Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: Lady J on February 08, 2010, 09:12:18 PM
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the autopsy report is there now.
hoax over for me :cry:
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Why would it be over for you? They ID'd his body using a driver's license! And, notice that the officer who collected hair samples says in the affidavit that everything was covered except the hands and the top of the head. So, how does anyone know WHO was in that casket?
There is still nothing specifically identifiable--it could have been ANYONE in that autopsy! Especially because the report says he was 5'9". MJ is taller than that!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... kson1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson1.html)
Hoax not over for me....and I notice that there isn't much coverage about this today.
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Why would it be over for you? They ID'd his body using a driver's license! And, notice that the officer who collected hair samples says in the affidavit that everything was covered except the hands and the top of the head. So, how does anyone know WHO was in that casket?
There is still nothing specifically identifiable--it could have been ANYONE in that autopsy! Especially because the report says he was 5'9". MJ is taller than that!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... kson1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson1.html)
Hoax not over for me....and I notice that there isn't much coverage about this today.
Bravo Tenderoni!! I agree!
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Why would it be over for you? They ID'd his body using a driver's license! And, notice that the officer who collected hair samples says in the affidavit that everything was covered except the hands and the top of the head. So, how does anyone know WHO was in that casket?
There is still nothing specifically identifiable--it could have been ANYONE in that autopsy! Especially because the report says he was 5'9". MJ is taller than that!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... kson1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson1.html)
Hoax not over for me....and I notice that there isn't much coverage about this today.
I completely agree...for years I always thought MJ was 5'11, but now they say 5'9...strange...
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Just read through the coroner's report. Not a fun read.
However, since the report is to account for all markings and scars, why is there no mention of the burn on his scalp? And even if the burned area was removed during the scalp surgeries MJ reportedly had, wouldn't those markings be listed as well? Link 8 would seem to be the place this should appear in the text, but there is no mention.
There is a mention of "pigmentation" on the diagram on Link 20, but shouldn't MJ have more scars or markings on his scalp in this report?
Just some observations.
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You are so right.....good catch on your part. :o
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First page : I find weird that people who deal with the topic/word very often are not able to spell 'resuscitated" properly.
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Why would it be over for you? They ID'd his body using a driver's license! And, notice that the officer who collected hair samples says in the affidavit that everything was covered except the hands and the top of the head. So, how does anyone know WHO was in that casket?
There is still nothing specifically identifiable--it could have been ANYONE in that autopsy! Especially because the report says he was 5'9". MJ is taller than that!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... kson1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson1.html)
Hoax not over for me....and I notice that there isn't much coverage about this today.
I completely agree...for years I always thought MJ was 5'11, but now they say 5'9...strange...
You know, people shrink with age, espesilly if arthritis is in the spine, not to mention a thing called gravity, Fact!
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if he is not dead who is this autopsy report belong too..?? :? :cry:
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if he is not dead who is this autopsy report belong too..?? :? :cry:
The report might not even be real. And really... If this is a hoax... What are we all thinking? There have to be tons of people involved. Don't you think the coroner's office would've spoken out by now, saying they've never seen no Michael Jackson, the hospital, the LAPD, everyone has to be involved. This has to be huge, otherwise you can't really explain any of this. Nobody could pull this off, not even Michael, unless they're involved. So, if you believed he hoaxed his death before this report came out, you might as well believe it now. You know what I mean?
Me, I still believe. I don't say he is alive, I say he might be. And as long as he might be, I'll believe he is, because I couldn't possibly say goodbye to him if I don't even know he's dead for sure.
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I have been looking over this report and so far a few things that have stood out that seem odd:
Page 1: Facial Hair - Unshaven
unshaven - not shaved
shaved, shaven - having the beard or hair cut off close to the skin
Page 14: A mustache and beard are absent
He looked clean shaven to me in the ambulance photograph..
So someone gave him a shave between the initial observation and the autopsy?
Page 3: I preformed an external body examination at the hospital on 6/25/09. The body was positively identified as Michael Joseph Jackson by visual comparison to his California drivers license on 6/25/09.
If this identification was taking place at the hospital, there were many family members present etc why would identification be made using his drivers license? not just that, the next one too...
Page 15: The body was not clothed and no clothing is available for review.
If he was unclothed, where did the drivers licence come from that was used to identify him? It is not like he had pockets to have this item on him at the time. It also seems unlikely it would have been a priority to locate this piece of identification during the efforts to revive him.
