

#2, Unless the deceased was slashed in little pieces by many people, most autopsy reports are only 2 or 3 boring pages, depicting lists of chemicals, and/ or evidence of diseases, & weights of various organs, and it is in such technical jargon, no one but a doctor in the particular disciplines listed, would be able to get anything out of it!  This is so morbid, don't you think? Yucky.  :oops: JMHO...
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Tina K. on March 18, 2010, 03:16:35 PM
I see what you mean, BUT : I emailed a couple of times to the coroner in LA, and got the answer, that autopsy reports are made public, as soon as the case is closed. Meaning the investigation, sort of closed. Others have emailed too, and basicly got the same answer. I'm not saying the report is real, but there is no mystery in it being public.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Its her on March 18, 2010, 05:18:40 PM
Quote from: "Tina K."
I see what you mean, BUT : I emailed a couple of times to the coroner in LA, and got the answer, that autopsy reports are made public, as soon as the case is closed. Meaning the investigation, sort of closed. Others have emailed too, and basicly got the same answer. I'm not saying the report is real, but there is no mystery in it being public.

 Whoa. Thank you for the heads up. California is a scary place.
I once had a court order to pick up an autopsy report, and I still had to prove that I was authorized. And, getting the report on the brain was "a whole nother" hoop to jump through. I didn't mind, because the information SHOULD be private. Dang. Michael  Jackson thought of everything---including where to play dead!!!!!!!! :roll:  :lol:


But...it is STILL not him. And the investigation ISN'T over, iS it?  so---- HUH?? :?:  

He is probably enjoying this adventure in some fake person  being "fileted " for our hoaxing pleasure.  :o  And, it is still yucky.  :roll:  Someone said it here already: MJ would not want people wasting their lives on unprofitable, unproductive things.

It's ok to investigate, but when it takes up huge blocks of your time, either crying over his death, or dissecting an autopsy report that isn't even HIM, for hours,  :) it is defeating his purpose.

HAVE we learned anything (from this report)of practical use to this Hoax of his, besides two hours worth of did he or didn't he smoke  :? ?   I'm not saying DON'T, heck-- I keep coming over, briefly.  I am just saying, 'show me the money'.     :idea:  8-)
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Tina K. on March 19, 2010, 01:21:42 AM
Quote from: "Its her"
Quote from: "Tina K."
I see what you mean, BUT : I emailed a couple of times to the coroner in LA, and got the answer, that autopsy reports are made public, as soon as the case is closed. Meaning the investigation, sort of closed. Others have emailed too, and basicly got the same answer. I'm not saying the report is real, but there is no mystery in it being public.

 Whoa. Thank you for the heads up. California is a scary place.
I once had a court order to pick up an autopsy report, and I still had to prove that I was authorized. And, getting the report on the brain was "a whole nother" hoop to jump through. I didn't mind, because the information SHOULD be private. Dang. Michael  Jackson thought of everything---including where to play dead!!!!!!!! :roll:  :lol:


But...it is STILL not him. And the investigation ISN'T over, iS it?  so---- HUH?? :?:  

He is probably enjoying this adventure in some fake person  being "fileted " for our hoaxing pleasure.  :o  And, it is still yucky.  :roll:  Someone said it here already: MJ would not want people wasting their lives on unprofitable, unproductive things.

It's ok to investigate, but when it takes up huge blocks of your time, either crying over his death, or dissecting an autopsy report that isn't even HIM, for hours,  :) it is defeating his purpose.

