Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: hariman on January 05, 2010, 01:24:27 PM

Title: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: hariman on January 05, 2010, 01:24:27 PM
i got this in my email it could be false but then again...
Hello, we recently recieved the following email :

"I am from Dubai.Well everyone of us know that michael jackson converted (his religion) and changed his name to Mikael .According to any law of any country in world ,if a person has his name changed,the new name will be in the death certificate.You can request the court according to the public information law and get his new passport.I remember that since i saw him in dubai airport,as i am working in here ,his name in passport was Mikael.So we may check the flight trips in this name.This is the ultimate proof.One who know law can understand.Thank u.Carbontool "_
recieved Sat, January 2, 2010 9:54:30 AM

Before publishing we wanted to check its validity. Is this true? If Michael really changed his name to Mikael then his new name should appear of the Death Certificate. Is this the most important evidence that Michael is alive ? Please let us know your opinion.

Also if you have published a message on Send A Message To Michael you can now search for it, We've installed a search engine on the first page.

Also if you haven't seen it yet we have posted two Christmas Messages from Michael, These are very heart warming and definately encourage us to keep the giving spirit of Christmas all year long.

God Bless
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Emma_Lollipop on January 05, 2010, 01:27:08 PM
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Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Iused2dream on January 05, 2010, 01:29:10 PM
I'm not sure how we can prove the stories about him changing his name are true or not??  I've read the story many times but unsure if any truth to it.  Of course if it is true, then that's a whole different ballgame  :?
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: IBelieveInMiracles on January 05, 2010, 01:32:28 PM
I hope it's not true cause this is getting way to confusing. :?
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: kdkennedy74 on January 05, 2010, 01:34:24 PM
I just went to michaeljacksonsightings.com and couldn't find this.  Could you please post a link so that we may all be able to see what you are seeing.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Secret Dove on January 05, 2010, 01:39:30 PM
Don't believe anything on MichaelJacksonSightings.com. Every story on there is make up. It's not a reliable website. :roll:
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: live~love~laugh~mj on January 05, 2010, 01:43:34 PM
check out this website theres also some videos that some were using as proof that michael converted but they have be proven untrue they are near the end of the page. Extensive info on the subject

http://http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Michael_Jackson
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: steffmaster1 on January 05, 2010, 01:45:13 PM
on back of mj calender it says Mikael then it says cant be reliable for any mistakes but its official calender first time ive seen this name wots going on!!! :o
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: MJJ1982 on January 05, 2010, 01:59:03 PM
I keep saying that he didn't convert.

And that website (sightings) contains a lot of bs.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Leah-Kim on January 05, 2010, 01:59:57 PM
Quote from: "steffmaster1"
on back of mj calender it says Mikael then it says cant be reliable for any mistakes but its official calender first time ive seen this name wots going on!!! :o

PICTURE PUlease.........
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Claire on January 05, 2010, 02:04:51 PM
Didn't Michael say that the rumor about his conversion was untrue? :?
For me this is enough, sorry but I don't believe in this thing. :)
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Angela1958 on January 05, 2010, 02:07:29 PM
I've never heard such a statement from Michael. Who knows, maybe he really converted and his name is Mikaeel now. We all know, he had much to do with the "Nation of Islam" and was very interested in the Koran.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Emma_Lollipop on January 05, 2010, 02:16:25 PM
Quote from: "steffmaster1"
on back of mj calender it says Mikael then it says cant be reliable for any mistakes but its official calender first time ive seen this name wots going on!!! :o

