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Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on January 22, 2010, 02:30:19 PM

Title: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on January 22, 2010, 02:30:19 PM
I know we have some nurses here that have helped, but doesnt anyone know a heart doctor, or any doctor for that matter or a criminal lawyer that we can ask questions to? ANYONE?

I went to school for criminal law many yrs (almost 20 yrs) ago but I have since forgotten most of my schooling..cus I never used it. It was in NY so Im sure some of the laws are different in California otherwise I would help!!
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: mjj_fan on January 22, 2010, 02:47:08 PM
oh why you need a doctor hope you are okay
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on January 22, 2010, 02:49:14 PM
Quote from: "mjj_fan"
oh why you need a doctor hope you are okay


Is that a serious question? LOL

I want a doc or a lwyer so we can ask Q's about the hoax...propofol, ambie pic, DC's etc!!
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: mattie on January 22, 2010, 02:50:59 PM
Yes i know a docter!
He is the husband of a good friend of mine.
But he is a docter for the company..he tells wen people can work or not(what is the English name??)
He is a real Doctor..just does not work in a hospital.

What do you want to ask?
I can give him a call!
Mattie

O i see..you need someone from the U.S.A  I am from the Netherlands..Sorry

Sorry for my English.
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: Alem (Thetruth) on January 22, 2010, 02:58:17 PM
I know a doctor, what kind of question do you got?
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: mjj_fan on January 22, 2010, 03:03:20 PM
i was wondering me , mr/miss alem  serenirty_DREAMS posteds alot about propofol
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on January 22, 2010, 03:07:33 PM
Quote from: "Alem (Thetruth)"
I know a doctor, what kind of question do you got?

anything about the ambie pic. Is the breathing tube in correctly..you know things like that........dr related things about the hoax. To try and prove some of what we're being told is wrong....

Ask a lawyer about the 7 DC's and everything else!!
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: Suzy on January 22, 2010, 03:09:11 PM
WE NEED TO FIND SOMONE WHO IS SO CLOSE TO THE JACKSON FAMILY AND WHO WE CAN TRUST TO FIND OUT THE TRUTH.ITS NOT EASY,BUT I THINK IT MUST BE POSSIBLE ON ONE OR ANOTHER WAY.
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: AnnieIsNotOK on January 22, 2010, 03:11:09 PM
I work with generalists and my best friend is a pharmaceutical sales representative...but I don't think she sales propofol to her doctors :lol:  :lol:  but if you have a question,I will ask her...no problemo ;)
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on January 22, 2010, 03:14:16 PM
Quote from: "AnnieIsNotOK"
I work with generalists and my best friend is a pharmaceutical sales representative...but I don't think she sales propofol to her doctors :lol:  :lol:  but if you have a question,I will ask her...no problemo ;)


I think we ALL have the same questions!! Just think of a few and ask her!!
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: mjj29081958 on January 22, 2010, 03:19:46 PM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "Alem (Thetruth)"
I know a doctor, what kind of question do you got?

anything about the ambie pic. Is the breathing tube in correctly..you know things like that........dr related things about the hoax. To try and prove some of what we're being told is wrong....

Ask a lawyer about the 7 DC's and everything else!!

About the ambulance pic, we already have a Paramedic member, who kindly did offer her help.  :D
Here's the link  viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3405 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3405)
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: Infinitylady on January 22, 2010, 03:21:05 PM
When asking I wouldn't put MJs name it? Just ask it and see what answer you get. I am only saying since many people think MJ is dead.
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: mjj_fan on January 22, 2010, 03:36:34 PM
@ jacksonologist as far as ambulance pic is concern that blue thing is ETT tube holder , ET tube is passed when patient collapse , but once passed, CPR should nt be interrupted ,
 why we havent seen it  may be coz  at that particular moment the paramedical staff  was trying to attach the moniter  checking  the rhythum ,or may be measuring the oxygen saturation with the oximeter attached to mj ear lobe  
     about death certificate ,every country has its own laws as a general rule , if the physician riefuse to sign the certificate . if the cause of death is un natural , the coroner gets involved , if you have more questions you can ask .
 
      my uncle is a lawyer in C .A , i dont know will he answer  our questions but i will  try to email him without using mj name ,once i talked to him about mj and he was like its not possible
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: AnnieIsNotOK on January 22, 2010, 04:15:05 PM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "AnnieIsNotOK"
I work with generalists and my best friend is a pharmaceutical sales representative...but I don't think she sales propofol to her doctors :lol:  :lol:  but if you have a question,I will ask her...no problemo ;)


I think we ALL have the same questions!! Just think of a few and ask her!!

