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Title: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: MJonmymind on December 01, 2009, 11:26:33 PM
This just in via face book......Email sent to me
OMG!!!!
Hi my sweet friends, I have news to you...  1)Do you know 911 call has made from a hotel which's name is 9641 Sunset Blvdand and the hotel is only 3 minutes drive from Michael Jackson's house!!! Here is the link of the hotel... http://www.facebook.com/l/482e7;www.map ... +Boulevard (http://www.facebook.com/l/482e7;www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Beverly+Hills&state=CA&address=9641+Sunset+Boulevard) For this info special thanks to ...my friend Tessa Louise Beasley :) 2)Do you know how would Michael come to the stage at the begining of "This is it" concerts ???  Here is the link of it PLEASE watch it, really AMAZING!!!  http://www.facebook.com/l/482e7;www.ama ... O3DPICBZT5 (http://www.facebook.com/l/482e7;www.amazon.co.uk/gp/mpd/permalink/m10VO3DPICBZT5) For this info special thanks to my friend Cristiana Jackson :)  3)Do you know Conrad Murray's girlfriend is also an actor ?  Here is the link  http://www.facebook.com/l/482e7;www.imd ... nm1833639/ (http://www.facebook.com/l/482e7;www.imdb.com/name/nm1833639/) For this info special thanks to my friend Anna Wills Enjoy them at your spare time...

As Ive said I dont post unless Im 100% spot on!!
As you can see we have 3 new things here...so happy reading!!

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Bever ... +Boulevard (http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Beverly+Hills&state=CA&address=9641+Sunset+Boulevard)  This is where the 911 call came from according to what ive been told!!
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Crescendo on December 01, 2009, 11:38:55 PM
WHOA! How do they know it was made from a hotel?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on December 01, 2009, 11:43:44 PM
Quote from: "MJonmymind"
This just in via face book......Email sent to me
OMG!!!!
Hi my sweet friends, I have news to you...  1)Do you know 911 call has made from a hotel which's name is 9641 Sunset Blvdand and the hotel is only 3 minutes drive from Michael Jackson's house!!! Here is the link of the hotel... http://www.facebook.com/l/482e7;www.map ... +Boulevard (http://www.facebook.com/l/482e7;www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Beverly+Hills&state=CA&address=9641+Sunset+Boulevard) For this info special thanks to ...my friend Tessa Louise Beasley :)

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Bever ... +Boulevard (http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Beverly+Hills&state=CA&address=9641+Sunset+Boulevard)  This is where the 911 call came from according to what ive been told!!

Evidence to support this is located where because I don't see any here in the post?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: MJsbasheret on December 01, 2009, 11:44:19 PM
9641 Sunset is the Beverly Hills Hotel. Ya...how did you know the call was made from there?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: MJonmymind on December 01, 2009, 11:52:12 PM
The email states it!! if you read it which ive posted above!!!

All ive done is copied and pasted my email which was sent to me today!!!

This is just happend and i wanted to share it with you.

These people really know their research!!
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: neverlandprincess on December 01, 2009, 11:54:29 PM
Quote from: "MJonmymind"
This just in via face book......Email sent to me
OMG!!!!
Hi my sweet friends, I have news to you...  1)Do you know 911 call has made from a hotel which's name is 9641 Sunset Blvdand and the hotel is only 3 minutes drive from Michael Jackson's house!!! Here is the link of the hotel... http://www.facebook.com/l/482e7;www.map ... +Boulevard (http://www.facebook.com/l/482e7;www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Beverly+Hills&state=CA&address=9641+Sunset+Boulevard) For this info special thanks to ...my friend Tessa Louise Beasley :) 2)Do you know how would Michael come to the stage at the begining of "This is it" concerts ???  Here is the link of it PLEASE watch it, really AMAZING!!!  http://www.facebook.com/l/482e7;www.ama ... O3DPICBZT5 (http://www.facebook.com/l/482e7;www.amazon.co.uk/gp/mpd/permalink/m10VO3DPICBZT5) For this info special thanks to my friend Cristiana Jackson :)  3)Do you know Conrad Murray's girlfriend is also an actor ?  Here is the link  http://www.facebook.com/l/482e7;www.imd ... nm1833639/ (http://www.facebook.com/l/482e7;www.imdb.com/name/nm1833639/) For this info special thanks to my friend Anna Wills Enjoy them at your spare time...

As Ive said I dont post unless Im 100% spot on!!
As you can see we have 3 new things here...so happy reading!!

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Bever ... +Boulevard (http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Beverly+Hills&state=CA&address=9641+Sunset+Boulevard)  This is where the 911 call came from according to what ive been told!!

Interesting-Tessa is my friend on FB too :D  I havent been on to see this though-hmmmm :roll:
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on December 01, 2009, 11:56:19 PM
Quote from: "MJonmymind"
The email states it!! if you read it which ive posted above!!!

All ive done is copied and pasted my email which was sent to me today!!!

This is just happend and i wanted to share it with you.

These people really know their research!!

An email that provides no evidence to support a theory...is just an email suggesting a theory with no legs to stand on.
Please provide a link to EVIDENCE that suggests the 911 call was made from that hotel. Just because a hotel exists at that address and someone sends an email out containing the address does not make it true that the 911 call originated from that location.

Without supporting evidence; don't believe everything you read. Just because someone wrote it doesn't make it the gospel truth.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: ILuvUMoreMJ on December 02, 2009, 12:09:25 AM
A member on the old mjkit forum posted this about the cell phone call being traced to the hotel...

A. CREATING A CAD RECORD

Wireless 9-1-1 calls will require manual entry of the incident location and caller information.

The only way to determine the callers’ location is to ask them, or use the map coordinates

(latitude/longitude on a WPH2 call) to plot their location.

If you attempt to import a wireless 9-1-1 call into CAD using F2 or Shift F2 key strokes, it is

important to understand that the information may not transfer to the appropriate fields, and

the address that is given will be the cell site address or centroid address for the cell sector,

not the calling parties actual location

this explains why the call appeared to have come from the hotel, instead of Michael's home, where it actually came from.


http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-thi ... 53-100.htm (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/phone-number-report-from-911-call-number-t3653-100.htm)
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Happy Feet on December 02, 2009, 12:16:00 AM
Quote from: "ILuvUMoreMJ"
A member on the old mjkit forum posted this about the cell phone call being traced to the hotel...

A. CREATING A CAD RECORD

Wireless 9-1-1 calls will require manual entry of the incident location and caller information.

The only way to determine the callers’ location is to ask them, or use the map coordinates

(latitude/longitude on a WPH2 call) to plot their location.