On the back of the official calendar - printed in the UK by Danilo * 2009 TRIUMPH INTERNATIONAL INC. UNDER LICENSE BRAVADO INTERNATIONAL GROUP. PHOTOGRAPH'S: MJJ PRODUCTION INC. MICHAEL JACKSON TM. "MICHEAL JACKSON" IS A REGISTERED TRADEMARK IN THE UNITED STATES, THE UNITED KINGDOM AND OTHER COUNTRIES. (....)
WHILE EVERY EFFOR IS MADE TO ENSURE THAT THE INFORMATION INCLUDED IN THIS CALENDAR IS CORRECT, DANILO PROMOTIONS LTD CANNOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR ERRORS AND OMISSIONS, THE BANKING AND FINANCIAL DEALINGS ACT. 1971, ALLOWS THE GOVERNMENT TO ALTER DATES AT SHORT NOTICE.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: rosemariaantigone on January 05, 2010, 03:47:36 PM
I know this comes from a place that is not known for being honset. But seriously, I think we should check this out. Listen, as for the whole "Joe" and "Joseph" thing, I have a cousin who is a lawyer. He said that those types of things make no difference what so ever. And I'm just using his words, "Well, I suppose if someone wants to be a witch about it (he said B instead of witch) then they could get out of paying a ticket or something on that techinacality. But when it comes to birth or death certificates, passports, stuff like that, it makes no difference what so ever."
So really the whole Joe or Joseph does not hold up to court when it comes to the legal issues of faking one's death. But changing your name legally, (and I mean to something completely different) it changes everything. If Michael were to change is name to like "Mikael Jackson" then everything switches over. His birth date, his SOCIAL SERCURITY. Meaning that there maybe a Michael Joe or Joseph Jackson who was born on August 29, 1958 and died on June 25, 2009 and his name and social security number is in the database. But that does not that it is THE Michael Jackson. Maybe "Mikael" Jackson's social sercurity is still active and everything. Therefore, techinally he did not do anything wrong. The government basically just got the wrong guy. Besides, Michael Jackson is a very common name, I have known several of people with that name. So, maybe Michael or "Mikael" basicially found several of Michael Jacksons who were born on his birthdate and waited for his chance. Because afther all, this hoax proabably took YEARS to plan. In either event, I think we should research the name "Mikael" and see what we come up with.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: rosemariaantigone on January 05, 2010, 04:14:54 PM
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
I keep saying that he didn't convert.

And that website (sightings) contains a lot of bs.

I'm sorry, I am not saying anything bad about Michael as a person, but he was a man. Meaning that he was flawed. And to get where he got to has a celebritiy, believe me, he had to be a little aggressive and perhaps a bit dishonset, even to his own fans. He even admited that he was very good at mapulating people. He even applied that the only reason why fans went crazy over him was by his design and nothing else. And the fact that you think that Michael hoaxed his death, for whatever reason, appiles that you do think that Michael had to be a little dishonset and somewhat decitful. I don't care what his reasons are, what he is doing is dishonest. The only thing with me is that I don't think dishonsety is always a bad thing. ;)
The point I am trying to make is that Michael said that he did not convert, but that does not mean that he didn't. If Michael did hoaxed his death, then he had to do everything he could to throw people off the track. If Michael did convert to Islam, changed his name, and told the truth about it, then the name "Mikael" would be on that death certificate, not Michael. Michael Jackson ie "Mikael" Jackson would have died on that day as well. Meaning that he could face a lot of legal trouble should he come back out or at least be found out. Because I do believe that whether Michael is coming back or not, he would make percations just in case. So the thing is Michael could have indeed lied about that. I'm sorry, but he would have to be capable of doing something like that if he were to pull of this hoax.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Chance on January 05, 2010, 04:23:28 PM
I believe I read that he was supposed to have converted in November 2008, when that story came out it could have been false.. especially if Michael said it was .. perhaps three or fourth months later he changed his mind .. and his name
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Ninanina on January 05, 2010, 04:37:18 PM
Quote from: "rosemariaantigone"
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
I keep saying that he didn't convert.

And that website (sightings) contains a lot of bs.

I'm sorry, I am not saying anything bad about Michael as a person, but he was a man. Meaning that he was flawed. And to get where he got to has a celebritiy, believe me, he had to be a little aggressive and perhaps a bit dishonset, even to his own fans. He even admited that he was very good at mapulating people. He even applied that the only reason why fans went crazy over him was by his design and nothing else. And the fact that you think that Michael hoaxed his death, for whatever reason, appiles that you do think that Michael had to be a little dishonset and somewhat decitful. I don't care what his reasons are, what he is doing is dishonest. The only thing with me is that I don't think dishonsety is always a bad thing. ;)
The point I am trying to make is that Michael said that he did not convert, but that does not mean that he didn't. If Michael did hoaxed his death, then he had to do everything he could to throw people off the track. If Michael did convert to Islam, changed his name, and told the truth about it, then the name "Mikael" would be on that death certificate, not Michael. Michael Jackson ie "Mikael" Jackson would have died on that day as well. Meaning that he could face a lot of legal trouble should he come back out or at least be found out. Because I do believe that whether Michael is coming back or not, he would make percations just in case. So the thing is Michael could have indeed lied about that. I'm sorry, but he would have to be capable of doing something like that if he were to pull of this hoax.

Agree 100%!
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Amber on January 05, 2010, 05:17:31 PM
I think out of alot of theories this makes prob the most legal and lodgical sense [to me] if mj has planned a way out and he did indeed do it this way of course he would come out and say he never changed religion! alot of emphasis on "not" changing religion jmo! i think this should be checked into a bit futher i think we may be suprised with this theory again jmo. PS i also got this mail  :roll:
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: iMJacksonfaN on January 05, 2010, 05:22:48 PM
First of all, Michael didnt convert to any other religions through his life.. He was a christian. He changed from Jahovas witeness to christian religion, after what I have read.

And they are not allowed to say anything, if they see a person..
-It's like being a doctor, you can't tell anything about who you're seeing and he/she is doing..
 So this story could be made up by anyone.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: rosemariaantigone on January 05, 2010, 05:30:13 PM
Quote from: "iMJacksonfaN"
First of all, Michael didnt convert to any other religions through his life.. He was a christian. He changed from Jahovas witeness to christian religion, after what I have read.

And they are not allowed to say anything, if they see a person..
-It's like being a doctor, you can't tell anything about who you're seeing and he/she is doing..
 So this story could be made up by anyone.
Unless you knew Michael personally, you can't be too sure whether or not he was christian. And you may be right, maybe Michael was telling the truth when he said that he did not convert to the Islam faith. But that does not mean that he did not change his name to "Mikael."
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: neverlandprincess on January 05, 2010, 05:35:21 PM
The story always said that Jermaine and Cat Stevens were there for Michaels conversion...this only came from an eastern news source(cant remember if it was pakistani or not) but Cat Stevens said he was at no such ceremony and Jermaine told LK that he gave him books,because he loved reading on religion,but he honestly did not know for sure or fact that he ever converted. Joe said the same,I think as open as Jermaine is about his religion that he would know for sure or say if he really thought michael had.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: dragonflylilies on January 05, 2010, 07:01:04 PM
Let's see what we can find out about this.  If we are all willing to look into facebook and twitter accounts, this might be worth it as well.http://http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/item_uc8Tr5fAYZENQhn2we4J4J

This is what I found so far.  I hope everyone can pull up this site.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: rosemariaantigone on January 05, 2010, 07:29:48 PM
Quote from: "dragonflylilies"
Let's see what we can find out about this.  If we are all willing to look into facebook and twitter accounts, this might be worth it as well.http://http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/item_uc8Tr5fAYZENQhn2we4J4J

This is what I found so far.  I hope everyone can pull up this site.
Okay. I found this account: http://twitter.com/mikaeeljackson (http://twitter.com/mikaeeljackson)
But this person had not tweeted anything and I doubt that it is really Michael. There has to be a better way to do this. Does anybody know that if you change your name legally, does that reflect your birth cert.? Because I think we need to look in some legal databases and try to find some name "Mikaeel" who was born on Aug. 29, 1958.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Zen on January 05, 2010, 09:01:57 PM
Jermaine is Muslim and if Michael indeed do change his faith, I think Jermaine would have
made more of deal of this?  Different burial...quick burial...more friends in attendance of that
faith?  Was Cat STevens at his memorial or funeral at all?  If not, I think MIchael did not change
faith for real.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Chance on January 05, 2010, 09:08:25 PM
I think anything is possible .. Michael said himself .. we only see what Michael wants us to see
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: neverlandprincess on January 05, 2010, 09:09:12 PM
The memorial was overtly Christian...now if Michael hoaxed hi death and is indeed a muslim,this would be telling in wether or not he is coming back. If he is coming back maybe he wouldnt want anyone to know he is muslim,or if he is not coming back and didnt want anyone to know because then ppl wouldnt know where to find him? Or he is a muslim and the memorial had no muslim tie ins so that it would be a clue? Or he is not muslim and the memorial was Christian because well he is not a muslim? Just throwin out random thoughts and apparently this email is going around and honestly I'm not feeling any connection.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: rosemariaantigone on January 05, 2010, 10:30:24 PM
Quote from: "Zen"
Jermaine is Muslim and if Michael indeed do change his faith, I think Jermaine would have
made more of deal of this?  Different burial...quick burial...more friends in attendance of that
faith?  Was Cat STevens at his memorial or funeral at all?  If not, I think MIchael did not change
faith for real.
Well that is the point. It could of just thrown people off. If Michael was hoaxing his death, then it would make perfect sense not to have Jermaine make a big deal about it. I don't get it. You think that Michael could hoax his death, but you doubt that Michael would lie about his faith?
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Melzy777 on January 05, 2010, 10:36:34 PM
Quote from: "Emma_Lollipop"
On the back of the official calendar - printed in the UK by Danilo * 2009 TRIUMPH INTERNATIONAL INC. UNDER LICENSE BRAVADO INTERNATIONAL GROUP. PHOTOGRAPH'S: MJJ PRODUCTION INC. MICHAEL JACKSON TM. "MICHEAL JACKSON" IS A REGISTERED TRADEMARK IN THE UNITED STATES, THE UNITED KINGDOM AND OTHER COUNTRIES. (....)
WHILE EVERY EFFOR IS MADE TO ENSURE THAT THE INFORMATION INCLUDED IN THIS CALENDAR IS CORRECT, DANILO PROMOTIONS LTD CANNOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR ERRORS AND OMISSIONS, THE BANKING AND FINANCIAL DEALINGS ACT. 1971, ALLOWS THE GOVERNMENT TO ALTER DATES AT SHORT NOTICE.

