Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: DancingTheDream on February 07, 2010, 04:17:02 PM
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Ok.. this is going around facebook right now like wild-fire and originates from Gerladine Hughes who wrote "Redemption" in favour of MJ... and is in the process of writing a new book in the MJ death case.
She has this on her facebook page so stands by the revelation herself:
THE
LAPD ALREADY HAVE THIS INFO "STUNNING REVELATION about CONRAD MURRAY
from GERALDINE HUGES, author of"REDEMPTION." Geraldine Hughes: "I want
to expose the fact that Murrayleft the premises for 4 hours to meet with a call girl AFTER puttingMichael under the propofol. When he
returned, Michael was already deadand he
spent the remainder of the... time covering his tracks. He hasfailed to
mention that in his so-called time-line.
There is no real justice until the truth is told. I am not in the habit of making false accusations. The statement that I just made about Conrad Murray leaving Michael for 4 hours is verifiable. Meeting with a callgirl is speculated, however, this article proves that this was his nature and very possible, according ...to credible inside sources.
I am providing this information because those interested in knowing what really happened, it seems like we have to do our own investigation and report it amongst ourselves. The media is still ignoring a lot of crucial information in this case. The paramedics admitted that Michael had been dead a long time before coming to the scene. The 911 call delay wasn't a coincidence. The fact that Murray (a cardiologist) wasn't administering CPR properly (on the bed)???
This story makes more sense and, I believe it to be the truth. And, if so, Conrad Murray should be charged with murder, not manslaughter!
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Oh please.
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This is not new. This was reported on some months ago.
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Ive not heard that the LAPD were aware that Dr Murray gave MJ Propfol and then left the house to meet girls!! :shock:
If MJ really was dead for a long time on Murrays return then that proves Frank Dileo and Randy Phillips have pubicly lied as they stated he was on life support at the hopsital!! :shock:
Remember the story that the room MJ was in was stifingly hot?? That fits in with this story... Murray cranked up the heating to try and conceal the time of death by stopping the body from cooling...
Its all really amazing. If this is true.. then Murray should be looking at a bigger charge than 3rd degree murder.
We are in for BIG surprises tomorrow.. i think TMZ have been wrong about a hell of a lot of things you know.
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Dude. Do I have to remind you?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/UCLA_neu_gif.gif)
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Ive not heard that the LAPD were aware that Dr Murray gave MJ Propfol and then left the house to meet girls!! :shock:
If MJ really was dead for a long time on Murrays return then that proves Frank Dileo and Randy Phillips have pubicly lied as they stated he was on life support at the hopsital!! :shock:
Remember the story that the room MJ was in was stifingly hot?? That fits in with this story... Murray cranked up the heating to try and conceal the time of death by stopping the body from cooling...
Its all really amazing. If this is true.. then Murray should be looking at a bigger charge than 3rd degree murder.
We are in for BIG surprises tomorrow.. i think TMZ have been wrong about a hell of a lot of things you know.
So are you thinking Michael is really dead? :shock: :?
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@Bec.. i dont know what i am looking for there?
Sorry, excuse me.. my head is hurting so much right now with all this. xxx
@hope... i dont know what to think. Im 50/50 and always have been... someone is lying and the truth is being distorted and im trying to find my way through it. xxx
Its a death hoax or a murder cover up. One or the other.
I am so apprehensive about tomorrow. xxx
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But what about the story that Michael collapsed in front of the children and they thought he was playing dead like he used to do with them as a joke but then they realised it was not a joke not sure where I read that but thanks for your post it scared me stupid to think this might have happened that he went out to a call girl if this is true it is horrible to inject all that stuff and then to go but wasnt it in the morninfg wouldnt the staff ask where he was going if he was supposed to be on duty
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@Bec.. i dont know what i am looking for there?
Sorry, excuse me.. my head is hurting so much right now with all this. xxx
@hope... i dont know what to think. Im 50/50 and always have been... someone is lying and the truth is being distorted and im trying to find my way through it. xxx
Its a death hoax or a murder cover up. One or the other.
I am so apprehensive about tomorrow. xxx
people thought that was Michaels head popping up there.
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I fit is true he is going to be the most hated man ever I so hope it is all wrong
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@Bec.. i dont know what i am looking for there?
Sorry, excuse me.. my head is hurting so much right now with all this. xxx
@hope... i dont know what to think. Im 50/50 and always have been... someone is lying and the truth is being distorted and im trying to find my way through it. xxx
Its a death hoax or a murder cover up. One or the other.
I am so apprehensive about tomorrow. xxx
I know what you mean, I feel the same. :(
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Bec, about that moving pic, i've studied it and to begin with, the guy who people say is sitting up to me looks to be a paramedic in the dark blue uniform. He has a tiny short ponytail, unlike that of MJ. I am not sure which end the head should be at, because the rest is up near the ambulance end yet everyone seems to be looking at the other end. Also, shouldn't someone be doing cpr and the air bag? Do we know how many paramedics were in attendance at the house?
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I wonder if the time thing works out he gave the medcation in the mid morning then he was supposed to be out for 4 hours then comes back panics does cpr then 911 call does that fit in with the time I amjust trying to pick at it as it is so horrible
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Not a paramedic. Reason #1, ponytails and hair below ear lobe level are expressly against EMT and LAFD dress code protocol. Reason #2, There are 3 paramedics already present in this GIF, two at the head of the stretcher and one at the foot on the left side. Reason #3, there are no legs to accompany this person. Reason #4, this person's head remains level as the other walking people's heads bob up and down with their walking stride. The only other head in this GIF that remains level is the gentleman standing motionless in the doorway.