If you attempt to import a wireless 9-1-1 call into CAD using F2 or Shift F2 key strokes, it is

important to understand that the information may not transfer to the appropriate fields, and

the address that is given will be the cell site address or centroid address for the cell sector,

not the calling parties actual location

this explains why the call appeared to have come from the hotel, instead of Michael's home, where it actually came from.


http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-thi ... 53-100.htm (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/phone-number-report-from-911-call-number-t3653-100.htm)


I remember people discussing this before via the link you left and proving that it was the cell/centroid address  which was near the hotel and not the calling parties actual location
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Ariel on December 02, 2009, 02:28:40 AM
It was a strange 911 call. First the doctor does not know the excact address. How come. Then the 911 operator could not locate the address, and tell it was MJs home. Please, 911 operators are better than that. Never looked too much at Dr. Murray's girlfriend. Too tired for another round of fake stories about that 911 call. Enough was enough since day 1, for me.

vera

that was what i was using in the other forum, that just went down, and in the old version of this one (vera_belle)

just got confused with so many forums :)
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: MJJ1982 on December 02, 2009, 05:37:49 AM
I made a topic about it too here, under de 911 call section.

viewtopic.php?f=37&t=254 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=254)
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: maryO on December 02, 2009, 07:55:44 AM
maybe the hotel is owned by michael?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on December 02, 2009, 08:01:27 AM
I remember about the 911 call being from a hotel. There is a pic on here somewhere or the old mjkit that shows the computer inside the ambulance. On the screen of that computer is an address to which the call was made from. We researched that address and it is indeed a hotel. The phone number from which the call was made was from alverez's cell phone. Many of us called that number and its obviously been disconnected...but the LOCATION of the call was made from a hotel.
I do not have time to look for the photo,...its been well circulated so Im sure youve all seen it, just didnt notice the details.... but it has been posted. I will try and look a little later...I have to get to work.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Tammy Jackson on December 02, 2009, 09:22:43 AM
OMG... why I hear this for the first time? Guess I was nuts.... wow)))
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: LucyLocket on December 02, 2009, 09:49:50 AM
Hmmm... on that computer screen (firetruck photo), you could see the latitude/longitude coordinates where the call originated.  I used Google to look up those coordinates.  The coordinates were most definitely those of the home.  I'm totally confused.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Whitesocks on December 02, 2009, 09:53:19 AM
Yes i've read it before in the complete weirdlist. Strange isn't it.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: joyaboya on December 02, 2009, 09:53:40 AM
wow this is very interesting!!!! Good find!
Thank you so much :-) you made my day:-)
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: loveYouMJ88 on December 02, 2009, 10:58:15 AM
Wow this is the first time I hear this. Great find!  :P
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Whitesocks on December 02, 2009, 11:04:04 AM
You can read it all in the complete weird list.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on December 02, 2009, 11:27:36 AM
Credit to Purple @michaeljacksonhoax

(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fi49%26%2346%3Bphotobucket%26%2346%3Bcom%2Falbums%2Ff264%2FIndigoDreams0007%2FMDT-Michael-Jackson%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=1c354bda9df5f0ef800b8f68f96552ab)
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: SPAKKLE29FUL on December 02, 2009, 11:28:56 AM
okay i have something that is bothering me we know this alveraz man made the call,where is he now what is he doing ,has he vanished into thin air :?: i ask cos if mj is really dead wouldnt his story be worth mega bucks imagine the headlines my last hours with michael jackson.  :!: how is this man making a living thats what i need to know
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on December 02, 2009, 12:26:41 PM
Quote from: "SPAKKLE29FUL"
okay i have something that is bothering me we know this alveraz man made the call,where is he now what is he doing ,has he vanished into thin air :?: i ask cos if mj is really dead wouldnt his story be worth mega bucks imagine the headlines my last hours with michael jackson.  :!: how is this man making a living thats what i need to know


Oh,, Im sure he's been made to keep his mouth shut. He probably knows alot more then anybody close to MJ. He could BE with MJ right now too....
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on December 02, 2009, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Credit to Purple @michaeljacksonhoax

(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fi49%26%2346%3Bphotobucket%26%2346%3Bcom%2Falbums%2Ff264%2FIndigoDreams0007%2FMDT-Michael-Jackson%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=1c354bda9df5f0ef800b8f68f96552ab)
 There it is!!! 9641 Sunset blvd..........The Beverly Hills Hotel!! Look it up.
The coordinates are for MJ's house Im guessing like someone said....but for security reasons and due to the fact the call was made for a celebrity, they NEVER ever mention a celebs address or name on a 911 dispatch because people (including paps) have scanners and if they said "Michael Jackson at 100 North Carolwood dr is not beathing" over the radio..........chaos would have ensued on MJ's place in a matter of seconds. Mj's address was well known in Los Angeles.
Most times there is a red flag on a celebs house when a 911 call is made to alert the dispathcher it IS a celebs house and to use a different code to the EMT's.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: SPAKKLE29FUL on December 02, 2009, 12:34:10 PM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "SPAKKLE29FUL"
okay i have something that is bothering me we know this alveraz man made the call,where is he now what is he doing ,has he vanished into thin air :?: i ask cos if mj is really dead wouldnt his story be worth mega bucks imagine the headlines my last hours with michael jackson.  :!: how is this man making a living thats what i need to know


Oh,, Im sure he's been made to keep his mouth shut. He probably knows alot more then anybody close to MJ. He could BE with MJ right now too....
SEE AND THEY WANT US TO BELIEVE MJ IS DEAD IM NOT THAT STUPID YET :!:
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: loveumj88 on December 02, 2009, 12:37:02 PM
yes i heard of this.. :?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on December 02, 2009, 12:40:37 PM
Quote from: "SPAKKLE29FUL"
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "SPAKKLE29FUL"
okay i have something that is bothering me we know this alveraz man made the call,where is he now what is he doing ,has he vanished into thin air :?: i ask cos if mj is really dead wouldnt his story be worth mega bucks imagine the headlines my last hours with michael jackson.  :!: how is this man making a living thats what i need to know


Oh,, Im sure he's been made to keep his mouth shut. He probably knows alot more then anybody close to MJ. He could BE with MJ right now too....
SEE AND THEY WANT US TO BELIEVE MJ IS DEAD IM NOT THAT STUPID YET :!:

LOL!! What are you doing out of your cell? Who let you out?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: SPAKKLE29FUL on December 02, 2009, 12:57:31 PM
im now adding KFC to my cell in case we have a very special visitor ;)  :lol:
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Joanna on December 02, 2009, 01:11:11 PM
I just found this which may be of help:

http://www.latina.com/entertainment/cel ... 1-revealed (http://www.latina.com/entertainment/celebrity/michael-jackson-bodyguard-who-dialed-911-revealed)
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Christiana on December 02, 2009, 02:10:41 PM
This was discussed in the old community. The hotel address is the location of the cell station, which is why it's showing that address, not because the call was made from there. We had a lengthy thread about this until someone posted the info that debunked this (and that info is posted on page one of this thread). The calls are routed from cell stations, and this cell station is at the hotel. That doesn't mean the call was made from the hotel.

