Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: FactFinderMJ on February 09, 2010, 11:50:32 PM
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Inmate records states he is still in custody but location is UNKNOWN!!!!
Per VINELINK inmate information
Offender Record
Offender ID:
2222243
Offender Name:
CONRAD ROBERT MURRAY
Date of Birth:
02/19/1953
Age:
56
Custody Status:
In Custody
Location of Offender:
Unknown
Race:
Black
Gender:
Male
ALSO LA County records show no release and NO BAIL was paid????
http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm (http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm)
So is the dude in jail still or has he disappeared???? What in the world is going on here?
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What?!?
I'm sorry this is just a complete circus now. No one can convince me that Chernoff didn't post bail for his client. THERE WAS A BAIL BONDSMAN PRESENT.
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yea I know and the information is current as of
(The information was current as of: 02/09/2010 21:36 PST).
I'm friggin lost on this case..lol NOTHING adds up!
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no bail = jail right? Where is Murray?
And I thought I had learned it all...
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Yeah no, this is a total discrepancy, Murray posted bail and walked out free on bond.
Wtf is going on with these public records.
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vinelink updates every few hours. it has victim notification service so if custody status changes they email or call you within a few hours of custody status changes and the website states he is still in custody! You all can sign up for email or phone notification of custody changes. This website service is very reliable as my family and i use it to keep up on status of my sisters ex husband who is jailed. They even notify you on probation status if you are registered!
Has anyone seen a pic or anything of him leaving the courthouse/jail yesterday? If so will u post links?
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oh myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
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umm...ok im completely lost right now with all the crazyness surrounding murray...can someone please help me catch back up on wtf is going on! is he in jail or isnt he? everything seems to be so hectic and chaotic...whats going on lol im lost :?
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He posted bond and got out...look at the bottom of this screenshot...
http://i47.tinypic.com/21ewxtd.jpg (http://i47.tinypic.com/21ewxtd.jpg)
A lot of times when looking at records like this, especially online, it's not very complete. I know...I've looked up police records of some people I know :?
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I just don't feel he was released! No pics of him leaving.. website has no release info and vinelink states in custody! So we will see I guess. I'm signed up for status notifications!
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He left via the basement from what I heard. Makes sense. Would you want to exit the front with that angry mob outside waiting?
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/ja ... -1.1749899 (http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/jackson-doctor-out-on-bail-back-for-april-hearing-1.1749899)
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LOL hell no I wouldn't!! But i'd be more convinced if he wasn't listed on the county jail roster as in custody! Things that make ya go hmmmmmmmm?
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Okay this tell us that something is up because this report is telling us he's in jail but it's being reported that he posted bail. Somebody is lying and covering up something for a reason. Is Murray being protected for a reason?
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He left via the basement from what I heard. Makes sense. Would you want to exit the front with that angry mob outside waiting?
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/ja ... -1.1749899 (http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/jackson-doctor-out-on-bail-back-for-april-hearing-1.1749899)
That makes sense...he definitely didn't leave through either of the main exits. The press was everywhere.
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I know his location.........He s havin a cup of tea with Mike and tellin' him "Look dude.....I cant carry on with this little hoaxey thang anymore......Just show yourself" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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The point is that it is totally different from the "fake" screenshot that TMZ put out.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/08/dr-conrad ... raignment/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/08/dr-conrad-murray-booked-arrested-michael-jackson-arraignment/)
Their screenshot shows bail amount $75,000, grand total $75,000.
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I know his location.........He s havin a cup of tea with Mike and tellin' him "Look dude.....I cant carry on with this little hoaxey thang anymore......Just show yourself" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: I wonder if he paid with the money on which there's a Gilda picture on or maybe he paid it with Monopoly money :lol: :lol: :lol:
Or he never paid it since why he needs to pay a bail for a hoax? :D
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Pail a bail for a hoax ? :lol:
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I don´t get it.... where that money come from anyway??
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Request:
As we outside of the U.S. do not understand your jurisdiction system, we will need some help of especially you folks in CA to understand what is going on. Even some vocabulary used would need explanation to us "strangers". Thx in advance!
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I paled reading about Murray in this context.
How far will this be taken?
How can it be that personal data of suspected persons or inmates or persons under whatsoever accusal are officially provided by authorities to circulate in the web?
This is huge. I mean, this is really a huge violation of personal rights.
I am out of words.
Not only that you can get your lover located by his mobile phone number, you can find all kind of personal data in the web just by official public access or by pretending you needed the data from authorities? Just by typing "captcha" characters to identify you are a living person not a web robot?
