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Title: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on February 14, 2012, 03:31:14 PM
Warning: this is my angry shout out! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/M%E9chant/0004.gif)
Please take it as it is. Just my opinion and my deep sorrow and anger! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/M%E9chant/0004.gif)


I am grateful and thankful to God  for the privileged position in which I find myself: I have a job, I have a warm home, I have food.
I live in a country where this 3 things I just mentioned, are a luxury!

1.   I live in a country where in the past 3 weeks, about 80 people died of cold and because they were blocked in the mountains of snow that have been falling upon Romania. And the number is growing!
2.   I live in the country where the authorities are more preoccupied about how to chase revolutionary groups from the streets of Bucharest (there are violent street protests for the past few weeks!), instead of saving people who are dying of cold at the moment I am writing this, in some far and isolated corners of Romania!
3.   I live in the country where people die in front of a closed hospital because the ambulance driver doesn’t know that the hospital had been closed.
4.   I live in the country where 6 new born babies died in a fire in a maternity-hospital 2 years ago, from a too old electricity system, a switcher caught fire while the only nurse that was responsible of that particular salon had to go to the bathroom! Can you believe this!??
5.   I live in a country where the statistics say that the medical system produces the biggest number of dead patients in Europe due to incompetence, negligence, lack of financial means, lack of elementary hygiene in hospitals!
6.   I live in a country where the statistics say that it has the biggest number of dead people due to traffic accidents, due to the incompetent and thief governing system who did nothing to build performant highways and roads. The money just went the other way, if you know what I mean!!
7.   I live in a country that suffers from massive exodus ! In the past 22 years, ever since the fall of communism in ’89, nearly 4 million of people left the country. In 1989 there were about 22 million of Romanians living in Romania.

Ever since^^ the natality decreased and the mortality increased, especially in the younger and elderly people!
I feel this is part of the DEPOPULATION objective led by Illuminati! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/M%E9chant/xdevil.gif)

I live in a very rich and beautiful country: from the point of view of the natural resources.
Then I wonder: why are people living like in hell in a country whose potential agricultural force could feed a population of 80 million if it were used at the maximum! That’s about the population of France!

What the hell is going on??? What century are we living on?? Middle Ages??
Who wants to harm our country that much? Who wants to see all those people dead out of the absurd causes I‘ve just mentioned above ^^? (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/M%E9chant/xdevil.gif)
Why do "they" make everything possible so that the Romanians leave their own country or those who refuse obstinately (me included) are left with the risk of dying as I mentioned above ^^! I am not saying I am in danger now, but seeing how the Romanian governors [just puppets! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/M%E9chant/xdevil.gif) ] treat the population in a crisis situation such as the current one, when people die of cold, then I wonder: is this really incompetence?? Or is someone [ (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/M%E9chant/xdevil.gif) ] purposely trying to kill these people by letting them die of cold or due to a precarious medical system!??

So what would be the reason for an Illuminati conspiracy against our country?
The reason is the FACT that Romania actually lies on MOUNTAINS OF GOLD !!!
Someone is trying to make us leave from our own country and/or die as I already mentioned above ^^ so that "they" can take advantage from our country's natural riches.

The Illuminati works well from their “invisible” position while the Romanians are tricked into believing that they only have incompetent governors! So while the 2 main political groups fight with each other, while people die of cold in their homes, some foreign extraction companies, use anti-ecological methods to extract GOLD from our country! Because our corrupt politicians/governors allow them to! They always find a pretext or a “legal” way to sell some territory that those foreigner are interested in. They are basically selling our country!! And this is not done only for Gold, the Romanian territory is full of natural riches that are being hunted as we speak by TPTB !!! and those are definitely not Romanians! But this foreign “invisible government” [ (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/M%E9chant/xdevil.gif) ] that currently rules this whole WORLD! Romanians are fighting with each other (Romanian politicians), they’re trying to find the guilty ones for this situations: there are endless debates over which political party or which political ruler is the responsible for this catastrophic situation the country is in. But all this just makes me think of the Illuminati tactics: Divide and RULE! And this is exactly what is happening right now!!
I am also very aware that the situation in my country is not singular!

I am, as I said in the beginning of this message, very grateful that I am in the position where I can learn , research, judge with my own eyes/mind. I have access to Internet, I am privileged to have access to information while so many people die of cold in the streets or in their own homes!
But I am also very saddened and angry because I feel so powerless, I feel frustrated because I know what is happening and WHY! But I can’t do anything to help!!!

Sorry, if I bothered or bored anyone, but I just watched the news and learned that more people died today … and I felt the need to CRY OUT how I feel, think about this whole absurd thing!!
What can I do????
I love my country very much! and I hate to see it destroyed and manipulated by these bastards!!!(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Combat/0104.gif)

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Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: Sarahli on February 14, 2012, 04:28:22 PM
I understand your anger Simpa and I feel your passion, it broke my heart when I heard the news that people died in their homes because of the cold. This is so sad I have no words. All these torments are happening because most of the people in the world are not aware of what is really going on behind the walls, the truth is not widely known, people are misinformed about those who want to rule the whole world and what is the force behind them. We really need a massive wake up call that will trigger real change on a global scale so that people can take their rights back and make them prevail. Let’s pray God for a better world to come.

 bearhug
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on February 14, 2012, 04:37:21 PM
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I understand your anger Simpa and I feel your passion, it broke my heart when I heard the news that people died in their homes because of the cold. This is so sad I have no words.
Thank you, Sarahli!! love you!  bearhug

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All these torments are happening because most of the people in the world are not aware of what is really going on behind the walls, the truth is not widely known, people are misinformed about those who want to rule the whole world and what is the force behind them.
Yes, exactly! this is the saddest, most dangerous part of it all!! being blind in front of the real enemy! this scares me the most!

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We really need a massive wake up call that will trigger real change on a global scale so that people can take their rights back and make them prevail.
This is where I put all my hopes in Michael's plan!!

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Let’s pray God for a better world to come.
God bless!!
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: Sarahli on February 14, 2012, 04:47:00 PM
Yes together we will usher in this _EW change!  ;) I love you too Sim, take care.  bearhug
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: ilovemjforever on February 14, 2012, 05:04:17 PM
I am so sorry for your anger and pain SimPatty K.I am very sorry to hear about the sad situation in your country.I can relate i live in the U.S. and things are not looking to pretty here either.I must admit our country does not seem to be in worst shape than yours at the moment,but i sense things are about to change.The evil powers that run the world,don't give a rats ass about any one but the rich and powerful.I hate to see people suffering in any country and it makes me sick to my stomach.The things that they are doing and planning behind closed doors,is just pure evil.It is good to know that you are doing well,and u realize the bad things that the wicked governments are doing to their own citizens.Hang in there,i know things have to get better.
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: MJonmind on February 14, 2012, 05:18:00 PM
I feel your pain and frustration.  There is so much suffering. Is it worse or better than when under Communist rule? 

I was thinking about the fact that every country, and throughout all history since Cain killed Abel, would have similar feelings to yours. Think of the situation during Jesus' day, the Israelites living under Roman rule, many small groups became militant to try to overthrow them. I'm sure life-expectancy was short in those days, as we don't hear again of Joseph, Jesus' father, after the story of when Jesus was 12.

I don't mean in any way to be trite about it, but I really believe that ALL things are under God's control, and that His story plan is for evil to prevail, and in the end of this age, He will send a man to bring healing to the world.  It's about timing, and about faith--trusting God.  In the meantime we have the summing up of the law by Jesus' words--Love God and love your neighbour.  That's all we can do, and are required to do.  I'm always reminded of Joseph's words to his brothers in Genesis 50:20 (KJV).
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20But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.
  Joseph's life is a picture of Christ's.

It would seem that pain and suffering are part of this life of all humans, bar none.

Romans 8:20-25
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20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%208:20-25&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28138a)] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God. 22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.

Michael said, "It's all for L.O.V.E.!  Blessings on you!
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: MaryK on February 14, 2012, 05:28:25 PM
Sim I am sorry for all the pain and suffering and shady schemes going on in Romania.
I will always remember my physics teacher (who is Romanian) speaking about his home country with so much love but yet so much pain.
He was so aggrieved about the state of things in Romania....so sad he would even start to cry.
Well that was years ago....but I think that is pretty much what you feel even today.
I feel so sorry for your people.
You know....I live in Germany. We are still considered to be a wealthy country with many merits. But believe me...we are not. We are going down the drain step by step. Things get worse every day. Unemployment, poverty, lack of education, shady schemes and wrong decisions by the government. We are still doing much better than many countries in the world. I know that. But...this country isn´t what it used to be when I was a child.
We are heading towards "very rich people" vs. "very poor people"....no more middle class.
It breaks my heart to see so many children in broken families, no time for the children, no family ties to give them a stable background...because both parents have to work fulltime to feed their children.
This leads to aggression, violence, despair, crime...not only in adults, but also in children and adolescents.
I ask myself: where is the love? What kind of life is this, what kind of future for our children?
Germany....land of poets and thinkers....no more in the future I´m afraid....the flower of knowledge and pensiveness won´t grow on desert sand.....

Sending you love Sim. My thoughts are with you!
 bearhug
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on February 14, 2012, 06:42:35 PM
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THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR LOVE AND SUPPORT!  IT MEANS A LOT TO ME!

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I am so sorry for your anger and pain SimPatty K.I am very sorry to hear about the sad situation in your country.I can relate i live in the U.S. and things are not looking to pretty here either.I must admit our country does not seem to be in worst shape than yours at the moment,but i sense things are about to change.The evil powers that run the world,don't give a rats ass about any one but the rich and powerful.
I hate to see people suffering in any country and it makes me sick to my stomach.[....]
^^ That's the exact reason why I decided to write about my country's situation in this thread that I titled so generically!! because I KNOW that what happens in my country is very similar on more or less the same levels, in all the other countries as well!!
I opened this thread with the intent of hearing from you guys what is the current situation in your countries too!
I knew you would understand my feelings and that you can perfectly relate to how I feel.
At least we have that! We can share our sorrows and anger! We KNOW what's happening and WHY , but we can't do anything about it! At least we ca share this! So please everyone , don't hesitate to write here your shouts of anger regarding your countries!
I am not a whining person, I wouldn't have written this unless I knew that I am not alone with these feelings and thoughts! otherwise I would have kept them for myself!
I am glad you talked about what happens in US , ilovemjforever and thank you for your kind words! 

Quote from: MjonMind
I feel your pain and frustration.  There is so much suffering. Is it worse or better than when under Communist rule? 
GOOD question @MJonMind and thank you for your comment!

You see, "they" managed to divide us even regarding this subject!
A good part of Romanians think it was better during Communism!
A good part thinks it is way better now during Capitalism!
A good part thinks it would be better to return to Monarchy again!
A good part is so disgusted by everything that they don't even care what happens anymore! they only focus on the bread they need to put on the table the next day!
There is NO common denominator right now regarding this situation! The Romanians are NOT united ! they are divided which is why "they" can so easily MESS up with us!! "they" play us by their fingers!!

MaryK said it all very well:
Quote from: MaryK
We are heading towards "very rich people" vs. "very poor people"....no more middle class.

MY answer to MJonMind's question: I'll just reproduce what I had written on my FB page one month ago when the street protests began in all major cities of Romania!
So here it is: Whether the "president" [dictator] is called Nicolaie Ceausescu [executed in '89] or Traian Basescu [current president of Romania], whether the government form is called "communism", "socialism", "fascism", "capitalism" or any other stupid "-ism", the story remains the same: the few rich ones rule the many poor ones !! see the pics below! - This is the 666 pyramid system in which the power is concentrated in the hands of the few rich of the TOP level, those who step on the backs of the many at the bottom level - this is the Illuminati (NWO) system !!

When I first read TS's posts talking about the 999 numerology in MJ's death hoax, then I told to my self: "This is IT!" this is the way we can ESCAPE this blood sucking 666 system we are living under for AGES !!! Regardless of what "-ism" ruled the countries at any specific period of time! it was always the same bullshit Masked "nicely" to fool the masses!

MJonMind: I fully agree, people need to return their faces to GOD and only HIM! it's our ultimate salvation!


This video is from exactly a month ago. YT user's comment: "There have been violent scenes in the Romanian capital Bucharest between police and protestors demonstrating over health service cuts. Nine people were injured, as officers used tear gas while some in the crowd threw petrol bombs. Thousands have been taking to the streets across the country, angry at more government austerity measures needed to get new financial help from the International Monetary Fund. Opponents say the already outdated medical system will be further worsened and living standards reduced."

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Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on February 14, 2012, 07:04:53 PM
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Sim I am sorry for all the pain and suffering and shady schemes going on in Romania.
I will always remember my physics teacher (who is Romanian) speaking about his home country with so much love but yet so much pain.
He was so aggrieved about the state of things in Romania....so sad he would even start to cry.
Well that was years ago....but I think that is pretty much what you feel even today.
I feel so sorry for your people. [..]
Just so you know I had tears in my eyes when i read this ^^ tears for that teacher and for all the Romanians out there who were forced to leave their country because of impossible living-conditions here!
There were many who left out of greed, "drunken" with the illusion of much higher salaries overseas. little did they know that wherever you go on this globe , you find the same "invisible ruling force" behind the puppets=politicians of any country!
But the majority left because they just couldn't take it anymore! they left this country to save their families! Most of them left their families here in Romania and went to work abroad and send money back home! The luckiest ones were able to leave together with their families!
This whole situations is so painful even to talk about! There is not one single Romanian now that hasn't had a family member, a friend or an acquaintance that needed to leave the country for a better life! WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE??? I tell you what: "they" want OUR land!!! So either you LEAVE or you get killed "indirectly" !!

Thank you MaryK for sharing your country's situation!! it's really scarring what's happening on a world level! And what's even more frightening is that even now , most people don't have a damn' clue about it!!


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I ask myself: where is the love? What kind of life is this, what kind of future for our children?
The LOVE is here, on this very forum! and on every Internet page where Michael's death hoax is debated! this is what keeps my hopes ALIVE!! Maybe, after all we CAN make a change for this world to get better!! God help us! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Amour/coeur-neon-lumineux.gif)
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on February 17, 2012, 06:50:21 AM
Romania is literally under snow!
The houses in more than 75 villages are buried in snow.
For more than 10 days, these people don't have electricity,
nor water, they can't feed their animals, they can't even bury their dead relatives!
:(


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People are forced to dig for hours to uncover their homes buried under 3-4 metres of snow.

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Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: GINAFELICIA on February 17, 2012, 01:17:25 PM
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So what would be the reason for an Illuminati conspiracy against our country?
The reason is the FACT that Romania actually lies on MOUNTAINS OF GOLD !!!

That's it.
From ancient history, starting with the Roman Empire - others took so much gold from here and there still is...they still want what's left under our mountains. Only God and the all seeing eye from satellites know how much it still is there.
And it is.

When I was a child I had a book with stories from all nations.
And there was a Chinese one about a flood that came over a village and there were 2 neighbors - one poor and one rich in gold.
The poor one took a sack of bread and climbed a tree. The rich one took a sack of gold and climbed the same tree to escape the flood. Useless to say which one survived. Well, it's just a story.
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on February 19, 2012, 09:39:11 PM
@ Gina:  thanks for sharing your view! Love you  bearhug

What do we do? these bastards are selling our country!


Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: GINAFELICIA on February 20, 2012, 12:57:16 AM
We pray.
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: MJonmind on February 20, 2012, 01:33:07 AM
Thank you for giving me a better understanding of how terrible are your country's conditions. It must be heart-breaking.
May God give your leaders wisdom and strength.
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: GINAFELICIA on February 20, 2012, 08:40:34 AM
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May God give your leaders wisdom and strength.

May God give us other leaders. The ones we have now are just puppets.

MJonmind I don't want you to think it's all black here. Because it's not. A country doesn not mean only the economy, but also the culture. The essence is to be found there, in the ancient spirituality ...Romanians were the first christianized nation in Central Europe by the first called apostle, Andrew.
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: AKHTONI on February 20, 2012, 09:36:05 AM
Hope the future is more brighter just have faith in god SIMPATTYK  :)
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: GINAFELICIA on February 20, 2012, 02:17:01 PM
Sim the economy is so low like never before after 1989. There's so little enthusiasm on the markets that all prices are incredibly low. Nobody's buying almost anything, just for the basic necessities, people lose their jobs every day and I can't pretend it doesn't matter.
If I think of the catastrophic dimensions of it I simply PANIC.

But this doesn't solve anything. We must THINK what we can do. The ones who are in charge to rule this country are either stupid or have a mission AGAINST this nation. In any case, they seem helpless.

People don't have trust in the future anymore. They are scared and prudent with the little money they have, generating more crises. I tell you the truth - I am also scared. But it won't end until we pass all stages of the crises, get everything back in place and start it all again from zero. The sooner we do this the better. The more we avoid it the longer the agony.

Today I received so bad news about people I know. Their company is closing, they all lose their jobs in 2 months. They are high qualified. I can't be of any help to them, I just hope they will be lucky enough to find something else in a short time. We just can't all pack and leave this country, can we?


Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: Tink on February 21, 2012, 03:33:33 AM
If the mountains truly held gold, I seriously doubt people would be leaving - the locals would be DIGGING like crazy; blowing mine shafts into the mountains - but then, the prices of everything would skyrocket, just like they did out here, during the Gold Rush.

When we had Hurricane Katrina, a teenage boy grabbed a school bus on his own (the rest got flooded out), loaded local people into it and DROVE to Houston, TX! People pooled their money for gas, whenever they got low. Instead of getting incarcerated for theft, he got a full scholarship for college!

I strongly feel that taking action, rather than sitting around and waiting, is what we need to do in the world.
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: GINAFELICIA on February 21, 2012, 03:54:33 AM
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If the mountains truly held gold, I seriously doubt people would be leaving - the locals would be DIGGING like crazy; blowing mine shafts into the mountains - but then, the prices of everything would skyrocket, just like they did out here, during the Gold Rush.

When we had Hurricane Katrina, a teenage boy grabbed a school bus on his own (the rest got flooded out), loaded local people into it and DROVE to Houston, TX! People pooled their money for gas, whenever they got low. Instead of getting incarcerated for theft, he got a full scholarship for college!

I strongly feel that taking action, rather than sitting around and waiting, is what we need to do in the world.

People can not dig on a land that they don't owe. That belongs to the government and a foreigh company struggles for 3 years to get the right of explotation of those gold resources. They didn't get it yet but they made even a TV campain to influence the public opinion about it. Imagine I saw that commercial 3-4 times a day on TV. Why would they do that if there's no gold left under those mountains??

I agree we have to take action but what action?? Just to go out in the streets and shout is not enough, they don't care anyway and don't even have the decency to quit, like in other countries.
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: Tink on February 21, 2012, 04:07:43 AM


People can not dig on a land that they don't owe. That belongs to the government and a foreigh company struggles for 3 years to get the right of explotation of those gold resources. They didn't get it yet but they made even a TV campain to influence the public opinion about it. Imagine I saw that commercial 3-4 times a day on TV. Why would they do that if there's no gold left under those mountains??

I agree we have to take action but what action?? Just to go out in the streets and shout is not enough, they don't care anyway and don't even have the decency to quit, like in other countries.
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Here's examples of what people are doing!

Current info http://www.romania-insider.com/protest-against-rosia-montana-mining-project-in-romania-organized-this-january/45829/ (http://www.romania-insider.com/protest-against-rosia-montana-mining-project-in-romania-organized-this-january/45829/)

http://www.romania-insider.com/gold-fever-sends-gold-price-to-new-historical-maximum-in-romania/33041/ (http://www.romania-insider.com/gold-fever-sends-gold-price-to-new-historical-maximum-in-romania/33041/)
 Now people on here can read what you're talking about. Venezula is pulling all their Gold back in, too - see links.

Greenpeace is helping, people do care!
 bearhug
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: GINAFELICIA on February 21, 2012, 06:21:35 AM
Tink you are very well informed :)
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on February 24, 2012, 04:46:07 PM
Gina, AKHTONI & MJonmind thank you for your kind and understanding thoughts !  bearhug
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: paula-c on February 24, 2012, 06:36:00 PM
Who governs the world? What can citizens do?
The first question may be two responses, one would be faithful to what you can read in the media, an illustrious world, where all those divisions sold to classify everything are real, tangibles… Left, right, third world, first world, globalization, capitalism, market, etc. Using this view, our world would be simple, easy, simple, happy... The happiness of the ignorant perhaps.
Another response we can give us is situated in a world where there are shadows, enigmas, thousand reasons for concern, where limits do not exist, where clarity is gone, where there is no black and white, if not that everything is a strange shades of gray with an infinity of nuances. There is a ruling class in modern democracy, it is more democracy in the world is scarce. The media are essential tools for maintaining a specific public interest groups media to pursue a policy of hiding and distortion of the events according to the interests of its owners, in the best of cases, at worst, we are faced with an accelerated and premeditated of brainwashing program.

As to the question of what citizens can do? … Easy it would be for those who nominate the principle, for happy people in their ignorance. Sincerely, under my humble opinion, concepts such as return to begin a revolution, fight for a global social justice, report and make transparent the practices of those who behave like feudal lords, the aggregation of the new social movements, a new contract guarantee They are unfortunately utopian for being available to a few. By face continuously to the established and dominant power of those who dominate the media, the power of those intended through corporations, lobbyists, of lobbies to set the world in his image and likeness and based on your interest, we can only hope to receive in return the absolute "banishment", the desperation of those who even knowing possession of truth receive looks of surprise and accusations of conspirator, Madness by happy in their ignorance, see the world in an easy version.
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on February 25, 2012, 07:20:57 AM
@paula-c: Thank you for your realistic thoughts.



"Rosia Montana" Cyanide open-pit
in the heart of Carpathian Garden


Essay regarding the mining project with cyanide and open-pit
at "Rosia Montana" ~ ROMANIA


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anmmpAhD3Ig[/youtube]

See also: Behind Gold's Glitter: Torn Lands and Pointed Questions
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/24/international/24GOLD.html


Honduras - In March 2001, Seventy-five people representing 15 communities located adjacent to 8 mines attended a meeting in Honduras to launch a national anti-mining campaign called "Honduras Is Worth More Than Gold." The meeting took place on March 9 and put forward several goals, including the prohibition of the use of cyanide in mining operations, the prohibition the expropriation of campesino and indigenous lands, and the strengthening of mining and environmental laws.

In January, 2005 in response to mining threats, Alaskan Village and Traditional Councils as well as Village Corporations began to pass strong resolutions in opposition to mines that they believe are a) environmentally unsound b) foreign owned c) in conflict with their desired future vision for their communities and d) a threat to their traditional lifeways.

Montana - a 1998 citizen's initiative passed that banned open-pit cyanide leaching in gold and silver mining at new mines and mine expansions.

Colorado - five counties have banned cyanide heap leach mining. In January 27, 2004, Commissioners in Summit County voted for the ban to protect the future public health and safety from the controversial mining process and chemicals.

Turkey - In 1997 the Turkish Council of State decided not to allow gold production through cyanide leaching, on the basis of article 56 of the Turkish Constitution which guarantees the right of people to live in a healthy environment (nr. 1996/5348, decision nr. 1997/2311).
 
 
Also watch :

"Rosia montana" ~ THE PRICE OF GOLD

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XICf-PCGRJM&feature=related[/youtube]
 

Testimonies from "Rosia Montana" (I'm sorry I didn't find a subtitled version)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zukHOrdQuEw&feature=related[/youtube]
 

This is how our beautiful land is left after "they" take out the gold!!
 totally DESTROYED!! My heart squeezes when I see those images!!
:-\

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLAm20aQHP4&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on February 25, 2012, 09:04:39 AM
"I love the planet, I love the trees. I have this thing for trees - the colors and changing of leaves. I love it. I respect those kind of things. I really feel that nature is trying so hard to compensate for man's mismanagement of the planet. Because the planet is sick, like a fever. If we don't fix it now, it's at the point of no return. This is our last chance to fix this problem that we have, where it's like a runaway train. And the times has come. This Is It." (Michael Jackson)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUZ2HTn9GPs[/youtube]



Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on February 25, 2012, 04:08:43 PM
I just didn't know where to post this for you guys to read, I just quickly thought of this thread...

OMG! Pearl Jr. just said few minutes ago,  on the LIVE tiny chat that Michael may have been in Romania like a week ago and that he may have like a secret castle in Romania! She asked us to give her info about this if we can...

Now true or false ....? I don't know ! But it's weird that she said that!

The live chat continues... here's the link - http://tinychat.com/mjjinnocent4ever
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: MaryK on February 25, 2012, 04:18:58 PM
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I just didn't know where to post this for you guys to read, I just quickly thought of this thread...

OMG! Pearl Jr. just said few minutes ago,  on the LIVE tiny chat that Michael may have been in Romania like a week ago and that he may have like a secret castle in Romania! She asked us to give her info about this if we can...

Now true or false ....? I don't know ! But it's weird that she said that!

The live chat continues... here's the link - http://tinychat.com/mjjinnocent4ever

Oops  :lol:
And what is her evidence for that?
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on February 25, 2012, 04:25:24 PM
Now she added more, she again spoke about Romania and that castle that Michael may have in Romania where you can get only by helicopter... she said she spoke with this person that she can't tell us who he/he is...
i think she was asked by the interviewer is she would go there..  Pearl answered that not during winter...
She was vague too, but she insisted on Michael and Romania castle!!



I am sorry but I was so shocked to hear Pearl talk so much, twice this evening , about Romania and Michael being at a castle here... that I just couldn't 'register' with precision what she exactly said...
If any other of you guys were there and listened to what she said , pls write! tks!
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on February 25, 2012, 04:39:45 PM
Now this PeterPYT is talking with Pearl

http://tinychat.com/mjjinnocent4ever#
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on February 25, 2012, 04:45:10 PM
Now Pearl left the live chat and she once again asked us to please send her any information we may find about Michael and the Romanian castle! smiley_spider
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: MaryK on February 25, 2012, 04:52:36 PM
Now...is this a cheering up for Gina who´s been so distraught today ? I really wonder....

Anyway.....you Romanian guys go get a helicopter and seek him out!  :lol:

No.....just kidding of course. If this is true I am really happy for him. Traveling, dreaming and  mysterious places are wonderful things.
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on February 25, 2012, 04:54:57 PM
lmao  :lol: love you MaryK  :lol:

Hey Gina, AppleHead jump in (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Transports/avion2.gif)
Let's go find the King!!
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: MaryK on February 25, 2012, 04:57:17 PM
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lmao  :lol: love you MaryK  :lol:

Hey Gina, AppleHead jump in (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Transports/avion2.gif)
Let's go find the King!!
;D :lol:
 bearhug
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on February 25, 2012, 04:58:45 PM
Seriously, when I opened this thread, I never would of thought of laughing on it! loll

I should have posted this info somewhere else, but where?
And I was so shocked by what pearl was saying I had to quickly share it with you guys... i still don't know what to make to all this Romanian castle thing!

There is this Romanian hoax site - http://sites.google.com/site/whereismichaeljackson/22-unde-este--1 that discussed many theories about Michael being either in Dubai, Ireland, or in Eastern Europe, in Hungary or Romania! But I never heard of any theory about Michael being at a Romanian castle and much less last week or few weeks ago as Pearl said!
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on February 25, 2012, 05:49:18 PM
Let's just keep this thread for its initial intent, please.


Maybe the mods will move the off-topic messages into this new thread, please!

I just opened a thread for the Romanian castle, here: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=22268.msg391834;topicseen#msg391834
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: paula-c on February 25, 2012, 05:54:02 PM
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@paula-c: Thank you for your realistic thoughts.



"Rosia Montana" Cyanide open-pit
in the heart of Carpathian Garden


Essay regarding the mining project with cyanide and open-pit
at "Rosia Montana" ~ ROMANIA


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anmmpAhD3Ig[/youtube]

See also: Behind Gold's Glitter: Torn Lands and Pointed Questions
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/24/international/24GOLD.html


Honduras - In March 2001, Seventy-five people representing 15 communities located adjacent to 8 mines attended a meeting in Honduras to launch a national anti-mining campaign called "Honduras Is Worth More Than Gold." The meeting took place on March 9 and put forward several goals, including the prohibition of the use of cyanide in mining operations, the prohibition the expropriation of campesino and indigenous lands, and the strengthening of mining and environmental laws.

In January, 2005 in response to mining threats, Alaskan Village and Traditional Councils as well as Village Corporations began to pass strong resolutions in opposition to mines that they believe are a) environmentally unsound b) foreign owned c) in conflict with their desired future vision for their communities and d) a threat to their traditional lifeways.

Montana - a 1998 citizen's initiative passed that banned open-pit cyanide leaching in gold and silver mining at new mines and mine expansions.

Colorado - five counties have banned cyanide heap leach mining. In January 27, 2004, Commissioners in Summit County voted for the ban to protect the future public health and safety from the controversial mining process and chemicals.

Turkey - In 1997 the Turkish Council of State decided not to allow gold production through cyanide leaching, on the basis of article 56 of the Turkish Constitution which guarantees the right of people to live in a healthy environment (nr. 1996/5348, decision nr. 1997/2311).
 
 
Also watch :

"Rosia montana" ~ THE PRICE OF GOLD

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XICf-PCGRJM&feature=related[/youtube]
 

Testimonies from "Rosia Montana" (I'm sorry I didn't find a subtitled version)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zukHOrdQuEw&feature=related[/youtube]
 

This is how our beautiful land is left after "they" take out the gold!!
 totally DESTROYED!! My heart squeezes when I see those images!!
:-\

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLAm20aQHP4&feature=related[/youtube]










A small sample of what you have done the mining exploitation in the State of Amazonas, Venezuela.


(http://www.larevolucionvive.org.ve/IMG/jpg/mineria.jpg)















(http://www.rnv.gob.ve/noticias/uploads//post-27-1274991584.jpg)
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on February 25, 2012, 06:15:57 PM
Yeah i know how these GOLD seekers are destroying the nature in all corners of the world, literally poisoning the plants and the inhabitants!

Thank you for quoting my last post on this new page of the thread and for adding those pics, @paula-c  bearhug
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: Dontwalkaway on February 25, 2012, 06:20:24 PM
Gina and Sim,

I hope it gets better there in Romania.  I'm glad the videos were posted because it's good to see what is happening elsewhere in the world.  The only time I left the US was to go to Canada and that's only a couple of hours away.     


Love You
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on February 25, 2012, 06:36:05 PM
I could feel the anger and your feelings of despair of not being able to help through your first post, which I can understand completely. And although I can not imagine how life circumstances in Romania are like, I have now a clear view because of your thread. Concerning human rights I get my updates from Amnesty International and recently I've been reading news about the use of excessive force by the police during Bucharest demonstrations against demonstrators between January 15th - 19th. I condemn the violence, but I think that the only positive thing is that these serious crimes got attention from the international media, which means awareness (I hope) of the world about the problems in Romania.

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The prime minister of Romania says he and his government will resign immediately to protect the stability of the country.
Emil Boc said Monday he is resigning "to ease the social situation" — referring to weeks of protests in Romania over austerity measures that he introduced in 2010.
 
Boc, who became prime minister in 2008, urged Romania's feuding politicians to be mature and rapidly vote for a new government. He defended his record, saying that he had taken "difficult decisions thinking about the future of Romania, not because I wanted to, but because I had to."
 
He added that the International Monetary Fund has forecast growth of up to two per cent this year — lower than expected, but higher than the European Union average.
 
Romania signed up for a 20 billion euro ($26 billion US) loan with the IMF, the European Union and the World Bank in 2009 to help pay salaries and pensions, after the economy shrank by more than seven per cent. In 2010, the government increased sales tax from 19 per cent to 24 per cent and cut public workers' salaries by a quarter to reduce the budget deficit.
 
In January, Romanians staged weeks of protests to express anger at cronyism and a perception that the government is not interested in the problems of ordinary people in this nation of 22 million.
 
They protested low living standards, widespread corruption, and the passage of some laws without a parliamentary debate.
 
"I know that I made difficult decisions, but the fruits have begun to appear," Boc said in a statement. "The most important thing is the economic stability of the country," he said, adding, "In times of crisis, the government is not in a popularity contest, but is saving the country."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/02/06/romanian-government-resigns.html

more news: http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/romania/index.html

I hope this is going in the good direction for the people of Romania.

Sim, further in your thread I was happy to see some  :) :) from you too   bearhug

L.O.V.E.
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: GINAFELICIA on February 26, 2012, 12:29:10 AM
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lmao  :lol: love you MaryK  :lol:

Hey Gina, AppleHead jump in (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Transports/avion2.gif)
Let's go find the King!!
I am ready to go but I have a question: if that place is accessible only by helicopter, how they built it? You can't transport all the materials only by helicopter.

But I admitt it's beautiful to dream about it. Even it it's only a dream. You know soon after June 25th on the Derek Clontz site it was said MJ's in castle in Romania or Hungary. Right......
Like he would be so close to us. There are only about 200-300 km from here to Borsec, I think. I think I know where I'll spend my holiday this year /cook/

Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: GINAFELICIA on February 26, 2012, 12:43:21 AM
I know this was already posted but I really think people should see it. They intoxicate us with commercials tring to convince people to agree with the Canadian company who wants to start again at Rosia Montana. I really hope the government won't give him them approval because of environmental reasons. They want to extrcat gold - they should find other methods, protective for the environment.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anmmpAhD3Ig[/youtube]
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: applehead250609 on February 26, 2012, 10:18:23 AM
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Now she added more, she again spoke about Romania and that castle that Michael may have in Romania where you can get only by helicopter... she said she spoke with this person that she can't tell us who he/he is...
i think she was asked by the interviewer is she would go there..  Pearl answered that not during winter...
She was vague too, but she insisted on Michael and Romania castle!!



I am sorry but I was so shocked to hear Pearl talk so much, twice this evening , about Romania and Michael being at a castle here... that I just couldn't 'register' with precision what she exactly said...
If any other of you guys were there and listened to what she said , pls write! tks!

Simpa ,Pearl knows alot more than she is willing to SPILL lol  lolol/ !!! I said this from the begining, she IS and HAS APART in this hoax,100 % sure about it.
Thank you for the info,be blessed  bearhug !!!!


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lmao  :lol: love you MaryK  :lol:

Hey Gina, AppleHead jump in (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Transports/avion2.gif)
Let's go find the King!!

OMG this is FUN  :lol:  penguin/  !!! Let's go and find this JOKER,cause he deserves a really good spanking  :lol:  for doing this hoax lol  lolol/ !!!!
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: MJonmind on February 26, 2012, 12:05:23 PM

Looking at those pictures of the lakes/rivers in Romania where the gold mining was, reminds me of the verse:
Revelation 11:6
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6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.


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lmao  :lol: love you MaryK  :lol:

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Let's go find the King!!
You girls go for it! And are you ready to jump too? Bring him all our messages of love!


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Applehead
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OMG this is FUN      !!! Let's go and find this JOKER,cause he deserves a really good spanking    for doing this hoax lol   !!!!
Well yes, then it would be payback time!  :lol:  This should be good! lolol/
Front on June 14/11
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      Don't MAKE me forget the "gentleman rules" and turn you over my leg and give your BACK-side whippin' you ain't never gonna forget!Never "ASS"ume anything!7DT continues….. previous post----> XX days (+1 day of…..)Perfection is the Child of Time.

Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on February 26, 2012, 12:41:28 PM
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Looking at those pictures of the lakes/rivers in Romania where the gold mining was, reminds me of the verse:
Revelation 11:6
Quote
6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.


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lmao  :lol: love you MaryK  :lol:

Hey Gina, AppleHead jump in (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Transports/avion2.gif)
Let's go find the King!!
You girls go for it! And are you ready to jump too? Bring him all our messages of love!


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Quote
You girls go for it! And are you ready to jump too? Bring him all our messages of love!

Before MJonmind's chute jump, let's bring him that message of love with a skydive of L.O.V.E. Who's joining?  /woohoo/
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on February 26, 2012, 01:33:08 PM
 :) You guys sure know how to put a smile on people's faces!

Love you so much! Thank you for ALL your lovely comments!  bearhug
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: Its her on March 08, 2012, 06:42:27 AM
I just still can't get over people dying in their homes, because of snow. Yeah, things are tough all over, something which prevents people from helping each other, but it doesn't have to be that way; we don't have to be just sitting ducks, waiting for calamity and evil to overtake us.

I have heard of people being snowed in, but not by 13 to 16 FEET. I know it snows a little more in mountain regions, but this seems to me to be ridiculous! Maybe everyone doesn't believe it, but there are people who have harnessed WEATHER CONTROL, through H.A.A.R.P., etc., and I believe you are right SimPattyK, they are using it to depopulate many areas. >:(

Last week in the U.S., 79 tornadoes  :shock:  :shock: :shock: swept through the Midwest and as far south as Tennessee. Then, before rescue efforts could commence, 5 inches of snow fell on the wreckage. Items which could have been salvaged like dry goods, computers, and photographs, and family momentos were ruined by the wet and snow. I have never  :evil: heard of such overkill: chop everything up, and then waterlog it, so not only is there NO place to find shelter, there is nothing of your life to take with you. It MUST be  suspicious// :evil: man made.

Just like Katrina. I think their plan is to cause such devastation, that there IS no one to rescue. (Remember how the U.S. government under Pres. Bush, waited and waited before moving in with rescue efforts? The damage wasn't completed yet, and they didn't want to move in until they finished & broke that levee, and washed as much of the area (and people) as possible, into the ocean. And I'll be darned if they crash/ :evil: didn't come back and try to do it AGAIN to the same place, what, the next year or 2 years later??)

H.A.A.R.P. isn't the last word. If someone could develop and utilize this technology, SOMEONE can invent something to interrupt or weaken it, or, better, deflect it back to the source and destroy it.  /woohoo/

Yesterdays's science fiction is today's science FACT. The government certainly isn't going to out law H.A.A.R.P., just as they haven't outlawed nuclear reactors, or destroyed deadly viruses and bacteria (as they made a big  albino/ albino/ albino/ SHOW of doing in the nineties).

The smartest :ugeek: among us need to put their heads together and just do it. Invent something COUNTER effective on H.A.A.R.P.. Don't worry about patents or credit, there isn't Time for ego; just WASTE the evil, and let TPTB GUESS how you did it!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a needful thing.  8)

And there are other things to do, which people have generally gotten away from in the last century. The faster the track people are on, the less in touch they are with the earth. Everyone used to grow their own food and keep some livestock. Now every one is as dependent as an infant, on grocery stores and meat markets, for their very life. This is sheer folly, when you realize one major interruption in transport of these foodstuffs TO the stores can empty those store shelves in a few days. No more trucks after that---everything stops in a crisis, and you eat what you have in your pantry for up to half a year, I've heard experts say.

Do people still keep a few months supply of imperishables (canned or preserved foods) and dry goods in their pantry? We have gotten so far away from our agricultural roots, that most people who think they are secure, don't have simple survival skills that kids, a hundred years ago had,  pale/ and people don't think far enough ahead. People want the larger, rumored to be tastier, healthier,  :roll: modified hybrid fruit and veggies, but the old fashioned unmodified kind is the only kind, which actually has fertile seed in it which will reproduce itself every time it is planted. Soon the only real seeds we will have will be what we as individuals harvested the year before. Seed companies make their money, counting on people having to buy new every season, so they sell seeds and plants which won't reseed themselves.

GOD meant for plants to give you more seed than you can use, so NO one will go without. Don't plant only things which give one season's yield. It is making scientists and drug companies and doctors rich. But, there is literally NO future in it. There are groups who collect and stock up on real seeds, but in a pinch, even a world trust will be conserving them and not sharing as much. It is everyone individual's responsibility to preserve the Earth and it's ability to feed its residents.

I hesitate to say anything because all it seems to do is scare people, but it is easy enough to set aside a modern life to pretend and prepare, in case we HAVE to "rough it" . Every home should have a garden of their own and put some food by, every fall. Even if you're not into canning, buy canned stuff from the grocer. Every pantry should be stocked with with emergency food. Some grocers even put on "stock up" sales of canned pasta, meat, beans and other proteinous foods. You may not eat or even like this kind of food, but it can save your life when your "druthers" have been compromised. geek/

It is not rocket science, and there are all kinds of people who have retained and practice the old skills, who are online and will direct you to resources. There are tons of BOOKs on survival in various situations, too cold too hot, too wet. The military and boy scouts are not the only ones who should know how to start and keep a fire without the luxury of a lighter or a match!

Btw, the armies of the world, including the free world, are fast becoming NOT your friend. In AMERICA, in my city, a few years ago, the mayor decided to have a May Day celebration, and in preparation for the production, he officially raised ANOTHER flag over both our state and country flags, which is a serious breach of protocol. When some outraged Veterans in the community pitched a fit, the mayor cordoned off the City Hall courtyard with an inner fence of grade school children, and an outer fence of armed police. He announced that if any one crossed those lines to touch those flags, he would call in the National Guard. I don't think that power is vested in a city office, but, here, City Hall is right across the street from the Governor's office, and she DOES hold that power.

NO one did anything about this!

All the citizens who let their kid take part in this already hostile situation, demonstrated that they would rather see their kids rubbing elbows with the Mayor on TV, than REALIZE they were right in the bull's eye of Harm's Way, and ALL the police (themselves, fathers and mothers!! and Americans!), just took their part, like good little puppets, ON THE WRONG SIDE (!!!) ready to gas and beat down their own citizens, and their kids, to defend what in protocol is an act of treason.  afraid/

Sure, it is only a flag, a bit of marked up textile, and a dusty old law on the books. Burn it, rip it up, but do not whitewash it! The markings and colors ON our flag, are not random stains. They represent the bloodshed it took to get the freedom we have, and WHOSE country it actually is. They represent that there IS, in fact, someone in charge here. WE THE PEOPLE, who ALLOW elected politicians to govern us by PERMISSION. (yeah, I know, I know, we have a shadow government which killed President Kennedy, amongst others for even daring to disrupt their little manipulative fisthold on the country, but their day is coming crash/ crash/ >:(, and the ideal first plan is what stands behind the flag we fly. At least we have a flag; the cowards don't wish to announce their presence by anything but evil fingerprint.)

I would be interested to find out if the Romanian flag changed when Communism was overthrown, and if it will change IF/when they become a Monarchy  ;)). It was probably not a priority, granted, but a flag represents OWNERSHIP, POSSESSION, OCCUPATION. It is a source of unity and pride in the collective resources and diversity of the country, if the occupiers are not an oppressive group. It is a way of expressing Uniqueness and Presence in the World.

Another flag flying over your own flag should concern everyone. It is the beginning of being usurped & "absorbed" , as if your uniqueness is some kind of maverick cell, which needs to be digested for the good of the whole...But, don't get me started. :roll: Do you ever think about why there are no markings at all on a white flag of surrender? It means, "I give up my right to rule anything, anyone, ESPECIALLY MYSELF; do whatever you want with me." This is the scariest, dirtiest flag one can fly. 

Back to survival skills.  :) Every home should have a wood stove or fireplace, in addition to any other kind. I've seen a trend to convert old masonry fireplaces to a nice, neat gas fireplace. No wood to chop or split or buy or carry; no smelly ashes to scoop out. No creosote build up.

But in a crisis, when gas lines are turned off for safety or,  /cook/ control...there is also NO heat, no cooking. Even if you break the glass out, you can't use a modified fireplace for a wood fire, unless you want to burn the house down. People may think this is just needless worry, this is 2012, but if they live in a winter climate, even part of the year, they can die right in their homes, right in 2012, in a manner of days, like SimPattyK reported here.

Young people ofttimes think they will live forever, because they haven't been here long enough to see some things, but there is an ALARMING amount of older folk who are ASLEEP, complacent in their hope in all the people and government entities in whom they have placed their very lives.  ???/

We expect too much of other people. We have gotten away from knowing how to do things for ourselves, and helping each other neighbor to neighbor  . We EXPECT fire and rescue to come. We pay them to save us, it is their only job. But it didn't work for those buried in their homes in 16 feet of snow. And now those ones are dead.

I can't get over this, because people living off the land have been surviving ungodly below zero weather for at least 7 thousand years!! Just 250 years ago, the Native Americans kept the first totally helpless Europeans alive through the first few winters. But even they were not born this way, it is acquired skill.

Some religious groups have just decided they want no part of technology, because it is a hypnotic trap to accustom people to lean on someone other than God, and it compromises the interdependent bond with neighbors, the people He puts in our lives, and the people to whom He gave us. It used to be a natural bond, and habit, to value people  and watch out for each others' livestock or crops, because to NOT take the responsibility is to let HUMAN BEINGS die out as a species. Even in Neighborhood Associations, the group hires OUT the job of snow removal and other maintenance tasks. Anything to avoid helping each other, personally, doing more work than anyone.

This is not an evil thing, but it is how expecting someone else (even paid) to do it FOR you, STARTS to remove your sense of responsibility to it, and pride in it, kind of like the concept of credit cards removes you from your money. I am of the opinion there are too many "middle men" in our modern lives for our own good. :? errrr Many of us have painted ourselves into corners, where we think we can't do anything else, we can't do without someone else raising/ teaching our kids, etc., but we are just believing our own lies because everyone else has the same lie going. Well, if everyone else is doing it that way, there MUST be no other way! /white flag/  :-\ 

At the very least, we can be the filter of whatever crap our kids are filled with in their government schools. In my childhood home, we HAD to be there for dinner. We discussed what we were fed at school. We learned very early that you just can't swallow everything whole, not even if your teacher says it is so...

Now everyone looks to the government or someone else to do things and complain when things fall through the cracks. It is easier than it has EVER been to say, "Not my job, man."  I bet NO one EVER said that before people moved away from their agricultural roots, because everybody KNEW what was at stake, then.

I am not saying become Amish, or go back to horse and buggy days. I am saying to think about how dependent we are on the technology of the last, just, hundred years, and ask YOURSELF if you want to be THAT helpless (without your phone, internet, running water, gasoline, A/C, hot water and a heat source.
These are things which the powers that be can interrupt anytime they so desire, and with a nice patronizing excuse /scream/.

You need clean water every day, and you can't eat snow if you're trying to conserve body heat. A couple of big friendly dogs would keep you and your family warm for days, as long as you have a way to keep them hydrated. (I am just trying to give some ideas. Please make use of the internet while we are allowed to look up anything, and learn how to survive anything  . Those 79 tornadoes I mentioned earlier just tell me that it may get worse before it gets better, because TPTB are now drunk with power, and on a freakin roll. >:( )

Since everything on TV went digital, we can't even get a plain old analog signal through the airwaves on any receiver that I know of, without changing it.  Why did the U.S. government want to KNOW WHO had old analog capable equipment, before they would give out the boxes to unscramble the signal????? suspicious// Why not just pass them out to us anonymously??? pale/ suspicious// suspicious//

(Not even certain about shortwave. Does anyone know?) Not only is it possible to curtail Internet usage, but there probably won't even be RADIO for news or anything. Can we live out of touch with EVERYone, but those in our own houses, for even a month? What about six or 12 months?

Do you have a non-cordless phone in your house, or will you be without phone service if the electricity goes out? Will you be able to call for help if your house is on fire or a power line is down, sparking across your roof, while there is no electricity in the house because of this?

You don't have to use it everyday; use your cute and convenient cordless, but have even a ratty old conventional phone ready to plug in instead, in a utility emergency. Even a cell phone is no good after days without power. I'm not trying to be scary. I don't want to hear about any more helpless people when it is SO easily preventable!
 
Cell phones just get more and more amazing, but with each sparkling sugar cube you are given, they draw you farther out on a limb, away from a life with no strings...Just saying, I've taken some thought, about burning old bridges, and, uh, I just wanted to get all this off my chest.   :| Be safe! 
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Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: SimPattyK on March 19, 2012, 03:24:59 AM
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I very much agree with what you say, paragraph by paragraph!
I love how you see things... I like the parallels that you made with the U.S. ...
When i launched this thread  ...this is what I had in mind...for us all to share what situation is in your countries and analyze this from a global level and realize that the guilt for all evil belongs to this "invisible" force that rules the world today!
Title: Re: Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"
Post by: Its her on March 19, 2012, 06:23:47 AM
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@Its her: WOW! Thank you so much for this post! Thank you for carrying! bearhug bearhug
I very much agree with what you say, paragraph by paragraph!
I love how you see things... I like the parallels that you made with the U.S. ...
When i launched this thread  ...this is what I had in mind...for us all to share what situation is in your countries and analyze this from a global level and realize that the guilt for all evil belongs to this "invisible" force that rules the world today!

Thank YOU, SimPattyK, for the thread! Thank you  :) for the generously kind words! You love how I see things  ;)), but I scare  afraid/ myself, sometimes when things actually (omg) dawn on me, how brazen and tentacled evil is, and I understand fully why people don't want to know or discuss the evil looming around us. It is unbelievable. But if more people shared, there would be MORE Watchers and evil would be respectfully afraid of US, not to mention CURTAILED. respect/ 

TPTB are doing the same things to everybody, but ofttimes we don't know how MUCH---so we are  errrr  stunned instead of crash/ crash/ crash/ INDIGNANT, and just think it is a strange "act of God" or a fluke, while they continue in their cloak of invisibility :!: :evil: There is a pattern here, and the more we expose, the less freedom TPTB will have to act. beerchug

I used to date a guy who was a real hot.....creep, and I thought it was "just me", being overly sensitive, until two of his other girlfriends ( WTF??  crash/ crash/ ) and I coincidentally, inadvertently got together & realized what was going on. They each thought they were the problem in relationship with him, but it was all him. Once exposed, he instantly became powerless in three lives!! /toldya/ 

Many countries fall through the cracks, as many of the most beaten down are also very poor, like Haiti, and I think probably there are not any people in that country with the luxury of following a Michael Jackson DH, or sharing here about the rape of their country as we all found out about Romania. :-\ :-\  Sometimes we have to go reaching out, as you did with this thread, or just be watchful for some TPTB fingerprints/signs (as we certainly have seen, in Haiti, oh, yeah) and find a way to do something, as some people have, despite TPTB plans to convert Haiti to a wasteland. I realize now that I can't say I didn't know, if I am surfing the WWW every single day (I will eventually read something). But mostly, once I learned about the Illuminati or Unseen Hand or Force, I should, responsibly, be more watchful and more prepared. :shock: It is sobering.  :| Some of the information on the NWO has been out there since the seventies!

On my long list of things to read is a HUGE list of websites about practical things each person can do to defeat the NWO, stay healthy, and survive the System, in with all kinds of other self preservation and mind control stuff.  Just FYI, read it "with a grain of salt". I will post it unread, despite all the  suspicious// alien takeover stuff,  :roll: because the owners fully expect the information to be taken down any day! Some of it IS the kind of info people have died and disappeared over... :? So...here it is:

 http://www.educate-yourself.org/mc/
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