I'm sorry I must of misunderstood the sense of your post.I thought you had a specific question and I just wanted to help.You see,since english is not my language and all those articles about the autopsy and toxical reports are complicated in english for me.It's hard sometimes to reply cause I understand what I read but to write my post is a challenge with those medical or legal matters.I don't want to make mistakes.I thought maybe with a specific question,I would have managed or simply ask her by email since she is bilingual...Sorry again for the misunderstanding ;)
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: mjj_fan on January 22, 2010, 04:19:40 PM
@annie is not okay dont feel sorry for your english .its  just perfect !! you arent making any mistake , i do have problem understanding the  law  , and i  frankly ask  the  members.. it okay , if you have some problem understanding autopsy report or with some medical terminology i would make it easier for you . take care
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: AnnieIsNotOK on January 22, 2010, 04:51:26 PM
Quote from: "mjj_fan"
@annie is not okay dont feel sorry for your english .its  just perfect !! you arent making any mistake , i do have problem understanding the  law  , and i  frankly ask  the  members.. it okay , if you have some problem understanding autopsy report or with some medical terminology i would make it easier for you . take care

Thanks,you are very nice ;) ..I had such a bad day at work...I work this weekend,maybe I'll have a question for the docteur on duty in my departement...should you priscribe me some antidepressants??? :lol: ...I cry for nothing,I hate this :shock: ...darn fortys....must be premenopause  :shock:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: mjj_fan on January 22, 2010, 05:00:29 PM
oh  :oops: , dont use antidepressants ones body gets use to it i understand you ,try to divert  your  attention thinking about something else dont look into matter very seriously  . hang out with friends , or call them  and take a break from this site for a while like what i m gonna do  .
                                take very good care of your selves , prayers are with you .
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on January 22, 2010, 05:27:55 PM
Ok....I just want you all to know that Im well educated in the ambie pic and most other topics of this hoax...the reason I wanted a lawyer or a doctor was to ask THEM if what we SEE is normal. Thats all...get a real doctor or lawyers point of view...know what I mean?

I think I worded the question wrong!! Sorry!! My bad!
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: Dancing_Machine on January 22, 2010, 05:31:00 PM
I'm a doctor AND a lawyer  8-) !

LOL just joking (obviously hihi)  :lol:
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: mjj_fan on January 22, 2010, 05:32:31 PM
@ jacksonologist  there is nothing to  get upset , we know you many things ,  i m a physician go a head ask your question
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on January 22, 2010, 05:36:04 PM
Im gonna bitch slap all you guys if you dont stop playin around!! Especially Dancin_Machine!  :mrgreen:
Im serious!!  :lol:
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: mjj_fan on January 22, 2010, 05:39:09 PM
oh my God dont tell me you think i m kidding you.
   by the way  why you never thought dr murray could be on this forum in disguise??  ;)
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on January 22, 2010, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: "mjj_fan"
oh my God dont tell me you think i m kidding you.


I didnt mean you...sorry!

I wanna know about the 7 DC's first of all...why are there 7 and none of them signed?
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on January 22, 2010, 05:44:08 PM
Quote from: "mjj_fan"
oh my God dont tell me you think i m kidding you.
   by the way  why you never thought dr murray could be on this forum in disguise??  ;)

Dr Murray on HERE?

I kinda doubt it but you never know WHO is on here right?   ;)
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: mjj_fan on January 22, 2010, 05:48:43 PM
oh its okay , like i said earlier every country has its own rule even in Usa every states handle things differently but as a general rule  when death is due to un-natural cause / when doctor refuse to sign a  D/C (there is a list of other situation  if you wonna know i can write it down )  the coroner gets involved. in mj case dr murray refused to sign D/c ,  Coroner signed it and it becomes valid
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: mjj29081958 on January 22, 2010, 05:52:10 PM
I'm really sorry, no meant to be offensive by posting that link, I know you are well educated, it's just that miss some threads is pretty usual in me... I'm sorry  :oops:
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on January 22, 2010, 05:55:08 PM
Quote from: "mjj29081958"
I'm really sorry, no meant to be offensive by posting that link, I know you are well educated, it's just that miss some threads is pretty usual in me... I'm sorry  :oops:


Oh God!! Dont be sorry!! For what?
You didnt do anything wrong!!
Thank you for the link!!

***hugs***
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: mjj_fan on January 22, 2010, 06:02:29 PM
i have tried to explain as much about the drug as i could ,  most of my  postwere medically related.i pointed out few things regarding autopsy ,ways to estimate the  time of death.difference between heart attack cardiac arrest .respiratory failure . coma
   if you know more about symptoms or drugs feel free to ask .
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: Infinitylady on January 23, 2010, 01:47:45 PM
:shock:

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THE JACKSONOLOGIST ยป Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:41 pm

mjj_fan wrote:
oh my God dont tell me you think i m kidding you.



I didnt mean you...sorry!

I wanna know about the 7 DC's first of all...why are there 7 and none of them signed?


