Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: MJROCKSMYSOCKSOFF on January 17, 2010, 04:46:01 PM
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I just read on one of the death certificates that the embalming date is officially listed as 7/7/09 which was the same day as the Staples Center memorial!
I have issues with this date even being remotely correct due to
-a viewing the night before for family
-private service held for family that morning of 7/7/09
-the memorial service which the "body" was present for at the Staples Center
There is no way possible that a "viewing" was held on the evening of 7/6/09 and they "viewed" a body that was deceased almost 2 weeks without being embalmed.I am sure you can all guess why without me going into graphic details :shock:
http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv13 ... rtific.jpg (http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv130/annapicsforus/5996_michael-jackson-death-certific.jpg)
I have posted the certificate I viewed since there are so many and the image is too big for posting so direct link to my Photobucket is provided.
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I find the whole embalming thing strange because it is not something we do here in the UK so i am just learning about it.
Could they have not done the embalming in the morning before the memorial and viewing?
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I find the whole embalming thing strange because it is not something we do here in the UK so i am just learning about it.
Could they have not done the embalming in the morning before the memorial and viewing?
I believe its something which needs to be done fairly quickly following death or things will deteriorate quickly. Im also from UK, I believe that Princess Diana was embalmed.
Not something I really know much about.
:roll:
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I find the whole embalming thing strange because it is not something we do here in the UK so i am just learning about it.
Could they have not done the embalming in the morning before the memorial and viewing?
I believe its something which needs to be done fairly quickly following death or things will deteriorate quickly. Im also from UK, I believe that Princess Diana was embalmed.
Not something I really know much about.
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you are rigth! in my country a famous singer dies ten days ago. the public memorial was in a place called "Luna Park" like the staples, we don´t see pictures of this man in the casket because the family don´t alow to take photos but the fans can go to the memorial and see the open casket. the person who prepare the body at the funeral house sais that they take all the blood off the body and put some fluids so the body could stay 1 week at the open casket without deteriorate. this fluids depends on the way of dead and the drugs on the body at the time of death.
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Excuse me. I know it might be a kind of disgusting thought - but wasn`t the reason for his delayed burial that "the brain" (or at least some brain tissue) was missing - and therefore the body kept frozen somewhere ... ?
So are we suppposed to believe that he was "embalmed" in July and just some "tissue" was added to his coffin in early September?
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but i was wondering about james browr he died and buried appox 70 days (as far as i remember) and they had open casket
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brain went missing :shock: ? really ? it cant went missing its ridiculous media story they are experts !
it only take 1 week to fix the brain to enable it for thorough examination ok lets say 1 month maximum MAXIMUM i would say,even then why they bought that much time to bury him?
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Embalming is idealy done within three days of the date of death. My uncle was found dead in his home and had apparently had been dead two or three days. The funeral home told us he could not be embalmed because there was already too much decay. I would think the body could not been embalmed after 2 weeks for this reason unless the body was kept extremely cold.
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brain went missing :shock: ? really ? it cant went missing its ridiculous media story they are experts !
it only take 1 week to fix the brain to enable it for thorough examination ok lets say 1 month maximum MAXIMUM i would say,even then why they bought that much time to bury him?
Part of his brain was removed during the autopsy for drug testing. I read somewhere that the part of the brain that was removed was later creamated.
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@ jil the whole brain is taken out , the brain gets fixed by chemicals to save the changes and to ensure if the tissue wont go into autolysis ,the process takes one week the brain is dissected bit by bit in to slices and then viewed . reports are made and the organs are either returned or save for future analysis if needed for second opinion
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I did wonder if the delay in embalming was due to the autopsy story but I believe the family used that story about his brain being held due to testing,etc as an excuse to stall with burial plans,in my humble opinion.
I say this because the whole brain is not taken for testing but only samples.
This is a common testing and is done in many autopsies but notibly the autopsies of my own sister,Anna Nicole Smith and most recently Brittany Murphy.
Both my sister and Brittany were buried within days of the death but Anna wasn't for weeks due to other legal issues that had nothing to do with autopsy testing.
For a hoax there are alot of inconsistincies that should have been thought out before hand to make everything sound more legit unless it was done on purpose as clues.
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did we ever find out the results of the brain testing? link if you guys have one!! :)
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Perhaps they were collecting sperm up until this time, since they thought it appropriate to mention he was still producing it. Answers my 1st question about how would they know? However my 2nd one, what did they do with it, is still out there.
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@ heis outmy life
first thing the autopsies were fake
2. a ll organs are examined not specifically the gonads and only the organs with abnormality " are labelled with expert opinion rest are remarkslike " finding ...nil of note , normal ,N/A
3. the cells show varies stages of grotwh arrest and on that basis the pathologist comments as if they actively growing or not
I too believe that delay in burial was an excuse ,toxicology report never takes too much time
@ myrock....
i m sorry to hear about yoursister , may her soul rest in peace
what ever information i posted here is authentic trust me on that ! :)
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did we ever find out the results of the brain testing? link if you guys have one!! :)
The results are secret and the LAPD sealed the file.