HAVE we learned anything (from this report)of practical use to this Hoax of his, besides two hours worth of did he or didn't he smoke  :? ?   I'm not saying DON'T, heck-- I keep coming over, briefly.  I am just saying, 'show me the money'.     :idea:  8-)
I ment, case closed, in regarding cause of death.... This was what the coroner told me.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: rwilliams2290 on March 20, 2010, 11:56:08 PM
hi to all here,
i just came across a video on you tube by mjkingoflife dated 3-13-2010 called, michael jackson is alive weird list part1, hope i got that right it was the break of dawn when i wrote that down. anyway, it was the first time i saw this version of the ambulance scene after 9 months of searching everything michael jackson. in the vid there is a shot of michael being brought from the house on a stretcher. his features reminded me of when he performed with his brothers on that 25th show in his honor. the way he appeared on that stretcher and the description the paramedic had just given a few minutes before on the video was absolutely contradictory. it's really like, in your face, with blatant lies. like tell them anything they'll believe it. you know i no longer indulge the tv with my time.  i want to be part of michael's soldiers for  L.O.V.E  but, i need help, it has to accomplish more than a million man march with no results.  as i continue to digest every ounce of knowledge here then where or what to do next?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on March 21, 2010, 01:08:08 PM
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Quote from: "QuirkyDiana"
Also would it really be necessary to go into so much detail? Right down to things that would seem unnecessary to make up, such as very mild/minor medical abnormalities that wouldn't have shown up had an autopsy not been performed and would not be needed to convincingly fake a report.

That is true but what is also strange is that they would leave out other more obvious details such as the scar on his cheek and lip... Not saying that the report is real or fake but I just don't see the logic many times.
Yes the scar on his cheek, and the pepsi scar is not mentioned either except for a drawing on the back of the head. He had reconstructive surgery on his scalp, underneath the hair there must have been scars visible of the reconstruction.
He also broke two bones in his foot, is there any mention of that? Must admit I've only read until page 14 so far, screened the rest.

Here is a video where MJ himslelf confirms he broke two bones in his foot

However..  i question whether this would be detected in an autopsy examination..  he broke these bones years ago.. so by the time of he autopsy they would be fused and healed, right? So look like normal bones.  Years ago i broke a bone in my arm, but now it is healed and i am pretty sure if my arm was x-rayed now it would looke like a normal bone as it is healed.

[youtube:24lfmbr6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoXIrZ-C5EA&feature=related[/youtube:24lfmbr6]
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: the arabian nights on March 21, 2010, 01:11:19 PM
not sure if that is right,i think that there would always be a sign of a break.

programmes decising mummy's thats what i am thinking about.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: lynn on March 28, 2010, 06:54:19 PM
I found this while surfing the internet.
If someone has post this before sorry for a repost of it!

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/image ... utopsy.pdf (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/09/mj_autopsy.pdf)
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mykidsmum on March 28, 2010, 11:09:55 PM
if he broke two little bones in his foot, maybe the coroners were not looking for it specifically.  Especially if they did not have his records on hand.  If you are looking for an old broken bone, you can find it...it usually heals with a little protrusion...but if it is a hairline fracture or on a small bone of the foot...  It wasn't something that "contributed" to his death and there was even part of his hand or arm that was out of the frame of the x-ray as well...if it was something obvious, like a femur or tibia or something big...a rib (they did see that) then I think they would comment.  There were no comments in the autopsy on his feet anyway.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mjj29081958 on March 29, 2010, 04:54:02 AM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
If you are looking for an old broken bone, you can find it...it usually heals with a little protrusion...but if it is a hairline fracture or on a small bone of the foot...

Yes, it's very common that little bones gets broken 'linearly'. Usually they are very difficult to find and see, almost imperceptible, even when you just broke it, so can you imagine a couple of years later?

You know what bothers me the most? The scalp scar. If I'm not wrong, he says in his book Moonwalk that he had second degree burnings, and these never ever heal without leave an scar. They just can't forget something like that.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on March 29, 2010, 08:01:53 AM
Yes.. it is strange they didnt pick up on the scalp scar..  could it be that MJ had so much reconstruction done in that part that the scar was non-detectable?   I dont know...
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: i[MISS]my[KING] on March 29, 2010, 09:03:04 AM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Yes.. it is strange they didnt pick up on the scalp scar..  could it be that MJ had so much reconstruction done in that part that the scar was non-detectable?   I dont know...


is the scar not the same thing that was circled on top of his head ?? in regards to the "fake" autpsy report.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on March 29, 2010, 10:23:43 AM
Quote from: "i[MISS
my[KING]"]
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Yes.. it is strange they didnt pick up on the scalp scar..  could it be that MJ had so much reconstruction done in that part that the scar was non-detectable?   I dont know...


is the scar not the same thing that was circled on top of his head ?? in regards to the "fake" autpsy report.


