Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: TheKiddNerd on December 28, 2009, 11:12:36 PM
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I don't know if this was posted already. I looked for it but I couldn't find it anywhere.
Jermaine Jackson
December 14, 2009 by rob
Filed under U.S. News
The brother of Michael Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, has made a statement about his father that as seen from the stand point of Michael Jackson he was perceived him as cruel and harsh. Jermaine Jackson is of the firm view that his brother developed the erroneous perception about their father. He told that his father was not like the one his brother portrayed. He told that his brother, when he was alive, made wrong accusations on his father, Joe, according to reports of ContactMusic. Michael Jackson revealed many stories about this father how he used to scold and torture him not only physically but also psychologically.
The pop legend died few months ago due to intake of cocktail of drugs suggested by his doctor which resulted in his death. Many-time plastic surgeries had led to painful complications for which he had to use drugs to mitigate his pain. But excessive and frequent drug use had made him an addict.
Jermaine Jackson is of the view that his father played a vital role in their music endeavors which couldn’t be accomplished without him. Jermaine told that they are having the fruits of his father’s strictness which they hated at an immature age.
The points Jermaine has made carry weight but the timing of the statement seems inappropriate. Jermaine Jackson has come up to expurgate and exonerate his father from the allegations of his deceased brother at a time when he can not come up to counter them. Now a pertinent question arises where Jermaine Jackson was when Michael made these allegations.
Here's the link it you want to read it there: http://www.makli.com/jermaine-jackson-0016970/
I just find it wierd that Jermaine would say something like this. It's just confusing how all of a sudden the brothers are now stating that Joe's actions made them the men they are today (Recently On the Jack5ons Show).
What do you guys think? :|
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This is the first time that I have read that Michael's "many" surgeries made him into a drug addict. :?
And, yes, where was Jermaine when Michael made these allegations? I never heard him refute them before. I believe that he has always been jealous of Michael's stature and success. Remember his very bad, Bad response song. I don't think the Jackson 4 put together have as much talent as Michael has in half his pinky. A bunch of has been, hanger oners, trying to use their brother's name to get back in the spotlight, if you ask me. And, they are not doing a very good job of it either.
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This is the first time that I have read that Michael's "many" surgeries made him into a drug addict. :?
I nerver heard that before either :? ...What I read is that Michael was on painkillers after the pepsi accident...
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Jermaine is pathetic I thought he was a nice guy but to say Michael was lieng is just pathetic, who would make up stories about there father and stick to those stories for like 20 years screw Jermaine the jealousy is taking over his life
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Jermaine has always been jealous of MJ because before MJ came along Jermaine was the lead singer, and he got BOOTED :lol: because Michael is freakin awesome.. i think the Jack5on 5 family dynasty is just a mid life crisis hehe and they are trying to go back in time and be cool again lol but thats impossible without Michael Jackson in it DUH... Jermain NO ONE GIVES A CRUD ABOUT YOU MONEY GRUBBING A$$!!! W/out MJ your nothin
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After the fiasco with the 'Bashit' documentary there was another one done..This one was done to largely discredit Martin's doco...Anyway my point is, that in the second doco Jermaine and his mother and father all spoke out about some of the accusations Mike had alleged against Mr Jackson...Jermaine and his parents all stated that while Joe did hit the kids it was done out of love and things weren't as bad as Mike perceived them to be..During this same interview Mr and Mrs Jackson also said that Mike had his brothers to play with as a child and was not lonely...Now make of that what you will but Jermaine has definately spoken out before.
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There is something seriously wrong here...with Joe and Jermaine.
"something we made"? :twisted:
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well, michael stated that he had forgiven his dad and he also gave him credits for all the achievements he got..so, jermaine's statements are invalid. :D
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One word: PERCEPTION
How Michael was treated, in his own view, is perceived differently by Jermaine. What Michael saw as abusive, Jermain could just as easily view as Joseph being strict. It's all about PERCEPTION. Whatever Michael has claimed about his father is TRUE--it's Michael's TRUTH...not Jermaine's truth. And Michael's truth is not wrong, anymore than Jermaine's is. They both perceive their experiences differently. This is normal. This is human.
Michael loves his father. He has said on more than one occasion that he credits his father for the success of the J5. I have heard him in more than one interview call his father a genius, from whom he learned a lot. He has also said that he forgave his father and he loves him.
This statement was NOT made by Jermaine:
"he pop legend died few months ago due to intake of cocktail of drugs suggested by his doctor which resulted in his death. Many-time plastic surgeries had led to painful complications for which he had to use drugs to mitigate his pain. But excessive and frequent drug use had made him an addict." That is not a quote attributed to Jermaine in that article.
Also note that all of that info is on a blog, not something coming from a news source.
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I agree with Christiana.
It was said several times that he has excused his father.
And, it's said in the press that he made his several plastic surgeries to not have the face of this father. Is it true ?
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This is the first time that I have read that Michael's "many" surgeries made him into a drug addict. :?
could be true. easily.
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One word: PERCEPTION
How Michael was treated, in his own view, is perceived differently by Jermaine. What Michael saw as abusive, Jermain could just as easily view as Joseph being strict. It's all about PERCEPTION. Whatever Michael has claimed about his father is TRUE--it's Michael's TRUTH...not Jermaine's truth. And Michael's truth is not wrong, anymore than Jermaine's is. They both perceive their experiences differently. This is normal. This is human.