I do not know Michael personally but didn't he wear pyjamas a lot? Why would he not have some garment on as he was a modest, shy man and especially as Murray was supposed to be watching over him during the entire "induced sleep". There seemed to be many other medical supplies present why not a hospital gown at least? IDK seems odd...
Page 18: Residual Brain tissue is released to the mortuary 7-8-09.
So if the brain tissue was released 7-8-09 why was the internment ceremony (funeral) delayed until Sept 3. We were told that the family was awaiting the release of this tissue to proceed with his internment. The stories do not coincide.
Page 51: August 6, 2009at approximately 1300 hours I was notified by Chief of Laboratories Joseph Muto that a Coroner's Criminalist was requested to collect hair samples from the above listed decadent for potential toxicology testing.
The coroner had the body from June 25/09 and it appeared that the decedent may have died from drugs but they never took hair samples at the autopsy? I am not a forensic expert but you would think this would be something that would have been done at autopsy as someone who is a long time drug user would have deposits of these drugs in their hair follicles.
Page 51: The majority of the decedent was covered with multiple white towels/sheets leaving only the hands and the top of the head exposed.
I have never heard of anyone being placed in a casket covered by such items. Could the criminalist not distinguish between whether these where towels or sheets? I mean seriously towel and sheet material are 2 completely different things and what purpose did they serve? The criminalist mentions moving the wig but not the sheet/towel items covering the face, how does he even know he is taking hair samples from the right body?
Nowhere are there any test results for the hair samples that were taken included in this report...
A big deal seems to be made about substances on the hair and some sort of adhesive on the head but we see no results of any tests or anything.
Page 3: Scene description - Various medical supplies including a box a catheters...Also at the foot of the bed,there was a closed bottle of urine atop a chair.
Body Examination - There was also an external urine catheter present.
Ok so when this supposed home infusion of anaesthetic was taking place, a catheter was being used to collect urine. Nowhere in the report does it say that this catheter was attached to any sort of collection bag. We have a bottle of urine which has been closed and capped sitting there, nothing is described as having been attached to it etc. TMZ peeing in cups story anyone?
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A. Mild cerebral vascular congestion
Cerebral - relating to the brain
Vascular - vessels that conduct and circulate fluids
Congestion - accumulation of blood or other fluid in a body part
Page 26: There is a mild degree of leptomeningeal vascular congestion.
Leptomeningeal - the meninges; membranes surrounding the central nervous system. Cerebrospinal fluid circulates between these layers.
So we have some fluid that has accumulated in this brain area but the report does include a description of this fluid nor any possible cause for the fluids accumulation.
B. Mild diffuse brain swelling without herniation syndrome
Diffuse - spread out not concentrated in one place
herniation syndrome -Inter cranial pressure
So we have mild spread out swelling within the brain without any pressure but such swelling is an indication of some sort of head and/or brain injury. Yet there are no outward indications of any head injury occurring and no explanation for this swelling is given in the report.
Page 45: Stomach Contents
SERVICE DRUG LEVELS UNITS
Bases Lidocaine 1.6 mg
Propofol Propofol 0.13 mg
Again I do not know a lot about forensics but if propofol was being administered intravenously and lidocaine is given at an injection site how did they get in to the actual stomach contents, was he sipping on them?
Propofol is found throughout the blood, tissue, fluids samples etc. There seems to be a problem with this scenario though.
The most important advantage of propofol is its rapid onset and offset of action. This behavior of a "rapid on, rapid off" feature, not available with the intravenous opiates or benzodiazepines, accounts for the increasing popularity of propofol. Because the onset of action after a single dose is rapid, and its effect brief (~ 10-15 minutes) due to high lipophilicity and central nervous system penetration, propofol is given only by continuous infusion when used for sedation. Propofol is a complex drug that actually has three half-lives. Its a half-life, the distribution of the drug from the blood to the tissues after intravenous administration, is very short, perhaps 2 to 3 minutes. The ß half-life of the drug, which is basically the elimination half-life, ranges from 30 to 60 minutes. The half-life, or terminal half-life, during which the drug is eliminated from the third compartment, or tissue fat, ranges from 300 to 700 minutes. Clearance is by hepatic elimination. The large contribution of (about 50%) to the fall of plasma levels means that after very long infusions (at steady state), only about half the initial is needed to maintain the same plasma levels. The large volume of distribution normally seen in the septic or injured host, in combination with the lessened ability to clear the drug in the elderly, can result in a prolonged recovery phase of days due to drug accumulation. Failure to the infusion rate in patients receiving propofol for extended periods may result in excessively high blood concentrations of the drug. Thus, titration to clinical response and daily evaluation of sedation levels are important during extended use of propofol in the ICU.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/410884_3
Propofol is given intravenously infusing this drug slowly over a period of time to maintain the anaesthetic effects and it is being continuously and quickly removed by the body. So either it built up over time in the blood or a big dose was given at once for there to be such a traceable amount found in all these tissues and fluids. There is also one other possibility... The propofol was poured into/onto blood and tissues samples after they were taken. If this is the case then explains why propofol and lidocaine were both found in the stomach contents.