Umm.. dont know, sorry.  I read the autopsy report a while ago and cant remember that now..  i cant bring myself to read it at the moment.   :cry:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: tabloidburn on March 31, 2010, 07:41:30 PM
i think this is VERY interesting!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWdqn2s44dk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWdqn2s44dk)

one of the commentators said it was not standard procedure to use a form from 2004 in 2009!!!  :shock:  :lol:  
as with everything else having at least two facets in this hoax, it could well mean that this form is still used since 2004 but i doubt that...somehow... :mrgreen:

edit: i also found out that any form has a number somewhere. for the lafd, that should be either 'dl-' or 'f-' with a following 2, 3 or 4 digit number. that identifies the form used. the lafd coroner-homepage with a list of their forms (only descriptions when you click, no real form to see). but no such thing on this autopsy report. inconsistencies everywhere... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: the arabian nights on May 02, 2010, 08:09:54 AM
http://thingsilearnedthisweek.com/video ... r-ass-off/ (http://thingsilearnedthisweek.com/video/kissing-megan-fox-michael-jackson-fake-autopsy-and-dance-your-ass-off/)
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Grace on May 02, 2010, 10:33:18 AM
Quote from: "lynn"
I found this while surfing the internet.
If someone has post this before sorry for a repost of it!

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/image ... utopsy.pdf (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/09/mj_autopsy.pdf)

Oh yes and we love the documentary dearly. Yes we do.
It's a very good and brilliantly written part of the storybook.

E.g. the so very important last page talks about a meeting of LaToya, her male companion (who is it?) and some FL personnel and coroner criminalists in a lobby in order to take some hair samples from a decedent body (= someone who has something to bequeath one day) laying on his back in a yellow casket (jewel box) with blue linen.
In a lobby. Under jurisdiction of the family.

I hope it did not hurt when they "plucked the hairs with gloved hands".
I hope the "male companion" did not have to say "ouch".
 ;)

"Who's brains have been cut into pieces must for sure have lost his mind."
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on May 09, 2010, 10:21:05 AM
Ive found this picture which clearly shows a bald patch on the top of Michaels head.  So no wig.  Looks to be in the same place as his Pepsi burn./
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: alovesmichael on May 09, 2010, 02:08:48 PM
Idk, I still believe Michael wore wigs (especially in recent years) you can tell by the hairline. I'd also assume that Michael has curly hair like his brothers. He might be wearing extensions in this pic which weren't put in properly which could explain the bald patch...
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Hazzely on May 29, 2010, 12:57:41 PM
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=10316 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=10316)
Title: Re: About Michael's autopsy Report
Post by: aliciaa671 on July 05, 2010, 10:19:56 AM
Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"
The MOST CONCLUSIVE evidence that we have about the autopsy being FAKE (although there are dozens and dozens of obvious things) but the BIGGEST thing is that the ENTIRE autopsy report was dictated on 06/26/09 INCLUDING the OPINION on toxicology results.  The ENTIRE DICTATION was typed on 06/30/09 INCLUDING the OPINION on the toxicology results.  THE ENTIRE AUTOPSY REPORT was typed/transcribed on 06/30/09.  The TOXICOLOGY results were NOT EVEN IN until 07/15/09 as dated on the toxicology reports.   You cannot dictate and transcribe toxicology reports that are not in yet.    :lol:  :lol:

Secondly, the coroner seal that appears on the autopsy report expired in 2004 and they changed to a new seal that year.   The TOXICOLOGY reports have the new seal but the blood was drawn on a patient named "Trauma, Gershwen."  The blood tubes must be labeled "Jackson, Michael."  George Gershwen is a famous composer who wrote "It Ain't Necessarily So."  Ira Gershwen is a famous composer who wrote "The Man That Got Away."  

There are dozens of other things that have already been discussed on other links here in the forum.  But nothing about the autopsy is authentic.  It is a good fake, until you look at the dates of dictation, dates of transcription, legal seals, and pay attention to the "legal" details such as how the blood tubes are labeled.    :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:

I'm very late here, but THANK YOU.  :D
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Integrity on July 20, 2010, 08:14:05 AM
How did he pass a 5 hour medical exam if he had lung issues. The doctors need to be called in who passed him with flying colors. Michael also was a health nut! I can not even see him smoking at all or even knowing how to smoke.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: peshtishor on July 20, 2010, 08:19:16 AM
about Michael wearing a wig....of course he did...i recomand you to watch the movie "GOOD HAIR"-CHRIS ROCK...to understand  everything about ..."hair":D
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: MashMike on July 20, 2010, 09:51:14 AM
i don't think that he smoke, during the Prime Time interview he repeated several times that he was very sensitive to smoke, he couldnt stand it, though many years have passed i still don't think that he would smoke
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on July 20, 2010, 07:48:32 PM
The autopsy is fake, no doubt.

There are three different names on the autopsy pages,

1. Michael Joseph Jackson
2. Michael J Jackson
3. Michael Jackson

:roll:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Sangre on July 30, 2010, 03:38:42 AM
I doubt he smoked. During the trial, MJ was in the hospital with pneumonia. Could that have affected his lungs?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on July 30, 2010, 04:55:35 AM
He did NOT smoke.. I can't remember where I saw it but he said the picture was only a joke between his friends. They were making fun of him for being so goodie goodie, so he pretended to smoke.  ;)  :lol:
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Its her on September 20, 2010, 11:14:06 PM
I see that I never did share what debunks the PDF I read, for ME. But I can quickly tell you now what it is that makes it bogus. It may save you some time investigating, needlessly...

And, I  don't need to debunk EVERYthing to discredit ALL of it. It only takes one fly(knowing what they have on their feets :shock: ) in my drink to throw the entire drink out.

1] :o  In the year 2009, I am confident that NO government agency uses a typewriter  :lol: to produce autopsy forms.

2] :o  Equally convinced that not even a COUNTY government agency would still be using official forms which were last revised in 1995. :lol:

3] :o  The amount of pages (over 50) is suspect. Most ARs are no more than 6 pages---including Tox report and brain pathology report. The individual is dead--they list a couple of main contributing illnesses or injuries, and it really doesn't matter that they had evidences of 40 other illnesses or diseases.:?

4] :o On that subject, just ONE lung disease would have prevented MJ from raising three young children, performing grueling rehearsals for a concert tour, or making the movie, TII, which we all investigated---unless someone doesn't think the star of TII was MJ.  :? A hoaxed death requires a hoaxed report to give people something to do. MOST  :mrgreen:   of the given hoax clues are  ;)  ;) obvious OVERKILL.  8-)  8-)

FIFTY pages of an AR is classic :D  :lol:  :lol:  :P  :P  :P  :P  MJ OVERKILL. As MJ would say, "Is THAT scary for ya, Baby"  :?:  :P  :P  :lol:

5] :o There is information in the autopsy report which is NOT autopsy (findings from a dead body)report, and, at times,  :lol:  reads more like all of these, mixed in: a legal brief, a police report, a coroner's report, and specialist consults which are done on living hospital guests, UPSTAIRS---not in the morgue. Nothing which does not pertain to the dissected body ever appears in, or under the heading, "AR". NOTHING about what was found at the scene, or the condition of the scene would ever be in the AUTOPSY report :!:   :roll:

6] :o ALL catheters, tubes, pic lines, appliances, eyeglasses, hearing aids, dressings, etc., etc., are always removed prior to the trip to the morgue or mortuary. According to the story, MJ's body was "worked on" at the hospital, and probably intubated at one point, while they tried all chemical things to reverse the guy's problems. (Even after a routine surgery which goes amok,  :arrow: someone is assigned the task of removing all possible evidence of hospital :x  liability; drainage hoses, breathing tubes, introvenous lines and even fresh--clean-- catheters.) So, the mere mention of finding these things in a body which had been treated at the hospital makes this report a lie. :roll:

7] I'll combine these two things, for the sake of time: there was NO mention at all of any plastic surgeries or any injuries to his nose---which he reportedly BROKE prior to his very first nose job, and NO mention of --I can't remember---either a broken leg or broken foot, he experienced in the late 90s, I believe (not certain of the year, just certain of the broken bones).

There is more, but...this is QUITE enough, to establish that something is very wrong about this report, and that it is not even from this decade, let alone, in particular, OUR dear  50 year old Michael Jackson, K.O.P..
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: loyalfan on September 21, 2010, 02:29:57 AM
wow great post..."its her"...
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Its her on September 21, 2010, 02:53:42 AM
Quote from: "loyalfan"
wow great post..."its her"...

Thank you! You are too kind. :D
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: loyalfan on September 21, 2010, 04:02:38 AM
i only say things if i mean it...and its a great post lol      love to you xxxx
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: ForstAMoon on September 21, 2010, 05:52:31 AM
I have just noticed that there is sth strange as far as odontology is concerned. In my country at least in case of death odontology is very often the identification source and is always quite detailed in description.

This is the section from MJ AR, I was not able to find anything more on this.

(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/orto.jpg)

And there is this photo of young MJ, from around 1971, so ca.12 yrs old, in theory all of his teeth should have been permanent at this age. It seems one (canine) is missing. I looks like right one, which is number #6.

(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/74277092_10-1.jpg)

Any of the tooth loss as well as implants should be listed in AR. There is sth #18 and #19 but anything on #6. They mentioned all-ceramic maxillary teeth but still no word on missing tooth, even after the restoration like crown or implant, lack of teeth is lack of teeth and still should be mentioned.

 :?  :?  :?
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: Datroot on September 21, 2010, 06:15:19 AM
MJ looks younger than 12 in that pic.  It looks like his tooth hasn't yet come through from his missing baby tooth.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: ForstAMoon on September 21, 2010, 09:02:47 AM
Quote from: "Datroot"
MJ looks younger than 12 in that pic.  It looks like his tooth hasn't yet come through from his missing baby tooth.

that's the description under the photo on getty images page, there are other photos from this session available as well

(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/mjportrait1971.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: CC on September 21, 2010, 01:43:34 PM
Quote from: "ForstAMoon"
Quote from: "Datroot"
MJ looks younger than 12 in that pic.  It looks like his tooth hasn't yet come through from his missing baby tooth.

that's the description under the photo on getty images page, there are other photos from this session available as well

(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/mjportrait1971.jpg)

If what Souza have in his Theory is true (about the birth date) then MJ in that pictures has 10 years, not even 11... :roll:  could be he was changing his tooth at 10...

and btw, i was searching for Brittany Murphy Autopsy Report to make a comparation but i can´t found it but i found that TMZ laked that AR and found this article where say that MJ AR was fabricated... :?
http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... eaked.html (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2518671/brittany_murphy_autopsy_report_leaked.html)
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on September 21, 2010, 02:11:14 PM
Michael still looks very young in that photo, maybe the baby tooth hasn't came in yet.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: pepper on September 22, 2010, 12:53:02 AM
Quote from: "CC"
and btw, i was searching for Brittany Murphy Autopsy Report to make a comparation

Here you go -

http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Cel ... report.pdf (http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Celebs/murphy,%20brittany_report.pdf)
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: loyalfan on September 22, 2010, 03:56:18 AM
can i just ask why a confidential document is available to us..???
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: jenwren20 on September 22, 2010, 05:07:16 AM
ok, i've been reading through both of these autopsy reports (Brittany Murphy's and MJ's) and apart from the look of them something stood out to me.
In Mike's "autopsy" it says there is a 2cm scar on the abdomen in the lower right quadrant. Having recently had my appendix removed, I was thinking this must be the obvious cause but in the rest of the report it has the appendix present.
So, what is this scar from? I was under the impression that even if the appendix wasn't inflamed, once they've opened you up the remove it regardless??

This stuck in my mind since my first read-through months ago, but going over it again now it's just glaringly obvious.
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: paula-c on September 24, 2010, 07:55:31 AM
The stamps are different, the seal is the autopsy of Brittany Murphy is different to seal the autopsy report for Michael. 8-)
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: loyalfan on September 26, 2010, 01:32:14 PM
is the seal "thing" significant...?????
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on September 26, 2010, 01:33:23 PM
^ Very much.

[youtube:3bpf3nn2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx01bgYqpGg[/youtube:3bpf3nn2]
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: loyalfan on September 26, 2010, 03:20:18 PM
can i ask another question please...??? as i have just read a post on the other forum,re the ntwo week timeline of micheal leading up to 25th june...................he had a lot of injections from arnie klien.botox etc................


my question is.


would these show in the autopsy report...??

the answer could be important to the hoax...imho ..xxx
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: mjj29081958 on September 26, 2010, 03:58:31 PM
Quote from: "loyalfan"
can i ask another question please...??? as i have just read a post on the other forum,re the ntwo week timeline of micheal leading up to 25th june...................he had a lot of injections from arnie klien.botox etc................


my question is.


would these show in the autopsy report...??

the answer could be important to the hoax...imho ..xxx

Hi Loyalfan, do you know were did they get that detailed info on the treatments Michael received at Dr. Klein's office? I mean the original source? Thank you :)
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: ~Souza~ on September 26, 2010, 04:44:21 PM
Quote from: "mjj29081958"
Quote from: "loyalfan"
can i ask another question please...??? as i have just read a post on the other forum,re the ntwo week timeline of micheal leading up to 25th june...................he had a lot of injections from arnie klien.botox etc................


my question is.


would these show in the autopsy report...??

the answer could be important to the hoax...imho ..xxx

Hi Loyalfan, do you know were did they get that detailed info on the treatments Michael received at Dr. Klein's office? I mean the original source? Thank you :)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/what-else.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: loyalfan on September 26, 2010, 05:58:51 PM
joe-te-quiero wrote:
Given by Klein


March 23rd 2009
2 x Intramuscular Injections
Botox (under eye)

April 6th 2009
2 x Intramuscular Injections
Fine Line needle (botox)
Restylane (lip augmentation)

April 9th 2009
2 x Intramuscular Injections
File Line needle
Restylane

April 13th
Restylane
Fine Line needle
2 x Intramuscular Injections

April 15th
2 x Intramuscular Injections
Fine Line needle
Restylane charged for procedures but also extra $1,000 for out of hours call
Latanoprost x 4 (procedure which is used for glaucoma)

April 17th
3 x Intramuscular Injections
Fine Line needle
botox charged for procedures and also extra $5,000 for it being Kleins weekend off!!!!!!!
Restylane

April 21st
Botox

April 22nd
3 x Intramuscular Injections
Fine Line needle
Restylane x 3
bought nutritic lipsalve (for dry lips)

April 23rd
3 x Intramuscular Injections

April 25th
Eye drops
4 x Intra muscular Injections
Fine Line needle
Restylane charged for procedures and $7,500 dollars for weekend off call

April 27th
Botox eyes
Botox (under eyes)
3 x Intramuscular Injections
Restylane
Fine Line needle

April 28th
Eye drops
3 x Intramuscular Injections

April 30th
3 x Intramuscular Injections
Fine Line needle
Restylane


These continue every couple of days until there are some changes in June

4th June
Latisse - treatment used for the thickening of eye lashes and also can be used to promote hair growth on the scalp
Restylane
3 x Intramuscular Injections
Fine Line needle

10th June
Latisse


According to the papers Klein filed the last time he saw Michael for treatment was 22nd June which means that after he was warned to stay away he still saw him



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Title: Re: The Official Autopsy Report Thread
Post by: JesusLover05 on July 29, 2012, 07:02:57 PM
Well, I think the autopsy report is of someone else and not Michael Jackson's.
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