Hello????
I don't want to imagine what else we will be presented in the next weeks. This is REALLY huge.
Could it be that MJ would be profiting from some hundreds of die-hard believers not leaving a single stone unturned to UNVEIL the grey or black details of the CA jurisdiction system from that he had to suffer?
He would have details published in the web that NOBODY before found interesting enough to even look at or that CA residents would find quite normal whereas the world would be questioning.
He would create witnesses, speakers, activists, megaphones by that, multiplying his silenced efforts of ever getting heard.
Could it be that we will be presented all kinds of twists and knots and shadows of all kinds of systems bashing CM who could be undergoing a real horror trip?
Are we prepared for this horror trip?
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I know his location.........He s havin a cup of tea with Mike and tellin' him "Look dude.....I cant carry on with this little hoaxey thang anymore......Just show yourself" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :lol: loooooooooooooooool
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The way bail works is you pay 10% of the total. That money is refunded if you are found not guilty.
So Murray would have paid only $7500 to walk free on bond. Really, it's paid by the bail bondsman who is paid back by the lawyers and the amount is added to the bill for lawyers fees. How Murray is paying lawyers fees is a good question... but I think the answer is obvious lol.
And yes Grace, once you are arrested and charged with a crime, in the US, it is considered that you no longer have any right to privacy, as this information becomes one of public record. Further, once you are convicted of a fellony in the US you lose all of your inalienable rights granted under the Bill of Rights in the constitution, including the right to vote, even after you satisfy your sentence and walk free.
Consider that for all those wrongfully and falsely convicted by our justice system. Refer to lyrics of TDCAU, yet again.
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I wondered if this was what had happened. The thing that bugged me, was that we never saw him leaving, and no "pap" photos since.
We saw the press conferences, the family leaving and then the legal team leaving. The live feed showed one interesting point.. after the legal team left, they zoomed in on his car which was still there. ( the white one that he arrived in)
I would have thought that his legal team would not have left till everything was sorted out and before Dr Murray.
Could it be that he is in protective custody in a "safe" house or something?
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This is from Lisa Burks Forum
Outside Conrad Murray's Day in Court http://bit.ly/acofsp (http://bit.ly/acofsp)
photos from the day here on Flickr.
Murray's white vehicle, which had been parked behind the Jackson family caravan after his arrival, sped away without him in it while media further scrambled to find out where he exited the building. Never did see him go.
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If he is supposed to be in custody, how come he can go back to Houston and still practice medicine?
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He's not in custody...he posted bail so he is a free man for the moment. He just cannot leave the country because they made him surrender his passport.
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He posted bond and got out...look at the bottom of this screenshot...
http://i47.tinypic.com/21ewxtd.jpg (http://i47.tinypic.com/21ewxtd.jpg)
A lot of times when looking at records like this, especially online, it's not very complete. I know...I've looked up police records of some people I know :?
If you look at the Housing section, it says CSD.
Doesn't this mean County Sherriffs dept or County State detention??
This tells me that he is in custody and not free on bail, but for his "protection" they have a block on location information.
Also the visitor status is N which I assume is for no. So, he is not allowed any visitation... hence his message to pray for his family.
This is the inmate dept
http://www.lasd.org/lasd_services/custo ... stody.html (http://www.lasd.org/lasd_services/custody-services/custody.html)
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I'm sure I read previously CM is the same age as MJ? I remember, because I thought to myself it's a weird coincidence!
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what does it take to convince people that the LAPD & the DA"S office is corrupt . HELLO !
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" With such confusion don't you make you wanna SCREAM ????????"(http://gfxlovers.com/smilies/imgs/angry/angry014.gif) (http://gfxlovers.com/smilies)
I definately beleive that CM is under protection ! There are so many insane peope out there !
Who would put in danger CM life and risk the whole hoax to collapse ?
At the other hand , TMZ paps are everywhere , even next to his coffee table !
Where are they now ? They just forgot to cover the back door ???
Really ????(http://gfxlovers.com/smilies/imgs/angry/angry012.gif) (http://gfxlovers.com/smilies)
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hmm... with all those crazy fans out there baying for Murrays blood i dont think its safe for him to be "free" in my opinion. It makes more sence for him to be in some kind of "safe house". I wonder ,after all this is done if Murray will go into some kind of witness protection program ...to help him disppear :?: Lets face it, Murrays life will never be the same again...nothing will be like it was before 25th June.
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The timing seems to be crucial here.