"the address that is given will be the cell site address or centroid address for the cell sector,

not the calling parties actual location."
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: joyaboya on December 02, 2009, 02:15:15 PM
Quote from: "Christiana"
This was discussed in the old community. The hotel address is the location of the cell station, which is why it's showing that address, not because the call was made from there. We had a lengthy thread about this until someone posted the info that debunked this (and that info is posted on page one of this thread). The calls are routed from cell stations, and this cell station is at the hotel. That doesn't mean the call was made from the hotel.

"the address that is given will be the cell site address or centroid address for the cell sector,

not the calling parties actual location."


Thank you... i hope this clears it up now for everyone...
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: SILVANA on December 02, 2009, 02:28:09 PM
That is the  heartbreak hotel ... heartbreak hotel .... lol !!

I would like to hear that song right now !!
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on December 02, 2009, 02:34:08 PM
Quote from: "SILVANA"
That is the  heartbreak hotel ... heartbreak hotel .... lol !!

I would like to hear that song right now !!

Here ya go!!
[youtube:1nmh6ewm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDqO4nxk3xI[/youtube:1nmh6ewm]
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Crescendo on December 02, 2009, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "SILVANA"
That is the  heartbreak hotel ... heartbreak hotel .... lol !!

I would like to hear that song right now !!

Here ya go!!
[youtube:2y868djl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDqO4nxk3xI[/youtube:2y868djl]


woo hoo! thank you Jacksonologist. :D
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: SILVANA on December 02, 2009, 03:41:52 PM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "SILVANA"
That is the  heartbreak hotel ... heartbreak hotel .... lol !!

I would like to hear that song right now !!

Here ya go!!
[youtube:2jlng2yh]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDqO4nxk3xI[/youtube:2jlng2yh]



THANK YOUUUU  :D  :D
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: alexa7 on December 02, 2009, 04:44:16 PM
Well I have done some checking and reports vary a bit about tracing a cell phone's location after dialling 911 from, "in a best case scenario the police can pinpoint a cel phone caller within a few dozen seconds.  The caller's latitude and longitude co ordinates pop up on an operator's computer screen" or check this site for tracking 911 calls on cell phones,
www.ezinearticles.com/?How-to-Trace-a-C ... &id=665747 (http://www.ezinearticles.com/?How-to-Trace-a-Cell-Phone-location&id=665747)

HOWEVER this idea about the cell tower/receiver or whatever being at the Sunset Bld address makes no sense -
www.cellreception.com/towers/towers.php ... ate_abr=ca (http://www.cellreception.com/towers/towers.php?city=los%20angeles&state_abr=ca)

This site shows all the cell towers in LA and there are absolutely NONE in Sunset Blvd, so how does that address come up??? Also it seems to me from the times shown on the screen that there were 2 calls made??? one at 12.21 and one at 12.22????? :?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: SPAKKLE29FUL on December 02, 2009, 06:22:16 PM
Quote from: "alexa7"
Well I have done some checking and reports vary a bit about tracing a cell phone's location after dialling 911 from, "in a best case scenario the police can pinpoint a cel phone caller within a few dozen seconds.  The caller's latitude and longitude co ordinates pop up on an operator's computer screen" or check this site for tracking 911 calls on cell phones,
http://www.ezinearticles.com/?How-to-Tr ... &id=665747 (http://www.ezinearticles.com/?How-to-Trace-a-Cell-Phone-location&id=665747)

HOWEVER this idea about the cell tower/receiver or whatever being at the Sunset Bld address makes no sense -
http://www.cellreception.com/towers/tow ... ate_abr=ca (http://www.cellreception.com/towers/towers.php?city=los%20angeles&state_abr=ca)

This site shows all the cell towers in LA and there are absolutely NONE in Sunset Blvd, so how does that address come up??? Also it seems to me from the times shown on the screen that there were 2 calls made??? one at 12.21 and one at 12.22????? :?
thats very interesting maybe we need to dig some more
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: QuirkyDiana on December 02, 2009, 09:33:08 PM
Ummm LIGHT MAN!!! Nobody posted about the video yet! LM such an unusual idea, for the people that worked on it so tragic. It would have been truly great. How come they got hold of that footage?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Secret Dove on December 02, 2009, 09:46:40 PM
Quote from: "QuirkyDiana"
Ummm LIGHT MAN!!! Nobody posted about the video yet! LM such an unusual idea, for the people that worked on it so tragic. It would have been truly great. How come they got hold of that footage?

Hmm, did I miss something?  This thread is about the 911 call coming from a hotel, not light man. I don't see the video posted in this thread... :?  :?  :?  :?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: michaelsupporter on December 02, 2009, 09:51:57 PM
Quote from: "Secret Dove"
Quote from: "QuirkyDiana"
Ummm LIGHT MAN!!! Nobody posted about the video yet! LM such an unusual idea, for the people that worked on it so tragic. It would have been truly great. How come they got hold of that footage?

Hmm, did I miss something?  This thread is about the 911 call coming from a hotel, not light man. I don't see the video posted in this thread... :?  :?  :?  :?

SecretDove:
It is one of the three links in the first post on page 1.  It is an awesome link to footage about the light man in the "This Is It" concerts.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: watthhel on December 03, 2009, 05:30:59 AM
Quote from: "SPAKKLE29FUL"
okay i have something that is bothering me we know this alveraz man made the call,where is he now what is he doing ,has he vanished into thin air :?: i ask cos if mj is really dead wouldnt his story be worth mega bucks imagine the headlines my last hours with michael jackson.  :!: how is this man making a living thats what i need to know


Ive heard it the first time with the hotel-call.  :o  Mr. Alvarez is with Michael I think - like always.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Happy Feet on December 03, 2009, 05:36:04 AM
Quote from: "SPAKKLE29FUL"
Quote from: "alexa7"
Well I have done some checking and reports vary a bit about tracing a cell phone's location after dialling 911 from, "in a best case scenario the police can pinpoint a cel phone caller within a few dozen seconds.  The caller's latitude and longitude co ordinates pop up on an operator's computer screen" or check this site for tracking 911 calls on cell phones,
http://www.ezinearticles.com/?How-to-Tr ... &id=665747 (http://www.ezinearticles.com/?How-to-Trace-a-Cell-Phone-location&id=665747)

HOWEVER this idea about the cell tower/receiver or whatever being at the Sunset Bld address makes no sense -
http://www.cellreception.com/towers/tow ... ate_abr=ca (http://www.cellreception.com/towers/towers.php?city=los%20angeles&state_abr=ca)

This site shows all the cell towers in LA and there are absolutely NONE in Sunset Blvd, so how does that address come up??? Also it seems to me from the times shown on the screen that there were 2 calls made??? one at 12.21 and one at 12.22????? :?
thats very interesting maybe we need to dig some more

That is interesting and maybe does need to be looked at a bit more. I found this info about tracing a cell phone call (there is a part that is particular to emergency calls).