Conclusion: This ponytailed person is either levitating beside the stretcher or sitting on the stretcher.
Conclusion jumped to: As this is the stretcher unloaded from the ambulance videotaped leaving Michael's residence on 6-25 and arriving at UCLA, this levitating or stretcher riding person is Michael.
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please this is another stupid story, look again at the ambulance photo and than compare to MJ in TII, do you think it looks the same?
Photo National Group, remember? : the photo made by them and they are MJ' s friends.
Photo National Group made also Murray's photos at cemetery, a wrong cemetery anyway
LAPD has the info from Geraldine Huges I DON'T BELILEVE ! And she has the info. from where/whom? Was she in the house with MJ on June 25? And if she has the info from Murray's callgirl :shock: there is no name of this callgirl mentioned.
If LAPD would have had this kind of information for some time they should have arrested Murray immediately, I can't believe this info "came" on Friday.
If Murray left the house in that day there were bodyguards who would have seen, so were are their testimonies related to this?
And in the papers, inclusive in TMZ were a lot of articles that Murray had/have many girlfriends, he is always in love, come on, I'm tired of manipulation.
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Good LORD!if thats true,then that is one of the most ridiculous and careless things i have ever seen a doctor do,especially SUPPOSEDLY a lifesaving,truthsworthy one.NUMBER 1 he left his patient,WHILE THEY WERE UNDER UNDER A MEDICINE THAT MUST BE CONSTANTLY MONITORED AND CAN CAUSE DEATH.numero 2,he left,not for a good reason like an emergency,but to SEE A HOOKER!!?are you serious?this is supposed to be a sad tragedy,not something funny.I want to slap murray myself because this is the kind of crap that makes me want to spit.Please let this not be true.
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Good LORD!:?if thats true,then that is one of the most ridiculous and careless things i have ever seen a doctor do,especially SUPPOSEDLY a lifesaving,truthsworthy one.NUMBER 1 he left his patient,WHILE THEY WERE UNDER UNDER A MEDICINE THAT MUST BE CONSTANTLY MONITORED AND CAN CAUSE DEATH.numero 2,he left,not for a good reason like an emergency,but to SEE A HOOKER!!?are you serious?this is supposed to be a sad tragedy,not something funny.I want to slap murray myself because this is the kind of crap that makes me want to spit.Please let this not be true.
These reports are DESIGNED to evoke these kinds of emotions from people.
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Who is Geraldine Hughes?
Sorry if it´s discussed before or generally known... but this name just caught my eye because of GH...
But actually i dodn´t believe in this GH thing...
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oh, no, is it really true? How does this person know it? If it was the case, so the police should be able to consider the case as murder instead of manslaughter.
:?:
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But does it really look like MJ?
The legs is an interesting point, i can't decide on that yet. The ponytail may be there even though not allowed - does everyone play by the rules? It could be passably short. Who knows on that. He is in paramedic uniform it seems. Everyone else is walking forward pretty much. If you are at the hospital end of the stretcher you may be turned in toward the stretcher as you guide it, rather than pushing it - this may cause less bobbing. If this mystery guy is a paramedic you can see he is not facing forward pushing, he seems to be sideways facing the side of the stretcher. Imagine the different ways you can guide a stretcher.
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Bec, about that moving pic, i've studied it and to begin with, the guy who people say is sitting up to me looks to be a paramedic in the dark blue uniform. He has a tiny short ponytail, unlike that of MJ. I am not sure which end the head should be at, because the rest is up near the ambulance end yet everyone seems to be looking at the other end. Also, shouldn't someone be doing cpr and the air bag? Do we know how many paramedics were in attendance at the house?
If you go into old MJHD archive there were still photos of this video with blow ups of the person sitting up, also if it were a paramedic he would have no legs I remember we researched this alot way back when legs, ears etc. But there were many still photos there.
:)
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Not a paramedic. Reason #1, ponytails and hair below ear lobe level are expressly against EMT and LAFD dress code protocol. Reason #2, There are 3 paramedics already present in this GIF, two at the head of the stretcher and one at the foot on the left side. Reason #3, there are no legs to accompany this person. Reason #4, this person's head remains level as the other walking people's heads bob up and down with their walking stride. The only other head in this GIF that remains level is the gentleman standing motionless in the doorway.
Conclusion: This ponytailed person is either levitating beside the stretcher or sitting on the stretcher.
Conclusion jumped to: As this is the stretcher unloaded from the ambulance videotaped leaving Michael's residence on 6-25 and arriving at UCLA, this levitating or stretcher riding person is Michael.
Precicely you put it so much better than I did. Thanks
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The clarity in that footage really isn't great at all. I understand the valid points you made, but they can also be explained other ways. It is not impossible that person is a paramedic. Did MJ cut his hair - because that ponytail is very short. I think it's a big jump to say it's MJ when it doesn't look like him or the pic is too blurry to tell.
Also why sit up like that when you are clearly visible?
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The clarity in that footage really isn't great at all. I understand the valid points you made, but they can also be explained other ways. It is not impossible that person is a paramedic. Did MJ cut his hair - because that ponytail is very short. I think it's a big jump to say it's MJ when it doesn't look like him or the pic is too blurry to tell.
Also why sit up like that when you are clearly visible?
Yeah, I'm having doubts about a lot of pictures even though people come up with good explanations. It's just not logical :? Although I want to believe it...
