Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: mumof3 on February 08, 2010, 04:52:25 PM
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A sad day all hope is gone now bless everybody here we have to carry on and find out the truth for Michael and his children bless them sorry but to sad tonight maybe I was in denial and we did not know the full truth because cm was covering up what he did .
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I too have lost hope. It seems all too real, for my liking.
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Its all about money and that fxxxxxx catalogue he should have stayed in Ireland and found peace those poor children left to the wolves now
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Let's not give up hope. But my heart does go out for those children. Who will protect them now?
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that is what is sad all he wanted was for children to be happy and look now what has happened god it is so sad the worst
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A sad day all hope is gone now bless everybody here we have to carry on and find out the truth for Michael and his children bless them sorry but to sad tonight maybe I was in denial and we did not know the full truth because cm was covering up what he did .
Ive just read the full autopsy report and i am in utter tears of despair and sadness.
Michael DID mutilate that gorgeous face of his.. it says he had "structures" over his nasal passage. Poor poor man.
It says he was 136 pounds???
Also... says that he had multiple scars on his face and neck... :cry: Those bastard plastic surgeons.
Says he had lung disease and osteoporosis... made me think of how much pain he was in. He must have KNOWN that he couldnt do those shows. Poor poor michael. Poor man. How much pain and despair he was in.. he must have been so frightened with all that pressure.
Maybe this is why he turned to the drugs..... and he trusted Murray and Murray let him down.
And it confirms he had Vitiligo.. all those years of being tormented and accused of hating his race. Even JErmaine accused him of that.
It confirms he did NOT have skin cancer.
Im in tears of despair and sadness. Poor man.
Those poor children he has left behind. Michael wanted the best for those children and now they have been orphaned in this tragic story.
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Ive just read the full autopsy report and i am in utter tears of despair and sadness.
Same. :cry:
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Michael is alive! He will be the key defense witness in the greatest exposure of corruption of our government the world has ever seen! You do not have an arraignment PRIOR to be booked! That is impossible! The Jacksons are going to take this all the way, to the very end, and they will finally have JUSTICE for Michael when they show how someone can be falsely accused and charged with NO evidence. None! This will be the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation! Michael is alive! :D :D
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Please take care you two you are worrying me if they had all been honest in the begining we would have accepted it months ago but i feel this is the saddest thing I have ever heard such a kind person dragged to court by those vile people broken to bits called names then not realising how handsome he was I always listened to his speeches and stuck up for him the hatred for him has been unbelievable never understood it we have to stay here and find out why this happened and lookout for the children .
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A sad day all hope is gone now bless everybody here we have to carry on and find out the truth for Michael and his children bless them sorry but to sad tonight maybe I was in denial and we did not know the full truth because cm was covering up what he did .
Ive just read the full autopsy report and i am in utter tears of despair and sadness.
Michael DID mutilate that gorgeous face of his.. it says he had "structures" over his nasal passage. Poor poor man.
It says he was 136 pounds???
Also... says that he had multiple scars on his face and neck... :cry: Those bastard plastic surgeons.
Says he had lung disease and osteoporosis... made me think of how much pain he was in. He must have KNOWN that he couldnt do those shows. Poor poor michael. Poor man. How much pain and despair he was in.. he must have been so frightened with all that pressure.
Maybe this is why he turned to the drugs..... and he trusted Murray and Murray let him down.
And it confirms he had Vitiligo.. all those years of being tormented and accused of hating his race. Even JErmaine accused him of that.
It confirms he did NOT have skin cancer.
Im in tears of despair and sadness. Poor man.
Those poor children he has left behind. Michael wanted the best for those children and now they have been orphaned in this tragic story.
please, can you post the link to the full autopsy report? I can not find it....In another note...Don't give up and don't lose hope. We still have an investigation. We have an investigation to see who is up to this and what happend!
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Michael is alive! He will be the key defense witness in the greatest exposure of corruption of our government the world has ever seen! You do not have an arraignment PRIOR to be booked! That is impossible! The Jacksons are going to take this all the way, to the very end, and they will finally have JUSTICE for Michael when they show how someone can be falsely accused and charged with NO evidence. None! This will be the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation! Michael is alive! :D :D
YES!!!! U R right!!!!
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I'm crying more than I've done in awhile now but I'm still torn. I'm not ready to let go yet there certainly is more to this and I need to find out everthing but I'm scared I'm holding on because I'm in denial. Idk though because I haven't been a believer since the start so could one start denying it months after? Sorry, I know I'm making no sense at all... :? If this is a hoax could someone give me a reasonable explanation for the 51 pages long (detailed) autopsy report? My brain is not working properly right now so I can't think of one myself. I've gone through half of the report and as sad as I feel right now I still reacted to some of the facts, but then again I'm not an expert and neither do I know much within the medical field so idk... If this was murder CM is not the only one responsible :evil: But what about all odd things we've come across?! I know some of it's way far-fetched but pains vs. pain, the family's actions, Gilda etc? These things are all going through my min right now and I apologize about this confusing post but I need to let it out somehow...
Michael, I wish I could see your beautiful, smiling face again. I wish I could see you playing with your beautiful children. I wish I could hear your soothing voice, speaking, laughing, singing... Love you always angel
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Please take care you two you are worrying me if they had all been honest in the begining we would have accepted it months ago but i feel this is the saddest thing I have ever heard such a kind person dragged to court by those vile people broken to bits called names then not realising how handsome he was I always listened to his speeches and stuck up for him the hatred for him has been unbelievable never understood it we have to stay here and find out why this happened and lookout for the children .
Dont worry about me... im tougher than brass nails. :lol:
Its just hard because i have wanted to see this official report for 7 months now and i knew it would be hard... but i knew i had to see it to move forward. xx
You take care too. xx
I will stick around for the rest of the investigation... because whatever happens i want to know the FULL TRUTH of what has happened. I wont rest until i do. xx
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@mykidsmum.. here is the link, but be warned it is VERY GRAPHIC
http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tm ... ort_wm.pdf (http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0208_mj_case_report_wm.pdf)
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Did you guys not see the clue towards the end of the TMZ live streem!! The Garbage Can!!
Whilst waiting for Dr Murray to come out of the court building, the TMZ camera spent such a long long time showing the following link! Just like at the "Funeral" and like at Dr Murrays child support court case!
http://twitpic.com/124tz2 (http://twitpic.com/124tz2)
Dont give up yet, nothing has changed the things that have kept you here all these months havent changed, we knew Dr Murray would go to court!
Sending you all a BIG HUG
Its all for L.O.V.E
Keep the faith, we knew it would get more difficult ....
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I'm sorry everyone but these messages make me mad a little bit. IT'S THE MEDIA they want everything to be real. What is important is what you feel INSIDE not what the MEDIA tries to tell you eventhough it may seem real it's not real because the media is not real they are a lie. Please keep the faith everyone please keep the faith!
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I'm sorry everyone but these messages make me mad a little bit. IT'S THE MEDIA they want everything to be real. What is important is what you feel INSIDE not what the MEDIA tries to tell you eventhough it may seem real it's not real because the media is not real they are a lie. Please keep the faith everyone please keep the faith!
The autopsy report has really thrown me.
I think i need to sleep and reflect on this.
I wont post anymore on the forum today, as i know i am being sad and negative and i dont want to upset anyone.
HUGS.
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Me too sorry if I have upset anybody I will come back when I feel positive
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No need to be sorry, I can understand how you all feel but please see it positive just give it a little rest and see how you all feel tomorrow. Don't give up!
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do you really think that autopsy report is true? think about everything else that has gone down that we know for a fact is not true. relax everyone. let this play out.
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At first when the trial just began i was nearly to give up,i was crying, but now i still think that it's fake, Michael is alive, don't give up,we knew that this was to take place in order Michael's "death" to look real,as well as the official autopsy record was needed, this hoax is not a game or a joke, i'm almost sure Michael's life was in danger,everything should look real,we'll have to wait till april,still as much as i understood Murray was pled not guilty,yet nothing to worry about,may God help Michael and us in the future.
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@MjLover1990
I'm trying to keep the faith most definately but I'm finding it hard and reading what u said and a couple others u guys really don't let anything stop u from what u have believed in since the beginning :lol: and I'm proud of u guys :D I'm going to have to stay strong like u and the others thnx ur post gave me more faith :D. I'm going to try to say this loud and proud :lol: Michael is alive just have to look deeper within this :D ;) :)
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where is the report? I think I'm spinning into oblivion :cry: I need to read it. I don't want to, but for my own sanity, I must. I feel like I'm walking a tightrope.
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after reading over the reoprt, well i dont know what to say or think, but it looks 100% genuine.
its just madness
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No need to be sorry, I can understand how you all feel but please see it positive just give it a little rest and see how you all feel tomorrow. Don't give up!
Why do you have to be mad when all people want to do is mourn Michael like he deserves if he is gone?
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Please, we have to let him rest in peace. He is gone. I am crying while reading the final autopsy report, it is not false and it is very hard, it hurts very deep into the heart.
Dear Michael, rest in peace :cry:
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do you really think that autopsy report is true? think about everything else that has gone down that we know for a fact is not true. relax everyone. let this play out.
I think the same way.. I know it is hard to believe sometimes.. but come on guys after 7 months of investigation, all the things we had discover!!! they are not coincidences!!! beLIEve!!!! :D
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@MjLover1990
I'm trying to keep the faith most definately but I'm finding it hard and reading what u said and a couple others u guys really don't let anything stop u from what u have believed in since the beginning :lol: and I'm proud of u guys :D I'm going to have to stay strong like u and the others thnx ur post gave me more faith :D. I'm going to try to say this loud and proud :lol: Michael is alive just have to look deeper within this :D ;) :)
And that's how it is, You go girl for saying that! :D We just need to pull each other through.
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there is only one last thread that is holding my belief that this is a hoax. the suppose return dates i think there was April 4th or 5th, and the 5th is murrays next court date
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Beautiful Fallen Angel. How could they :cry: I will love Michael Jackson forever.