Michael loves his father. He has said on more than one occasion that he credits his father for the success of the J5. I have heard him in more than one interview call his father a genius, from whom he learned a lot. He has also said that he forgave his father and he loves him.
This statement was NOT made by Jermaine:
"he pop legend died few months ago due to intake of cocktail of drugs suggested by his doctor which resulted in his death. Many-time plastic surgeries had led to painful complications for which he had to use drugs to mitigate his pain. But excessive and frequent drug use had made him an addict." That is not a quote attributed to Jermaine in that article.
Also note that all of that info is on a blog, not something coming from a news source.
you are totally right.
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I don't believe it. I don't believe anything that comes from JerKmaine (if he really said that)
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One word: PERCEPTION
How Michael was treated, in his own view, is perceived differently by Jermaine. What Michael saw as abusive, Jermain could just as easily view as Joseph being strict. It's all about PERCEPTION. Whatever Michael has claimed about his father is TRUE--it's Michael's TRUTH...not Jermaine's truth. And Michael's truth is not wrong, anymore than Jermaine's is. They both perceive their experiences differently. This is normal. This is human.
Michael loves his father. He has said on more than one occasion that he credits his father for the success of the J5. I have heard him in more than one interview call his father a genius, from whom he learned a lot. He has also said that he forgave his father and he loves him.
This statement was NOT made by Jermaine:
"he pop legend died few months ago due to intake of cocktail of drugs suggested by his doctor which resulted in his death. Many-time plastic surgeries had led to painful complications for which he had to use drugs to mitigate his pain. But excessive and frequent drug use had made him an addict." That is not a quote attributed to Jermaine in that article.
Also note that all of that info is on a blog, not something coming from a news source.
I agree!! cause michael could never raise a hand over a child, or a person, or an animal...
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"The pop legend died few months ago due to intake of cocktail of drugs suggested by his doctor which resulted in his death. Many-time plastic surgeries had led to painful complications for which he had to use drugs to mitigate his pain. But excessive and frequent drug use had made him an addict."
I would like to know how and when did this guy know that... It could be easily just speculation.
And even for Jermaine's statement... when did he said that? The man who wrote this hasn't got the own words of Jermaine ...
But I do agree with Christiana, Michael may have not perceived his father behavior like Jermaine have.
Plus I agree, Michael has never claimed all along that his father was abusive. Many times in interview he said that he owed him for what he has become. I remember too "my father is a genius"
Michael is on earth thanks to him and his father raised him keeping him away from the criminality in his neighbourhood. He created the Jackson 5 and then, you know the following story ;) He was scared of him because of what he did to him when he was a child but Michael said he forgave him ...
We don't know the whole story afterall..
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Well, every personal experience is subjective. There's no point for Jermaine to make such value judgements regarding how MJ feels about his/their father...Hmmm.."Word to the Badd" by Jermaine.. I wonder who's the "badder..." lol! :lol:
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I don't know if this was posted already. I looked for it but I couldn't find it anywhere.
Jermaine Jackson
December 14, 2009 by rob
Filed under U.S. News
The brother of Michael Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, has made a statement about his father that as seen from the stand point of Michael Jackson he was perceived him as cruel and harsh. Jermaine Jackson is of the firm view that his brother developed the erroneous perception about their father. He told that his father was not like the one his brother portrayed. He told that his brother, when he was alive, made wrong accusations on his father, Joe, according to reports of ContactMusic. Michael Jackson revealed many stories about this father how he used to scold and torture him not only physically but also psychologically.
The pop legend died few months ago due to intake of cocktail of drugs suggested by his doctor which resulted in his death. Many-time plastic surgeries had led to painful complications for which he had to use drugs to mitigate his pain. But excessive and frequent drug use had made him an addict.
Jermaine Jackson is of the view that his father played a vital role in their music endeavors which couldn’t be accomplished without him. Jermaine told that they are having the fruits of his father’s strictness which they hated at an immature age.
The points Jermaine has made carry weight but the timing of the statement seems inappropriate. Jermaine Jackson has come up to expurgate and exonerate his father from the allegations of his deceased brother at a time when he can not come up to counter them. Now a pertinent question arises where Jermaine Jackson was when Michael made these allegations.
What do you guys think? :|
I don’t find this weird and I to some extent agree with Christiana. However wasn’t Jermaine the one directing "The American dream: The Jacksons" which was about how the brothers grew up together and it showed quite in details how Michael felt and how abusive their father was, it was real abuse not spanking. Did Jermaine change the truth or perhaps he didn’t have a lot to say during those making of the documentary which I doubt.
He later goes to do an interview together with his parents to support Joe and his actions, I don’t know wheter we have double morals or change of perspectives here…
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Only God, Michael and his Father, knows what went on when he was younger. All the Jackson siblings came out and said that Joseph was hard on them. Harshness affects children differently. All that Michael wanted was to be loved and for his Father to show him love. He did feel alone, even though he had his siblings, Michael wanted to play with children his own age that was not around the business. He was not able to have that. I read that Michael would sometime go walk on the street and ask people to be his friend. That's all he wanted. He wanted friendship. He wanted to play hide and seek. Have pillow fights. Do what children do. This is why as an adult, Michael was more comfortable around children because they wanted to have that fun. Children are true to nature. They will tell you what you sometime don't want to hear. It's that unconditional love that we all seek in our own lives.