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What makes you think the ponytail is short? It's end is obscured by another person. Only where the ponytail originates out of the base of the scull is visible.
Triangulated logic to be sure. But, considering our options, what's more believeable, that it's an EMT, considering the 4 reasons I gave against that theory... or that it's Michael? What makes you say it's illogical that it's Michael? Media reports that he died?
I have 4 reasons why resolving that this is an EMT is illogical and no one has presented a logical reason that it isn't Michael... other then the fact that the media says he died.
So yes, I get that believeing Michael is alive and kicking and entered UCLA fine and dandy is difficult to grasp... but then why are you all here?
Just saying. If we are going to ignore the information that the GIF presents in leu of media reports that we have already and routinely collectively discarded as hearsay or sraight up falsities, then in the end we are STILL NOT thinking outside the box and we are STILL NOT believeing our own eyes and brains and we have learned NOTHING in the course of these 7 months.
So again. In order to research this hoax with any success then you have to turn OFF the TV (metaphorically) and turn ON your own eyes and analytical minds and THINK FOR YOURSELVES.
SO. Discard the information the media presents. Discard what your non-believer friends say. Discard what the general public believes to be true. Shit, even discard what I say, and LOOK AT THE GIF. Look closely at the information we have. Look carefully at the evidence. Look closely at what's real and make up your own mind. But remember, the media is powerful, and they infiltrate your psyche very deeply. All of us under the age of 65ish are TV raised from birth. We have been systematically trained to accept what the pretty lady or the handsome man on the picture box says is true. It's influence runs deep, so deep it's difficult to realise the full extent of it's power. Even we hoaxers have a constant internal and subconscious battle raging within, to independently draw our own conclusions, to put aside what the media tells us is true, he's dead. You see it on the forums and in chat every single day, another one, oh I think he's dead guys, they succumb to the pressure, to the propaganda. Because we all feel that little nagging voice in the back of our heads say "it's not real.... what the box says is real". But that voice isn't reality. That voice is the systematic propaganda we were all born and raised on.
This is the power of the media. They run the entire country. They control the minds and thoughts and perceptions of every single human being who has access to a TV. They control it so deeply is ingrained, like an instinct, like a biological urge.
Dig deep. Our brains still function. We still have the ability to perceive an event and come up with a conclusion based on what our own eyes tell us, completely independently of any outside influence. It's difficult, but please realise what the little voice in your head really is. It's not real. It's the media.
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But does it really look like MJ?
The legs is an interesting point, i can't decide on that yet. The ponytail may be there even though not allowed - does everyone play by the rules? It could be passably short. Who knows on that. He is in paramedic uniform it seems. Everyone else is walking forward pretty much. If you are at the hospital end of the stretcher you may be turned in toward the stretcher as you guide it, rather than pushing it - this may cause less bobbing. If this mystery guy is a paramedic you can see he is not facing forward pushing, he seems to be sideways facing the side of the stretcher. Imagine the different ways you can guide a stretcher.
But if it IS a paramedic, why would he be wearing lipstick? ;)
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I havent seen the moving gif pony tail guy on stretcher in a long time.
When I first saw it months ago, I was convinced the ponytail guy was MJ very quickly, sitting up, turning & laying down. Security guard guy is holding his coat up, shielding view.
Now that i see the moving gif again I believe 110% its MJ sitting up & laying down on stretcher.
Whats to say the ponytail guy isnt MJ? I mean it looks just like him, why wouldnt it be him?
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Maybe the paramedic is a female, hence the ponytail and lipstick. Maybe???
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I havent seen the moving gif pony tail guy on stretcher in a long time.
When I first saw it months ago, I was convinced the ponytail guy was MJ very quickly, sitting up, turning & laying down. Security guard guy is holding his coat up, shielding view.
Now that i see the moving gif again I believe 110% its MJ sitting up & laying down on stretcher.
Whats to say the ponytail guy isnt MJ? I mean it looks just like him, why wouldnt it be him?
But why would he risks being caught sitting up or laying down if he was meant to be dead or at least near death? T
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The way I heard these story, was that CM went to girlfriends (or wife) home. The
one that was called upon for questioning. Though she may be a call girl too.
In regard to this video shot, am I the only one that sees either a security member or
is it CM that hides HIMSELF with coat? The stretcher has already come out, and
he hides nothing but himself?
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What makes you think the ponytail is short? It's end is obscured by another person. Only where the ponytail originates out of the base of the scull is visible.
Triangulated logic to be sure. But, considering our options, what's more believeable, that it's an EMT, considering the 4 reasons I gave against that theory... or that it's Michael? What makes you say it's illogical that it's Michael? Media reports that he died?
I have 4 reasons why resolving that this is an EMT is illogical and no one has presented a logical reason that it isn't Michael... other then the fact that the media says he died.
So yes, I get that believeing Michael is alive and kicking and entered UCLA fine and dandy is difficult to grasp... but then why are you all here?
Just saying. If we are going to ignore the information that the GIF presents in leu of media reports that we have already and routinely collectively discarded as hearsay or sraight up falsities, then in the end we are STILL NOT thinking outside the box and we are STILL NOT believeing our own eyes and brains and we have learned NOTHING in the course of these 7 months.
So again. In order to research this hoax with any success then you have to turn OFF the TV (metaphorically) and turn ON your own eyes and analytical minds and THINK FOR YOURSELVES.
