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Title: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: ~Souza~ on June 04, 2011, 11:01:02 PM

Yes I say "Theory" because in my book the 9/11 conspiracy is not a theory, but plain facts and truth. I have watched hundreds of videos about it, even the ones trying to prove it was NOT an inside job. I am convinced and with every new video I watch, I get angrier.

I found some videos today I hadn't seen before about the ghost plane. Many conspiracy theorists had been claiming that there were no planes used on 9/11, not in Pennsylvania, not in Virginia and not in New York. The first two were obvious, no footage of planes and not even passengers/lugage or PARTS of the planes found anywhere, they just vaporized. But for the Twin Towers it was less obvious, since we have footage of the planes hitting the towers, even amateur ones. Below some videos I just watched that explain and show in detail why the footage, even though live or from 'eye witnesses', is completely fabricated.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3cpHxbIIV4&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNXmgF2yAEc&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sElG-J3RlEs&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmyL_2yZM18&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FewydWODY9M&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq3bNBqyyTU&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuYe4kZUwLo[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b2Uk6ngQD8&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDPOhADnXkM&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Kristina4LOVE on June 05, 2011, 02:16:49 AM
I'm sorry, i'm a little bit slow today  geek/. So if there were no planes, did something else hit the twin towers? What about all the eye witnesses, they are all actors? The whole NYC is a big conspiracy apple?
I'm just trying to understand what this "Theory" stands for. I would love to hear a whole story of how it would actually work.


P.S The No Plane Manifesto videos were so annoying :lol:, because they would repeat those weird sounds 1000 times  crash/
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: liegi on June 05, 2011, 02:30:44 AM
I know someone who was an eyewitness from the New Jersey side. He was about to board a ferry to cross the Hudson River. I'll try to contact him (he no longer lives here).
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Sarahli on June 05, 2011, 08:45:41 AM
I think that there were too many potential eye witnesses especially knowing that New York is a very big town...so they couldn't fabricate the whole thing, two many people to "silence"....not manageable.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: ~Souza~ on June 05, 2011, 03:24:32 PM
Quote from: "Sarahli"
I think that there were too many potential eye witnesses especially knowing that New York is a very big town...so they couldn't fabricate the whole thing, two many people to "silence"....not manageable.

That is what I thought as well, untill I watched a video where they summed up the eye witnesses that mysteriously died. There are many eye witnesses who never saw a plane, even though most will say now that there was a plane, or that they heard a plane, simply because it's printed into their heads. They saw it on TV and they will alter their own experience because of the images. It's normal. And if it were missiles that hit the towers, it's very likely that they really did see something flying into the towers. Even if you can't recognise it at the moment, the images in the media will help you and tell you they were planes.

So I changed my mind on this issue, especially after watching the video above of the guy that really knows a lot about animations, lighting and all that. He has very good arguments as to why it couldn't have been planes, and I have not seen a video yet that explains the issues he raises. It's possible to fake the footage, even live. It's possible to create eye witness videos, and it's possible to print false images in people's heads, even if they were there and saw it themselves. Think of it, the majority of the people have no reason to doubt the images shown in the media. Even if they might have thought it didn't look like a plane when they saw it happening, they see the live images on TV and they think they might have been wrong. It's a traumatic experience. Those that keep saying that there was no plane/it was something else than a plane, are either dead or called lunatics. Get what I mean?
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Miss.Peppers on June 05, 2011, 03:35:18 PM
In the first video, the woman clearly says she was walking up out of the subway, looked up and heard a boom and saw the explosion.
She didnt hear or see a plane because she was coming out of the subway.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: MJonmind on June 05, 2011, 03:39:58 PM
There are many videos also out there on the Pentagon explosion caused by a missile, as well as the Pennsyvania field crash because of the complete and utter lack of parts of any plane, human remains in the wreckages of both places. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the twin tower crashes were planeless as well as the above videos say. The question I have is what happened to the passengers who were on the records as having been on those 4 planes. Are they non-existant people, made up names, or are these people alll on the witness protection list, and living forever on some remote island, or are they all dead in some unmarked grave, whisked away at the airport on that day Sept. 11,01. So many questions.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: ~Souza~ on June 05, 2011, 04:08:51 PM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
There are many videos also out there on the Pentagon explosion caused by a missile, as well as the Pennsyvania field crash because of the complete and utter lack of parts of any plane, human remains in the wreckages of both places. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the twin tower crashes were planeless as well as the above videos say. The question I have is what happened to the passengers who were on the records as having been on those 4 planes. Are they non-existant people, made up names, or are these people alll on the witness protection list, and living forever on some remote island, or are they all dead in some unmarked grave, whisked away at the airport on that day Sept. 11,01. So many questions.

I saw a documentary once that said that flight 93 (which is still officially functioning and never reported 'destroyed', go figure...) landed somewhere and the passengers from the plane and another plane were taken somewhere by NASA for questioning. Not sure exactly what the deal was, but something like that. Could have been mentioned in Loose Change final cut, but I'm not sure since I saw so many documentaries. We know that the so called cell phone calls never happened from that plane, because back then it wasn't possible to call from your cell in a plane. One of the passenger's husbands is somewhere on YouTube saying he thought that it was strange his wife called him from her cell. The recording of that call is also on YouTube and you can hear a whisper at the end telling her that she 'did a good job'.

Who knows where those passengers are, nothing surprises me anymore, the world is wicked...
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: peterpanswendy on June 05, 2011, 04:51:35 PM
I can't speak on the world trade center or Pennsylvania, but as someone who lives in Virginia, a plane definitely hit the Pentagon…
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: ~Souza~ on June 05, 2011, 05:02:12 PM
Quote from: "peterpanswendy"
I can't speak on the world trade center or Pennsylvania, but as someone who lives in Virginia, a plane definitely hit the Pentagon…

Why?
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Miss.Peppers on June 05, 2011, 05:47:21 PM
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Souza said: We know that the so called cell phone calls never happened from that plane, because back then it wasn't possible to call from your cell in a plane.

Thats not true.   They tell you not to turn your cell phone on in flight.  They still tell you that today.   But once they knew the flight was highjacked, what was stopping the passengers turning on their cells and making calls?????   The cell phone would work mid-air.   They tell passengers not to use them because they can disturb the planes electronics.   I think once the plane has been highjacked, that would be the last of the passengers worries.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: ~Souza~ on June 05, 2011, 07:47:41 PM
Quote from: "Miss.Peppers"
Quote
Souza said: We know that the so called cell phone calls never happened from that plane, because back then it wasn't possible to call from your cell in a plane.

Thats not true.   They tell you not to turn your cell phone on in flight.  They still tell you that today.   But once they knew the flight was highjacked, what was stopping the passengers turning on their cells and making calls?????   The cell phone would work mid-air.   They tell passengers not to use them because they can disturb the planes electronics.   I think once the plane has been highjacked, that would be the last of the passengers worries.

That's not what I mean, I mean it was technically not possible to call with your cell in the plane in 2001. I'll try to see if I can find the source when I have time.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: paula-c on June 05, 2011, 10:28:23 PM
Blue Beam, hologram,..An example:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abfsvVv2hwo&feature=related[/youtube]








http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abfsvVv2 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abfsvVv2hwo&feature=related)
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Lovely One on June 06, 2011, 02:07:27 AM
Its so wierd that you posted this today because I was on utube last night for 2 hours watching
911 conspiracy videos!!! I really believe that we are not being told the truth about what happened
that day. What I dont understand is what happened to the people on board?? If there were people
on a plane that they couldn't have just disappeared right?? Hmmm. :?
The last vid you posted Souza where the guy makes a call to the FBI really amazes me. So the FBI even
think the whole thing was suspicious and are looking into it....I really wonder if they will ever come out
with the truth????  afraid/
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Kristina4LOVE on June 06, 2011, 02:15:20 AM
There was one video i saw a while back, where Japanese scientists were showing holograms which you can actually touch. The example they were showing is falling water drops, if those drops hit your hand you can actually feel it. And that video was from 2005, if not earlier.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Lovely One on June 06, 2011, 02:48:37 AM
Wow. Check out this video of ALL of the witnesses who say that there were explosions heard
throughout the buildings!!! Could be that there were no planes, only explosions. Unbelievable!!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: ForstAMoon on June 06, 2011, 03:04:13 AM
to add more evidence of some games we are being played here:

please ask any of the photographers how difficult it is to catch fast moving objects on camera to be able to show still photo, and add the answer to the probability of such photo being made in just seconds during the event that changed the world history...

(http://http://www.ksl.com/emedia/slc/1423/142391/14239175.jpg)
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: mac5k on June 06, 2011, 03:58:37 AM
What about this video ... fake too ?   :roll:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3iKLz4oatY[/youtube]
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: MJonmind on June 06, 2011, 03:28:41 PM
When I mentioned to my son about holographic images or photoshopping video, he said possibly the first plane but not the second one because by this time everyone was looking at the buildings, and many clearly saw the second plane hit the building.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: scorpionchik on June 06, 2011, 03:47:26 PM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
When I mentioned to my son about holographic images or photoshopping video, he said possibly the first plane but not the second one because by this time everyone was looking at the buildings, and many clearly saw the second plane hit the building.

Exactly! The planes did not hit towers simultaneously as it made up in the second video from someone's dream perhaps. It is not a news though that people are master of fabrication of any news they get from media. Just exactly as it has been happening to Michael.  crash/
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Believe 777 on June 06, 2011, 05:08:23 PM
Quote from: Kristina4LOVE
There was one video i saw a while back, where Japanese scientists were showing holograms which you can actually touch. The example they were showing is falling water drops, if those drops hit your hand you can actually feel it. And that video was from 2005, if not earlier.

I think this is the one you mean   8-)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-P1zZAcPuw[/youtube]

Technology today is starting to look more like magic!
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: TheMoonIsDancing on June 06, 2011, 05:12:29 PM
i can't understand why the govmt would blow the WTC up?! What would be the point of that? IMHO, it was the carelessness of our National security that allowed this to happen. Billions of American taxpayer's money are spent on National Defense and they did such a terrible job at keeping people like this out of ANY country. I have thought of the theory Souza mentions, I like to keep my mind open to everything.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Sarahli on June 06, 2011, 05:51:01 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Sarahli"
I think that there were too many potential eye witnesses especially knowing that New York is a very big town...so they couldn't fabricate the whole thing, two many people to "silence"....not manageable.

That is what I thought as well, untill I watched a video where they summed up the eye witnesses that mysteriously died. There are many eye witnesses who never saw a plane, even though most will say now that there was a plane, or that they heard a plane, simply because it's printed into their heads. They saw it on TV and they will alter their own experience because of the images. It's normal. And if it were missiles that hit the towers, it's very likely that they really did see something flying into the towers. Even if you can't recognise it at the moment, the images in the media will help you and tell you they were planes.

So I changed my mind on this issue, especially after watching the video above of the guy that really knows a lot about animations, lighting and all that. He has very good arguments as to why it couldn't have been planes, and I have not seen a video yet that explains the issues he raises. It's possible to fake the footage, even live. It's possible to create eye witness videos, and it's possible to print false images in people's heads, even if they were there and saw it themselves. Think of it, the majority of the people have no reason to doubt the images shown in the media. Even if they might have thought it didn't look like a plane when they saw it happening, they see the live images on TV and they think they might have been wrong. It's a traumatic experience. Those that keep saying that there was no plane/it was something else than a plane, are either dead or called lunatics. Get what I mean?


Yes I understand what you mean Souza. I cannot judge on the videos as apparently everything can be faked and I'm no expert...and the analysis would prove that the video is fake but not necessarily that there were no planes on that day, in this case we would have to analyze all the videos and photographs available as they're supposedly from different sources...and there are many and from different angles. Now I still find it would have been too risky with no plane at all, I doubt that they can fool so many people just with the power of suggestion...and some witnesses said they saw airplanes, so who's to be believed...and again New York is a very big town with people from all over the world, tourists traveling, news agencies small and big all equipped with cameras and or cell phones etc, how can they control all that? I don't know I'm just imagining that I'm in New York and suddenly this happens and I'm filming the scene and I see no airplane  confused/ and on TV I would see airplanes added  confused/ ... and how can they get to me before I put it on the net or share it with someone? Multiply this by a lot of people...I don't know it's just too big for my mind. At least I know that the official story is fake.  crash/
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Kristina4LOVE on June 06, 2011, 05:59:29 PM
Quote from: Believe 777
Quote from: Kristina4LOVE
There was one video i saw a while back, where Japanese scientists were showing holograms which you can actually touch. The example they were showing is falling water drops, if those drops hit your hand you can actually feel it. And that video was from 2005, if not earlier.

I think this is the one you mean   8-)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-P1zZAcPuw[/youtube]

Technology today is starting to look more like magic!

Yes that's the one! Thank you for finding this!  :D
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: paula-c on June 06, 2011, 09:00:09 PM
(http://http://www.escuadronesporlaverdad.com/investigar11S/images/stories/investigar11s.org-pentagono-rokstories.jpg)
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: simalves on June 10, 2011, 05:56:51 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Miss.Peppers"
Quote
Souza said: We know that the so called cell phone calls never happened from that plane, because back then it wasn't possible to call from your cell in a plane.

Thats not true.   They tell you not to turn your cell phone on in flight.  They still tell you that today.   But once they knew the flight was highjacked, what was stopping the passengers turning on their cells and making calls?????   The cell phone would work mid-air.   They tell passengers not to use them because they can disturb the planes electronics.   I think once the plane has been highjacked, that would be the last of the passengers worries.

That's not what I mean, I mean it was technically not possible to call with your cell in the plane in 2001. I'll try to see if I can find the source when I have time.

Firstly if they were in the fields or wherever the plane was going down, were there cell sites in that area?? You do not get coverage at a certain height, unless it is a satellite phone.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: MissG on June 10, 2011, 07:35:53 AM
I wans´t there so i can´t tell, but to me looks odd that a plane flying that low would not make people look up before the explosion. Just right now a plane passed here and it´s very high and all the kids are looking up because the noise is very high. May be New Yorkers are used to high volume and did not mind a plane flying that low, but odd anyway.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: paula-c on July 14, 2011, 08:15:14 PM
Oculus, Jones/Ginzel (1998)
Location: Chambers Street/World Trade Center, Park Place

An artwork entitled Oculus (Eye) has been installed all over the Chambers Street/World Trade Center station complex. Created by Kristin Jones and Andrew Ginzel, Oculus consists of 300 different mosaic eyes, all based upon actual human eyes taken from photographs--not computer generated.

Oculus consists of 301 mosaic panels by artists Kristin Jones, Andrew Ginzel and Rinaldo Piras. The project presents the eyes of three hundred individual New Yorkers translated from a photographic study conducted by Jones/Ginzel into stone mosaic by the classically trained Piras. The centerpiece of the work is an elliptical glass and stone mosaic floor, with a magnificent micro mosaic eye at the center of an ultramarine vortex with the image of the City of New York woven into the picture. Source: italcultny.org.


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http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/artwork_show?28 (http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/artwork_show?28)
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: paula-c on July 14, 2011, 08:19:15 PM
Eye of Horus at Ground Zero WTC



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEqKrSwzDZI&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEqKrSwz ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEqKrSwzDZI&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Tink on December 30, 2011, 03:26:06 AM
The planes were flying LOW enough, to be picked up by the cellphone transmitters. I was working for a comic book studio who got a front view, to BOTH towers being hit!  :shock: Every once and awhile at the San Diego Comicon, some of the EDITORS will speak of it with me, and we still all have a drink to everyone lost.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: applehead250609 on December 30, 2011, 04:47:14 AM
The planes were flying LOW enough, to be picked up by the cellphone transmitters. I was working for a comic book studio who got a front view, to BOTH towers being hit!  :shock: Every once and awhile at the San Diego Comicon, some of the EDITORS will speak of it with me, and we still all have a drink to everyone lost.

Hello and welcome in HOAX LAND ,lol  lolol/   bearhug !!!!!
Are you really working at Comic-Con ,in San Diego   :?: ????? If you do than is COOL and you must be very talented  :mrgreen: !!!
Can you please elaborate what you said about "a Drink to everyone lost" ????? Thank's  :) !!
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Tink on December 30, 2011, 01:12:39 PM
Well, let's just say that I work in 3D Animation and comics. I'm a guest at Comicon, I don't work it. With my old editors, we drink to the people of the planes, and those who died at the Twin towers. They saw people jumping out the windows, just so their loved ones would find their bodies.

Many of my friends are now alcoholics, because of this - their lives were destroyed, by watching it. It was very, very real. No charges went off - that was the building and the fuel having it's last gasp, as it gave out. Too much weight. I'm not an architect, but I've spoken with many - and they said whereas the twins were easy to build, that's why they were taken down so easily.

Perhaps you should look into why the Iranians paid Osama to do it, as another theory?
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: applehead250609 on December 30, 2011, 06:41:09 PM
Well, let's just say that I work in 3D Animation and comics. I'm a guest at Comicon, I don't work it. With my old editors, we drink to the people of the planes, and those who died at the Twin towers. They saw people jumping out the windows, just so their loved ones would find their bodies.

Many of my friends are now alcoholics, because of this - their lives were destroyed, by watching it. It was very, very real. No charges went off - that was the building and the fuel having it's last gasp, as it gave out. Too much weight. I'm not an architect, but I've spoken with many - and they said whereas the twins were easy to build, that's why they were taken down so easily.

Perhaps you should look into why the Iranians paid Osama to do it, as another theory?

OMG are you serious   :shock: :( ???? Do you mean that they had some kind of shock by WATCHING ????
Forgive me but this is a very painful subject for me to talk,cause I feel kinda guilty sometimes.Spending my time here,makes me feel guilty sometimes and you can say that one of the reason is 911 Attacks .In my country and in the world ,are happening very serious stuff and looking at this hoax ,makes me wonder if this is not "a little baby" in comparision with other big problems in the world  :( .
The 911 are a MISTERY to me and I'm sure not only for me.Maybe people will hate me for what I'm gonna say right now but where in the heck were THE GODS when those people jumped out of the windows,WHERE  :x ???? Where in the heck are THE GODS ,when milions of people die of hunger,every minute??? Where in the heck are THE GODS when hundred of women are exploited and killed in Mexic,where  :x  :cry: ??? And the list can go on and on ..................


Only GOD will decide WHO WILL LIVE AND WHO WILL DIE !!!
This afirmation is so ,SO true that I want to SCREAM  /scream/  /scream/  !!!!!!
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Tink on December 30, 2011, 09:56:56 PM
God, or Gods, are waiting for us to stop hating one another, and help each other. Attacking each other is futile.

On the stranger side of the WTC: Why so few died? Because it was only half occupied. Most people had become telecommuters, working at home. Many of the offices lay vacant.

Stranger still? Why are there so many people, who were late for their flights, changed planes, or decided not to visit NYC that particular day at all? Jackie Chan was supposed to be shooting on top of one of the towers, and one of my friends was going to be there...so was an entire film crew!

Add at least 1,000 people who were saved, because they simply didn't go, plus those who telecommuted.

As for all the starving people in the world, you know you can donate to charities to help them, right? That's what Michael did, and it worked brilliantly!

I personally donate to charities that help those in need, regardless of religion and race. We also have so many talented and starving people in the USA right now, due to the NAFTA agreement, which began the destabilization in the creative fields. They spent so much money in college, only to find out they can't even work in McDonalds!
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on December 30, 2011, 11:39:01 PM
WTC COLLASPE WERE INSIDE JOB!!!  ATTACK ON AMEICA BY AMERICA!!  IT'S CALLED FALSE FLAG ATTACK. Bin Laden was NOT responsible for this attack. Our own government was responsible for the deaths of over 3000 people. Those are the murderers. Yes, I totally agree where is the GODS when these scum bags we call "government officials" are killing innocent people for greed, power & money. Bin Laden died in 2001-2002 of failed kidneys. His body had been on ice until the most opportune time to help a failing president. Well now was the time Obama has failed, lied, deceived every American to believe he "caught him on his watch".......BULL SH!T!!!!!  those towers went down from planted explosive, which has been proven for Thermalite, a highly explosive that would turn anything into dust powder. ( the following clipping was from Alex Jones) www.infowars.com

A Fox News hit piece against Jesse Ventura and the 9/11 truth movement written by former Washington D.C. prosecutor Jeffrey Scott Shapiro inadvertently reveals a shocking truth, that World Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein, who collected nearly $500 million dollars in insurance as a result of the collapse of Building 7, a 47-story structure that was not hit by a plane but collapsed within seven seconds on September 11, was on the phone to his insurance carrier attempting to convince them that the building should be brought down via controlled demolition.

Writing for Fox News, Jeffrey Scott Shapiro states, “I was working as a journalist for Gannett News at Ground Zero that day, and I remember very clearly what I saw and heard.”

“Shortly before the building collapsed, several NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein, the property developer of One World Financial Center was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building – since its foundation was already unstable and expected to fall.”

In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties’ estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. This building’s collapse alone resulted in a payout of nearly $500 million, based on the contention that it was an unforeseen accidental event.

“A controlled demolition would have minimized the damage caused by the building’s imminent collapse and potentially save lives. Many law enforcement personnel, firefighters and other journalists were aware of this possible option. There was no secret. There was no conspiracy,” writes Shapiro.

However, obviously aware of how it would impact his insurance claim, Larry Silverstein has consistently denied that there was ever a plan to intentionally demolish Building 7.

In June 2005, Silverstein told New York Post journalist Sam Smith that his infamous “pull it” comment, which has been cited as proof that Silverstein planned to take down the building with explosives, “meant something else”.

In January 2006, Silverstein’s spokesperson Dara McQuillan told the U.S. State Department that the “pull it” comment meant to withdraw firefighters from the building (despite the fact that there were no firefighters inside WTC 7 as we shall later cover). There was no mention whatsoever of any plan to demolish the building before it fell.

Shapiro’s faux pas has unwittingly let the cat out of the bag on the fact that Silverstein was aggressively pushing for the building to be intentionally demolished, a claim that he has always vociferously denied, presumably to safeguard against putting in doubt the massive insurance payout he received on the basis that the collapse was accidental.

For over five years since the infamous PBS documentary was aired in which Silverstein states that the decision was made to “pull” the building, a construction term for controlled demolition, debunkers have attempted to perform all kinds of mental gymnastics in fudging the meaning behind the WTC leaseholder’s comments.

“I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse,” said Silverstein.

Debunkers attempted to claim that Silverstein meant to “pull” the firefighters from the building due to the danger the structure was in, and this explanation was also later claimed by Silverstein’s spokesman, however, both the FEMA report, the New York Times and even Popular Mechanics reported that there were no firefighting actions taken inside WTC 7.

Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Tink on December 31, 2011, 06:14:42 AM
Riddle me this: did you ask all of those who were working in the sky rises, surrounding the WTC? I did, whom I knew. They aren't the same, never will be. You had to be there, to understand. Those of us sitting, watching via tv screen, didn't get the full impact.

There was one video, were some friends were videotaping it, and were trying to wish the second plane away.

You see, the towers were created to take a direct hit, but not to take the stress of that amount of heat, from the heat of the fuel. There's info from the architects themselves out, I needn't explain more.

I don't trust MEDIA, nor Jesse Ventura. That's a TV show, created to cause hype. I know what my friends saw - planes hitting, people jumping.

This is one conspiracy I don't bite. I do concur, that the towers weren't making the dough they used to, and needed the owner & renter to fill it more effectively.

I see no reason to quantify my reasoning. The answer is in the *BEAMS.*
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Grace on December 31, 2011, 07:10:44 AM
Who thinks that 9II was a foreign attack pls read here http://www.ae911truth.org/ (http://www.ae911truth.org/), here http://pilotsfor911truth.org/ (http://pilotsfor911truth.org/) and check out about Larry Silverstein leasing the buildings, insuring them and ordering to bring down building 7 which was not hit by a plane. Check out the security companies, business contacts to companies and countries, the strange events before 9II in the towers, the observations by employed staff and those of eye witnesses before they had access to media reports.

Maintaining / leasing WTC was an endless hole of lost money - read about the business aspects of it if you don't believe it. Controlled demolition as a de-investment being paid out of their own portemonnaie was way too costly. So blame it on somebody else and get it done while being covered by insurance - from a business point of view this sounds plausible if you don't care about human beings.

Business principle: making money takes place in purchase (least cost) not in sales (highest turnover).

Psychomotor - second achievement: traumatizing as many people as possible.
Why is it that 9II is the rescue call number in the U.S. and the date was chosen as 9II?

Pure evil on purpose and knowing about the repeated fearful mind re-programming of large parts of the U.S. population with each and every emergency thereafter.

Every time another "security law" is intended to deprive of more basic citizen rights, another "terrorist attack" will be invented. We face this fact everywhere now.
Is this a reason to fear or go desperate? NO.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on December 31, 2011, 06:30:48 PM
@tink....I know innocent people lost their lives. It sucks. There is toooo much information about 9-11 for people not to question the motives behind it. Those buildings were PULVERIZED TO DUST!! NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD HAVE A FIRE EVER MELTED STEEL. The jet fuel didn't cause the fire. Jet fuel was already burned off on impact. Once Americans come to realization that ALL the tragedies that have happened on American soil has been engeneered by design by AMERICA COPORATE SCUMBAGS. Once people realize that this is all happening by design.
Your friends lost friends and family due to corrupt or power and greed. it's not just 9-11. you have to examine what happened prior to 9-11. there is where the answers lay.

Silverstein who also was told that abestos was in the towers. what better way to blame it on another race & kill couple thousand people, but better yet, he just took care of his abestos problem. Butttttt........ have it insured by insurance company to cover against terrorists weeks prior to 9-11. Hell that's a triple bonus. SICK MINDED SCUM BAGS.

www.question911.com

Here are some issues about the September 11th attacks to consider:

World Trade Center Towers
Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel.
Footage shows explosives were placed in both towers before the attack to cause the towers to disintegrate into dust.
The towers fell exactly into their footprint, taking the path of most resistance in about 10 seconds, the same amount of time it takes an object to fall that distance in a vacuum.
The towers tossed massive steel beams 200 feet in each direction, too far to be explained by a gravity collapse.
Survivors and firefighters report explosions at the BASE of the WTC towers at the same time as the planes hit it - how did Osama do this?
Pools of molten metal were found 7 stories under the towers 6 weeks after the attack. It takes 3000+ degrees Fahrenheit to turn steel into liquid. Where did this energy come from?
The top of the south tower began to collapse sideways, then righted itself, falling into it's footprint. This is impossible with only gravity working to collapse the tower.

Building 7
It was a 47 story, steel-framed building that disintegrated later in the day, also from explosives. It was not hit by any planes. How did Osama pull this one off?
The 23rd floor was the Mayor’s "Emergency Command Center," a reinforced bunker which had its own air and water supply. Could this have been the command center for destroying the towers?
Pentagon
How does a 65 ton Boeing 757 with a 125 foot wingspan fit through a single 16 foot hole in the side of the Pentagon leaving virtually no wreckage?
There is no evidence of a Boeing 757, seats, wings, engines, luggage or the dead passengers at the Pentagon.
The Pentagon security video suggests a missile explosion rather than a jet fuel explosion.
There is a hole through 3 rings of the Pentagon, totaling 9 solid feet of steel reinforced concrete the object would have to penetrate, and experts believe this to be very unlikely.
The Planes
The planes that hit the WTC towers, from viewing the footage in slow motion, do not appear to be standard passenger jets.
What is the explosive flash on the side of the towers just before the planes penetrate the buildings?
With Flight 93, the reported flight of the "Lets Roll" heroes, wreckage was strewn 8 miles from the crash site when this plane was reported to be "ditched" in Pennsylvania. How is that possible?
At least 8 of the reported 19 "hijackers" are still alive, as reported by the UK Guardian Newspaper.
There are no Arab names on ANY of the passenger lists for the 4 hijacked flights.
There is no video showing the "hijackers" boarding any of the planes, only fuzzy security footage from Logan Airport for a connecting flight.
Cellular phone calls are nearly impossible in flight above 8000 feet as cell phones have low power and cell towers point downwards.
A physics professor at Brigham Young University has published a paper concluding that available evidence indicates that the World Trade Center towers were demolished by explosives (pdf). 60 of his fellow professors agree with his analysis and are simply calling for more investigation, as we are. Is that too much to ask?

Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: MissG on January 01, 2012, 07:05:04 PM
I will read the sites posted.

Imo, the architect of the towers needed to save his back so he would have a good argument of why the towers went down in such way. 911 was a terror attack to the economy of USA, as a symbol of hurting the economical power.

Still that attack is remembered, as Hiroshima still is, or all the Iraki & Afgans civilians killed.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on January 02, 2012, 08:22:18 PM
@MISSG.....

I totally agree all the innocent people who died because our government officials are SCUM BAGS!!!     9-11 was an ATTACK ON AMERICA BY AMERICA!!!   Everyone that perished that day should be remembered. But the ones responsible for that attack....OUR OWN GOVERNMENT.........should be held responsible. It's not fair!!
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Aidan_81 on January 03, 2012, 08:33:10 AM
Don't you guys see, they now blame Iran. After they are done with Iran [that gonna be scary], they
can move to any other country using same or similar made-up excuse [they will, wait and see, still several countries of interest exist and reasons are/were always made up].
At the end of the day, it can be my country among others, as I know it still annoys
those behind American government and owns a lot of oil and other handy stuff. But
ours is for dessert, at first they'll try to ruin it from within once again. Well, they
never stopped trying in fact.

I totally believe most "terrorist attacks", especially bigger ones, especially ones
happened before say elections or big wars, were created by people behind governments of
"attacked" [and better armed] country. And at the end it's all about money. Money=power=control.
Be it oil money, opium or anything else. Rearranging things, creating instability outside your country also
gives much control and distraction. America is in the nice position as all the "fun" happens
on another continent, many people don't even know where on the map next "funny place" is. Like
on another planet, eh? If it was next door, it won't be so "irrelevant" to many. You see,
real chance of being really bombed again and again, hundreds of thousands of truly desperate truly angry
refugees who don't speak your language nor have desire to assimilate peacefully into your
 country are so not fun. 
Iran thing freaks me out as we'll be getting those refugees and the country is not
really ready for that. And here on another side of the planet we are shown more of what's really
going on in "now free!" countries after NATO was there.
That's why I cry for Americans to STOP supporting wars and mass murder
their government starts like every year. Don't you see they fool you into supporting them in
their crimes, into not questioning their actions.  :| They trick you again and again. Using same plot.
I know it won't be friendly to people protesting against war, those who know history
understand to what extent... Yes, saying "No" to wars is dangerous, life threatening. But
how else all the violence can be stopped  :cry: wish I had simple answers.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: MFFreedom on January 03, 2012, 10:06:04 AM
Riddle me this: did you ask all of those who were working in the sky rises, surrounding the WTC? I did, whom I knew. They aren't the same, never will be. You had to be there, to understand. Those of us sitting, watching via tv screen, didn't get the full impact.

There was one video, were some friends were videotaping it, and were trying to wish the second plane away.

You see, the towers were created to take a direct hit, but not to take the stress of that amount of heat, from the heat of the fuel. There's info from the architects themselves out, I needn't explain more.

I don't trust MEDIA, nor Jesse Ventura. That's a TV show, created to cause hype. I know what my friends saw - planes hitting, people jumping.

This is one conspiracy I don't bite. I do concur, that the towers weren't making the dough they used to, and needed the owner & renter to fill it more effectively.

I see no reason to quantify my reasoning. The answer is in the *BEAMS.*


It's perfectly OK to believe the fuel was the reason. But I take it you believing it because that's the official version. Let me politely ask you to take a different view for once? It's not about conspiracy. And just because someone names it 'conspiracy' doesn't mean it's not or there's not a sinister plan behind it. We have been terrorised every since when flying. Everytime we fly we are presumed to be criminals by default > see these so called security checkpoints on airports. How about the employee paths to infiltrate hijackers or others. We are constantly being criminalised - and we do nothing but just want to take a trip to somewhere. I agree with you not trusting Jesse Ventura or others. That's why I look at what I SEE and try to use my brain. And with those towers ... hello?! The official version IS a lie. Period.

However I want to make it clear that I do see that a lot of people are shocked at what happened. I can empathize with them and my heart does go out to each and every one. But this side of the medal musn't overlap what is a lie.

I am 100% sure these buildings were built super solid. No way the heat could have  brought down both building the way they fell down. And both the same way.  WTF??
And how weird is it that the second (hit) tower 'fell' before the first tower that was hit? That disqualifies the heat reasoning, aka official version,  by default. The max that should have happened when believing the official version  :roll: should have been that the top would sink in and MAYBE parts of the top right above the crash site falling down. But 2 buildings crashing the same way like in a controlled demolition just because both were hit by planes ...  by free fall speed WTF?? I've spoken to guys who do controlled demolitions and they all said, these buildings came down via controlled demoliton. Just look at the steel colossuses which have magically been 'cut' just the way demoliton experts place thermite on stell. You get the details on that with the movie 'Zeitgeist' which is on this forum somewhere. I highly recommend it. And on a side note, no way the heat was able to go down all the way to the ground floor in such a short time.  WTF?? Thermite is way hotter than jet fuel.
And yet on another side note: I spoke to an airline pilot instructor while making a flight simulation on a boing 737 - he said, he and his collegues tried many times what so called trainee pilots allegedly accomplished - with no success. He said neither he nor other of his pilot friends could hit the towers. 

Oh, yeah. And some of those suicide hijackers are still alive ....  michael-jackson/


PS: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Tink on January 03, 2012, 11:56:01 AM
THe Iranian Mafia (now involved in Hollywood), HIRED Osama bin Laden. Someone TRIED to warn everyone...an Irish Princess and an American King.
As the story goes, the Iranian Mafia weedled their way into owning a nice chunk of almost every high rise, in almost every major city in the USA. If they couldn't keep it full, then it would be torn down into strip malls and a different type of work tower scenario.

Osama bin Laden's family were architects - they knew how buildings were constructed, and the most feasible way to tear them down. WTC was with two fuel laden planes. They weren't constructed the NORMAL WAY! They came down from the INSIDE OUT. Do your research on how they were constructed. The weight wasn't distributed like a normal building, ie, all over. It was between the central banks of elevators, and then the outer walls. What made them so easy to put up, was also their bane.

It was realized, before the US invaded Iraq, that it was indeed correctly, Iran's trillion - TRILLION DOLLAR deep pockets via their Mafia here, that took it down. There were no charges set, that was the internal pancaking of the floors, unfortunately.

So whether the little bit is true on the two top people is true or not, who knows? But it's been obvious from the get go, that Iraq had nothing to do with this - but their neighbor.

I do believe bin Laden was behind it, but he wasn't the only one. This has been thus the one theory that's made more sense: towers half empty, waste of money. More lives were saved than lost, mysteriously.

Jackie Chan's shoot was canceled for that day on top of one of the Towers, Michael's visit was canceled, and so was this alleged woman's, and many, many others.

I don't believe in coincidences. But I also don't believe our own government murdered thousands of people, destroyed NYC, threw dangerous dust into the air. Also, ramming a plane into the new part of the Pentagon? Well, these people sure made a statement to the world: we were not prepared.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on January 04, 2012, 12:41:13 PM
@tink........



Sealed Lies, Sealed Lips: SEAL Team 6 Dies, But Their Legend Survives


The fraudulent War on Terror is one long, mad nightmare that never ends. The monstrous traitors who have seized Washington from the American people create one big lie after another to try to cover up the big truth that the entire war on terrorism is a grand, historical hoax.

Psychological warfare makes up ninety nine percent of the war on terror. Most of the propaganda and psy-op operations by the CIA, Mossad, MI6 and the Pentagon are directed against the American people and people of other countries who mindlessly believe everything they’re told.

The Bin Laden myth was created to provide an ideological function in the war on terror, and to get people to believe in a big boogeyman.

Bin Laden did not do 9/11. And he was not assassinated by SEAL Team 6 (although, they are more than capable of killing any real enemy to America’s existence anywhere on earth).

Bin Laden died early in the war on terror. Dr. Steve Pieczenik, who served as a top counter-terrorist officer in the American government,told the Alex Jones show in May that Bin Laden died in late 2001/early 2002. Other government experts from around the world have confirmed this claim. It is not a conspiracy theory. It is the truth.

But Bin Laden’s real death couldn’t be publicly announced to the world by the traitors who control the U.S. government because the war on terror would lose popular legitimacy if that fact was common knowledge. So, the U.S. empire kept alive this mythic enemy in the collective global consciousness for a decade – a myth that the Bush administration/Israel/Neocons created out of whole cloth to satisfy the need for an enemy.

But, as new fronts in the war on terror began to open up (Syria, Libya, Iran) the CIA and Pentagon figured they could politically boost Obama’s abysmal poll numbers by saying he “ordered” a special NAVY seals team to kill Bin Laden and bring home the ultimate war trophy to the American people.

The staged announcement of Bin Laden’s fake death served two goals. 1) Turn Obama into a competent commander in chief to hide the fact that he is really a spineless slave and a traitor, and 2) Flip the script in the war on terror, where it is no longer about getting Al Qaeda but getting “state-sponsors” of terror like Syria, Iran, and Pakistan.

II. Closure of The Bin Laden Legend: When a Storybook Ending is Just Another Episode in The Ongoing Horror Show That is The War on Terror

I don’t know what to make of the news that members of SEAL Team 6 were killed in an attack on their helicopter in Afghanistan. It is either a totally fake story, or these soldiers were murdered by the shadow U.S. government because they knew too much like Pat Tillman (RIP).

I have read a lot of point of views on various comment sections on different sites, and one point that keeps coming up is that it is impossible for 20 highly-trained elite NAVY seals to be in the same helicopter at once. One NAVY Seals is like 10 regular soldiers, so it makes sense that they travel in smaller units.

We cannot take anything at face value because everything that the shadow government in Washington sells to the American people and the world is a lie. This whole war on terror is a war on reality and real history. The last ten years has been full of military legends and psy-op hoaxes.

There is the 9/11 legend, the Bin Laden legend, the Jessica Lynch legend, the Pat Tillman legend, the SEAL Team 6 legend, and on and on. The next thing they’ll say is Bin Laden rose from the grave like Jesus of Nazareth to attack America in a nuclear showdown.

This whole world is so crazy. All we know for certain is that: A) Bin Laden was not responsible for the 9/11 attacks, B) He died long before May 2011, and C) The war on terror was never about getting Al Qaeda, which is a non-existent terrorist organization.

III. The American Soldier: A Conned Pawn, A Loyal Patriot, A Noble Warrior

Paul Craig Roberts has written a very informative article on August 6 about Bin Laden’s fake assassination called, “Pakistan TV Report Contradicts US Claim of Bin Laden’s Death”:

In my recent article, “Creating Evidence Where There Is None,” about the alleged killing of Osama bin Laden by a commando team of US Seals in Abbottabad, Pakistan, I provided a link to a Pakistani National TV interview with Muhammad Bashir, who lives next door to the alleged “compound” of Osama bin Laden. I described the story that Bashir gave of the “attack” and its enormous difference from the one told by the US government.

In Bashair’s account, every member of the landing party and anyone brought from the house died when the helicopter exploded on lift-off.

Gordon Duff, senior editor of Veterans Today, also says that members of a US Seals team were killed in the covert operation in Abbottabad, Pakistan. Duff writes in his article, “Breaking News: “Bin Laden” Heroes Probably Murderered to Keep Them Quiet”:

What we can easily surmise is that some of the dead have been dead since their bodies were taken away from the helicopter crash site in Abbotabad.

Duff also writes:

Al Qaeda has never existed, there are no magic worldwide terror conspiracies other than those run by governments.

Aaron Dykes & Alex Jones write in their article, “Deaths of SEAL Team 6 Exposed”:

Whatever the true story, one thing is clear: dead men tell no tales. The inconvenient truth is that governments throughout history have disposed of heroes, covert troops and special forces to keep the real story from coming out. Helicopter and plane crashes have been one of the favorite methods for tying up these loose ends.

The so-called death of SEAL Team 6 reminds me of the film ‘Clear and Present Danger,’ with Harrison Ford playing CIA analyst Jack Ryan, a character who is based on a real American hero, Dr. Steve Pieczenik. In the film, a secret American military unit is sent to Colombia to fight drug cartels, but is then set up and left behind to die by the double-crossing White House.

The film is more true to life than anything that is put on mainstream television news. The fact that American soldiers are treated like dirt by the evil traitors who run the White House, CIA, Pentagon and the Council of Foreign Relations is a crime and a tragedy.

The political scum that has risen in Washington are abusing and exploiting the sacred spirit of the warrior. The victims of their false and evil wars are the sacrificial pawns in the American military and NATO, as well as the people of Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, America, and other countries that are under attack.

Dr. Pieczenik addressed American soldiers and America’s military leaders on the Alex Jones in May, telling them that they should re-examine the orders that they get from Washington and reflect on what’s good for America, not what’s good for presidents and politicians. Pieczenik said:

“I have the greatest respect for our military men, and I’m saying this to you: the Generals, the Colonels, the Majors, and the Captains. I’ve been lecturing at the War College every year. Be careful of the orders you receive from civilian presidents.

I say it again, and listen to me. Beware of the orders that you receive from civilian presidents like Bush, Clinton, and Obama. Particularly, presidents who have never served in a war and do not know what the consequences of a war are, and the number of men and women who die bravely for our country and our cause because some civilian has to manipulate his political career at the expense of the American public and at the expense of the bodies, and the blood and guts of our warriors who are so important to us.”



IV. Rewind and Remind: How We Will Win The Battle For The Mind of The 21st Century

It is so important that we always go back to Ground Zero, the 9/11 site, and begin the truth-telling from there. We have to remind people again and again that the official story about 9/11 is a giant lie and that the real attackers struck America from inside the Mossad, CIA, Bush administration, and the U.S. shadow government.

The enemies of the truth, freedom and peace know the technique of repetition very well. They repeat lies until they sink in the public consciousness. They have no pity, no mercy, no remorse, no conscience. Barack Obama, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Bill Clinton, and George H. W. Bush represent the audacity of psychopaths. They are born liars.

But they are not good at lying. Guilty is written on their face. Evil drips down their necks.

And because of their evil and treason, American soldiers are being unjustly demonized for doing what they’re supposed to: kill the enemies of America (as they know them to be).

What American soldiers are not told in military boot camp, and what the American people are not told, is that the enemies of America today are the traitors and state terrorists in Washington and Israel, not the make-believe terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq.

An informed, aware and outspoken American soldier is the greatest enemy of the corrupt new world order, the fraudulent war on terror, and the traitors in Washington like Obama, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.

Those on the inside who know what is going on and step up to do something about it are targeted for assassination. As journalist Wayne Madsen writes on the Wayne Madsen Report:


Navy SEAL Team 6 members and others killed in Afghanistan chopper crash. “U.S. officials say they believe that none of those who died in the crash participated in the bin Laden raid but were from the same unit that carried out the bin Laden mission.” Either way, the SEALS would have known about the hoax Bin Laden assassination — another Hollywood drama brought to the world by Obama’s spinners of fiction. The SEALS were safer in Abbotabad on their staged mission than they are in fending off the CIA hit teams that will eliminate all of them until there are no more witnesses left.

The highest duty that we infosoldiers can perform is to destroy the false legends, bury the big lies, and raise the truths from obscurity and oblivion.

This is our duty. This is our mission.

Always remember this fact: innocent men, women and children are dying in this false and evil war on terror.
The American soldiers are victims. The NATO soldiers are victims. The people of Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan are victims. The American people are victims. The truth is a victim. Freedom is being crushed to dust. Humanity is being destroyed. And all because of the 9/11 attacks.

We are experiencing spiritual madness and undergoing mass cultural and political brainwashing. And it must be stopped.

Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on January 04, 2012, 12:53:20 PM
How The 'Problem-Reaction-Solution' Paradigm Works
For those not familiar with FALSE FLAG ATTACKS.....including 9-11

1. The government creates or exploits a problem then attributes blame to others

2. The populace react by asking the government for protection and help

3. The government offers the solution that was planned long before the crisis

Outcome: Rights and liberties are exchanged for the illusion of protection and help

Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: applehead250609 on January 04, 2012, 09:47:58 PM
Quote
Posted by: Tink
« on: December 31, 2011, 02:12:39 AM »
Perhaps you should look into why the Iranians paid Osama to do it, as another theory?

I don't know what to think really but maybe Aidan_81 is right(and they really want to blame Iran-what a coincidence ,no?  :shock: ) ,cause here are some FRESH news about 9/11 attacks and Iran  :shock: :? !!!!!

"Attorneys emerging from federal court claim victory after making a case that Iran was linked to the 9/11 attacks."

Attorneys: Iran linked to 9/11 attacks
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyLZPZ0Mi-E[/youtube]
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on January 04, 2012, 10:44:16 PM
The quicker people realize 9-11 was inside job, it will make anything you ever hear of any false flag so much easier to believe. THE USA ATTACKED USA!! When Americans come to that truth, trust me you will be kicking yourself as to how you believed the LIES for so long.!
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Tink on February 08, 2012, 05:15:59 AM
People were warned back in the mid to late '90s, about the WTC. Even Michael, from the Iranian Mafia. I don't know how much more clearly I can say this. Even "I" knew - but no one was listening, for they were part owners of the WTC, and many other tall buildings!
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: annieareyouokannie on February 08, 2012, 06:03:25 AM
I just want to know where are the pasengers of the planes that are meant to have
perished, if they were not standard passenger planes?
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: diggyon on February 08, 2012, 07:00:20 AM
I just want to know where are the pasengers of the planes that are meant to have
perished, if they were not standard passenger planes?

Gone with the wind my dear!!!!!!


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Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Sarahli on February 08, 2012, 08:26:03 AM
I thought it was Iraq who did 9/11? Well that's the excuse they gave back in the day to destroy the country. Now it's Iran? I don't know if I must laugh or cry.

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5367
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: diggyon on February 08, 2012, 12:06:54 PM
I thought it was Iraq who did 9/11? Well that's the excuse they gave back in the day to destroy the country. Now it's Iran? I don't know if I must laugh or cry.

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5367

Cry, my dear!!! :P :P :P :P

I guess the whole Middle East will be turned up side down. Now it's Syrias turn....

Anyway, this reminds me of as song by ABBA called "Soldiers":

Do I hear what I think I'm hearing?
Do I see the signs I think I see?
Or is this just a fantasy?
Is it true that the beast is waking
Stirring in his restless sleep tonight
In the pale moonlight
In the grip of this cold December
You and I have reason to remember


Chorus

Soldiers write the songs that soldiers sing
The songs that you and I don't sing
They blow their horns and march along
They drum their drums and look so strong
You'd think that nothing in the world was wrong
Soldiers write the songs that soldiers sing
The songs that you and I won't sing
Let's not look the other way
Taking a chance
'Cause if the bugler starts to play
We too must dance

What's that sound, what's that dreadful rumble?
Won't somebody tell me what I hear?
In the distance but drawing near
Is it only a storm approaching?
All that thunder and the blinding light
In the winter night
In the grip of this cold December
You and I have reason to remember

chorus
Soldiers write the songs that soldiers sing
The songs that you and I don't sing
They blow their horns and march along
They drum their drums and look so strong
You'd think that nothing in the world was wrong
Soldiers write the songs that soldiers sing
The songs that you and I won't sing
Let's not look the other way
Taking a chance
'Cause if the bugler starts to play
We too must dance

chorus
Soldiers write the songs that soldiers sing
The songs that you and I won't sing
Let's not look the other way
Taking a chance
'Cause if the bugler starts to play
We too must dance

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH2lJ2TC90M[/youtube]


Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: AKHTONI on February 08, 2012, 12:16:45 PM
I thought it was Iraq who did 9/11? Well that's the excuse they gave back in the day to destroy the country. Now it's Iran? I don't know if I must laugh or cry.

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5367
Cry because This is the end of the world  errrr  errrr
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: gwynned on February 08, 2012, 01:44:28 PM
Back to the original point of this thread.....that there WERE NO PLANES!!!!.....here's a link to an extended analysis, with compelling evidence, of this theory. 

http://www.septemberclues.info/

As an aside, I find it interesting that on this forum we would still have so many comments based solely on 'belief.'  For example, comments like, 'I'm not an architect, but I believe the twin towers came down because....'  I believe in magic too, but when it comes to something like this, we need to rely on EVIDENCE.

It will blow you away.  If you haven't had enough after this, they've exposed numerous other potential 'hoaxes', my most recent favorite being that Lee Harvey Oswald was never shot!  I guess that's why they put it on TV.

http://cluesforum.info/viewforum.php?f=25
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on February 08, 2012, 08:51:24 PM
AMEN!!!!  Someone else's KNOWS 9-11 WAS TOTALLY INSIDE JOB! OUR OWN GOVERNMENT ARE MURDERERS. There has been so much brought to the Warren Commission saying thier official story is BULL SHIT!! but mainstream media whores WON'T even touch that subject. They can't. Because our mainstream media is bought & paid for by the same murderers of 9-11. And any loose ends of survivors disputing 9-11, magically disappear, or get killed "accidently".  Look it up American's. The truth can't get any closer..
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: MJonmind on February 11, 2012, 05:26:50 AM
I thought it was Iraq who did 9/11? Well that's the excuse they gave back in the day to destroy the country. Now it's Iran? I don't know if I must laugh or cry.

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5367 (http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5367)


Thanks Sarahli, it's a very good article!  There really should be a thread on the evils perpetrated by Zionists (International Jews), including WW1, WW2, the 'Holocaust', the Ukranian Holocaust, Palestinian conflict, and the many other atrocities purpetrated by them in this century alone. Their list of evils is as long as the Vatican's-- well they likely have a history together, and they do. And they are best buddies in the Revelation scenario.  And somehow they've fooled the world into thinking they are God's chosen people.  They were some of the biggest slave ship-owners herding the true Israelites to slavery and their deaths, and trying to force them to forget who they really were, their language, and their names, building America with their free labor.  But it's all part of God's script.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: MJonmind on February 11, 2012, 05:35:51 AM
Just as 911 gave Bush the public's support to invade Iraq, this might be a similar tactic for the next target Iran. Sorry it's off topic a little. :oops:
Still following up on Sarahli's comment.


"Bombs away: explode a nuke in Israel then blame it on the Iranians?
By Richard Cottrell

Contributing writer for End the Lie (http://endthelie.com/)
If an attack on Iran is to carry traction with world public opinion, there must be definite proof that she plans to wipe Israel from the face of the earth.
A nuclear weapon exploding somewhere inside Israel in the next few months, allegedly fired by the Iranians, would seem to provide all the necessary grounds for massive retaliation.
(http://endthelie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Iran-and-Israel-300x225.jpg)

The US/Israeli problem rests on the plain fact that not everybody is convinced that Iran seeks nuclear weapons. Or, even allowing this, she would then undertake an insane mission to use them on Israel, thus ensuring a massive counter strike.
We are back to the weapons of mass destruction fable which led to the disastrous invasion of Iraq.
In any event, is the regime in Iran actually that stupid? Israel has at least fifty warheads capable of hitting Iran, her cities and oilfields. A first strike by Iran would simply ensure that Iran herself was wiped off the map.

The logic is so obvious, why does anyone believe the war talk coming out of Washington and Israel, not to mention a score of Western capitals?
American spinners are careful to concentrate on bunker-busting bombs to wreck underground facilities associated with the nuclear program. This would avoid civilian casualties, or at least largely so. Job done then?

Not quite. In fact, not at all. As with the last western-inspired overthrow of an Iranian regime back in 1953, the real issue is the country’s huge oil reserves.
Sixty years ago the government of the aristocratic, deeply conservative Dr. Mohammad Mosaddegh was taken out because he picked a fight with the Anglo Iranian Oil Company. The dispute was rooted in the Iranian conviction they were being ruthlessly cheated on fair distribution of revenues.
Mosaddegh nationalized the company, Britain’s most precious overseas asset. The US and the UK then spread the false alarm that the Soviets would be invited take over its activities.

The CIA-inspired Operation Ajax then sprang into action. The Iranian government was wrecked by a huge urban guerilla campaign costing millions of dollars even in those times.
Much of the money went on recruiting and arming violent mobs of demonstrators. The weak constitutional monarch, Mohammad Reza Shah Pevlavi, was then levered into power as a puppet of western interests.

The Anglo Iranian Oil Company became British Petroleum. Game, set and match.
Iran’s passion to acquire nuclear weapons is the cover story that conceals the west’s real interests in Iran. As before, this scrap is all about oil.
Blowing up Iran’s nuclear facilities will leave large holes in the ground but the government intact. Indeed, such attacks would almost certainly harden public support for the west’s great boogeyman President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the conservative clerics who are the real power in the land.
If US policy is to stir internal rebellion to permit an Ajax-style coup, they will be sorely disappointed.

It is correct that many Iranians would indeed prefer a more western, relaxed liberal style of government. Sanctions are having a serious impact on the wealthier, mainly secular classes. The restless envy the freedoms of their western counterparts. Restrictions on foreign travel are more than just irritating. They are bad for trade and business in an ancient trading nation.
But an apparently popular revolt, even with all the means at the of western !important]intelligence
, will not be quite so easily accomplished this time around.
Nobody in Iran wants another colonial imposed Shah.

I am quite sure that the increasing internal disturbances inside Iran are part and parcel of a grand destabilization exercise, the opening stages of Operation Ajax Mark Two. But in themselves they are very little more than pinpricks.
There is no obvious indication that they are having any impact on public opinion. Anyway, all Iranians suspect that the real game is oil grabbing. History is their guide after all.

They are not sure that finding themselves in another dystopian American colony, like Iraq and Afghanistan, is such an appealing prospect. American soldiers and lawless “contractors” are their own ambassadors.
In any event, to secure control of the Iranian oil fields, the west must either a pliant government or invade. An invasion is always far easier if the country’s national infrastructure is first obliterated.
The perfect excuse might be a nuclear detonation on Israeli soil. There are portents of this grim possibility.
Recent mysterious explosions in sites reputed to house finished nuclear warheads are blamed by western and especially Israeli intelligence on failed attempts to cap missiles with nuclear warheads (http://endthelie.com/2011/11/13/israeli-intelligence-website-claims-explosions-in-iran-caused-by-failed-attempt-to-affix-nuclear-warhead-to-shahab-3-missile/).

Storyline: Iran is already preparing to arm missiles and then use them against Israel.
This incredible nonsense duly made its unquestioned way to all the corporate headline spinners.
If the intention is to let off an Israeli nuclear weapon, say somewhere in the remote Sinai Desert and then blame it on Iran, then this would be no more than a modern variation on the ancient history of war.

The Israelis would posture in the classic position of the injured party that struck back with a massive conventional response, aided by the US, instead of revealing the existence of her own ultra-secret nuclear armoury.
With Iran suitably smashed up, the conditions are ripe for ground occupation of key points – such as the oil fields.

The new IAEA report that Iran will soon be a nuclear state has raised the alarm, although it is such a remarkable reversal of previous agency statements it seems to rank as propaganda produced by long distance arm-twisting from Washington.
However, there are interesting clues of internal friction. Elements of the intelligence services, Mossad and Shin Bet, are demonstrably nervous.
Meir Dagan and Ephraim Halevy, both former heads of Mossad, have spoken out openly against attacking Iran. They question why a country that gets billions from the US taxpayer every year to defend itself is at any serious risk from Iran.

Why should attacking Iran provoke such uncertainties in unlikely quarters? Could it be the prospect of the mother and father of all 9/11′s?  The military are also disturbed about something, when normally they would go after Iran like greyhounds on steroids.
Netanyahu has problems concerning Iran within his own cabinet. Thousands have protested outside the Likud party’s headquarters at slippage into a protofascist state which proposes draconian clamping down on free speech. Israel is disturbed and unsettled. Iran hangs over everything, like a bleak thundercloud.

Israel has a long history of blaming responsibility for incoming missiles on the Hamas authorities in Gaza, or Hezbollah when they come from the direction of Lebanon.
This is simply a matter of record. Israel has attacked her own citizens, like NATO’s secret Gladio armies attacked European citizens during the “years of lead” of the 70s and 80s in order to scare voters away from Left wing parties. Gangs of urban Marxist guerillas, surreptitiously steered by intelligence interlopers, duly got the blame.

The claim that Iran is arming missiles to attack Israel now should be judged in the same light. Yet once the idea is successfully planted, opportunity beckons. I sincerely hope that I am wrong.

Richard Cottrell is a writer, journalist and former European MP (Conservative). His new book Gladio: NATO’s Dagger At The Heart Of Europe (http://www.progressivepress.com/book-listing/gladio-natos-dagger-heart-europe) is coming in January of 2012 from Progressive Press (http://www.progressivepress.com/)."
http://endthelie.com/2011/11/24/bombs-away-explode-a-nuke-in-israel-then-blame-it-on-the-iranians/#axzz1m4HFNEHr (http://endthelie.com/2011/11/24/bombs-away-explode-a-nuke-in-israel-then-blame-it-on-the-iranians/#axzz1m4HFNEHr)
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Sarahli on February 11, 2012, 06:19:34 PM
Thank you MJonmind, interesting article.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/392862_285553968146166_159124017455829_962922_1911622705_n.jpg)
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: AKHTONI on February 24, 2012, 10:20:03 AM
Just as 911 gave Bush the public's support to invade Iraq, this might be a similar tactic for the next target Iran. Sorry it's off topic a little. :oops:
Still following up on Sarahli's comment.

And now the son of Oliver Stone, Sean Stone, supports Iran's nuclear program.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/120214/sean-stone-oliver-stone-son-embraces-islam

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1463285197001/oliver-stones-son-sean-stone-converts-to-islam-in-iran/
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 01, 2012, 08:33:19 PM
http://youtu.be/1rSJZqMwNoY


The Toronto Hearings on 9/11: Uncovering Ten Years of Deception — Trailer
         

911 Blogger
March 27, 2012

FYI! Here’s the trailer for the new comprehensive DVD covering the Toronto Hearings on 9/11 from this past September, which brought together expert witnesses to present evidence contrary to the official story to a distinguished panel, who will draft a report based on the evidence submitted.



Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Tink on April 02, 2012, 03:56:19 AM
Then explain to ME, how my editors at Topps (yes, the trading card company), SAW TWO PLANES HIT THE FRIGGIN' Twins! THEY SAW and HEARD them hit, and it haunts them to this very day. They had a front row seat from their office building, and it's BURNED into their very souls to this day!

Yes - I did Bazooka Joe, the little Bubble Gum cartoons, wrapped around the gum. That is how Michael initially got wind of my art, and how HE became my number one fan - because I'd dropped off art at Larry Parker's in Beverly Hills, of the Bazooka Joe characters eating there.

You tell ME how my Editors and the other employees saw and heard the planes hit! It's quite difficult to fool artists and writers, especially when they have front seats to world class disaster! You sure can't tell me they didn't see it, because I heard about it - and still hear about it. No projections, or any bs - it was real. If you wish to fool yourself, I can't do anything about it.

No; I've never thought Iraq was behind it. That's another story - I'd also warned that if we invaded Iraq without WMDs, that it would "Become our Vietnam," I was completely against it.

Syria feels that no one will stop them, that's crimes against humanity. They need humanitarian aid, it's a complete Catch-22.
Iran feels that they can also do whatever they want, and the country has gone backwards ever since the Shah of Iran took control while I was in High School.

These are all separate issues; do not roll them all into one ball of wax.

America cannot be the "Boy Scout," and solve the world's woes. That's why we have the UN, which is supposed to help render Humanitarian Aid.

Unfortunately, all systems of help are flawed.

Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 03, 2012, 04:27:08 PM
9-11 was the "gateway" to the freedoms of all American's. Whether or not people want to admit it or not.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 03, 2012, 04:31:33 PM
Alex Jones has put out an offer of $10,000 to anyone that can prove that 9-11 WAS NOT AN INSIDE JOB!!

Not one person has ever took him up on his offer. HHHHHmmmmmmm.....Wonder Why???
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Tink on April 03, 2012, 05:07:42 PM
Alex Jones has put out an offer of $10,000 to anyone that can prove that 9-11 WAS NOT AN INSIDE JOB!!

Not one person has ever took him up on his offer. HHHHHmmmmmmm.....Wonder Why???

Because "PROOF" is subjective. Prove to me, that you're not a figment of my imagination, and not part of some online internet game! Sure; you can post photos, but that doesn't mean anything, for computer programs can grab many photos, correct?

Prove to me, that God exists! I KNOW God and his angels are real, yet what proof is there? There's ONE video tape in existence now, of a miracle.

No one takes Alex Jones seriously, because he has stacked his deck in his favor - that's the real truth. He's learned how to manipulate people on the highest level, and is reaping what he's sown, lol. Let people believe whatever they want - after all, God gave people free choice, did He not?

Most MENSA level people see him as an idiot, and not worth their time, when the world needs to be saved! $10,000 isn't worth the time.

As for Rand and his "psychic" test for money also? How can a psychic tell what's in the envelop WHEN IT IS EMPTY!?  :LolLolLolLol:
Hope he's enjoyed his prank. No real psychic will come forth, for they don't wish to be caught, and used.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Sarahli on April 03, 2012, 05:54:05 PM
9-11 was the "gateway" to the freedoms of all American's. Whether or not people want to admit it or not.

Yes indeed, all freedoms are being stolen as we speak and not just in the USA but everywhere. 9/11 opened the "gates of Hell" I want to say because ever since we are hearing of wars and rumors of wars. The never-ending "war on terror". And now countries are being invaded under the guise of humanitarianism.

We do not necessarily need this Alex Jones person to know that something is not right in what happened that day. A lot of people have compiled evidence proving that the official story is -- bogus, to say the least. One doesn't need to be an engineer to understand that according to certain laws of physics these towers could not have fallen at free speed as they did without there being professionnal material used for controlled demolition. Let's not even talk about the collapse of building 7 which has not even been hit by a plane......................

Anyone who takes a minimum of time to investigate this, should come up with the conclusion that something isn't right with the official story.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ANhpDyLZf4[/youtube]
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Sarahli on April 03, 2012, 06:00:19 PM
Oh and talking about God, there is always 2 sides in a story like this. We will all agree to say that God could have prevented this to happen? Yes. So why did God let the devil operate this? There is a lesson to learn as well in my opinion and we must look at what these towers represent. They represent money and power and it could well be a warning from God too because the people love money and power too much. It's time for a change.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 03, 2012, 06:01:03 PM
C'mon Tink, really to go into "proof" definition wasn't I feel needed.

People have to use common sense, & when a "conspiracy" so called sticks & doesn't go away, it's because there is truth to the lies we've been told.

Thousands of innocent people we're MIURDERED on 9-11, who's going to be held responsibile for those deaths?
Again, you have to understand what took place 'BEFORE 9-11. not AFTER 9-11.

I won't go into on this forum. But the truth is there. I won't be blind-sided by the lies that have been told, if you really feel Tink that 9-11 was really an outside terriorists besides our US government, then you'll keep believing the lies. Which is what you choose to do.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 03, 2012, 06:12:50 PM
Sarahli .....

Yes, building don't free fall at 6.5 seconds for building 7-which your right was NEVER hit by a plane. And the other towers in less than 9 seconds, to fall completely in it's own footprint. Never in the HISTORY OF TH WORLD,  has steel ever been pulverized to dust. So you mean to tell me just those 3 buildings "happen" to fall at free fall speed, & fall in it's own footprint, & the big bonus.........all comes down to dust. And if people paid attention to when the buildings actually fall, notice how the explosions are happening & being pushed outward before the layers of the floors are actually collasping.

CONTROLLED DEMOLITION!!!!
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 03, 2012, 06:25:55 PM
Sarahli .........

Alex Jones also has DVD'S out called Loose Change also.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: empyreal on April 03, 2012, 06:35:33 PM
Just because people saw two planes hit the towers doesn't mean that's what caused THREE buildings to fall into themselves. What about the witnesses that were actually in the building who told stories of explosives? I'm definitely not saying there weren't planes involved because there are plenty of witnesses to testify. To me, proof isn't even proof. It's basically just an opinion because so many people don't accept one person's idea of proof as solid evidence. But, it baffles me how people could believe the government's official story of what happened. Especially when they said they found the passports of the hijackers in tact a block or two away, since it had to have came from inside the plane, which exploded. They didn't even find most bodies intact.. they were identifying people by shards of bone.

If you were accused of something this extreme, and you had absolutely nothing to do with it, wouldn't you deny it with all your might? Our government dodges questions that contradict their "official" take on what happened. Why? If you're not guilty you have no reason to do this.

I'm not exactly sure of what happened. I don't think anyone does (expect for the ones who carried it out). I don't like throwing accusations around when I can't prove it 100%. But I know our government knows a little (or a lot) more than they're saying.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: gwynned on April 03, 2012, 06:38:53 PM


Prove to me, that God exists! I KNOW God and his angels are real, yet what proof is there? There's ONE video tape in existence now, of a miracle.


Hmmm....do you have a copy of that tape, Tink?
Title: Re: 9/11 - debunking the conspiracy theories - the Relevance of Earth Song
Post by: Tink on April 04, 2012, 12:50:10 AM
C'mon Tink, really to go into "proof" definition wasn't I feel needed.

People have to use common sense, & when a "conspiracy" so called sticks & doesn't go away, it's because there is truth to the lies we've been told.

Thousands of innocent people we're MIURDERED on 9-11, who's going to be held responsibile for those deaths?
Again, you have to understand what took place 'BEFORE 9-11. not AFTER 9-11.

I won't go into on this forum. But the truth is there. I won't be blind-sided by the lies that have been told, if you really feel Tink that 9-11 was really an outside terriorists besides our US government, then you'll keep believing the lies. Which is what you choose to do.

I gave you the answer: JONES uses what is called a STRAWMAN argument.

Let's get to the heart of the issue now, shall we?  :D

Here's the proof and the truth:

Nobody ever said that the steel melted; what they said, is that the buildings hit STRUCTURAL FAILURE!! HUGE, HUGE difference.

See, most high rises have a concrete inner core or column, or concrete-encased outer columns; oftentimes, both. WTC HAD NEITHER!
Instead, the WTC's steel columns and trusses were protected by a layer of foam fireproofing, which was BLOWN OFF during the plane impacts. The way she was constructed quickly, became her Achilles' heel.

North Tower: 15% of the perimeter columns and 13% of the core columns were SEVERED, with many more damaged.

South Tower: 14% of the perimeter columns and 21% of the core columns were severed, with many more damaged.

Unlike most office fires, the crashes piled debris against the furthest walls and corners, which actually PROVIDED fuel for persistent fires right at the most vulnerable points in the buildings! (Bet nobody saw that coming). Ever made a campfire, cooked over it, but it kept burning for hours later, because of the fuel of the wood? Paper, desks, fabrics of chairs, walls - it all fed the FIRES!

The temperature simulation for the 82nd floor in the South Tower shortly before its collapse, shows the fires concentrated around the NORTHEAST corner! Although steel doesn't melt until it reaches 2750 degrees F, it LOSES 50% of its strength at 1100 degrees F!! The worst of the WTC fires were burning at 1800 degrees F!!

As the weakened floor trusses sagged, they pulled on both the core columns and perimeter columns. Because the perimeter columns provided only 40% of the building's support and were weakened the most by fire, the sagging caused the perimeter columns to bow inward. Yes; the sagging floors pulled the outside walls INWARD.

South Tower bowing @ 9:53 (http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/692/wtcst1copy.jpg)

Further bowing, South Tower @1 minute before collapse: (http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8251/wtcst2copy.jpg)

This bowing continued, until the perimeter columns finally reached their breaking point - and they SNAPPED!
The SNAP is what confuses people; yet, as you can see from the two photographs, it took an awfully long while to reach the break point!

The fact that the worst fires took place where the debris was concentrated, is why the South Tower collapsed to the east, and the North Tower to the south.

The North Tower had half as many floors of weight on its weakened columns, which is the reason it stood TWICE as long as the South Tower, but its own collapse was inevitable.

At 10:21 AM, a NYPD aviation unit officer reported that the North Tower was buckling in the southeast corner, and leaning south:
(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/3972/wtcnt3copy.jpg)

At 10:23, a NYPD officer took this photo @ 10:23 AM, which shows bowing of as much as 55 inches INWARD (where visible):
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5870/wtcnt4copy.jpg)

Let's have a CLOSE-UP of that, shall we?
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5660/wtcnt5copy.jpg)

See, conspiracy theorists CANNOT discredit the bowing theory in the face of the photo/video evidence, confirming it as fact.

Ergo people like Alex Jones and his ilk fabricate their own Strawman arguments that "fire doesn't melt steel", and then attack this absurd argument instead. Of course it didn't melt!

Ultimately, it was the fires and the sagging floor trusses that bowed the columns is what led to the collapse of both towers of the World Trade Center. Not a controlled demolition, as you can see by the photographs I've provided.

9/11 answered in a NUTSHELL, Let the TRUTH be known!

Once the planes hit, the Chain Reaction had begun; there was no stopping Physics in this reality.

I saw some of you ask: Why did God let this happen? He did not. Man has free will, which in these incidents, were enacted in a most horrible way. It is God who loves all his children. It is God who LOVES us all - it is man who turns brother against brother, and KILLS.

Remember, the many heroes born that day, people who willingly gave their lives, to save others? THAT was God's LOVE and MERCY: saving as many people as possible, before the metal fatigued and snapped, bringing the towers down.

So, don't go blaming God for this. The only way to stop this from happening, along with the invasion of Afghanistan & Iraq, all the countless innocents lost from war would be using the Ark of the Covenant, the Mercy seat, and going back in time before the Terrorists even got on board the planes. How many of you would willingly give up your lives, to fuel the Ark, while the Lord's Angels do this? It would take 144,000 to 500,000 pure souls to power it, without a doubt in their hearts and minds.

Yup, didn't think so - you'd be afraid to lose what you have today. Time stands the way it is, and with the consequences that have been wrought, stand.

But consider this: Everyone who died in that time period, would be brought back to life, you wouldn't remember this time stream at all. It would only be echos, with Deja Vu - a possibility to change the future, that we've already lived.

THAT is what I believe the Ark is for: to change something this horrible, along with the consequences.

I recall that the Ark being officially discovered in the early hours of 6/25/09, in Ethiopia. I also recall something HUGE:

EARTH SONG!! What happens, when it was finished and shown in 3D in 2010? EVERYTHING WAS REVERSED, and RESTORED back to NORMAL!

It all clicked in my head, along with the harmonic frequencies in the song. That the Ark of the Covenant is not only created as a weapon, but also for good! It could be used to RESTORE the Earth and US back to a certain point in time. A giant "game reset," if you will, for us all.

Violence begets Violence! Only Love, Forgiveness and Mercy is what stands beyond the madness of war.

How many of us are willing to sacrifice for this Earth song rewind, if that indeed is what Michael's asking for?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgeNDUChKPA[/youtube]

"Mercy Seat" in English. Name is kapporeth, is probably derived from kaphar, which is often considered to mean cover, the literal meaning of kaphar is wipe out, implying that kapporeth means "thing of wiping out/thing of cleansing."
Perhaps that's what it literally does: wipes out, by going backwards in time, thus giving us all a second chance to do it right.










Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 05, 2012, 10:14:06 PM
There were 47 huge steel core columns in each Tower, and 24 such support columns in WTC 7 (NIST 2005; NISTb, 2005).
The WTC towers were solidly constructed with 47 steel core
columns and 240 perimeter steel columns. 287 steel-columns total.
Many doubt that random fires/damage could cause them to
collapse straight down (official theory), and suspect explosives.

Steel-frame: Huge core (left) is an enormous heat sink. Notice workers standing on floor pan
which is
firmly attached to the interconnected core columns.

The NIST report makes for interesting reading. The less severe cases based on empirical
data were discarded because they did not result in building collapse. But ‘one must save the
hypothesis,’ so more severe cases were tried and the simulations tweaked, as we read in the
NIST report:
The more severe case (which became Case B for WTC 1 and Case D for WTC 2) was
used for the global analysis of each tower. Complete sets of simulations were then
performed for Cases B and D. To the extent that the simulations deviated from the
photographic evidence or eyewitness reports [e.g., complete collapse occurred], the
investigators adjusted the input, but only within the range of physical reality. Thus,
for instance,…the pulling forces on the perimeter columns by the sagging floors
were adjusted... (NIST, 2005, p. 142; emphasis added.)
The primary role of the floors in the collapse of the towers was to provide inward
pull forces that induced inward bowing of perimeter columns. (NIST, 2005, p. 180;
emphasis added.)
How fun (perhaps) to tweak the model like that, until the building collapses -- until one gets the
desired result. But the end result of such tweaked computer hypotheticals is not compelling.
Notice that the “the pulling forces on the perimeter columns by the sagging floors were adjusted”
(NIST, 2005, p. 142; emphasis added) to get the perimeter columns to yield sufficiently – one
suspects these were “adjusted” by hand quite a bit -- even though the UK experts complained
that “the core columns cannot pull the exterior [i.e., perimeter] columns in via the floor.”
(Lane and Lamont, 2005; emphasis added.)

So how does the NIST team justify the WTC collapses, when actual models fail to collapse and
there are zero examples of fire-caused high-rise collapses? Easy, NIST concocted computergenerated
hypotheticals for very “severe” cases, called cases B and D (NIST, 2005, pp. 124-
138). Of course, the details are rather hidden to us. And they omit consideration of the
complete, rapid and symmetrical nature of the collapses.
 Here are some issues about the September 11th attacks to consider:
World Trade Center Towers
    Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel.
    Footage shows explosives were placed in both towers before the attack to cause the towers to disintegrate into dust.
    The towers fell exactly into their footprint, taking the path of most resistance in about 10 seconds, the same amount of time it takes an object to fall that distance in a vacuum.
    The towers tossed massive steel beams 200 feet in each direction, too far to be explained by a gravity collapse.
    Survivors and firefighters report explosions at the BASE of the WTC towers at the same time as the planes hit it - how did Osama do this?
    Pools of molten metal were found 7 stories under the towers 6 weeks after the attack. It takes 3000+ degrees Fahrenheit to turn steel into liquid. Where did this energy come from?
    The top of the south tower began to collapse sideways, then righted itself, falling into it's footprint. This is impossible with only gravity working to collapse the tower.
Building 7
    It was a 47 story, steel-framed building that disintegrated later in the day, also from explosives. It was not hit by any planes. How did Osama pull this one off?
    The 23rd floor was the Mayor’s "Emergency Command Center," a reinforced bunker which had its own air and water supply. Could this have been the command center for destroying the towers?
Pentagon
    How does a 65 ton Boeing 757 with a 125 foot wingspan fit through a single 16 foot hole in the side of the Pentagon leaving virtually no wreckage?
    There is no evidence of a Boeing 757, seats, wings, engines, luggage or the dead passengers at the Pentagon.
    The Pentagon security video suggests a missile explosion rather than a jet fuel explosion.
    There is a hole through 3 rings of the Pentagon, totaling 9 solid feet of steel reinforced concrete the object would have to penetrate, and experts believe this to be very unlikely.
The Planes
    The planes that hit the WTC towers, from viewing the footage in slow motion, do not appear to be standard passenger jets.
    What is the explosive flash on the side of the towers just before the planes penetrate the buildings?
    With Flight 93, the reported flight of the "Lets Roll" heroes, wreckage was strewn 8 miles from the crash site when this plane was reported to be "ditched" in Pennsylvania. How is that possible?
    At least 8 of the reported 19 "hijackers" are still alive, as reported by the UK Guardian Newspaper.
    There are no Arab names on ANY of the passenger lists for the 4 hijacked flights.
    There is no video showing the "hijackers" boarding any of the planes, only fuzzy security footage from Logan Airport for a connecting flight.
    Cellular phone calls are nearly impossible in flight above 8000 feet as cell phones have low power and cell towers point downwards.
A physics professor at Brigham Young University has published a paper concluding that available evidence indicates that the World Trade Center towers were demolished by explosives (pdf). 60 of his fellow professors agree with his analysis and are simply calling for more investigation, as we are. Is that too much to ask?



Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on April 05, 2012, 10:44:03 PM
dont you know??!?! they actually found a passport of a terrorist at ground zero theat flew out of the plane during the collision....

they found no iron black box...
they found no metal plane as it had disinegrated due to fuel combustion heat levels...

yet they found a paper, yes paper passport that not only MIRACULOUSLY survived the heat / fire / explosions, but then also MIRACULOUSLY
was found amongst vast piles and piles and piles and piles or debris, bodies, paper, metal, concrete dust, iron, ash, blah blah blah......


PUH-LEASE!!! :icon_rolleyes: :icon_rolleyes: :icon_rolleyes: :icon_rolleyes: :icon_rolleyes:


seriously what do you take us for?
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Tink on April 06, 2012, 01:49:06 AM
@LoveShyMichael WTC were constructed differently than any other buildings of their time. They quickness of their construction, proved to be their Achilles heel.

I said the metal didn't melt, but SNAPPED when they fatigued! I dislike what I say be taken out of context.

The photos I posted are the truth.

But, if you're happy with the Strawman Arguments, so be it - they're circular.

@Australian MJ BeLIEver - did it ever occur to you that the terrorist may have left his passport in his jacket on the seat, when he went into the cabin?
When you look at natural/unnatural disasters, it's amazing what happens, and who survives.
I don't tell God what he can, and cannot do.
Do you?
 
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Bowing Theory
Post by: Tink on April 06, 2012, 01:59:46 AM
@LoveShyMichael WTC were constructed differently than any other buildings of their time. They quickness of their construction, proved to be their Achilles heel.

I said the metal didn't melt, but SNAPPED when they fatigued! I dislike what I say be taken out of context.

The photos I posted are the truth; they're what my friends saw happening.

@Australian MJ BeLIEver - You went back to a Strawman argument, instead of trying to refute my theory: the BOWING THEORY.

I've done what I've set out to do - you all have free will to believe or disbelieve whatever you want.
At least I've laid things out precisely - all I ask is that you actually READ what I've written, and not ignore it, when you answer me. Be fair.

Because thus far, no one's been able to refute the BOWING theory on any level around the world. They all go back to their Strawman arguments,
and toss other things at me. How about you answer the BOWING theory instead?

It's impossible to argue, because I've given precise measurements, including timelines.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on April 06, 2012, 02:52:11 AM
@ tink, with respect i reply that no i dont tell god what he can and can not do, much unlike the media who tell us what what we should believe.

my post wasnt in response to you, i just posted it in this thread, so there may have been confustion.

i am sorry but i will always believe that 911 was an inside job. i mean no disrepect to you personally.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 06, 2012, 09:25:45 PM
@Tink.....
those pics that u posted I believe are from the "simulations" they tried to achieve to make the building collaspe. Just like the post I posted, they continued to "pull & push" to get to the desired collaspe they wanted.

Also Tink I refer to Alex Jones because he has sooooo many truthers. It's not just Alex Jones, it's all the guests he has on exposing & supporting the truth.


3 buildings all in one day, don't juist FREE FALL collaspe all their own footprint , & pulverized to dust. Never in the history of the world, but on 9-11, wow was a coicendence.

@Austtrilian

Yea, I agree, it's a total inside job. And yes, I did hear about the passport found blocks away. Really? Wow such a papertrail the FBI leaves to throw people in another direction. I'm with you 100%, facts support the truth, the Warren Commission Report......nothing but LIES!
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Sarahli on April 07, 2012, 05:31:25 PM
Maybe that "inside job" is reductive.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Tink on April 07, 2012, 08:43:20 PM
@ tink, with respect i reply that no i dont tell god what he can and can not do, much unlike the media who tell us what what we should believe.

my post wasnt in response to you, i just posted it in this thread, so there may have been confustion.

i am sorry but i will always believe that 911 was an inside job. i mean no disrepect to you personally.

@Australian - I mean no disrespect either.  :bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug:
I suppose we just really won't know the full truth until the angels blow the trumpets, and the final song is sung, aye?

@Sarahli - I can understand why these photos may look like simulations, because of the overlays, showing the buildings bowing. They are showing how many inches they are bowing inwards.
But they are the originals shot by the NYPD. Remember the helicopters circling? Sadly, this was all they could do: photograph the destruction.
They also didn't fall straight down - they went to the directions I'd posted earlier; nothing went straight down. Debris was everywhere.

I...even saw the second plane coming on TV, and recall yelling at it to miss, screaming at the top of my lungs, no, no, no, with other people around me. And I know millions of people
did the same, that day.

But, does it really matter anymore? It's the aftermath that was even more horrifying: We invaded two countries, that had worked with our CIA operatives.

We should've handled things so differently, after the Afghanistan war with Russia, and Iraq war, part 1.
That is where we truly, truly failed. How did we handle things, with Bin Laden? How did we handle things with Hussein in Iraq? When both rebelled against their handlers, we had issues;
we should've been more understanding about the people and poverty, and not suddenly turn our backs and left them to their own devices.

It no longer matters why; we used them as CIA operatives against another enemy, then abandoned them, when we should've been working on some level to keep peace with them.
If they were monsters to begin with, and we were using monsters to fight other monsters, then how could we expect them to behave, after we left!?
We IGNORED them, so they sought to get even. They wanted attention, good or bad. What did the CIA expect!? Good behavior?

WTC was only a symbol, that was attacked in '93. We had plenty of warnings, they knew planes were always a possibility. The movie with the plane in 3/2001,
was just showing how everyone knew this. It didn't inspire the terrorists to attack - it showed how we all had it on our minds, and we'd had jets scrambled to practice intercept before.

I fight terrorism with the only thing I know how: THE PEN. For the pen is truly mightier than rifles, swords, or anything else. I send school supplies to the children of Afghanistan every year,
so both the girls and boys are educated. Education, knowledge is the only way to break the cycle of poverty, which leads to desperation and terrorism.





Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 08, 2012, 06:17:55 PM
This is quite lengthy but worth everybit of it.

Government Insider: Bush Authorized 911 Attacks
         

Pakistan Daily
May 21, 2008

Keep in mind when reading this, that the man being interviewed is no two-bit internet conspiracy buff.

Stanley Hilton was a senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole (R) and has personally known Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz for decades. This courageous man has risked his professional reputation, and possibly his life, to get this information out to people.

The following is from his latest visit to Alex Jones’ radio show.

Note: All honor to Stanley Hilton for risking his life so that we may know the truth of 9/11.

The Bush Junta Unmasked

“This (9/11) was all planned. This was a government-ordered operation. Bush personally signed the order. He personally authorized the attacks. He is guilty of treason and mass murder.” –Stanley Hilton

Alex Jones interview of Stanley Hilton, attorney for 911 taxpayers’ lawsuit
A d v e r t i s e m e n t
AJ: He is back with us. He is former Bob Dole’s chief of staff, very successful counselor, lawyer. He represents hundreds of the victims families of 9/11. He is suing Bush for involvement in 9/11. Now a major Zogby poll out – half of New Yorkers think the government was involved in 9/11. And joining us for the next 35 minutes, into the next hour, is Stanley Hilton. Stanley, it’s great to have you on with us.

SH: Glad to be on.

AJ: We’ll have to recap this when we start the next hour, but just in a nutshell, you have a lawsuit going, you’ve deposed a lot of military officers. You know the truth of 9/11. Just in a nutshell, what is your case alleging?

SH: Our case is alleging that Bush and his puppets Rice and Cheney and Mueller and Rumsfeld and so forth, Tenet, were all involved not only in aiding and abetting and allowing 9/11 to happen but in actually ordering it to happen. Bush personally ordered it to happen. We have some very incriminating documents as well as eye-witnesses, that Bush personally ordered this event to happen in order to gain political advantage, to pursue a bogus political agenda on behalf of the neocons and their deluded thinking in the Middle East. I also wanted to point out that, just quickly, I went to school with some of these neocons. At the University of Chicago, in the late 60s with Wolfowitz and Feith and several of the others and so I know these people personally. And we used to talk about this stuff all of the time. And I did my senior thesis on this very subject – how to turn the U.S. into a presidential dictatorship by manufacturing a bogus Pearl Harbor event. So, technically this has been in the planning at least 35 years.

AJ: That’s right. They were all Straussian followers of a Nazi-like professor. And now they are setting it up here in America. Stanley, I know you deposed a lot of people and you’ve got your $7 million dollar lawsuit with hundreds of the victim’s families involved.

SH: 7 billion, 7 billion

AJ: Yeah, 7 billion. Can you go over some of the new and incriminating evidence you’ve got of them ordering the attack?

SH: Yes, let me just say that this is a taxpayers’ class action lawsuit as well as a suit on behalf of the families and the basic three arguments are they violated the Constitution by ordering this event. And secondly that they [garbled] fraudulent Federal Claims Act, Title 31 of the U.S. Code in which Bush presented false and fraudulent evidence to Congress to get the Iraq war authorization. And, of course, he related it to 9/11 and claimed that Saddam was involved with that, and all these lies.

AJ: Tell you what, stay there. Stanley, we’ve got to break. Let’s come back and get into the evidence. BREAK

AJ: All right my friends, second hour, the anniversary of the globalist attack coming up. It’s an amazing individual we have on the line. Bob Dole’s former chief of staff, political scientist, a lawyer, he went to school with Rumsfeld and others, he wrote his thesis about how to turn America into a dictatorship using a fake Pearl Harbor attack. He’s suing the U.S. government for carrying out 9/11. He has hundreds of the victims’ families signing onto it – it’s a $7 billion lawsuit. And he is Stanley Hilton. I know that a lot of stations just joined us in Los Angeles and Rhode Island and Missouri and Florida and all over. Please sir, recap what you were just stating and then let’s get into the new evidence. And then we’ll get into why you are being harassed by the FBI, as other FBI people are being harassed who have been blowing the whistle on this. So, this is really getting serious. Stanley, tell us all about it.

SH: Yeah, we are suing Bush, Condoleezza Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Mueller, etc. for complicity in personally not only allowing 9/11 to happen but in ordering it. The hijackers we retained and we had a witness who is married to one of them. The hijackers were U.S. undercover agents. They were double agents, paid by the FBI and the CIA to spy on Arab groups in this country. They were controlled. Their landlord was an FBI informant in San Diego and other places. And this was a direct, covert operation ordered, personally ordered by George W. Bush. Personally ordered. We have incriminating evidence, documents as well as witnesses, to this effect. It’s not just incompetence – in spite of the fact that he is incompetent. The fact is he personally ordered this, knew about it. He, at one point, there were rehearsals of this. The reason why he appeared to be uninterested and nonchalant on September 11th – when those videos showed that Andrew Card whispered in his ear the [garbled] words about this he listened to kids reading the pet goat story, is that he thought this was another rehearsal. These people had dress-rehearsed this many times. He had seen simulated videos of this. In fact, he even made a Freudian slip a few months later at a California press conference when he said he had, quote, “seen on television the first plane attack the first tower.” And that could not be possible because there was no video. What it was was the simulated video that he had gone over. So this was a personally government-ordered thing. We are suing them under the Constitution for violating Americans’ rights, as well as under the federal Fraudulent Claims Act, for presenting a fraudulent claim to Congress to justify the bogus Iraq boondoggle war, for political gains. And also, under the RICO statute, under the Racketeering Corrupt Organization Act, for being a corrupt entity. And I’ve been harassed personally by the chief judge of the federal court who is instructing me personally to drop this suit, threatened to kick me off the court, after 30 years on the court. I’ve been harassed by the FBI. My staff has been harassed and threatened. My office has been broken into and this is the kind of government we are dealing with.

AJ: Absolutely and now it has come out – five separate drills of flying hijacked jets into buildings that morning – which you told us about before it even broke in the Associated Press. They were trying to get out ahead of you. You talked about how you interviewed military people who were told it was a drill that morning. Then to get out ahead of that, the news finally reported on it. Now, we’ve learned that all these operations – I want to get into that, I want to talk about the new incriminating evidence of ordering it and how they had drilled on this, how Cheney was in the bunker controlling this. That has even come out in the mainstream news but they won’t release the details of that, Stanley. But what type of FBI harassment are you going through? SH: First of all, my office was burglarized in San Francisco several months ago. Files were gone through and some files were seized – particularly the ones dealing with the lady that was married to one of the hijackers. Fortunately, I had spare copies in a hidden place so nothing disappeared permanently. But more significantly, FBI agents have been harassing one of my staff members and threatening them with vague but frightening threats of indicting them. And it’s just total harassment. They have planted a spy, an undercover agent, in my organization, as we just recently discovered. In other words, these are Nazi Germany tactics. This is the kind of government you have in this country. This is what Bush is all about.

AJ: Stay there, Stanley, Bob Dole’s former chief of staff. We’ll come back after this quick break. Please stay with us. BREAK

AJ: All right, eight minutes, 25 seconds into the second hour. Stanley Hilton, political scientist, lawyer, Bob Dole’s former chief of staff, is suing the government for 7 billion dollars for carrying out 9/11 and for racketeering. And he joins us now. During the break, I first really did the big interview with Stanley Hilton after I saw him attacked on Fox News. And that interview got massive attention. And then he kind of went underground for a while because a judge, we’re going to talk about that, ordered him to not do any more interviews. And now he’s back doing interviews. He’s had his office broken into, FBI threats and harassment. Bottom line, he has deposed military individuals, wives of hijackers, you name it, it was a government operation. It has even come out in mainstream news, a piece here, a piece there. They had drills on 9/11, that’s why NORAD stood down. Cheney was in control of the whole thing. Stanley Hilton has now gotten documents about how Bush ordered the whole operation. And I’ll tell you right now, his life is in danger, folks. And he’s got so much courage. He went to school with these neocons at the University of Chicago. He wrote his thesis on how the government could use terrorist attacks to set up martial law. He is the man for the time and folks wondered why he disappeared for a while and just did his lawsuit and wasn’t doing interviews, it was because he was ordered to. Stanley, can you get into that for us?

SH: I did an interview with you, Alex, about a year and a half ago, and literally two weeks after that, I was contacted by the emissary of the chief judge of the federal court where I have the lawsuit. And I was warned not to publicize it but to keep it quiet and threatened with discipline. And it remained quiet until a couple of months ago and then I got on the air on some programs and some publicity and July 1st, I was threatened directly by the chief judge here, threatened with court discipline. This particular judge has been circulating communiqués to the other federal judges seeking anything negative she can get against me to try and discipline me after I’ve been on the court here for 30 years with no disciplinary problems at all. This is suddenly happening. And her assistants who are on the committee of the court met with me on July 1st in Palo Alto, California, and threatened me directly. They handed me a copy of the lawsuit and said that the judge wants me to dismiss this. What’s this? She doesn’t like the content of it. This is politically incorrect. This is outside the norm. I said I represented more than 400 plaintiffs, how am I going to dismiss this case? And they threatened me directly and they said, “the next time you’ll be disciplined.” And also they’ve threatened me not to go public, etc. And this is just outrageous.

AJ: It’s all color of law. No direct orders, just all in your face.

SH: They sent a letter out, and of course they deny it’s because of the political content of the suit but they told me directly on the phone that it is because of this suit and this judge is very, very angry, apparently has been in contact with Ashcroft’s Justice Department. I got a call from Ashcroft’s Justice Department a few months ago about this, demanding that I drop the suit, threatening sanctions and all kinds of things. I refused to drop it. AJ: Now let’s go back over, you had them break into your office, harassment. Let’s go over that in detail.

SH: My office was broken into about 6 months ago. The file cabinets – it was obvious they had been rifled through. Files were stolen. Files dealing with this particular case and particularly with the documents I had regarding the fact that the – some of these hijackers, at least some of them were on the payroll of the U.S. government as undercover FBI, CIA, double agents. They are spying on Arab groups in the U.S. And, in effect, all this led up to the effect that al Qaeda is a creation of the George Bush administration, basically. That the entity that he called al Qaeda is directly linked to George Bush. And all this stuff was stolen. Fortunately, I had copies. But this was just part of the harassment. The FBI has also been harassing some of my assistants and has planted a spy in our midst. And it is just outrageous that these Nazi tactics are being used – and the obstruction of justice, these people are criminals. And that’s what’s happening under the tremendous pressure here to just drop it. Or to shut up now and just go away.

 
 
 

AJ: Now, let’s talk about what they want you to drop. Let’s talk about, without giving names, the people you deposed, what really happened, the picture you’ve got. You said earlier that Bush ordered this, they were simulating this which they now admit there were simulations on that morning. Let’s go over what they don’t want you to talk about, Stanley.

SH: We have evidence both documentary as well as witness sworn statements from undercover former FBI agents, FBI informants, etc., that other officials in the Pentagon and the military and the Air Force that deal with the fact that there were many drills, many rehearsals for 9/11 before it happened. Bush had seen this simulated on TV many times. He blurted this out at a press conference in California a few months after 9/11 where he said he had, quote, seen the first plane hit the first building on the video. And that’s not possible because there was no official video of that. There was one of the second plane not the first one. He had seen the first one. We do have some incriminating documents that Bush personally ordered 9/11 events. It was well planned. A FEMA official has admitted on tape that he was there the night before – September 10th, that is

AJ: And now Mayor Giuliani, a few months ago in the 911 Commission, admitted that – Tripod II. They had their whole command post already moved out of Building 7. Now, this is very, very important. This is a key area of this whole event. You said months before it came out on the CIA’s own website and the Associated Press, you said I deposed people. They said there were drills that morning and exactly what happened, happening – that was the smoke-screen for the stand-down. And then to get out ahead of it, the CIA comes out and said yeah we were running a drill that morning. Now, we’ve learned that five, possibly six, were confirmed. Five of these – one drill with the exact same thing happening that actually happened, at the exact same time in the morning. That’s why NORAD stood down with 24 different blips on the screen. You’ve said this. You brought this up first. Now, I know you can’t get too much into detail but can you tell us how you learned of this?

SH: I have interviewed individuals in NORAD and the Air Force. I personally toured NORAD many years ago around the time that I worked for Dole. I’m very familiar with the operations at Cheyenne Mountain at Colorado Springs, where NORAD is. Individuals that work in NORAD as well as the Air Force have stated this, off the record, but the point is, yes, this was not just five drills but at least 35 drills over at least two months before September 11th. Everything was planned, the exact location

AJ: But five drills that day.

SH: That day, that day, and Bush thought it was a drill. That’s the only explanation for why he appeared nonchalant

AJ: We also had NORAD officers and civilian air traffic controllers going, “Is this part of the exercise? Is this a drill?”

SH: Yes.

AJ: On the tapes and in TV interviews, they thought it was, quote, a drill.

SH: That’s right. That’s exactly what I said long before it became public. I’ve known about this since earlier in March of ’03, as I stated before. This was all planned. This was a government-ordered operation. Bush personally signed the order. He personally authorized the attacks. He is guilty of treason and mass murder. And now, obstruction of justice by attempting to use a federal judge and FBI agents to inhibit a legitimate civil lawsuit in this country, in federal court. Even a chief judge in this court tried to harass and threaten me personally for representing legitimate plaintiffs. And they got Clinton for allegedly lying under oath about Paula Jones and now – look what’s happening now. And Ken Starr used to be across from me in Duke Law School in the early `70s and it´s interesting that he got away with trying to get Clinton impeached, so we have a far worse criminal sitting in the oval office today – somebody guilty of mass murder as well as obstruction of justice.

AJ: Well, I mean look, they say they never heard of a plan to fly planes into buildings – said it all over television – Rice, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft. And then we find out they were running all these drills that morning. Even if they weren’t involved, that proves they were liars about ever hearing of such a plan.

SH: Well, I’m trying to take their depositions – I’ve been trying to take their depositions for months. They’ve been trying to object to it. They will have to admit they were either lying then or now. It’s clearly perjury either way. They are liars and perjurers; that’s what they are. These are the people that we have running this government and, of course, they knew about it. How are they going to claim now that they didn’t know about these drills? Their idea is that nobody knew anything. It’s the old know-nothing mentality. And how anybody considers this believable is beyond me.

AJ: All right, now people ask how could a huge organization, how could the AWACs, how could the military let this happen; whereas before, if your Cessna got off course for five minutes, they would launch F-16s on you. It’s real simple. It’s what Stanley Hilton said here a year and a half ago. It’s what came out in the news after that. The military, good people, were told this was all a drill. And it was not a drill. And ABC News admits that Cheney was in control of [?] out of the White House [?] and that he ordered the military to quote “do something.” Our inside sources from Hilton and others say it was a stand down and they admit they will not release that under national security. Stanley?

SH: Well they are going to admit it, they’re going to release it in the court case because if you demand it under subpoena powers and they must release it. And part of our lawsuit is brought in the name of the U.S. because under the federal fraudulent [Claims Act], we accuse the Bush Administration of presenting a fraudulent claim to Congress. And under the statutes of Title 31 of the U.S. code, they must release this information. That’s why they are trying to threaten me, harass me, invade my office, steal my files, commit blatant obstruction of justice and other crimes to try and prevent a legitimate civil suit from exposing these criminals and their acts of treason and mass murder.

AJ: I think you need to publicly tell folks that you are not planning suicide. Would you like to tell folks that?

SH: (laughs) I’m not planning suicide. I’ve got family and I’m not planning that but I don’t like the threats I’m under – but I can tell you this, it’s taking a toll emotionally on me and my staff. And particularly, when you get a threat from the chief judge of your own court.

AJ: Why have you decided to go public again after a year of being under the radar? SH: Because the more and more evidence that I’ve been adducing over a year and a half has made it so obvious to me that this was now without any doubt a government operation and that it amounts to the biggest act of treason and mass murder in American history. I mean George Bush makes Benedict Arnold look like a patriot. He makes Benedict Arnold look like George Washington. I mean that’s what we have – a criminal and a traitor sitting in the White House pretending he’s a patriot, wrapping himself in the flag. And it’s pretty disgusting because the other side of the so-called opposition, the Kerry camp is just saying nothing because they’re afraid to speak.

AJ: Stay right there. We’ll be right back.

BREAK

AJ: Stanley Hilton will be with us for another 15 or 16 minutes. Then he’s got to go into court. Bob Dole’s former chief of staff, political scientist, lawyer, represents 400 plus plaintiffs – most of them victims of 9/11. When I was in New York last week, everybody I was talking to, I mean 90 plus percent of them at ground zero – “I had family, I worked in the buildings, my son’s a Navy Seal – he called the night before and said don’t go to work.” You know, all of this, and then now they never had any idea – and it turns out they had all these drills – and one drill of hijacked jets flying into the World Trade Center and Pentagon at 8:30 in the morning. That morning – come on people! And Stanley Hilton brought all this out on this show before it was in the mainstream news. And I was talking to him during the break. I mean, the harassment, the moles, the threatening of his staff, the judge threatening him. Stanley, let’s get specifically into the documents that you have now got that they have now been robbing you for, that you luckily, thank God had copies. Specifically, Bush ordering this. Can you get into that for us – ordering 9/11? SH: National Security Council classified documents which [garbled] and it’s was part of a series of documents that were involved with the drill documents. This was all planned – they had it on videotape. These planes were controlled by remote control, as I stated previously a year and a half ago, there’s a system called Cyclops. There is a computer chip in the nose of the plane and it enables the ground control, the military ground control, to disable the pilot’s control of the plane and to control it and to fly it directly into those towers. That’s what happened. It’s also a technology used on what’s called the Global Hawk, which is an aircraft drone – a remote- controlled aircraft. And they were doing it. We are talking about National Security Council classified documents that clearly indicated that [garbled] had a green light to order this to go and this is no drill. These drills that were running were clearly a dress rehearsal and this was a government operation. You wonder why these people are trying to threaten people and trying to intimidate people who have written this suit, I guess if you murdered 3000 of your own citizens, in conjunction with the corrupt Royal family of Saudi Arabia as Bush did. And if you then waste billions more on a worthless garbage war in Iraq, I guess you’ve got something to worry about and you want to threaten people to prevent it from coming out.

AJ: I mean let’s look at this. Not only are there dress rehearsals, they are smoke screens so the good military stands down and doesn’t know what’s happening. But it’s now coming out, even in mainstream news, that yes these drills were going on. Yes, and some of these drills, quote, passenger-type jets were under remote control – this is decades old technology. In 1958, NORAD was [ ] old jets and using them for target practice. Decades ago they flew jumbo jets from LA to Sidney Australia. So since that’s going on, everybody knows that. And it’s the same MO. Just like the first World Trade Center [bombing] where they get two retarded men who followed this blind sheik who had a tiny mosque above a pizza parlor. And they set them up as the patsies. Then the FBI cooks the bomb, trains the drivers. This informant goes, “You’re not going to bomb the building? They go “Yeah, we’re letting it go forward.” He tapes them to protect themselves. The two retarded gentlemen, thank God, didn’t park it up against the column, as the FBI instructed them to do, so it didn’t bring down the tower – because you have to be right up against the column. That doesn’t happen. Yet, it’s the same thing with 9/11. You’ve got these CIA agents, these Arabs, who were trained at U.S. military bases, Pensacola Naval Air Station – mainstream media, out creating their legends for this background. They’re on board the aircraft. My military sources say nerve gas kills everybody on board the plane – nerve gas packets. Then they fly the planes into buildings. From your inside sources, is that accurate?

SH: It’s one of the things that we are looking into – that nerve gas or something else disabled people. It’s possible. I can’t say for sure to be honest with you

AJ: All you know is they were government agents and they were on board and the planes were remote controlled.

SH: Yeah, it was basically a smokescreen. I mean, the events of the hijackings, how someone snuck in those cutters, it was a plant. It was like a classic decoy. I’ve got some military background. And it’s called decoy. It’s a decoy operation. You make the people focus on the decoy to avoid looking at the real criminals. So they are focusing on these so-called nineteen hijackers and saying, “Oh, it must have been these Arabs. When, in fact, the guilty person is at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue – sitting in the oval office. That’s the guilty person. That’s the one who authorized it. There is only one man who could have authorized this operation and that’s Bush. And anyone at NORAD will tell you as I have been told personally at NORAD in the war control room, there is only one man who has the power to do this kind of thing and that’s Bush. Even though many believe he’s a puppet. And I think in many ways he is. The fact of the matter is where was [ ] Cheney, Rumsfeld and these other traitors. The fact is Bush personally ordered and he’s guilty and liable and he’s going to be re-elected apparently because the media’s asleep and [garbled] for Bush. AJ: Well, the media is owned by the same military industrial complex that carried out the attacks.

SH: Yeah, the media is only interested in maintaining the official government fantasy that this was a little lone Arab. These Arabs couldn’t even steer that plane down a runway.

AJ: Stay there Stanley, final segment coming up. BREAK

AJ: Mr. Hilton, when you talk to these FBI agents, when you talk to these military men and women, what’s their attitude? They’ve got to be pretty freaked out to have the big picture and know what actually happened on 9/11.

SH: Yes, you know it’s like clouds just before a thunderstorm in the sense that they are sort of pregnant with rage. They are just enraged at the criminal politicians who have perverted and misused the government to murder its own citizens and pursue these dubious political ends. And many of them, in increasing numbers, are willing to talk and will talk under subpoena – but only under subpoena because the official party line of the government is shut up and don’t talk to the trial lawyer. But more and more, they are very outraged that part of the government has done this to its own people, to its own people. I mean you have to go back to Stalin to see something – not even Hitler did this to his own people. You have to look at Stalin who murdered the Kulaks, the Russians for his own dubious gains. Also we’ve got – we have a Stalinist mentality in this country. And, if these people pose as patriots and wrap themselves in the flag, it’s disgusting. I wanted also to point out that the Japanese television network, Asahi, is going to be airing a special on primetime tomorrow, on September 11th. They interviewed me for eight hours a couple of weeks ago. I’ll be on that. I wish – of course, the America media don’t care so they are not going to care. But in Japan, people are very serious in interviewing me and others. And we have a website now, called deprogram.info, if more people are interested: www.deprogram.info. But the other thing, I just wanted to say that if anything happens to me – and I don’t know why – because I’m being threatened here now. And it seems you can’t bring a case in this country anymore against criminals in power without being threatened. And this is how they operate. The stakes are pretty high when you’ve got a world historical level of treason and fraud by this government against it’s own people. I guess this is what you have to expect.

AJ: Stanley, the globalists, the new world order crowd, definitely intend to carry out more terror attacks. I know they would have carried out more attacks if we wouldn’t have done what we’ve been up to, if you wouldn’t have been out there boldly speaking out and many others. And then their electronic Berlin wall has a bunch of cracks in it now. Thanks to good people like yourself and many others who are speaking out and telling the truth. But do you think that they may carry out what they’ve been hyping – a suitcase nuke attack, a biological release to try to smokescreen all of this? I know it’s a catch 22, you’ve got to expose the murderers. We’ve got to get the word out on this but some government people that I’ve talk to say, “Yeah, but if you do that, they are going to go even more hard core and must totally try to take over.” But I say regardless, they are already doing that. So what do you say to that?

SH: Well, yeah, I think they have an agenda. They have contingency plans. I think they are laying low now because there are an increasing number of people, like myself, who are openly challenging them and accusing them of criminal conduct. I think they would have done it again if we had not spoken up. I think they’re planning, what they would like to do is silence any dissenters. That’s why we are trying to get the Patriot Act declared unconstitutional in this lawsuit also.

AJ: Let’s talk about polls. In the beginning a patriot is a scarce man, hated and feared, but in time when his cause succeeds, the timid join him, because then it costs nothing to be a patriot. You are one of those guys who hit the barbwire for us, or figuratively jumped on the hand grenade for America. But when you’ve got a Zogby poll, who is highly respected, half of New Yorkers believe that the government was involved. When you have a Canadian poll, 63% on average believe that the U.S. government was involved. And some groups, as high as 76% in polls believe the government was involved. European polls, two- thirds show the same thing. We have German defense ministers and technology ministers and another member of their government now, three of them going public, known conservatives, and progressives. You have an environment minister, Michael Meacher, saying that if they didn’t do it, they sure as hell knew what was going on. Look, if anybody who is a thinking person looks at the evidence, their official story is impossible. Then you investigate and they are involved in it. Comments to this massive awakening and what’s happening.

SH: Well, I think that’s why they want the Patriot Act to suppress political dissent. They have to, they’re anticipating, they are not dumb individuals. I know these people personally, Wolfowitz. These are criminal individuals but they are smart and so they anticipated political dissent. And that’s why, like the Nazis, their forebears, and their blood brothers, the Nazis and the Stalinists, they’re all for political repression. Every corrupt and criminal government has done this – they suppress their own people: Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, Mao Tse-Tung, that’s why we have the Patriot Act. So it’s hand in hand. They had it planned to go right up to September 11th, this was all part of the plan. You have to do it. It was part of my senior thesis. You must follow through the terrorists attacks with a political suppression mechanism in the law. And that’s why they want Patriot I and Patriot II and their plans are to continue launching more terrorist attacks to justify even more repression. The goal is to make this a one party dictatorship in this country, to pursue their dubious ends with their blood brothers like the Saudi Royal family. And also, historical blood brothers, such as the Nazi Germany and the Communist Russian. That’s the goal

AJ: You’ve got to go in just a minute or two. But I wanted to also tell you about New York. Sound cannons that are used in Iraq, they’re against us. Men in black ski masks. 41,000 police, accredited media being arrested randomly. Children being arrested, people in wheelchairs, 2000 plus people put in a camp with barbwire fences inside with no bathrooms. You had to have permission to go to the porta-potties. Police screaming at you. It had nothing to do with terrorism. They are openly setting the precedent for martial law.

SH: Well, that’s right, the word terrorist is now being overly broad and overly defined [garbled] and also, you know, it’s like the word communist was used for anything during the McCarthy witch hunt. And anybody can be called a terrorist by Bush’s definition. But the irony is that the number one terrorist in the world is living at the White House at the oval office today. That’s the real irony. For sheer hypocrisy, I think he deserves the world prize and ought to be in the Ripley book, Believe It or Not, and the Guinness book of world records for sheer brazen chicanery and fraud.

AJ: Let me ask you a question on this because this is the experience that I had. Watching television, watching the killers, watching those that are guilty, stand up there as our saviors is incredibly painful. It’s like watching Ted Bundy being the judge at his own trial. I mean it is just painful to know who these people are. To see them putting America in a shredder. Now we are going to have forced psychological testing of every American, forced drugging, you know Pan-American unions, I mean it’s just all happening, it’s in our face, Stanley.

SH: Yeah, it’s very disturbing and as one who has studied the theory and concept of dictatorships, I personally interviewed Albert Speer, who was Hitler’s armaments minister. I interviewed him in 1981 in Munich. And I’ve studied the psychology and history of totalitarianism and there is no question that it’s very frightening. And it has, today, with high technology, albeit for the first time in history, the chance of having a world empire dominated by corrupt, technologically oriented government – an elite government. And they’ve got now what people like Napoleon and Hitler didn’t have, which is the technological means to dominate not only their own country but others – the world.

AJ: The answer is to expose them as the terrorists, to show how PNAC [Project for the New American Century] said we need helpful Pearl Harbor events, to show how Northwoods called for the exact 9/11-style attacks, to show their own plans. And to force people to face this horror. What are they going to do in a year or two when 80% of us, not half of us, know the truth?

SH: Well, that’s why they want repression and, then again, the ancient old diversion, launch another terrorist attack to get people to pitch it away. I mean who knows what they’ll do next. I mean their capacity for ingenious creation of these events is sort of unraveled. I mean there is no limit. My guess is they are going to try another stunt – maybe a stunt just before the election to justify getting Bush reelected. Although it seems like he is running against a straw man or a ghost right now, anyway. But, my guess is they’ll try some other tactic to get people’s attention away from 9/11 if it gets to be too much attention. What you really want is for the public to just lose interest because the public – and it’s like remember the Alamo, you know, people don’t forget things like that. To me it’s like the Alamo, remember 9/11, that ought to be the slogan for this outrageous act of treason. That’s what it is. It’s not

AJ: We are at a crossroads, I don’t think they anticipated this much resistance, Stanley.

SH: Yeah, I hope they are truly wrong and as incompetent as they are corrupt and guilty. That means their incompetence is exceeded only by their corruption and their guilt. And eventually, if enough people are going to get outraged enough, these people in the bureaucracy and in the civil service and our military, and eventually we can get people under subpoena these individuals will be exposed.

AJ: Stanley, their whole operation hinges on us being naïve and not recognizing evil. This is what they got with Hitler and others. People couldn’t recognize evil so they continued to repeat succumbing to it. We are recognizing it this time. We are putting our lives, our treasure, our future on the line for freedom because we cannot let these blood-thirsty control freak terrorists capture us and use us and turn us into the empire and have a draft and use us as their slaves to invade the planet. And that’s their PNAC plan. Stanley Hilton, I know you’ve got to get to court. God bless you. I want to thank you for being here with us today. Can we get you back on next week?

SH: Sure, just give me a call.

AJ: God bless you my friend. Any closing comments?

SH: My closing comments would be, I think people ought to just think about the consequence of having someone like Bush in the White House and the danger for the future that these sorts of individuals pose. This is not just a historical event of the past. This is part of the plan and the camera is still rolling. They have an agenda. These individuals are extremely dangerous. They are armed and dangerous. They pose a clear and dangerous threat to every freedom-loving person not only American but in the whole world.

AJ: You are absolutely right Stanley Hilton. They have captured the government. They have not captured the peoples’ minds and they are counting on us not facing up to it.

SH: And they are counting on the repressive Patriot Act and threats and chief judges and FBI agents threatening people who are exposing them. That’s what they are counting on.

AJ: But you’re not backing down are you, my friend.

SH: No, I’m not

AJ: Well, we all stand with you, my brother, and God bless you.

SH: All right. Thank you.

Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 08, 2012, 07:36:46 PM
Washington’s empire of mind control is collapsing.

A recent New York Times/CBS News poll showed that 70 percent of the American people want the government to immediately bring an end to the war in Afghanistan. That number will increase to 99 percent once more people become aware of the evidence that proves the U.S. and Israeli governments orchestrated the 9/11 attacks to mobilize international public opinion to support their radical policies in the Middle East.

9/11 truth conferences like the Toronto Hearings that took place in September 2011 have brought mainstream credibility to the global 9/11 truth and accountability movement. The strength of this movement is that it is educational in nature and not connected to any political party, group, ideology, or cause. And it should remain that way.

9/11 truth-tellers are part of a global grassroots campaign to educate the world about the biggest act of state terrorism in human history, and raise collective human consciousness in the process.

Award-winning Canadian journalist Barrie Zwicker said in 2009 that, “the worldwide 9/11 truth movement is currently the largest investigative journalism project on the planet.”

The global 9/11 truth and accountability movement is not about politics and ideology. It is about restoring the rule of law, public trust in government, and government transparency in America, Israel, and the West.

Victory is more than possible. It is inevitable.

Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: AKHTONI on April 09, 2012, 09:42:54 AM

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Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Tink on April 09, 2012, 07:19:43 PM
@LoveShyMichael - Thank you so much! Fortunately, Presidents can only serve 2 terms; Bush had already served those.

The problem with Afghanistan & Iraq, is that both countries now have no infrastructure. Iraq is on the brink of civil war,
I'm not so sure what's going to happen to Afghanistan. Crimes against women have gone through the roof, and it's a complete
and total nightmare! The governments we installed, are barely on their toes; corruption runs deep everywhere.

We poked two anthills, and made them worse. And for what? The cost of human lives? For that's all I see: death & destruction,
so one Cowboy could test out new toys.

As for Stanley Hilton? Thus far, he's the first one who sounds plausible; the planes hit, and match what my friends saw.
I'm quite aware of the NORAD rehearsals; they'd gone on 9/10. You'd think they'd have been on their bloody toes on 9/11.
I only saw incompetence that day from NORAD - or at least, I'd hoped.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 09, 2012, 10:17:45 PM
It's a hard pill to swallow for 9-11 to be an inside job. But the Warren Commission just doesn't add up. Even though this article was written in 2008, the facts are the facts. It was one of the better ones I discovered on infowars.com.

Once everyone can come to terms with 9-11 being an inside job, you will NEVER believe one word of any government official as long as their campaign is paid for by big corrupt walll street croonies, follow the money trail, & then you have your answer on whether they can be trusted.

So far, that canidate is Ron Paul, but of course they downplay him. The only one who speaks volumes of truth, & of course we can't have government officials telling us the truth on how messed up things really are. Sad. But even if Ron Paul doesn't get to the White House, he's opened up alot of peoples eyes & ears, even on this site.

I thank everyone for their input on exposing the truth if not for Michael's hoax, or to help another fellow hoaxer.

Thank You!!
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Tink on April 10, 2012, 12:30:13 AM
It's a hard pill to swallow for 9-11 to be an inside job. But the Warren Commission just doesn't add up. Even though this article was written in 2008, the facts are the facts. It was one of the better ones I discovered on infowars.com.

Once everyone can come to terms with 9-11 being an inside job, you will NEVER believe one word of any government official as long as their campaign is paid for by big corrupt walll street croonies, follow the money trail, & then you have your answer on whether they can be trusted.

So far, that canidate is Ron Paul, but of course they downplay him. The only one who speaks volumes of truth, & of course we can't have government officials telling us the truth on how messed up things really are. Sad. But even if Ron Paul doesn't get to the White House, he's opened up alot of peoples eyes & ears, even on this site.

I thank everyone for their input on exposing the truth if not for Michael's hoax, or to help another fellow hoaxer.

Thank You!!
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Tink on April 10, 2012, 12:32:49 AM
It's a hard pill to swallow for 9-11 to be an inside job. But the Warren Commission just doesn't add up. Even though this article was written in 2008, the facts are the facts. It was one of the better ones I discovered on infowars.com.

Once everyone can come to terms with 9-11 being an inside job, you will NEVER believe one word of any government official as long as their campaign is paid for by big corrupt walll street croonies, follow the money trail, & then you have your answer on whether they can be trusted.

So far, that canidate is Ron Paul, but of course they downplay him. The only one who speaks volumes of truth, & of course we can't have government officials telling us the truth on how messed up things really are. Sad. But even if Ron Paul doesn't get to the White House, he's opened up alot of peoples eyes & ears, even on this site.

I thank everyone for their input on exposing the truth if not for Michael's hoax, or to help another fellow hoaxer.

Thank You!!

I never said I believed the government - I believe what my friends saw with their own EYES.

This thus far, is the only thing could fall within that perimeter, so I'll keep it in mind. It also doesn't argue with the Bowing Theory.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Sarahli on April 10, 2012, 01:25:55 AM
Why don't you talk about the control of the american government by Zionists? AIPAC?? Ariel Sharon said that Israel controls the US Govt I think.

Anyway here's a link with lots of info: http://zioncrimefactory.com/israel-did-911/

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
http://www.911truth.org/
http://firefightersfor911truth.org/
http://ae911truth.org/
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: MJonmind on April 10, 2012, 06:17:04 AM
Sarahli
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Why don't you talk about the control of the american government by Zionists?

Exactly! That's why I believe Alex Jones and many of the so-called truth tellers are likely dis-information agents. They give the world someone to blame so they feel better, but meanwhile it's the wrong people. They are blaming only the puppets of higher powers, Zionists and Israel.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: LoveShyMichael on April 10, 2012, 10:13:53 AM
@Sarahi

This isnt' just about the US Government being involved in the 9-11 attack. Yes, there are other countries involved to make it a world global government. I believe the Saudia's, Isreal, among others are all involved together. Yes, the attack happened on US SOIL, but other countries we're in on it and/or knew it was going to happen. There was sooooo many warnings that went unanswered prior to 9-11 warning there was going to be an attack. Some selective senators prior to 9-11 quit flying on commerical airlines prior to 9-11. On 9-11 over 500 Isreal's that worked at the WTC "called in sick" on 9-11. They we're aware of the attacks.

So Yes, other countries combine with USA, most countries either want more control over any natural resources, de-population, as long as the governments can keep acting like we're fighting with each other, it's call "false flag pre-text war", so they can rival all the citizens/people together to justify going to war. All countries have been doing this for hundred's of years.

It's a scam on a multi-scale level with all the countries.

It's no different with the mass media here to keep the races arguing with each other. Keep the distractions somewhere else while the real murderers of corrupt officials take away our last of our freedoms.

They just think we're too dumb to figure what they're doing out. Alex Jones is just one guy with a real passionate love for his country. For people who havent' listened/watched Alex Jones personally, will just think he's some quack conspiracy theorist. He's far from it. He's one of the true American Patriot that has been demonized in every level, to make it sound like he's working for the globalist.

When I first started listening to Alex Jones & his guests,I thought he was crazy, but I gave the guy a chance, & he's NEVER steered me wrong on any subject. He's studies these corrupt officials for 18 years, he knows what he's talking about. And his guest speakers are reputable from every high position in either journalism, medical, FBI, CDC, ATF, etc.....normal people that held high positions in their field, but we're either sick of the corruption or we're whistleblowers & we're fired for believing in our freedoms & constitution.

And those people have joined forces to stop & expose corruption & hopefully can hold people accountable for the deaths of over 3000 people in 9-11.
Not one person involved in 9-11 has been held accountable for all those deaths. Most have either been promoted or moved out of the department that anyone would be asking them questions. In otherwards the government is protecting those scum maggots. Sick!!

Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Tink on April 11, 2012, 05:02:39 PM
@LoveShyMichael - There will be Justice, For there's NO escaping GOD's Judgement!
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Katie2 on April 11, 2012, 05:50:36 PM
THe Iranian Mafia (now involved in Hollywood), HIRED Osama bin Laden. Someone TRIED to warn everyone...an Irish Princess and an American King.
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There are no "Irish princesses" there are descendants of families who controlled land for a time (my friend Mariah being an example) but Ireland overall does not have a monarchy since 1920.
Title: Re: 9/11 - The Ghost Plane "Theory"
Post by: Tink on April 12, 2012, 05:18:25 PM
THe Iranian Mafia (now involved in Hollywood), HIRED Osama bin Laden. Someone TRIED to warn everyone...an Irish Princess and an American King.
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There are no "Irish princesses" there are descendants of families who controlled land for a time (my friend Mariah being an example) but Ireland overall does not have a monarchy since 1920.

It's called speaking in allegory (definition:
1. a. The representation of abstract ideas or principles by characters, figures, or events in narrative, dramatic, or pictorial form.
b. A story, picture, or play employing such representation. John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress and Herman Melville's Moby Dick are allegories.
2. A symbolic representation: The blindfolded figure with scales is an allegory of justice.)
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