Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => The O2 Press Conference => Topic started by: Tina K. on January 25, 2010, 02:19:27 AM
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Have you noticed, that the audience at the conference allmost all have a perfect caption of Michael on their camera or cellphone ? I think this is very weird. From where some of them is standing this is not possible.Look at these pics :[attachment=1:3ca45kz1]O2 fans cameras.jpg[/attachment:3ca45kz1][attachment=0:3ca45kz1]O2 cameras 2.jpg[/attachment:3ca45kz1]
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great find .. yeah it's so weird .. :?
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I found it months before and look, it looks like they all have the same photo handy or camera...has sony gave them a camera when they enters the room ???????????
I never have seen something like this !
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Only the one befind the curtain has a great professional camera...at the first picture. He makes a photo from the fans..i think that there are most fans then the media, or actors..., because no reporter uses such little cameras without a zoom...there is no prof camera in the room.
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But somebody must have filmed it, the conference wa shown all over the world, I saw it on Sky news.
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Plus on the first picture, there are lights above the curtain - MICHAEL Jackson... but on the second one they are switched off.... weird.
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The ppl in the room are holding there cameras in the hands, but not on Michael to focus him...a few, but not all. Whats when they are getting some cameras with pictures and they are looking at the pictures in the camera....the lights are so very different...to much light in the room. Could it be that the ppl and the stage are photoshoped ? Michael was filmed alone on stage and the ppl alone and then after all put together in a photo....ohhhhhh my english .....could anyone understand what i will say ?
The ppl have to hold there cameras very much higher to make photos, but they have the focus on the ons before and saw Michael....it's impossible....only you watch at photos on the camera.
Poosible they got a sign and have to roll up the photos on the camera....so it looks like...
Ppl, hold the cameras up and start to look at the photos....and all have a picture that was filmed in the backstage.
Possible ?
Because Michael was filmed at the pk but there is no camera in front of him...where is it ?
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Does anybody really know someone that was really at the conference??? I mean there has to be a fan out there that was at it...
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The ppl in the room are holding there cameras in the hands, but not on Michael to focus him...a few, but not all. Whats when they are getting some cameras with pictures and they are looking at the pictures in the camera....the lights are so very different...to much light in the room. Could it be that the ppl and the stage are photoshoped ? Michael was filmed alone on stage and the ppl alone and then after all put together in a photo....ohhhhhh my english .....could anyone understand what i will say ?
The ppl have to hold there cameras very much higher to make photos, but they have the focus on the ons before and saw Michael....it's impossible....only you watch at photos on the camera.
Poosible they got a sign and have to roll up the photos on the camera....so it looks like...
Ppl, hold the cameras up and start to look at the photos....and all have a picture that was filmed in the backstage.
Possible ?
Because Michael was filmed at the pk but there is no camera in front of him...where is it ?
yes I understand what you mean ;) And it could be possible. Theres something about it, that's sure.
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No i can't found anyone who was inside the pk. Not in the fan forum, not anywhere....but i am not in London and at that time i have not my eyes on it.... :roll:
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No i can't found anyone who was inside the pk. Not in the fan forum, not anywhere....but i am not in London and at that time i have not my eyes on it.... :roll:[/quote
Wonder if there ever was a real conference??
But then again I guess there had to be as tickets went on sell...
Makes you think...
Also when was the last time anybody saw MJ wear tape on his fingers.. I didn't see that in the conference but in the movie I did..
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No i can't found anyone who was inside the pk. Not in the fan forum, not anywhere....but i am not in London and at that time i have not my eyes on it.... :roll:
There's fan footage on youtube...
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The second photo all the way to the left is a large screen to make Michael look larger for the people in the back, looks like thats what they are taking a picture of, and is to the left, which is where most of the cameras are pointing, on the other hand, unless there is also a screen to the right of the podium, then the people to the right are doing the same, except on the right side. Make sense?
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I can see what you mean,but most cameras point straight out.... cann see one point to the left.And the cameras is held to low.
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Could be the angle too, whoever took that picture is either a helluv alot taller then everyone, or is standing on something and has a downward shot
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To me they are all extras.
We have seen a lot of videos of Mike´s concerts where first row is full of people really going crazy and a few people just singing and enjoying. Where is crazy people representation here?