Nite :cry:
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It is all so hard but we have been lied to so many times but we allchecked things out for the love of Michael but I will stay here to find out what did happen and why you all are such good people
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I have to remember why and how I came here almost 7 months ago. I wasn't a huge Michael Jackson fan but for some reason I felt spiritually driven to find the truth. I don't believe I have that yet.
With the help of all of you, I have come to know an incredibly loving and giving human being. I understand what you are all experiencing. But I'm staying until I know the truth has been resolved. Michael stood by James Brown's casket for 5 hours out of respect. I can do this for him.
"But those who wait on the Lord
Shall renew their strength;
They shall mount up with wings like eagles,
They shall run and not be weary,
They shall walk and not faint."
Isaiah 40:31
Stay the course!
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Ive just read the full autopsy report and i am in utter tears of despair and sadness.
Same. :cry:
did you see THIS IS IT?
how in he world the man look like he looks in the movie and died the next day????
he is alive!!! WAKE UP!!!
READ PAGE 24 OF THE AUTOPSY , AND IN THE 37 DOESN´T SAY THE NAME IN THE REPORT... :?
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Ive just read the full autopsy report and i am in utter tears of despair and sadness.
Same. :cry:
did you see THIS IS IT?
how in he world the man look like he looks in the movie and died the next day????
he is alive!!! WAKE UP!!!
READ PAGE 24 OF THE AUTOPSY , AND IN THE 37 DOESN´T SAY THE NAME IN THE REPORT... :?
exactly!! he went to reharsal the day before, no way he could have been in the condition described. NO WAY.
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My emotions are like a roller coaster.... I am torn... what's true.. and what isn't.... ugh... I will keep the faith....
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I am sorry to say that looking good the day before is not a good argument in favor of the hoax. You do not have to be sick to die from what they say Michael died from. It can kill anyone given in the right concentrations.
When my son was on Propofol in the ICU, they monitored with everything. Just one little mix of medicines would have killed him and my son was only 11 at the time.
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I am sorry to say that looking good the day before is not a good argument in favor of the hoax. You do not have to be sick to die from what they say Michael died from. It can kill anyone given in the right concentrations.
When my son was on Propofol in the ICU, they monitored with everything. Just one little mix of medicines would have killed him and my son was only 11 at the time.
I WASN´T TALKING ONLY FOR THE PROPOFOL... THEY SAY HE HAVE A LOT OF MEDICINES IN HIS VAINS, THE COCKTAIL WAS FATAL AND MURRAY SAIS THAT HE GIVE ALL THE MEDICINES IN THE DAYS BEFORE HE DIED... I WAS REFERING TO ALL THAT MEDICATION NOT ONLY PROPOFOL... SORRY, ENGLISH ISN´T MY LANGUAGE!
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I am sorry to say that looking good the day before is not a good argument in favor of the hoax. You do not have to be sick to die from what they say Michael died from. It can kill anyone given in the right concentrations.
When my son was on Propofol in the ICU, they monitored with everything. Just one little mix of medicines would have killed him and my son was only 11 at the time.
I WASN´T TALKING ONLY FOR THE PROPOFOL... THEY SAY HE HAVE A LOT OF MEDICINES IN HIS VAINS, THE COCKTAIL WAS FATAL AND MURRAY SAIS THAT HE GIVE ALL THE MEDICINES IN THE DAYS BEFORE HE DIED... I WAS REFERING TO ALL THAT MEDICATION NOT ONLY PROPOFOL... SORRY, ENGLISH ISN´T MY LANGUAGE!
Well, you can take most of those drugs and not have a problem (especially if you have anxiety). Just not mix all of them in such a short time. The propofol is the killer.
Don't worry about your English, it IS my language and I screw it up..lol
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So you are saying he's really gone, then.. :?
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Right now im honesty on the fence its gonna take some hard shit to make my beleif strong again, this whole murray thing is weird, i want it to be fake but at the same time its all so well planned you cant help but think its all over, the only thing keeping my hope still somewhat alive is the fact that i havent seen valid proof that his grave exists, i mean do i have to sneak my way into forest lawn to find the truth lol, and the fact that i cant wrap my head around this whole death, i mean tupac, biggie elvis all those stars who were very popular died and it was over and done with but suddenly MJ dies and not one part of this makes sense? how the hell could someone die and have this many fall outs and suspicions, thats whats giving me hope still, but im barely hanging, im on a thread right now, literally, and last but not least he looked really good in this is it, his face looks flawless, how could he have so many scares and marks, i mean if thats true he must have have some SERIOUS make up on to cover up the marks and stuff, so im hanging in there but my hope is beginning to thin out :( ... do it for Michael steph .... It's all for Michael, M.I.C.H.A.E.L <3
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So you are saying he's really gone, then.. :?
NOOOOO!!!!
I KNOW HE IS ALIVE!
I FEEL THAT!!!
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reading this autopsy report is really hard and i shouldnt be. i have not lost hope tho. i still beLIEve. but there is a bit of pain in each word.
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So..Hm...I do not know what to think there are still more facts that Michael is dead and not alive. How can people say that he is alive when there is NO prove for that. There are just things which seem not to fit together but it does not automatically mean that he is alive (this is not very logical to me at all).
And some so called facts/clues are ridiculous (liek trash cans everywhere or TMZ being the fist who are reporting, comme on just think logical. To be honest this proves just nothing).
This is maybe strange but does not mean that Michael is not dead but maybe that TMZ is BS!!!
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So..Hm...I do not know what to think there are still more facts that Michael is dead and not alive. How can people say that he is alive when there is NO prove for that. There are just things which seem not to fit together but it does not automatically mean that he is alive (this is not very logical to me at all).
And some so called facts/clues are ridiculous (liek trash cans everywhere or TMZ being the fist who are reporting, comme on just think logical. To be honest this proves just nothing).
This is maybe strange but does not mean that Michael is not dead but maybe that TMZ is BS!!!
MAYBE YOU ARE RIGHT, WE KNOW THAT TMZ IS BS...
YOU JUST SAY THAT, TMZ IS BS, SO WE MUST BELIWVW THIS SHIT OF THE CORONER REPORT PUBLISH BY TMZ???
I DON´T REALLY KNOW AND AVE PROOF OF HIS BEING ALIVE, BUT EITHER I HAVE PROOF OF HIM BEING DEAD, LIKE A PICTURE (ALIVE OR DEAD) OR A DOCTOR OF UCLA (SAYING ALIVE OR DEAD) OR THE GRAVE...
I BELIEVE BECAUSE I HAVE FAITH AND I CAN´T EXPLAIN WHY... BUT I BELIEVE!
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I am sorry to say that looking good the day before is not a good argument in favor of the hoax. You do not have to be sick to die from what they say Michael died from. It can kill anyone given in the right concentrations.
When my son was on Propofol in the ICU, they monitored with everything. Just one little mix of medicines would have killed him and my son was only 11 at the time.
Thank you for your statements. I just love your way of argumentation from the first post which referred to the ambulance picture. Just wanted to thank you because this is what to me investigation means to be careful with conclusions when something is not right, just because we/I do not understand something and do not see everything it does not mean that Michael is alive...
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Did you guys not see the clue towards the end of the TMZ live streem!! The Garbage Can!!
Whilst waiting for Dr Murray to come out of the court building, the TMZ camera spent such a long long time showing the following link! Just like at the "Funeral" and like at Dr Murrays child support court case!
http://twitpic.com/124tz2 (http://twitpic.com/124tz2)
Dont give up yet, nothing has changed the things that have kept you here all these months havent changed, we knew Dr Murray would go to court!
Sending you all a BIG HUG
Its all for L.O.V.E
Keep the faith, we knew it would get more difficult ....
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Thank you for reminding me.... this is when I started falling asleep... watching my computer and watching CNN on tv. I remember this and thought a-ha !!!!!
Is this where TMZ ended their coverage?
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So..Hm...I do not know what to think there are still more facts that Michael is dead and not alive. How can people say that he is alive when there is NO prove for that. There are just things which seem not to fit together but it does not automatically mean that he is alive (this is not very logical to me at all).
And some so called facts/clues are ridiculous (liek trash cans everywhere or TMZ being the fist who are reporting, comme on just think logical. To be honest this proves just nothing).
This is maybe strange but does not mean that Michael is not dead but maybe that TMZ is BS!!!
MAYBE YOU ARE RIGHT, WE KNOW THAT TMZ IS BS...
YOU JUST SAY THAT, TMZ IS BS, SO WE MUST BELIWVW THIS SHIT OF THE CORONER REPORT PUBLISH BY TMZ???
I DON´T REALLY KNOW AND AVE PROOF OF HIS BEING ALIVE, BUT EITHER I HAVE PROOF OF HIM BEING DEAD, LIKE A PICTURE (ALIVE OR DEAD) OR A DOCTOR OF UCLA (SAYING ALIVE OR DEAD) OR THE GRAVE...
I BELIEVE BECAUSE I HAVE FAITH AND I CAN´T EXPLAIN WHY... BUT I BELIEVE!
Of course it does not mean that TMZ is right with the coroner report or something else...but with Michael´s death they were right...
I refer to the point that some people are still questioning why TMZ is the first who report (that is what I meant with think logical) it is because they are corrupt and pay for their information that is the only trick and that is what I wanted to express. Maybe that is the case why they always write sources tell us (because they paid for it... and of course can not tell who they are...it is just logical)
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According to this autopsy report most of the drugs (besides propofol) look like antidepressants and anti-anxiety medication. Nothing in his system was illegal. It also proves he was not a drug addict like the media have been trying to portray him as. Besides the normal complaints that come with age, he was relatively healthy.
I'm not sure what to think, but that report looks very detailed and very legit to me. :shock:
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The autopsy report which I haven't read but heard some of the details seem to reflect all the rumors that we've heard about MJ before he even died. The multiple surgeries, prostetic nose, lung problems, problems with his bones, Tatooed eyebrows and scalp. In regards to a hoax it would make sense for the report to say all these things because they are things that people have already discussed about MJ in the past which makes it even more believable. So to me this would be logical to have an autopsy report that says all these graphic things about him.