In accordance to the recording that was fed to the media (TMZ), he was booked in at 1438 and bail was set at 75K.
35 minutes later, things change and another form has been filled saying no bail, permanent housing has been assigned at 3.13pm at CSD with no visitation.( and there is information for the public to call on this section) No information on release ( if he had been released on bail, there would have been something there).
I think he is in a detention center 100 percent now.
Could it be that another private hearing took place with the judge and the attorneys saying Dr Murray would be safer in custody than free on bail whilst the prerecording was aired to the media??
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Ok, So I googled csd and inmate and this is what I found:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 045AAX0d0F (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080111141045AAX0d0F)
The guy that was with him with an earpiece... was he definately a bondsman?? Looked like the men who used to guard MJ and the president to me.
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hmm... with all those crazy fans out there baying for Murrays blood i dont think its safe for him to be "free" in my opinion. It makes more sence for him to be in some kind of "safe house". I wonder ,after all this is done if Murray will go into some kind of witness protection program ...to help him disppear :?: Lets face it, Murrays life will never be the same again...nothing will be like it was before 25th June.
I think you are right there. Dr Murray probably knows too much of what actually happened and is a key to the puzzle, hence the need for protection.
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since when do you get booked at the courthouse anyways.
you get booked at the police department or police preceinct.
The laPd isnt located at the airport court.
Theres no way he was"booked"
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Inmate records states he is still in custody but location is UNKNOWN!!!!
Per VINELINK inmate information
Offender Record
Offender ID:
2222243
Offender Name:
CONRAD ROBERT MURRAY
Date of Birth:
02/19/1953
Age:
56
Custody Status:
In Custody
Location of Offender:
Unknown
Race:
Black
Gender:
Male
ALSO LA County records show no release and NO BAIL was paid????
http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm (http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm)
So is the dude in jail still or has he disappeared???? What in the world is going on here?
You can't count on those sites for accurate info. The info is only as good as the person that bothers to put in the info and do it accurately. The LAPD press release info states that someone came forward with charges [the unspeakable ] against Michael in 2004 - by the end of the investigation they decided that no charges would be filed. Now that was a twilight zone moment when I read that. Clearly charges were filed.
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I looked for some info on the judge.
This is what i found...
http://www.courthouseforum.com/forums/f ... ?id=133779 (http://www.courthouseforum.com/forums/forum.php?id=133779)
Do you not think it strange that there are NO posts what so ever considering the high profile case that he is involved in??
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I looked for some info on the judge.
This is what i found...
http://www.courthouseforum.com/forums/f ... ?id=133779 (http://www.courthouseforum.com/forums/forum.php?id=133779)
Do you not think it strange that there are NO posts what so ever considering the high profile case that he is involved in??
Weird.. totally empty!
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Could it be that LAX airport courthouse was chosen because
1) sb needed to fly in (as *Michael...LOVE* said on LKL blog: the heli is flying in)
2) sb needed to fly out
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Is there a heliport on the roof of this courthouse?
Is this why no Murray came out the doors because he left through air?
And again this does not get out of my mind:
*Michael...LOVE* said that he was already in the courtroom blogging from there.
Who in the courtroom could have been *Michael...LOVE* ?
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Hmmm bail surrendering passport just like Michael, the searches of Murrays office, home and storages just like Neverland but way less cops lol. I think I am going to go back over Michaels trial stuff and see if anymore links are there I think Bec nailed this on the head there are a few messages here I think just have to figure it out off to work then.
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Didn't Murray sent a tweet yesterday or the day before? Where is he tweeting from?
It is interesting that all of the stations were reporting the charges, etc.....but didn't follow Murray! They only said that he would go back to Houston OR LV. I wonder why the papparazi didn't go to the baby-momma's house to sit and wait for him.
We need to send out an APB......WHERE IS MURRAY???????????????????????????????? No flight risk? Don't be so sure.....he could be back on the island, sipping a bahama-momma for all we know!
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Didn't they say in court that he has only been to Grenada to visit his mother when they were discussing the flight risk?
Isn't there a picture of him in Trinidad promoting a drink, bare chested???
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Could it be that LAX airport courthouse was chosen because
1) sb needed to fly in (as *Michael...LOVE* said on LKL blog: the heli is flying in)
2) sb needed to fly out
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Is there a heliport on the roof of this courthouse?
Is this why no Murray came out the doors because he left through air?
And again this does not get out of my mind:
*Michael...LOVE* said that he was already in the courtroom blogging from there.