They all look like you and me if we were there, enjoying, just really enjoying.
(You and me because people here don´t seem to be really enjoying but acting as if they were).
If you are in a shooting long ours and repeating shots, it´s hard to.
I can´t see people talking to each other, or distracted, or... nothing. They all seem to act like they were told to do so.
Ok. Let´s suppose I´m the director of this film:
"I want to see all of you screaming and watching Michael, you´re really happy seeing Michael back... Everybody hands up... Rolling...
Then I plan and ask for a reverse angle shot:
"I want to see people from behind with the cameras shooting", and art team bring and give out 30...
When you look at them from the front you can´t see this huge sea of cameras.
Are all of them shooting all the time, or they just coincided to shot all at one time?
I work in films and shots are planned this way.
Casting team forgot to bring some children. I´ve allways seen them going Mike´s tours, not here.
Look at this audience from behind, they seem more the audience of an University conference, rather than tour announcement conference.
It´s like the scripted "The Jack5on a Family Dinasty"... Reality show?
This is not real, there is not that much of reality in reality show, they are all scripted.
Some more, other less. Those are more.
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Great thoughts about this ;) And it seems kind of staged the whole thing.Its been bothering me since I saw it the first time.
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yeah. Without a doubt a strange crowd. I also wondered many many times why no fan photos or vids was circleing the internet. Who even knew about the press conference before the day before?
I'll try to find the YT one that was mentioned. I would like to see that.
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i'm pretty sure there is a topic on this and a member on here had a friend who went.. it was after the x factor in the UK something like that, so they went along to that aswell.. :shock: i'll have a look see if i can find it..
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Oh, here appears to be some fan vid..
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8wizp ... e-lo_music (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8wizp_michael-jackson-press-conference-lo_music)
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Oh, here appears to be some fan vid..
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8wizp ... e-lo_music (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8wizp_michael-jackson-press-conference-lo_music)
I can't forget this laughin' of him... "This is it because...(pause)....." and then his laughing...
He was pretty nervous...I bet is was because he knew what will happen :)
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Wierd that I never actually noticed that before. Yeah it's wierd that they all seem to have a perfect shot even though there are arms and heads in the way.
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Really good to see some fan footage.
I´d never had seen it before and gives me a wider look. It´s hard to come across with other stuff different from "oficial". This video is more how I would imagine an event like this really going on. People behind screaming and yelling, so they are more real.
And when real people take shots shakes camera like that... :lol:
The professional photographer ahead was more steady handed so could achieve catching front rows´ people steady :lol: just joking.
It´s weird yelling fans behind, and quiet in front.
Were they late to catch room?
A production like this (if it is) may well involve films and events like this, web forums, and so on. But can also involve producing amateur stuff or fan mock-footage in a real but managed and staged event.
Well I see this fan footage quite real.
It´s just to doubt everything...
Still weird to me the EPK official footage of first rows and stage.
(Have to see the begining of the fan fotage again, shows some camera distribution).
But I doubt before about other things that now I think are explained, or not that weird. And maybe tomorrow I´ll doubt again, till I (we/each one) find that got the whole picture.
And not this feeling of not fitting.
Indeed, I think IT is the essence of the message (if there´s one :lol: )
THINK, LOVE, ACT = L.O.V.E.
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woah you guys really have good eyes i probably wouldn't have ever spotted that :)
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[youtube:3lbhjnhg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-am6sHH_wUQ[/youtube:3lbhjnhg]
Watching it again I see this:
Although everybody seems ready and steady to take the photo when Michael appears,
I don´t see any shot actually done.
We know that the fastest cameras have a moment of black screen when the photo is being saved on memory, then the camera reacts and recovers the image on the screen.
Where is that here?
*Edit* Well, I see maybe two on 1´:12".
But now I don´t see flashes on the front row.
They´re all coming from behind.
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I want to tell you that you made very good discoveries here about the cameras and all.
I got to a conclusion : there are more O2 Conf. staged films. Because we see 2 different categories of audience and 2 different types of audience protection fence. In the Fan's video make a stop at min. 1:14 you will see a fence probably wood -made, white painted NON-TRANSPARENT of some shape, and in all other videos so called offical made by CNN etc... you will see a fence in front of the audience made of metalic bars and some plastic window TRANSPARENT between them, that's why there you can see people's body through them. In the video here CNN made look at the min. 2:41 it's a that fence I've told you, but better if you find a video without CNN strip.