Is it really spelt with the E before the A like that on the back???
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Crescendo on January 06, 2010, 07:12:52 AM
Didn't the Sun report Michael to have converted? but the sun always reports Michael to be a child abuser. that spoke volumes.

Michael, I think, said that British tabloids were the most untruthful tabloids.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: SPAKKLE29FUL on January 06, 2010, 07:46:56 AM
:? all these what is his name threads confuse me but i always thought he did not follow one particular  religion after he left the jw
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: MJLover1990 on January 06, 2010, 07:50:58 AM
Sorry but I don't believe this... :roll:
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: foralltime on January 06, 2010, 08:42:06 AM
Quote from: "SPAKKLE29FUL"
:? all these what is his name threads confuse me but i always thought he did not follow one particular  religion after he left the jw

I think you're right because didn't he had a kabbala bracelet on his wrist also.
So together we now have Christian,Islam,Kabbala maybe the message he wants to give is this, it does not matter what religion you believe in we are all here on earth to love and respect the earth and each other regardless of race and believe.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: lisap27 on January 06, 2010, 08:54:15 AM
Quote from: "foralltime"
Quote from: "SPAKKLE29FUL"
:? all these what is his name threads confuse me but i always thought he did not follow one particular  religion after he left the jw

I think you're right because didn't he had a kabbala bracelet on his wrist also.
So together we now have Christian,Islam,Kabbala maybe the message he wants to give is this, it does not matter what religion you believe in we are all here on earth to love and respect the earth and each other regardless of race and believe.

this is true!! not sure where i have read it, but he said (not exact words) god is god at the end of the day and how you choose to worship him is your decision, we all do it for the same reason..

something like that!! he was a very wise man.. and knew how to word things so everyone understood the point he was making.. and this being one of them..   ;)
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: virgo75 on January 06, 2010, 09:30:17 AM
Quote from: "rosemariaantigone"
Quote from: "Zen"
Jermaine is Muslim and if Michael indeed do change his faith, I think Jermaine would have
made more of deal of this?  Different burial...quick burial...more friends in attendance of that
faith?  Was Cat STevens at his memorial or funeral at all?  If not, I think MIchael did not change
faith for real.
Well that is the point. It could of just thrown people off. If Michael was hoaxing his death, then it would make perfect sense not to have Jermaine make a big deal about it. I don't get it. You think that Michael could hoax his death, but you doubt that Michael would lie about his faith?

2nd the bolded.

I feel like the hardest part of investigating is that, we HAVE TO REMEMBER: The Jacksons are GREAT at keeping secrets!

I mean, how long was Janet married to Renee?
And when did we find out?
Uh huh.

When did we find out that Marlon had a deceases twin brother???
Exactly.

So if Michael converted to any religion, changed his name to Mikael, or did anything that he wanted to keep private, I have no doubt that even if it involved his family, that they would keep their mouths shut.  Even as much as Jermaine likes to run his...   :lol:
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: xirisjex on January 06, 2010, 09:35:08 AM
I don't believe MIchael converted to a muslim.
Biggest indication for me is that in one of the last interviews( to Ebony magazine in 2007) he gave
a quote relating to Jehova god saying: ''And when I write something that I know is right, I get on my knees and say thank you. Thank you Jehova!''

You can see scans of the interview with the magazine here: http://community.livejournal.com/ohnoth ... 13367.html (http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/17113367.html)
(btw it's a great interview)

Now I know he left the jehova's witness but I think it is save to say it is still a part of him. I think like other people have said he didn't follow a specific religion anymore.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Infinitylady on January 06, 2010, 09:45:18 AM
Quote
iMJacksonfaN » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:22 pm

First of all, Michael didnt convert to any other religions through his life.. He was a christian. He changed from Jahovas witeness to christian religion, after what I have read.


From what was emailed me to months ago after his suppose death a young lady knew him and mentioned that he accepted Christ.  He left JW years ago, Elizabeth Taylor mentioned this on the private home videos on youtube, you can view them yourself.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: iMJacksonfaN on January 06, 2010, 10:05:28 AM
Quote from: "Crescendo"
Didn't the Sun report Michael to have converted? but the sun always reports Michael to be a child abuser. that spoke volumes.

Michael, I think, said that British tabloids were the most untruthful tabloids.


Hahahaha.. The Sun? It's probably one of most wierd story book I've read.
Everything in there is fake.. Would be more to believe in a story than the sun.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Infinitylady on January 06, 2010, 10:06:13 AM
Quote
You can see scans of the interview with the magazine here: http://community.livejournal.com/ohnoth (http://community.livejournal.com/ohnoth) ... 13367.html
(btw it's a great interview)

Wow!!...he looked so handsome in that creme colored suit. :)
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Infinitylady on January 06, 2010, 10:08:55 AM
[quote iMJacksonfaN » Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:05 pm

Crescendo wrote:
Didn't the Sun report Michael to have converted? but the sun always reports Michael to be a child abuser. that spoke volumes.

Michael, I think, said that British tabloids were the most untruthful tabloids.


Hahahaha.. The Sun? It's probably one of most wierd story book I've read.
Everything in there is fake.. Would be more to believe in a story than the sun][/quote]

Anything from the Sun to the Enquirer is El-Trasho!
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Sarahli on January 06, 2010, 10:52:21 AM
I don't think that Michael would have convert just to change his name. I am a muslim and I can tell you that it is not compulsory to change your name when you become Muslim, it's just a tradition that has been raised as an obligation...well it's another subject. All beautiful names are welcome and Michael is a beautiful one, no need to change.
Look at Jermaine, he is still known under this name he may have chosen another name but it's not official. You can look after all other famous people who converted they have chosen new names not always officially but rather symbolic.
So this theory about Michael converting to change his name on official papers is vague because it would mean that Michael is playing with religion which I think is not possible. If he really did convert it must have been with his heart and we must respect that.
The "Joseph" and "Joe" thing may explain everything, plus remember that the death certificate has not been signed by doctors = document not valid.
I also want to say that whatever your religion is, the most important is to believe in God and to act accordingly = spread LOVE. His message has always been the same for all mankind.

May God's peace be upon you all my friends.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Amber on January 06, 2010, 05:50:43 PM
Ok now im in uk so.... my kids have changed names by legal depol due to me marrying not the bilogical dad, the original names remain on birth cert but they're changed names are legally bound and in the event of them dying these names are entered onto DC. therefore unless people personally know them, no one will no its them via their original names.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: the_gloved_one on January 06, 2010, 06:08:00 PM
Quote from: "Amber"
Ok now im in uk so.... my kids have changed names by legal depol due to me marrying not the bilogical dad, the original names remain on birth cert but they're changed names are legally bound and in the event of them dying these names are entered onto DC. therefore unless people personally know them, no one will no its them via their original names.

I was gonna bring up the whole deed poll thing and if its possible that Michael could have legally changed him in this way. On the whole converting to islam thing...there are a couple of pictures where Michael is wearing isalmic prayer beads round his neck but, i wasn't sure what to make of it.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Crescendo on January 06, 2010, 06:32:22 PM
I think Michael just hung out with a whole lot of people from different religions. Shumley and uri gellar were Jewish. Jermaine and that prince of bahrain ( i forget his name, sorry) were obviously muslim. Michaels mother is still a Jehovah's witness not to mention the other tons of people Michael hung with from different religions.

quite possibly the media just wanted a story again and would claim Michael converted. but i think Michael just walked around aimlessly in some ways. when he did speak of a Higher Power, he spoke of God and Jesus. I read in an article Michael spent his "last days" reading The Bible. Which in my opinion I think that was good if it is true.

That kinda tells me that Michael may have not converted to anything really.

I could be incorrect, of course.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Idéalo on January 06, 2010, 06:48:39 PM
If Michael became Musulman there is a good chance he is alive: Only necessary, which implies criminal investigations, with the requisite consent, can justify an autopsy
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: the_gloved_one on January 06, 2010, 08:31:24 PM
Quote from: "virgo75"

The Jacksons are GREAT at keeping secrets!