Who in the courtroom could have been *Michael...LOVE* ?
Grace,
This gives you info about the courthouse.
No helipad according to this site.
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/location ... &d=General (http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/locations/ui/location.aspx?loc=LAX&tab=1&d=General)
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bestforlast, thank you.
I would look at it as a heliport on the roof:
[attachment=0:1m9uatfe]LAX_courthouse_greenshot_2010-02-10_18-50-51.jpg[/attachment:1m9uatfe]
[attachment=1:1m9uatfe]LAX_courthouse_greenshot_2010-02-10_18-51-51.jpg[/attachment:1m9uatfe]
The link gave some additional indications on the calendar:
Judicial Holidays
(so we do not fall in a trap about this ;-), some are the cross-marked dates from the video)
Friday February 12, 2010 Lincoln Day
Monday February 15, 2010 President's Day
Wednesday February 17, 2010 Court Closure
Wednesday March 17, 2010 Court Closure
Wednesday March 31, 2010 Cesar Chavez Day
Wednesday April 21, 2010 Court Closure
Wednesday May 19, 2010 Court Closure
Monday May 31, 2010 Memorial Day
Wednesday June 16, 2010 Court Closure
Monday July 05, 2010 Independence Day
Monday September 06, 2010 Labor Day
Monday October 11, 2010 Columbus Day
Thursday November 11, 2010 Veterans Day
Thursday November 25, 2010 Thanksgiving Day
Friday November 26, 2010 Day after Thanksgiving
Friday December 24, 2010 Christmas Day
Friday December 31, 2010 New Year's Day (2011)
Monday January 17, 2011 Martin Luther King, Jr. Birthday
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bestforlast, thank you.
I would look at it as a heliport on the roof:
[attachment=0:21640dx1]LAX_courthouse_greenshot_2010-02-10_18-50-51.jpg[/attachment:21640dx1]
[attachment=1:21640dx1]LAX_courthouse_greenshot_2010-02-10_18-51-51.jpg[/attachment:21640dx1]
The link gave some additional indications on the calendar:
Judicial Holidays
(so we do not fall in a trap about this ;-), some are the cross-marked dates from the video)
Friday February 12, 2010 Lincoln Day
Monday February 15, 2010 President's Day
Wednesday February 17, 2010 Court Closure
Wednesday March 17, 2010 Court Closure
Wednesday March 31, 2010 Cesar Chavez Day
Wednesday April 21, 2010 Court Closure
Wednesday May 19, 2010 Court Closure
Monday May 31, 2010 Memorial Day
Wednesday June 16, 2010 Court Closure
Monday July 05, 2010 Independence Day
Monday September 06, 2010 Labor Day
Monday October 11, 2010 Columbus Day
Thursday November 11, 2010 Veterans Day
Thursday November 25, 2010 Thanksgiving Day
Friday November 26, 2010 Day after Thanksgiving
Friday December 24, 2010 Christmas Day
Friday December 31, 2010 New Year's Day (2011)
Monday January 17, 2011 Martin Luther King, Jr. Birthday
Hmm very interesting Grace, I didn't look at the pictures, just the information. I figured they would advertise that sort of facility.
It does look like one doesn't it? But then, why didn't the media in the helicopters spot or more to the point photograph anything?? Not like the paps to miss an opportunity like that! :D
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When I got arrested, my information on the website wasn't complete. It didn't show how much I was bailed out for and it didn't show me how much my bail was at first. It updates and sometimes some information can be withheld from public viewing to protect the defendant.
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When I got arrested, my information on the website wasn't complete. It didn't show how much I was bailed out for and it didn't show me how much my bail was at first. It updates and sometimes some information can be withheld from public viewing to protect the defendant.
I think you are right about wanting to protect the defendant. Sorry you got arrested.
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I think this "booking" is interesting.
I looked at the case number
(http://i47.tinypic.com/21ewxtd.jpg)
It begins with SA so I thought I would check the website.
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/location ... atrix.aspx (http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/locations/locCaseNumMatrix.aspx)
I can find the meaning of the first letter S but not the A. Would someone have another look for me incase I am missing something please?
Also I find it interesting that according to Chernoff website, the legal firm specialises in cases involving drink driving.
http://www.dwi-houstoncriminallaw.com/C ... rnoff.html (http://www.dwi-houstoncriminallaw.com/CM/Attorneys/Edward-M-Chernoff.html)
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I told you a couple months ago that if Murray was indeed arrested, he would probably not serve any time for turning state witness.