This is the Fan's video -min. 1:14, 1:15
[youtube:2r608stp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8QCeyot5Es&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:2r608stp]
Another thing, watch TII film again and there are the dancers team with hands up, happy when MJ is doing that sexy dance move. At their hand wrist you will see something like a white bracelet, then look at the audience this one from "official" videous CNN... they have the same white bracelet. If it is some sort of identification mark is weird to be exactly the same those in USA -LA - Staples with those in London O2.
About the audience : in the Fans video they look very young and in the other "official" videous are not so young, exactly like somebody said here like an University Conference audience. Also when they shout Michael .. King of Pop etc.. if you look in the front lines some has mouth shut, others move mouths like they are saying something else, the synchronization sound - image is zero. My opinion: this audience doesn't fit with the sound (shouting), maybe the shoutings are from the other audience the Fans video
So what do you say if the images we have are not recorded LIVE in London, but in LA Staples?
And how come that we don't see 1 single reporter to make a interview with fans? A Press Conf. without any question for MJ or fans ? this is IMPOSSIBLE !! so this is a film not a real Conf.
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You are very observant, i just saw the video, and you are right about the fence ! And I think you are right, everything a film. I knew there was something very wrong about this conference ;)
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I thought the same about two scenarios, but I have carefully watched both cnn and fans footage and they fit completely.
About the fence, I think they´re not the same, because the white one (in fans footage) seems to be further of stage, as a first step to contain fans waiting, that after was open or put away so they can finally go closer.
So I came to the conclusion that there is just one conference which seems (I´m not sure) to have some staged and controlled details (front row, audio mixed perhaps).
I thought about the reason why. One reason I can come up with, is that O2 MJ was an impersonator, but I have reasons time ago to believe he was him (between others, I compared thorough the hands)...
The other one is that is´s been staged or cotrolled for the film.
I have no other explanation.
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Thank you Tina K and somekindofsign I studied in detail this videos, hope other people here to see al these differences and also are important those white bracelets. TII dancers and London audience have the same on the right hand, that made me think the London audience is not from London in all the media showed us. (CNN, Skynews.... so on).
I believe that O2 Conf. is the begining of all and it's very important, then came the tickets on line which I believe are also strange. 10-12 tickets per second, come on the whole net would have fall and would have been blocked, although they said just in a few hours were booked/sold almost 1 million tickets. We should put ourselves some questions about this.
Again speaking about fences are totally different I mean the material of what they are made and one is transparent the other it isn't. One is white some sort of a wood-made the other plexyglass and metal.
Sorry for my English it's not my mother language. ;)
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Oh, here appears to be some fan vid..
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8wizp ... e-lo_music (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8wizp_michael-jackson-press-conference-lo_music)
Damn..! That girl doesnt know how to use a camera :lol:
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Sorry akiraka, I forgot to check about bracelets.
Sounds interesting... but today I´m so tired...
I´ll watch it.
I don´t know what´s behind this conference but there´s something weird!
;) English is not my mother tongue either...
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somekindofsign thank you, in Europe now it's 2 o'clock in the night so I understand you ;), I'm tired too.
Now I saw in the video put here by Dangerous those fans in front of the hotel had white bracelet at wrists maybe it's related to O2 Conf. , still I can't explain how come that the TII dancers had the same? or maybe was a general mark for TII, I don't know, I agree with you and with all it's something very weird with this London Conference.
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Yes akiraka!
I´ve seen what you mean about the bracelets.
You can see it in the dancers in TII (1:38:40)
But in TII they are yellow and in O2 white.
Weird so many people wearing white bracelets at O2.
Weird dancers (and other stuff) wearing yellow in TII.
Notice that even K Ortega is wearing a blue one,
and some dancer, (I think Timor is one of them) wear both yellow and blue.
But not the whole TII, just this day of Michael´s speech in Staples C.
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somekindofsign, bravoo you have good eyes, ;) I didn't see all these details being yellow, and blue..
