Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Hoax Pictures => Topic started by: Sternschen87 on January 31, 2010, 12:01:01 PM
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The paparazzi themself said, it is till today a myth who made the foto!
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I refuse to believe that it is possible to get that pic from those windows.
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Has anyone seen or heard this guy talking, the one who took the picture? We've heard Ben say who it was and we've heard Ben give his account of how it came to be, but if the guys who work as Papps don't know who he is, why should we take the word of Ben, who everyone knows was a friend of MJ's.
You'd think he would tell his story.
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Could this man be someone who sat on the starline sightseeing bus??? On you tube there's a vid of the sightseeing bus who was there at the moment and I saw someone running back to the bus, I think, not sure tho...
I still believe MJ's face doesn't look like 2009, it looks to young and his nose looks different. It is not the 50 year old Mike! You must compare the pic with other pictures of '09 and younger pics and look closely at his nose. I tell you wether he's dead or not that ambo pic is not the genuine one!
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It was Christopher Weiss. He was there with Ben Evanstad.
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I refuse to believe that it is possible to get that pic from those windows.
i agree..not with the tinted windows and a moving ambulance
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I refuse to believe that it is possible to get that pic from those windows.
i agree..not with the tinted windows and a moving ambulance
It's possible:
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=4518 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=4518)
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yeah it's possible but I still think the photo is fake .. my feeling say it's fake .. :?
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I think it's a staged picture which was taken some day before, they must have rehearsed the "death" So whoever took it must be in the hoax anyways.
Christopher Weiss...that's Ben said indeed,does anyone has a picture of this guy ?If we have we can compare it to the guy in the ambulance video.
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I've searched for pictures from Weiss yesterday, but I haven't found it yet.
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Tina K, I'm with you on that one. I don't care what anyone says, there is no way any anyone could have got the clear photo, and the angle of it, from taking a photo from the outside of the ambulance. I have always believed that, and nothing will change my mind.
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Tina K, I'm with you on that one. I don't care what anyone says, there is no way any anyone could have got the clear photo, and the angle of it, from taking a photo from the outside of the ambulance. I have always believed that, and nothing will change my mind.
i agree with you guys
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So even the paparazzis wonders...very interesting :!:
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Tina K, I'm with you on that one. I don't care what anyone says, there is no way any anyone could have got the clear photo, and the angle of it, from taking a photo from the outside of the ambulance. I have always believed that, and nothing will change my mind.
Even though I have successfully done it??
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I want to recap and summarize a little:
Yes the ambo photo is a "possible" photo to do.
It is possible to put MJ face (no matter which one, many can fit with PS)
It is possible to stage it all as a photo shooting sesion.
It is possible taking this photo without the photographer reflectted.
To me the key clue with the ambo photo is the red car reflection.
As far as I´ve seen, I ´see a clear exit for the van, when the photo is taken.
No red car there, (it should have been parking in paralelo, really close,
to the left of the photographer).
I can´t see the car, and there is no room for it.
There is another detail that I recently saw.
The reflection´s ground doesn´t fit.
It shows the lights and shadows of the tree leaves in the ground.
That fits with the ground under the van, not to the right,
which is all sunny, light and clear of shadows.
I mean 6 feet from the van right side, the ground that should be reflected.
The only way to proove this photo is fake telling us something,
is saying why it is impossible, not how it is possible.
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Tina K, I'm with you on that one. I don't care what anyone says, there is no way any anyone could have got the clear photo, and the angle of it, from taking a photo from the outside of the ambulance. I have always believed that, and nothing will change my mind.
Even though I have successfully done it??
Please fill me in...
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Sorry, but I think this photo is fake.
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Even though I have successfully done it??
I think that I've seen that topic of yours when you shown it to us how it was possible to make a picture through a tinted window...but I wonder about one thing : it's not doubting what you're saying at all,because you have photographic evidence,but did you do these pictures with a moving ambulance,running around this moving ambulance ? I think it's possible to do through a tinted window,yes because cameras nowadays are really good...but come on,such a clear,so well taken,not being blurry at all,in such good position...almost as people think it's staged..is it possible to do it ?I'm not saying it's not but tough it's strange,really strange that an assistant cameraman made this beautiful shot of someone in a moving ambulance,without to mention that the subject seem like a healthy 30-years old altough he is 50 and was described as a drug addict,frail and at death-door...
Not saying that I don't believe you(you know better,because you're in medical field,right ?),but understand that people here don't accept it,it's too perfect to be true for us.