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CALM DOWN
DID he look frail while dancing in this is it, NO
Did he look like he was stressing during the green screen scene chewing bubble gum then dancing with the crew and doing it better then them: NO
Being thin means nothing, Have you seen Madonna the last year, she looks like she has been starved but she actually is healthy and toned but it looked sickening.
Nothing has changed, Murray isnt in jail. The show just keeps on going.
The day you here a guilty verdict and they actually lock up murray, then that day I will say its over and he has passed.
But as of now this was more circus and it got great exposure and nothing happened. he went to court, he still can practice and he paid his fine, he has court in april and nothing has changed.
He has only been charged with 1 count, if they really had something they would have charged him multiple times to makes sure it sticks but as of now they got nothing.
this autopsy could be 2 things, it could be bull and info he wants out there, and having scars on his body so what, its obvious michael had face jobs, he had face lifts, that leaves scars. HE HAD WORK DONE DUH!!.
OR someone did die that day and its not michael but someone else.
But soon we will know, this all restarts april 5th.
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CALM DOWN
DID he look frail while dancing in this is it, NO
Did he look like he was stressing during the green screen scene chewing bubble gum then dancing with the crew and doing it better then them: NO
OR someone did die that day and its not michael but someone else.
I´M WATCHING TII BEAT IT... HAHAHA NO WAY HE IS DEAD THE DAY AFTER... ON THE FLOOR WITH HIS LEGS UP.... HAHAHA NO WAY...!!!
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It may have happened and he may have fallen under the propofol administered by CM but remember they said he was in a coma? He may have lived, but they gave him a physical for the trial, autopsy report. It all depends on the charges he is found guilty of. If it is attempted murder, then he's alive! It's our last hope. Also I still firmly don't believe that it was MJ in the ambulance. POINTY ear remember! The pointy ear was introduced on his last doctor visit. The day before he died, he had a fully ROUNDED ear! That's how I keep the faith.
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A sad day all hope is gone now bless everybody here we have to carry on and find out the truth for Michael and his children bless them sorry but to sad tonight maybe I was in denial and we did not know the full truth because cm was covering up what he did .
I just saw Joe Jackson on LKL. He confirmed my beliefs.
Seeing the crowds, Murray, the Judge and fans today...I was beginning to lose hope.
Guys, Please keep believing! This is not over yet. I believe in my heart that Michael Jackson is still alive and is possibly in a witness protection program. I believe that he will remain in hiding until all those whom he felt were trying to kill him are brought to justice.
I posted a thread (Michael Jackson Didn't Hire Conrad Murray) that is still here. Joe Jackson called out some of the same names that I listed. So has Randy in his tweets. Joe also asked the question......Who is paying Conrad Murray, Michael isn't????? I also quoted in my post that Conrad Murray was just a (Fall Guy) Joe Jackson quoted the very same tonight thing on LKL.
Michael had to make a fast drastic move or he really would have been dead by now.
All of this had to happen and it has to look real and in a way it is real!
Michael was not dealing with ordinary thugs.......these men are affiliated with the mafia.
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Please take care you two you are worrying me if they had all been honest in the begining we would have accepted it months ago but i feel this is the saddest thing I have ever heard such a kind person dragged to court by those vile people broken to bits called names then not realising how handsome he was I always listened to his speeches and stuck up for him the hatred for him has been unbelievable never understood it we have to stay here and find out why this happened and lookout for the children .
Dont worry about me... im tougher than brass nails. :lol:
Its just hard because i have wanted to see this official report for 7 months now and i knew it would be hard... but i knew i had to see it to move forward. xx
You take care too. xx
I will stick around for the rest of the investigation... because whatever happens i want to know the FULL TRUTH of what has happened. I wont rest until i do. xx
God bless you, DancingTheDream, I know in my heart that you would not leave me here on the site all by myself. I am just like you. I am committed to MJ and finding out the truth. God bless you, DancingTheDream, your strength! You are my sister across the pond! :) Hugs xx
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do you really think that autopsy report is true? think about everything else that has gone down that we know for a fact is not true. relax everyone. let this play out.
I cannot even read the autopsy report. It said that the file was damaged and could not be repaired. Hmmmm, very interesting! :shock:
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I couldn't either, only the first 10 pages would download :(
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A sad day all hope is gone now bless everybody here we have to carry on and find out the truth for Michael and his children bless them sorry but to sad tonight maybe I was in denial and we did not know the full truth because cm was covering up what he did .
I just saw Joe Jackson on LKL. He confirmed my beliefs.
Seeing the crowds, Murray, the Judge and fans today...I was beginning to lose hope.
Guys, Please keep believing! This is not over yet. I believe in my heart that Michael Jackson is still alive and is possibly in a witness protection program. I believe that he will remain in hiding until all those whom he felt were trying to kill him are brought to justice.
I posted a thread (Michael Jackson Didn't Kill Conrad Murray) that is still here. Joe Jackson called out some of the same names that I listed. So has Randy in his tweets. Joe also asked the question......Who is paying Conrad Murray, Michael isn't????? I also quoted in my post that Conrad Murray was just a (Fall Guy) Joe Jackson quoted the very same tonight thing on LKL.
Michael had to make a fast drastic move or he really would have been dead by now.
All of this had to happen and it has to look real and in a way it is real!
Michael was not dealing with ordinary thugs.......these men are affiliated with the mafia.
MICHAEL JACKSON DIDN´T KILL CONRAD MURRAY ;) I am sure ;)
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Here we go again.. he is not dead, people.. when things like this happen you can't just toss all of our investigations out the window just because it "looks real" and your emptions dictate reason.. Did you see the family's excited smiles when they were leaving the building? I'm getting so tired of all the lost hope, over things like this, we have been at this for nearly 8 months, and we are not going to quit on what we started. I felt nothing but excitement all day, and the best is yet to come.. we have done so amazingly, hoaxers, don't give up now!!
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So..Hm...I do not know what to think there are still more facts that Michael is dead and not alive. How can people say that he is alive when there is NO prove for that. There are just things which seem not to fit together but it does not automatically mean that he is alive (this is not very logical to me at all).
And some so called facts/clues are ridiculous (liek trash cans everywhere or TMZ being the fist who are reporting, comme on just think logical. To be honest this proves just nothing).
This is maybe strange but does not mean that Michael is not dead but maybe that TMZ is BS!!!
I absolutely agree with this post!. Sorry but "He is alive because I can feel it" is not enough to me. I feel that we dismiss things very quickly when it is not what we wanna hear.
About the so called clues, you are right. I've read in other thread (in regards to the TMZ live stream) "there were a white trashcan, that means "innocent" or something like that, geez guys... I'm not saying he is dead/alive nor that this report is a real one, but in my opinion those things that have an "own interpretation" (numbers, lyrics, colours, signs and so on), or came from sources as misterious insiders, youtubers, twitter users, aren't valid at all, and makes this whole thing looks surreal. I could be wrong, but I go with facts. Yep, I like to think logical.
Thanks for posting this.
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Let's not give up hope. Hope means everything in this world..
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Let's not give up hope. Hope means everything in this world..
Yes, ma'am!!!! No RIPS in anything, the family's weird smiles coming out of court today.. Hope and Faith in Michael, everyone!
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So..Hm...I do not know what to think there are still more facts that Michael is dead and not alive. How can people say that he is alive when there is NO prove for that. There are just things which seem not to fit together but it does not automatically mean that he is alive (this is not very logical to me at all).
And some so called facts/clues are ridiculous (liek trash cans everywhere or TMZ being the fist who are reporting, comme on just think logical. To be honest this proves just nothing).
This is maybe strange but does not mean that Michael is not dead but maybe that TMZ is BS!!!
I absolutely agree with this post!. Sorry but "He is alive because I can feel it" is not enough to me. I feel that we dismiss things very quickly when it is not what we wanna hear.
About the so called clues, you are right. I've read in other thread (in regards to the TMZ live stream) "there were a white trashcan, that means "innocent" or something like that, geez guys... I'm not saying he is dead/alive nor that this report is a real one, but in my opinion those things that have an "own interpretation" (numbers, lyrics, colours, signs and so on), or came from sources as misterious insiders, youtubers, twitter users, aren't valid at all, and makes this whole thing looks surreal. I could be wrong, but I go with facts. Yep, I like to think logical.
Thanks for posting this.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: .... yeah it's not unusual for rubbish bins to be in the courtroom, nor white ones for that matter. I agree, some of the so called clues (and no offense to anyone because I myself have never ever searched for clues) are getting quite far-fetched. I'm a black and white person. I deal with facts and inconsistencies. I don't want us to start grasping at straws and leave logic or well thought out (and research) theories are pushed aside.
No matter where everyone is at after all the happenings of today, I hope we at least can find the truth about what happened on June 25.
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So..Hm...I do not know what to think there are still more facts that Michael is dead and not alive. How can people say that he is alive when there is NO prove for that. There are just things which seem not to fit together but it does not automatically mean that he is alive (this is not very logical to me at all).
And some so called facts/clues are ridiculous (liek trash cans everywhere or TMZ being the fist who are reporting, comme on just think logical. To be honest this proves just nothing).
This is maybe strange but does not mean that Michael is not dead but maybe that TMZ is BS!!!
I absolutely agree with this post!. Sorry but "He is alive because I can feel it" is not enough to me. I feel that we dismiss things very quickly when it is not what we wanna hear.
About the so called clues, you are right. I've read in other thread (in regards to the TMZ live stream) "there were a white trashcan, that means "innocent" or something like that, geez guys... I'm not saying he is dead/alive nor that this report is a real one, but in my opinion those things that have an "own interpretation" (numbers, lyrics, colours, signs and so on), or came from sources as misterious insiders, youtubers, twitter users, aren't valid at all, and makes this whole thing looks surreal. I could be wrong, but I go with facts. Yep, I like to think logical.