And yes, now I'm more confused :? At O2 they were wearing these, also some TII dancers, also KO ... but maybe I'm wrong and there are some kind of marks - O2 mark - brand, I don't know, and so many coloures? :shock: I thought only white.
My point was another, OK they wore these in LA, but I can't explain for London, I understand in LA they wore because they were a team, something just internal in Staples. But because they also exist at so-called London videos at those people, nobody can blame me if I think that in fact O2 Conference - London was not in London but at Staples LA, I mean some videos we've seen, some images were staged, filmed in LA. I have no other explanation. Can we imagine that these bracelets just for the TII team in LA were duplicated and sent to London fans?. Honestly I can't buy this. :D
Maybe we will find out, but I believe it's difficult, more easy was with the fence, 2 different fences. ;) ;)
Anyway if somebody have any ideea or discover more don't forget to post here I'm really interested, I guess we all are, because London O2 is the begining that's why is so important to find what was going on then.
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Well, I don´t know but, let´s suppose that the bracelets have a meaning, OK.
Then if so, what is it?
The first logic meaning I thought was that they mean a role or team ID.
Some people may play even two roles/teams.
Look (I think it´s) Timor at 00:58:38, wears a light blue bracelet.
Look "Billy Jean" from 00:28:00, dancers wear nothing but on 00:28:10 (another day) they all wear yellow
28:08 drummer wears a purple one
00:41:42 guitarists purple one
00:46:20 singers purple
00:46:40 dancers some yellow, some blue/purple, some both
00:46:49 crew mixed
around 00:55:04 singer white (?)
yellow: dancers
purple: musicians
blue: leading role?
white: ?
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wow, you are so right, in one photo there has to be a head or a part of a arm...
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somekindofsign good thinking ;) I've told you I saw the white bracelets at the fans in CNN, Skynews videos, also in that video with the fans in front of the Hotel in London where MJ was.
I was also thinking these bracelets of different colours may be related to some sort of CODE colour? anyway it's really interesting about these colours and the fact that all have
so they are 4 colours :roll:
purple I find to be intersting is the colour used on the TII poster, also the dolphins on the hand of little girl in Earth Song, I believe that purple has a main role/significance
you said blue leading role , YES, look what I found when I did google searching
http://www.trendsspotting.com/blog/?p=325 (http://www.trendsspotting.com/blog/?p=325)
And I'm not crazy ;) but blue is the colour of the Twitter :D who have Twitters related to TII Film? ;)
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Oh, how I like it ! :D Isn't MJ a Genius? ;) and all the leader stuff of TII?
Read please the article in that link what it says about blue colour ;)
"According to Pantone the color of the year is Royal Purple.”
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OMG, for months I thought I was going crazy thinking the o2 conference was a fake. I'm so happy to have just now found this thread and you all did a great investigation, not missing one thing, including the bracelets.........
The one fan video link here I did see before and is so jumpy it made me dizzy. I need more proof than that from the fan perspective. There must be photos. And you are right, the weirdness started with the o2 conference and ticket sales.
xoxoxo
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karmaknowstruth ;) you ALL did a great job, I'm sure together we can discover this mistery of O2 and ticket sales.... THE BEGINING of the Great Adventure ;)
and somekindofsign 's work to find those bracelets/colours is GREAT. ;)
xoxoxo me too ;)
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Just wondering why are there teleprompters when he barely says anything??? :P
Simliar teleprompter here:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/politi ... SM%202.jpg (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/politics_nation/Obama%20DSM%202.jpg)
I think the teleprompters are pretty much the same thing in picture on the first page and the picture above...at least the same concept..
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Great thoughts about this ;) And it seems kind of staged the whole thing.Its been bothering me since I saw it the first time.
Totally agree! The whole conference looks strange, I don't know...An unexplainable feeling that something is wrong!I also had that feeling when I first saw the conference and also-I hope that I'm not getting rude- but Michael's Image there creeps me out,not even the photos from the conference but also the video :roll:
Moreover the way he moves on the stage is so off... :?
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Why are there so many (older?) men in the audience and only a few women and no young girls - very strange!
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Why are there so many (older?) men in the audience and only a few women and no young girls - very strange!
There was a young woman with a child... :roll: