Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: Naila-seekin-Ramas on January 20, 2010, 05:37:46 PM
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Hi everybody,
I do not know where to post this question so if Admins wish to move it It's ok for me
I wish to know your opinions and if there is someone who can translate what Mike is saying with his hands at the min 4.21 and on of this video
Many Thanks
[youtube:2pd4kmc5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IovvZ9O6G8Y[/youtube:2pd4kmc5]
Here the signs in slow motion
[youtube:2pd4kmc5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnemxx2Sk9o[/youtube:2pd4kmc5]
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I'm pretty sure that it means F U.
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This video gives me chills!!! Michael's message is so LOUD and CLEAR and oh so Powerful!!! We Love you Michael, Hurry back please!!!!!!!!
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Darn it!
That WAS sign language, but it was sooo fast, I can't make it out. :-(
I only know a little bit.
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He says fuck the NWO
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I love this song! He can put so much emotions in a song! Michael I miss you, please come back to us!
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Pretty much it means "Up yours" or "fuck you" :lol:
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Did anyone else notice that the guys behind him are getting up from their beds? Replay it. :)
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LOL ok guys,
You outta know I'm Italian, so I have to be sure your serious when you answer :lol:
For all of you are claiming the words are Fuck You, I really start to notice that in fact it could be.
You just tell me the truth.....is it so? He signs effectively FUCK YOU?????
Oh geeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Did anyone else notice that the guys behind him are getting up from their beds? Replay it. :)
And you are right!!!!!!!!!!!!
When everybody else is concentrate on the hands....you notice the background.....
8-) Respect
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This video gives me chills!!! Michael's message is so LOUD and CLEAR and oh so Powerful!!! We Love you Michael, Hurry back please!!!!!!!!
I agree, the message and the video is the best in my opinion one of his most powerfull songs ever!
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Actually after this "F... YOU" sign...there IS some sign language I'm positive of it!
But it's going TOO fast :(
Hello??anyone speaking sign language please come forward :D
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Ok, so I've been watching it over and over again last night. lol
I believe the 1st sign where he's moving his hand down from his forehead to his chest is "God."
After that I'm lost cuz it's WAY too fast for me. :(
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So the F word is positive????.... :shock:
let's wait for others' opinions.
In my country (italy) sometimes we make a fool of people hiding words that mean STUPID WHO READ THIS :D I hope this is not the case :lol:
Meanwhile...I'm sure few of you ever notice the sign language part...am I right?
Maybe I did'nt notice other videos with something similar..... (exept for TII final...)
If it's so...post it!!! I wanna know!!!! ;)
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if i'm not mistaken which i think i'm probably not, Michael does this same thing in the SCREAM video too. and i don't know what that means. :|
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That;s right it means F u and he also dose a pyramid shape on his crotch area which i would Imagine means FU to the Pyramid which is masonic evil symbol
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Well guys here I am,
I realize that some of you just misunderstand what signs I saw, so I'll explain.
The ones of you that told me that Mike is sayng F U are probably refering to one single sign : the hand passing under the chin... Am I right?
That is the same sign He did more than once in the SCREAM video but is NOT the signs that I was refering to (they are more than just one) .
The signs that I'm talkin about are a few seconds later in the part with the men in the background getting up from their beds like Lizziebee told us.
I found a website with ASL samples and I agree the first word can be GOD...
Just Keep on trying fellas!!!! That sentance could be important and we could be the very first to understand it!!!!
:P
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He says fuck the NWO
Jude,
Are you sure he says this??? Thanks. I really wish I knew sign language now!!!
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I'm wondering about those signs for a long time now, way before june 25th.
I think he makes a reference to the nwo, like a warning or something.
Or maybe a 'f*ck you' to the illuminati :lol:
I'm curious about the signs he makes in TII too :!:
BTW, I love TDCAU! Such a powerful and meaningful song + video (the prison version)!
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He says fuck the NWO
Jude,
Are you sure he says this??? Thanks. I really wish I knew sign language now!!!
I was told this a few months ago by someone who knows sign language .
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He says fuck the NWO
Jude,
Are you sure he says this??? Thanks. I really wish I knew sign language now!!!
I agree he says 'f' and the upside down triangle could symbolize the NWO and it can mean 'kitty.'(u know what I mean :oops: )
But the sign language at the end does not say that.
I catch 'God', but the rest is too fast.
I can eliminate "'f' the NWO" because he doesn't make the signs for any of these.