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I like this article. If you are a paparazzi you wait all the day with other 20 or 30 papparazzi in front of the door, restaurant... etc. And with the time you know the people, liek he said in the article...
And if he is saying that he was no professional photgrapher. Why the hell a non professional is able to make such a good photo?
No way...
@LAdyMedic...
Can you post your photo? So we can have a look.
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I like this article. If you are a paparazzi you wait all the day with other 20 or 30 papparazzi in front of the door, restaurant... etc. And with the time you know the people, liek he said in the article...
And if he is saying that he was no professional photgrapher. Why the hell a non professional is able to make such a good photo?
No way...
@LAdyMedic...
Can you post your photo? So we can have a look.
I started a thread in the Ambulance forum.
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I like this article. If you are a paparazzi you wait all the day with other 20 or 30 papparazzi in front of the door, restaurant... etc. And with the time you know the people, liek he said in the article...
And if he is saying that he was no professional photgrapher. Why the hell a non professional is able to make such a good photo?
No way...
@LAdyMedic...
Can you post your photo? So we can have a look.
I started a thread in the Ambulance forum.
I've already found it ;)
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needless to say that pic is not 2009 mj.
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/QTGONEWILD1/THE%20KING/photoalbum_61726827_user1812985-1.jpg)
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it would seem strange that death would make you look younger and healthier?
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Looked healthier without the makeup, but the media couldn't let that be they had to rag on the 'color'.
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my[KING]"]needless to say that pic is not 2009 mj.
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/QTGONEWILD1/THE%20KING/photoalbum_61726827_user1812985-1.jpg)
so right
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The picture is false because it is a fabrication. There can be a reflection of the red car because the body of what is blocking paparazzi. Recall that the ambulance is moving. <BR>Sorry for my English .....
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This is the ONLY thing that is stopping me from thinking this is a hoax i mean with the blood in the tube and the purple skin pigment on the jaw and the fact that the tube is actually down his throat...just saying this is the only thing that is stopping me from believing completely that its a hoax...well a few others to but this one is top on my list...
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really is that supposed to be blood in the tube??? i dont see it as such.
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/QTGONEWILD1/THE%20KING/photoalbum_61726827_user1812985-1.jpg)
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Don't forget the stories from Michael's friends in which they claim MJ used to prank people, namely the stories about mannequins and ambulance cars...
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the ambulance vid shows a guy coming out that's not mj, no sign of him in the photoshop,
thought there would not be sufficient space
so mj, dr murray, mystery guy and the ambulance crew?
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Ya know, it all seems SO staged. If the paramedics were working on MJ, giving him air, etc etc, usually ppl are RUSHED to the hospital, so why was the ambulance reversing SO slowly out of the driveway? B/c they wanted to ensure that the "papparazzi" had time to set up that fake shot. ;)
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http://www.celebitchy.com/61183/photogr ... it_was_me/ (http://www.celebitchy.com/61183/photographer_who_captured_jacksons_last_photo_im_glad_it_was_me/)
it looks like MJ even knew the photographer...he could have created the fake photo pretty easily...
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i love it that the same company keeps getting the "pics" that just cracks me up.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad7pzQ4_694&feature=fvw
Not sure if you guys have seen this video. The 1985 ambulance photo is almost identical to the supposed 2009 one.
What do you think?
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Yes I saw it but the author of this video himself, after that, said that the 1985 pic was a fake that some one sent him or he found faked, and doesn´t even exist... which is true as fas as I know...
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yeap seen it on YT or on here or both, i dont know about you, but YT broadcasters are not coming up with new hoax stuff, some of it looks like it was already discussed here, not a prob - their not a public service.
by if there is a YT hoax broadcaster out there, do you have anything on the halloween event? as that bugging me. thank you.
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The red car reflected in the picture, hmm.. Why was it like 10-20 meter away the guy who took the one picture..
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this photo is fake.. :?
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The red reflection on the pane east can be the shirt of the photographer!!
This I have a red shirt. :?
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NOW ITS PROVED ITS A FAKE. THE LAWYER ADMITTED IS FAKE..BUT WHY WOULD HE DO THAT? :S DOESNT HE KNOW THAT SAYING THIS WOULD WAKE UP MORE SUSPECTS MJ IS ALIVE? MAYBE THATS THE PURPOSE HUH.