Quote from article "The way GPS technology works in modern cell phones varies between the different cellphone networks, and with some operators it does not continuously transmit location. This means that when you want to trace a cell phone location, the information that you will be gathering is most likely collected from transmission tower locations. However, when the person who has the phone has made an emergency call, this GPS transmission will always be sent. This is designed to ensure that the police can always track a cell phone location, in order to get help to people who need it"

If I have interpruted this correctly, that would mean that the cell number would be traced by emergency to the location it was made and not a tower or centroid site. Is that correct? It only crossed my mind because a bushwalker here got lost and they were able to trace his whereabouts through his 911 call on his cellphone.

Any thoughts?
http://www.wirelessgalaxy.com/researchc ... cation.asp (http://www.wirelessgalaxy.com/researchcenter/how-to-trace-a-cell-phone-location.asp)
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Happy Feet on December 03, 2009, 08:46:24 PM
Ok, I'm still looking further into this, but I went on the Verizon Wireless website and found information regarding 911 calls through their network. According to their website, all phones sold from 2003 are GPS enhanced and capable and will direct a person to the location the phone call is made. I highly doubt anyone working in security for Michael would have a outdated 6-7 year old cell phone. That would mean they did trace the call from it's original location and not a centroid or cell site.

Here's a bit of the article:-

What is a GPS-capable phone, and why is it so important for E911?
Verizon Wireless' Phase 2 E911 location technology is built into the phone's handset; GPS-capable phones rely on signals from the Federal Government's Global Positioning System satellites to help estimate their location when you make a 911 call. Verizon Wireless' handset-based location technology provides the most accurate capability over varied terrain, and is generally capable of estimates within 50 to 150 meters in most cases.

Many of the phones sold in 2002-2003 and 100% of the new handsets sold by Verizon Wireless since December 31, 2003 are GPS-capable, which means there is a chipset in the phone that will help provide location information to a PSAP when a caller dials 911. GPS-capable phones have a chipset in the phone that will help provide location information to a PSAP when a caller dials 911. The phone itself is not a stand-alone GPS device, and the handset alone does not support or initiate any kind of individual tracking capability. The location-determining capability becomes functional after dialing 911 when the network is prompted to determine the handset's location.

Full article below from Verizon Wireless website:-

http://aboutus.vzw.com/wirelessissues/enhanced911.html (http://aboutus.vzw.com/wirelessissues/enhanced911.html)
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Christiana on December 03, 2009, 10:16:08 PM
I'm still investigating this too and will continue to do so, but wanted to chime in on something about the cell sites etc. When you use a website that shows locations of cell towers and cell sites, it will not show ALL locations of towers/sites. That is because not all towers/sites are registered with the FCC, and only those that are will be displayed on any maps on sites that are showing those locations.

Also, it isn't just cell "towers" that are involved here. There are cell sites that are basically antenna devices that can be placed in any location, including on buildings, and help relay the signals when wireless calls are made.

I also did find a couple of sites that did show cell tower/cell sites location, with at least one on Sunset Blvd, but the exact address was not shown. So it may or may not be the right one.

Finally, I emailed Verizon this morning to ask them about a cell site at the hotel address. I just used the address--didn't mention the hotel or MJ or anything. I just asked them if they had a website or page that listed their tower and/or cell site locations; or if they could verify a cell site at that specific address. I was told that they do not give out that kind of information. Many wireless companies, apparently, do not give out this type of information at all. And during my hunting last night, I even came across a website community that has a forum where people post locations of towers/cell sites in their areas, since that information is not always available. They are part of a "cell tower hunting club" of a sort, and they apparently enjoy hunting for the cell sites and towers as a hobby. (http://forums.wirelessadvisor.com/cell- ... ting-club/ (http://forums.wirelessadvisor.com/cell-tower-hunting-club/)) Strange, but true.

I'm going to keep on digging for more info until I can get some peace of mind on this issue, because it does tend to bug me. I do believe there is a cell site at that hotel address. Just my opinion on it based on information members have already provided and what I've learned about the sites online. But I want to find out for sure!
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Happy Feet on December 04, 2009, 03:19:57 AM
Quote from: "Christiana"
I'm still investigating this too and will continue to do so, but wanted to chime in on something about the cell sites etc. When you use a website that shows locations of cell towers and cell sites, it will not show ALL locations of towers/sites. That is because not all towers/sites are registered with the FCC, and only those that are will be displayed on any maps on sites that are showing those locations.

Also, it isn't just cell "towers" that are involved here. There are cell sites that are basically antenna devices that can be placed in any location, including on buildings, and help relay the signals when wireless calls are made.

I also did find a couple of sites that did show cell tower/cell sites location, with at least one on Sunset Blvd, but the exact address was not shown. So it may or may not be the right one.

Finally, I emailed Verizon this morning to ask them about a cell site at the hotel address. I just used the address--didn't mention the hotel or MJ or anything. I just asked them if they had a website or page that listed their tower and/or cell site locations; or if they could verify a cell site at that specific address. I was told that they do not give out that kind of information. Many wireless companies, apparently, do not give out this type of information at all. And during my hunting last night, I even came across a website community that has a forum where people post locations of towers/cell sites in their areas, since that information is not always available. They are part of a "cell tower hunting club" of a sort, and they apparently enjoy hunting for the cell sites and towers as a hobby. (http://forums.wirelessadvisor.com/cell- ... ting-club/ (http://forums.wirelessadvisor.com/cell-tower-hunting-club/)) Strange, but true.

I'm going to keep on digging for more info until I can get some peace of mind on this issue, because it does tend to bug me. I do believe there is a cell site at that hotel address. Just my opinion on it based on information members have already provided and what I've learned about the sites online. But I want to find out for sure!

Hey Christina,

I wasn't too much focusing on the centroid/cell site being near the hotel. I'm sure there are many of those around the city and in close proximity to B/Hotel. I would assume that if all phones sold by verizon from 2003 onwards were gps enabled, then the actual phone call would trace to the location it was made and bypass the address of the tower.  This is how I interpreted their information on 911 calls given the actual location of the call and not a centroid, particularly with how gps monitoring works. It would be interesting to see if there is a centroid closer to Michaels address because if so, the call should of been picked up by that one.

Would be interested to find out more on this as well.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Happy Feet on December 04, 2009, 05:26:20 AM
Ok, final update from me. I checked out the Verizon Cell sites and antennas that I could find via the internet.

There are only 2 cellphone towers in the vinicity and wider area registered by Verizon. There are many others through different providers which isn't really relevant, but these are the ones registered only to Verizon since that is the wireless provider here. These are the ones closest in proximity to 100 N Carolwood Drive. They are 11005 Santa Clara Divide Rd and 1450 Imperial Highway. The closest  registered cell antenna for Verizon to 100 N Carolwood Drive is located at 801 1/2 Hilgard Avenue, which according to google maps is only 2 miles (roughly 5 minute drive) from Holmby Mansion.  Given this information, there would be no need whatsoever for the phone call to appear from B/Hotel , since the cell antenna and cell tower are located in different addresses (and the cell antenna is closer to Holmby than B/Hotel). In fact I didn't find any Verizon atennas located next to B/Hotel.