Thanks for posting this.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: .... yeah it's not unusual for rubbish bins to be in the courtroom, nor white ones for that matter. I agree, some of the so called clues (and no offense to anyone because I myself have never ever searched for clues) are getting quite far-fetched. I'm a black and white person. I deal with facts and inconsistencies. I don't want us to start grasping at straws and leave logic or well thought out (and research) theories are pushed aside.
No matter where everyone is at after all the happenings of today, I hope we at least can find the truth about what happened on June 25.
Before you go around laughing at peeps, let me remind you in their defense that during the funeral and previous Murray court case about the kids or whatever, TMZ filmed the trashcans the same way- possibly signifying that what's going on is "garbage" as it's not real? It's not black and white, but it's something to think about..
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So..Hm...I do not know what to think there are still more facts that Michael is dead and not alive. How can people say that he is alive when there is NO prove for that. There are just things which seem not to fit together but it does not automatically mean that he is alive (this is not very logical to me at all).
And some so called facts/clues are ridiculous (liek trash cans everywhere or TMZ being the fist who are reporting, comme on just think logical. To be honest this proves just nothing).
This is maybe strange but does not mean that Michael is not dead but maybe that TMZ is BS!!!
I absolutely agree with this post!. Sorry but "He is alive because I can feel it" is not enough to me. I feel that we dismiss things very quickly when it is not what we wanna hear.
About the so called clues, you are right. I've read in other thread (in regards to the TMZ live stream) "there were a white trashcan, that means "innocent" or something like that, geez guys... I'm not saying he is dead/alive nor that this report is a real one, but in my opinion those things that have an "own interpretation" (numbers, lyrics, colours, signs and so on), or came from sources as misterious insiders, youtubers, twitter users, aren't valid at all, and makes this whole thing looks surreal. I could be wrong, but I go with facts. Yep, I like to think logical.
Thanks for posting this.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: .... yeah it's not unusual for rubbish bins to be in the courtroom, nor white ones for that matter. I agree, some of the so called clues (and no offense to anyone because I myself have never ever searched for clues) are getting quite far-fetched. I'm a black and white person. I deal with facts and inconsistencies. I don't want us to start grasping at straws and leave logic or well thought out (and research) theories are pushed aside.
No matter where everyone is at after all the happenings of today, I hope we at least can find the truth about what happened on June 25.
Before you go around laughing at peeps, let me remind you in their defense that during the funeral and previous Murray court case about the kids or whatever, TMZ filmed the trashcans the same way- possibly signifying that what's going on is "garbage" as it's not real? It's not black and white, but it's something to think about..
I wasn't laughing at everyone thank you very much. I was laughing because eveyone is getting ancy today because of what has happened. TMZ is full of sh*t by the way. Don't accuse me of mocking people here when I am not. Don't make assumptions or only read into parts of my post that you think are "offensive" or "upsetting"!
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So..Hm...I do not know what to think there are still more facts that Michael is dead and not alive. How can people say that he is alive when there is NO prove for that. There are just things which seem not to fit together but it does not automatically mean that he is alive (this is not very logical to me at all).
And some so called facts/clues are ridiculous (liek trash cans everywhere or TMZ being the fist who are reporting, comme on just think logical. To be honest this proves just nothing).
This is maybe strange but does not mean that Michael is not dead but maybe that TMZ is BS!!!
I absolutely agree with this post!. Sorry but "He is alive because I can feel it" is not enough to me. I feel that we dismiss things very quickly when it is not what we wanna hear.
About the so called clues, you are right. I've read in other thread (in regards to the TMZ live stream) "there were a white trashcan, that means "innocent" or something like that, geez guys... I'm not saying he is dead/alive nor that this report is a real one, but in my opinion those things that have an "own interpretation" (numbers, lyrics, colours, signs and so on), or came from sources as misterious insiders, youtubers, twitter users, aren't valid at all, and makes this whole thing looks surreal. I could be wrong, but I go with facts. Yep, I like to think logical.
Thanks for posting this.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: .... yeah it's not unusual for rubbish bins to be in the courtroom, nor white ones for that matter. I agree, some of the so called clues (and no offense to anyone because I myself have never ever searched for clues) are getting quite far-fetched. I'm a black and white person. I deal with facts and inconsistencies. I don't want us to start grasping at straws and leave logic or well thought out (and research) theories are pushed aside.
No matter where everyone is at after all the happenings of today, I hope we at least can find the truth about what happened on June 25.
Before you go around laughing at peeps, let me remind you in their defense that during the funeral and previous Murray court case about the kids or whatever, TMZ filmed the trashcans the same way- possibly signifying that what's going on is "garbage" as it's not real? It's not black and white, but it's something to think about..
I wasn't laughing at everyone thank you very much. I was laughing because eveyone is getting ancy today because of what has happened. TMZ is full of sh*t by the way. Don't accuse me of mocking people here when I am not. Don't make assumptions or only read into parts of my post that you think are "offensive" or "upsetting"!
Well I saw the laughing Smilies, what else would I think..? Yeah, I know that everyone's antsy and I wish they'd calm down- and just because you think TMZ is a brown cow pile doesn't mean that I have to. I'm a TIAI believer so.. there you go. (Plus "garbage" is one' of Michael's favorite words) To each her own, eh? ? ~ '.^
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I do hope this is a hoax....Sadly doesnt look like one anymore...... :(
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I do hope this is a hoax....Sadly doesnt look like one anymore...... :(
Oh it so does to me. :mrgreen:
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OK as far as I understand this is one of the threads for those losing hope or giving up.
I have to admit that I laughed so many times and so loud yesterday.
It is just too brilliant, how the story unfolds.
- Toys at the judge's desk
- Empty witness / protocol seats
- A desk for a "court reporter" in the middle of the room with a huge trashcan - meant for kleenex or what? They are using computers nowadays, there is no paper to be thrown away. All papers in a court are supposed to be valid documents belonging to the case, no?
Or was it meant for Murray's banana peal? LOL
So the reporters were placed in the middle of this courtroom. Hmm.
- "I don't want you to sedate people" - did you hear this?
Who is sedating people? Murray? With a prop of fool?
- The judge asking whether there is anything left that the State demands to be charged in this case before he is charging Murray with it.
- Next date is set to April 5 - which happens to be Easter Monday - which at least here with me is a holiday.
AND ALL ARE PRINTING AND PUBLISHING THIS CRAP without hesitating or questioning, ONLY MINUTES AFTER IT WAS OVER IT WAS ON OUR TV.
This is so incredible stupid and voluntary repetitive stupidity that I have hard times believing my eyes.
Take the MJJ case report / autopsy as a very detailed recap of how meticulously dissected Michael got on each and every millimeter of his life.
This step of publishing this fake document is another tool of stiring the heat up.
This document has to reinforce the impression that MJ is gone.
This is theater dramatic screenplay - there must be helpers and activities to come to the climax of the story.
The climax of this story is Murray in court, in trial, having to face all kinds of accusals and "proofs" that he did something wrong.
Only after all these "proofs" will have been presented in public, Michael can let the bomb explode and wipe them off the desk with HIS PROOF OF INNOCENSE, first hand track of all the failures, mistakes and errors in the "official" investigations, second hand by really being back from the dead (which does not have to happen necessarily IMO).
People don't learn to walk but by falling.
People don't learn to think but by failing.
People don't learn to cherish but by losing.
Therefore all have to fall, to fail and to lose first.
This is just the beginning.
Get a seatbelt and buy enough food and soda for the next weeks.
All of this HAS TO HAPPEN.
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Been awake all night thinking. And your post does make sense about the court and toys I will try to be positive a d not bring you all down sorry
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I only slept 4 hours tonight... take a break, I will too.
Just finishing watching the videos again - TMZ put them all on really fast ...
This to make you smile (if you're not too tired to smile):
There was a yellow cab placed on the judge's desk.
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See what you google:
[attachment=1:27meop18]yellow cab LA.jpg[/attachment:27meop18]
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DONT LOSE HOPE!
as many of you i have also found somehtings that seems off in this report, some of these have others already mentioned.
however i will go over them again.
The report(pg2) says " I spoke with Detective S.Smith from the LAPD and he reported that on the early morning of 6/25/09 at approximately 0100 hours, the decedent placed a call to his primary phycician Dr Murray. The decedent complaining of being dehydrated and not able to sleep"
- ok, but didn't they rehears at staples unditl app 1.30 or so. and if so MJ wouldnt have been home uuntil 2 or 2.30 am. and he had sleeping pills at home, why dint he just take those? And after dancing for like 12 hours wouldn't he be sooo tired that he just fell asleep without any aid's?? and another thing, if Murray wasn't there, when did he arrive at MJ's house? strange....
"around 1200 hours Dr Murray found the decedent was not breathing and he pulled the decedent onto the bedroom floor and began CPR. 911 was called and paramedics responded to the house"
* hmm but if you listen to the 911 call, Dr Murray did not put MJ on the floor until they where on the phone with 911 and was instructed to do so!!
"throughout the transport (by the ambulance) all medical orders were given by Dr Murray"
* was Dr Murray in the ambulance? he was at the hospital and went in with MJ, but i think he arrived in one of the following cars. How then can he give orders to the paramedics??? And the paramedics are trained for these things, dr Murray is not traind for trauma he is a cardiologist!!! ODD!!
pg3. "I observed the bedroom on the second floor of the home, to the right of the top of the staircase. Reportedly this is the bedroom where the decedent had been resting and etered cardiac arrest. His usual bedroom was down the hall."
* why didn't Mj sleep in his own bed??
"Miscelleneous items remaind on the right side of the bed including a book, laptop computer and eyeglasses"
* so the ones who say that he never used computers lied! ( but we knew that allready)
"also near the foot of the bed, there was a closed bottle of urine atop of a chair"
*- please!