I mean, how long was Janet married to Renee?

So true! Janet was married for like 10 years (i think) and it was kept secret until they divorced.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Pammy on January 06, 2010, 11:25:02 PM
Ok finally I can post my opinion about this. I wanted to a while ago but wasnt sure...so im really believe that he converted
to islam. Following reasons:

1. The TIAI links direction to the Arrivals ... did anyone see all the parts?  The quran is the most honest and real source of all religions...
  im christian but i really believe that we got fooled by the bible for a long time.... u have to watch the Arrivals to understand it all....

2. A few weeks ago i posted painted pictures of MJ on the other forum before it got closed. here is the link: http://mjkit.forumotion.net/general-mic ... -t2316.htm (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/general-michael-jackson-forum-f6/mj-art-t2316.htm)

I find these paintings interesting regarding Islam.... They are called

Hidden Importance and Trust
The Hidden Importance one is from 1999 and the Trust one is from 2009

(http://http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8203/hiddenimportanceandtrus.th.jpg) (http://http://img162.imageshack.us/i/hiddenimportanceandtrus.jpg/)

3. Thats what i wanted to say with my posts in the Seventy-Seven.net Topic (Re-direction from TIAI) viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1736 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1736)  because there are  A LOT of Bahrain pictures and with LOVE etc.... check for yourself again if u like.

this one here for example :
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Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: i_need YoU on January 07, 2010, 05:32:05 AM
I Thought The Only Reason Why He Left The JW Was Because They Didn't Agree With His Music Thriller Or Something Like That...I Think I Read It In His Biography Or Something Like That :?  But Who Knows I Don't Really Care What Religion The Man Is Heehee I Still Respect Mr.Jackson :D  :D
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: TracyK on January 07, 2010, 05:56:11 AM
He did not convert to Muslim at all! Jermaine already said that. Not only that he talked so much about his salvation with Jesus Christ. He respected many religions and loved to learn about all things.. He studied them because that's what Michael does, he craves knowledge. He studied many things, but that didn't mean he became them.. He wanted to be educated. He did not wear a Kabbala (sp) bracelet, it was a friendship bracelet and he was to wear it until it fell off! I know this to be fact.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: i_need YoU on January 07, 2010, 06:01:23 AM
Quote from: "TracyK"
He did not convert to Muslim at all! Jermaine already said that. Not only that he talked so much about his salvation with Jesus Christ. He respected many religions and loved to learn about all things.. He studied them because that's what Michael does, he craves knowledge. He studied many things, but that didn't mean he became them.. He wanted to be educated. He did not wear a Kabbala (sp) bracelet, it was a friendship bracelet and he was to wear it until it fell off! I know this to be fact.
awww how sweet of him...did one of his children make the bracelet for him
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: iMJacksonfaN on January 07, 2010, 08:41:15 AM
Is this thread about Michael being Muslim?..

I think Michael isn't a person that change religions, just for a name swap..
- But it doesn't matter what he were. Religions to me isn't really an important thing.
It's Michael we have to care about.. I would think it had been a very bad choice of Michael to change to another religion when "he was bored, and just wanted to change name."

Michael Jackson is Michael Jackson.. He is our legend.. He is black, he is white. He is a human.. I love his personality, what he really did and how he did it for his fans, helped the people that suffered, and now.. His own family.. Faking his death, just because of his family.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Pammy on January 07, 2010, 10:27:36 PM
I dont think that he just faked his death for his family.... he did it for bigger reasons. IMO its possible that he converted to Islam.
Religions are really important nowadays. We all should believe in god or allah or whatever you wanna call him. There is only ONE GOD!
If you followed the TIAI directions and watched The Arrivals( all 51 parts) then you KNOW HOW IMPORTANT religions are because thats
why we have WAR nowadays and why we had wars in the past. Its a holy war going on in middle east and the reason for it you find in the Arrials.


Why do I never get an answer to my questions? What about the paintings? Arent that clues?
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Sarahli on January 09, 2010, 05:16:01 PM
I also think that it's possible that he's chosen Islam and became a Muslim = Submitted to God. It's really a possibility. The thing is that some people have so many prejudices against Islam and Muslims that they reject everything related to this religion. It's a shame because it just mean that the medias brainwashing works very well melting terrorism, violence, brutality and Islam. But if people were awaken they would see that the goal is to turn the people against Islam and all religions finally. Christianity has been corrupted, Judaism also and Islam is taking the same way unfortunately. Things are getting very bad.
People often say that religion is the cause of wars but they're wrong and that's what the elites want them to think. Religion has been hijacked by bad persons to take its true sense away. So the most important thing that people have to understand is that it is highly necessary to return to the true religions, the faith in God, the Unique, the submission to God's law. It's important because our future is in game here and now. This life is just a test and will not last forever, we can die at any time. The real life is the afterlife, it will last forever so we must do as much good things as possible to obtain heaven. We're not ask to move mountains, a simple smile is a good thing. Don't be pessimistic God is all merciful and will forgive your sins if you really repent.

Regarding the paintings I don't know what to think, it could be a clue or not, the message is not obvious, nevertheless we must ask ourselves why this woman has painted Michael as a nomad of the desert (with blue eyes...) but it's not a direct link to religion. This is rather a relation with Africa.

God Bless You
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Janus on January 11, 2010, 04:44:32 AM
Quote from: "live~love~laugh~mj"
check out this website theres also some videos that some were using as proof that michael converted but they have be proven untrue they are near the end of the page. Extensive info on the subject

http://http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Michael_Jackson

Thank you! As the writer of the above article, I went all over the Internet to trace this rumour back to its source.

1. It is reported by many that Michael converted to Islam on the 21st November, 2008, but this is not true the Sun article that was the original source was printed on this date. Please go to the above article and click on the link in the bottom right of the quote box to see this.

2. Two people who were allegedly there (Yusuf Islam and Dawud Wharnsby) said it never happened; Dawud said he hasn't even met Michael; let alone gone to any type of conversion ceremony.

All the other 'evidences' pointing to a conversion are just 'icing on the cake' of lies. I have analysed all the ones that I am aware of in the above article; and all turn out to not be true.

I'm not saying he definitely did not convert to Islam; but only that all the evidence put forward so far is unsufficient and easy to be debunk. Please, if you want to know what i have found, take a bit of time and read through my article. If you know of anymore evidence that I have missed, I will be glad to have a look and add/amend my article if it is required.


This all started because of a Tabloid article which was not true; that is why I put the music video to Tabloid Junkie at the end of the article; quite fitting I thought :)
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Infinitylady on January 11, 2010, 04:23:49 PM
Quote
Christianity has been corrupted, Judaism also and Islam is taking the same way unfortunately. Things are getting very bad.

Christianity stemmed from Judaism.  But I won't go into debates about it.

Bottom line it is really about a relationship with God and his purpose is to bring us back to Him(reconcile.)

But I don't doubt there isn't any corruption going on.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: KINGdom52 on January 14, 2010, 08:08:38 AM
Just a thought...
Could this whole story about his conversion to Muslim be one more a negative picture for Mike
 by those who wanted to destroy his image???
 As we all know how the media has created a negative oppinion to the most people about the
  muslims??
 Just a thought ...
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Melzy777 on January 17, 2010, 08:44:59 AM
I really don't sense Michael has converted to any one religion. He didn't like to say he was JUST an American, he said that he belonged to the world. I think his beliefs are spiritually much higher than any one religion can compliment.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: jonnysgirldangerous on January 17, 2010, 09:21:44 AM
MJ left JW mainly because the way they were treating him and LaToya, as she said herself. But he always stated that he was a believer in Jesus and continued believing in JW things even if he wasn't part of the religion anymore. A lot of people do that, they take some distance from their "churches" but keep believing in things that belong to that religion. I don't think a muslim would talk greatly about Jesus and being like him like MJ used to do, and even Jermaine said that he never converted. He loved knowledge and religions and he study them a lot, that being said by himself in an interview, but he didn't belong to any as such. And yes like one of you pointed out, his bracelet it's not kaballah's but a friendship one.
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Crescendo on January 17, 2010, 09:39:55 AM
Quote from: "jonnysgirldangerous"
MJ left JW mainly because the way they were treating him and LaToya, as she said herself. But he always stated that he was a believer in Jesus and continued believing in JW things even if he wasn't part of the religion anymore. A lot of people do that, they take some distance from their "churches" but keep believing in things that belong to that religion. I don't think a muslim would talk greatly about Jesus and being like him like MJ used to do, and even Jermaine said that he never converted. He loved knowledge and religions and he study them a lot, that being said by himself in an interview, but he didn't belong to any as such. And yes like one of you pointed out, his bracelet it's not kaballah's but a friendship one.


nicely said.  8-)
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: Miss-Zazi95 on January 17, 2010, 10:48:48 AM
Quote from: "Sarahli"
I also think that it's possible that he's chosen Islam and became a Muslim = Submitted to God. It's really a possibility. The thing is that some people have so many prejudices against Islam and Muslims that they reject everything related to this religion. It's a shame because it just mean that the medias brainwashing works very well melting terrorism, violence, brutality and Islam. But if people were awaken they would see that the goal is to turn the people against Islam and all religions finally. Christianity has been corrupted, Judaism also and Islam is taking the same way unfortunately. Things are getting very bad.
People often say that religion is the cause of wars but they're wrong and that's what the elites want them to think. Religion has been hijacked by bad persons to take its true sense away. So the most important thing that people have to understand is that it is highly necessary to return to the true religions, the faith in God, the Unique, the submission to God's law. It's important because our future is in game here and now. This life is just a test and will not last forever, we can die at any time. The real life is the afterlife, it will last forever so we must do as much good things as possible to obtain heaven. We're not ask to move mountains, a simple smile is a good thing. Don't be pessimistic God is all merciful and will forgive your sins if you really repent.

Regarding the paintings I don't know what to think, it could be a clue or not, the message is not obvious, nevertheless we must ask ourselves why this woman has painted Michael as a nomad of the desert (with blue eyes...) but it's not a direct link to religion. This is rather a relation with Africa.

God Bless You


Quote from: "Pammy"
I dont think that he just faked his death for his family.... he did it for bigger reasons. IMO its possible that he converted to Islam.
Religions are really important nowadays. We all should believe in god or allah or whatever you wanna call him. There is only ONE GOD!
If you followed the TIAI directions and watched The Arrivals( all 51 parts) then you KNOW HOW IMPORTANT religions are because thats
why we have WAR nowadays and why we had wars in the past. Its a holy war going on in middle east and the reason for it you find in the Arrials.


Why do I never get an answer to my questions? What about the paintings? Arent that clues?


AMEN ! YOU ARE RIGHT ! I TOTALLY AGREE ! If only people could think the way you do ! PEACE AND LOVE FOR EVER !
Title: Re: Shocking New Evidence From: "Michael Jackson Sightings
Post by: virgo75 on January 17, 2010, 11:55:29 AM
Been thinking about this and I think it's not only possible, but it could tie in with the hoax death in several ways.
Just posting theory here:

1)I wouldn't rule out MJ converting to Islam just because he A.never acknowledged it, and B.quoted Bible verses.  
   A.-If it was something he was not ready to share with the world -or- he didn't want himself or the religion to be further attacked because of his connection to it, he would have kept it to himself even if it were true.  Both he and Janet hid their marriages from the public -his to LMP for a few months until it came out, and Janet to Renee for about a DECADE.  They are capable of keeping secrets to protect what's important to them!
   B.-If he grew up in the church and was fluent in the Bible, then why not?  Also, if he was trying to cover up being Muslim, quoting the Quran would not help.   :lol:    Like in this hoax, he would have to leave some evidence to the contrary or it would be too obvious and he would be found out.  That way we could debate and say, "No, Michael wasn't Muslim because he never said it & he quoted the Bible."   ;)

2)The name change may have helped him in the hoax if it's true.
   A.-As another poster stated, he could have changed his name & identity, not told anyone, then escaped unnoticed because everyone is looking for "Michael Jackson"  not "Mikaeel."
   B.-Others have posted on the possibility of a body double dying.  If he did change his name, then it's possible that he helped the dying impersonater take on his former identity(Michael Joe/Joseph Jackson, born 8/29/58, soc. sec. num., etc.), then when that person died, it would all be the truth that "Michael Jackson" died.  And the deceased can't be prosecuted on identity theft because he's already dead.
   
3)If he did convert and/or he did not die, then the memorial service being a Christian service would serve 2 purposes:
   A.-To further protect his image as Christian.
   B.-To give the deceased "Michael Jackson" a Christian service if he was indeed Christian.

4)As for the burial/internment - the public was only given a small amount of footage and photos.  So we really don't know what went on.  There's still debate as to whether or not Michael Jackson or "Michael Jackson" is interred at Forrest Lawn.  We can't get a definitive answer and never saw an actual burial.  So, with that in mind, it's possible that the impersonator "Michael Jackson" was actually buried somewhere else and all the Forrest Lawn stuff is fake.  Or, God forbid  :cry: , if Michael/Mikaeel did pass, then he could have also been buried at another time/place without us knowing about it and again, the Forrest Lawn stuff is fake.

Just my thoughts.
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