The only real answer I can come up with from this is that the phone call via the cellphone was made at 9641 Sunset Blvd and not 100 Carolwood Drive.   That addresses was more than likely picked up by 911 via GPS location.  If this is where Alvarez call took place, we would assume Michael was with him given the fact it was his job to protect him.

This is the best I have been able to come up with so far.  Someone else may find info different to this.

http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Lo ... ornia.html (http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Los-Angeles-California.html)
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: pyt777 on December 04, 2009, 11:17:28 AM
EXCELLENT CHRISTINA AND HAPPY FEET! :D   I was not able to find any towers anywhere near either the house or the hotel based on the second link alexa7 posted, but thank God for those hobbyists! I completely forgot about antennas!

One Question, and please be patient with me: Where did the hotel address come from? As in why is it linked to Mike?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: SPAKKLE29FUL on December 04, 2009, 11:20:30 AM
Quote from: "pyt777"
EXCELLENT CHRISTINA AND HAPPY FEET! :D   I was not able to find any towers anywhere near either the house or the hotel based on the second link alexa7 posted, but thank God for those hobbyists! I completely forgot about antennas!

One Question, and please be patient with me: Where did the hotel address come from? As in why is it linked to Mike?
i think it has something to do with liz taylor cant remember what
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: pyt777 on December 04, 2009, 11:45:32 AM
Quote from: "SPAKKLE29FUL"
Quote from: "pyt777"
EXCELLENT CHRISTINA AND HAPPY FEET! :D   I was not able to find any towers anywhere near either the house or the hotel based on the second link alexa7 posted, but thank God for those hobbyists! I completely forgot about antennas!

One Question, and please be patient with me: Where did the hotel address come from? As in why is it linked to Mike?
i think it has something to do with liz taylor cant remember what

Liz?! Rly?! OMG! Where was I? :shock:
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on December 04, 2009, 12:50:29 PM
Quote from: "pyt777"
Quote from: "SPAKKLE29FUL"
Quote from: "pyt777"
EXCELLENT CHRISTINA AND HAPPY FEET! :D   I was not able to find any towers anywhere near either the house or the hotel based on the second link alexa7 posted, but thank God for those hobbyists! I completely forgot about antennas!

One Question, and please be patient with me: Where did the hotel address come from? As in why is it linked to Mike?
i think it has something to do with liz taylor cant remember what

Liz?! Rly?! OMG! Where was I? :shock:

The hotel's address showed on the computer screen in the firetruck. There is a pic of that screen on page one of this thread. We were allcurious as to WHY it was there, and apparently the 911 call WAS made from the hotel.....is that what you were asking?
And sorry, but I missed the Liz Taylor thing....whats her connection? Was she staying there or something?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Jennie on December 04, 2009, 01:02:37 PM
Ok, so I'm going to try and recap the info here and please let me know if I got this right. PLZ.

The 911 call would have been made at the location of the hotel but emergency services would have been sent to Michael's mansion on CarolWood Dr.

Now the reason the sunset blv. adress to the hotel appears on the 911 monitor that we've seen would have something to do with elizabeth taylor?    I am really confused about this one, does anyone remember how she is connected to this?

Well, Murray not wanting to call 911 from his cell cause he didn't know the adress would kinda sorta make a little more sense because he did not want the 911 services to head for the hotel because then the plan would have fallen apart.  OUfff...  My brain is sore from all this... :roll:

Just one thing though.. if the 911 call was made from the hotel and MJ was more than likely at the hotel himself then what should we think about that utube vid that shows Michael coming out of a window of his mansion during that whole 911 thing? :?:  :?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: MJJ1982 on December 04, 2009, 01:09:52 PM
I missed the Liz Taylor thing too....

I've already made a topic about the call in the 911 section, and asked a question there:

Why do the coordinates of Michael's house show up after the address from the BH hotel?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Secret Dove on December 04, 2009, 01:12:53 PM
Quote from: "Jennie"
Ok, so I'm going to try and recap the info here and please let me know if I got this right. PLZ.

The 911 call would have been made at the location of the hotel but emergency services would have been sent to Michael's mansion on CarolWood Dr.

Now the reason the sunset blv. adress to the hotel appears on the 911 monitor that we've seen would have something to do with elizabeth taylor?    I am really confused about this one, does anyone remember how she is connected to this?

Well, Murray not wanting to call 911 from his cell cause he didn't know the adress would kinda sorta make a little more sense because he did not want the 911 services to head for the hotel because then the plan would have fallen apart.  OUfff...  My brain is sore from all this... :roll:

Just one thing though.. if the 911 call was made from the hotel and MJ was more than likely at the hotel himself then what should we think about that utube vid that shows Michael coming out of a window of his mansion during that whole 911 thing? :?:  :?
:shock: What video are you referring too? I've never seen a video of Michael coming out of a window in the mansion he was staying in!!! Can you post the link please? :?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Jennie on December 04, 2009, 01:18:35 PM
Hey everyone I was trying to find that you tube vid of michael escaping his house from a window and I stumbled across this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kblPDDb9 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kblPDDb9jnA&feature=related)

In this vid it starts with a clip of a song (not sure the title of it) and then it shows somthing that seems to be a portion of an ambulance or maybe it's the fire truck anyhow, why is the number on this one 78. I always heard there were 2 ambulances involved but I never knew the details of it.

Does anybody know anything about this? :?:
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Jennie on December 04, 2009, 01:27:08 PM
I believe it may have been a thread on the mjkit forum with vids about the hoax. I'll keep digging. This tics me off, I think my laptop is going to die on me soon and about every month or so I have to reformate the whole darn thing and lose all my favorite links I saved. :x
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Crescendo on December 04, 2009, 01:46:09 PM
its called getting rick rolled. someone tricks someone else into opening a link thats titled some which is very interesting and when people click it they hear "Never gonna let you down" by rick astley. its a good song. but then the poster did put a picture of the ambulance at the end. which is weird. i couldnt make out much through the window.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Christiana on December 04, 2009, 01:59:54 PM
I don't know how Liz's name got thrown into this. I don't believe she has anything to do with the 911 call. So unless someone has some definitive info on that to back it up, can we disregard her in this equation. It's too confusing!

As for the video link showing an ambulance photo of #78...that to me doesn't prove anything. We don't see the whole ambulance, just this small part of it with the number on it. It could have been taken anywhere at any time. And considering it's a Rick-Rolled video, I don't put much stock in it anyway.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Happy Feet on December 04, 2009, 02:07:43 PM
I wouldn't have a clue about the Liz Taylor connection (in fact this is the first time I've heard it). I don't think it's relevant. All I can say is that there was no need for the original call to be traced all the way to B/Hotel unless it was made from there.  If it was made at Holmby's Home as claimed, then the cell tower in  Santa Clara Divide or the cell antenna in Hilgard Avenue should of picked it up and one of those addresses should appear on screen. Neither one of them do. I bet my life on it that that cellphone was GPS enhanced and capable and that's why the address was picked up from B/Hotel as the original 911 call.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Jennie on December 04, 2009, 02:11:39 PM
Quote
I don't know how Liz's name got thrown into this. I don't believe she has anything to do with the 911 call. So unless someone has some definitive info on that to back it up, can we disregard her in this equation. It's too confusing!