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This is interesting and hopefully will explain the procedure.
Felony
Felony crimes are punishable by a state prison term or death. Common examples of felony crimes are murder, possession of dangerous drugs for sale, robbery and rape.
The processing of a felony usually follows this order:
* An arrest is made - police take the defendant to jail. Three things can happen:
o The defendant is released - no charges are filed.
o The defendant posts bail/bond or is released on his/her own recognizance ("O.R.") and is scheduled for arraignment.
o The defendant remains in the custody of the law enforcement agency and is transported to Court for arraignment.
* Arraignment
A felony arraignment on the complaint is the defendant's first Court appearance. The following events occur:
1. The defendant is informed of the charges against him or her.
2. The defendant is advised of his or her constitutional rights.
3. If the defendant cannot afford an attorney of his or her own choice, an attorney is appointed by the Court.
4. The defendant enters a plea of guilty, not guilty or no contest.
o Not Guilty:The defendant states that he or she did not commit the crime.
o Guilty:The defendant admits that he or she committed the crime and is in effect convicted.
o No Contest:Also known as "Nolo Contendere." The defendant does not contest the charge. This plea has the same effect as a guilty plea, except that the subsequent conviction cannot be used against the defendant as evidence of liability in a civil suit.
5. The Court sets bail and the defendant is remanded to custody, or the defendant is released on his or her "Own Recognizance" or "O.R."
* Preliminary Hearing
A preliminary hearing is held to determine if there is sufficient evidence that the defendant committed the crime and should therefore be "held over" for trial.
Once a defendant is "held to answer," the prosecuting agency files a document called the Information. The defendant will subsequently be arraigned on the Information at which time he or she will enter a plea and proceed to trial.
* Jury Trial
Section 1382 of the Penal Code specifies the time periods within which a defendant charged with a felony must be brought to trial.
The Information must be filed within 15 days of the date the defendant was "held to answer" at the preliminary hearing.
The trial must begin within 60 days of the arraignment on the Information, unless the defendant enters a general waiver of the statutory time requirement or requests/consents to a date beyond the 60-day period.
Before a trial can begin, the attorneys must select a jury. During the trial, witnesses may testify and evidence will be presented. At the conclusion of the trial, the jury must decide if the defendant is guilty or not guilty. If the jury finds the defendant is not guilty, he or she is released and cannot be tried again for the same crime. If the defendant is found guilty, the case will be continued for sentencing, or the defendant may be sentenced immediately. The defendant may appeal a conviction to the Appellate Department of the Superior Court.
* Court Trial
In lieu of a jury trial, the defendant may agree to proceed with a court trial, in which the judge hears the evidence and arguments and finds the defendant guilty or not guilty.
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/criminal/ (http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/criminal/)
This is interesting too
It confirms that dep 144 is to do with felonies and Judge Schwartz belongs to dept 144 at LAX courthouse.
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/criminal ... gguide.pdf (http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/criminal/pdf/bailoutcitingguide.pdf)
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Guidelines are as follows from California state bar
Arrest warrant issued
Arrest or surrender takes place
booking
Arraignment
IN THAT ORDER and we did not see that. He was arraigned before he was arrested and booked? HMMMMMMMMMM? anyone here know of anyone going to court before being booked?
I'd think that would be enough to have the court case thrown out for courts not following procedure??
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There has been no arrest warrant made public but I think the procedure has been followed or else the attornies would have done something by now.
Voiceforthesilent said this on another thread.
"And Dr Murray wasn't formally arrested. He "forced" a turn-in to the police - at the courthouse, not the police station, right? Was he even fingerprinted? All "accused" felons are required to be fingerprinted. If he doesn't have a mug shot then he probably didn't get fingerprinted either?"
So
1.if he is helping a dept like the FBI for example, then a deal could have been made and he turned up as he did. ( the LA sherriffs were at his house at some point last week weren't they?)
2. He is under some sort of danger and the safest place for him would be in protective custody.
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uuhhmmm didn't they say on monday that the courtdate would be the 5th of april?? that's one day after Easter
but when i look at the info it says courtdate 4th of april :shock: that's a sunday
Oh well it's a sunday here in the Netherlands and ur courts are not openend on a Sunday :mrgreen:
soooooooo am i missing something or what??