"gause covering a puncture wound was taped to his neck" "additional puncture wounds were seen on his right shoulder, booth arms and booth ankles"
* ok whos stabbed him!?! who riddled him with needles?? And you see nothing of these marks in TII or photos taken close to his death.... hmmm..
"there was also an external urine catheter present"
*if he was under, and was asleep by propofol then, yes he woudl have had to use something like this. on the other hand Mj can dance all day and night, but not go to the bathroom before he went to bed and wee?? he earlier complaind about being dehydrated, well if he didnt drink anything before he went under, then there woudln't be a need for this....
"the body was positively identified as Michael Joseph Jackson by visual comparison to his California Drivers License"
* First of we have the Joe vs Joseph thing. Who is the right MJ? Second= the MD's identified him, not the family? Didn't Latoya say that tehy identified him? and talking about the frivers license, waht picture was on that one? MJ or someoneelese???
pg 5. Most meds where subscribed by DR Murray exept Clonazepan and Trazadone that was from DR Metzger and "rite aid" farmacy. Tizanoine was by Dr Klein adn again "rite aid". The rest is by Dr Murray and the very strange "applied Pharmacy services" and CVS??
*also a lot of injectable , non subscried drugs. these pages 7-9 are written differently and has the date 29/6 on them.
"the head is partly covered by balck hair. there is frontal balding and the hair can be described as short and tightly curled"
*shouldn't the bald be on the back of the scalp/head where he had his pespi accident patch??
"a bandage is present on the tip of the nose"
* did you see this in TII?? NO! on any of the photos taken the last days? NO!
pg 15 "The neck is unremarkable"
* ok so NOW there are NO puncture wounds??
"the body was not clothed and no clothing is available for review"
* it can be true. on the other hand din't MJ state at one point that he always slept in his Jammies---???
pg 16 " The blood within the heart and large blood vessles is liquid"
* this was done on 26 of june, the day after his death. woudln't the blood be coagulated at this time=??
pg 18-19 describes organs put in storage Jars.*Is this normal?? I dont think it is.
pg 25 " at the time of postmortem examination on 6/26/09 the finding included evidence of therapy, and no scalp , skull or cranial abnormalitises were described"
* again.. what about the pepsi burns? they should ahve notised those scars!
something to think about!! :!: :ugeek:
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"the body was positively identified as Michael Joseph Jackson by visual comparison to his California Drivers License"
The best joke ever :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
If I look at my driver's licence you could take me directly to prison and possibly find someone looking alike.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
The name is wrong and this sentence is the last proof that there are vivid imaginators working behind the curtain. Today's standard is DNA, not visual comparison of photo with body.
If press is buying this crap then nobody can help them anymore.
I don't want to see MJ on the floor but this sentence alone IMO would have caused him ROFL.
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@ Grace.
At last, some logic in here ! Thanks , Grace :)
Please ,people ! I know that everyone deserves to have bad days
but don't be sooo faint-hearted !
FAITH is something extemelly strong !!! You have it or not ! You beleive or not!
I don't mean to be blind but you can't be like a weather-cock !!!
Everytime the wind becames a little bit stronger , we are ready to give up !
ALL THIS THINGS HAS TO HAPPEN !
Unfortunately , I become more and more sure that only very few people
can see the whole picture !
THIS CASE IS HUGE , GUYS !
TRY TO BE STRONG !!! :)
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I know the coroner's report is all over the place. I think the identification process using the driving license is really strange surely if the family were there they would formally idendify. Also the name inconsistancies in the top right hand corner, no name specified on the drawings, there is a lapse of a week with the medical evidence and there is no watermark other than the TMZ? I think it just doesn't look professional enough to be real. I might be wrong but I don't think it stacks up.
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OK, why not get back to basics in order to better understand what has been put as an offer on the servant's hand.
Q: What is a "coroner's report"?
A: A thesaurus finds:
Main Entry: postmortem
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: analysis after death
Synonyms: autopsy, coroner's report, dissection, examination, necropsy, post*
* = informal/non-formal usage
[cited from: http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/c ... port?jss=1 (http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/coroners+report?jss=1)]
Q: what is a "coroner"?
A: cor·o·ner (kôr-nr, kr-) n.
A public officer whose primary function is to investigate by inquest any death thought to be of other than natural causes.
[Middle English, officer of the crown, from Anglo-Norman corouner, from coroune, crown, from Latin corna; see crown.]
coro·ner·ship n.
Word History: Coroner comes from Anglo-Norman corouner, a word derived from coroune, "crown." Corouner was the term used for the royal judicial officer who was called in Latin custos placitorum coronae, or "guardian of the crown's pleas." The person holding the office of coroner, a position dating from the 12th century, was charged with keeping local records of legal proceedings in which the crown had jurisdiction. He helped raise money for the crown by funneling the property of executed criminals into the king's treasury. The coroner also investigated any suspicious deaths among the Normans, who as the ruling class wanted to be sure that their deaths were not taken lightly. At one time in England all criminal proceedings were included in the coroner's responsibilities. Over the years these responsibilities decreased markedly, but coroners have continued to display morbid curiosity. In the United States, where there is no longer the crown, a coroner's main duty is the investigation of any sudden, violent, or unexpected death that may not have had a natural cause.
[cited from: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/coroner (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/coroner)]
What do we see as title of the document?
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By summarizing the above, can we conclude this?
A coroner's report is an analysis after death.
Executed by a public officer whose primary function is to investigate by inquest any death thought to be of other than natural causes.
The reason for the given report says: "accident" (as other than natural causes).
The title states also that there are special circumstances such as "celebrity" and "media interest".
Does this give us enough suspicion (before even starting to read through this novel) to ask
who would be the suspected CALLER for a coroner if it was just an accident accompanied by media interest in a celebrity?
Could it be that the owner of the crown himself, wanting to be sure that their death was not taken lightly, did call the coroner in to assemble this analysis of an accident with media interest?
And what would be the purpose of clarifying the results of an accident accompanied by media interest?
And while reading further, would we not become even more suspicious reading about "respiratory arrest" (we were told cardiac arrest, right?), dehydration and unability to sleep?
This is a little contradicting, isn't it?
If you are awake, usually the physical need to drink will be noticable.
If you are asleep, the body will wake you up to drink.
If you are taking IV related medication, you cannot be dehydrated.
We witnessed dehydration at MJ's fingers at O2 pictures.
Ergo: no IV related medication applied to MJ early March 2009.
Is there any indication why this should have happened later?
Even in this specified cocktail recipe?
And so it goes and goes on and you can continue to dissect each and every sentence of this novel. I call it a novel because it starts with improbable impossibilities and ends with improbable impossibilities.
On page 51 it says: La Toya Jackson and her male companion were present on Aug 6, 2009 to witness an examination on the decedent's body in a secured lobby and that the decedent was wearing a wig.
No "male companion" not belonging to the closest family would have been authorized - if the family at all would have been authorized to witness an examination.
Examinations do not take place in lobbies, do they?
Would you consider a wig (in place!) belonging to a body that had undergone two prior autopsies already? Laying supine in a yellow casket with blue linen?
And all they did for a 1 page detectives report was to "plug" some hair samples with gloved hands and put them into a polybag or aluminum foil & paper bundle?
Why is only La Toya being mentioned with her name when the decedent and the companion are not? Why not say "the decedent's sister" if one needs to express that a family member was there? Did La Toya play a certain role that she must be mentioned and recalled namely?
Yes, she did. She's listed as the informant for the death certificate.
Ohhhh - whoever takes this 51 page novel serious as the true autopsy report of the dead body of Michael Jackson has to be shot from the front and the back simultanously with icecream bombs only to wake up on a slide into a pool drying his hair later on a merry-go-round and watching this on the big screen:
[youtube:1bubzj2f]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_2ebr6s50k[/youtube:1bubzj2f]
:lol:
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So..Hm...I do not know what to think there are still more facts that Michael is dead and not alive. How can people say that he is alive when there is NO prove for that. There are just things which seem not to fit together but it does not automatically mean that he is alive (this is not very logical to me at all).
And some so called facts/clues are ridiculous (liek trash cans everywhere or TMZ being the fist who are reporting, comme on just think logical. To be honest this proves just nothing).
This is maybe strange but does not mean that Michael is not dead but maybe that TMZ is BS!!!
I absolutely agree with this post!. Sorry but "He is alive because I can feel it" is not enough to me. I feel that we dismiss things very quickly when it is not what we wanna hear.
About the so called clues, you are right. I've read in other thread (in regards to the TMZ live stream) "there were a white trashcan, that means "innocent" or something like that, geez guys... I'm not saying he is dead/alive nor that this report is a real one, but in my opinion those things that have an "own interpretation" (numbers, lyrics, colours, signs and so on), or came from sources as misterious insiders, youtubers, twitter users, aren't valid at all, and makes this whole thing looks surreal. I could be wrong, but I go with facts. Yep, I like to think logical.
Thanks for posting this.
Hello!!!
I would tend to think like you,I mean i need more than only details like numbers, colours etc to believe. HOWEVER. I really do think that the trash-thing is a major clue. Just check by " Odd stuff" the subject about the garbage. In most of the things we've seen, you can so much see an emphasis on the garbage. The guy who films always zooms it, or worst, you can see entires rows of garbage in front of MJ's house when the ambulance is there, or at the funeral ( the whole world was watching, letting a row of trash there just seems...a bit funny to me). It's just too much not to mean smth, even in the weird dave dave video on myspace ( the one with two heads), trash is also there.
Anyway, even if it wouldnt mean anything, im not impressed AT ALL by what we saw yesterday, to me Michael is definetely alive and i so much believe in his genius. The hoax is sooooooooooooooooooo obvisous to me, im having a lot of fun going through this adventure because i think this is unique and exciting....But im also down to earth, and if Michael aint back by the end of the summer the latest, i would stop believing.
This is just not gonna happen simply because THIS IS NOT IT!!!!!!
Please trust his genius and wait few more months...
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Everything is too coincidental - he's still amongst us somewhere.
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Thank you Grace for once again putting some heads back on straight with down to Earth information. There needs to be more of that around here ya know?
The circus video cracked me up :lol: :lol: :lol: I may have been one of those kids in the audience eating popcorn because we went to the circus many times in the 50's. Perfect timing to post that for a vamp up in state of mind.
I want to announce that I am a die hard hoax believer.
To do that I must retain control of MY OWN MIND and common sense.
To be a dedicated believer I have look at things from a less emotional mindset.
IN FACT I HAVE TO PUT MY HEAD INSIDE MICHAEL’S HEAD.
Lucky for me I didn’t see the court proceedings LIVE or hear LKL yesterday.
I WAS NOT affected by the emotional field of drama on the monitor or what you all are still feeding to each other today. IMO the emotional drama of making a mountain out of petty unrelated details is an unnecessary contribution to the drama.
You half hearted believers can all me delusional, but I envision MJ somewhere safe and comfortable in his strategy room pulling all the strings writing this script. This is a living movie I’m watching unfold, a brain tickler and at the same time it is a chance for me and you to continue our mind control deprogramming exercise therapy.
To me this is a MOVIE PRODUCTION in the making and we are all a part of it.
I have decided to just be myself and speak freely not meaning to sound arrogant or above anyone. So please no one take offense when I say that this investigation takes a lot of time to keep up with so when I see silly comments like: "oh, Michael please come back, I need you" or a string of "I agree" "I agree" "I agree" without further comment, or "OMG he must be really dead". I don't care if Michael was caught smoking a cigar out his ass standing on his head.... I will scroll right on down past and remember who is just here hanging out, who is here intentionally to instill doubt and who is here helping to get to the bottom of things.
When a writer has a vision, there is a story board laid out consisting of a plot, a list of main characters and an orderly time line to present the plot so the movie is entertaining enough to hold the audience attention. Usually there is a main theme or lesson or moral to the story. MJ has perfect reason and motive to be the man behind the curtain. What we have going on right before our eyes is Michael with his original vision of making a point to the World. It is genius.
As we watch the production of MJ's movie the little details of observation should be brought out into the open, analyzed, then either edited out as useless or believed to crucial to his plot. MJ has a great sense of humor, so keep that in mind.
We have to decide if TMZ is working for MJ or working for their own ratings. I suggest that a couple of members be assigned to doing a daily copy paste of all the articles onto this forum so that 300 of us don't give TMZ 300 rating points. Then watch to see how they scramble to put out more bull crap to again up their ratings. It's all so entertaining but annoying at the same time. TIAI #3 has already posted a list of links and analyzed them. Refer to that.
It is obvious to me that Michael's movie started with the 02 conference and ticket sales.
This Is It, the movie followed after.
His brothers being happy to be in the spotlight again is not disrespectful because I think it is Michael giving them what they deserve.
A bigger example is the production of his Memorial Service that is now up for a Bet award. Granted the Jacksons are trained entertainers, but lets get real here. That alone tells me that the Jacksons are in on the hoax.
Today after watching Murray's court room proceeding I have to agree with Grace, Tink.I.Am and others who pointed out the fake feel of that. I have never been a court of law that wasn't stark clean and professional. This judge was reading from a script if I ever heard one. AND yeah, who is paying Murray's bond so he can walk around free?
I've seen better acting from Judge Judy !
Who else was sitting in that court room?
I don't have the programs to cut stills out of video to examine close ups. Does anyone here?
I wish we could get more organized. Searching on this forum back and forth confuses me. Keeping it all in our heads is not easy. Sorting out all the speculation from fact, from hearsay, from everyone’s personal interpretation, from what is in print, from what is heard in an interview, from body language, from knowing or not knowing the character’s past and present personality is a total mind BONK for me.
I would suggest that if you have a comment to make using information of any kind please credit the person who said it, the source you got it from and maybe a date so we can sort out the junk and define what is Michael's script from the outsider, interruption, trying to throw us off bull crap """SOURCES""". Hope I'm not sounding like a Bit_h here. I've had way too much coffee today.
Also, was it only TMZ running a live camera inside the courtroom? I kept checking local channels and haven't seen anything different. Can you guys help me out on that ?
If I had the extra cash I would buy a membership to do back ground checks on these characters to see the truth. That could help sort out who is who and their motives and who Michael's characters truly are.
If I worked in the medical field I would be bringing facts to this board.
If I worked in law enforcement or had a friend I would have valuable information to share. But I'm just like most of you sitting in the audience watching the big show.
I'm pretty sure Michael's cast isn't a large as we think, but then again Michael is very much loved and has many true friends.
I will be here "Until the Fat Lady Sings" as they say, here to the end which isn't gonna be for a long while.
And in the meantime I have to remember what I'm learning here. I have to take myself away from this forum to research "World Issues" because while we sit glued to the hoax real life shit is happening behind our backs. After all, that is what the media gets paid for, distracting us from the truth out there in the real world. Please be aware of that fact.
Hang in people, be strong, and believe.......
xoxoxo
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JUST FORGET ALL THIS ABOUT THE AUTOPSY GUYS.......LISTEN.......THIS HAS TO HAPPEN...SO THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE THE PARRALELL OF MICHEALS TRIAL AND ALL THE LIES.......ALL THE SPECULATION....ALL THE FEELINGS THAT WILL BE SHOWN...THE MEDIA WILL HAVE A FIELD DAY WITH THIS TRIAL......AND THEN........AND ONLY THEN WILL IT BE EXPOSED FOR THE SHAM IT IS......THIS IS WHAT MICHEAL IS TRYING TO SHOW US......AND WITH A BIT OF LUCK HE WILL TAKE DOWN THE BASTARDS THAT CAUSED HIM SO MUCH PERSONAL ANGUISH................A BONUS........SO JUST "WATCH THIS SPACE "AS THEY SAY........XXXX
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Actors - all actors.
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A sad day all hope is gone now bless everybody here we have to carry on and find out the truth for Michael and his children bless them sorry but to sad tonight maybe I was in denial and we did not know the full truth because cm was covering up what he did .
I just saw Joe Jackson on LKL. He confirmed my beliefs.
Seeing the crowds, Murray, the Judge and fans today...I was beginning to lose hope.
Guys, Please keep believing! This is not over yet. I believe in my heart that Michael Jackson is still alive and is possibly in a witness protection program. I believe that he will remain in hiding until all those whom he felt were trying to kill him are brought to justice.
I posted a thread (Michael Jackson Didn't Kill Conrad Murray) that is still here. Joe Jackson called out some of the same names that I listed. So has Randy in his tweets. Joe also asked the question......Who is paying Conrad Murray, Michael isn't????? I also quoted in my post that Conrad Murray was just a (Fall Guy) Joe Jackson quoted the very same tonight thing on LKL.
Michael had to make a fast drastic move or he really would have been dead by now.
All of this had to happen and it has to look real and in a way it is real!
Michael was not dealing with ordinary thugs.......these men are affiliated with the mafia.
MICHAEL JACKSON DIDN´T KILL CONRAD MURRAY ;) I am sure ;)
Thanks Shout, for pointing that out.......yesterday was a long, long exhausting mind boggling day for all. :lol:
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Thank you Grace for once again putting some heads back on straight with down to Earth information. There needs to be more of that around here ya know?
The circus video cracked me up :lol: :lol: :lol: I may have been one of those kids in the audience eating popcorn because we went to the circus many times in the 50's. Perfect timing to post that for a vamp up in state of mind.
I want to announce that I am a die hard hoax believer.
To do that I must retain control of MY OWN MIND and common sense.
To be a dedicated believer I have look at things from a less emotional mindset.
IN FACT I HAVE TO PUT MY HEAD INSIDE MICHAEL’S HEAD.
Lucky for me I didn’t see the court proceedings LIVE or hear LKL yesterday.
I WAS NOT affected by the emotional field of drama on the monitor or what you all are still feeding to each other today. IMO the emotional drama of making a mountain out of petty unrelated details is an unnecessary contribution to the drama.
You half hearted believers can all me delusional, but I envision MJ somewhere safe and comfortable in his strategy room pulling all the strings writing this script. This is a living movie I’m watching unfold, a brain tickler and at the same time it is a chance for me and you to continue our mind control deprogramming exercise therapy.
To me this is a MOVIE PRODUCTION in the making and we are all a part of it.
I have decided to just be myself and speak freely not meaning to sound arrogant or above anyone. So please no one take offense when I say that this investigation takes a lot of time to keep up with so when I see silly comments like: "oh, Michael please come back, I need you" or a string of "I agree" "I agree" "I agree" without further comment, or "OMG he must be really dead". I don't care if Michael was caught smoking a cigar out his ass standing on his head.... I will scroll right on down past and remember who is just here hanging out, who is here intentionally to instill doubt and who is here helping to get to the bottom of things.
When a writer has a vision, there is a story board laid out consisting of a plot, a list of main characters and an orderly time line to present the plot so the movie is entertaining enough to hold the audience attention. Usually there is a main theme or lesson or moral to the story. MJ has perfect reason and motive to be the man behind the curtain. What we have going on right before our eyes is Michael with his original vision of making a point to the World. It is genius.
As we watch the production of MJ's movie the little details of observation should be brought out into the open, analyzed, then either edited out as useless or believed to crucial to his plot. MJ has a great sense of humor, so keep that in mind.
We have to decide if TMZ is working for MJ or working for their own ratings. I suggest that a couple of members be assigned to doing a daily copy paste of all the articles onto this forum so that 300 of us don't give TMZ 300 rating points. Then watch to see how they scramble to put out more bull crap to again up their ratings. It's all so entertaining but annoying at the same time. TIAI #3 has already posted a list of links and analyzed them. Refer to that.
It is obvious to me that Michael's movie started with the 02 conference and ticket sales.
This Is It, the movie followed after.
His brothers being happy to be in the spotlight again is not disrespectful because I think it is Michael giving them what they deserve.
A bigger example is the production of his Memorial Service that is now up for a Bet award. Granted the Jacksons are trained entertainers, but lets get real here. That alone tells me that the Jacksons are in on the hoax.