What?!!! There are 7 DCs? Are you serious?!!!!! I didn't know someone needed that many death certificates.  Oh my God! I have never heard of such!!  :lol:  What in the world?
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: mjj_fan on January 23, 2010, 02:22:51 PM
3 were known to me , and that make logic as the cause of death was not known, after toxicology reports they had final one
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: michaelsupporter on January 23, 2010, 02:51:22 PM
Jacksonologist,

I have often thought the same thing and think it would be wonderful to get an expert's opinion of this. However, in my experience, no one wants to give me the time of day. When it comes to matters such as this any MD I talk with just doesn't want to give it much seriousness. It is sad, yet painfully realistic. Perhaps they know something they are unwilling to say or they are just like many others who just simply believe the media reports.

However, I don't really think it takes a lawyer or MD to answer our questions. Many people in these professions: RN's, RT's, paramedics, EMT's plus those of us laypersons who are educated in CPR should readily see that the photo that has been circulating of MJ in the ambulance is grossly inaccurate. Either the photo is distorted (due to motion) or it is a fake photo (a fabricated photoshopped version). Either way it appears as if the chest compressions are being done in the incorrect place. I am sorry but professionals wouldn't make these blatant mistakes. Either the photo is doctored, never existed (and is fabricated) or it is fabricated to precisely look grossly wrong as an indication that this is all a farse. I suspect the latter. I think MJ wants those who care enough and are perceptive enough to know the truth without being too obvious.

Matters of legality are a little bit more perplexing to me. However, whenever duplicate items appear it leads me to believe something is not right. If there are 7 DC's circulating that is a huge indication, to me, that MJ is behind it. That infamous "7" seems to reappear time and time again.  At any rate, all I know, is that it only takes 1 authentic legal and binding document to be legal. If multiples appear either someone is trying to throw us off or it is part of the plan, like above, for MJ to send us a message----at least for those of us willing to listen.

Essentially, even though I would be so happy and eager to hear what an MD or lawyer would have to say in these matters, I just don't think they could give us any accurate answers. In my opinion, we just don't have much to work with because at this point it is very difficult to determine if any of the death certificates or that ambulance photo is even authentic. I honestly don't think the experts would be able to provide any clearer indication for us. It is all too murky to sort through because none of us have access to the real evidence to put all the puzzle pieces together to get the perspective we need to obtain the truth. So, with that, I have chosen to live on faith that my hunch is correct and that this is all too fishy to be realistic. I suspect that MJ, of all people, would be the only one to pull something of this magnitude off. As frustrating as it is I think we just need to bide our time. In the end the truth always surfaces.  Keep the faith!
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: mjj_fan on January 23, 2010, 05:05:41 PM
@ jacksonologist i m writing  down  specially for you everything concerns with d/c  it will clear your doubts  

  it is duty of doctor in attendence during the last illness of a deceased person to ithou issue a d/c stating the real cause of death to the best of his /her knowledge
      failure to do so without reasonable excuse may result in legal proceeding and a fine , but that doc must havyse attended the patient during last illness and with in 14 days of death
   if d/c cant be issued OR IF DEATH IS DUE TO ANY UNNATURAL CAUSE CORONER MUST BE INFORMED

   v
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: mehere on January 23, 2010, 05:10:20 PM
I am in CA and know a lawyer.  

What questions do you have?
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: mjj_fan on January 23, 2010, 05:13:28 PM
REporting of death to coroner is when
   
  1. death is sudden , and no doctor has seen patient with in 14 days
   
2. if doctor was in attendence , but reason of death was unknown
 
 3. death due to violence ,poisoning,drowning accidental / suicidal/homicidal  and violent death associated with alcohol intake
  4,ath due to RTA ( road traffic accident) or other accidents  due to medical  complications of such accidents eg brochopneumonia ( a huge list)

 5. death in prison . or transferred from prison to hosp.
 
 6. death due to induatrial diseases

 7. death during / full recovery from anasthesia

 8.  death in hospital for less than 24 hrs

 9. death about which complaints  or allegations are expected
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: mjj_fan on January 23, 2010, 05:21:50 PM
in addition the coroner may be informed by police / emergency services IF THE D/C ISSUED BY THE DOCTOR IS NOT ACCEPTABLE
once case is reported, coroner decide on one of several courses of action . the reporting DOCTOR MAY BE REQUESTED TO WRITE THE D/C OR CORONER MAY HIMSELF ISSUE A CERTIFICATE  , HE MAY ORDER AN AUTOPSY
     
      Hope this helps you and other s to understand , i have tried to share as much knowledge thorugh all my posts to date   regarding this case as i could , it was my sincere  contibution  with all on going investigation . i found great people here  , from depth of my heart i pray and wish you all the best  . God bless
Title: Re: Doesnt ANYONE here know a doctor or a lawyer??
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on January 25, 2010, 01:01:26 PM
Thanks you guys for all your help.

In regards to asking a dr or a lawyer, it would seem like if we didnt put MJ's name in the dicussion, they may be more forthcoming with answers.
I know we have figured out alot on our own, but it would just give me some sense of KNOWING that we are correct in what we have discovered....by asking a professional and hear them say "No, that is not the way its suppose to be.." or whatever..you know what I mean?
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