SO. Discard the information the media presents. Discard what your non-believer friends say. Discard what the general public believes to be true. Shit, even discard what I say, and LOOK AT THE GIF. Look closely at the information we have. Look carefully at the evidence. Look closely at what's real and make up your own mind. But remember, the media is powerful, and they infiltrate your psyche very deeply. All of us under the age of 65ish are TV raised from birth. We have been systematically trained to accept what the pretty lady or the handsome man on the picture box says is true. It's influence runs deep, so deep it's difficult to realise the full extent of it's power. Even we hoaxers have a constant internal and subconscious battle raging within, to independently draw our own conclusions, to put aside what the media tells us is true, he's dead. You see it on the forums and in chat every single day, another one, oh I think he's dead guys, they succumb to the pressure, to the propaganda. Because we all feel that little nagging voice in the back of our heads say "it's not real.... what the box says is real". But that voice isn't reality. That voice is the systematic propaganda we were all born and raised on.
This is the power of the media. They run the entire country. They control the minds and thoughts and perceptions of every single human being who has access to a TV. They control it so deeply is ingrained, like an instinct, like a biological urge.
Dig deep. Our brains still function. We still have the ability to perceive an event and come up with a conclusion based on what our own eyes tell us, completely independently of any outside influence. It's difficult, but please realise what the little voice in your head really is. It's not real. It's the media.
Brilliant post. Very well said Bec! I think some people don't realize how much impact the media has had on us all our lives. I think a very valuable lesson with this hoax is in trusting our own instincts.
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Hi everyone,
I have been in Hawaii for 3 weeks now. I had a beautiful time. I am back home and I am catching up on all the news in regards to Michael Jackson's death.
If this information is true then Murry was hired to kill Michael Jackson.When he got home they tied him up and drugged him to death. This makes since but I still can not believe that Michael willingly let this man give him drugs from 2:00am to 11:00am.
But I do not know Michael and never met him so anything is possible. I still believe Michael is alive because none of this makes any since. People listen to me his own baby sister Janet laughed. He escaped from his enemies and they helped him.
Peace!
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Dude. Do I have to remind you?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/UCLA_neu_gif.gif)
Am I the only one who dont see a damn thing in that pic? :x I have seen it for months now and every now and then it pop's up in the forum and I stil cant see zip in it. Much less a ponytail. :cry:
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Ya know when I first read this post the thing that came to my mind was if this is in fact real this is so cruel and such a sad way for such a great human being to have to leave this earth :cry: . Now I have been reading about this ambulance gif and I can't wait to get on the comp and see it to express my thoughts on it :D . I have to admit I am scared for 2marrow but I don't really know why :? I just hope the REAL TRUTH comes out 1 way or the other because this is killing me and I am getting sick honestly :? .Not mad sick but like health sick lols I really wanna see what's gonna go down 2marrow I hope nothing bad :( But I have strong faith tho we will only have more proofs and clues 2marrow I think I have to sleep now school 2marrow Peace and L.O.V.E you guys :D :D :D !
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@Bec.. i dont know what i am looking for there?
Sorry, excuse me.. my head is hurting so much right now with all this. xxx
@hope... i dont know what to think. Im 50/50 and always have been... someone is lying and the truth is being distorted and im trying to find my way through it. xxx
Its a death hoax or a murder cover up. One or the other.
I am so apprehensive about tomorrow. xxx
I'm 100% with you on that. I think all of us would be happy if this is indeed a hoax; but if not it is a very elaborate attempt to cover up a murder. Do we really believe this guy is that stupid? And according to the phone records how could he have been gone when he was making several phone calls during the time MJ was supposedly dying? I mean was he gettin brain or something? And if so he is awfully calm during it. LMAO!
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I havent seen the moving gif pony tail guy on stretcher in a long time.
When I first saw it months ago, I was convinced the ponytail guy was MJ very quickly, sitting up, turning & laying down. Security guard guy is holding his coat up, shielding view.
Now that i see the moving gif again I believe 110% its MJ sitting up & laying down on stretcher.
Whats to say the ponytail guy isnt MJ? I mean it looks just like him, why wouldnt it be him?
But why would he risks being caught sitting up or laying down if he was meant to be dead or at least near death? T
He's sitting up turning round very, very quickly, so quickly you can harldy see him. Its not like he sitting up enjoying the ride. There is no risk becuz he is surrounded by tall men holding up coats & such. I can even see his forhead & black eyebrows, ponytail. I stil think its MJ.
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What makes you think the ponytail is short? It's end is obscured by another person. Only where the ponytail originates out of the base of the scull is visible.
Triangulated logic to be sure. But, considering our options, what's more believeable, that it's an EMT, considering the 4 reasons I gave against that theory... or that it's Michael? What makes you say it's illogical that it's Michael? Media reports that he died?
I have 4 reasons why resolving that this is an EMT is illogical and no one has presented a logical reason that it isn't Michael... other then the fact that the media says he died.
So yes, I get that believeing Michael is alive and kicking and entered UCLA fine and dandy is difficult to grasp... but then why are you all here?
Just saying. If we are going to ignore the information that the GIF presents in leu of media reports that we have already and routinely collectively discarded as hearsay or sraight up falsities, then in the end we are STILL NOT thinking outside the box and we are STILL NOT believeing our own eyes and brains and we have learned NOTHING in the course of these 7 months.
So again. In order to research this hoax with any success then you have to turn OFF the TV (metaphorically) and turn ON your own eyes and analytical minds and THINK FOR YOURSELVES.