He doesn't make the 'f' or 'f u', he doesn't sign the letters "N", "W", or "O", and he doesn't sign the words "New" "World" "Order" either.
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He says fuck the NWO
Jude,
Are you sure he says this??? Thanks. I really wish I knew sign language now!!!
I was told this a few months ago by someone who knows sign language .
Hi Jude.
I did not say it before but the only thing I Know in ASL il FUCK U and I don't think it is the signs Mike is doing... maybe your friend was just joking...
However, I will go to the ASL sample website to verify your claims 'cause I'm too curious to let something not tested...
Speaking about the single sign, that one present in Scream video too, is infact an ITALIAN very common gesture that means I DON'T CARE....this make sense to me and also explain why all of you notice it and I do not!!!! I simply found it normal!!!!!!
I still quote for GOD as first word and the rest .....is mistery.....I know I will die in doubt :shock:
We all need a serious and verified ASL speaking expert.... :?
I wanna know.....I'm too curious about it :o
:ugeek: :?: :roll: :cry:
PS sorry if I sometime mess up with english :oops:
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He says fuck the NWO
Jude,
Are you sure he says this??? Thanks. I really wish I knew sign language now!!!
I was told this a few months ago by someone who knows sign language .
Hi Jude.
I did not say it before but the only thing I Know in ASL il FUCK U and I don't think it is the signs Mike is doing... maybe your friend was just joking...
However, I will go to the ASL sample website to verify your claims 'cause I'm too curious to let something not tested...
Speaking about the single sign, that one present in Scream video too, is infact an ITALIAN very common gesture that means I DON'T CARE....this make sense to me and also explain why all of you notice it and I do not!!!! I simply found it normal!!!!!!
I still quote for GOD as first word and the rest .....is mistery.....I know I will die in doubt :shock:
We all need a serious and verified ASL speaking expert.... :?
I wanna know.....I'm too curious about it :o
:ugeek: :?: :roll: :cry:
PS sorry if I sometime mess up with english :oops:
According to my friend, she had asked someone to look at the video, and she said that thats what it means, IDK myself, Im just quoting another.
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Jude....don't get angry ;)
@>----/---- a rose for you :)
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Jude....don't get angry ;)
@>----/---- a rose for you :)
Thank you for the rose, I wasn't getting angry, sorry if it seemed that way :)
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I got "God is.... Let me keep working
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the sign with the pointer finger and pinkey looks like bull shit
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I'm so happy this thing is interesting for other people than me!!!!!!!!!!
I also wish to learn this stuff but in Italy it is difficult to find a school... I know nobody and however Italian signs are different. We call it LIS Linguaggio Italiano dei Segni (italian sign language)...
I really wish to thank you all for working into this.
:D
It's late for me (1.33 am :shock: ) see you tomorrow ;)
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I got "God is.... Let me keep working
the sign with the pointer finger and pinkey looks like bull shit
I'm thinking you really can make it !!!!!!
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz night zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :D
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I just contacted a sign language web site and gave them the link to the video. I hope they get back to me and if they do I will post what they say.
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I just contacted a sign language web site and gave them the link to the video. I hope they get back to me and if they do I will post what they say.
WOW I did'nt ever know that was possible!!!!!!!! Brava!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:)
Meanwhile I am working on the video.
This Weekend I wanna isolate and slow down the signs for you in an animated gif.....if this can help.
8-)
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Hi everybody,
I do not know where to post this question so if Admins wish to move it It's ok for me
I wish to know your opinions and if there is someone who can translate what Mike is saying with his hands at the min 4.21 and on of this video
Many Thanks
[youtube:zhy39ruj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IovvZ9O6G8Y[/youtube:zhy39ruj]
OKAY OMG...I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS ALREADY BEEN STATED BUT IN THE VIDEO @ 2:24 RIGHT WHEN MJ SAYS "THE GOVERNMENT DON'T WANNA SEE" THE CAMERA GOES TO A TV SCREEN WITH ALEISTER CROWLEY''S FACE ON THE SCREEN. THIS SONG IS CLEARLY TRYING TO TELL US SOMETHING OMG I HAVE CHILLS!
