Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => June 25, 2009 => UCLA => Topic started by: mjjveritas on December 02, 2009, 08:32:28 AM
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Does anybody recognize the UCLA entrance where the ambulance is parked. How do we know that photo was actually taken there ? This could be anywhere if we cannot confirm where it was taken. This could be a film studio or set. There are reflections of trees/bushes in the metal door surrounds. Can someone in LA confirm that entrance is at that hospital. I know all the crowds gathered outside the real UCLA at the time of MJ's supposed "death" but that does not prove he was actually taken there.
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GOOD QUESTION! BUT I DON'T KNOW... :geek: :roll:
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id like to know the answer as well
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If I lived in the area, I'd do a drive-by with a camera for the benefit of the forum! Unfortunately, I live on the other side of the country. Oh well.
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This is the same entrance, later that same day. I added the original photo in showing Murray etc for comparison.
(http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/jun2009/4/3/jackson-ambulance-pic-getty-769396824.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_v9nTKD7D57Q/SkRTiCQBwhI/AAAAAAAAbfg/ysm-FZoH-gc/s400/ambulance-arrives-at-hospital-with-michael-jackson.jpg)
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I JUST posted a BUNCH of posts about this on the new MJHD.net site and now I can't access the site!
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I found an article stating that in the 911 call, the operator intimated that he assumed that Michael would be brought to Cedars-Sinai, which is where Michael had been treated for other things and was also close to his home.
Soon after, police were blockading streets around Cedars-Sinai and hundreds of fans/media were all over the place there.
But he was brought to UCLA, which is further away (by about 5 miles).
This is the first I have heard of this.
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ok.. here are my posts:
the part I am wondering about is at the end and I bolded it.
June 26, 2009
(CBS/ AP) A 911 caller seeking help for Michael Jackson told an emergency operator that only a personal physician had seen what happened, and an ambulance was urgently needed because resuscitation efforts weren't working.
The Los Angeles Fire Department on Friday released a redacted audio recording of the call made Thursday by a person who only referred to Jackson as a 50-year-old man. It appeared that a mention of the phone number was deleted from the recording.
"I need an ambulance as soon as possible, sir," the caller said urgently but politely. "We have a gentlemen here that needs help and he's not breathing yet. He's not breathing and we need to - we're trying to pump him, but he's not, he's not."
The caller reported that Jackson was on a bed and the emergency operator began to instruct him to do CPR, but stopped when the caller said that the personal physician was there.
"Oh, OK. We're on our way there. If your guy is doing CPR and you're instructed by a doctor, he's a higher authority than me. And he's on the scene," the 911 operator said.
The operator asked if anyone witnessed what happened.
"No, just the doctor, sir, the doctor was the only one there," the caller said.
"Did he see what happened?" the operator asked.
"Doctor, did you see what happened, sir?" the caller asked someone in the room. Only an urgent mumbling can be heard on the recording.
"We're on our way. It's less than a mile away from Cedars," the operator said, referring to Cedars-Sinai Medical Center.
Paramedics, however, took Jackson to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, where he was later pronounced dead.
So, if Cedars-Sinai was less than a mile away, why did they bring him to UCLA?
1) Maybe he had been treated there before and Dr. Murray instructed them to go there, because MJ would want that?
2) They already had the hoax planned and it had to be UCLA, where everyone was in on it.
3) They never brought him to either hospital.
Thoughts?
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This is the link to the storr re: 911 call
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/ ... 7078.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/26/entertainment/main5117078.shtml)
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how odd is that i thought ucla was the nearest hospital
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Interesting.. I decided to look into this some more (why he wasn't brought to Cedars-Sinai, even though it was closer) and look at the article I found:
http://p2pnet.multibox.be/story/24000 (http://p2pnet.multibox.be/story/24000)
Michael Jackson is dead, aged 50
p2pnet news view Music:- Pop star Michael Jackson died in Los Angeles today, says the CBC, quoting media reports.
Captain Steve Ruda with the Los Angeles Fire Department said Jackson wasn’t breathing, “when paramedics responded to a call at his Los Angeles home about 12:30 pm,” says the story, going on:
“The paramedics performed CPR and took him to UCLA Medical Center.”
Police in Los Angeles, “blockaded streets around Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles”.
Hundreds of fans and media gathered outside Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles after reports began circulating that he had been transferred there, says the CBC.
So the police blockaded all the streets around Cedars-Sinai? Why? Did someone tell them that is where Michael was being brought?