SO. Discard the information the media presents. Discard what your non-believer friends say. Discard what the general public believes to be true. Shit, even discard what I say, and LOOK AT THE GIF. Look closely at the information we have. Look carefully at the evidence. Look closely at what's real and make up your own mind. But remember, the media is powerful, and they infiltrate your psyche very deeply. All of us under the age of 65ish are TV raised from birth. We have been systematically trained to accept what the pretty lady or the handsome man on the picture box says is true. It's influence runs deep, so deep it's difficult to realise the full extent of it's power. Even we hoaxers have a constant internal and subconscious battle raging within, to independently draw our own conclusions, to put aside what the media tells us is true, he's dead. You see it on the forums and in chat every single day, another one, oh I think he's dead guys, they succumb to the pressure, to the propaganda. Because we all feel that little nagging voice in the back of our heads say "it's not real.... what the box says is real". But that voice isn't reality. That voice is the systematic propaganda we were all born and raised on.
This is the power of the media. They run the entire country. They control the minds and thoughts and perceptions of every single human being who has access to a TV. They control it so deeply is ingrained, like an instinct, like a biological urge.
Dig deep. Our brains still function. We still have the ability to perceive an event and come up with a conclusion based on what our own eyes tell us, completely independently of any outside influence. It's difficult, but please realise what the little voice in your head really is. It's not real. It's the media.
Brilliant post. Very well said Bec! I think some people don't realize how much impact the media has had on us all our lives. I think a very valuable lesson with this hoax is in trusting our own instincts.
Applause!!! :D Your wording may have been better than the one I was using but I have been trying to say this for quite a while now. To tell you the truth, I hardly watch tv and to my disapointment I missed this past Dateline covering Michael Jackson. Very seldom do I buy tabloids unless I am going somewhere that I know I will be bored out of my tree with nothing to do, however before even starting to read the crap I am aware that what I am about to read is mainly fictional or completely blown out of proportion or even taken out of context.
I am so glad to hear others share my point of view on this investigation. :D mouah!!!! :lol:
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if it is true that Murray was covering his tracks.. I guess he is the one with the surveillance tapes?
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I havent seen the moving gif pony tail guy on stretcher in a long time.
When I first saw it months ago, I was convinced the ponytail guy was MJ very quickly, sitting up, turning & laying down. Security guard guy is holding his coat up, shielding view.
Now that i see the moving gif again I believe 110% its MJ sitting up & laying down on stretcher.
Whats to say the ponytail guy isnt MJ? I mean it looks just like him, why wouldnt it be him?
But why would he risks being caught sitting up or laying down if he was meant to be dead or at least near death? T
He's sitting up turning round very, very quickly, so quickly you can harldy see him. Its not like he sitting up enjoying the ride. There is no risk becuz he is surrounded by tall men holding up coats & such. I can even see his forhead & black eyebrows, ponytail. I stil think its MJ.
The sideburns seem to short in my opinion, plus he was supposedly put in head first according the the ambulance pic (yeah I know we've all debated the authenticity of it). I don't believe he'd risk being caught. He would of known photographers would be there. But if you believe it's MJ, hey no worries. Heaps of others believe the same thing. We're both on the same team here. Just because I don't think it's him, doesn't mean it changes the fact that we are both hoax believers :) .
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I need to point out from a previous post, just because others (including me) do not believe the person in the stretcher is Michael, that does not mean we've allowed the media to control and condition our minds. The media aren't the ones analyizing this picture. It's us with our own eyes and own opinions. This has nothing to do with them, but simply things some of us see or don't see.
If we believed what the media said, or if they are "controlling us", we wouldn't be here now would we. Try not to label people just because they don't agree with what you see or say.
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Hi guys!
I have been reading this site and i like it i too believe that MJ is totally alive .
but let me say this about GERALDINE HUGHES.
Although i think she is a very nice woman, and i have read her previous book,
I think she should keep and open mind.
What she is saying, she got it from the lady who said on CNN that she was taking care of MJ.
You remember the nurse?
her name is SHERYL Lee i think.
She was the one who started talking about Propofol which started the investigation about the cause of death, and DOC MURRAY.
As far as i am concerned.
SHERYLL Lee thought she knew MJ but she obviously doesn't.
some people who worked for MJ whether it's for yrs or 5 minutes , they tend to claim to know the man, but they don't.
What sheryll lyn DON'T KNOW IS THAT MJ HAD THE PLAN FOR YRS,
and not everybody is in on the hoax.
And let me say this,
some people have been used without knowing that they were and are being used in this hoax.
cause for all they know people die everyday and MJ is not exempt from dying.
Sheryl Lee the nurse only knows what MJ asked the bodyguards to tell her including anyone who will be curious to find out what happened.
But she went and ran her mouth to Geraldine and told her that she knows everything that happened.
the Police and F.B.I know what's up.
they don't need the media to find out what is happening.
they monitor every website, everything in combed to its finest.
thoroughly combed through.
they are monitoring this website as we speak cause they know that you are close to the truth and they need to make sure that everything is convered.
don't worry about DOC Murray being charged,
the man is set for life.
someone has to be the fall guy.
his bills are paid in full.
Also, as far as KAREN FAYE is concerned,
she has never been a friend of Michael, cause a friend don't go around calling another, Drug addict.
Dirty laundry washes in private.
and i would suggest the fans to stay home tomorrow, cause they will get arrested if they misbehave.
Listening to Karen is not going to bring MJ back, But only get the fans in troubles.
MJ has turned the page and moved on.
he needs to be left alone.
MJ does not belong to anyone.
But to God and his family.
God bless.
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You say:
MJ has turned the page and moved on.
he needs to be left alone.
...but you have chosen your screename to be "Do It Now MJ".