ANOTHER THING...IVE READ THERES AN AUDIO OF THE 911 IN WHERE A PERSON SAYS : " ITS MICHAEL JACKSON, WE CANT RESURRECT HIM" HAVE ANYBODY OF YOU HEARD ABOUT THIS?
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WHY, WHY, DOEST HE LIVE IN THAT WAY?
I LIKE LIVING THIS WAY!!
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tmz told: it's fake 8-)
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this photo is fake.. :?
Yeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssss.........it's fake.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Okay, but when it's fake why did the paparazzi get paid for it?
Or should we ask: Did the paparazzi, a good friend of Mike, fake it? ;)
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NOW ITS PROVED ITS A FAKE. THE LAWYER ADMITTED IS FAKE..BUT WHY WOULD HE DO THAT? :S DOESNT HE KNOW THAT SAYING THIS WOULD WAKE UP MORE SUSPECTS MJ IS ALIVE? MAYBE THATS THE PURPOSE HUH.
It's not PROVED fake. Oxman doesn't have any more proof than anyone else. He just THINKS it's a fake.
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NOW ITS PROVED ITS A FAKE. THE LAWYER ADMITTED IS FAKE..BUT WHY WOULD HE DO THAT? :S DOESNT HE KNOW THAT SAYING THIS WOULD WAKE UP MORE SUSPECTS MJ IS ALIVE? MAYBE THATS THE PURPOSE HUH.
It's not PROVED fake. Oxman doesn't have any more proof than anyone else. He just THINKS it's a fake.
yes thats true
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I must start off saying this. I am a photographer and it is possible to take a flash picture through that window. Just like Ben said, flash right up to the window.
About the red car:
There was a red car across the street. You can see it in this video at 1:37. Some say it was to the left, so how could it be in the picture? Well, the picture, if taken at an angle, would pick up an image from the opposite side. Try this: look into a mirror at an angle. Do you see the objects that are on the side? Now look straight into the mirror, you don't see them now.
After all that, I must say that I believe the photo is fake and a set up. Here's why:
Look at this picture:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/proofpic.jpg)
This is supposed to be a pic of the "photographer" taking the picture. You see the man in the tan shirt taking the pic. The man in the red shirt is far to the left. They are not near each other. Some even say that the man in the red shirt took the "picture".
Now look at this video at 1:30
[youtube:25rnrpov]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU[/youtube:25rnrpov]
Don't they look to be near each other?
Another thing about that top picture is that security is behind with their hands on the doors and the man in red is far left, but in the video starting at 1:28 the man in the red shirt is still on the side of the ambulance when security is behind.
What do you guys think?
Em
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I must start off saying this. I am a photographer and it is possible to take a flash picture through that window. Just like Ben said, flash right up to the window.
About the red car:
There was a red car across the street. You can see it in this video at 1:37. Some say it was to the left, so how could it be in the picture? Well, the picture, if taken at an angle, would pick up an image from the opposite side. Try this: look into a mirror at an angle. Do you see the objects that are on the side? Now look straight into the mirror, you don't see them now.
After all that, I must say that I believe the photo is fake and a set up. Here's why:
Look at this picture:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/proofpic.jpg)
This is supposed to be a pic of the "photographer" taking the picture. You see the man in the tan shirt taking the pic. The man in the red shirt is far to the left. They are not near each other. Some even say that the man in the red shirt took the "picture".
Now look at this video at 1:30
[youtube:gvq02kms]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU[/youtube:gvq02kms]
Don't they look to be near each other?
Another thing about that top picture is that security is behind with their hands on the doors and the man in red is far left, but in the video starting at 1:28 the man in the red shirt is still on the side of the ambulance when security is behind.
What do you guys think?
Em
I think your right ! Great post Em ! it's good with some proffesional proove here. I ahve always thought the pic was fake, it was the reason why I thought it was a hoax. Thanks.
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I must start off saying this. I am a photographer and it is possible to take a flash picture through that window. Just like Ben said, flash right up to the window.
About the red car:
There was a red car across the street. You can see it in this video at 1:37. Some say it was to the left, so how could it be in the picture? Well, the picture, if taken at an angle, would pick up an image from the opposite side. Try this: look into a mirror at an angle. Do you see the objects that are on the side? Now look straight into the mirror, you don't see them now.
After all that, I must say that I believe the photo is fake and a set up. Here's why:
Look at this picture:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/proofpic.jpg)
This is supposed to be a pic of the "photographer" taking the picture. You see the man in the tan shirt taking the pic. The man in the red shirt is far to the left. They are not near each other. Some even say that the man in the red shirt took the "picture".
Now look at this video at 1:30
[youtube:1r2l1a8o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU[/youtube:1r2l1a8o]
Don't they look to be near each other?
Another thing about that top picture is that security is behind with their hands on the doors and the man in red is far left, but in the video starting at 1:28 the man in the red shirt is still on the side of the ambulance when security is behind.
What do you guys think?
Em
I think your right ! Great post Em ! it's good with some proffesional proove here. I ahve always thought the pic was fake, it was the reason why I thought it was a hoax. Thanks.
Yeah, I think someone is faking something here. Again, in the top picture, I remember someone saying that was the red car off to the left. If that's supposed to be it, we can see it's in the sun. right?
In the video, we see it in the shade.
So, I would say the pic of the "photographer" taking the pic was is not consistent with the video footage.
So if that pic is a set up, you got to ask: "Why did they go though the trouble of setting it up"?
You decide.
Em
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The ambulance picture is not a fake. It's not THAT difficult to figure out how the picture(s) were taken:
[attachment=1:1i080rvj]red shirt.JPG[/attachment:1i080rvj][attachment=0:1i080rvj]red car.JPG[/attachment:1i080rvj]
It's not all THAT mysterious.
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But I wonder who's lying in the ambulance? :? A dummy or a double?
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and also Em the photo was almost immediately available because on the french news coverage they showed the ambulance pic
how could it be immediately available. unless it was all staged, are we saying that the ambulance pp were involved or were they told to back out like that and thus ben and his crew had the setting for the alledged photo
ps it is a joke that this vid says that he was rushed to hospital look at attempts to get out the guy with the t shirt i think said it was blocked - listen, but you can see the cars to the side and in front - someone should have cleared the way when the ER were in the house for 43 mins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYsR9K3U ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYsR9K3U3bo&feature=related)
a viewfrom the bus of ben's crew taking the fake pic
[youtube:r60n625k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_VWCpIgrJI[/youtube:r60n625k]
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The ambulance picture is not a fake. It's not THAT difficult to figure out how the picture(s) were taken:
[attachment=1:e12c0ahq]red shirt.JPG[/attachment:e12c0ahq][attachment=0:e12c0ahq]red car.JPG[/attachment:e12c0ahq]
It's not all THAT mysterious.
That's the point. Why is Ben showing us the picture of the guy that took "the picture" and it's not the man in the red shirt. The man in the red shirt is far away.
Look:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/proofpic.jpg)
Em
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That tourbus just happens to be there the exact moment the ambulance pulls out of the driveway :roll:
Why did they even pull out backwards when there's plenty of room to turn on the huge driveway! There even is a roundabout there, so normally that ambulance would enter and drive round it facing the back of the ambulance towards the frontdoor( would make it easier to load the patient in) and that would mean they are already standing in the right direction to drive off the property. Again so why backwards???
I think it's all staged, the ambulance, the tourbus, the photographers and even the red car on the street to make the pics believable.
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@Em: who says the guy that took the picture is the guy in beige, and where do they say it?
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@Em: who says the guy that took the picture is the guy in beige, and where do they say it?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/proofpic.jpg)
Ben talks about them taking the picture while he's showing that picture. 1:25
[youtube:6r22yx5z]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VR-HSc2aM4[/youtube:6r22yx5z]
I don't think you understand, I'm just showing there is an inconsistency between the pic BEN is showing us, and what was on that HOLLYWOOD video. I really don't care WHO was supposed to have taken the "MJ in ambulance" pic. If there is an inconsistency, you must wonder what's going on? Right?
In the HOLLYWOOD video it shows tan & red shirt guys together on the side as the ambulance is pulling away.
In the BEN photograph, it shows tan shirt guy far away from red shirt guy as the ambulance is pulling away.
In the HOLLYWOOD video, it shows red shirt guy on the side as security has hands on back windows when ambulance is pulling away.
In the BEN picture, the red shirt guy is at the back when security has hands on back windows as the ambulance is pulling away.
Please look at my original post:)
Em
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http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/featu ... rentPage=1 (http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2009/07/michael-jackson-photo200907?currentPage=1)
This is a detailed article on the ambu shot including some comments of Christopher Weiss.
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Has anybody a picture of this christopher weiss guy? I cannot find him ... :-( Does he even exist? :?
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@Em: who says the guy that took the picture is the guy in beige, and where do they say it?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/proofpic.jpg)
Ben talks about them taking the picture while he's showing that picture. 1:25
[youtube:1brtwsol]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VR-HSc2aM4[/youtube:1brtwsol]
I don't think you understand, I'm just showing there is an inconsistency between the pic BEN is showing us, and what was on that HOLLYWOOD video. I really don't care WHO was supposed to have taken the "MJ in ambulance" pic. If there is an inconsistency, you must wonder what's going on? Right?
In the HOLLYWOOD video it shows tan & red shirt guys together on the side as the ambulance is pulling away.
In the BEN photograph, it shows tan shirt guy far away from red shirt guy as the ambulance is pulling away.
In the HOLLYWOOD video, it shows red shirt guy on the side as security has hands on back windows when ambulance is pulling away.
In the BEN picture, the red shirt guy is at the back when security has hands on back windows as the ambulance is pulling away.
Please look at my original post:)
Em
You don't understand what I'm saying. Ben does not say which guy took the picture: the one in red or the one in tan. Both guys are on that picture, so he is not incorrect: there is no inconsistency. Also concerning the distance, the ambulance is moving and they are as well, there is no inconsistency there either. The ambulance is taking a back turn to the left, moving closer with the side window relatively to mr. red shirt (who appears to have taken the picture) and mr. tan shirt is getting nearer to the front of the ambulance. They are still well a few steps apart by then.
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Anyone tried to get a picture of the inside of the current ambulance to know if the stuff in the pict fit or looks to be an old ambulance ?
And by the same way to know if the angles fit ?
Do they keep ambulance during 20 to 25 years (if the original pic was take around 1985) with the old machine inside ? (Who keep a car for 20 years ? lol)
I found this.
(http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/218923/80678247.jpg)
(http://co.prince-edward.va.us/FOLDERS%20WEB_DEPTS/NEWS_INFORMATION/Pamplin%20Vol%20Fire%20EMS%20Ambulance%2003.jpg)
(http://api.ning.com/files/MJpcps8Wr7d9*vrDM4RZAk1e9ub*6bcfQhnMEeoHRYYIVTCyqC0ArRMrLVaBrKEhvKD*4DsOoSzsORbx8YuJnXFY8*rLUtYG/rearinterior.jpg)
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb108/highlandparkfas/website/vehicles/Ambulance79Inside.jpg)
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Anyone tried to get a picture of the inside of the current ambulance to know if the stuff in the pict fit or looks to be an old ambulance ?
And by the same way to know if the angles fit ?
Do they keep ambulance during 20 to 25 years (if the original pic was take around 1985) with the old machine inside ? (Who keep a car for 20 years ? lol)
I found this.
(http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/218923/80678247.jpg)
It's not an old ambulance. And the equipment is current as well. Certainly NOT from 1985. I'm pretty sure that was already discussed as fake because it came from some bazaar, unrelated source. But I made a video discussing the equipment you're seeing in the picture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC1b2jbipg8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC1b2jbipg8)
And I also made a topic where I took pictures through an ambulance window. The angle is correct:
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=4518 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=4518)
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Ok, the angle is good from the side window.
Did you see the photograph take pic from the side ?
How the reflected red car can be so clear when the only moment to access this windows was when the trunk was moving ?
How do you explain the brightness of the shirt sign when most of the rest is grey ?
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this is turning into a double thread there are a few on this topic already
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Anyone tried to get a picture of the inside of the current ambulance to know if the stuff in the pict fit or looks to be an old ambulance ?
And by the same way to know if the angles fit ?
Do they keep ambulance during 20 to 25 years (if the original pic was take around 1985) with the old machine inside ? (Who keep a car for 20 years ? lol)
This is a pic of the very same ambulance in question (71). I made it from a screenshot of a video I was watching one day, months ago. I've posted it a couple of times in other threads at various times when this has come up.
(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7564/insideamb.jpg)
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Another observation about this pic:
(http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/218923/80678247.jpg)
Ben said lens to the window. Would you get a reflection of the red car if the lens was to the window?
Probably not. If the flash was to the window, you would get a clear shot in. Did we see a flash go off in the video? Did you see a flash on that camera at all? If it was taken with the pop-up flash on top of the camera, wouldn't the flash reflection be in the middle of the pic and not on the side of the pic?
Something about that red car reflection, it just seems too big there to me, but that doesn't bother me so much.