Today after watching Murray's court room proceeding I have to agree with Grace, Tink.I.Am and others who pointed out the fake feel of that. I have never been a court of law that wasn't stark clean and professional. This judge was reading from a script if I ever heard one. AND yeah, who is paying Murray's bond so he can walk around free?
I've seen better acting from Judge Judy !
Who else was sitting in that court room?
I don't have the programs to cut stills out of video to examine close ups. Does anyone here?
I wish we could get more organized. Searching on this forum back and forth confuses me. Keeping it all in our heads is not easy. Sorting out all the speculation from fact, from hearsay, from everyone’s personal interpretation, from what is in print, from what is heard in an interview, from body language, from knowing or not knowing the character’s past and present personality is a total mind BONK for me.
I would suggest that if you have a comment to make using information of any kind please credit the person who said it, the source you got it from and maybe a date so we can sort out the junk and define what is Michael's script from the outsider, interruption, trying to throw us off bull crap """SOURCES""". Hope I'm not sounding like a Bit_h here. I've had way too much coffee today.
Also, was it only TMZ running a live camera inside the courtroom? I kept checking local channels and haven't seen anything different. Can you guys help me out on that ?
If I had the extra cash I would buy a membership to do back ground checks on these characters to see the truth. That could help sort out who is who and their motives and who Michael's characters truly are.
If I worked in the medical field I would be bringing facts to this board.
If I worked in law enforcement or had a friend I would have valuable information to share. But I'm just like most of you sitting in the audience watching the big show.
I'm pretty sure Michael's cast isn't a large as we think, but then again Michael is very much loved and has many true friends.
I will be here "Until the Fat Lady Sings" as they say, here to the end which isn't gonna be for a long while.
And in the meantime I have to remember what I'm learning here. I have to take myself away from this forum to research "World Issues" because while we sit glued to the hoax real life shit is happening behind our backs. After all, that is what the media gets paid for, distracting us from the truth out there in the real world. Please be aware of that fact.
Hang in people, be strong, and believe.......
xoxoxo
AMEN TO YOU AND GRACE!!!
I WILL NOT READ TOPICS ABOUT DEAD, I BELIEVE!
HAVE FAITH!
LOVE
CC ;)
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Michael is alive! He will be the key defense witness in the greatest exposure of corruption of our government the world has ever seen! You do not have an arraignment PRIOR to be booked! That is impossible! The Jacksons are going to take this all the way, to the very end, and they will finally have JUSTICE for Michael when they show how someone can be falsely accused and charged with NO evidence. None! This will be the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation! Michael is alive! :D :D
Awesome post Lovemj I agree 1000% I know the system too and if Murray wasnt booked or charged before the DA hearing its again all bogus. He is Alive and watching us love you Michael !!
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Here we go again.. he is not dead, people.. when things like this happen you can't just toss all of our investigations out the window just because it "looks real" and your emptions dictate reason.. Did you see the family's excited smiles when they were leaving the building? I'm getting so tired of all the lost hope, over things like this, we have been at this for nearly 8 months, and we are not going to quit on what we started. I felt nothing but excitement all day, and the best is yet to come.. we have done so amazingly, hoaxers, don't give up now!!
I did notice they smiling/ laughing and didn't understand how they were able to, because I wasn't even there and I wasn't able to smile. I see that what we saw yesterday is a big obstacle for the hoax theory, however, it's not over. If he's sent to jail I'll give up, but it didn't happen yet and hopefully, it won't happen. It's still time to wait and see how things will develop.
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Exactly loyalfan !!!!!!!! Wish I had guts to just spit it out like you do. I'm way too nice.
I have been on the production side of movie making. I know how it works.
We simply took video with 3 cameras of an actual 50th wedding anniversary only intending to record the day. The party took place in a wooded area set up with hay bales, dragged couches out of the house, built a make shift moonshine still, you name it we set the scene. The party was real, the guests were real, and the couple being honored were class A Kentuckians, my boyfriend's parents. It was a surprise party with more than 60 guests attending. We just happened to have a rack of costumes set up for hillbilly photos, which included shotguns and rifles for extra effect. The photos were priceless.
Everyone wanted copies of the "video", but my BF and I just could not send copies of a jumbled mess so we put it off. The BF, who by the way is a Virgo like Michael, and a creative genius woke up one morning with this elaborate plot in his head to make that party into a movie to remember.
We only had to ask a handful of guests back wearing the same clothes worn at the party to take extra footage. We staged extra scenes . Then it got out of hand and we had to ask his parents to be involved, which made the movie almost unbelievable. Putting the vision onto video is like the journey we on the forum are watching right now.
Two years in the making & editing we held a premier screening in our house inviting all the original guests back. We actually rented several big screen tvs, one in each room playing at the same time. Our thrill was to sit back and watch (and video tape) their reaction. That is the big thrill I'm staying here waiting for, just like Michael is moving toward.
Our guests were totally confused, amazed and there was barely a moment of non-laughter for the entire 1 hour and 20 minutes of final cut. After showing the movie 3 times in a local independent film theater we were begged by film makers to enter it in Sundance Film Festival. That has never happened. But the excitement of seeing the project through was incredible serving a purpose which was a living album of his family to treasure forever.
My point is we spent less than $500 making that. Michael has access to everything.
I imagine he has inside cooperation at LAPD, UCLA, rooms bugged, nanny cams, whatever he needs to produce the grandest "Blow Them Out of This World" full feature exposing the truth once and for all to see Go Down In History..... when all is edited and finalized that is when Michael will return, maybe.
I'm just so glad to be a part of it. xoxoxo
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Great stuff - welcome to Hoaxville. :mrgreen:
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I have to remember why and how I came here almost 7 months ago. I wasn't a huge Michael Jackson fan but for some reason I felt spiritually driven to find the truth. I don't believe I have that yet.
With the help of all of you, I have come to know an incredibly loving and giving human being. I understand what you are all experiencing. But I'm staying until I know the truth has been resolved. Michael stood by James Brown's casket for 5 hours out of respect. I can do this for him.
"But those who wait on the Lord
Shall renew their strength;
They shall mount up with wings like eagles,
They shall run and not be weary,
They shall walk and not faint."
Isaiah 40:31
Stay the course!
what a lovely post i have been here all the time as well and after a night thinking i am not giving up there is so much that does not add up and wrong the coroner has just twittered the doc has twittered dont you think that is odd and on the autopsy not a mention of the burn scar and the cath how could he ahve danced with that it would be impossible i am now feeling it was somebody else there not Michael somebody that was so ill they had to cath them because they were bed ridden
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Ive just read the full autopsy report and i am in utter tears of despair and sadness.
Same. :cry:
did you see THIS IS IT?
how in he world the man look like he looks in the movie and died the next day????
he is alive!!! WAKE UP!!!
READ PAGE 24 OF THE AUTOPSY , AND IN THE 37 DOESN´T SAY THE NAME IN THE REPORT... :?
Yes, I did see This Is It thankyou. I'm perfectly healthy today, but if I was given the drugs MJ was given by Murray, I'd sure as hell be dead tomorrow too. Noone knows anything for fact, he could be gone, just as much as he could still be here.
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After last night i was believing Michael was dead and vowed to not get on the computor again as i have been here for ever and ever but you guys are right there is nothing that adds up and i am back with a new frame of mind sorry for opening the post like tha but i was so upset I expected Michael to walk out the helecoptor how mad is that or to stand there and say what he wants to say and will say I will wait for as long as it takes now. sorry people
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After last night i was believing Michael was dead and vowed to not get on the computor again as i have been here for ever and ever but you guys are right there is nothing that adds up and i am back with a new frame of mind sorry for opening the post like tha but i was so upset I expected Michael to walk out the helecoptor how mad is that or to stand there and say what he wants to say and will say I will wait for as long as it takes now. sorry people
Welcome back to the land of hoax! :D
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Please, we have to let him rest in peace. He is gone. I am crying while reading the final autopsy report, it is not false and it is very hard, it hurts very deep into the heart.
Dear Michael, rest in peace :cry:
Oh,no please.. I have not read it but you sound so convinced.. Now I am really sad, more than at the memorial, cause all this investigation gave me hope.., but I am doubting now :(
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Michael is alive! He will be the key defense witness in the greatest exposure of corruption of our government the world has ever seen! You do not have an arraignment PRIOR to be booked! That is impossible! The Jacksons are going to take this all the way, to the very end, and they will finally have JUSTICE for Michael when they show how someone can be falsely accused and charged with NO evidence. None! This will be the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation! Michael is alive! :D :D
YES!!!! U R right!!!!
He is soooooo much alive... This autopsy report is sooooo fake.. FAKE FAKE FAKE
Michael Jackson LIVES....... PERIOD!
Thanks to the beLIEvers whom still have the faith.... THANK YOU
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My resolve is shaken, but i still owe it to Michael to uncover the truth.
Michael has given me and taught me so much in these past 7 months. I am a changed person.
Whatever has happened... i owe it to Michael to stick with him until the truth is revealed.
I am looking forward and dreading the trial at the same time.. but i will stay here on this forum and will not leave. I will continue to investigate.
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I think it's funny, before Monday everyone here was talking about all of the inconsistencies & believing the hoax still & saying no matter what happens Monday, Michael is alive. Now all of a sudden just because we saw footage of a court appearance & Conrad Murray being charged which may or may not be real. & an autopsy report was released which might I remind you was obtained by TMZ & nowhere else, there are all these people coming on here telling us that we're crazy to believe in the hoax & that the "clues" we are finding are ridiculous, etc. HELLO just the other day you were one of the people finding the clues, weren't you? Don't even lie because a couple of those usernames saying we're crazy & that he's gone were posting stuff too, supporting the hoax. :lol: Anyways, go ahead & believe what the media says, I'm still iffy on EVERYTHING. Yeah, I was worried at first & was sure he was gone but I wouldn't call anybody here crazy or say their wrong there are all kinds of weird things in all of this & there's still more. There's scars missing from the autopsy report, some of the info contradicts what has been said all along, the other CM was in court too, & the whole TMZ being first to know everything & get copies of everything. That's still crazy to me, they are a gossip site not a news station. Anyways, I could go on but I think I've said what I want to. Nobody here is wrong, hoax or no hoax, because nobody knows the truth nobody knows if what we are being fed is true. There's no way at this point to find out either. So stop with the rude, discouraging comments. If we're all dumb for not letting go, then we will be proven wrong one day, until that happens, let us search for whatever we want to. & if he is gone we all want the same thing, for justice to be served & to find out the truth.