So what exactly is IT that you want MJ to DO NOW?
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Bravoo DOITNOWMJ ;) , agree ;)
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You say:
MJ has turned the page and moved on.
he needs to be left alone.
...but you have chosen your screename to be "Do It Now MJ".
So what exactly is IT that you want MJ to DO NOW?
What i want him to do now is LIVE FOR HIMSELF.
and enjoy life to the fullest.
be happy, and be healthy.
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I appreciate what you have said DOITNOWMJ, but I have my doubts that the FBI are monitoring EVERY hoax site and are up on their game. They don't even manage to keep up with all the illegal child trafficking and child pornography sites which is far more serious crimes then monitoring a hoax site and a bunch of hoax believers.
You state things as if they are fact. I don't mean any disrepect, but if you really were in the know, you wouldn't be here. I believe people privy to the truth about this hoax are minimal and limited to those he really trusted. Hence the silence of his true friends and certain members of his family.
But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, however we've seen enough people over the past 7 months claiming truth when it's just theory like the rest of us.
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You say:
MJ has turned the page and moved on.
he needs to be left alone.
...but you have chosen your screename to be "Do It Now MJ".
So what exactly is IT that you want MJ to DO NOW?
What i want him to do now is LIVE FOR HIMSELF.
and enjoy life to the fullest.
be happy, and be healthy.
I do agree with you on this one :) . I wish all this for MJ too.
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Hey, this is my first post here. I am reading on this Forum for weeks and now I finally registered, to be able to post sometimes. :)
My 2 cents on this - even if I respect GHughes I do not think she knows that much. She was a witness back in the 1993, now she got only some connections and might hear some things, some of them non verifiable.
- I do not think it's Mike on the GIF. Look on his butt and legs, Mike was way skinnier than this. Maybe Mike from 2001-2002 would be like that, but Mike from our days, not...
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Doesn't this sound familiar?
"A responsible leaves a person that is helpless, innocent, confided to him alone in order to have sex and all of this just for fun?"
This would be really getting into deep holes of double-moral and openly condemned taboos and rolling up every detail of the past accusals - just in a new case.
If all the mud must really be digged up then care you tie yourself well in this superlooping.
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Am I the only one who dont see a damn thing in that pic? :x I have seen it for months now and every now and then it pop's up in the forum and I stil cant see zip in it. Much less a ponytail. :cry:
No, I can't see anything either? Are there any still photos where this person who sits up and looks round quickly is circled? Coz I've stared at that GIF for so long, my eyes hurt.. but I still can't see what people are talking about.
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EGG ON HER FACE ..BIG TIME...WHEN HE COMES BACK......WHICH HE WILL......LETS NOT FORGET THE NAMES OF ALL THESE "SAD" SODS THAT WANT ATTENTION........HOPE YOU ARE KEEPING A LIST......CAUSE.....I AM..!!!!!!...XXXX
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Hope this helps:
the person is sitting, bending back and then turning her face to the right so that a ponytail may be seen.
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(Remark: about the second pic I have the doubt of photoshop.)
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Hi everyone....REALLY IMPORTANT!!! Please look at the first gif posted and watch who comes out of the ambulance. There are better videos of it on you tube and you can only see him for a split second. I first noticed the man holding the jacket up to sheild someone coming out of the ambulance so I kept watching and saw the person coming out. Who else would have been in the ambulance that needed to be shielded??? It appears that everyone is already out. In the you tube video the person ducks inside so you don't see him again. The mannerisms are familiar though...hand up by his face. Please tell me what you think!
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please this is another stupid story, look again at the ambulance photo and than compare to MJ in TII, do you think it looks the same?
Photo National Group, remember? : the photo made by them and they are MJ' s friends.
Photo National Group made also Murray's photos at cemetery, a wrong cemetery anyway
LAPD has the info from Geraldine Huges I DON'T BELILEVE ! And she has the info. from where/whom? Was she in the house with MJ on June 25? And if she has the info from Murray's callgirl :shock: there is no name of this callgirl mentioned.
If LAPD would have had this kind of information for some time they should have arrested Murray immediately, I can't believe this info "came" on Friday.
If Murray left the house in that day there were bodyguards who would have seen, so were are their testimonies related to this?
And in the papers, inclusive in TMZ were a lot of articles that Murray had/have many girlfriends, he is always in love, come on, I'm tired of manipulation.
But you are willing to believe your own eyes when looking at a photo you believe to be a fake? So what if it was a fake photo? That is in NO WAY proof that Michael is not dead. That means someone wanted to get paid, that is ALL it means, nothing more.
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Now I see it! I was lookign for the wrong guy... lol Thank you for the pics with explanations.
Now to be really sure, we must see he original video, posted by an original source or a fan that is not interested in hoax.
Then make it slow motion, extract a gif and we can draw conclusions.
The fact that his legs are not observable is easy to answer, his legs are lower than the head - he sits - so those are not observable.
But ' Mike' is dressed in dark. Was he in dark in the ambulance?
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WHAT ABOUT THE THEORY THAT MICHEAL LEFT THE HOUSE......ON THE TOUR BUS........???????...WHY WOULD IT BE EVEN NECESSARY FOR HIM TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS AT ALL..........LOTS OF QUESTIONS HERE!!!!!....XXXXX
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There are no iv's hooked up to the person on the stretcher, no one looks particularly frantic or worried, they (dr murray anyway) look like they are sauntering in - not rushing, the stretcher is raised (this wouldn't be the case for someone not living), and a body guard holds up a coat to sheild one last person who is coming out of the ambulance - how many people were riding in there??!! The figure dressed in black pops out with his arm up hiding his face and ducks into emerg (sheilded by a body guard so it is someone who doesn't want his face to be seen?)
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Hope this helps:
the person is sitting, bending back and then turning her face to the right so that a ponytail may be seen.
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(Remark: about the second pic I have the doubt of photoshop.)
The second pic is so clearly photoshoped....the face they tried to fix in the pic has no relief and isnt even the same "size" (scale? or however u say that in english)
Which indeed makes me this they are all photoshoped
especially since we cant see the face on the footage.... :cry:
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If it's photoshopped then ET shopped it. Which is extremely unplausable.
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This is not new. This was reported on some months ago.
Hi Rita, I didn't hear months ago about Murray leaving the property -unless I just plum forgot = who reported that?
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Hi everyone....REALLY IMPORTANT!!! Please look at the first gif posted and watch who comes out of the ambulance. There are better videos of it on you tube and you can only see him for a split second. I first noticed the man holding the jacket up to sheild someone coming out of the ambulance so I kept watching and saw the person coming out. Who else would have been in the ambulance that needed to be shielded??? It appears that everyone is already out. In the you tube video the person ducks inside so you don't see him again. The mannerisms are familiar though...hand up by his face. Please tell me what you think!
Dr. Murray
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@Bec I laugh so much with your first post! i even think that I can imagine your expression with the "dude!" LOL
@DOITNOWMJ .. I love your name.. I also want him to do it now... whetever it is.. but now!
Dreamssssssss... I see the problem here... there is a reason for you to believe this thing you posted and to be alarmed, this little problem is.. that you haven't seen all the topics reffering to michael being alive, otherwise you wouldn't ask about the gif that Bec posted, because it was one of the most discussed thing here and in youtube as well as in other forums.
This arrival at the hospital is so well known as the death certificate or the will, I hope you are not missing others important topics because then you have a looot of work to do as a believer.. not because you MUST to.. but if you don't wanna get down with each news you find on the web or in a news channel, then is better to be with so many many maaany information regardin his hoax death as possible.
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Now about the man in the strecher... maybe is not Michael, but it was someone who was there to make us believe it was Michael standing up. This was one of the frst "clues" or "strange things" that we started to see when this all thing begun.
Lots of L.O.V.E
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Bec, if that person is MJ why on earth did he sit up? Why not stay lying down, what is to be gained from sitting up? Also, why is he wearing dark clothing very similar to that of the paramedics and why do the security guards only obscure the lower vicinity of the stretcher (as you would do if someone was lying there) instead of holding their jackets higher to conceal someone sitting up? That person seemingly coming out of the ambulance, is that not someone trying to get a picture (hands raised to face) hence why the security guard puts up his jacket in front of this person? Problem is we cannot see the bottom of the pic as it is obscured by the vehicle, so this chap may in fact not be stepping out from the ambulance as assumed. But it looks like the chap is trying to get a picture and the guard is reacting to this person IMO.
The ponytail. Quote, 'What makes you think the ponytail is short? It's end is obscured by another person. Only where the ponytail originates out of the base of the scull is visible.' Exactly, the end is obscured so it cannot be proven that it is long or short. As for the legs issue, beneath the stretcher is such a jumble of blue legs and since the mystery person is on the other side it is very difficult or impossible to conclusively prove that his legs are not obscured by those we can see. The head bobbing - I think this really depends on how you walk? Conrad Murray's head does not bob. So again, the head may not be bobbing because mystery person is sitting or because the person's walk does not produce a bob.
The other point to make is we do not know where this person came from. It is unfortunate there is no footage of the ambulance doors opening and then the stretcher moving from there, because then we would know how all these people came to be in the position pictured. Also, am i correct in saying the moving footage is actually a sequence of pictures and not filmed?
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The media reports that MJ has died based on what is reported to them. Have the media themselves concocted a story all on their own - for what purpose? To protect MJ because he wanted to leave public life? Is the autopsy report and affidavit false? Newspapers (some) sensationalise stories to sell papers. Some have known obligations to political parties and therefore print stories that support this. Generally, reliable news broadcasters (Sky news, BBC News) do have proper sources and are reliable. The reporters that work for these news broadcasters should always report objectively and fairly. In the case of MJ and his trial, I believe it was the newspapers mainly finding him guilty - not TV reporters (aside from diane dimond)? I understand about media bias and influence, but to say the media as a whole is actively putting forward a huge lie about MJ being dead really tops it. It is ridiculous. I'm all for independent thought, but this idea of media propaganda to this extent is irrational and more like the brainwashing you're trying to avoid. To use this GIF in any shape or form as conclusive evidence is not sensible - how do you know these images aren't propaganda to falsely make you think he's alive?
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Sigh.
Ok, look.
For those of you VERY late on the hoax community scene. There are 7 pics that make up this GIF. 4 of these pics were released immediatly following 6-25. Those 4 pics do not reveal the "mystery head" between the heads. The no-mystery head pics were a curiousity, and proved that the photographer followed the ambulance to UCLA, and caught shots of the stretcher being unloaded, nothing more.
BTW, the stretcher is not being pushed head first, it is being pushed properly, feet first, and FYI, it is elevated.
Then, one day in September, randomly, ET runs an article re: the MJ thing and with this article they ran 3 random pics of this scene. Those 3 random pics were much larger then this GIF and showed the entire surrounding area, the ambulance, the UCLA sign and the back of the building including cars driving down the street between the camera and the building.