What I'm seeing and trying to figure out, that in the reflection pic, the car seems to be in very spotty sunlight. You can see all the sun spots all over the hood and the tire seems to be in pretty much full sun.
Look and stop around 1:36 of this video and see the car. It looks to me to be sitting in more shade than the reflection suggests.
[youtube:2clrgfv1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU&feature=player_embedded#[/youtube:2clrgfv1]
???
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I must start off saying this. I am a photographer and it is possible to take a flash picture through that window. Just like Ben said, flash right up to the window.
About the red car:
There was a red car across the street. You can see it in this video at 1:37. Some say it was to the left, so how could it be in the picture? Well, the picture, if taken at an angle, would pick up an image from the opposite side. Try this: look into a mirror at an angle. Do you see the objects that are on the side? Now look straight into the mirror, you don't see them now.
After all that, I must say that I believe the photo is fake and a set up. Here's why:
Look at this picture:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/proofpic.jpg)
This is supposed to be a pic of the "photographer" taking the picture. You see the man in the tan shirt taking the pic. The man in the red shirt is far to the left. They are not near each other. Some even say that the man in the red shirt took the "picture".
Now look at this video at 1:30
[youtube:23shs6w8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU[/youtube:23shs6w8]
Don't they look to be near each other?
Another thing about that top picture is that security is behind with their hands on the doors and the man in red is far left, but in the video starting at 1:28 the man in the red shirt is still on the side of the ambulance when security is behind.
What do you guys think?
Em
It is impossible to take that picture as clear as flash because strong sunlight neutralizes the power of flash. The photo was taken in an ambulance in motion and the reflection of the body of the paparazzi is blocking the image of a red car that its height is very low and is far from the ambulance. :|
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@Em:'
Is it any how possible to get the EXIF data (camera settings data embeded in digital images for others,not Em ,ofcourse :D ) any how from this photo? I guess its a screenshot of the RAW image in photoshop (to make it small but good in details)-so we cant get any help from it :cry:
My observations and questions (Em or any other professional Photographers here help!):
1.The camera was held in portrait position (the flash is on left,not top)
2.The Photographer might kept the shutter speed high ,ISO high,f something around 5 or 6 to get a neat photo at that condition;right? He kept at this settings,and he was panning his camera for the moving ambulance,so the reflection on the glass window should be more blurred;right? But we are seeing nicely formed kind of bokeh of flash light on the left side.Is this consistent? Should not it show trailing from left to right like the red reflected tail lights?
3.He might used burst mode (continuous shooting)...why only one photo? All others are blurred too much,thats why he discarded?
4.I guess he used spot metering to the darkest place in the ambulance or just spot metered Micheal's face (to do it quickly),then why Micheal's face is looking more illuminated than the paramedic's arms?
5.Whether he used Prime lens or Zoom lens,it does not matter for this photo-----is the height of taking the picture (=camera) is consistent with the view we are seeing in the photo?
6.The photographer is not looking through the viewfinder,so its obvious,he is taking picture looking on the LCD screen.Is it possible to see the viewfinder at that angle,considering the Sun and awkward position of the camera from his eyes?
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I think they reversed out because that way the side window was out of sight.If they drove out the side window would be in full view the whole time.Also if you reverse you have to go slower,giving more time to take a fake picture.
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Tina K, I'm with you on that one. I don't care what anyone says, there is no way any anyone could have got the clear photo, and the angle of it, from taking a photo from the outside of the ambulance. I have always believed that, and nothing will change my mind.
Even though I have successfully done it??
I think, based on the fact that you did try this yourself, lady medic, and it worked, that it can be done. I believe that those guys from NPG had the job to make sure they were the ones hogging the window so that nobody else could get a clear picture shot. The reason? Because they knew Michael wasn't in the ambulance.
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Nearly 10 picture of ambulance inside has been posted and none looks to be the same. :lol:
If he took the picture from the side as it's showed on this far picture :
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/proofpic.jpg)
The red car is in middle of the street not parked ! lol
I don't know if you drive but i never get parallel to the street with reverse shift when i leave if i know i'll be able to use the full street size...
i only go at 90° to park in reverse shift ! :lol:
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@Em:'
Is it any how possible to get the EXIF data (camera settings data embeded in digital images for others,not Em ,ofcourse :D ) any how from this photo? I guess its a screenshot of the RAW image in photoshop (to make it small but good in details)-so we cant get any help from it :cry:
When a photo is shot digital, it has info embedded with the file from the camera. In Photoshop, you can go to Edit>File Info, and it will bring up info about the picture. This is called metadata. Here within File Info you can add more information also.
You can also strip the metadata from a file so there will not be any info. If you create a new blank document and copy and paste the pic (that has metadata) into it, it will remove the metadata that was with that file. I really wouldn't trust any info that were on these files, if there was any. It could be easily manipulated.
To me the picture tells the story:
MJ does not look like 2009 MJ.
Reflection of red car has spotted sun on it.
Red car seems to be in full sun in the "Ben" pic.
Red car is in shade in the video.
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Nearly 10 picture of ambulance inside has been posted and none looks to be the same. :lol:
If he took the picture from the side as it's showed on this far picture :
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/proofpic.jpg)
The red car is in middle of the street not parked ! lol
Does anyone know if there is a better image of that ambulance pic there...the one that has the side view of the ambulance with the photogs and such in it? I've only ever seen this version, and it's not that great...seems like a photo of a photo that was lying flat. I'd really like to see a better version and one that is not so skewed from the angle of the shot.
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Hi Guys
I viewed all the photos posted here...
I'm not sure but I have a thought about the height of the window.
Based on this photo
(http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/218923/80678247.jpg)
the right window of the ambulance to take the foto is this
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab279/chiaraweb/proofpic.jpg)
How much shoud be high the boy outside the window? 180 cm? if in that moment the boy took the photo... is really possible that the red car was reflected to that window?
I think that is very strange, that car is really low, in that reflection maybe we should see the sky?? or leaf of a tree?
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab279/chiaraweb/80678247.jpg)
It seems that the red car is 1 photo, and the scene in the ambulance is 1 other photo...
2 overlying photos
What do you think about?
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I think you could be right ! ;)
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I could very well be ill-informed about these photos. But shouldn't there be more paparazzi crowding the ambulance? I mean if you think about it... that type of photo would make your career and you'd make ridiculous money off it. If I were one of them, I'd be running around that thing trying to get a photo, yet there aren't that many. And paparazzi had plenty of time to get to the scene when it was announced something was wrong with MJ.
For example,this video shows paparazzi following MJ and his kids shopping.. it's insane.
[youtube:v0ppdewv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHof8p-WDJw&feature=related[/youtube:v0ppdewv]
So apparently him shopping is more interesting than his death? There should be way more people.
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I wanna see who those paramedics are, were they on the schedule to work at that moment they were there? There are other ways to prove something like this, it just takes a lot more aggravation, time, and digging. Interesting you cant see ANY of their faces :roll:
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I found this foto around the web
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab279/chiaraweb/mj-amulance.jpg)
already posted?
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I found this foto around the web
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab279/chiaraweb/mj-amulance.jpg)
already posted?
Already posted and very much fake.
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I refuse to believe that it is possible to get that pic from those windows.
It's totally possible and a paramedic on the other forum proved it to us by taking photo's thru her own ambulance at different times of day in different light...each time she got a very clear shot of the inside of the ambulance despite the fact that she had doubts.
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Anyone tried to get a picture of the inside of the current ambulance to know if the stuff in the pict fit or looks to be an old ambulance ?
And by the same way to know if the angles fit ?
Do they keep ambulance during 20 to 25 years (if the original pic was take around 1985) with the old machine inside ? (Who keep a car for 20 years ? lol)
I found this.
(http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/218923/80678247.jpg)
It's not an old ambulance. And the equipment is current as well. Certainly NOT from 1985. I'm pretty sure that was already discussed as fake because it came from some bazaar, unrelated source. But I made a video discussing the equipment you're seeing in the picture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC1b2jbipg8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC1b2jbipg8)
And I also made a topic where I took pictures through an ambulance window. The angle is correct:
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=4518 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=4518)
ahhh....there you are ladymedic! I just made a post about you, I got confused and thought you were on the other forum. You did so much to show us that this picture is very possible and that the equiptment is current. Thanks for telling us the truth despite what we want to believe!
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I found this foto around the web
already posted?
Already posted and very much fake.
thank you
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I refuse to believe that it is possible to get that pic from those windows.
exactly!
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I refuse to believe that it is possible to get that pic from those windows.
exactly!
I've done it.
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I refuse to believe that it is possible to get that pic from those windows.
exactly!
I've done it.
she's done it and I've seen the pics...very very clear...Thanks LadyMedic for those pics and taking the time to do them when we all had so many questions in our head about the possibility of being able to capture that image.
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what about this one
download/file.php?id=1582 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=1582)
someone posted it here some time ago (and looks fake to me)
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what about this one
download/file.php?id=1582 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=1582)
someone posted it here some time ago (and looks fake to me)
There is an entire thread just about that photo. The photo was altered and blurred out using photoshop by a gal from another forum/community. She submitted it to a an EMT community to get info on the ambulance itself, what kind it was, new or old, etc. I emailed the gal myself and she told me all of this.
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what about this one
download/file.php?id=1582 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=1582)
someone posted it here some time ago (and looks fake to me)
There is an entire thread just about that photo. The photo was altered and blurred out using photoshop by a gal from another forum/community. She submitted it to a an EMT community to get info on the ambulance itself, what kind it was, new or old, etc. I emailed the gal myself and she told me all of this.
nice, ty for the information =)
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I just briefly skimmed through the posts, so sorry if this has already been posted, but have you guys seen this??
[youtube:4xndarqp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbGrrNyMpZY[/youtube:4xndarqp]
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I just briefly skimmed through the posts, so sorry if this has already been posted, but have you guys seen this??
[youtube:19t7yfmo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbGrrNyMpZY[/youtube:19t7yfmo]
Yes. There are at least a couple of threads on Oxman and this stuff about the photo and MJ on stage etc.
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I just came across this link, not sure if it is real or this has been posted on another forum...what do u think???
http://www.lipstickalley.com/f227/micha ... ke-220197/ (http://www.lipstickalley.com/f227/michael-jacksons-ambulance-photo-fake-220197/)
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I just came across this link, not sure if it is real or this has been posted on another forum...what do u think???
http://www.lipstickalley.com/f227/micha ... ke-220197/ (http://www.lipstickalley.com/f227/michael-jacksons-ambulance-photo-fake-220197/)
It's been brought up quite a few times and is entirely fake. It was initially used on an EMS forum where the girl photoshopped MJs face to ask about the ambulance. Not real.
(http://emtbravowest.com/uploads/monthly_11_2009/post-4784-125882324738.jpg)
That's the picture.
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what about this one
download/file.php?id=1582 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=1582)
someone posted it here some time ago (and looks fake to me)
There is an entire thread just about that photo. The photo was altered and blurred out using photoshop by a gal from another forum/community. She submitted it to a an EMT community to get info on the ambulance itself, what kind it was, new or old, etc. I emailed the gal myself and she told me all of this.
well where did that person get the image from? how come her picture has the full view of the medics? and the angle of MJ's face on the blurred pic seems to be different.
this blurred pic is not the same as the pic we've seen everywhere.
someone please explain this.
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what about this one
download/file.php?id=1582 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=1582)
someone posted it here some time ago (and looks fake to me)
There is an entire thread just about that photo. The photo was altered and blurred out using photoshop by a gal from another forum/community. She submitted it to a an EMT community to get info on the ambulance itself, what kind it was, new or old, etc. I emailed the gal myself and she told me all of this.
well where did that person get the image from? how come her picture has the full view of the medics? and the angle of MJ's face on the blurred pic seems to be different.
this blurred pic is not the same as the pic we've seen everywhere.
someone please explain this.
That picture was released:
(http://i25.tinypic.com/2cy0g40.png)
*It automatically shrunk down to fit on the board. If you go to the direct link:
http://i25.tinypic.com/2cy0g40.png (http://i25.tinypic.com/2cy0g40.png)
You'll see that it extends farther to the right, just like the fake photo.
And the faked picture is not feasibly possible. The ET tube seems to go into the patient's neck, and their head is turned to the side. The entire set up is totally wrong and impossible.
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Here's another version of it:
(http://www.ad.nl/static/FOTO/pe/16/13/10/media_xl_109000.jpg)
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Has anyone seen or heard this guy talking, the one who took the picture? We've heard Ben say who it was and we've heard Ben give his account of how it came to be, but if the guys who work as Papps don't know who he is, why should we take the word of Ben, who everyone knows was a friend of MJ's.
You'd think he would tell his story.
Yes, yes, yeeeees!!!!! First of all, how in the heck did he get that shot standing as far back as he had? We should do a lil investigating to determine what type of camera he's using (most papps aren't using some digital camera from Target. Most importantly, having gotten the lucky shot and the cash he would've been a household name by now.