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Hi everybody,
I do not know where to post this question so if Admins wish to move it It's ok for me
I wish to know your opinions and if there is someone who can translate what Mike is saying with his hands at the min 4.21 and on of this video
Many Thanks
[youtube:32a90pli]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IovvZ9O6G8Y[/youtube:32a90pli]
OKAY OMG...I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS ALREADY BEEN STATED BUT IN THE VIDEO @ 2:24 RIGHT WHEN MJ SAYS "THE GOVERNMENT DON'T WANNA SEE" THE CAMERA GOES TO A TV SCREEN WITH ALEISTER CROWLEY''S FACE ON THE SCREEN. THIS SONG IS CLEARLY TRYING TO TELL US SOMETHING OMG I HAVE CHILLS!
Isn't that Roosevelt?
TDCAU has definitly a big message. I think that message has a lot to do with the 'why' of the hoax ;)
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^^^
I agree, the pic is Roosevelt.
I also agree that this song has a HUGE message in it. :)
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I dunno I instantly googled images of Aleister Crowley and it looks like the same person...I dunno.
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The hands sweeping under the chin is an "up yours" gesture.
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Che bello questo video...please Michael, please, WE NEED YOU, we can't do anything without you!
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Here are the signs in slow motion
[youtube:3r5r6cba]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnemxx2Sk9o[/youtube:3r5r6cba]
I also edit the original post
I wish this is helpful
Thanks to MartyXmars for this Video
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Since the day one i saw this video i wanted to know what he meant in those hand gestures...
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I got "God is.... Let me keep working
Dear mykidsmum, where are you? I slow down the video, maybe now is easier....
I'm so curious :roll: :roll: And you were close to the answer in my opinion.....
:P
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I got "God is.... Let me keep working
Maybe "God is The Greatest..."
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Did anyone else notice that the guys behind him are getting up from their beds? Replay it. :)
AS IF THEY ARE WAKING UP=AWAKENED TO THE LIES!!!
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I got "God is.... Let me keep working
Maybe "God is The Greatest..."
I see in a ASL site and greatest is said with another sign...sorry
AS IF THEY ARE WAKING UP=AWAKENED TO THE LIES!!!
It could be..... good intuition
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Hi everybody,
I thought the slow motion track from the video can increase posting but I was wrong...
What is happened?
I think this messege from Mike, even if it is "old", is important and have place in the hoax 'cause TDCAU is the song in TII with all those clues...other song mixed, different rhythms in different editions, the speach inserted....an now the DRILL that is reharsed in a Philippine prison...
Maybe the point is..... remember the prison version....
Please don't give up!!!! :(
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I can see this sign :
(http://aura.gaia.com/photos/51/509242/large/Sign_Language.jpg)
That's from Illuminati
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Sabrina,
I know this theory is "en vogue" in these days but.....
That sign you mentioned means I LOVE YOU in baby sign language
that's the proof
http://images.google.it/images?client=f ... a=N&tab=wi (http://images.google.it/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:it:official&hl=it&source=hp&q=i%20love%20you%20sign&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi)
However, in this case I think is a specific word in the sentence....
And with the fingers in that shape you have to add the other hand next to the elbow
I'm sorry
I really wish to know when the illuminati make that sign and why... :roll:
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I can get the "Illuminati", or better, "Massonic" sign Sabrina was referring to
There it is
(http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/stocksnapper/stocksnapper0910/stocksnapper091000023/5777406.jpg)
Infact it is a very common sign in esotheric groups of every kind
But this sign is also a sign against misfortune in Italy.
In other counties the fingertips are down, in Italy it does'nt matter where the fingertips are...
However, as you can see, the thumb is in a completely different position and that's very important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I just sent the slow motion part to someone who speaks ASL.
I hope they will message me back with an answer :)
I will keep you all updated on the reply if there is one!
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I've always wondered what that meant.
And has anyone noticed a prison theme with this? The first short clip released from This is It is They Don't Care About Us. The first single from another album is They Don't Care About Us. On the last episode of the Jacksons reality show, the day before MLK's holiday, the Jacksons go to mentor people in what? Yes, prison. 7 months after June 25th, TMZ post real inmates doing the drill for promotions of This is It, which is very reminiscent to a certain ban version of They Don't Care About Us, the PRISON version.
I don't think this was done by accident or coincidence.
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I just sent the slow motion part to someone who speaks ASL.
I hope they will message me back with an answer :)
I will keep you all updated on the reply if there is one!
Good. I'm impatient to know what it is...
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I'm very happy to see you agree with me that this prison version can be important...
And I'm also proud of all your efforts and dedication.
I can't wait and finally know the messege we all missed for years
:mrgreen:
PS
We just reach page three of this topic.....
I fell this is a lucky page.....and we will find an answer before this page get its end...
(or at least I hope so :lol: )
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I just sent the slow motion part to someone who speaks ASL.
I hope they will message me back with an answer :)
I will keep you all updated on the reply if there is one!
Okay here was my original question to them:
"Please, help me! I'm trying to figure out what Michael says in sign language:
Here it is, just 10 seconds long:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnemxx2Sk9o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnemxx2Sk9o)
Can you translate that for me? Please. GOD BLESS YOU! (:"
They wrote back:
"Hello,
Well, it appears that he just manually gestured that has no meaning,
not a language."
I was almost 100% sure that was sign language. Hmph. :|
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I just sent the slow motion part to someone who speaks ASL.
I hope they will message me back with an answer :)
I will keep you all updated on the reply if there is one!
Okay here was my original question to them:
"Please, help me! I'm trying to figure out what Michael says in sign language:
Here it is, just 10 seconds long:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnemxx2Sk9o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnemxx2Sk9o)
Can you translate that for me? Please. GOD BLESS YOU! (:"
They wrote back:
"Hello,
Well, it appears that he just manually gestured that has no meaning,
not a language."
I was almost 100% sure that was sign language. Hmph. :|
:( Everybody here was so sure... :(
Well I believe You of course, but some of other users can read at least "GOD IS...."
Knowing the meaning, it is easy to verify in ASL websites and GOD IS is confirmed in my humble opinion....
Maybe Mike is not so good in ASL or simply He did it too fast to be accurate and slowing the video only get it worst...
I really can't believe He consciously used signs with no meaning....what is this for???
Anyway...I'll wait for more than one translation and if all they agree the signs mean nothing I just resign...
:cry: :cry: :cry:
Thank you pal
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Okay, those signs are driving me crazy and I can't find my sign language book. It looks like to me, and this could be completely wrong, but it looks like "Stop believing" something. I get lost after believe (or what I think to be believe). The video is too small and I can't find a larger one that has this part. Anybody know which version this is, like is it on one of his dvds? It's going to drive me nuts until I figure it out! :lol:
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I have an idea:
If we all (or a couples of us) would send that video to different sign language sites or agency's in our countries, we can compare their reactions and check the different views about these signs in TDCAU. ;)
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I have an idea:
If we all (or a couples of us) would send that video to different sign language sites or agency's in our countries, we can compare their reactions and check the different views about these signs in TDCAU. ;)
I obviously quote you louder that I can :mrgreen:
If you find websites I can email them or subscribe if necessary
8-)
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I have an idea:
If we all (or a couples of us) would send that video to different sign language sites or agency's in our countries, we can compare their reactions and check the different views about these signs in TDCAU. ;)
I agree. I think I'm going to make my own video of that section, regular speed and slow motion, and send it around.
If I get any answers, I'll post them here.
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Okay, heres my video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wak_ks4x4w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wak_ks4x4w)
I had it regular speed and slow motion
You can go ahead and send this around if you want. I'm going to try.
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Hi guys,
The Grammy show was something huge to me....every clue just point to TDCAU and I'm even more sure this prison version is involved....
I'll wait with hope :)
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Last week I've send an email to the sign language foundation in Holland but they still didn't emailed me back.
Maybe they thought I was just joking?? :roll: :lol:
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Just got a reply from my boss who is deaf. He speaks BSL but knows a little ASL. He said that it could be "Horrible, never hate a thing about God??"
He will find out more and come back to me later.
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He also said the facial gesture at the beginning is very Italian and so is the FU sign.
The rest is not ASL, but definitely has God and hate in it.
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It is important to discover the true meaning of the messages. Maybe someone can find a forum where members are people who know the sign language and ask to see video ...? Best to contact the experts! :D
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Here are some thoughts related to our topic ...
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 839830/pg2 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message839830/pg2)
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Here are some thoughts related to our topic ...
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 839830/pg2 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message839830/pg2)
EHI
Great Find Friend!!!!!!!!!!!
There are some other words found and another sequence with signs il the sequence they are referring to.
I suggest everyone who is reading this to go and read also there.
I will see the sequence and report the conclusions here as soon as possible
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the more i read on this site the more i am learning about micheal....and imo that guy is a genius...!!!!!!
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this is a brilliant thread...keep trying guys....xxxxx