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Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: michaelslady on May 28, 2014, 09:49:39 PM

Title: Is this Murray?
Post by: michaelslady on May 28, 2014, 09:49:39 PM
I'm not sure if it is. But it looks like him. I don't even remember where I found this pic. If so, why would he be in a pic with El Debarge (Janets ex bro in law) and Siedah Garrett? Is it just my eyes? ??? http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/michaelslady1/embed/slideshow/
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: Thriller4ever on May 29, 2014, 12:34:33 AM
where did you find this?
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: ~Souza~ on May 29, 2014, 04:05:05 AM
Looks a lot like him but sehf noticed the guy is too short to be Murray. Looks like he's tiny there compared to that other guy.
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: SEHF on May 29, 2014, 04:54:17 AM
The Facts of Life - The - Doo Wah episode

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj8VodNZzN8#t=1208

The 20 minute 8 second mark:
[youtube]Sj8VodNZzN8#t=1208[/youtube]
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: Thriller4ever on May 29, 2014, 05:16:27 AM
He sure does look like Conrad Murray and he looks quite tall to me in the video, but not as tall as 6'5"

btw that episode is season 7, episode 7.
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: suspicious mind on May 29, 2014, 06:50:41 AM
hummm but it is interesting when you consider that we have recently been presented murray and debarge together.
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: curls on May 29, 2014, 08:14:13 AM
He looks much too short.  I tried to find out his name but he doesn't appear to be listed in the cast of that episode on IMDb, probably because he doesn't have a speaking part.
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: michaelslady on May 29, 2014, 09:47:51 AM
True. He doesn't look that short to me in video. I never saw the video, thanks for posting. I think somebody sent me the pic on facebook. hmmm. And btw, how do we know that murray is 6'5? Can we really trust what we are told regarding anybodys height in all of this? We still can't get the right answer on MJ height. Ladies I really need you to help analyze this if you think this is Murray. The more I spend time with all the brilliant minds on here, I am learning to observe things better. But sometimes I miss an important detail. Season 7, Episode 7? Coincidence. I don't think so  :Pulling_hair:
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 29, 2014, 10:02:00 AM

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/screenede.png)



(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/cmzps87ffc.jpg)
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: michaelslady on May 29, 2014, 10:07:45 AM
had to throw this in there for laughs. but this is interesting. isn't that little boy mackenzie astin? don't forget that his mom Patty Duke Astin, starred in her own show in the 50s, the Patty Duke Show. I loved watching the reruns as a kid. In the show she played the role of twins/identical cousins. from Wikipedia about the show:

Patty Lane (Duke) is a normal, chatty, rambunctious teenager living in the Brooklyn Heights section of New York City; her father is the managing editor of the New York Daily Chronicle. In the unaired pilot episode, her "identical cousin," the sophisticated, brainy and demure Cathy Lane (also played by Duke), whose father also works for the Chronicle as a foreign correspondent, arrives in the United States from Scotland to live with Patty's family and attend school. While both girls are identical in physical appearance, their style, tastes, and attitudes are nearly opposite, which is responsible for most of the comedic situations on the show.

The remarkable physical resemblance that Patty and Cathy Lane share is explained by the fact that their fathers are identical twins. While Patty speaks with a typical American accent, Cathy speaks with a slight Scottish accent; not surprisingly however, both cousins are able to mimic each other's voice. Patty and Cathy also have a doppleganger in a distant cousin, the southern belle Betsy, who visits from Chattanooga, Tennessee. Also identical, cousin Betsy is also played by Duke and seen only in the second season episode, "The Perfect Hostess."


 :WTF: is MJ trying to tell us something?
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: Thriller4ever on May 29, 2014, 10:10:12 AM
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True. He doesn't look that short to me in video. I never saw the video, thanks for posting. I think somebody sent me the pic on facebook. hmmm. And btw, how do we know that murray is 6'5? Can we really trust what we are told regarding anybodys height in all of this? We still can't get the right answer on MJ height. Ladies I really need you to help analyze this if you think this is Murray. The more I spend time with all the brilliant minds on here, I am learning to observe things better. But sometimes I miss an important detail. Season 7, Episode 7? Coincidence. I don't think so  :Pulling_hair:

I only knew Murray was 6 feet +, so I googled and various websites said 6'5", he sure isn't shorter than that.

 Michael's height is 5'10"/5'11"
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: bec on May 29, 2014, 10:58:27 AM
Not him.
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: blankie on May 29, 2014, 03:44:56 PM
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Not him.

Agree, Murray is big  :icon_e_confused: this is little ...
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: michaelslady on June 01, 2014, 10:55:14 AM
what I did notice in the side by side comparison pics above, he seems to have a "double bag" under the left eye on both pics. coincidence that both men have similar feature like this? I think not. besides this was a what a 20+ year difference in pics.
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: whatyourheartsays on June 01, 2014, 03:49:39 PM
i showed the video to my bf who is very gifted to recognise people : he said it could be the same person, but he said he wouldn't be surprised that someone would have a small acting job for money. Do we have the name of this actor ?  Can he be spotted in other movies ? Do we know what Murray actually did when he was young ?

Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: suspicious mind on June 01, 2014, 08:39:19 PM
were they possibly debarge's real security ?
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: MJonmind on June 02, 2014, 05:44:55 AM
Quote
IMBd
Conrad Murray
Biography
Mini Bio (1)
Conrad Murray is an actor, known for 24 Hour Party People (2002).

http://julia142.fullforums.org/t745-il-est-ou-conrad
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0416694/

CM's height could be attained by illusion, much as the hobbits and Gandalf in the Lord of the Rings.

CM and El deBarge out for lunch.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2014/03/26/0325-conrad-murray-npg-4.jpg)

I'm thinking MJ could sometimes be disguised as Murray.
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: suspicious mind on June 02, 2014, 11:03:51 AM
 :-[wanted to make a point but in a somewhat strange way. my husband just today showed me a pic of a table saw that was on e-bay. the way the person took the pic made this thing look huge compared to what the actual size was. just sayin'  do we have anything to go on about murray's size outside of what he said it was ( not under oath) and in pics up side of the one lawyer of his ( can't come up with the name right now).remembering just how tall michael looked  upside frank d.
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: mattie on June 02, 2014, 11:16:47 AM
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:-[wanted to make a point but in a somewhat strange way. my husband just today showed me a pic of a table saw that was on e-bay. the way the person took the pic made this thing look huge compared to what the actual size was. just sayin'  do we have anything to go on about murray's size outside of what he said it was ( not under oath) and in pics up side of the one lawyer of his ( can't come up with the name right now).remembering just how tall michael looked  upside frank d.

Look at the pictures of Murray and de Barge above here.
young de Barge and ,,Murray are almost the same size,..Than older de Barge and Murray..Here is Murray much taller.
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: suspicious mind on June 02, 2014, 02:09:48 PM
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Quote
IMBd
Conrad Murray
Biography
Mini Bio (1)
Conrad Murray is an actor, known for 24 Hour Party People (2002).

http://julia142.fullforums.org/t745-il-est-ou-conrad
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0416694/

CM's height could be attained by illusion, much as the hobbits and Gandalf in the Lord of the Rings.

CM and El deBarge out for lunch.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2014/03/26/0325-conrad-murray-npg-4.jpg)

I'm thinking MJ could sometimes be disguised as Murray.

this pic takes my mind to those crazy places where i think i need to did my jacket out. murray makes me think of jermaine and debarge makes me think of the one pic of michael coming out of court where it looks like the wind is about to blow a wig off.  :-[
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: michaelslady on June 02, 2014, 08:28:01 PM
Just wanted to point out that the guy in the pic that I posted originally is El Debarge. The pic that somebody posted with Murray walking outside with his girlfriend, that guy with him is James Debarge. Those are 2 different brothers. Besides El Debarge is much more cuter than James lol
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: RK on June 02, 2014, 08:43:59 PM
Was it James who was married to Janet and who had the drug problem?
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: michaelslady on June 02, 2014, 08:48:40 PM
yes Janet was married to James. Weird that he supposedly shared a jail cell with Murray
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: MJonmind on June 03, 2014, 04:08:54 AM
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Just wanted to point out that the guy in the pic that I posted originally is El Debarge. The pic that somebody posted with Murray walking outside with his girlfriend, that guy with him is James Debarge. Those are 2 different brothers. Besides El Debarge is much more cuter than James lol
lol It gets a little confusing between El and James.

And James is the one who MJ talked out of suicide. http://www.essence.com/2011/09/20/james-debarge-michael-jackson-saved-my-life/
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: applehead250609 on June 04, 2014, 10:06:19 AM
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I'm not sure if it is. But it looks like him. I don't even remember where I found this pic. If so, why would he be in a pic with El Debarge (Janets ex bro in law) and Siedah Garrett? Is it just my eyes? ??? http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/michaelslady1/embed/slideshow/

What about him,her and another one......Quincy anoing Jones lol  :icon_lol: ?? BTW this one is from 2002 apparently  .......rare & obscure music :icon_rolleyes: .

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSa59Cbc3tM[/youtube]

Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: MJonmind on June 04, 2014, 09:51:25 PM
So glad they didn't stick shots of Quincy into Thriller or Bad. lol
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: michaelslady on June 06, 2014, 12:32:50 AM
Ikr? Nobody wants to see Quincy lol
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: michaelslady on July 11, 2014, 09:47:34 PM
I have still been thinking on this since I posted it the first time. im still trying to find how this ties in. anyone else care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: michaelslady on August 27, 2014, 10:05:37 PM
wow. I never heard this song or knew anything about it. things just seem to get stranger by the day. sometimes I think Murray is the key to it all but then again I wonder what his role is exactly in all of this. sometimes I think we may never know.

Btw, has anyone ever seen an actual video of murray walking? or just pics? maybe that's why he didn't stand in court for the verdict. idk. somebody please correct me if im wrong
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: suspicious mind on August 28, 2014, 01:07:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGZLRSziHfo


this is kind of short

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHrKJSHjSHs

Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: michaelslady on September 23, 2014, 12:04:27 AM
@ SEHF, we got a troll. Somebodys watching. Remember that video that you posted earlier in this thread from youtube? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj8VodNZzN8#t=1208

Well, well, well. It has now been removed/blocked by Sony. Claiming copyright issue. Hmmm. Wonder why it was removed? Did someone not want us to see something.  :TongueOutSmiley:

The video is not anywhere else online now. this is all the info that I could find http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0575333/?ref_=ttep_ep7 :th_bravo:
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: curls on September 23, 2014, 02:21:29 AM
^^^  I don't know the ins and outs of YouTube but it does seem strange how the vid can sit there for a year (it was put on YouTube in May 2013) no problem, then as soon as someone (we) watch it, it gets blocked by Sony! Probably not strange at all, probably that's exactly how it works!

IF I was to think hoaxily, which I don't in this case, I'd say rather than 'someone not wanting us to see something', it's a case of we HAVE seen something, that was intentionally put out there for us to find, and now that we have, let's get it off before it becomes common knowledge!  But like I say, I don't think there's anything fishy going on - it's most likely just the workings of YouTube.

EDIT (a few hours later) - What IS odd is that all the other episodes of Facts of life posted by that person have all been blocked too, but are still on their list of videos ... but not Doo Wah!  That one has been wiped completely!  And other people/other episodes are still up and running - they haven't been blocked so if Sony/YouTube were that concerned about copyright or whatever they haven't done a very good job of cleaning up!

Could anyone here with experience of posting/deleting YouTube vids throw any light on this?
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: friendlikeme81 on September 23, 2014, 08:09:44 AM
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Could anyone here with experience of posting/deleting YouTube vids throw any light on this?

I cannot throw any light on this, but I remember well a probably similiar case back in 2010 when the American version of an episode of "The Bold and the Beautiful" with Dave Dave vanished from youtube. Shortly before I have been watching it over and over again to catch Dave's voice and compare it to MJ, but this certain episode was suddenly deleted. There still remained a German  version, but Dave's original voice was gone.
I remember thinking how fishy this was back then, as if someone didn't want me to do this comparison, as if it wasn't planned this way and as if someone wanted me/us to stop digging into this.   
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: michaelslady on September 24, 2014, 09:21:38 PM
@friendlikeme81 and curls, yes this is all sooooo weird and fishy. I was thinking that someone wanted us to see it, got nervous when we did, and removed it. Or someone didn't want us to see it at all. This could work either way. Problem is, in this case, you don't know who is at work here. Wonder who it was that posted that video on youtube to begin with? Wonder who was it that made sure it was removed? Is someone lurking here?  :WTF:
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: MJonmind on September 25, 2014, 12:49:28 AM
OTOH, many times when a clue is given out, once they (MJ &crew) realize we have it, the source is removed. So it is there as an easter egg waiting to be found. Going with the possible partial ARG purpose, that may be how slippery playing this, can be. We have the clues, but they are buried in mountains of archives like needles in haystacks, only retrievable by hoaxers in forum by searches, and personal files.
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: diggyon on September 25, 2014, 03:35:31 AM
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OTOH, many times when a clue is given out, once they (MJ &crew) realize we have it, the source is removed. So it is there as an easter egg waiting to be found. Going with the possible partial ARG purpose, that may be how slippery playing this, can be. We have the clues, but they are buried in mountains of archives like needles in haystacks, only retrievable by hoaxers in forum by searches, and personal files.

I wonder how many clues are still hidden in haystacks!! I hope we didn't miss any of them!
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: suspicious mind on September 25, 2014, 08:59:33 AM
umm forgive me if i was asleep , but what exactly did we find in that clip?  :-[ :Pulling_hair: :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: michaelslady on September 25, 2014, 10:19:49 PM
@suspiciousminds, please see page 1 of this thread. see the pic I posted originally. the pic was related to the video.
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: iamhere4mj on September 25, 2014, 11:28:02 PM
I watched the video when it was available and noticed something.

At the end of the show there is a TALL guy with a camera - he is taking pics of everyone after they win. You can't see the guys face, but this guy is TALL.

I took some print shots but can't seem to locate them on my computer; I'll keep looking.

If nothing else, I guess I can buy that season and then we'll know for sure!  :icon_razz:


Love you Michael!
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: michaelslady on September 26, 2014, 01:01:08 AM
please post the pics here if you find them  :icon_bounce:
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: iamhere4mj on September 27, 2014, 10:34:04 PM
I found a link with the video, but when I click to play it I get this message:

The requested video is not allowed to be played in embedded players.

Does anyone know what this means and can anyone get this video to play?

Here is the link:

http://phimvideo.org/facts-of-life-the-doo-wah.hJtph6CVf4urf2k.html

Love you Michael!
Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: LUNA on September 28, 2014, 06:07:22 AM
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I found a link with the video, but when I click to play it I get this message:

The requested video is not allowed to be played in embedded players.

Does anyone know what this means and can anyone get this video to play?

Here is the link:

http://phimvideo.org/facts-of-life-the-doo-wah.hJtph6CVf4urf2k.html

Love you Michael!



nothing.... "the webpage is not available" (here in jermany)

*LUNA*




Title: Re: Is this Murray?
Post by: michaelslady on September 28, 2014, 04:49:38 PM
@ LUNA, the vid wont play here in the US either  :th_bravo:
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