As for the video link showing an ambulance photo of #78...that to me doesn't prove anything. We don't see the whole ambulance, just this small part of it with the number on it. It could have been taken anywhere at any time. And considering it's a Rick-Rolled video, I don't put much stock in it anyway

I am not trying to say that ambulance #78 proves or means anything, I didn't mean to confuse people and I am sorry if I did. But that was exacly my point, are we supposed to look into to this a little or completely forget it? I am unsure because it's like a hidden clue, when I click on a youtube vid and it's not what it is supposed to be or it's a sick joke I immediatly stop watching it as I have to time to waist on nonsense. On the other hand to start a whole investigation based on only that youtube vid makes me fell like an idiot in search of I dont know what based on I dont know what.. :roll:    :lol: You know what I mean? Yeah, I think I'll keep an eye open but not going to really get into it. NOt yet anyway. :!:
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on December 04, 2009, 02:46:45 PM
Quote from: "Jennie"
Ok, so I'm going to try and recap the info here and please let me know if I got this right. PLZ.

The 911 call would have been made at the location of the hotel but emergency services would have been sent to Michael's mansion on CarolWood Dr.

Now the reason the sunset blv. adress to the hotel appears on the 911 monitor that we've seen would have something to do with elizabeth taylor?    I am really confused about this one, does anyone remember how she is connected to this?

Well, Murray not wanting to call 911 from his cell cause he didn't know the adress would kinda sorta make a little more sense because he did not want the 911 services to head for the hotel because then the plan would have fallen apart.  OUfff...  My brain is sore from all this... :roll:

Just one thing though.. if the 911 call was made from the hotel and MJ was more than likely at the hotel himself then what should we think about that utube vid that shows Michael coming out of a window of his mansion during that whole 911 thing? :?:  :?


Wait...Whaaaaaat? What vid?

EDIT..Nvermind!! Saw the vid!!
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Crescendo on December 04, 2009, 04:18:58 PM
wait is there really a video of Mj crawling out the window? can someone post the link, please? thank you. :)
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Happy Feet on December 04, 2009, 04:59:25 PM
I think I would tend to believe that Michael would of been alot more organised in this hoax then to have to escape out a window. I'm sure he would of had a proper plan in place prior to the 911 call being made. It wasn't like a last minute thing where he thought "oh no what do I do now, I better climb out this window to get away".

Hey just my opinion.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Miss.Peppers on December 04, 2009, 05:03:38 PM
Quote from: "Crescendo"
wait is there really a video of Mj crawling out the window? can someone post the link, please? thank you. :)


I would like to see this too, please
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Jennie on December 04, 2009, 09:00:45 PM
I'm trying for you guys to find the link, I think it was a portion of one of those MJ is alive vids or death hoax vids.

I am going over all the vids again to find it, patience I will find it I am a very determined person and I want to prove I am telling the truth and not trying to throw anyone of track. Keep checking.

Thank you! :)
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Jennie on December 06, 2009, 01:37:17 AM
I found the famous link.

[youtube:u4dtjax8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrmlVO_w0T8&feature=related[/youtube:u4dtjax8]

You can watch the whole thing it's interesting, but you can see Michael coming out at 0:42 secs and then I recommend you watch til the end.

So what do you guys think about this?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Crescendo on December 06, 2009, 02:19:13 AM
Thank Jennie for the video.
I don't if im just too excited that my eyes dont allow me to see correctly or something but i cant make out anything.

ok so who is taking a picture through a window? it looks like the camera is inside the ambulance taking footage through the window.

what is a plait? it said Michael has a plait just like that or something?

that black vehicle is very interesting especially Michael always rode around in a black escalade or surburban like vehicle.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Christiana on December 06, 2009, 02:34:17 AM
I've posted a link to this video before (on the old MJKIT) and I believe others have too. I don't get how this is supposed to show MJ crawling out a window. Those are the front gates at the house...and whether or not that is MJ is not certain since you can't see a face and it's completely blurry.  :roll:  I'm completely confused.

And for whomever asked...a plait is a braid. I don't think braids were all that common for MJ. Outside of Blood on the Dance Floor, I don't have a recollection of another time he wore one (obviously, I could be wrong there). Pony tails were very common on MJ, but not braids.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: MJatbol on December 06, 2009, 02:37:23 AM
I don't think that was him, it would have been stupid of him to hang about in front of the open gate if he was planning a hoax
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Crescendo on December 06, 2009, 02:38:04 AM
Quote from: "Christiana"
I've posted a link to this video before (on the old MJKIT) and I believe others have too. I don't get how this is supposed to show MJ crawling out a window. Those are the front gates at the house...and whether or not that is MJ is not certain since you can't see a face and it's completely blurry.  :roll:  I'm completely confused.

And for whomever asked...a plait is a braid. I don't think braids were all that common for MJ. Outside of Blood on the Dance Floor, I don't have a recollection of another time he wore one (obviously, I could be wrong there). Pony tails were very common on MJ, but not braids.


oh ok thank you for clarifying that for me. I was like what is a plait?? lol yeah I only remember Michael with a braid in blood on the dance floor and thats pretty much it. (which he looked so good with, btw ;) )

i think its a very interesting video but i cant see much. i need glasses.  :roll: bad. but is def worth a watching and investigating.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: DontBelieveTheHype on December 06, 2009, 09:30:56 AM
I saw this ambulance video few weeks ago too. Who else would it be besides Michael? The clothes and the posture looks exactly like him, shame the video was only shot for a split second. If anyone, I think that was Michael. And remember the black car that entered his gates when the ambulance was getting out? I think that was Michaels driver picking him up.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: MJJ1982 on December 06, 2009, 02:48:59 PM
I don't believe that person is Michael. It would be very stupid to be there so physically, everyone could have seen him!
I think it's someone who tried to look through a window or something.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Jennie on December 06, 2009, 03:46:37 PM
I dont know either what to think of this youtube vid. It does look like Michael's figure and even body posture but as a few have pointed it out the vid of that person is blurry. I thought it would be ballsy to do that when all the chaos was going on and that it why I asked what all of you thought about it.