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I don’t find this weird and I to some extent agree with Christiana. However wasn’t Jermaine the one directing "The American dream: The Jacksons" which was about how the brothers grew up together and it showed quite in details how Michael felt and how abusive their father was, it was real abuse not spanking. Did Jermaine change the truth or perhaps he didn’t have a lot to say during those making of the documentary which I doubt.
He later goes to do an interview together with his parents to support Joe and his actions, I don’t know wheter we have double morals or change of perspectives here…
Jermaine didn't direct The Jacksons: An American Dream. It was directed by Karen Arthur and written by Joyce Eliason. Jermaine was one of the movie's 5 producers.
And again, the term "abuse" is really rather subjective. Though we might find the depiction of Joseph's behavior as "abusive," I guarantee you there are plenty of people who do not. It's subjective and based on perception.
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It may have made them the men they are today... rich/successful.. but that doesn't mean that they have walked away from Joe's abuse unscathed.. I believe Michael had low self esteem due to the verbal abuse he suffered as a child. Perhaps, Jermaine didn't endure what Michael did.. because he wasn't Joe's golden child..
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Only God, Michael and his Father, knows what went on when he was younger. All the Jackson siblings came out and said that Joseph was hard on them. Harshness affects children differently. All that Michael wanted was to be loved and for his Father to show him love. He did feel alone, even though he had his siblings, Michael wanted to play with children his own age that was not around the business. He was not able to have that. I read that Michael would sometime go walk on the street and ask people to be his friend. That's all he wanted. He wanted friendship. He wanted to play hide and seek. Have pillow fights. Do what children do. This is why as an adult, Michael was more comfortable around children because they wanted to have that fun. Children are true to nature. They will tell you what you sometime don't want to hear. It's that unconditional love that we all seek in our own lives.
Great post, I agree with you.
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I agree ,children are differant and I believe Michael was more sensitive. People who were close to Michael ALL say that he would be the first to say that his childhood wa horrible but he would also tell you that he forgave his father. The most detailed he ever got are in those Rabbi tapes which is just hurtful to hear,but they are therapy tapes. He did not feel love from his father. I dont think his father had to be hard to make them famous or successful,and MJ would not have made such a point of raising his children differant than he was,if he were not effected in an adverse way.
This article does not quote Jermaine as saying Michael lied it quotes him as saying "he was wrong. This could mean that he feels Michael should have never said anything,maybe he felt it was going against their father,which I have a feeling alot of what Michael did was going against Joe Jackson.
As far as making them what they are today? What are they today? They have a show about what they used to be. I'm not saying that because I am MJ fan,EVERY child in a family does not have the exact same talent or draw.
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What moved me the most about Mike's relationship with Joseph was the fact that Joseph often criticised Mike after the concerts and even slapped him in the face. Then he introduced him into the hotel room full of girls, fans, groupies etc... They were giggling and Michael wanted to cry, he felt so humiliated but he had to pretend everything was ok... Just imagine how he must have felt... How cruel Joseph was... (Michael mentions that in Schmuley's book as far as I remember...) :?
I wonder if he did that to Jermaine... Probably not, because he stayed in Motown with his lovely wife... :roll:
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I agree ,children are differant and I believe Michael was more sensitive. People who were close to Michael ALL say that he would be the first to say that his childhood wa horrible but he would also tell you that he forgave his father. The most detailed he ever got are in those Rabbi tapes which is just hurtful to hear,but they are therapy tapes. He did not feel love from his father. I dont think his father had to be hard to make them famous or successful,and MJ would not have made such a point of raising his children differant than he was,if he were not effected in an adverse way.
This article does not quote Jermaine as saying Michael lied it quotes him as saying "he was wrong. This could mean that he feels Michael should have never said anything,maybe he felt it was going against their father,which I have a feeling alot of what Michael did was going against Joe Jackson.
As far as making them what they are today? What are they today? They have a show about what they used to be. I'm not saying that because I am MJ fan,EVERY child in a family does not have the exact same talent or draw.
lol ...what are they today.. they have a show about what they used to be .. that's true and hysterical neverlandprincess :lol:
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I agree ,children are differant and I believe Michael was more sensitive. People who were close to Michael ALL say that he would be the first to say that his childhood wa horrible but he would also tell you that he forgave his father. The most detailed he ever got are in those Rabbi tapes which is just hurtful to hear,but they are therapy tapes. He did not feel love from his father. I dont think his father had to be hard to make them famous or successful,and MJ would not have made such a point of raising his children differant than he was,if he were not effected in an adverse way.
This article does not quote Jermaine as saying Michael lied it quotes him as saying "he was wrong. This could mean that he feels Michael should have never said anything,maybe he felt it was going against their father,which I have a feeling alot of what Michael did was going against Joe Jackson.
As far as making them what they are today? What are they today? They have a show about what they used to be. I'm not saying that because I am MJ fan,EVERY child in a family does not have the exact same talent or draw.
lol ...what are they today.. they have a show about what they used to be .. that's true and hysterical neverlandprincess :lol:
Thanks Chance! :D
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What moved me the most about Mike's relationship with Joseph was the fact that Joseph often criticised Mike after the concerts and even slapped him in the face. Then he introduced him into the hotel room full of girls, fans, groupies etc... They were giggling and Michael wanted to cry, he felt so humiliated but he had to pretend everything was ok... Just imagine how he must have felt... How cruel Joseph was... (Michael mentions that in Schmuley's book as far as I remember...) :?