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:o WTH?? i watched this on sky news, he left court after being told he wasnt to sedate people he was escorted away..... well as far as my heart goes he is in hiding again, this court stuff was either media rubbish or the goverment is in on it
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He posted bond and got out...look at the bottom of this screenshot...
http://i47.tinypic.com/21ewxtd.jpg (http://i47.tinypic.com/21ewxtd.jpg)
A lot of times when looking at records like this, especially online, it's not very complete. I know...I've looked up police records of some people I know :?
scary you need to know some better pp :o
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I know his location.........He s havin a cup of tea with Mike and tellin' him "Look dude.....I cant carry on with this little hoaxey thang anymore......Just show yourself" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :lol: loooooooooooooooool
haha, really?
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(The information was current as of: 02/10/2010 15:55 PST)
Booking No.: 2222243 Last Name: MURRAY First Name: CONRAD Middle Name: ROBERT
Sex: M Race: B Date Of Birth: 02/19/1953 Age: 56 Hair: BRO Eyes: BRO Height: 605 Weight: 220
Charge Level:
ARREST
Arrest Date: 02/08/2010 Arrest Time: 1420 Arrest Agency: 4474 Agency Description: LASD - CSD AIRPORT LOCKUP
Date Booked: 02/08/2010 Time Booked: 1438 Booking Location: LAXL Location Description: CRT - AIRPORT BRANCH, LA MUNI LOCKU
BAIL
Total Bail Amount: 0 Total Hold Bail Amount: 0.00 Grand Total: 0.00
HOUSING LOCATION
Housing Location: CSD
Permanent Housing Assigned Date: 02/08/2010 Assigned Time: 1513 Visitor Status: N
Facility:
Address: City:
Public Visiting Guidelines
For County facility visiting hours, Please call (213) 473-6080 at Inmate Information Center.
COURT
Next Court Code: S100 Next Court Date: 04/05/2010 Next Court Time: 0830 Next Court Case: SA07316401
Court Name: L A SUPERIOR COURT DEPT 100
Court Address: 210 W. TEMPLE STREET Court City: LOS ANGELESUPT
RELEASE
No Information On Release Date.
CASE INFORMATION
Case No. Court Name Court Address Court City Bail Amt. Fine Amt. Court Date Sent. Date Sent. Day(s) Disp Code
SA07316401 LAX LA MUNI COURT DIV 144 11701 S. LA CIENEGA BLVD. LOS ANGELESUPT 0 .00 04/05/2010 02/08/2010 0 BOND
Click on specific Case No. for detailed information.
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This is a bit stranger yet.. Just for SH_ts and gigles... I typed in Michaels Name... about a dozen entries came back... one was Michael Joseph Jackson... different B-Day but what the heck... another came up with a simular b-day but no middle name I clicked on both booking numbers and they came up different names... Not that I thought Mike would be in jail or anything, but protective custudy? I thought it was worth 30 seconds... does not make sense.
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I WANT TO SEE A MUGSHOT!
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uuhhmmm didn't they say on monday that the courtdate would be the 5th of april?? that's one day after Easter
but when i look at the info it says courtdate 4th of april :shock: that's a sunday
Oh well it's a sunday here in the Netherlands and ur courts are not openend on a Sunday :mrgreen:
soooooooo am i missing something or what??
it's official i'm losing it....
in the USA it's first month and then the date...so it's the 5th of april sorry guys :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
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(The information was current as of: 02/10/2010 15:55 PST)
Booking No.: 2222243 Last Name: MURRAY First Name: CONRAD Middle Name: ROBERT
Sex: M Race: B Date Of Birth: 02/19/1953 Age: 56 Hair: BRO Eyes: BRO Height: 605 Weight: 220
Charge Level:
ARREST
Arrest Date: 02/08/2010 Arrest Time: 1420 Arrest Agency: 4474 Agency Description: LASD - CSD AIRPORT LOCKUP
Date Booked: 02/08/2010 Time Booked: 1438 Booking Location: LAXL Location Description: CRT - AIRPORT BRANCH, LA MUNI LOCKU
BAIL
Total Bail Amount: 0 Total Hold Bail Amount: 0.00 Grand Total: 0.00
HOUSING LOCATION
Housing Location: CSD
Permanent Housing Assigned Date: 02/08/2010 Assigned Time: 1513 Visitor Status: N
Facility:
Address: City:
Public Visiting Guidelines
For County facility visiting hours, Please call (213) 473-6080 at Inmate Information Center.
COURT
Next Court Code: S100 Next Court Date: 04/05/2010 Next Court Time: 0830 Next Court Case: SA07316401
Court Name: L A SUPERIOR COURT DEPT 100
Court Address: 210 W. TEMPLE STREET Court City: LOS ANGELESUPT
RELEASE
No Information On Release Date.
CASE INFORMATION
Case No. Court Name Court Address Court City Bail Amt. Fine Amt. Court Date Sent. Date Sent. Day(s) Disp Code
SA07316401 LAX LA MUNI COURT DIV 144 11701 S. LA CIENEGA BLVD. LOS ANGELESUPT 0 .00 04/05/2010 02/08/2010 0 BOND
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So according to this then, he is still in custody then? If you were released on bail wouldn;t it be written?
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(The information was current as of: 02/10/2010 15:55 PST)
Booking No.: 2222243 Last Name: MURRAY First Name: CONRAD Middle Name: ROBERT
Sex: M Race: B Date Of Birth: 02/19/1953 Age: 56 Hair: BRO Eyes: BRO Height: 605 Weight: 220
Charge Level:
ARREST
Arrest Date: 02/08/2010 Arrest Time: 1420 Arrest Agency: 4474 Agency Description: LASD - CSD AIRPORT LOCKUP
Date Booked: 02/08/2010 Time Booked: 1438 Booking Location: LAXL Location Description: CRT - AIRPORT BRANCH, LA MUNI LOCKU
BAIL
Total Bail Amount: 0 Total Hold Bail Amount: 0.00 Grand Total: 0.00
HOUSING LOCATION
Housing Location: CSD
Permanent Housing Assigned Date: 02/08/2010 Assigned Time: 1513 Visitor Status: N
Facility:
Address: City:
Public Visiting Guidelines
For County facility visiting hours, Please call (213) 473-6080 at Inmate Information Center.
COURT
Next Court Code: S100 Next Court Date: 04/05/2010 Next Court Time: 0830 Next Court Case: SA07316401
Court Name: L A SUPERIOR COURT DEPT 100
Court Address: 210 W. TEMPLE STREET Court City: LOS ANGELESUPT
RELEASE
No Information On Release Date.
CASE INFORMATION
Case No. Court Name Court Address Court City Bail Amt. Fine Amt. Court Date Sent. Date Sent. Day(s) Disp Code
SA07316401 LAX LA MUNI COURT DIV 144 11701 S. LA CIENEGA BLVD. LOS ANGELESUPT 0 .00 04/05/2010 02/08/2010 0 BOND
Click on specific Case No. for detailed information.
So according to this then, he is still in custody then? If you were released on bail wouldn;t it be written?
I would think so!
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This is interesting and hopefully will explain the procedure.
Felony
Felony crimes are punishable by a state prison term or death. Common examples of felony crimes are murder, possession of dangerous drugs for sale, robbery and rape.
The processing of a felony usually follows this order:
* An arrest is made - police take the defendant to jail. Three things can happen:
o The defendant is released - no charges are filed.
o The defendant posts bail/bond or is released on his/her own recognizance ("O.R.") and is scheduled for arraignment.
o The defendant remains in the custody of the law enforcement agency and is transported to Court for arraignment.
* Arraignment
A felony arraignment on the complaint is the defendant's first Court appearance. The following events occur:
1. The defendant is informed of the charges against him or her.
2. The defendant is advised of his or her constitutional rights.
3. If the defendant cannot afford an attorney of his or her own choice, an attorney is appointed by the Court.
4. The defendant enters a plea of guilty, not guilty or no contest.
o Not Guilty:The defendant states that he or she did not commit the crime.
o Guilty:The defendant admits that he or she committed the crime and is in effect convicted.
o No Contest:Also known as "Nolo Contendere." The defendant does not contest the charge. This plea has the same effect as a guilty plea, except that the subsequent conviction cannot be used against the defendant as evidence of liability in a civil suit.
5. The Court sets bail and the defendant is remanded to custody, or the defendant is released on his or her "Own Recognizance" or "O.R."
* Preliminary Hearing
A preliminary hearing is held to determine if there is sufficient evidence that the defendant committed the crime and should therefore be "held over" for trial.
Once a defendant is "held to answer," the prosecuting agency files a document called the Information. The defendant will subsequently be arraigned on the Information at which time he or she will enter a plea and proceed to trial.
* Jury Trial
Section 1382 of the Penal Code specifies the time periods within which a defendant charged with a felony must be brought to trial.
The Information must be filed within 15 days of the date the defendant was "held to answer" at the preliminary hearing.
The trial must begin within 60 days of the arraignment on the Information, unless the defendant enters a general waiver of the statutory time requirement or requests/consents to a date beyond the 60-day period.
Before a trial can begin, the attorneys must select a jury. During the trial, witnesses may testify and evidence will be presented. At the conclusion of the trial, the jury must decide if the defendant is guilty or not guilty. If the jury finds the defendant is not guilty, he or she is released and cannot be tried again for the same crime. If the defendant is found guilty, the case will be continued for sentencing, or the defendant may be sentenced immediately. The defendant may appeal a conviction to the Appellate Department of the Superior Court.
* Court Trial
In lieu of a jury trial, the defendant may agree to proceed with a court trial, in which the judge hears the evidence and arguments and finds the defendant guilty or not guilty.
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/criminal/ (http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/criminal/)
This is interesting too
It confirms that dep 144 is to do with felonies and Judge Schwartz belongs to dept 144 at LAX courthouse.
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/criminal ... gguide.pdf (http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/criminal/pdf/bailoutcitingguide.pdf)
I'm not saying anything about the order of procedures that you posted, but did want to correct that Dr. Murray was not charged with Felony Murder; he was charged with misdemeanor manslaughter.
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Thankyou for letting me know. Sorry. :(
I just wanted to highlight something.
1. Has anyone heard what the Judge has actually charged Dr murray with?.. ( from a judge directly, because i don;t believe that was even stated in the courthouse on Monday)
I got the info from the lax courthouse that dept 144 which is Judge Scwartz dept, deals with felonies. ( it did not mention anything else about misdeameanors that dept is 141)
http://www.bestlegaldefense.com/Airport%20Arrest.aspx (http://www.bestlegaldefense.com/Airport%20Arrest.aspx)
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The way bail works is you pay 10% of the total. That money is refunded if you are found not guilty.
So Murray would have paid only $7500 to walk free on bond. Really, it's paid by the bail bondsman who is paid back by the lawyers and the amount is added to the bill for lawyers fees. How Murray is paying lawyers fees is a good question... but I think the answer is obvious lol.
And yes Grace, once you are arrested and charged with a crime, in the US, it is considered that you no longer have any right to privacy, as this information becomes one of public record. Further, once you are convicted of a fellony in the US you lose all of your inalienable rights granted under the Bill of Rights in the constitution, including the right to vote, even after you satisfy your sentence and walk free.
Consider that for all those wrongfully and falsely convicted by our justice system. Refer to lyrics of TDCAU, yet again.
Thank you for letting her know how it works. And the felony info is accurate of course, but I want to point out in case you think otherwise, that Dr. Murray was not charged with felony murder; he was charged with misdemeanor manslaughter.
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If he is supposed to be in custody, how come he can go back to Houston and still practice medicine?
He isn't in custody. The website isn't accurate.
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Inmate records states he is still in custody but location is UNKNOWN!!!!
Per VINELINK inmate information
Offender Record
Offender ID:
2222243
Offender Name:
CONRAD ROBERT MURRAY
Date of Birth:
02/19/1953
Age:
56
Custody Status:
In Custody
Location of Offender:
Unknown
Race:
Black
Gender:
Male
ALSO LA County records show no release and NO BAIL was paid????
http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm (http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm)
So is the dude in jail still or has he disappeared???? What in the world is going on here?
Well its good to see that they are finally bringing that dumb ass to jail. Hopefully they get a conviction enough time has passed for them to get a good case.
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The way bail works is you pay 10% of the total. That money is refunded if you are found not guilty.
So Murray would have paid only $7500 to walk free on bond. Really, it's paid by the bail bondsman who is paid back by the lawyers and the amount is added to the bill for lawyers fees. How Murray is paying lawyers fees is a good question... but I think the answer is obvious lol.
And yes Grace, once you are arrested and charged with a crime, in the US, it is considered that you no longer have any right to privacy, as this information becomes one of public record. Further, once you are convicted of a fellony in the US you lose all of your inalienable rights granted under the Bill of Rights in the constitution, including the right to vote, even after you satisfy your sentence and walk free.
Consider that for all those wrongfully and falsely convicted by our justice system. Refer to lyrics of TDCAU, yet again.
Thank you for letting her know how it works. And the felony info is accurate of course, but I want to point out in case you think otherwise, that Dr. Murray was not charged with felony murder; he was charged with misdemeanor manslaughter.
He was charged with manslaughter because in order for it to be murder it has to be premeditated from my understanding I am not a lawyer but according to definitions.
Murder - kill intentionally and with premeditation; "The mafia boss ordered his enemies murdered"
Manslaughter - homicide without malice aforethought