I am going to start a new thread on the youtube vids cause I wonder about those and what to get people's insight on them. :roll:
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Miss.Peppers on December 06, 2009, 03:54:50 PM
Could be Michael.. but i agree it would be risky for him to be hanging around on the driveway.
Maybe its him before he got into the ambulance?  Or maybe its Navi or someone like that?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Jennie on December 06, 2009, 04:23:04 PM
I'm sure it must be possible to modify an existing video by planting an image of Michael in it right? You know, the same way a pic can be photoshopped. Really I dont know anything about that stuff and wouldn't know where to begin to trick a photo or a vid but I would imagine it is easily do-able for someone who knows how. :?:
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Christiana on December 06, 2009, 11:59:07 PM
Let's keep in mind one very important fact: The video image is blurry, but the person who was looking through that gate could have seen that person (whom I do not believe was MJ) very clearly. If it was MJ, or if they even thought it was MJ, why did we never hear about it?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: pyt777 on December 08, 2009, 01:07:11 PM
Quote from: "Christiana"
Let's keep in mind one very important fact: The video image is blurry, but the person who was looking through that gate could have seen that person (whom I do not believe was MJ) very clearly. If it was MJ, or if they even thought it was MJ, why did we never hear about it?

 IDK guys, but let us say that the person is like me...when I am capturing a video of something, my eyes rarely leave the view finder (? I have no idea what that thing is called) so I basically only see what my camera picks up, that way I can adjust the lens to make the image clearer. So if the person was looking through the hole/gap with the camera they may not have seen very clearly after all.  The video moves pretty quickly so they may not have even seen what they picked up on it (in all that chaos), until after the incident when it was too late to go back and readjust (?).  I am not saying that it is Mike, that would be pretty ballsy of him...but he always was a pretty ballsy guy....
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Christiana on December 09, 2009, 02:45:17 AM
Quote from: "pyt777"
Quote from: "Christiana"
Let's keep in mind one very important fact: The video image is blurry, but the person who was looking through that gate could have seen that person (whom I do not believe was MJ) very clearly. If it was MJ, or if they even thought it was MJ, why did we never hear about it?

 IDK guys, but let us say that the person is like me...when I am capturing a video of something, my eyes rarely leave the view finder (? I have no idea what that thing is called) so I basically only see what my camera picks up, that way I can adjust the lens to make the image clearer. So if the person was looking through the hole/gap with the camera they may not have seen very clearly after all.  The video moves pretty quickly so they may not have even seen what they picked up on it (in all that chaos), until after the incident when it was too late to go back and readjust (?).  I am not saying that it is Mike, that would be pretty ballsy of him...but he always was a pretty ballsy guy....

I agree that it could be him...I just personally don't think it was. I don't see a reason for him to be out and about like that. That's why I don't believe any of the sightings...because if he's just galavanting around in public (even if in disguise like how some people believe he was with the kids at karate class), then the hoax is a giant JOKE! I believe this hoax was necessary. I believe his life was/is in danger. I believe he had no choice but to do this to ensure his own safety and the safety of his family. I don't believe he carried out the hoax to get a little vacation or plan for some gigantic comeback--that would make no sense to me. So, that being said, and believing as I do that MJ HAD to hoax his death, there is no possible way for me to justify or reconcile any suggestion that he is just out and about letting himself get photographed.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Lou on December 09, 2009, 06:34:17 PM
I agree with Christiana's opinion: if it's a hoax it's for a serious reason. Why would he keep standing outside waiting for someone to film/ photograph him? I don't think he would do it, but IDK.

Now about the 911 call. Do we have enough information to say without a doubt it was made from the hotel or not? Because if we had, it would be a major clue... I'm asking it because I didn't understand the part of "tracing the location".
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Happy Feet on December 09, 2009, 11:03:56 PM
Quote from: "Lou"
I agree with Christiana's opinion: if it's a hoax it's for a serious reason. Why would he keep standing outside waiting for someone to film/ photograph him? I don't think he would do it, but IDK.

Now about the 911 call. Do we have enough information to say without a doubt it was made from the hotel or not? Because if we had, it would be a major clue... I'm asking it because I didn't understand the part of "tracing the location".

I gave up on the 911 call because people started going off in tangents instead of the call itself. Have been looking into this further, but I'll just let this run it's course about the videos/climbing out the window/standing outside etc.. I guess. I have from the get-go believed the hoax is for serious reason too, particularly regarding Michael's  "fear of life" and some of the circles directly and indirectly involved with him and business deals. Posted that on the old MJKIT Forum.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Lou on December 10, 2009, 05:49:06 PM
Quote from: "Happy Feet"
Quote from: "Lou"
I agree with Christiana's opinion: if it's a hoax it's for a serious reason. Why would he keep standing outside waiting for someone to film/ photograph him? I don't think he would do it, but IDK.

Now about the 911 call. Do we have enough information to say without a doubt it was made from the hotel or not? Because if we had, it would be a major clue... I'm asking it because I didn't understand the part of "tracing the location".

I gave up on the 911 call because people started going off in tangents instead of the call itself. Have been looking into this further, but I'll just let this run it's course about the videos/climbing out the window/standing outside etc.. I guess. I have from the get-go believed the hoax is for serious reason too, particularly regarding Michael's  "fear of life" and some of the circles directly and indirectly involved with him and business deals. Posted that on the old MJKIT Forum.
Thank you for answering. Don't give up... I'll try to read again the explanations about the location and this things and if I understand this time (lol) I'll try to research it too.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Ninanina on December 27, 2009, 12:34:20 PM
Quote from: "SPAKKLE29FUL"
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "SPAKKLE29FUL"
okay i have something that is bothering me we know this alveraz man made the call,where is he now what is he doing ,has he vanished into thin air :?: i ask cos if mj is really dead wouldnt his story be worth mega bucks imagine the headlines my last hours with michael jackson.  :!: how is this man making a living thats what i need to know


Oh,, Im sure he's been made to keep his mouth shut. He probably knows alot more then anybody close to MJ. He could BE with MJ right now too....
SEE AND THEY WANT US TO BELIEVE MJ IS DEAD IM NOT THAT STUPID YET :!:

And WHO made him to keep his mouth shut?
His lawyer stated, that he, Alvarez and another bodyguard had TWO appointments with LAPD.
First time, it was cancelled, second time they went there to find nobody to speak to them (or the other way around...)!
They nearly had to BEG for being heard!!!

Read both articles on that page: http://www.radaronline.com/category/tag ... to-alvarez (http://www.radaronline.com/category/tags/alberto-alvarez)
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: simplyme on December 28, 2009, 08:53:36 PM
Quote from: "SPAKKLE29FUL"
okay i have something that is bothering me we know this alveraz man made the call,where is he now what is he doing ,has he vanished into thin air :?: i ask cos if mj is really dead wouldnt his story be worth mega bucks imagine the headlines my last hours with michael jackson.  :!: how is this man making a living thats what i need to know


Mr. Alvarez was really bummed out.  You could see that clearly at the funeral.  I think he cared about Michael and maybe someday he will tell his story but I wouldn't hold my breath...I'd rather he didn't.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: MashMike on December 29, 2009, 10:10:52 AM
I absolutely agree with Cristiana,from the very beginning i was almost sure and still i'm sure that Michael had very serious reasons to this hoax,it's not cause of any debts,money, comeback or piar,ha has several times claimed that he was threatened,he was afraid of his own life and the life of his children,i think that he had to fake his death,really had to, otherwhise he would be killed or smth terrible would have happened to him(OMG),that's why all these sightings are unacceptable for me(except the horror movie night cause i'm almost sure it was him,i've been his obssessed fan since my very childhood and i know by heart his gestures,the groove of his walk,manners),so i absolutely don't believe that it was him trying to get out of the window,those clues that he has left and that seem to be slip-ups,i relly think they are hints for his real fans to catch them,to realize that he is be alive and not to worry so much,now he might be there where noone can see him (IMO except his children from time to time),deserted and not in the spotlight.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: KingMJ on December 29, 2009, 11:09:57 AM
This is so confusing, I just want to make sure I'm getting this right... in the video the ambulance is in the drive of MJ's home and also a black car like MJ's also drove in?  I don't know what to make of it, the video is really bad quality and as much as I'd love it to be Michael, it could technically be anyone.

