Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Hoax Pictures => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on April 05, 2014, 02:03:34 PM
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Yesssss, I know it has been discussed a million times, but it is so interesting! Here is another brain teaser:
KO is taller than TP:
(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Kenny+Ortega+Travis+Payne+Premiere+Sony+Pictures+ljQLOPDX8Jkl.jpg)
TP is taller than MJ:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/rfrewtrewt.jpg)
MJ and KO are same height:
(http://en.michaeljackson.ro/photo/michael-meets-and-has-dinner-with-kenny-ortega-simon-fuller-and-robin-leach(281)-m-2.jpg)
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There must be 2 KOs! LOL!
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In this pic, MJ is slightly shorter than KO because his wig is about a couple of inches higher than the top of his head
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In this pic, MJ is slightly shorter than KO because his wig is about a couple of inches higher than the top of his head
Slightly, yes. Not a lot as the pics above it would make you think.
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There must be 2 KOs! LOL!
:icon_razz: :icon_bounce:
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High heels?
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High heels?
I was waiting for that one
No too easy.
There are two MJ..to many diference in Height in mannerism and appearance. My opinion ofcource!
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what was the comment from Liberian Girl? exactly which michael jackson are we talking about (that might not be the exact quote)? ummm does that necessarily have to imply just two? i have begun to think in terms of at least a few.
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what was the comment from Liberian Girl? exactly which michael jackson are we talking about (that might not be the exact quote)? ummm does that necessarily have to imply just two? i have begun to think in terms of at least a few.
Agree..could be more than two..but at least two. ;D
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Yesssss, I know it has been discussed a million times, but it is so interesting! Here is another brain teaser:
KO is taller than TP:
(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Kenny+Ortega+Travis+Payne+Premiere+Sony+Pictures+ljQLOPDX8Jkl.jpg)
TP is taller than MJ:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/rfrewtrewt.jpg)
MJ and KO are same height:
(http://en.michaeljackson.ro/photo/michael-meets-and-has-dinner-with-kenny-ortega-simon-fuller-and-robin-leach(281)-m-2.jpg)
Hard to say, we should see the position of the feet (of course, unfortunate pose TP, or hand :icon_lol: )
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I wish i could express myself better in telling my toughts about this. but in English this is verry difficult for me.(verry sorry about that)
High heels,and lightning etc are not enough for me..too easy
It does not explain all the difference.
Going back and forward in appearance and mannerism like i have seen a lot is only possible if there is more than one Michael. IMO
I think it is really a pitty that there is no more investigation in this..in the why and how.
Maybe it would explain al lot,or even is the key to solve the puzzle.
But there is a lot resistance to the idea,and i dont really understand why?..And i think this stands in the way of investigating this.
What would be so bad if Michael choose this path for whatever reason??
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MJ's true height has always seemed a mystery. I don't think there are 2 (or more) MJ's, just the one. Doubles used for distractions, yes, but only one actual MJ. The height thing could be as simple as lifts in shoes, as suggested before. Not only lifts in MJ's shoes but also others, like KO or TP or whoever else. Wear them one day, not another - differences in height. Might be a simple explanation but why over-complicate it?
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MJ's true height has always seemed a mystery. I don't think there are 2 (or more) MJ's, just the one. Doubles used for distractions, yes, but only one actual MJ. The height thing could be as simple as lifts in shoes, as suggested before. Not only lifts in MJ's shoes but also others, like KO or TP or whoever else. Wear them one day, not another - differences in height. Might be a simple explanation but why over-complicate it?
This is what i mend. :icon_neutral:
Right away it is dismissed.
Like i said for me the explanation of high heels for everybody is too easy..and wen i try to tell it fascinates me, i over complicate?
That is shutting the discussion before it starts.
There is so much more than high heels.
I am not saying i am right,just looke at the posibillity..and if i am wrong i wil be the first to say so.
But your explanation does not change my mind.
But it is a no go area i understand,and i wont bring it up again.
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I see what you're saying mattie and I'm not dismissing anything. I was just sharing my opinion, doesn't mean I'm right.
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Mattie, it's not a no go area. We've had several threads discussing the possibility of 2 MJs. I started one myself not long ago. Just because not everyone (me included) agrees doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't talk about it if you want to. It is a fascinating idea!
All I personally would disagree with in your comments above, is that I don't think 'more than one MJ' is the only possible explanation for the differences we've witnessed over the years.
And your English is just fine, so no worries there!
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MJ's true height has always seemed a mystery. I don't think there are 2 (or more) MJ's, just the one. Doubles used for distractions, yes, but only one actual MJ. The height thing could be as simple as lifts in shoes, as suggested before. Not only lifts in MJ's shoes but also others, like KO or TP or whoever else. Wear them one day, not another - differences in height. Might be a simple explanation but why over-complicate it?
Agree.
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Mattie, it's not a no go area. We've had several threads discussing the possibility of 2 MJs. I started one myself not long ago. Just because not everyone (me included) agrees doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't talk about it if you want to. It is a fascinating idea!
All I personally would disagree with in your comments above, is that I don't think 'more than one MJ' is the only possible explanation for the differences we've witnessed over the years.
And your English is just fine, so no worries there!
I dont say/mean it is the only possible explanation(thats my problem in expressing myself)but until now nobody came with a better/evidence explanation for me.
For me, all the difference can not be explaned away with high heels/make up and lightning..and that is the only answer you get and you have to be okay with..most members resist any idea of more than one MJ and dont want to dig deeper
But for me something else is going on..and if i could i would investigate this..But unfortunaly my English is not good enough!
Thats what i think is a missed change.
But i dont overreact/overcomplicate and can let go!
So be it.
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Mattie, have you read this thread http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24098.0.html ?
I (and others) posted alternative possibilities in there, if you're interested.
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Mattie, it's not a no go area. We've had several threads discussing the possibility of 2 MJs. I started one myself not long ago. Just because not everyone (me included) agrees doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't talk about it if you want to. It is a fascinating idea!
All I personally would disagree with in your comments above, is that I don't think 'more than one MJ' is the only possible explanation for the differences we've witnessed over the years.
And your English is just fine, so no worries there!
I dont say/mean it is the only possible explanation(thats my problem in expressing myself)but until now nobody came with a better/evidence explanation for me.
For me, all the difference can not be explaned away with high heels/make up and lightning..and that is the only answer you get and you have to be okay with..most members resist any idea of more than one MJ and dont want to dig deeper
But for me something else is going on..and if i could i would investigate this..But unfortunaly my English is not good enough!
Thats what i think is a missed change.
But i dont overreact/overcomplicate and can let go!
So be it.
if u are TRULY curious about something u owe it to urself to check it out ( self gratification). maybe u can find something in ur native tongue on it. afterwards should u care to share, just throw it out there. i agree ur english is fine.
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what was the comment from Liberian Girl? exactly which michael jackson are we talking about (that might not be the exact quote)? ummm does that necessarily have to imply just two? i have begun to think in terms of at least a few.
Suspicious ,my alternative to a few is: none :icon_geek: :thjajaja121: :LolLolLolLol: !!!!
Privacy:
"There is Michael Jackson
That ain't none Michael Jackson
....."
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Mattie, it's not a no go area. We've had several threads discussing the possibility of 2 MJs. I started one myself not long ago. Just because not everyone (me included) agrees doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't talk about it if you want to. It is a fascinating idea!
All I personally would disagree with in your comments above, is that I don't think 'more than one MJ' is the only possible explanation for the differences we've witnessed over the years.
And your English is just fine, so no worries there!
I dont say/mean it is the only possible explanation(thats my problem in expressing myself)but until now nobody came with a better/evidence explanation for me.
For me, all the difference can not be explaned away with high heels/make up and lightning..and that is the only answer you get and you have to be okay with..most members resist any idea of more than one MJ and dont want to dig deeper
But for me something else is going on..and if i could i would investigate this..But unfortunaly my English is not good enough!
Thats what i think is a missed change.
But i dont overreact/overcomplicate and can let go!
So be it.
if u are TRULY curious about something u owe it to urself to check it out ( self gratification). maybe u can find something in ur native tongue on it. afterwards should u care to share, just throw it out there. i agree ur english is fine.
Dont you think i tried that?? In my native tongue there is nothing of interest.
And wen i speak about it they make fun of me.
In the English laguage wen it gets difficult i have problems in understandig so i can not find my way further.
It is not that simpel for me,you dont know how much time it takes for me to write this.
A lot of words i have to looke up before writing..And translater is no option because i can not read my own words anymore wen i use that.
But it is okay..i keep on reading and maybe one day :icon_e_smile:
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Mattie, have you read this thread http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24098.0.html ?
I (and others) posted alternative possibilities in there, if you're interested.
Hello Curls..Thank you.
I wil looke it up again,but i am positive i read it already many times.
I dont post much,but i am here from the verry beginning in 2009 on the forum from(was it amy?)
So i read everything,especially the toughts from you and others i do like to read.
Some are verry good in investigating what i mis too here nowadays.
:)
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what was the comment from Liberian Girl? exactly which michael jackson are we talking about (that might not be the exact quote)? ummm does that necessarily have to imply just two? i have begun to think in terms of at least a few.
Suspicious ,my alternative to a few is: none :icon_geek: :thjajaja121: :LolLolLolLol: !!!!
Privacy:
"There is Michael Jackson
That ain't none Michael Jackson
....."
:-[ sorry you totally lost me
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Actually i don't believe that there are 2 MJ's but I'm open to any new theory because I'm a beLIEver since 2009. But in order to convince people with such a theory there must be good evidence. May be we should start a new thread where we can post all the pro's and contra's and see what we will discover at the end. May be it's time to put our investigation glasse on again! 8)
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Actually i don't believe that there are 2 MJ's but I'm open to any new theory because I'm a beLIEver since 2009. But in order to convince people with such a theory there must be good evidence. May be we should start a new thread where we can post all the pro's and contra's and see what we will discover at the end. May be it's time to put our investigation glasse on again! 8)
I would like that verry much.. good idea..i hope more think so
Thank You :)
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Why don't you just carry on in the thread I linked to a few posts back?
... or carry on here! They're the same subject really!
Bottom line for me: I think the concept of 2 MJs is interesting and kind of exciting but I need to see something really convincing, which I haven't as yet, and in reality, I don't think such a thing exists. In the end, unless they're both coming back, together, side by side, it doesn't make much difference anyway ... just one more thing we'll never be certain about regarding Mr I'm So Mysterious Jackson!
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Mattie, it's not a no go area. We've had several threads discussing the possibility of 2 MJs. I started one myself not long ago. Just because not everyone (me included) agrees doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't talk about it if you want to. It is a fascinating idea!
All I personally would disagree with in your comments above, is that I don't think 'more than one MJ' is the only possible explanation for the differences we've witnessed over the years.
And your English is just fine, so no worries there!
I dont say/mean it is the only possible explanation(thats my problem in expressing myself)but until now nobody came with a better/evidence explanation for me.
For me, all the difference can not be explaned away with high heels/make up and lightning..and that is the only answer you get and you have to be okay with..most members resist any idea of more than one MJ and dont want to dig deeper
But for me something else is going on..and if i could i would investigate this..But unfortunaly my English is not good enough!
Thats what i think is a missed change.
But i dont overreact/overcomplicate and can let go!
So be it.
if u are TRULY curious about something u owe it to urself to check it out ( self gratification). maybe u can find something in ur native tongue on it. afterwards should u care to share, just throw it out there. i agree ur english is fine.
Dont you think i tried that?? In my native tongue there is nothing of interest.
And wen i speak about it they make fun of me.
In the English laguage wen it gets difficult i have problems in understandig so i can not find my way further.
It is not that simpel for me,you dont know how much time it takes for me to write this.
A lot of words i have to looke up before writing..And translater is no option because i can not read my own words anymore wen i use that.