One clever hoaxer noticed that these NEW 3 pics were not the same as the old 4 pics we already had seen and posted the article on the old mjhd. Another clever hoaxer noticed something VERY INTERESTING between the heads that was not apparent in the old 4 pics.
Are you following me now?
That clever hoaxer, who's name I forgot, enlarged and cropped these NEW 3 pics and presented them along side the originals and said "WTF IS THAT???"
Then another clever hoaxer, who's name I forgot, took all 7 pics and made them into a GIF.
And the hoax community REELED.
Got it?
So. If it's photoshopped, ET did it. Which makes no sense at all. Totally unrealistic.
So, why'd MJ sit up? Maybe we were SUPPOSED TO SEE HIM.
There's a reason, IMO, that these 3 pics, that just so happen to reveal the head between the heads were held back... and then released suddenly, quietly, and randomly, months after 6-25.
Maybe, just maybe, Ben Evenstad or whatever the fuck his name is, was SUPPOSED to photograph these tiny glimpses of Michael. MAYBE.
I mean, why else would these 3 pics, randomly in the middle of the sequence, be held back for months. And why else would they SUDDENLY be released, all 3 together, accompanying the same random article. And why did ET, the same company who bought and released the ambulance pic, get them.
Those are the questions that should be asked. Now that you are all up to speed, maybe we can have a good discussion.
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I'm sorry, but I'm 100% sure that the person with ponytail is paramedic. Not sure if is a woman or man, but is 100% NOT Michael. If that was Michael his ponytail would look different- way more full and curly. Not straight and skinny. He had straight hair only when he used wigs, and when he had a ponytail he had hair extentions weaved to his own hair.
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Bec, i was there when those pics were posted on old MJHD. My main point of concern was that you stated that this mystery person was 'Not a paramedic' and gave 4 reason why. Except the reasons you give are not strong enough to prove that it is impossible for this person to be a paramedic.
By the way i will go back and look at those pics to see if they are any clearer, but the whole frenzy surrounding these pics relies on the belief that this person is MJ, and that cannot be even visually proven.
It also goes without saying that to contemplate that this person is MJ, the autopsy report, affidavit, court proceedings etc ALL have to be false. Without being dramatic, how likely is that?
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I have given countless bits of supporting evidence to back up what I SEE in that GIF, and I'm gonna be real honest QD, I frankly don't give a shit if you believe or not. Reality doesn't hinge on a unnanymous vote.
I've given an entire novel on why the court proceedings and affidavit don't have to be and probably aren't fake. The autopsey? Frankly doesn't have to be fake either. You haven't supported your argument, you've just argued.
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Good LORD!:?if thats true,then that is one of the most ridiculous and careless things i have ever seen a doctor do,especially SUPPOSEDLY a lifesaving,truthsworthy one.NUMBER 1 he left his patient,WHILE THEY WERE UNDER UNDER A MEDICINE THAT MUST BE CONSTANTLY MONITORED AND CAN CAUSE DEATH.numero 2,he left,not for a good reason like an emergency,but to SEE A HOOKER!!?are you serious?this is supposed to be a sad tragedy,not something funny.I want to slap murray myself because this is the kind of crap that makes me want to spit.Please let this not be true.
These reports are DESIGNED to evoke these kinds of emotions from people.
I agree - we shouldn't jump on a bandwagon just because someone makes a claim. She is only speculating with little to no fact. Michael would not want us to crucify Dr Murray without him having his day in court. The truth will prevail in the end. In the meantime we should be searching for real clues. Blessings.
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Interesting about the photos making up the GIF Bec. Thanks for that info!
I wondered who the guy is with the mustache, he is seen only in one photo and not the others. Did he move away so far he's not in them? Hope you know who I am talking about.
Also any photos of Murray that day beside the T-shirt picture here? Just curious about that too.Can't actually ask anybody that was there that saw him, since you don't know whether to believe them or not!!
Any links would be great!
Oh we are a scrutinizing bunch eh??
Thank MJ for that!!!
Love you MORE!
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The person cannot be a paramedic. Why?
Because the distance between his head and the other heads in the front plane is too short. That means that paramedic was sitting on the stretcher above the patient, without consideration for him... and that's impossible, we all know that.
Now I would so want link toward that original ET article with the pics released months after the 25 June. I would wanna see myself... :) Maybe the article is still floating on web, somewhere....
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I remember X17 online to have the pics.
Check this out - there's more around:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/michae ... 252009.php (http://x17online.com/celebrities/michael_jackson/michael_jackson_passes_away_at_age_50-06252009.php)
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well i thought murray disappered after michael was taken to hospital police were unable to trace the dr after the incident not during?
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Someone mentioned that in the moving footage you can see someone coming out of the ambulance that could be MJ. Is this not an image of the said person and is he not another security guard holding up his jacket.
http://www.bittenandbound.com/wp-conten ... center.jpg (http://www.bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/michael-jackson-arrives-via-ambulance-at-ucla-medical-center.jpg)
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aawwww I'vE seen so many videos about this hoax that when I need to remember only one, I can't!
I saw a video on YT that will clarify this pictures... some user wich I don't remember the name, made a video with this photos and put a border line with differents colours for each person.. of course the head of that one that we see, has no leg.. so the colour only is seeing there! in the head.. and you see it so clear with those border that you can't imagine there are two legs missing between the other legs :)
either was Michael or not.. is the same thing... the one that was in the ambulance wasn't death, and for me, that is more than enough!
Love you all!
Lots of L.O.V.E!!