I wonder if he did that to Jermaine... Probably not, because he stayed in Motown with his lovely wife... :roll:
True.. I believe Michael really suffered.. and I don't have to live in the Jackson household to know this... I feel it in my bones every time I hear Joe speak.. he is cold..and very unemotional.. and if Michael is truly dead.. then Joe cares about no one except himself.. I will never .. and I mean never, forget Joe promoting his record label a few days after Michael's death
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alright, Jermaine needs to calm his a** down. chill out, stop trying to get the spotlight & look like a saint.
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Well.. sorry to publish bashir here but... Jermaine needs to Shut the !!!!!!!
(From 1.52 to the end)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHn_NSY-TM4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHn_NSY-TM4)
LMAO : good song !!! :lol: :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI8YnnoW_ko (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI8YnnoW_ko)
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that interview makes me tear up :cry: he looks torn to even throw his dad under the bus like that, even though joe beat him Michael was hesitant to give Joe that image...gosh i LOVE YOU MICHAEL HURRY UP AND COME BACK ALREADY
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Please become Smooth Criminals !
I respect all theories and perspectives. Being new on this forum may I speak freely ?
A Smooth Criminal has a very precise mind that Michael will prove in directing this very well planned hoax. The hoax itself is like a big Google Earth view (picture) made up of puzzle pieces, events and clues already executed and still to unfold. We can’t see nor do we know what the exact “Big Picture” is or will be. Of course we want answers and understanding and I’m as anxious as the next guy. We believe his motive for creating a death hoax is to find much needed relief from media battering, to gain mental and physical strength, to experience human freedom and everyday pleasures with his children and possibly to also make his wrongs right. It is all about healing, healing himself and spreading the importance of pure love. Pulling it off legally is a delicate matter.
Mic-HEAL along with his few chosen comrades are trying to get the job done. Let’s remind ourselves of the fact that MJ has left a financial mess of which his family is attempting to clean up. Yes, so far we have seen a fairly sloppy job of pulling off a believable death, which I imagine would be impossible coming from a family who are NOT TRUE CRIMINALS. As long as I believe that Mic-HEAL is in control or that his wishes are being followed, I have to trust the puzzle pieces that come to us have exact purpose and timing in the big picture. So, if Jermaine makes a public statement with whatever words he has to use (in MJ’s behalf) to clean up Joe’s image in the eyes of the enemy (the media & jacko nazis) so be it. A supposed dead man cannot make apologies. The Jackson show may have been created to help MJ’s estate generate cash to dig the dynasty out of debt and to create a distraction away from the reality of a hoax in process.
After all there is probably jealousy but MJ’s disappearance now give his brothers a chance to stand in the spotlight. I see that as a generous gift and part of his plan. The truth is the truth. Michael is about the truth, love and healing. Let’s focus on truth and not be sucked into getting off track.
Yes, it is a fact that any child star is doomed to become a bit abbie-normal and MJ was. I hope he is getting good therapy as part of his personal healing.
Forgive if I seem critical, I truly don’t mean to be because we all have opinions and are protective of Michael’s image – If he is monitoring us would he find it disturbing to hear his fans, us spending time spreading hatred by bashing family members and being sucked into self brainwashing when we could be spending time BEING INSIDE Michael’s head helping to serve the true purpose of his plan? Make L.O.V.E. not war.
Love to you all, LOVE to Michael
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omgosh ur right i feel guilty now... that is MJ's whole thing is L.O.V.E...and we are bashing his blodd and family who are most likely helping him make this possible...im sorry Michael i LOVE you super duper much ;)
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great post, karmaknowstruth.
i know you are right.
but i just...idk, i'm not too fond of Jermaine. he is constantly trying to take the spotlight. plus, i still find it unbelievable that Jermaine dedicated a song to Michael trashing him back then. he has not really done anything for me to gain respect for him again.
i hope i am wrong on that, though.
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I always try to keep the family bashing low-because so many threads get started that end that way. They do make it hard to respect them,but Michael never bashed his familly even when Latoya was at her all time lowest. As I said Jermaine didn't say "Michael lied" he said "Michael was wrong" and those are two differant interpretations. I don't believe Michael was in debt the way it was reported,there are many things to say he was not. In a nutshell,when what Jermaine says gets posted it is an effort to see if family is in on the hoax,but rehashing the hurts that Michael went through from his father does nothing but make us hurt too and we lash out at the Jackson family,just like the LMP threads get started for no real good reason and we do the same thing. Inevitably these threads get the most traffic and it doesn't have to be so. Lets not reopen Michaels' wounds on ourselves ,ok. ;)
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100% agree with you!
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I agree we shouldn't bash the family. I do respect and love his entire family but sometimes I do not agree with some of their actions. But there is 5 brothers who all have a different perspective of Joe and his actions. Michael perspective was that Joe was abusive and the other's seem to all agree that he was strict but helped them become the men they are today. Jermaine should have just stated that we all have different opinions about Joe. Instead of him just putting Michael on the chopping block for his previous statements about Joe. That would have seem more appropriate to me...but I'm only and outsider looking in. Michael has forgiven and has put it all behind him. So who am I to continue to dislike Joe or any of the rest of them for what they've done in the past. But I believe that the family all have a part that they play and at the end they will all recieve an standing ovation from us...because they've done well ;) :D
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But why would Jermaine say something like that when MIchael's alive?
He's making his own brother unbelievable. ( If you know what I mean)
Now some people think: ' OH, see! Michael jackson just needs attention!'
Ofcourse, we don't think that, but other people do!
The naive people who believe everything that appears on their tv.
I don't think Michael would be happy about what Jermaine said. . .
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xJolene...your sig is hot oh man with him in that towel ah man the kness wobble :oops:
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xJolene...your sig is hot oh man with him in that towel ah man the kness wobble :oops:
LOL :lol:
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Yeahhhh right .... What do I think? I think Jermaine should just SHUT UP!!!! :twisted:
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Yeahhhh right .... What do I think? I think Jermaine should just SHUT UP!!!! :twisted:
I absolutely quote you...just shut up! :lol:
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Jermaine is a very sad man. He's in his fifties and still harborring jealously over his brother since the Jackson 5. He needs to get over himself and stop trying to out shine someone that he could never hold a candle to. I guess he honestly thought after MJ went away it would be his time to be in the spotlight. Nobody cares about him! If he continues to bash MJ none of his so called ventures will ever get off the ground. MJ has millions of fans for life. He doesn't even have 5. That A&E series may not have good ratings if he continues to talk. He's definitely not a wise man. Keep the Faith!
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I'm not sure what's wrong with Jermaine... Maybe he tries to make Michael Jackson go out and tell that he is alive, and Jermaine is absoloutely wrong.
Jermaine is probably a brother I would never like to have. He is jealous, he thinks he is the best, "He do anything for money.. Would even sell his soul to the devil.." Hope it's a fake article, and never was said, but just made for money.. Or else I seriously wish Jermaine were dead.
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Families are very complicated and people deal with abuse in different ways.
As someone who grew up in an abusive environment, i can understand why the siblings say and percieve differences. Often abuse from parents drives a wedge between the siblings, especially when one is seen as more talented and special than the others.
Michael percieved his abuse as a child as exactly that, abuse... and he was the one in the spotlight, Michael was the star so Jermaine had an easier life than MJ in many respects. Michael had all the responsibility of the Jackson 5 on his shoulders. Im sure MJ sensed his siblings rivalry and jealously too.
I do not think Jermaine is wrong.. i think parents are in the wrong for doing what they did to their children and causing all these problems. Jermaine is probably still struggling with his demons.
I think it took many years for MJ to even accept what had happened and he obviously worked hard to overcome his demons and find peace with his father.
Michael was a very sensitive man.. he internalised all the abuse he suffered and it affected him greatly. When your father beats you when you are a defenceless child it stays with you for life.
I can say that the abuse MJ describes in Bashir is authentic. He isnt lying. It mirrored my situation so closely the hairs on the back of my neck stood on end.
I remember when i first saw that interview, and i saw MJ describe his beatings and i knew he was telling the truth. I cried buckets and for the first time i began to really "get" Michael and why he was why he was.
Maybe Jermaine didnt see all the abuse that took place. Maybe Jermaine wasnt in the room when the worst happened.
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Ahhh.....You hold Jermain simply the mouth
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Sorry, but I don't consider myself bashing the family.. Michael could be sending a message through Jermaine.. but he may not be.. we just don't know ..and I am sorry but I don't like Jermaine making Michael look like he was lying or being a drama king..Jermaine should only speak about his experience..
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Sorry, but I don't consider myself bashing the family.. Michael could be sending a message through Jermaine.. but he may not be.. we just don't know ..and I am sorry but I don't like Jermaine making Michael look like he was lying or being a drama king..Jermaine should only speak about his experience..
I do understand what you are saying. I think Jermaine should tell his side of the story if he wishes.. but he should say something like "Michael has his own experiences and perception on his childhood and i cannot comment on that. I can only comment on my own feelings"
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I do not think everything what Jermain does are instructions MJs
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@Dancingthedream,your story is very moving and I have heard others like it. My mom understand MJ when he talks about throwing up when his dad would just look at him.
@Chance,my post wasnt directed at you or anyone,it was just to put things in perspective-there HAS been threads that was total family bashing...and I was saying how it could progress into that and turn into something that has nothing to do with the hoax,only about Michaels pain which hurts us all to talk about.
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@Dancingthedream,your story is very moving and I have heard others like it. My mom understand MJ when he talks about throwing up when his dad would just look at him.
@Chance,my post wasnt directed at you or anyone,it was just to put things in perspective-there HAS been threads that was total family bashing...and I was saying how it could progress into that and turn into something that has nothing to do with the hoax,only about Michaels pain which hurts us all to talk about.
Hi neverlandprincess..my post wasn't directed at you..you have always been kind
It was in response to karmaknowsthetruth.. he/she felt we were bashing the family .. perhaps because you and I were laughing about the Jackson brothers show..