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Please, we have to let him rest in peace. He is gone. I am crying while reading the final autopsy report, it is not false and it is very hard, it hurts very deep into the heart.
Dear Michael, rest in peace :cry:
Oh,no please.. I have not read it but you sound so convinced.. Now I am really sad, more than at the memorial, cause all this investigation gave me hope.., but I am doubting now :(
Oh for goodness sake, here is a big HUG.
Dont let someone else affect your belief. Michael is alive .
Keep on beLIEving its all for L.O.V.E
The clues you believed yesterday have not changed, be strong we can get through this together.
L.O.V.E.
edit.. and the date on the final page of the Autopsy report :!: 09/09/09 remember that number being predicted back in september there it is!! This could be It
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Rita Hayworth » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:08 am
I have to remember why and how I came here almost 7 months ago. I wasn't a huge Michael Jackson fan but for some reason I felt spiritually driven to find the truth. I don't believe I have that yet.
With the help of all of you, I have come to know an incredibly loving and giving human being. I understand what you are all experiencing. But I'm staying until I know the truth has been resolved. Michael stood by James Brown's casket for 5 hours out of respect. I can do this for him.
]"But those who wait on the Lord
Shall renew their strength;
They shall mount up with wings like eagles,
They shall run and not be weary,
They shall walk and not faint."
Isaiah 40:31[/color]
Stay the course![/b]
Yes! Yes! I was just quoting this the other day!!! :mrgreen: Beautiful!!!
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"the body was positively identified as Michael Joseph Jackson by visual comparison to his California Drivers License"
The best joke ever :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
If I look at my driver's licence you could take me directly to prison and possibly find someone looking alike.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
The name is wrong and this sentence is the last proof that there are vivid imaginators working behind the curtain. Today's standard is DNA, not visual comparison of photo with body.
If press is buying this crap then nobody can help them anymore.
I don't want to see MJ on the floor but this sentence alone IMO would have caused him ROFL.
That made me LOL! Ah, Grace, you and I may not always agree, but I definitely do here in this thread! You have such a hawkeye for all of these details that slow old me couldn't get! Bravo!
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That made me LOL! Ah, Grace, you and I may not always agree, but I definitely do here in this thread! You have such a hawkeye for all of these details that slow old me couldn't get! Bravo!
Sometimes, believe me, I feel more like crying with the rain.
But it helps SOOO much to laugh and look at the funny stuff and let go.
You are a great dedicated cat in here and I love you despite we don't agree all the times.
We have come such a long way all together.
If you want to give up, reach out, ok? Cheers...
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Trash cans and yellow things
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Trash cans and yellow things
Yellow things? Particularly "what"?
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Trash cans and yellow things
Yellow things? Particularly "what"?
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Watch the courtroom video! There are yellow things in the room.
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Trash cans and yellow things
Yellow things? Particularly "what"?
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Watch the courtroom video! There are yellow things in the room.
You mean the car on the judges desk and the cushion? Did I miss anything else?
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sorry if somebody already mentioned this, but:
why on earth was he sleeping naked if murray was with him??? :?
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So you guys really think that the things that happened in this is it and in the courtroom are all coincidence? So you think its just normal that they filmed this is it in HD? and that after the credits meant nothing? (normally they put after the credits something special) but now a not good quality piece of film where Mike says important stuff.
You think its coincidence that the jacksons JUST started a real life soap for a jackson 5 reunion just before he died? You think its not weird that the courtroom looked so not real and that there were weird stuff in the room and a calendar with special dates on it, and till now, the date was correct. through 12 februari was a cross, and that day was the release of WATW.
Also the kids have NEVER said ANYTHING about his death or even not: I miss you. NOTHING!!!
you really think thats just coincidences? nah
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So you guys really think that the things that happened in this is it and in the courtroom are all coincidence? So you think its just normal that they filmed this is it in HD? and that after the credits meant nothing? (normally they put after the credits something special) but now a not good quality piece of film where Mike says important stuff.
You think its coincidence that the jacksons JUST started a real life soap for a jackson 5 reunion just before he died? You think its not weird that the courtroom looked so not real and that there were weird stuff in the room and a calendar with special dates on it, and till now, the date was correct. through 12 februari was a cross, and that day was the release of WATW.
Also the kids have NEVER said ANYTHING about his death or even not: I miss you. NOTHING!!!
you really think thats just coincidences? nah
You are so right ;) i have never stopped believing, and I only will, if I see his dead body. His real dead body. And that's never gonna happen.
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So you guys really think that the things that happened in this is it and in the courtroom are all coincidence? So you think its just normal that they filmed this is it in HD? and that after the credits meant nothing? (normally they put after the credits something special) but now a not good quality piece of film where Mike says important stuff.
You think its coincidence that the jacksons JUST started a real life soap for a jackson 5 reunion just before he died? You think its not weird that the courtroom looked so not real and that there were weird stuff in the room and a calendar with special dates on it, and till now, the date was correct. through 12 februari was a cross, and that day was the release of WATW.
Also the kids have NEVER said ANYTHING about his death or even not: I miss you. NOTHING!!!
you really think thats just coincidences? nah
You are so right ;) i have never stopped believing, and I only will, if I see his dead body. His real dead body. And that's never gonna happen.
exactly! Never stop believing. also not after 25 June. Who says he will come back? We just think that? And I already knnow after 25 June people are leaving this forum cuz they don't believe anymore. WHO said he will come back then?? NOBODY JUST US!! so don't lose faith. also not after 25th June.
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YELOW THINGS: ties, flowers, Michael's shirt, toy taxi, rag doll in court room..... !
And now "yellow" casket......
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I so agree with you EVA!,we must never stop believing, we must never give up cause of each trifle "leading" to his "death", we must always bear in mind all the important clues that can definitely serve as "facts" showing that the MAN IS ALIVE!!!and amen to it,i will never give up esp. after june 25, 2010, who said that he will return at that time?Noone!i pray to God for Mike to come back, but it's really very plausible that he will not come back, he will choose to live a quiet life away from this hell that is called show business and papar.,he may only give his fans some really good clues that he is alive and go on with his normal life without a spotlight and hounting people,his clues will be enough for me to keep my hope and belief alive and to be sure that he is alive.
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sorry if somebody already mentioned this, but:
why on earth was he sleeping naked if murray was with him??? :?
I mentioned the same thing on one of these threads. I don't believe it because it is well documented that he was shy and modest. Unless of course you really believe that he peed in cups in dentists offices in full view of other staff and patients :roll:
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??Why must be gone? People...Michael has a serious message here...the evidence hasn't disappeared...if anything the hoax has taken a new turn...we're in a different phase of the hoax now; one that is showing us the obvious contradictions and elements that don't add up...
Here is the point of Dr. Murray and his case...as pointed out by someone else here (4got ur name but good work)
Dr. Murray is being accused of something that no one has proved he's done...the media is already setting him up for a guilty verdict before he has even gotten a trial...(sound familiar?)
Dr. Murray is being dragged through the mud...his name and reputation sullied by the press and people who ASSUME he's guilty...
If Michael wants to prove a point (that you should never judge someone without all the facts being known to you) then Dr Murray is a vehicle to do that...
I won't go beyond this because I honestly believe Michael wants people to think these things out for themselves rather than be spoon-fed...
The point is Dr. Conrad Murray IS INNOCENT because he DID NOT kill Michael...
Michael is not dead...
And if you guys with so little faith would think about all these re-directs and what they are telling us you might find reason to be happy....Why?
I'll let you figure that one out by yourselves.... :lol: posting.php?mode=reply&f=49&t=5141# (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/posting.php?mode=reply&f=49&t=5141#)
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I so agree with you EVA!,we must never stop believing, we must never give up cause of each trifle "leading" to his "death", we must always bear in mind all the important clues that can definitely serve as "facts" showing that the MAN IS ALIVE!!!and amen to it,i will never give up esp. after june 25, 2010, who said that he will return at that time?Noone!i pray to God for Mike to come back, but it's really very plausible that he will not come back, he will choose to live a quiet life away from this hell that is called show business and papar.,he may only give his fans some really good clues that he is alive and go on with his normal life without a spotlight and hounting people,his clues will be enough for me to keep my hope and belief alive and to be sure that he is alive.
yeah exactly :) Maybe he comes back in 2012 or something. WHO KNOWS?? I mean, he does this hoax 1 time in his life, so do it good you know what i mean? don't go away for half a year, do it then for a year or 2 or so! I mean you will never have a quite life again after this hoax so just take 2 years chilltime you know :)
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oh and by the way, Michael supposed to be dead right?? so they act like he is dead ;)
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yep, absolutely agree, it aint a game or a joke, he is supposed to be dead for the whole world, so maybe he will expose himself or may not, we just have to be open-minded to receive the valuable messages that he is sending to us as a proof
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[MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:28 pm
YELOW THINGS: ties, flowers, Michael's shirt, toy taxi, rag doll in court room..... !
And now "yellow" casket....../b]
Okay all these yellow things. Yellow flowers, what does all this suppose to mean?
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[MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:28 pm
YELOW THINGS: ties, flowers, Michael's shirt, toy taxi, rag doll in court room..... !
And now "yellow" casket....../b]
Okay all these yellow things. Yellow flowers, what does all this suppose to mean?
Michael's favorite colors were red ,black,and gold,that's all it means.His brothers made this known during the memorial .