Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: LiberianGirl on December 29, 2009, 09:31:45 PM
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We've discussed for lots of reasons why Michael could do this hoax. And lately I heard a lot about the threats he got and he did it because of them. But does it sound logical to you? It doesn't to me. Because Michael would NEVER EVER show his kids to NOONE if he and his family were in danger. Especially at the memorial, he pushed the kids into the spotlight. He would never do that if he thought that kids were in danger. If you think that he had to show his kids to make the death more reliable, I can say that he would have called his best friends to his memorial to make it look more reliable but he didn't even do that. Why would he show his kids?
And about Murray;
I have lots of questions in my mind. I thought about Murray a lot. If Michael was faking his death and if he would never ever going to come back, why would he involve Murray to the case? It would be easier if it was said that he had an heart attack and died. Michael could pay to Murray but Murray would never be in safe with the Jackson fanatics. Michael needs to come back to tell that he's innocent and did nothing to him. What do you think? Why did he involve Murray?
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good questions...I cannot imagine why MJ would WANT to die a supposed drug addict on some unknown drug. The danger theory has been working for me and the only one that was makin sense...but then there are the close friends issue. I dont know -Murray hmmmmm. We really need Annie back on board.
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i think that in this case the cameras and paparazzi are on his side, they are protected for the public eye... if someone want to hurt this kids we are able to see this, because all the cameras they have around... just a thought! ;)
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i agree.
why show his children to the world if Michael was receiving threats & all?
i think if he did not involve Murry & if it was just said he died of a heart attack, people would become extra skeptical as to how, why, etc.
i'm just very confused :/
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thats a good thought honestly CC,and your not the first to have it. Some think this is why he unovered them. The public did not know what they looked like...but whoever was a threat would have.
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thanks neverlandprincess!
he like it simple! ;)
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I completely understand... Murray has been in my mind since the beginning too. If i were a non believer I would be SO angry and deeply sad and frustrated to know him walking free.
Here my thoughts:
Murray was in the hoax. If Michael had supposedely died of an overdose all by himself, then it would not have been anybody being officially "guilty" but him ( :? ). Michael would have been the only one who decided this and would have ended his life alone (god it hurts so much to tell that...). Then people would "lost" interest in his death...I mean, the cause of the death would be clear.
Instead, it's an homicide, so there is someone who is guilty, but still free. The investigation is going and people kept questionning about the doctor and wants to know the truth. So the interest is still going, even growing around his death,because he is still free, to make us think more, think that something is not right , and little by little Michael would come back (I hope)
Hope I make sense lol
I'm not sure though, because I'm torn between this and the conspiracy theory. It may be the twos, who knows...
And I agree about the kids :) Ironically, it would be for their protection .
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i agree, o-drey-o.
people would have labeled him even more severely as a drug addict.
if he had "died" on his own, everyone would think that he allowed himself to die without thinking about his children.
so they'll think he was indifferent about his children's feelings.
but if there was someone else, dr. murry, involved...it looked as if he was he cause of Michael's death, not Michael himself.
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thats a good thought honestly CC,and your not the first to have it. Some think this is why he unovered them. The public did not know what they looked like...but whoever was a threat would have.
But is it easier to kill someone that you don't know what he/she looks like or is it easier to kill him/her if you know what she/he looks like. He tried to hide them so much and to me he would never show their faces in public especially like the memorial if he was under threat. How can media protect the kids? And would Michael trust and allow paprazzi to protect his kids? I don't think so.
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I completely understand... Murray has been in my mind since the beginning too. If i were a non believer I would be SO angry and deeply sad and frustrated to know him walking free.
Here my thoughts:
Murray was in the hoax. If Michael had supposedely died of an overdose all by himself, then it would not have been anybody being officially "guilty" but him ( :? ). Michael would have been the only one who decided this and would have ended his life alone (god it hurts so much to tell that...). Then people would "lost" interest in his death...I mean, the cause of the death would be clear.
Instead, it's an homicide, so there is someone who is guilty, but still free. The investigation is going and people kept questionning about the doctor and wants to know the truth. So the interest is still going, even growing around his death,because he is still free, to make us think more, think that something is not right , and little by little Michael would come back (I hope)
Hope I make sense lol
I'm not sure though, because I'm torn between this and the conspiracy theory. It may be the twos, who knows...
And I agree about the kids :) Ironically, it would be for their protection .
You definitely make sense hon. That can be the ONLY reason why he involved Murray in this. To keep the interest grow! Otherwise there is no logical explanation for Murray.
Do you guys think that we can see a fiction case about the death? I think that's possible if Michael is not going to come back. To make fans relieve a little about Murray being free.
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thats a good thought honestly CC,and your not the first to have it. Some think this is why he unovered them. The public did not know what they looked like...but whoever was a threat would have.
But is it easier to kill someone that you don't know what he/she looks like or is it easier to kill him/her if you know what she/he looks like. He tried to hide them so much and to me he would never show their faces in public especially like the memorial if he was under threat. How can media protect the kids? And would Michael trust and allow paprazzi to protect his kids? I don't think so.
No but understand what I am saying-not that the pap would be the protectors,but would the pap be around kid they did not know who they were? NO,but they will follow around Michael Jacksons kids...his kids are hot topic right now. THE CROWD THAT IS AROUND WOULD MAKE IT HARDER> It is hard to kidnap or kill someone if they are surrounded all the time. Also if it was him and his assets that were the target ,they may not mess with the kids at least not now. He hid them when they were babies and young like Blanket. And what I was saying was-the WORLD did not know what they looked like-because he kept them hidden...BUT if the threat worked with him then they knew what the kids looked like. SO its harder with EVERYONE seeing them to get them. Of course the kids themselves being in danger may be a seperate thing then MJ being in danger.
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@neverlandprincess
thanks for the explanation...
english is not my first language and i was trying to explain and you did it!
BIG THANK YOU!!! that´s what i wa strying to say! ;)
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thats a good thought honestly CC,and your not the first to have it. Some think this is why he unovered them. The public did not know what they looked like...but whoever was a threat would have.
But is it easier to kill someone that you don't know what he/she looks like or is it easier to kill him/her if you know what she/he looks like. He tried to hide them so much and to me he would never show their faces in public especially like the memorial if he was under threat. How can media protect the kids? And would Michael trust and allow paprazzi to protect his kids? I don't think so.
No but understand what I am saying-not that the pap would be the protectors,but would the pap be around kid they did not know who they were? NO,but they will follow around Michael Jacksons kids...his kids are hot topic right now. THE CROWD THAT IS AROUND WOULD MAKE IT HARDER> It is hard to kidnap or kill someone if they are surrounded all the time. Also if it was him and his assets that were the target ,they may not mess with the kids at least not now. He hid them when they were babies and young like Blanket. And what I was saying was-the WORLD did not know what they looked like-because he kept them hidden...BUT if the threat worked with him then they knew what the kids looked like. SO its harder with EVERYONE seeing them to get them. Of course the kids themselves being in danger may be a seperate thing then MJ being in danger.
For now yep they're in the media but as you said it will be dangerous again for them later on. That's what I'm trying to say. Michael thinks so wide and for further too. He would do nothing to put them in danger. And I believe that these threats would be dangerous for the kids and the entire family too. But I got your point CC ;) and thanx for explaining Princess ;) :D
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i agree, o-drey-o.
people would have labeled him even more severely as a drug addict.
if he had "died" on his own, everyone would think that he allowed himself to die without thinking about his children.
so they'll think he was indifferent about his children's feelings.
but if there was someone else, dr. murry, involved...it looked as if he was he cause of Michael's death, not Michael himself.
It's so offtopic but I had to say this; I LOVED your siggy girl. Wow you did a great job there. Your picture and Michael's, I liked it a lot :D
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thank you :)
i like yours also,
especially the left one...when he bites his lip :)
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thank you :)
i like yours also,
especially the left one...when he bites his lip :)
yeah it makes you want to bite his lips too lol :lol: :twisted:
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Do you guys think that we can see a fiction case about the death? I think that's possible if Michael is not going to come back. To make fans relieve a little bit about Murray being free.
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Do you guys think that we can see a fiction case about the death? I think that's possible if Michael is not going to come back. To make fans relieve a little bit about Murray being free.
I'm sorry I don't know what you mean ... :oops: What would make fans relieve? There still would be someone who killed Michael Jackson walking free like all of us... :? I must have misunderstood your post...
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Do you guys think that we can see a fiction case about the death? I think that's possible if Michael is not going to come back. To make fans relieve a little bit about Murray being free.
I'm sorry I dont really understand the question :D Ilike your sig too. I always love it when he bites the lip. ;)
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Well I think he revealed the kids just for this reason, because what else was he supposed to do?
If him being in danger really was the case, it's not like he could "die" and take them with him so they had to lay the groundwork for them to transition into thei rnormal life.
If the threat was against him then whoever was threatening him would assume he were really dead and then the children could just live....because I think the public would question it a lot more if they were still in their masks. Can you imagine them in their masks at the memorial for example? See that'd be a little weird.
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I mean a fiction (not real) trial of Murray about the death case :) Well a trial would be better than nothing I guess. We know that Murray did nothing wrong but for the ones who think that he killed Michael, a trial at least would be better than nothing. That's what I meant :)
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Well I think he revealed the kids just for this reason, because what else was he supposed to do?
If him being in danger really was the case, it's not like he could "die" and take them with him so they had to lay the groundwork for them to transition into thei rnormal life.
If the threat was against him then whoever was threatening him would assume he were really dead and then the children could just live....because I think the public would question it a lot more if they were still in their masks. Can you imagine them in their masks at the memorial for example? See that'd be a little weird.
not in masks but they could say that the kids were too sad to join the memorial or could find something to say :)
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I mean a fiction (not real) trial of Murray about the death case :) Well a trial would be better than nothing I guess. We know that Murray did nothing wrong but for the ones who think that he killed Michael, a trial at least would be better than nothing. That's what I meant :)
maybe they are taking this six months to make the fiction trial! ;)
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I mean a fiction (not real) trial of Murray about the death case :) Well a trial would be better than nothing I guess. We know that Murray did nothing wrong but for the ones who think that he killed Michael, a trial at least would be better than nothing. That's what I meant :)
maybe they are taking this six months to make the fiction trial! ;)
hahaha :lol: I hope that is not the case..then everyone will be lookin at us like "I told you so". :|
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Ok thank you for the explaination :)
And you mean a trial that would find Murray not guilty? Because the contrary would be impossible to do I think lol
Otherwise well...I don't know, could be difficult to make it real but who knows... everything seem so fake for us but the other people actually believe it so ... ;) . Personally, If I were a non believer that would be not enough for me :x it may angers me more because it would be an homocide without a guilty ... it would even be more frustrating ...but it's just my opinion :roll:
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i think what Liberian Girl meant was a fake trial that would indicate Murray to be guilty. i think it is reasonable, considering that i kinda fear for his life from angry MJ fans who believe he murdered MJ. not trying to be mean or anything.
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Personally, i have been viewing all these death hoax forums and keeping up to date, and i've seen all the videos especially the ones by painogames, he is truly amazing and he is gonna solve this in the end i know it. My opinion is that MJ DID fake his death and i think he had plenty of reasons that don;t include his health. Here is my List of Reasons why MJ would do this,
#1 - Michael has been in the spotlight for over 40 years, and for all those years he has not had one single ounce of privacy, everything he does, everything he says, he is watched, and followed by paparatzzi, that is no way for anyone to live no matter how big a star you are, There is only so much a person can take, he may be Michael Jackson but he is still HUMAN. He could have wanted to finally have some privacy , i mean after all he has given to the world for years and decades, he deserves some fucking peace and quiet for ONCE.
#2 - Michael had bad people around him, working for him, controlling him. He was barely even in control of his own life, everything was decided for him. like he was some robot that didn't have a mind, & there were A LOT of bad people that hated him for some reason wether it was jealousy, or they wanted revenge for being fired or something, there were a lot of bad people around him that wanted to hurt him and kill him, and Michael KNEW that, and he was very scared and paranoid, if he picked up a water bottle and the lid was loose he would freak out and get a new one, he has even said to his sisters that he knows people are after him and he would constantly repeat " there gonna kill me, they are after me" He was a very scared man and he knew people wanted to get him. There fore causing him to want to escape and get away from those people, if they think he is dead they no longer will have to hurt him right? Michael could have wanted to escape those bad people.
#3- THIS IS IT - 50 fucking shows, are you kidding me, Michael was 50 years old, i don't care how great he is, at 50 no one NO ONE can handle that many shows, and its bad enough that Michael wasn't sleeping, and he was taking drugs and mis using them, and YES he was being administered drugs weather you believe it or not , He also hadn't been eating right, anyone else notice how think he was in this is it, he claimed that was his regular dance weight, but it wasnt we grew up with him, he know that man has never been that thin, there fore on top of all that, they wanted him and expected him to do 50 shows??? are you kidding me, i don;t care how amazing he is, we know he can still dance at 50 but 50 shows is just to excessive, it's too much even for mj. He may have been fairly healthy which i believe he was, but thats too much for a 50 year old man to handle. So maybe this was the biggest reason, maybe Michael wanted to escape for a little while to get himself back together, you know, get over the drugs and fix his life and get back into the zone. Everybody needs time. and Maybe Michael wasn;t prepared for what was expected maybe he needed more time. I think within time he wil come back, but we as the fans need to show him that we still stand by him and that we love him & we want him to be happy, but most importantly we want him to be SAFE, and HEALTHY. we don;t want to lose him for real now do we? and if had gone on with the 50 shows in the state he was in. he could have died for real. there was too much pressure. So guys continue to beLIEve and stand by him, and when he is ready he shall thrill the world once more. But this time, he will be better than EVER. Shamone now , we all know he;s still got it ;) he just has to find it :D Michael i love you, and i stand by you, get better, relax, take your time, i will wait patiently for you to come back to us, and i can;t wait until you thrill us all again :)<3 There's a reason he remains the king of pop :)<3 I Love you more :)
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I do believe that if MJ did hoax his death, the only plausible reason, in my eyes, is danger to himself...or something else very drastic that made it necessary. But I also believe that if MJ is really dead, then his death was no accident. It was murder. I'm not sure I'd buy into the mega-conspiracy theories that are out there. But if he is dead, I just don't believe it as just the result of a bumbling doctor.
I also really don't believe MJ ever intended to do 50 shows. I do believe he signed a contract that committed him to a minimum of 31 shows, and possibly more. But I don't believe he intended to do 50. Since only the first like 13 shows or something were insured, I think it's possible that he never planned to do more than that. He could still have the satisfaction of knowing he completely sold out 50 shows at the O2, which set an all time record for that arena! But I just feel like he planned to to the initial group of shows and that is it. Had he gone to England, the rest of the shows would have been cancelled...or maybe just even rescheduled. Who knows.
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We've discussed for lots of reasons why Michael could do this hoax. And lately I heard a lot about the threats he got and he did it because of them. But does it sound logical to you? It doesn't to me. Because Michael would NEVER EVER show his kids to NOONE if he and his family were in danger. Especially at the memorial, he pushed the kids into the spotlight. He would never do that if he thought that kids were in danger. If you think that he had to show his kids to make the death more reliable, I can say that he would have called his best friends to his memorial to make it look more reliable but he didn't even do that. Why would he show his kids?
And about Murray;
I have lots of questions in my mind. I thought about Murray a lot. If Michael was faking his death and if he would never ever going to come back, why would he involve Murray to the case? It would be easier if it was said that he had an heart attack and died. Michael could pay to Murray but Murray would never be in safe with the Jackson fanatics. Michael needs to come back to tell that he's innocent and did nothing to him. What do you think? Why did he involve Murray?
First he uses the media to protect them and keep them in the eye.. if people see their faces and know their faces they are more safe.
To fake your dead, you need witnesses. And offcourse Michael didn't want any innocent people get arrested. Murray is in it...and he doesn't have to worrie because Michael is alive.
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Personally, i have been viewing all these death hoax forums and keeping up to date, and i've seen all the videos especially the ones by painogames, he is truly amazing and he is gonna solve this in the end i know it. My opinion is that MJ DID fake his death and i think he had plenty of reasons that don;t include his health. Here is my List of Reasons why MJ would do this,
#1 - Michael has been in the spotlight for over 40 years, and for all those years he has not had one single ounce of privacy, everything he does, everything he says, he is watched, and followed by paparatzzi, that is no way for anyone to live no matter how big a star you are, There is only so much a person can take, he may be Michael Jackson but he is still HUMAN. He could have wanted to finally have some privacy , i mean after all he has given to the world for years and decades, he deserves some fucking peace and quiet for ONCE.
#2 - Michael had bad people around him, working for him, controlling him. He was barely even in control of his own life, everything was decided for him. like he was some robot that didn't have a mind, & there were A LOT of bad people that hated him for some reason wether it was jealousy, or they wanted revenge for being fired or something, there were a lot of bad people around him that wanted to hurt him and kill him, and Michael KNEW that, and he was very scared and paranoid, if he picked up a water bottle and the lid was loose he would freak out and get a new one, he has even said to his sisters that he knows people are after him and he would constantly repeat " there gonna kill me, they are after me" He was a very scared man and he knew people wanted to get him. There fore causing him to want to escape and get away from those people, if they think he is dead they no longer will have to hurt him right? Michael could have wanted to escape those bad people.
#3- THIS IS IT - 50 fucking shows, are you kidding me, Michael was 50 years old, i don't care how great he is, at 50 no one NO ONE can handle that many shows, and its bad enough that Michael wasn't sleeping, and he was taking drugs and mis using them, and YES he was being administered drugs weather you believe it or not , He also hadn't been eating right, anyone else notice how think he was in this is it, he claimed that was his regular dance weight, but it wasnt we grew up with him, he know that man has never been that thin, there fore on top of all that, they wanted him and expected him to do 50 shows??? are you kidding me, i don;t care how amazing he is, we know he can still dance at 50 but 50 shows is just to excessive, it's too much even for mj. He may have been fairly healthy which i believe he was, but thats too much for a 50 year old man to handle. So maybe this was the biggest reason, maybe Michael wanted to escape for a little while to get himself back together, you know, get over the drugs and fix his life and get back into the zone. Everybody needs time. and Maybe Michael wasn;t prepared for what was expected maybe he needed more time. I think within time he wil come back, but we as the fans need to show him that we still stand by him and that we love him & we want him to be happy, but most importantly we want him to be SAFE, and HEALTHY. we don;t want to lose him for real now do we? and if had gone on with the 50 shows in the state he was in. he could have died for real. there was too much pressure. So guys continue to beLIEve and stand by him, and when he is ready he shall thrill the world once more. But this time, he will be better than EVER. Shamone now , we all know he;s still got it ;) he just has to find it :D Michael i love you, and i stand by you, get better, relax, take your time, i will wait patiently for you to come back to us, and i can;t wait until you thrill us all again :)<3 There's a reason he remains the king of pop :)<3 I Love you more :)
nice post ..
I also think that he can't do these 50 show fro the beggining .. :roll:
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what im confused with too is if there were threats wouldnt there still be them if he came back? i want him to come back more than ever the person to see this love for him but wont there still be threats and what will he have achieved unless the people who did this are being dealt with by the FBI and thats why michael had to disappear so there was no way of getting him but just hope hes still gonna be safe when he returns!! :? :!: :!:
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Like I've said before I think Michael had to do this because someone wanted him out of the way, Maybe he knows more about things I don't know but if he had to do this he certainly would maybe have been pushed to expose his kids to the world maybe he had no other choice.
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Read the following. It was posted on the old MJKIT by Bec about MJ revealed his children....it makes perfect sense.
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-jackson ... 5-t294.htm (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-jackson-family-kids-f34/i-know-why-the-kids-ids-were-revealed-just-weeks-before-6-25-t294.htm)
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I believe MJ was in danger as well. Alot of people say he wouldnt fake his death cus he wouldnt do that to his kids....well HE WOULD do that to his kids...only to protect THEM. If these people who wanted MJ dead were serious, then they would be willing to kill anyone who stood in their way...including children. I know that sounds disturbing...and it is.....but think about it. MJ knew how dangerous these people were who wanted him dead and he knew they would stop at nothing to make him go away. Plant a car bomb designed for MJ only and the next time he gets in the car, its with his kids in tow to go shopping....turn the key and BOOM....all done. These people dont mess around. Im not kidding...MJ had a very good reason to be terrified.
A certain person on here said that MJ loved his children lots but he wouldnt love them to death.
That menas he loved them enough to leave them behind. To keep them safe and out of harms way. Even if it meant he may never see them again. He loved them THAT much.
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I believe MJ was in danger as well. Alot of people say he wouldnt fake his death cus he wouldnt do that to his kids....well HE WOULD do that to his kids...only to protect THEM. If these people who wanted MJ dead were serious, then they would be willing to kill anyone who stood in their way...including children. I know that sounds disturbing...and it is.....but think about it. MJ knew how dangerous these people were who wanted him dead and he knew they would stop at nothing to make him go away. Plant a car bomb designed for MJ only and the next time he gets in the car, its with his kids in tow to go shopping....turn the key and BOOM....all done. These people dont mess around. Im not kidding...MJ had a very good reason to be terrified.
A certain person on here said that MJ loved his children lots but he wouldnt love them to death.
That menas he loved them enough to leave them behind. To keep them safe and out of harms way. Even if it meant he may never see them again. He loved them THAT much.
I agree completely! I just hope that if he were in danger and he maybe knows who brought him in danger, the police is after those person(s)
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Personally, i have been viewing all these death hoax forums and keeping up to date, and i've seen all the videos especially the ones by painogames, he is truly amazing and he is gonna solve this in the end i know it. My opinion is that MJ DID fake his death and i think he had plenty of reasons that don;t include his health. Here is my List of Reasons why MJ would do this,
#1 - Michael has been in the spotlight for over 40 years, and for all those years he has not had one single ounce of privacy, everything he does, everything he says, he is watched, and followed by paparatzzi, that is no way for anyone to live no matter how big a star you are, There is only so much a person can take, he may be Michael Jackson but he is still HUMAN. He could have wanted to finally have some privacy , i mean after all he has given to the world for years and decades, he deserves some fucking peace and quiet for ONCE.
#2 - Michael had bad people around him, working for him, controlling him. He was barely even in control of his own life, everything was decided for him. like he was some robot that didn't have a mind, & there were A LOT of bad people that hated him for some reason wether it was jealousy, or they wanted revenge for being fired or something, there were a lot of bad people around him that wanted to hurt him and kill him, and Michael KNEW that, and he was very scared and paranoid, if he picked up a water bottle and the lid was loose he would freak out and get a new one, he has even said to his sisters that he knows people are after him and he would constantly repeat " there gonna kill me, they are after me" He was a very scared man and he knew people wanted to get him. There fore causing him to want to escape and get away from those people, if they think he is dead they no longer will have to hurt him right? Michael could have wanted to escape those bad people.
#3- THIS IS IT - 50 fucking shows, are you kidding me, Michael was 50 years old, i don't care how great he is, at 50 no one NO ONE can handle that many shows, and its bad enough that Michael wasn't sleeping, and he was taking drugs and mis using them, and YES he was being administered drugs weather you believe it or not , He also hadn't been eating right, anyone else notice how think he was in this is it, he claimed that was his regular dance weight, but it wasnt we grew up with him, he know that man has never been that thin, there fore on top of all that, they wanted him and expected him to do 50 shows??? are you kidding me, i don;t care how amazing he is, we know he can still dance at 50 but 50 shows is just to excessive, it's too much even for mj. He may have been fairly healthy which i believe he was, but thats too much for a 50 year old man to handle. So maybe this was the biggest reason, maybe Michael wanted to escape for a little while to get himself back together, you know, get over the drugs and fix his life and get back into the zone. Everybody needs time. and Maybe Michael wasn;t prepared for what was expected maybe he needed more time. I think within time he wil come back, but we as the fans need to show him that we still stand by him and that we love him & we want him to be happy, but most importantly we want him to be SAFE, and HEALTHY. we don;t want to lose him for real now do we? and if had gone on with the 50 shows in the state he was in. he could have died for real. there was too much pressure. So guys continue to beLIEve and stand by him, and when he is ready he shall thrill the world once more. But this time, he will be better than EVER. Shamone now , we all know he;s still got it ;) he just has to find it :D Michael i love you, and i stand by you, get better, relax, take your time, i will wait patiently for you to come back to us, and i can;t wait until you thrill us all again :)<3 There's a reason he remains the king of pop :)<3 I Love you more :)
I agree with you on the 3rd part but I don't on the 1st and 2nd. First of, Michael wasn't that much in the spotlight lately and paparazzi wasn't following him much. If he wanted to escape from the media he would have done this hoax long time ago, not when the media started to forget him.
Second of all, if Michael was really scared and trying to run away from those people who were trying to kill him, he would never ever leave so many clues behind that scream he is alive! If we found out the clues, those people could easily find them too. He would think about it.
But I totally agree with you on the third part. I never thought that he would do 50 shows. Actually I never thought that TII were meant to be concerts. I think it was all just for the movie :D
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I do believe that if MJ did hoax his death, the only plausible reason, in my eyes, is danger to himself...or something else very drastic that made it necessary. But I also believe that if MJ is really dead, then his death was no accident. It was murder. I'm not sure I'd buy into the mega-conspiracy theories that are out there. But if he is dead, I just don't believe it as just the result of a bumbling doctor.
I also really don't believe MJ ever intended to do 50 shows. I do believe he signed a contract that committed him to a minimum of 31 shows, and possibly more. But I don't believe he intended to do 50. Since only the first like 13 shows or something were insured, I think it's possible that he never planned to do more than that. He could still have the satisfaction of knowing he completely sold out 50 shows at the O2, which set an all time record for that arena! But I just feel like he planned to to the initial group of shows and that is it. Had he gone to England, the rest of the shows would have been cancelled...or maybe just even rescheduled. Who knows.
I never believe he's dead. No one else could give all those clues except Michael himself. Why would they bother giving us clues if they killed Michael already? :)
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I believe MJ was in danger as well. Alot of people say he wouldnt fake his death cus he wouldnt do that to his kids....well HE WOULD do that to his kids...only to protect THEM. If these people who wanted MJ dead were serious, then they would be willing to kill anyone who stood in their way...including children. I know that sounds disturbing...and it is.....but think about it. MJ knew how dangerous these people were who wanted him dead and he knew they would stop at nothing to make him go away. Plant a car bomb designed for MJ only and the next time he gets in the car, its with his kids in tow to go shopping....turn the key and BOOM....all done. These people dont mess around. Im not kidding...MJ had a very good reason to be terrified.
A certain person on here said that MJ loved his children lots but he wouldnt love them to death.
That menas he loved them enough to leave them behind. To keep them safe and out of harms way. Even if it meant he may never see them again. He loved them THAT much.
He could leave them behind without showing their faces to the media. It doesn't make sense to me still. It's my opinion of course :)
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Ok thank you for the explaination :)
And you mean a trial that would find Murray not guilty? Because the contrary would be impossible to do I think lol
Otherwise well...I don't know, could be difficult to make it real but who knows... everything seem so fake for us but the other people actually believe it so ... ;) . Personally, If I were a non believer that would be not enough for me :x it may angers me more because it would be an homocide without a guilty ... it would even be more frustrating ...but it's just my opinion :roll:
Like q0txciityl0ve wrote it would be a "fake" trial but I don't know if they will find him guilty or not. Did you watch the vid of Murray's trial about his kid? It was fake too. There was some money on the table and on that money there was a face of Gilda :D That's the reason why I thought they could make another fake trial about the death case :D But hope they don't because that means that Michael is not coming back.
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I believe MJ was in danger as well. Alot of people say he wouldnt fake his death cus he wouldnt do that to his kids....well HE WOULD do that to his kids...only to protect THEM. If these people who wanted MJ dead were serious, then they would be willing to kill anyone who stood in their way...including children. I know that sounds disturbing...and it is.....but think about it. MJ knew how dangerous these people were who wanted him dead and he knew they would stop at nothing to make him go away. Plant a car bomb designed for MJ only and the next time he gets in the car, its with his kids in tow to go shopping....turn the key and BOOM....all done. These people dont mess around. Im not kidding...MJ had a very good reason to be terrified.
A certain person on here said that MJ loved his children lots but he wouldnt love them to death.
That menas he loved them enough to leave them behind. To keep them safe and out of harms way. Even if it meant he may never see them again. He loved them THAT much.
Sounds most believable for me. But that would mean: no comeback. But what about the disguises (Vid. Halloween with Liz and the kids etc.)? Ppl who wants to kill him are not stupidly. They can catch them, if he is going around in some disguises. Sorry, its difficult for me to explain in english what I mean.
Are completely in disorder with the thought now.
I dont need a comeback - if: YEAH! But I would like to know him well WITH his kids :(
But maybe you are right and they are separate for years.
Perhaps that is the reason why Paris looks mostly so badly, if it notices someone makes a photo.
What a sad/bad world :( :( :( :(
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I believe MJ was in danger as well. Alot of people say he wouldnt fake his death cus he wouldnt do that to his kids....well HE WOULD do that to his kids...only to protect THEM. If these people who wanted MJ dead were serious, then they would be willing to kill anyone who stood in their way...including children. I know that sounds disturbing...and it is.....but think about it. MJ knew how dangerous these people were who wanted him dead and he knew they would stop at nothing to make him go away. Plant a car bomb designed for MJ only and the next time he gets in the car, its with his kids in tow to go shopping....turn the key and BOOM....all done. These people dont mess around. Im not kidding...MJ had a very good reason to be terrified.
A certain person on here said that MJ loved his children lots but he wouldnt love them to death.
That menas he loved them enough to leave them behind. To keep them safe and out of harms way. Even if it meant he may never see them again. He loved them THAT much.
He could leave them behind without showing their faces to the media. It doesn't make sense to me still. It's my opinion of course :)
Did you read the link I posted at 9:19am?
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Murray is a patsy
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I do believe that if MJ did hoax his death, the only plausible reason, in my eyes, is danger to himself...or something else very drastic that made it necessary. But I also believe that if MJ is really dead, then his death was no accident. It was murder. I'm not sure I'd buy into the mega-conspiracy theories that are out there. But if he is dead, I just don't believe it as just the result of a bumbling doctor.
exactly...when i try to imagine how Michael would justify the hoax, something serious as a threat to his life comes out as the answer , though i am completely ignorant about the laws in the U.S and don't know whether such a thing would serve as a sufficient justification. But for months people have been discussing the Witness Protection Program and all so I was waiting for a news that could hint that Michael had some threat to his life. Now suddenly the FBI Files have revealed that. As I've said before I don't know much about the legality of the whole thing but the revelation has come as a desired piece of information.....so considering my little knowledge, the threat theory works for me
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Let me write a script. Ok here I go.
I'm a very famous and wealthy person. And I have kids. Some people threat me and I decide to go the police. FBI offered me to get into the witness protection program. They would give me and my family protection. First of, way before I start the hoax thing, I would send my kids to a secret secure place where they would be protected by FBI agents because of the protection program. And then I fake my death but I wouldn't involve noone to the fake death. And most importantly I would never ever leave any clues behind that prove I'm still alive. Because this is my life in danger and those people can anytime hurt my kids too, so it's also their lives in danger. So I would never leave any clues behind because those people can find them easily. And that would put my and my kids' lives in danger again. I fake my death and then leave and go to that secret safe place and keep on living with my kids until the police arrests those dangerous people. And if they can arrest them, I would come back to the public and tell that I'm alive still.
What Michael did was very opposite to this situation. He could send the kids to a safe place in the protection of FBI. And he left so many clues and the hoax sites and videos are all over. So those people already learned that he's still alive. And this put him and his kids's lives in danger. I don't believe that Michael would feel like when the kids are in front of the eyes, they can be protected. No, he would do something really important to protect them, he wouldn't put them in front of the eyes.
BUT this is my script of course and what I would do if I was Michael :D I don't know what Michael wrote for his script :)
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I believe MJ was in danger as well. Alot of people say he wouldnt fake his death cus he wouldnt do that to his kids....well HE WOULD do that to his kids...only to protect THEM. If these people who wanted MJ dead were serious, then they would be willing to kill anyone who stood in their way...including children. I know that sounds disturbing...and it is.....but think about it. MJ knew how dangerous these people were who wanted him dead and he knew they would stop at nothing to make him go away. Plant a car bomb designed for MJ only and the next time he gets in the car, its with his kids in tow to go shopping....turn the key and BOOM....all done. These people dont mess around. Im not kidding...MJ had a very good reason to be terrified.
A certain person on here said that MJ loved his children lots but he wouldnt love them to death.
That menas he loved them enough to leave them behind. To keep them safe and out of harms way. Even if it meant he may never see them again. He loved them THAT much.
He could leave them behind without showing their faces to the media. It doesn't make sense to me still. It's my opinion of course :)
Did you read the link I posted at 9:19am?
Yes I read it when it was first posted but I DO believe that those are Michael's kids and I don't believe that someone can sue them for parenting etc. :)
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Wonder why my post here was removed? Mo? Souza? :?: :?: :?:
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Wonder why my post here was removed? Mo? Souza? :?: :?: :?:
I just checked and I didnt see anything of yours deleted....what did it say?
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Ok thank you for the explaination :)
And you mean a trial that would find Murray not guilty? Because the contrary would be impossible to do I think lol
Otherwise well...I don't know, could be difficult to make it real but who knows... everything seem so fake for us but the other people actually believe it so ... ;) . Personally, If I were a non believer that would be not enough for me :x it may angers me more because it would be an homocide without a guilty ... it would even be more frustrating ...but it's just my opinion :roll:
Like q0txciityl0ve wrote it would be a "fake" trial but I don't know if they will find him guilty or not. Did you watch the vid of Murray's trial about his kid? It was fake too. There was some money on the table and on that money there was a face of Gilda :D That's the reason why I thought they could make another fake trial about the death case :D But hope they don't because that means that Michael is not coming back.
Yes I indeed saw it :) It could be plausible to do a "fake trial too yes... I was just saying that I didn't think it would be enough for me (if I believed Michael dead). But it would just be my personnal reaction that's all ^^
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I believe MJ was in danger as well. Alot of people say he wouldnt fake his death cus he wouldnt do that to his kids....well HE WOULD do that to his kids...only to protect THEM. If these people who wanted MJ dead were serious, then they would be willing to kill anyone who stood in their way...including children. I know that sounds disturbing...and it is.....but think about it. MJ knew how dangerous these people were who wanted him dead and he knew they would stop at nothing to make him go away. Plant a car bomb designed for MJ only and the next time he gets in the car, its with his kids in tow to go shopping....turn the key and BOOM....all done. These people dont mess around. Im not kidding...MJ had a very good reason to be terrified.
A certain person on here said that MJ loved his children lots but he wouldnt love them to death.
That menas he loved them enough to leave them behind. To keep them safe and out of harms way. Even if it meant he may never see them again. He loved them THAT much.
Sounds most believable for me. But that would mean: no comeback. But what about the disguises (Vid. Halloween with Liz and the kids etc.)? Ppl who wants to kill him are not stupidly. They can catch them, if he is going around in some disguises. Sorry, its difficult for me to explain in english what I mean.
Are completely in disorder with the thought now.
I dont need a comeback - if: YEAH! But I would like to know him well WITH his kids :(
But maybe you are right and they are separate for years.
Perhaps that is the reason why Paris looks mostly so badly, if it notices someone makes a photo.
What a sad/bad world :( :( :( :(
I understand what you mean. I suppose he would be okay to go out in disguises, but not all the time. I think his time with his children is very limited and very well thought out. He doesnt see them alot but when he does its in private with ALOT of security and privacy and not very often. When he HAS gone out in public, like on Halloween, then he makes sure there are alot of people around....like at Universal. But then again.....we dont really KNOW FOR SURE if it was him at Universal (I think it was)
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#3- THIS IS IT - 50 fucking shows, are you kidding me, Michael was 50 years old, i don't care how great he is, at 50 no one NO ONE can handle that many shows, and its bad enough that Michael wasn't sleeping, and he was taking drugs and mis using them, and YES he was being administered drugs weather you believe it or not , He also hadn't been eating right, anyone else notice how think he was in this is it, he claimed that was his regular dance weight, but it wasnt we grew up with him, he know that man has never been that thin, there fore on top of all that, they wanted him and expected him to do 50 shows??? are you kidding me, i don;t care how amazing he is, we know he can still dance at 50 but 50 shows is just to excessive, it's too much even for mj. He may have been fairly healthy which i believe he was, but thats too much for a 50 year old man to handle. So maybe this was the biggest reason, maybe Michael wanted to escape for a little while to get himself back together, you know, get over the drugs and fix his life and get back into the zone. Everybody needs time. and Maybe Michael wasn;t prepared for what was expected maybe he needed more time. I think within time he wil come back, but we as the fans need to show him that we still stand by him and that we love him & we want him to be happy, but most importantly we want him to be SAFE, and HEALTHY. we don;t want to lose him for real now do we? and if had gone on with the 50 shows in the state he was in. he could have died for real. there was too much pressure. So guys continue to beLIEve and stand by him, and when he is ready he shall thrill the world once more. But this time, he will be better than EVER. Shamone now , we all know he;s still got it he just has to find it Michael i love you, and i stand by you, get better, relax, take your time, i will wait patiently for you to come back to us, and i can;t wait until you thrill us all again <3 There's a reason he remains the king of pop <3 I Love you more
....I agree. That was just too much for anybody. I don't even think I could handle all of that and I am 35 years old.
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Ok thank you for the explaination :)
And you mean a trial that would find Murray not guilty? Because the contrary would be impossible to do I think lol
Otherwise well...I don't know, could be difficult to make it real but who knows... everything seem so fake for us but the other people actually believe it so ... ;) . Personally, If I were a non believer that would be not enough for me :x it may angers me more because it would be an homocide without a guilty ... it would even be more frustrating ...but it's just my opinion :roll:
Like q0txciityl0ve wrote it would be a "fake" trial but I don't know if they will find him guilty or not. Did you watch the vid of Murray's trial about his kid? It was fake too. There was some money on the table and on that money there was a face of Gilda :D That's the reason why I thought they could make another fake trial about the death case :D But hope they don't because that means that Michael is not coming back.
Yes I indeed saw it :) It could be plausible to do a "fake trial too yes... I was just saying that I didn't think it would be enough for me (if I believed Michael dead). But it would just be my personnal reaction that's all ^^
I know hon. It wouldn't be enough for me either. But it would be better if there was no any trial. Fans already started petititons to bring justice for Michael's death. That trial wouldn't satisfy them but still it would be better than nothing.
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Sounds most believable for me. But that would mean: no comeback. But what about the disguises (Vid. Halloween with Liz and the kids etc.)? Ppl who wants to kill him are not stupidly. They can catch them, if he is going around in some disguises. Sorry, its difficult for me to explain in english what I mean.
Are completely in disorder with the thought now.
I dont need a comeback - if: YEAH! But I would like to know him well WITH his kids :(
But maybe you are right and they are separate for years.
Perhaps that is the reason why Paris looks mostly so badly, if it notices someone makes a photo.
What a sad/bad world :( :( :( :(
I understand what you mean. I suppose he would be okay to go out in disguises, but not all the time. I think his time with his children is very limited and very well thought out. He doesnt see them alot but when he does its in private with ALOT of security and privacy and not very often. When he HAS gone out in public, like on Halloween, then he makes sure there are alot of people around....like at Universal. But then again.....we dont really KNOW FOR SURE if it was him at Universal (I think it was)[/quote]
I think what she tried to say was; if Michael is in danger how could he get out in disguises. His enemies can recognize him even if he's in a disguise. I don't know if I'm right but this is what I got from her post :)
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#3- THIS IS IT - 50 fucking shows, are you kidding me, Michael was 50 years old, i don't care how great he is, at 50 no one NO ONE can handle that many shows, and its bad enough that Michael wasn't sleeping, and he was taking drugs and mis using them, and YES he was being administered drugs weather you believe it or not , He also hadn't been eating right, anyone else notice how think he was in this is it, he claimed that was his regular dance weight, but it wasnt we grew up with him, he know that man has never been that thin, there fore on top of all that, they wanted him and expected him to do 50 shows??? are you kidding me, i don;t care how amazing he is, we know he can still dance at 50 but 50 shows is just to excessive, it's too much even for mj. He may have been fairly healthy which i believe he was, but thats too much for a 50 year old man to handle. So maybe this was the biggest reason, maybe Michael wanted to escape for a little while to get himself back together, you know, get over the drugs and fix his life and get back into the zone. Everybody needs time. and Maybe Michael wasn;t prepared for what was expected maybe he needed more time. I think within time he wil come back, but we as the fans need to show him that we still stand by him and that we love him & we want him to be happy, but most importantly we want him to be SAFE, and HEALTHY. we don;t want to lose him for real now do we? and if had gone on with the 50 shows in the state he was in. he could have died for real. there was too much pressure. So guys continue to beLIEve and stand by him, and when he is ready he shall thrill the world once more. But this time, he will be better than EVER. Shamone now , we all know he;s still got it he just has to find it Michael i love you, and i stand by you, get better, relax, take your time, i will wait patiently for you to come back to us, and i can;t wait until you thrill us all again <3 There's a reason he remains the king of pop <3 I Love you more
....I agree. That was just too much for anybody. I don't even think I could handle all of that and I am 35 years old.
It has been said that the fifty shows were going to be over sometthing like a 9 month period.
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#3- THIS IS IT - 50 fucking shows, are you kidding me, Michael was 50 years old, i don't care how great he is, at 50 no one NO ONE can handle that many shows, and its bad enough that Michael wasn't sleeping, and he was taking drugs and mis using them, and YES he was being administered drugs weather you believe it or not , He also hadn't been eating right, anyone else notice how think he was in this is it, he claimed that was his regular dance weight, but it wasnt we grew up with him, he know that man has never been that thin, there fore on top of all that, they wanted him and expected him to do 50 shows??? are you kidding me, i don;t care how amazing he is, we know he can still dance at 50 but 50 shows is just to excessive, it's too much even for mj. He may have been fairly healthy which i believe he was, but thats too much for a 50 year old man to handle. So maybe this was the biggest reason, maybe Michael wanted to escape for a little while to get himself back together, you know, get over the drugs and fix his life and get back into the zone. Everybody needs time. and Maybe Michael wasn;t prepared for what was expected maybe he needed more time. I think within time he wil come back, but we as the fans need to show him that we still stand by him and that we love him & we want him to be happy, but most importantly we want him to be SAFE, and HEALTHY. we don;t want to lose him for real now do we? and if had gone on with the 50 shows in the state he was in. he could have died for real. there was too much pressure. So guys continue to beLIEve and stand by him, and when he is ready he shall thrill the world once more. But this time, he will be better than EVER. Shamone now , we all know he;s still got it he just has to find it Michael i love you, and i stand by you, get better, relax, take your time, i will wait patiently for you to come back to us, and i can;t wait until you thrill us all again <3 There's a reason he remains the king of pop <3 I Love you more
....I agree. That was just too much for anybody. I don't even think I could handle all of that and I am 35 years old.
DISAGREE.. MADONNA does it and she is same age!!! She just done her Sticky and Sweet tour. (or whatever it was called. lol)
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Thanks Dancing! Madonna/50 Cher/like what 60? All his heros-Fred Astaire and Sammy were old men when they died and they still died legends(this is not directed at anybody post here) so I have never thought that age or health was the reason he did this. I would lean more to health before age.
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Michael.. if you are in harms way, then i will stand in front of you
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first of all michael was out of the public eye for awhile now...after the 2005 trial i havent heard much about him... i started hearing more about him after he announced his this is it concert lol...so why would he go public again and then hoax his death to get away from public and then come out and say "hello see i am peter pan, i'm back" and get back into the public eye...i think he personally hoaxed his death, not to get out of the public eye, but to get help with his problems and i think he is filming this whole hoax for a huge story on how he did it when he comes back ;)
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i think that in this case the cameras and paparazzi are on his side, they are protected for the public eye... if someone want to hurt this kids we are able to see this, because all the cameras they have around... just a thought! ;)
I agree.....it makes it harder for the people threatening him and his kids...if something were (god forbid), to ever happen to them its a case of all eyes on the killer i guess... But to me it is very feasible he was being threatened, it does not surprise me 8-)
Doc Murray, i dont know what to make of him... i mean the whole thing with him being mjs killer and not being locked up yet just baffles me, of course i believe in the hoax, but dont even the non-believers deem this to be tad bit odd?? :roll:
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first of all michael was out of the public eye for awhile now...after the 2005 trial i havent heard much about him... i started hearing more about him after he announced his this is it concert lol...so why would he go public again and then hoax his death to get away from public and then come out and say "hello see i am peter pan, i'm back" and get back into the public eye...i think he personally hoaxed his death, not to get out of the public eye, but to get help with his problems and i think he is filming this whole hoax for a huge story on how he did it when he comes back ;)
I don't know if he's filming the whole thing but I agree with you :)
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i think that in this case the cameras and paparazzi are on his side, they are protected for the public eye... if someone want to hurt this kids we are able to see this, because all the cameras they have around... just a thought! ;)
I agree.....it makes it harder for the people threatening him and his kids...if something were (god forbid), to ever happen to them its a case of all eyes on the killer i guess... But to me it is very feasible he was being threatened, it does not surprise me 8-)
Doc Murray, i dont know what to make of him... i mean the whole thing with him being mjs killer and not being locked up yet just baffles me, of course i believe in the hoax, but dont even the non-believers deem this to be tad bit odd?? :roll:
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If he thought the kids were under threat I'm pretty sure that he would have sent them to a secret location with the FBI protection. Paparazzi is not with the kids 24/7. And after showing their faces in public, it would too hard to protect them. And instead of trusting to media and public eye I think Michael would prefer to work with professionals and he would give the kids' security to FBI. He wouldn't take any risk for his kids.