My minds running overtime... was the call made from the hotel? was the ambulance inside the drive for however long it was before they left for the hospital, because they really were inside the house trying to revive michael, or was it in the drive whilst they (including MJ) prepared the image we were later to see (ie. the photo of michael or someone who looks like him in the back with the paramedics?)  I don't know the set up of the holmby hills mansion, like how much u can see through the gates etc., but is there a chance that Michael thought he couldn't be seen and was simply carrying out his plan, making sure everything was going right, before he either escaped in the other car, or 'took his position' in the ambulance?  

Or is there a simple explanation, like the black car arriving was just one of MJ's people turning up to see what was happening after hearing about the ambulance being there??
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: mirandacnc on December 29, 2009, 01:43:37 PM
but someone had to call from the land line because the address to the house was on the screen and noone gave an address right????????also does anyone know if murray was there when the ambulance arrived?? did he ride with them or follow??
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Christiana on December 29, 2009, 01:53:16 PM
Quote from: "mirandacnc"
but someone had to call from the land line because the address to the house was on the screen and noone gave an address right????????also does anyone know if murray was there when the ambulance arrived?? did he ride with them or follow??

All we "know" is what we've been told. We have been told that Murray was indeed there when the ambulance arrived. We have been told that Alberto Alvarez made the 911 call and that he DID give the address of 100 North Carolwood Drive. That was clearly in the 911 call. And we have been told that Murray rode to the hospital with the ambulance.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: mirandacnc on December 29, 2009, 02:01:29 PM
Quote from: "Christiana"
Quote from: "mirandacnc"
but someone had to call from the land line because the address to the house was on the screen and noone gave an address right????????also does anyone know if murray was there when the ambulance arrived?? did he ride with them or follow??

All we "know" is what we've been told. We have been told that Murray was indeed there when the ambulance arrived. We have been told that Alberto Alvarez made the 911 call and that he DID give the address of 100 North Carolwood Drive. That was clearly in the 911 call. And we have been told that Murray rode to the hospital with the ambulance.

hmmm...thanks christiana!!!
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: mirandacnc on December 29, 2009, 02:02:47 PM
so we should see murray on the video of when the ambulance arrives at the hospital!!!!
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Christiana on December 29, 2009, 02:25:29 PM
Quote from: "mirandacnc"
so we should see murray on the video of when the ambulance arrives at the hospital!!!!

What video do we have of the ambulance arriving at the hospital? All I have ever seen is the photos of the stretcher going into the hospital, with ambulance being parked close by, and Murray is on the left in those photos going into the hospital, along with all the other guys in the photo. There is also a VERY, VERY short video clip of the opposite side of the ambulance, showing the stretcher and those other men entering the doors. (This clip shows the photos, in sequence, first; then the short, slow-mo video-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faG0YjpRbNs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faG0YjpRbNs)) You can't see Murray in the video though, due to angle of the shot (OK, well, you can see his head, but that's it). But I have not seen any other video of the ambulance arriving at the hospital.

What we have been told is that the paparazzi followed the ambulance to the hospital. The ambulance would have arrived first, and the paps would have needed time to get their cameras and start filming (I'm sure they had to park elsewhere too, as they would not have been allowed to park in the ambulance bay). I don't think they would have had time to film the ambulance actually arriving there, which is why we have just seen primarily the still photos, and then that one very brief video shot from the other side of the ambulance.

 Are you saying there is another video showing the ambulance arriving?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: adventureland on December 29, 2009, 04:33:55 PM
I have only this video http://www.snackfeed.com/videos/detail/ ... 304897c9c6 (http://www.snackfeed.com/videos/detail/e87dac8a-b850-102c-a0c9-00304897c9c6) (watch at 1:30).
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: dancingprincess96 on December 29, 2009, 05:15:20 PM
wait guys, who can say tht its not MJ.
if the film ws in the ambulance, how do we know tht they are outside the gates?
if its a Mj's black car in the background (as someones said) it might have been inside the gates where his car was.
if might have been taken before the ambulance got out the gates.
make sense? :D

BUT why are they taking a video in the ambulance in the first place?
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Christiana on December 29, 2009, 07:33:09 PM
Quote from: "adventureland"
I have only this video http://www.snackfeed.com/videos/detail/ ... 304897c9c6 (http://www.snackfeed.com/videos/detail/e87dac8a-b850-102c-a0c9-00304897c9c6) (watch at 1:30).

OK, seen that video before, but it doesn't show us the ambulance arriving at UCLA. It shows us the ambulance (and firetruck) parked at UCLA.
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: mirandacnc on December 29, 2009, 09:35:41 PM
i was referring to the pics of the stretcher...i had never noticed murray  be4
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Whitesocks on December 30, 2009, 07:07:09 AM
Registered Agent
Name: BUTLER, CHARLES J
Title: REGISTERED AGENT
registered agent address 6255 W SUNSET BLVD STE 716
LOS ANGELES, CA 90028-9733

He stayed at thit address. Could be the hotel..he might be the one who made that call
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: Ninanina on December 30, 2009, 08:17:29 AM
There's this footage of the ambulance arriving at UCLA including an animated photo series:

[youtube:21vb7vw1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faG0YjpRbNs[/youtube:21vb7vw1]

The tall black guy on the left (with the beige trousers and white T-shirt) is supposed to be Murray.


The video with "Michael" taken through the firetruck window to me rather looks like someone helping to shove the stretcher to the ambulance or helping with something else. After he steps back, it looks like there's a stretcher. But - it's sooo blurry. Actually I can't see anything...
Title: Re: 911 Call made from Hotel
Post by: mirandacnc on December 30, 2009, 10:39:06 AM
Quote from: "Ninanina"
There's this footage of the ambulance arriving at UCLA including an animated photo series:

[youtube:2n9qkole]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faG0YjpRbNs[/youtube:2n9qkole]

The tall black guy on the left (with the beige trousers and white T-shirt) is supposed to be Murray.


The video with "Michael" taken through the firetruck window to me rather looks like someone helping to shove the stretcher to the ambulance or helping with something else. After he steps back, it looks like there's a stretcher. But - it's sooo blurry. Actually I can't see anything...

wow real professional dr.murray!!!!