But it is okay..i keep on reading and maybe one day :icon_e_smile:
to say- don't u think i've tried that :icon_e_surprised: can be considered abrasive. which will put someone in a defensive mode, which is where i was about to go, with a reply of "excuse the hell out of me". but i remembered english isn't ur first language. it's best to say i've tried that. good luck on that which u seek
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Mattie, it's not a no go area. We've had several threads discussing the possibility of 2 MJs. I started one myself not long ago. Just because not everyone (me included) agrees doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't talk about it if you want to. It is a fascinating idea!
All I personally would disagree with in your comments above, is that I don't think 'more than one MJ' is the only possible explanation for the differences we've witnessed over the years.
And your English is just fine, so no worries there!
I dont say/mean it is the only possible explanation(thats my problem in expressing myself)but until now nobody came with a better/evidence explanation for me.
For me, all the difference can not be explaned away with high heels/make up and lightning..and that is the only answer you get and you have to be okay with..most members resist any idea of more than one MJ and dont want to dig deeper
But for me something else is going on..and if i could i would investigate this..But unfortunaly my English is not good enough!
Thats what i think is a missed change.
But i dont overreact/overcomplicate and can let go!
So be it.
if u are TRULY curious about something u owe it to urself to check it out ( self gratification). maybe u can find something in ur native tongue on it. afterwards should u care to share, just throw it out there. i agree ur english is fine.
Dont you think i tried that?? In my native tongue there is nothing of interest.
And wen i speak about it they make fun of me.
In the English laguage wen it gets difficult i have problems in understandig so i can not find my way further.
It is not that simpel for me,you dont know how much time it takes for me to write this.
A lot of words i have to looke up before writing..And translater is no option because i can not read my own words anymore wen i use that.
But it is okay..i keep on reading and maybe one day :icon_e_smile:
to say- don't u think i've tried that :icon_e_surprised: can be considered abrasive. which will put someone in a defensive mode, which is where i was about to go, with a reply of "excuse the hell out of me". but i remembered english isn't ur first language. it's best to say i've tried that. good luck on that which u seek
See!! here it comes :( In my language it is a normal thing to say.
That is why i never post much,because the problems of expressing myself.
Not everybody is understanding.
Maybe my Englisch is fine for basic things..but wen it goes deeper i get these problems.
This also keeps me from investigating.
Better i just keep reading like i did for lmost 5 years now :icon_e_surprised: Haha
But thank you for your understanding.
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Hey Mattie, please don't stop posting! I would've said it in the same way as you did! You're right, in our language it's a very normal question/expression, in an almost desperate kind of way. Surely not offensive at all! I'm sure the members over here will take this into account!
About the two MJ's: one would think there must be two, he looked so 'off' sometimes that I thought: that cannot be him! But then again the voice seems to be his! Also the difference in hight is obvious. But like Curls once noticed: that frown between his eyes is very prominent and he had that during his whole performing life. It's very charateristic for him. But in the Bashir interview he looked like a different MJ. Also the Michael Joe and the Michael Joseph could be an indication. And the 'Always nice to sing with my brother' on the This is It cd cover. I don't know if we will ever find out the truth. Here is another link from the archive of MJDHI about the double theory.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=8453
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What i've always wondered about was what Katherine was saying in an interview after Michael passed away. She said 'I've never lost a child'. I immediately thought: what about Brandon?
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and it we believe that michael was dave dave on larry king then what could he have meant by i changed my name to exscape my father's criminality ? and sealed birth records of the family. :WTF: too many things to not at least wonder.
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Mattie, it's not a no go area. We've had several threads discussing the possibility of 2 MJs. I started one myself not long ago. Just because not everyone (me included) agrees doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't talk about it if you want to. It is a fascinating idea!
All I personally would disagree with in your comments above, is that I don't think 'more than one MJ' is the only possible explanation for the differences we've witnessed over the years.
And your English is just fine, so no worries there!
I dont say/mean it is the only possible explanation(thats my problem in expressing myself)but until now nobody came with a better/evidence explanation for me.
For me, all the difference can not be explaned away with high heels/make up and lightning..and that is the only answer you get and you have to be okay with..most members resist any idea of more than one MJ and dont want to dig deeper
But for me something else is going on..and if i could i would investigate this..But unfortunaly my English is not good enough!
Thats what i think is a missed change.
But i dont overreact/overcomplicate and can let go!
So be it.
if u are TRULY curious about something u owe it to urself to check it out ( self gratification). maybe u can find something in ur native tongue on it. afterwards should u care to share, just throw it out there. i agree ur english is fine.
Dont you think i tried that?? In my native tongue there is nothing of interest.
And wen i speak about it they make fun of me.
In the English laguage wen it gets difficult i have problems in understandig so i can not find my way further.
It is not that simpel for me,you dont know how much time it takes for me to write this.
A lot of words i have to looke up before writing..And translater is no option because i can not read my own words anymore wen i use that.
But it is okay..i keep on reading and maybe one day :icon_e_smile:
to say- don't u think i've tried that :icon_e_surprised: can be considered abrasive. which will put someone in a defensive mode, which is where i was about to go, with a reply of "excuse the hell out of me". but i remembered english isn't ur first language. it's best to say i've tried that. good luck on that which u seek
See!! here it comes :( In my language it is a normal thing to say.
That is why i never post much,because the problems of expressing myself.
Not everybody is understanding.
Maybe my Englisch is fine for basic things..but wen it goes deeper i get these problems.
This also keeps me from investigating.
Better i just keep reading like i did for lmost 5 years now :icon_e_surprised: Haha
But thank you for your understanding.
i don't want to make u feel bad & not express ur thoughts & opinions. true there are differences in languages and how what said is interpreted, but i also have to apologize. thru written communication u can't see a persons face or hear their tone in the voice, if wrong, sorry. hope u keep posting and find what u r looking for.
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Mattie, have you read this thread http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24098.0.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24098.0.html) ?
I (and others) posted alternative possibilities in there, if you're interested.
When I saw HOP I sensed a Moonwalker familiarity. With Fred O'Hare(Astaire) and EB (MJ), it seemed very hoax related but maybe it was just my delusions about what I think I can see and hear with the number of M. J.'s that fed into that perception.
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As you get older, a lot of people start to lose some of the height. Plus MJ was either in heels or his famous loafers. But, of course, when it comes to MJ...anything is possible! :moonwalk_:
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In my opinion there are 2 Michaels, but everything is possible. :icon_neutral:
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As you get older, a lot of people start to lose some of the height. Plus MJ was either in heels or his famous loafers. But, of course, when it comes to MJ...anything is possible! :moonwalk_:
Yes you can become 10 cm(is inch ?) shorter than wen you were young.
But not going back and forth in height trough the years.
:icon_question:
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Mattie, it's not a no go area. We've had several threads discussing the possibility of 2 MJs. I started one myself not long ago. Just because not everyone (me included) agrees doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't talk about it if you want to. It is a fascinating idea!
All I personally would disagree with in your comments above, is that I don't think 'more than one MJ' is the only possible explanation for the differences we've witnessed over the years.
And your English is just fine, so no worries there!
I dont say/mean it is the only possible explanation(thats my problem in expressing myself)but until now nobody came with a better/evidence explanation for me.
For me, all the difference can not be explaned away with high heels/make up and lightning..and that is the only answer you get and you have to be okay with..most members resist any idea of more than one MJ and dont want to dig deeper
But for me something else is going on..and if i could i would investigate this..But unfortunaly my English is not good enough!
Thats what i think is a missed change.
But i dont overreact/overcomplicate and can let go!
So be it.
if u are TRULY curious about something u owe it to urself to check it out ( self gratification). maybe u can find something in ur native tongue on it. afterwards should u care to share, just throw it out there. i agree ur english is fine.
Dont you think i tried that?? In my native tongue there is nothing of interest.
And wen i speak about it they make fun of me.
In the English laguage wen it gets difficult i have problems in understandig so i can not find my way further.
It is not that simpel for me,you dont know how much time it takes for me to write this.
A lot of words i have to looke up before writing..And translater is no option because i can not read my own words anymore wen i use that.
But it is okay..i keep on reading and maybe one day :icon_e_smile:
to say- don't u think i've tried that :icon_e_surprised: can be considered abrasive. which will put someone in a defensive mode, which is where i was about to go, with a reply of "excuse the hell out of me". but i remembered english isn't ur first language. it's best to say i've tried that. good luck on that which u seek
See!! here it comes :( In my language it is a normal thing to say.
That is why i never post much,because the problems of expressing myself.
Not everybody is understanding.
Maybe my Englisch is fine for basic things..but wen it goes deeper i get these problems.
This also keeps me from investigating.
Better i just keep reading like i did for lmost 5 years now :icon_e_surprised: Haha
But thank you for your understanding.
i don't want to make u feel bad & not express ur thoughts & opinions. true there are differences in languages and how what said is interpreted, but i also have to apologize. thru written communication u can't see a persons face or hear their tone in the voice, if wrong, sorry. hope u keep posting and find what u r looking for.
No hard feelings. :smiley_abuv:
But i is what i have to think about al the time.
Do i say this correct,does it come over different ?..It takes so much extra time :icon_redface:
And wen i want to respond to something,i think better leave it because of those reasons.
:icon_e_smile:
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Mattie, it's not a no go area. We've had several threads discussing the possibility of 2 MJs. I started one myself not long ago. Just because not everyone (me included) agrees doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't talk about it if you want to. It is a fascinating idea!
All I personally would disagree with in your comments above, is that I don't think 'more than one MJ' is the only possible explanation for the differences we've witnessed over the years.
And your English is just fine, so no worries there!
I dont say/mean it is the only possible explanation(thats my problem in expressing myself)but until now nobody came with a better/evidence explanation for me.
For me, all the difference can not be explaned away with high heels/make up and lightning..and that is the only answer you get and you have to be okay with..most members resist any idea of more than one MJ and dont want to dig deeper
But for me something else is going on..and if i could i would investigate this..But unfortunaly my English is not good enough!
Thats what i think is a missed change.
But i dont overreact/overcomplicate and can let go!
So be it.
if u are TRULY curious about something u owe it to urself to check it out ( self gratification). maybe u can find something in ur native tongue on it. afterwards should u care to share, just throw it out there. i agree ur english is fine.
Dont you think i tried that?? In my native tongue there is nothing of interest.
And wen i speak about it they make fun of me.
In the English laguage wen it gets difficult i have problems in understandig so i can not find my way further.
It is not that simpel for me,you dont know how much time it takes for me to write this.
A lot of words i have to looke up before writing..And translater is no option because i can not read my own words anymore wen i use that.
But it is okay..i keep on reading and maybe one day :icon_e_smile:
to say- don't u think i've tried that :icon_e_surprised: can be considered abrasive. which will put someone in a defensive mode, which is where i was about to go, with a reply of "excuse the hell out of me". but i remembered english isn't ur first language. it's best to say i've tried that. good luck on that which u seek
See!! here it comes :( In my language it is a normal thing to say.
That is why i never post much,because the problems of expressing myself.
Not everybody is understanding.
Maybe my Englisch is fine for basic things..but wen it goes deeper i get these problems.
This also keeps me from investigating.
Better i just keep reading like i did for lmost 5 years now :icon_e_surprised: Haha
But thank you for your understanding.
i don't want to make u feel bad & not express ur thoughts & opinions. true there are differences in languages and how what said is interpreted, but i also have to apologize. thru written communication u can't see a persons face or hear their tone in the voice, if wrong, sorry. hope u keep posting and find what u r looking for.
No hard feelings. :smiley_abuv:
But i is what i have to think about al the time.
Do i say this correct,does it come over different ?..It takes so much extra time :icon_redface:
And wen i want to respond to something,i think better leave it because of those reasons.
:icon_e_smile:
don't let this stop u. continue to express ur thoughts and opinions. if someone takes it the wrong way (as i did) u let them know what u meant and they can either accept or reject it. as i used to tell my children, as long as a person isn't putting food in ur mouth clothes on ur back and a roof over ur head what they think or feel really isn't that heavy ( i.e. :images:) KEEP POSTING :)