I personally don't feel like I bash Michael's family at all.. I have actually grown to like all the brothers since I started watching.. with the exception of Jermaine. I don't see anything wrong with having a sense of humour
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Sorry, but I don't consider myself bashing the family.. Michael could be sending a message through Jermaine.. but he may not be.. we just don't know ..and I am sorry but I don't like Jermaine making Michael look like he was lying or being a drama king..Jermaine should only speak about his experience..
Sorry, I don't think Michael would use Jermaine to send us a message .. I mean... Jermaine..NO WAY!!! He is just jealous of Michael, he's always been jealous of him .
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Sorry, but I don't consider myself bashing the family.. Michael could be sending a message through Jermaine.. but he may not be.. we just don't know ..and I am sorry but I don't like Jermaine making Michael look like he was lying or being a drama king..Jermaine should only speak about his experience..
Sorry, I don't think Michael would use Jermaine to send us a message .. I mean... Jermaine..NO WAY!!! He is just jealous of Michael, he's always been jealous of him .
I agree ..I get the impression that Jermaine feels/felt that he could have been the big star .. if it weren't for Michael .. I'm not bashing Jermaine .. Just observations I have made
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IMO, I believe Michael was abused, and I'm not sure how anyone can call it just being "strict" when you hear what he describes in the Shmuley tapes. Sometimes when people get older they mellow out and become kinder, which is what seems to be the case with Joe. I would imagine the anger they had as children subsided when they saw the change in him, especially as it seems he's been touched with senility, so it's easier for them to forgive and forget. As far as Jermaine goes, I'll refrain from publicly bashing him, but do yourselves a favour and read his ex-"wife's" book, "Jackson Family Values". If even a quarter of it is true, I can see why Jermaine defends Joe's abuse, and why Michael distanced himself from his family. And, unfortunately, I can also see why there were no tears from most of the family if he really did pass. :(
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Hello. I'm new in your company and I greet you from Greece. I follow this hoax death story almost from the beggining but I still haven't figure out the role of Jermaine in all of this.
What do you think about him ?
and btw what had happened with Bashir ? i missed that. THANKS A LOT :|
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IMO, I believe Michael was abused, and I'm not sure how anyone can call it just being "strict" when you hear what he describes in the Shmuley tapes. Sometimes when people get older they mellow out and become kinder, which is what seems to be the case with Joe. I would imagine the anger they had as children subsided when they saw the change in him, especially as it seems he's been touched with senility, so it's easier for them to forgive and forget. As far as Jermaine goes, I'll refrain from publicly bashing him, but do yourselves a favour and read his ex-"wife's" book, "Jackson Family Values". If even a quarter of it is true, I can see why Jermaine defends Joe's abuse, and why Michael distanced himself from his family. And, unfortunately, I can also see why there were no tears from most of the family if he really did pass. :(
could you please elaborate? I don't know where I can find the book plus i don't have money and Internet connection for now. I'm stuck on my phone :/
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Gosh, I wouldn't know where to start! :lol: She witnessed some seriously crazy things living at Hayvenhurst for 8 years...Jermaine sounds like a real piece of work, along with the rest of the family. She was very kind to Michael in the book though. You can read it here... http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/jfv/jfv0axxa.html (http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/jfv/jfv0axxa.html) or perhaps they'd have the book at the library? It's really worth the read!
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thank you very muchoooo :)
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Gosh, I wouldn't know where to start! :lol: She witnessed some seriously crazy things living at Hayvenhurst for 8 years...Jermaine sounds like a real piece of work, along with the rest of the family. She was very kind to Michael in the book though. You can read it here... http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/jfv/jfv0axxa.html (http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/jfv/jfv0axxa.html) or perhaps they'd have the book at the library? It's really worth the read!
Wow..Is all I can say right now :shock: I just got finished reading that book and just wow. Seriously if what she spoke of is true in it's entirely than the Jackson's are crazier than I thought. And that Jermaine is geez...something else. I've had gotten a good laugh off of that book. Thanks for the link ILuvUMoreMJ :D
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I don't think Jermaine telling everyone Michael was Wrong is a clue....??? How is this a clue?? :?:
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This is the first time that I have read that Michael's "many" surgeries made him into a drug addict. :?
And, yes, where was Jermaine when Michael made these allegations? I never heard him refute them before. I believe that he has always been jealous of Michael's stature and success. Remember his very bad, Bad response song. I don't think the Jackson 4 put together have as much talent as Michael has in half his pinky. A bunch of has been, hanger oners, trying to use their brother's name to get back in the spotlight, if you ask me. And, they are not doing a very good job of it either.
Michael was in detox in the 90's. You can prob find a youtube vid of Dame Taylor's press conference about it.
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Well around my house it's the same except my mother is like Joe. She believes that getting whooped with a belt is discipline and that it is a way of showing a child that u love them. She thinks that because she always goes by "You spare the rod u spoil the child" which is probably what Joe was trying to use. I feel like Michael because even if we do something wrong there is no excuse for hitting a child with a belt or anything else. But basically they do this because excuse my language on this they would rather kick our ass before someone we dont know does. It is also said as a teaching for us to be rough or ready for if someone steps in our face but I won't start with that. But anyway Jermaine was talkin about this in the second Bashir documentary what we weren't suppose to see and i really didn't know what to say abt it but there is always going to be 2 sides to a story. Everyone takes the word abuse( a very strong word) in a diferent way and from a different perspective. The way Michael thinks of abuse is a totally diferent way Jermaine sees abuse which is normal. But we will never really know the whole story only God,Michael,and Joe will know.