I am going to reread it again and see if i notice anything else that seems unusual. I will get back to you on this.
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Why would it be over for you? They ID'd his body using a driver's license! And, notice that the officer who collected hair samples says in the affidavit that everything was covered except the hands and the top of the head. So, how does anyone know WHO was in that casket?
There is still nothing specifically identifiable--it could have been ANYONE in that autopsy! Especially because the report says he was 5'9". MJ is taller than that!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... kson1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson1.html)
Hoax not over for me....and I notice that there isn't much coverage about this today.
:o Is it just me or did the report totally blow off the burn scar that should be on the scalp? Only thing I read about the scalp was a tatoo like color or something and they mentioned alot of scars elsewhere and we all know burns leave scars so where is the burn scar on his head? And WTF is with a urinary cath? You dont cath for a nap I see lots that dont add up here.
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The Coroner has to be a main player in this hoax so they would have to fabricate some sort of report.
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Why would it be over for you? They ID'd his body using a driver's license! And, notice that the officer who collected hair samples says in the affidavit that everything was covered except the hands and the top of the head. So, how does anyone know WHO was in that casket?
There is still nothing specifically identifiable--it could have been ANYONE in that autopsy! Especially because the report says he was 5'9". MJ is taller than that!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... kson1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson1.html)
Hoax not over for me....and I notice that there isn't much coverage about this today.
:o Is it just me or did the report totally blow off the burn scar that should be on the scalp? Only thing I read about the scalp was a tatoo like color or something and they mentioned alot of scars elsewhere and we all know burns leave scars so where is the burn scar on his head? And WTF is with a urinary cath? You dont cath for a nap I see lots that dont add up here.
The cath made me think it must have been for somebody bed bound you could not dance like that with one in it would be impossible it must have been for another person not Michael
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??? AUTOPSY IS LIES..
WHY DID HE HAD PROPOFOL IN HIS STOMACH?
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Hi
I'm glad to find this thread - I have read and translate the report today (wasn't easy for me with all this medical words in english).
This was odd to me:
Driver licence - he looks total different on photos than in hospital, I think
Missing scarv from burning
CPR on the floor? I thougt Murray tried on the bed?
Mortuary 7/8/09 - not in September?
Propofol in the stomach
No clothes?? I agree, where was the driver licence?
He's shy, pyjamas - ok, the propofol was administered trough the famoral aorta, than its better not to wear a pyjama but even not underwear?
This report says he was fine except lung injury. I will never get it why he should ask from narcotic by an unknown doctor - and why this doctor should be so silly not to take care about the breathing etc.
Excuse my English I hope you understand what I want to say :oops:
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I think this report is a fake. Because of the reasons said Tenderoni, and why a tabloid magazine like TMZ has the autopsy report of a superstar and not website like CNN or another, it's not make sense, the authorities would never have published the report of MJ and even less on TMZ...
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Also they didn't mention the "infamous" scar on his cheek that we have all talked about before!
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I have googled for each and every name and doctor find in this report - they all are for real. Puuuuh not sure what to think but it was and it is ODD
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i dont believe if it was a true report it would be all over the net. :?
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I thouhgt they said the autopsy report would never be released to the press. :?
I still don't know what to think about all this that's happened. Wouldn't all these official persons, like a judge, a coroner lose their jobs over doing such a thing(hoax) if it comes out. A secret can only remain if few people are part of it. Someone by now would have (un)intentionately released something. They do it for the money. By reading the report I saw a lot of photo's were taken of him in the hospital and at the coroners :?
I'll just sit this out till 26 june but after that (if he isn't back) I'll let him rest in peace.
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I guess it is possible to write a fake autopsy report.... I am sure Dr. Klein or White Dr. Murray have friends who would help here! LOL :D
They probably took a real autopsy report of someone who died because of drugs, they took Michael's medical records, asked him a few questions considering his health and wrote everything carefully down.
All we can do is check the names of the doctors who signed the report... Do they really exist?
Although it was very hard for me to read it, I still have a lot of hope! But I must admit - this was HUGE!
Don't you think that as for a "long term drug addict" Michael "was" quite a healthy man???
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when you get older you shrink ,Happened to My MOM my dad and My grandmother
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maybe the report is from another man.. :?
who is detective scott smith?
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I hope so. The doctors are all real existing :(.
What is odd too: I google for the doctors and healthgrade.com shows mj-advertisement everywhere on the site :?
Ok this is an possibility - waiting for the 25th of June and than let him rest in peace - but how should I let him rest with all this doubts??????
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full patient monitoring is required any6 time propofol is given....!! :o :evil:
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Why would it be over for you? They ID'd his body using a driver's license! And, notice that the officer who collected hair samples says in the affidavit that everything was covered except the hands and the top of the head. So, how does anyone know WHO was in that casket?
There is still nothing specifically identifiable--it could have been ANYONE in that autopsy! Especially because the report says he was 5'9". MJ is taller than that!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... kson1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson1.html)
Hoax not over for me....and I notice that there isn't much coverage about this today.
Bravo Tenderoni!! I agree!
MJ's driver's license stated that he was 5'9".
Also, I remember there was MJ's myspace page that I belive was real where he stated he was 5'9"
Here is the page where in comments Joanna Thomae wrote some comments(She is Golden Flower)
http://www.myspace.com/michaeljacksonisdrheat (http://www.myspace.com/michaeljacksonisdrheat)
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Why would it be over for you? They ID'd his body using a driver's license! And, notice that the officer who collected hair samples says in the affidavit that everything was covered except the hands and the top of the head. So, how does anyone know WHO was in that casket?
There is still nothing specifically identifiable--it could have been ANYONE in that autopsy! Especially because the report says he was 5'9". MJ is taller than that!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... kson1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson1.html)
Hoax not over for me....and I notice that there isn't much coverage about this today.
I completely agree...for years I always thought MJ was 5'11, but now they say 5'9...strange...
According to http://www.celebs101.com/celebrity-Mich ... 820--.html (http://www.celebs101.com/celebrity-Michael+Jackson-2820--.html) he was 5'10 might have been a type-o
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Why would it be over for you? They ID'd his body using a driver's license! And, notice that the officer who collected hair samples says in the affidavit that everything was covered except the hands and the top of the head. So, how does anyone know WHO was in that casket?
There is still nothing specifically identifiable--it could have been ANYONE in that autopsy! Especially because the report says he was 5'9". MJ is taller than that!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... kson1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson1.html)
Hoax not over for me....and I notice that there isn't much coverage about this today.
I completely agree...for years I always thought MJ was 5'11, but now they say 5'9...strange...
You know, people shrink with age, espesilly if arthritis is in the spine, not to mention a thing called gravity, Fact!
yes but then it also says that he is 6.1' the report has 3 to 4 different heights
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Why would it be over for you? They ID'd his body using a driver's license! And, notice that the officer who collected hair samples says in the affidavit that everything was covered except the hands and the top of the head. So, how does anyone know WHO was in that casket?
There is still nothing specifically identifiable--it could have been ANYONE in that autopsy! Especially because the report says he was 5'9". MJ is taller than that!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... kson1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson1.html)
Hoax not over for me....and I notice that there isn't much coverage about this today.
I completely agree...for years I always thought MJ was 5'11, but now they say 5'9...strange...
You know, people shrink with age, espesilly if arthritis is in the spine, not to mention a thing called gravity, Fact!
yes but then it also says that he is 6.1' the report has 3 to 4 different heights
When he was booked in during the trial. His info says 5'11 and people are telling me that when they book you in jail that they check your weight and height? His arrest info says 5'11
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Does anyone else remember reading that when they took Michael to the hospital that he was barefoot, wearing black tuxedo pants, and no shirt? The same pants he had worn at rehearsal that night? There seems to be 2 different stories once again.
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Another thing I noticed is that the casket he was in when they took hair samples was "yellow with blue lining".
That isn't what we saw at the memorial or at Forrest Lawn!!
Any thoughts??
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I think I will order me a different color straight jacket! I have had the same color on since June 25th and I need a change. :lol: This whole thing is driving me NUTS!
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Another thing I noticed is that the casket he was in when they took hair samples was "yellow with blue lining".
That isn't what we saw at the memorial or at Forrest Lawn!!
Any thoughts??
We did not see anything at the Memorial. How could we see the lining???????
Lining is located inside of the casket!
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Well yes we didn't see the lining but my point was the outside was not yellow, it was gold or polished bronze, metallic not "yellow".
I just see too many contradictions and things wrong with this report.
Keep the faith :-))
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I wouldn't lose faith...I think we would be surprised how easy it is to fake things especially with all that money available. Ed Winter was at the memorial - why would the LA coroner be invited to your memorial and Chief Bratton from the LAPD resigned in the summer. It's all a little too cozy and fishy to be anything but a hoax. Plus if his lungs were as bad as the autopsy said he wouldn't have been able to perform on This Is It and look at all the credible industry professionals who were involved with that production who said he was in great form and spirits. If my lungs were so bad I needed oxygen tanks back at my house to breathe I wouldn't be able to dance and sing and be all happy and excited.
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"..It's all a little too cozy and fishy to be anything but a hoax. Plus if his lungs were as bad as the autopsy said he wouldn't have been able to perform on This Is It and look at all the credible industry professionals who were involved with that production who said he was in great form and spirits. If my lungs were so bad I needed oxygen tanks back at my house to breathe I wouldn't be able to dance and sing and be all happy and excited."
Yes point taken. The report is bogus, no question about it. So with that thought any discussion is just wasting time :-)
I have asthma so I know what I can do and what I can't do, and I know damn well I couldn't do what he did in TII!!
Also I wanted to say that many non-believers are questioning the report too. Eyes are opening wider in all places. That is a good thing!! It will make the big "Love Shockwave" a little easier to accept!!!
Come on Michael!!! We LOVE you!!
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Also, I remember there was MJ's myspace page that I belive was real where he stated he was 5'9"
Here is the page where in comments Joanna Thomae wrote some comments(She is Golden Flower)
http://www.myspace.com/michaeljacksonisdrheat (http://www.myspace.com/michaeljacksonisdrheat)
Wow.. ok.. that is interesting. You really think that is MJs page...
His user name is Applehead and his URL is "Michael Jackson is Dr Heat"
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that's right 2 bad...good post and while we're on the subject I heard that Karen Faye said on her facebook that the autopsy was rigged so it is starting to become a little more widespread
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that's right 2 bad...good post and while we're on the subject I heard that Karen Faye said on her facebook that the autopsy was rigged so it is starting to become a little more widespread
What!!! :?: :?: :?: KF said on her FB that the autopsy was rigged???? What???? :shock: The woman who said that she applied MJ's makeup after he was died for 70 days!! Can you please post this info Mjkate. God bless you all! :) :) :)
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Can someone tell me why they kept MJ in his coffin when they came to get hair samples?
When body is stored in cool room I tought they keep bodies in special things like that:
(http://rockfordil.typepad.com/.a/6a00e553c7bede8833010535d86304970c-800wi)
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Also they didn't mention the "infamous" scar on his cheek that we have all talked about before!
Yes, if the coroner was looking for distinguished marks to identify, the burn scar on the scalp and the scar on his cheek would be the clear identifiers, but neither one is mentioned. That tells me that the person (if there really was one) was not Michael. Also - I thought Michael no longer had a valid driver's license? If he didn't drive and didn't have a valid license why would one conveniently show up for the coroner to use as a key identifier? Hmm...
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Also they didn't mention the "infamous" scar on his cheek that we have all talked about before!
Yes, if the coroner was looking for distinguished marks to identify, the burn scar on the scalp and the scar on his cheek would be the clear identifiers, but neither one is mentioned. That tells me that the person (if there really was one) was not Michael. Also - I thought Michael no longer had a valid driver's license? If he didn't drive and didn't have a valid license why would one conveniently show up for the coroner to use as a key identifier? Hmm...
You're right. Two of his most important scars not listed? This is too much.
I know he was a terrible driver, so someone else drove him around. Why would he need a licence?
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Why would it be over for you? They ID'd his body using a driver's license! And, notice that the officer who collected hair samples says in the affidavit that everything was covered except the hands and the top of the head. So, how does anyone know WHO was in that casket?
There is still nothing specifically identifiable--it could have been ANYONE in that autopsy! Especially because the report says he was 5'9". MJ is taller than that!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... kson1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson1.html)
Hoax not over for me....and I notice that there isn't much coverage about this today.
I completely agree...for years I always thought MJ was 5'11, but now they say 5'9...strange...
Yeah I thought MJ was like 5'10 or 5'11 also there was a contradiction in how much he weighed. I think in the recent autopsy report it says that he weighed 136lbs. but earlier they were saying that he weighed less than 120lbs. I really don't think MJ was close to 140lbs. He look smaller than that to me. Also the whole idea of him being identified by his license that sounds absurd since according to the paramedics he was unrecognizable. They thought it was an old man. It probably really was an old man that they did this autopsy on. From what I've heard so far. If he had all these medical issues that they're claiming in the autopsy seem like he should have died of natural causes and plus people saying the body was wrapped in a sheet with just the top of the head and hands showing. What's up with that?
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I completely agree...for years I always thought MJ was 5'11, but now they say 5'9...strange...
When body is thin it always looks taller. Plus the boots Michael was using. That's why he looked taller.
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I wouldn't lose faith...I think we would be surprised how easy it is to fake things especially with all that money available. Ed Winter was at the memorial - why would the LA coroner be invited to your memorial and Chief Bratton from the LAPD resigned in the summer. It's all a little too cozy and fishy to be anything but a hoax. Plus if his lungs were as bad as the autopsy said he wouldn't have been able to perform on This Is It and look at all the credible industry professionals who were involved with that production who said he was in great form and spirits. If my lungs were so bad I needed oxygen tanks back at my house to breathe I wouldn't be able to dance and sing and be all happy and excited.
I agree about the oxygen tank scenerio. If Mj needed oxygen so much he would not have been able to perform and sing like in the movie. The reason I can say that is because my mom was using oxygen tanks when she was released from the hospital and she could barely walk 10 paces without getting short of breath. So something don't add up. Bad lungs plus being on oxygen I don't see him making it through no concerts with those issues.
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also anything i have ever read about lungs is that it's dangerous to give oxygen on a regular basis to someone with damaged lungs because it causes them further damage. Isn't it also funny that the only two employees that have come forward are the two chefs and they conveniently mentioned the oxygen tanks being carried out and around back. Were they encouraged to come forward on behalf of the hoaxers or the murderers and sepcifically make mention of the oxygen. Employees at mj's are always sworn to secrecy so i find it a bit odd.
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I think Michael's arrest info states 5'11" because of his hair.
And for the record, you don't have to shrink with age if you keep yourself in good shape -nutrition for your bones and exercise not just for your bones but the muscles that hold your frame where it's supposed to be.
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Another thing I noticed is that the casket he was in when they took hair samples was "yellow with blue lining".
That isn't what we saw at the memorial or at Forrest Lawn!!
Any thoughts??
There was a picture taken when they took hair samples? Where is that?
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Also they didn't mention the "infamous" scar on his cheek that we have all talked about before!
Yes, if the coroner was looking for distinguished marks to identify, the burn scar on the scalp and the scar on his cheek would be the clear identifiers, but neither one is mentioned. That tells me that the person (if there really was one) was not Michael. Also - I thought Michael no longer had a valid driver's license? If he didn't drive and didn't have a valid license why would one conveniently show up for the coroner to use as a key identifier? Hmm...
You're right. Two of his most important scars not listed? This is too much.
I know he was a terrible driver, so someone else drove him around. Why would he need a licence?
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Maybe Michael renewed his driver's license. I don't think a press conference is necessary to announce that he renewed his driver's license. One of the report [don't recall which]said that his family identified him too. As for that little scar on his face from childood; it probably faded. It was a tiny thing. I've had many scars over the years that have faded to nothing. Some weren't serious and some were, but they are all gone. One was an accident with a chain saw when I was 10. I don't remember which leg it was on anymore and can't tell. It took years, but it's gone. Another bad one was about 6 years ago when I was seriously burned on a hot-rod [car] pipe. That was a big deep, nasty burn. Again, it took a while but there is no trace of it now. Those were two of the worst. After all these years I'm sure Michael's little face scar just faded.
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To all those wondering about the oxygen tanks - I refer you to this video - where you can see this man stopped breathing. Propofol severely reduces the the bodies auto breathing reflex. The reason you need all the bells and whistles.
viewtopic.php?f=49&t=8741 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=8741)
Dr. Murray might also have been using oxygen therapy on Michael. There are a number of reasons oxygen therapy is used. It could have been for current or chronic issues or for an overall health aid.
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Maybe Michael renewed his driver's license. I don't think a press conference is necessary to announce that he renewed his driver's license. One of the report [don't recall which]said that his family identified him too. As for that little scar on his face from childood; it probably faded. It was a tiny thing. I've had many scars over the years that have faded to nothing. Some weren't serious and some were, but they are all gone. One was an accident with a chain saw when I was 10. I don't remember which leg it was on anymore and can't tell. It took years, but it's gone. Another bad one was about 6 years ago when I was seriously burned on a hot-rod [car] pipe. That was a big deep, nasty burn. Again, it took a while but there is no trace of it now. Those were two of the worst. After all these years I'm sure Michael's little face scar just faded.
How do you explain the scalp scar? :|
I mean, I heard it went through to his skull.
I actually have a lot of scars from when I was very young, most notably a deep gash
I got from shattered glass, and I can still see it clearly.
There are scars that just don't fade that easily.
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Maybe Michael renewed his driver's license. I don't think a press conference is necessary to announce that he renewed his driver's license. One of the report [don't recall which]said that his family identified him too. As for that little scar on his face from childood; it probably faded. It was a tiny thing. I've had many scars over the years that have faded to nothing. Some weren't serious and some were, but they are all gone. One was an accident with a chain saw when I was 10. I don't remember which leg it was on anymore and can't tell. It took years, but it's gone. Another bad one was about 6 years ago when I was seriously burned on a hot-rod [car] pipe. That was a big deep, nasty burn. Again, it took a while but there is no trace of it now. Those were two of the worst. After all these years I'm sure Michael's little face scar just faded.
How do you explain the scalp scar? :|
I mean, I heard it went through to his skull.
I actually have a lot of scars from when I was very young, most notably a deep gash
I got from shattered glass, and I can still see it clearly.
There are scars that just don't fade that easily.
I agree with you about scars being hard to fade. When I was about 4 years old, I got bit on the face by a dog. I still have the scars on my face and I'm 48 now. So much about fading :lol: It was from a little beagle too, not a fighting breed.
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Maybe Michael renewed his driver's license. I don't think a press conference is necessary to announce that he renewed his driver's license. One of the report [don't recall which]said that his family identified him too. As for that little scar on his face from childood; it probably faded. It was a tiny thing. I've had many scars over the years that have faded to nothing. Some weren't serious and some were, but they are all gone. One was an accident with a chain saw when I was 10. I don't remember which leg it was on anymore and can't tell. It took years, but it's gone. Another bad one was about 6 years ago when I was seriously burned on a hot-rod [car] pipe. That was a big deep, nasty burn. Again, it took a while but there is no trace of it now. Those were two of the worst. After all these years I'm sure Michael's little face scar just faded.
How do you explain the scalp scar? :|
I mean, I heard it went through to his skull.
I actually have a lot of scars from when I was very young, most notably a deep gash
I got from shattered glass, and I can still see it clearly.
There are scars that just don't fade that easily.
I don't know why you still have that scar. Your chemistry, diet and topical care of the scar? I worked at the burn scar a little. The gash from the chain saw faded on it's own [took years]. I thought I would always have it when I was young but as I got older I learned. Diet is very important. I've always been particular about my diet.
About 5 years ago I was outside a lot and had a ton of misquito bites that I scratched and picked at without mercy for the longest. Like a kid:) The scars were very noticable and I got more then one comment about them [like I was diseased] including a doctor friend of mine who said they wouldn't go away. That's how bad they looked. I told him they would. He insisted they wouldn't. I insisted they would and explained why. They are gone. I don't have a mark on me. I've had countless scars - all gone. I'm just saying it is possible and to consider it.
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Agree that burn scars just don't fade away that easily. I have had one on my arm for 50 yrs. Even with suntans and all those yrs... it's still there. I didn't have surgery, but it burnt down to the bone at the time from an iron that fell on my arm.