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did we ever find out the results of the brain testing? link if you guys have one!! :)
The results are secret and the LAPD sealed the file.
why? :?: :?: :?:
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There is no way they had a viewing without the body being embalmed.. I think this is a huge clue
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I agree with you, Chance, a very big clue :P See how things just dont add up? Sheesh..
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Remember they said MJ had TWO autopsies?
As far as i understand it, you cant autopsy and embalmed body as it would be pointless with all the chemicals that embalming uses.
So if he was embalmed it would have been AFTER both of these autopsies.
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Remember they said MJ had TWO autopsies?
As far as i understand it, you cant autopsy and embalmed body as it would be pointless with all the chemicals that embalming uses.
So if he was embalmed it would have been AFTER both of these autopsies.
right.. the autopsies .. the embalming and then the viewing.. which was July 6
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For a hoax there are alot of inconsistincies that should have been thought out before hand to make everything sound more legit unless it was done on purpose as clues.
It's my belief that holes were intentionally left for people to clue in on.
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But they also said that the kids got to see Michael right before the burial :? Even if Michael was embalmed, the embalming is not gonna stay nice for so long time, no way.
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Does this correlate with the autopsy report we have now?
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Oh man I LOVE this!!! I can just picture MJ right now.....sitting somewhere in his PJ's and saying "Ok yea, lets release that bit of info on the embalming date....I wanna see what happens and what they say, then tomorrow we'll change the date of the burial to the 5th!!" (or something like that) and then he laughs that laugh of his...he is playing the media like a friggin game...I LOVE it!!!
He is having so much damn fun with this you guys!!
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Embalming is idealy done within three days of the date of death. My uncle was found dead in his home and had apparently had been dead two or three days. The funeral home told us he could not be embalmed because there was already too much decay. I would think the body could not been embalmed after 2 weeks for this reason unless the body was kept extremely cold.
My father was not embalmed as well, he died in his home and was not found until 2 days later. The funeral home told us the same thing that he could not be embalmed, we were not allowed to touch him because he had hepititis and since he was not embalmed we could also get hepititis. We had to view his body in the basement of the funeral home and us kids were the only ones to view his body, after that it was a closed casket. So, for them to view his body without being embalmed it would not look that great nor would it smell that great. From what I understand with Jehovah witnesses, when they are buried, they are buried with everything including the blood, that is why the delay with the tissue and him not being buried right away. To set myself straight though, I believe Michael is alive and well.
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@dragonflylillies... but if Jehovah Witnesses are buried with everything.. yes that explains the delay in wanting to bury MJ with brain, etc.. but my understanding is that with embalming, this DRAINS the blood which is then replaced with embalming fluid??
So would embalming not fly against the Jehovahs beliefs?
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I am not sure as I am not a Jehovah witness, that is what I was hearing on the news when they were talking about the delay with the burial.
Does anyone recall the date of the second autopsy? The one the family insisted on. Was it before or after the memorial? From what I can remember I think it was after, so... How could they do a second autopsy if everything was drained and embalming fluid replaced in the body? Would that hender the outcome of the results that they would do?
I think it is great that we are visiting things that happened several months ago!!! Now that we all have great investigating skills. We are able to look at things with a bigger picture than just with our emotions.
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Perhaps they were collecting sperm up until this time, since they thought it appropriate to mention he was still producing it. Answers my 1st question about how would they know? However my 2nd one, what did they do with it, is still out there.
The thing with sperm production is comparable to for instance having a healthy liver. If there are any drug related issues, it will show in sperm production and sperm health. So it needs to be examined.
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@dragonflylillies... but if Jehovah Witnesses are buried with everything.. yes that explains the delay in wanting to bury MJ with brain, etc.. but my understanding is that with embalming, this DRAINS the blood which is then replaced with embalming fluid??
So would embalming not fly against the Jehovahs beliefs?
Ehm people...-rhetorical question- do you really think a body that has undergone two autopsies still has much blood in it?
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I suppose it depends on the type of autopsy. I read about some that say they exhume people sometimes and can do an autopsy just because they had been embalmed.
By the way, witnesses don't believe in getting or giving blood, don't know how that plays here.
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but we ave a topic that sais that a nurse say he don´t need this procedure, so "the person who dies" was embalming or not?
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Tina K. wrote: But they also said that the kids got to see Michael right before the burial
Maybe they did....but they didn't see him in no coffin! :lol: Unless he was already gone on that plane at LAX that Jermaine was slippin' about. ;)
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Maybe this can help you. I understand only the half, because Im german.
http://www.radaronline.com/sites/defaul ... uneral.pdf (http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/Michael%20Jackson%20Funeral.pdf)
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I realize this is an old post. I have been lurking for a while and finally was able to sign up. Some glitch prevented it for a while. I have not even set up[ my profile because I have to address this topic. The JW thing is no excuse for the burial delay. JWs are against the use of blood products because they feel that it is the life force and that illness/disease can be contracted. This means no blood, plasma, or platelets may be transfused. Volumizers are welcome. There is no rule against embalming or burying with all blood, organs, etc. The JWs follow the law to a T, including autopsies, embalming, etc. I was a JW for 7 years. Hope this clears things up.
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I have written a post long time ago, stating that I have friends in the medical field, and they vouched for me that Michael Jackson death certificate is no where to be found. One of my doctor's friend works in USA as a doctor and he was doing investigation work for me. The death certificate that we see in the internet it is falsified. Original death certificate it was La Toya who signed it. A member of the family cannot sign death certificates only a doctor can.
I did not give the names of my doctor friends, they could lose their jobs. I will not jeopardize their profession .. So please the certificate is false, actually my friend is still trying to find the real death certificate.
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I have written a post long time ago, stating that I have friends in the medical field, and they vouched for me that Michael Jackson death certificate is no where to be found. One of my doctor's friend works in USA as a doctor and he was doing investigation work for me. The death certificate that we see in the internet it is falsified. Original death certificate it was La Toya who signed it. A member of the family cannot sign death certificates only a doctor can.
I did not give the names of my doctor friends, they could lose their jobs. I will not jeopardize their profession .. So please the certificate is false, actually my friend is still trying to find the real death certificate.
Good information, believe that your friend find the real certificate? lolol/
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I realize this is an old post. I have been lurking for a while and finally was able to sign up. Some glitch prevented it for a while. I have not even set up[ my profile because I have to address this topic. The JW thing is no excuse for the burial delay. JWs are against the use of blood products because they feel that it is the life force and that illness/disease can be contracted. This means no blood, plasma, or platelets may be transfused. Volumizers are welcome. There is no rule against embalming or burying with all blood, organs, etc. The JWs follow the law to a T, including autopsies, embalming, etc. I was a JW for 7 years. Hope this clears things up.
This is correct :)
Oh, my father-in-law also died...in a trailer..sealed up in the summetime. No one checked on him for 5 days. When the cops broke down the door to check on him...he was BLACK and swollen up. He smelled and part of his back began to get melted. He was embalmed...and the children chose whether or not to view him...in a VERY cold room. He was SOOO bad in just a day after finding him that my husband collapsed upon the coffin and almost tumbled it down. It is absolutely inconceivable that Michael, in a hot room in the summer in LA died...was not embalmed for a very long time nor buried for months!! and was not simply rotted...smelled, fell apart or could be viewed or in a placed opened to a viewing.
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A body that is held out that long w/o being embalmed would be stinking to the high heavens and completely decomposed. Who wrote this bullshit anyway? That’s totally impossible. :roll:
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Just saying...the serial number of this death certificate is 09006163.....9+6+1+6+3 = 25 = 7
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Embalming is legally required only in special circumstances, such as:
:when a body will be transported by plane or train from one state or country to another.
:when there's a relatively long time—a week or more—between the death and the burial or cremation.
:in some cases, where the death occurred because of a communicable disease.
For most people in most circumstances, refrigerating the body serves the same purpose of slowing decomposition, and it's usually just as effective for short periods. The biggest difference is the length of time a body can be preserved: A body that's been refrigerated before being buried will begin decomposing within days; an embalmed body begins decomposing within weeks.
To underscore this reality, a law called the Funeral Rule, which is enforced by the Federal Trade Commission, prohibits funeral providers from claiming that investing in either embalming or particular types of caskets will preserve bodies indefinitely. The rule also requires providers to inform consumers that embalming isn't required by law. And it dictates that embalming can't be performed without prior written permission from the person responsible for making the final arrangements.
Embalming, followed by various cosmetic enhancements, is still generally performed when there will be an open casket or public viewing of the body. However, the practice is frowned upon or prohibited by a number of religious dictates, including traditional Jewish, Muslim and Baha'i faiths.
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I also record reading on the Forest Lawn site or somewhere that linked them to MJ 's burial that they did not have MJ's body to be embamled the body was done some where else! I 'll have to look up the link in my book. But every thing about the autopsy is not right.
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I am not sure as I am not a Jehovah witness, that is what I was hearing on the news when they were talking about the delay with the burial.
Does anyone recall the date of the second autopsy? The one the family insisted on. Was it before or after the memorial? From what I can remember I think it was after, so... How could they do a second autopsy if everything was drained and embalming fluid replaced in the body? Would that hender the outcome of the results that they would do?
I think it is great that we are visiting things that happened several months ago!!! Now that we all have great investigating skills. We are able to look at things with a bigger picture than just with our emotions.
To repeat an autopsy is not necessary to have the body present. In the first autopsy are removed blood and other body fluids, which are stored and reused if needed later for repeat testing.
I do not think this news is real. Michael did not have to be embalmed, since theoretically he died a few hours before it was officially declared dead and his coffin was not opened to the public. A freeze would be enough in this case.
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did we ever find out the results of the brain testing? link if you guys have one!! :)
The results are secret and the LAPD sealed the file.
why? :?: :?: :?:
Hmmm, the results and the file are sealed. That is very important info. Does anyone have a link for this information about the brain results. Thank you in advance.
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