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Gosh, I wouldn't know where to start! :lol: She witnessed some seriously crazy things living at Hayvenhurst for 8 years...Jermaine sounds like a real piece of work, along with the rest of the family. She was very kind to Michael in the book though. You can read it here... http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/jfv/jfv0axxa.html (http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/jfv/jfv0axxa.html) or perhaps they'd have the book at the library? It's really worth the read!
Wow..Is all I can say right now :shock: I just got finished reading that book and just wow. Seriously if what she spoke of is true in it's entirely than the Jackson's are crazier than I thought. And that Jermaine is geez...something else. I've had gotten a good laugh off of that book. Thanks for the link ILuvUMoreMJ :D
You're welcome! It's a pretty crazy read, literally. :lol: It gives you a different perspective for sure, even if you did think they were dysfunctional to begin with. She could be making stuff up, but for some reason I think she seems pretty legit.
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IMO, I believe Michael was abused, and I'm not sure how anyone can call it just being "strict" when you hear what he describes in the Shmuley tapes. Sometimes when people get older they mellow out and become kinder, which is what seems to be the case with Joe. I would imagine the anger they had as children subsided when they saw the change in him, especially as it seems he's been touched with senility, so it's easier for them to forgive and forget. As far as Jermaine goes, I'll refrain from publicly bashing him, but do yourselves a favour and read his ex-"wife's" book, "Jackson Family Values". If even a quarter of it is true, I can see why Jermaine defends Joe's abuse, and why Michael distanced himself from his family. And, unfortunately, I can also see why there were no tears from most of the family if he really did pass. :(
I agree with you completely. I think Jermaine defends Joe's behavior just because he behaves like him. there. I said it. I hope he won't sue me for that :shock: :lol:
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Well around my house it's the same except my mother is like Joe. She believes that getting whooped with a belt is discipline and that it is a way of showing a child that u love them. She thinks that because she always goes by "You spare the rod u spoil the child" which is probably what Joe was trying to use. I feel like Michael because even if we do something wrong there is no excuse for hitting a child with a belt or anything else. But basically they do this because excuse my language on this they would rather kick our ass before someone we dont know does. It is also said as a teaching for us to be rough or ready for if someone steps in our face but I won't start with that. But anyway Jermaine was talkin about this in the second Bashir documentary what we weren't suppose to see and i really didn't know what to say abt it but there is always going to be 2 sides to a story. Everyone takes the word abuse( a very strong word) in a diferent way and from a different perspective. The way Michael thinks of abuse is a totally diferent way Jermaine sees abuse which is normal. But we will never really know the whole story only God,Michael,and Joe will know.
I was raised on the idea that if you did something wrong, you get spanked. I get sick and tired of people comparing spanking to abuse. I was never beaten an inch of my life, my mother and father have never got so angry with me that they beat the crap out of me. If I did something that I was not suppose to do, they gave me a warning first, saying if I did that action again, I would get a spanking. Most of time, I would just listen. But the few times I did not listen, I got a spanken. Most people I know have grew up like this. And I don't believe it is a bad method, when done the right way. But what Joe did was NOT THE SAME as what my parents did. Joe did it a million times worse, and it seems in most cases, for no reason what so ever. Heck, when Michael talked about how Joe would make him strip naked and oil him down just so he get beat him, well that sounds more than just physical, but sexual abuse. What Joe did was wrong, of course. But not all parents who spank their children are not Joe Jackson.
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Well around my house it's the same except my mother is like Joe. She believes that getting whooped with a belt is discipline and that it is a way of showing a child that u love them. She thinks that because she always goes by "You spare the rod u spoil the child" which is probably what Joe was trying to use. I feel like Michael because even if we do something wrong there is no excuse for hitting a child with a belt or anything else. But basically they do this because excuse my language on this they would rather kick our ass before someone we dont know does. It is also said as a teaching for us to be rough or ready for if someone steps in our face but I won't start with that. But anyway Jermaine was talkin about this in the second Bashir documentary what we weren't suppose to see and i really didn't know what to say abt it but there is always going to be 2 sides to a story. Everyone takes the word abuse( a very strong word) in a diferent way and from a different perspective. The way Michael thinks of abuse is a totally diferent way Jermaine sees abuse which is normal. But we will never really know the whole story only God,Michael,and Joe will know.
I was raised on the idea that if you did something wrong, you get spanked. I get sick and tired of people comparing spanking to abuse. I was never beaten an inch of my life, my mother and father have never got so angry with me that they beat the crap out of me. If I did something that I was not suppose to do, they gave me a warning first, saying if I did that action again, I would get a spanking. Most of time, I would just listen. But the few times I did not listen, I got a spanken. Most people I know have grew up like this. And I don't believe it is a bad method, when done the right way. But what Joe did was NOT THE SAME as what my parents did. Joe did it a million times worse, and it seems in most cases, for no reason what so ever. Heck, when Michael talked about how Joe would make him strip naked and oil him down just so he get beat him, well that sounds more than just physical, but sexual abuse. What Joe did was wrong, of course. But not all parents who spank their children are not Joe Jackson.