Hundreds of fans and media gathered outside Cedars-Sinai? Why? Who told them Michael would be there? They must have seen the police blockade and "after reports begain circulating.." what reports? Who was telling everyone? I'm sure one person told another and word spreads quickly.
At what point did people start congregating at UCLA?
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ok, so upon further research I found that some new sources were reporting that he was brought via ambulance to Cedars-Sinai, but we now know that isn't true. He was brought to UCLA. (It says on the ambulances parked outside, and the entrance, etc.)
I also found out that Cedars-Sinai was where Michael's kids were born, and he often went there for treatments himself for various things.
So why on earth, if Cedars-Sinai is 5 miles CLOSER to his house AND it's the hospital where he is usually treated.. why did they bring him to UCLA? (Maybe thinking they could avoid the majority of fans/media by going somewhere unexpected? And possibly telling police to blockade the streets around Cedars-Sinai to further divert attention?)
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it does not make any sense
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This is the first article I came across that reported him being brought via ambulance to Cedars-Sinai. The picture that accompanies the article is him being brought into what we believe to be the UCLA entrance?
http://www.twirlit.com/2009/06/25/micha ... rt-attack/ (http://www.twirlit.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-heart-attack/)
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don't want to sound like a party pooper!! but didn't Michael choose the hospital he wanted to go to.. i seen on some other stuff he choose whenever he was sick where he wanted to go..
therefore he could have said if anything happens to me take me to this hospital!! not necessarily the closet one from his home!!
just a thought..
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ok.. here are my posts:
the part I am wondering about is at the end and I bolded it.
June 26, 2009
(CBS/ AP) A 911 caller seeking help for Michael Jackson told an emergency operator that only a personal physician had seen what happened, and an ambulance was urgently needed because resuscitation efforts weren't working.
The Los Angeles Fire Department on Friday released a redacted audio recording of the call made Thursday by a person who only referred to Jackson as a 50-year-old man. It appeared that a mention of the phone number was deleted from the recording.
"I need an ambulance as soon as possible, sir," the caller said urgently but politely. "We have a gentlemen here that needs help and he's not breathing yet. He's not breathing and we need to - we're trying to pump him, but he's not, he's not."
The caller reported that Jackson was on a bed and the emergency operator began to instruct him to do CPR, but stopped when the caller said that the personal physician was there.
"Oh, OK. We're on our way there. If your guy is doing CPR and you're instructed by a doctor, he's a higher authority than me. And he's on the scene," the 911 operator said.
The operator asked if anyone witnessed what happened.
"No, just the doctor, sir, the doctor was the only one there," the caller said.
"Did he see what happened?" the operator asked.
"Doctor, did you see what happened, sir?" the caller asked someone in the room. Only an urgent mumbling can be heard on the recording.
"We're on our way. It's less than a mile away from Cedars," the operator said, referring to Cedars-Sinai Medical Center.
Paramedics, however, took Jackson to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, where he was later pronounced dead.
So, if Cedars-Sinai was less than a mile away, why did they bring him to UCLA?
1) Maybe he had been treated there before and Dr. Murray instructed them to go there, because MJ would want that?
2) They already had the hoax planned and it had to be UCLA, where everyone was in on it.
3) They never brought him to either hospital.
Thoughts?
This seems to be a misunderstanding or something. Cedars-Sinai is 3.43 miles from MJ's home on Carolwood. UCLA is only 2.33 miles away. UCLA is closer.
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I also think that article is weird. I've listened to that call many times and I never heard them mention Cedars. And every transcript I've read shows this:
Caller - Thank you sir. He's pumping, he's pumping his chest but he's not responding to anything sir, please.
911- Okay, okay. We're on our way, we're on our way, we're we're less than a mile away. We'll be there shortly.
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here are some links to different views of ucla emergency building, etc. maybe they went into emergency via parking garage? or a side entrance??? but clearly the front of emergency is clearly marked with EMERGENCY. and the picture of michael does not show that.
http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/886868 ... F2B3269972 (http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/88686805.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19356863F2C054EB26603DF893298289468B01E70F2B3269972)
http://media.oanow.com/oanow/gfx.php?ma ... ittney.jpg (http://media.oanow.com/oanow/gfx.php?max_width=300&imgfile=images/uploads/brittney.jpg)
http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/t ... /thumb.jpg (http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/thumbnails/cached_media/0000/0000919/0000919472/images/thumb.jpg)
http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/dmZxokXS ... DEJcb4aE-w (http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/dmZxokXSV_X6eXUxxovKjw?select=SDG_lHGaT5cEDEJcb4aE-w)
youtube video showing emergency room. check about the 3:10 mark. they show front of emergency. are they really going to bring people through those front doors? looks more like a reception area.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szx_qwcAGUs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szx_qwcAGUs)
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I've been on the RR UCLA Centre website and the main entrence is at the south of the buiding whilst the emergency dept is at the north end but there are no pics of that.
There are some pics of Cedars Sinai Hospital and I think the building looks similar to that were he is being taken in rather than the UCLA[attachment=1:jq9wst8d]Cedars Sinai.jpg[/attachment:jq9wst8d][attachment=0:jq9wst8d]Cedars Sinai 2.jpg[/attachment:jq9wst8d]
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But there is a Dr Cooper who works in the emergency dept at UCLA
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I was looking for some more pics of UCLA and came across this...it's on X17Online and there are 26 pics form June 25 at UCLA. I'd not seen many of these pics before. Several show one of MJ's bodyguards (I think his name is Michael Amir Williams??) blocking a photographer/camera guy from video-taping things. Just thought I'd share this since I'd not seen them before.
http://x17online.com/gallery/view_galle ... 17&index=1 (http://x17online.com/gallery/view_gallery.php?gallery=MJacksonBodyguard0625_X17&index=1)
But I will say...the ER entrance we see in these pics is clearly NOT the entrance that MJ was supposedly taken into. The entrance looks totally different.
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I JUST posted a BUNCH of posts about this on the new MJHD.net site and now I can't access the site!
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I found an article stating that in the 911 call, the operator intimated that he assumed that Michael would be brought to Cedars-Sinai, which is where Michael had been treated for other things and was also close to his home.
Soon after, police were blockading streets around Cedars-Sinai and hundreds of fans/media were all over the place there.
But he was brought to UCLA, which is further away (by about 5 miles).
This is the first I have heard of this.
I posted about this on another site, Dileo thought it would be Cedars too, I looked it up and the only thing I could find that might be relevant was that the helipad at Cedars was closed at the beginning of June (fumes getting into the hospital) I can phone and check when it was open again. - No helipad might hamper the gettaway.... :P
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I JUST posted a BUNCH of posts about this on the new MJHD.net site and now I can't access the site!
???
I found an article stating that in the 911 call, the operator intimated that he assumed that Michael would be brought to Cedars-Sinai, which is where Michael had been treated for other things and was also close to his home.
Soon after, police were blockading streets around Cedars-Sinai and hundreds of fans/media were all over the place there.
But he was brought to UCLA, which is further away (by about 5 miles).
This is the first I have heard of this.
I posted about this on another site, Dileo thought it would be Cedars too, I looked it up and the only thing I could find that might be relevant was that the helipad at Cedars was closed at the beginning of June (fumes getting into the hospital) I can phone and check when it was open again. - No helipad might hamper the gettaway.... :P
good idea but what about the underground tunnels at ucla,that was on another thread more confusion sorry
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This seems to be a misunderstanding or something. Cedars-Sinai is 3.43 miles from MJ's home on Carolwood. UCLA is only 2.33 miles away. UCLA is closer.
ok, so it makes sense that they would bring him there in terms of location.
I also think that article is weird. I've listened to that call many times and I never heard them mention Cedars.
I never did either. Do you think any part of the call was cut out when it was released? Probably not or one of us would have figured that out by now. lol.
maybe they went into emergency via parking garage? or a side entrance??? but clearly the front of emergency is clearly marked with EMERGENCY. and the picture of michael does not show that.
that's what I've always thought. The bins/emergency equipment being right outside the door made me think it was a rear/side entrance.
There are some pics of Cedars Sinai Hospital and I think the building looks similar to that were he is being taken in rather than the UCLA
I was thinking that too, once I started reading news reports that were initially stating that they brought him there, but I've also seen pictures that show vehicles out front with UCLA all over them. I guess that doesn't mean anything. Those pictures could have been taken at UCLA at any time.
But there is a Dr Cooper who works in the emergency dept at UCLA
Yes there is. I've e-mailed her. lol. (no reply though).
If you google her, you will find a TON of stuff about her in regard to her position at UCLA, so that part has to be real.
I posted about this on another site, Dileo thought it would be Cedars too, I looked it up and the only thing I could find that might be relevant was that the helipad at Cedars was closed at the beginning of June (fumes getting into the hospital) I can phone and check when it was open again. - No helipad might hamper the gettaway....
Diloe thought it would be Cedars? Or is he just saying that? Did he tip people off that it would be at Cedars? What I am wondering is why were police blockading Cedars and that is where all the fans/media were initially going? Or was the article wrong about that too?