Well i can only agree with you BUT that is the name my friends named my mom lols because of the whoopings we get. Now my mother and believed in drop them draws and dats NOT sexual abuse she wants to make it hurt so u know next time not to do it but we seem to do it again. Now if Michael believed of it as abuse well that's what he believes i think of it this way it hurts but I'm raised better than half of my friends i know now because their mom lets them hang out all times of the day and night but i don't because my mom is worried and around here I'm scared to walk to and from school but i do it.
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Well around my house it's the same except my mother is like Joe. She believes that getting whooped with a belt is discipline and that it is a way of showing a child that u love them. She thinks that because she always goes by "You spare the rod u spoil the child" which is probably what Joe was trying to use. I feel like Michael because even if we do something wrong there is no excuse for hitting a child with a belt or anything else. But basically they do this because excuse my language on this they would rather kick our ass before someone we dont know does. It is also said as a teaching for us to be rough or ready for if someone steps in our face but I won't start with that. But anyway Jermaine was talkin about this in the second Bashir documentary what we weren't suppose to see and i really didn't know what to say abt it but there is always going to be 2 sides to a story. Everyone takes the word abuse( a very strong word) in a diferent way and from a different perspective. The way Michael thinks of abuse is a totally diferent way Jermaine sees abuse which is normal. But we will never really know the whole story only God,Michael,and Joe will know.
I was raised on the idea that if you did something wrong, you get spanked. I get sick and tired of people comparing spanking to abuse. I was never beaten an inch of my life, my mother and father have never got so angry with me that they beat the crap out of me. If I did something that I was not suppose to do, they gave me a warning first, saying if I did that action again, I would get a spanking. Most of time, I would just listen. But the few times I did not listen, I got a spanken. Most people I know have grew up like this. And I don't believe it is a bad method, when done the right way. But what Joe did was NOT THE SAME as what my parents did. Joe did it a million times worse, and it seems in most cases, for no reason what so ever. Heck, when Michael talked about how Joe would make him strip naked and oil him down just so he get beat him, well that sounds more than just physical, but sexual abuse. What Joe did was wrong, of course. But not all parents who spank their children are not Joe Jackson.
Well i can only agree with you BUT that is the name my friends named my mom lols because of the whoopings we get. Now my mother and believed in drop them draws and dats NOT sexual abuse she wants to make it hurt so u know next time not to do it but we seem to do it again. Now if Michael believed of it as abuse well that's what he believes i think of it this way it hurts but I'm raised better than half of my friends i know now because their mom lets them hang out all times of the day and night but i don't because my mom is worried and around here I'm scared to walk to and from school but i do it.
And well some people think a spanking is different from a whooping because a whooping is with a belt and spanking is the hand. Michael probably believed it was abuse because he got beat with a belt as of that's how i get whooped
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I got Whooped With A Wood With Five Holes Drilled In It And She Drew All Three Of Our Faces On The Paddle Haha That Really Hurt Me Left Me Sore For Days... And When We Turned Around To Go To Our Rooms, Our Step Father Would Hit You Behind The Knees So You Buckle And Fall And Threw My Brother Against The Dresser And Almost Tore His Ear Off...But That Was In Our Younger Years They Kinda Stopped As We Got To Our Late Teens...But I Never Found It To Be Abusive We Just Learned To Stay Out Of The Way And You Will Be Just Fine... But If My Brothers Were To Say It Was Abuse I Wouldn't Say He Were Wrong, I Probably Wouldn't Even Comment On It
Jermaine...EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT VIEWS, JUS BECAUSE THEY DONT MATCH WITH YOURS DOESN"T MAKE IT WRONG...Peace To You Though And God Bless You :D
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mj5starchick Your Sig Is So Cool....Michael Looks So Good In Those Pictures :oops: :oops:
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I don't know if the source is worth to be trust. This person "rob" also states that Michael died from drug abuse which we consider to be wrong. I have no proof that it is Jermaine's speech.
Plus it also states "Jermaine told that they are having the fruits of his father’s strictness which they hated at an immature age." If they hated it, it can only legitimate Michael's allegations. So this article is confusing to me.
I don't know where does this hate for Jermaine comes from, I surely missed something but don't forget that he several times had to defend his brother against the bad allegations made against him. If they are problems in the family we cannot be the judges, it's not our concern and I think it's not a good thing to make it public, it's also privacy.
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mj5starchick Your Sig Is So Cool....Michael Looks So Good In Those Pictures :oops: :oops:
lols thnx i see you ladies really like my signature lols im glad you guys love it tho :D :D :D
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IMO, I believe Michael was abused, and I'm not sure how anyone can call it just being "strict" when you hear what he describes in the Shmuley tapes. Sometimes when people get older they mellow out and become kinder, which is what seems to be the case with Joe. I would imagine the anger they had as children subsided when they saw the change in him, especially as it seems he's been touched with senility, so it's easier for them to forgive and forget. As far as Jermaine goes, I'll refrain from publicly bashing him, but do yourselves a favour and read his ex-"wife's" book, "Jackson Family Values". If even a quarter of it is true, I can see why Jermaine defends Joe's abuse, and why Michael distanced himself from his family. And, unfortunately, I can also see why there were no tears from most of the family if he really did pass. :(
I agree with you completely. I think Jermaine defends Joe's behavior just because he behaves like him. there. I said it.
I'm glad someone did! :lol: