Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Revisiting Old Stuff => Topic started by: bec on January 09, 2014, 09:14:20 AM
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What keeps you here? Aka, what makes you keep watching?
Approaching 5 years, arguably the hoax has hit an impasse, the radio silence is deafening, and it's tempting to give up and throw in the towel and yet... there are many still here, lurking, waiting, watching. Why? What are you waiting for?
I don't know what happened, I don't know if we made it all up, but the amount of time that has passed combined with this complete and utter silence from hoax HQ, makes me seriously doubt that this project has an ending even remotely like what we used to speculate and even expect to come to fruition.
I do now wonder if this is how MJ chose to exit his public life, and this is the legacy he chose for his persona; the perpetual hoax, to lay the foundation for permanent expectations to top Elvis, to keep an underground facet of faithful, ever waiting for his hoax to be revealed--and leave it that way forever. The ultimate man of mystery, left a mystery for the ages. Our generation's Elvis, and maybe that was good enough for him.
So tell me what you think. Why are you still here? What keeps you hanging on?
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What do I think? Well I don't think he died on 25th June 2009. After that I haven't a clue what happened.
It seemed such a plausible, deliberate 'in your face' hoax. Correct that, it still does. It seemed so 'Michael Jackson'. It still does. But this last year with ridiculous ongoing lawsuits the purpose of which I don't understand, and other stuff that has made me reassess things, I think plans have been changed. Circumstances change, as do goals and ambitions. I'm thinking increasingly like you bec, that this is how it's going to be forever. He's not coming back.
Here's a post I wrote a month ago, which is still relevant, saying some of what you're now saying Bec:
Quote from: marumjj on December 10, 2013, 02:06:32 AM (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24202.msg448804.html#msg448804)The title "It's your fault" makes me think of CM. angry, used and discarded, perhaps "someone" let go his hand.
Your comment here resonated with something that's been nagging at the back of my mind for some time now.
I've long thought that many, if not most, of the popularly held hoax ideas (reasons, who's involved, comeback etc), have just been the products of hoaxers' hopes and imaginations, encouraged by various online 'characters'. What we know that has actually come directly from MJ himself (not that that necessarily = the truth) is very thin on the ground.
Increasingly, with what I've learnt about MJ over these past 4 years, I think he may well not be planning on coming back. He could have made his hoax obvious, to those who care to see, not because he wants us to know he's ok and will be back, but because he wants to ensure, for himself, eternal mystery, attention, controversy, questions, 'is he?', 'isn't he?'
But ... each time I 'settle' on this idea and start to regain my life back, Murray pops up, either in my head or in the media and I'm back to square one! Where does Murray fit into my 'eternal mystery' theory? He's always been a pivotal part of the hoax for me. Why would he have even agreed to be a part of all this, knowing it was going to shatter his life forever? How can his situation be resolved with his reputation intact if we don't get a big hoax reveal?
So, that brings me back to your comment, marumjj. Could it be that Murray signed up to x number of years' work before MJ's reveal and all the
accolades start pouring in - but - MJ changed his mind, changed his plans, likes being 'dead' and isn't going to come back any more? Leaving Murray angry and out to destroy what's left of the reputation of the man he trusted? Perhaps his threatened 'bombshell' was a message to MJ. After all, Murray could blow apart MJ's plans in an instant.
"Stories buried and untold
Someone is hiding the truth, hold on
When will this mystery unfold
And will the sun ever shine
In the blind man's eyes when he cries?"
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24202.msg448807.html#msg448807 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24202.msg448807.html#msg448807)
I also remember saying to Sweetsunset that MJ's dreams may not be the same as ours. We just hoped or assumed or were led to believe they were.
So, why am I still here? What keeps me hanging on? Unfinished business. Hope that I'm wrong. Hope that the unthinkable can and will happen, not wanting to be the fool who leaves just before the miracle happens. Hope that I'm not destined to be the family idiot forever and to have it proved, to myself, that I'm a gullible idiot while I thought I was being so 'in tune', so 'open minded'. Hope is just about all I have left. I have talked myself out of pretty much everything I 'believed' or 'knew'.
Everything except that MJ didn't die in 2009 and Murray, as the weirdest 'doctor' ever, is the key to everything.
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What keeps me watching.
Not the believe there wil be a bamsday,after 4 years i have no hope left for that.
I think it is more disbelieve :( that keeps me hanging here.
Disbelieve that MJ and his family let people who are so loyal to them live this rollercoaster for 4 years.
Dont let the people who deserve it suffer,but the people who wil fight for you.
Because for me it was not only fun..i have had family/,,friends,, fights about it(speaking for myself)
Stil hanging here not understanding why nobody speaks his mind about this?? (like you do Bec)
Waiting for Souza what she thinks(Why this big silent?)
I dont understand why people dont take a stand finaly.
Or are we supoose to wait for the rest of our lives? and let them play with us like we are a bunch of fruitcakes? :icon_geek:
I wanted justice and respect for Michael..and would do everything to help.
But this is not fighting for justice..this is starting to looke more and more like a verry cruel game!
I am waiting for closure,one way or the other,
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I am also still here. I don't know what I am waiting for.
Maybe I am waiting for closure,one way or the other, as Mattie... :icon_e_confused:
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I have only 1 answer to give you.
The only thing that keeps me here, brings me back here, prevent me from going away from here, is LOVE.
I love Michael, and as long as i will, i will have this stupid hope for something, anything...
I feel like a dog, sitting on his master's grave, rather waiting for his comeback, rather keeping the place... i don't know.
There is something between hope and loyalty for the love you felt and still feel.
I never actually thought MJ would be back, because i think the could actually be his final curtain call. i guess if he doesn't come back, it is "for the best" to his eyes. But as long as i feel love for him, i'll be around, just because this place is a symbol of the hope we have.
If not close to MJ, where else could we stay ? I have a life, very busy, and happy, butI will always have this special place for MJ, this special thing that brings me here. Maybe not everyday, but always.
I know it feels sad to realise there is nothing to "wait for", but i think the most important is not to "wait". It's just to be there, to trust and to love, no matter what.
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What keeps you here? Aka, what makes you keep watching?
Approaching 5 years, arguably the hoax has hit an impasse, the radio silence is deafening, and it's tempting to give up and throw in the towel and yet... there are many still here, lurking, waiting, watching. Why? What are you waiting for?
I don't know what happened, I don't know if we made it all up, but the amount of time that has passed combined with this complete and utter silence from hoax HQ, makes me seriously doubt that this project has an ending even remotely like what we used to speculate and even expect to come to fruition.
I do now wonder if this is how MJ chose to exit his public life, and this is the legacy he chose for his persona; the perpetual hoax, to lay the foundation for permanent expectations to top Elvis, to keep an underground facet of faithful, ever waiting for his hoax to be revealed--and leave it that way forever. The ultimate man of mystery, left a mystery for the ages. Our generation's Elvis, and maybe that was good enough for him.
So tell me what you think. Why are you still here? What keeps you hanging on?
The answer---> Jermaine: "HE HAD A 5 YRS PLAN AFTER THIS IS IT"
Ok my theory is as follows: Michael began his hoax after Obama's Presidency (Jan 20, 2009) I believe that without his help Michael wouldn't be able to pull this hoax off so Michael counted AT LEAST with those 4 years term to get it right, now in case Obama were reelected (that has been the case) Michael would be able to extend his hoax one more year and here is when Jermaine comes to tell us that Michael had 5 year plan AFTER TII, so IMO the hoax could have lasted 4 years or can last 5 years that's my theory but doesn't mean is the correct one.
Why I'm still here? because Michael can't remain as a druggie child molester, I 'm still thinking that 2014 = 7 is the right year.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AbHkTLCeLM[/youtube]
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I have no bloody idea! :WTF:
I need to know what really happened to him, but have not found anything I can really believe in yet. :icon_e_confused:
I also want the world to know that he was innocent. :screaming-7365:
I will still be popping in as long as this place is here. :bearhug:
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Michael said..... the best is yet to come...keep the faith...believe....it's a great adventure....love is important....this is it... :moonwalk_:
Stay strong guys...UNITED IN L.O.V.E. !!!! :bearhug:
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I'm here because it's become part of my daily life and routine, and thinking patterns for 4+ years. It's been a high like from a drug and I don't want to go off, because I'm afraid of the withdrawal pain. I sacrificed/invested the time I would have otherwise focused on other things that would have benefited my body, job, family, friends, pets, house, yard, etc. Yet, it was something my deepest soul had responded to; a life-changing opportunity to follow a dream; perhaps a fantasy adventure, perhaps an alternative reality. IDK.
I found something I wanted to believe in with all my heart, and don't want to let it go that easily. I'm still hoping 4 a return and justice of sorts. Whatever happens, happens!
Like one said above, I've fallen deeply in love with the man and what he stands for, and I'm going to hang in there, while loving the world-wide strong family who also loves him. I know MJ's alive, and whatever he decides to do with his 'ghost'life is up to him! I hope this site remains open, but if not I hope it will remain as read only because of the massive valuable archive it contains. I appreciate each of your perspectives.
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I'm here waiting for my cane refund..
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I'm waiting for the truth.
There are too many bizarre circumstances surrounding Michael's death. If it's not a hoax... I believe his death was deliberate, a set up. Michael was a very intelligent, self-educated, and self-aware man. There is no doubt in my mind... Michael would NOT use propofol as a sleeping medication. Michael cared about his health, but mostly, Michael cared beyond measure for his children. I do not for one second believe that Michael would ask for propofol without knowing what it was supposed to be used for or the risks. For that reason, there is no way Michael would use propofol knowing that he may not wake up and leave his three children as orphans.
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Dear friends,
please, before you resign, consider that the hoax process has changed, has moved forward, uses different ways of input and contribution now.
MJ is very very close and only scarcely hidden via his youtube and twitter accounts.
Please don't fight me, I just tell you to consider that and decide for yourself.
Best wishes to you all!
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I wasn't here a few weeks and come back....why.....so much heartbeats, goosebumps and sleepless nights......at the beginning so sure thyt there will be a BAM and now only stupid stories....i am not up to date, but i think there is nothing serious out there.
Remember the time we join together :bearhug:
Love to the Hoax Family :)
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I didn't realize we COULD leave! ;D
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Things don't always go as planned. Like Curls wrote, maybe there has been change of plans?!
I think faith and inner knowing is what keeps people here; People are not ready to give up yet. "..It's difficult to wait, but it's more difficult to regret."
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Things don't always go as planned. Like Curls wrote, maybe there has been change of plans?!
I think faith and inner knowing is what keeps people here; People are not ready to give up yet. "..It's difficult to wait, but it's more difficult to regret."
I'm sure of that!!
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I'm waiting for the truth.
There are too many bizarre circumstances surrounding Michael's death. If it's not a hoax... I believe his death was deliberate, a set up. Michael was a very intelligent, self-educated, and self-aware man. There is no doubt in my mind... Michael would NOT use propofol as a sleeping medication. Michael cared about his health, but mostly, Michael cared beyond measure for his children. I do not for one second believe that Michael would ask for propofol without knowing what it was supposed to be used for or the risks. For that reason, there is no way Michael would use propofol knowing that he may not wake up and leave his three children as orphans.
I do agree with a lot of the comments here, but just like Bonnie, I just want to know the truth, whether it's good or bad. And as you know, I started to doubt (quite some time ago) if this is really Michael's hoax. Just today, I watched some disturbing vids, which contents I don't entirely agree with (because of real harsh comments on Michael), however it COULD be true. And I don't mean he has chosen this pact with evil himself, but that he was forced at a very young age or did it under influence (mindcontrol). And when Michael decided he wanted to break free, they made his life a living hell. Maybe he is murdered because he 'broke the oath' or they made a deal with him to disappear and he would be left alone by them, in order for them to make more money on him, thus 'the hoax'. I read so many horrible things about the entertainment industry that nothing surprises me anymore. And just like Bonnie said, the way he 'died' isn't Michael, nor all the garbage that followed last year. This is simply not in his hands anymore. This is not simply a change of plans, I just don't believe that for a second.
There are four vids, please watch them all (they're not that long) I would like to know what you think. And please realise that this is hard for me, because I don't WANT this to be true. And you also have to realise that Jermaine has suggested that their father may have arranged for Michael to be used by older men. He tells how his father had Michael join late-night hotel room meetings with “important business people.”
Jermaine wondered whether “something happened” to Michael at those sessions. He said he sensed something was wrong because Michael would be sick for days after. “What was Joseph doing?” Jermaine said. I think this could be an indication that Michael was 'sold' (too young to realise what really was happening). And I know Jermaine denies he was co writing a book about it, bit I read that was true after all. But he regretted it I guess.
Edit: please understand that in no way I believe Michael was a satanist, on the contrary, maybe this was his way to try to reveal 'them' but it could also be that he really was under their control. Maybe that's why he had multiple 'personas'. I just want to know the truth, that's why I'm looking at all the options, also the terrible ones.
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I agree with your post Do. In fact, I've been thinking lately that mind control is what may have happened to MJ. There are, again, many contradictions/inconsistencies to/in that theory. So we really don't know what may have happened to him.
I don't know why I'm still here. Maybe I got used to waiting and not visiting this forum gives some discomfort and anxiety like I might be missing out on some imp news.
it's like a point of no return. :icon_e_geek:
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So come on bec, why are you still here?
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I'm still watching because I know Michael is alive. And as long as he is alive, there is always the chance (and IMO, a very good chance) that he will return. Not only for us to see, but the world - no uncertainty. I believe the hoax is the culmination of his life's work and he will have much more to say when he comes back. The signs of the hoax point to a comeback... I realize that plans can change but I don't think this is over or will remain unresolved. Honestly, I couldn't stop watching even if I tried. MJ is still communicating with us.
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I'm still watching because I know Michael is alive. And as long as he is alive, there is always the chance (and IMO, a very good chance) that he will return. Not only for us to see, but the world - no uncertainty. I believe the hoax is the culmination of his life's work and he will have much more to say when he comes back. The signs of the hoax point to a comeback... I realize that plans can change but I don't think this is over or will remain unresolved. Honestly, I couldn't stop watching even if I tried. MJ is still communicating with us.
Absolutely my dear Andrea!! :icon_e_wink:
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So come on bec, why are you still here?
I have no idea, although I do value the opinion of my fellow hoaxers, I'm pretty sure at this point that I was wrong, there is no ARG, and there will be no fantastic bamsday in our future.
Which is a huge shame and if I think about it for too long it will break my heart, because it just kills me to think there will be no justice for MJ, that he will forever go down in history as a weirdo, suspected child-molesting, drug addict who once was a really great singer and dancer but who's life spiraled quickly out of control and culminated in a very shameful and public demise.
And that disgusts me so much I just want to wash my hands of it and bury everything MJ. And unfortunately, I have been here before, in the past, after that Bashir interview, I felt similarly.
I used to say this hoax changed my life, but in reality, since it appears more n more that there is no hoax, I changed my life--which is, I suppose, the silver lining here, but man, what a huge disappointment to think what could have been. I would trade that self-empowerment for MJ getting the last laugh in a hot second.
To some extent I'm still watching out of force of habit, hope against hope, and just not being quite ready to accept that it was all just a fantastic dream. The human brain is an amazing thing, and the longer I think about the events surrounding 6/25/09, the more I get sucked back in to it.
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Which is a huge shame and if I think about it for too long it will break my heart, because it just kills me to think there will be no justice for MJ, that he will forever go down in history as a weirdo, suspected child-molesting, drug addict who once was a really great singer and dancer but who's life spiraled quickly out of control and culminated in a very shameful and public demise.
And that disgusts me so much I just want to wash my hands of it and bury everything MJ. quote from Bec
This is exactly how i feel.
And if this is the case what about everything happend, like the family making money of it and feed us with ,,Clues,,to keep us going??
It maybe a dream..but we did not make it up entirely by our self..we did not dream al the things that did not fit. :icon_e_confused:
(hope you understand what i mean,and my writing?)
My toughts about the Family wil be verry different if there was no hoax,if there was no fighting for justice and Michael behind it :icon_neutral:
I also dont understand why Souza does not respond by now? she was so certain in her believe last time..she must be disappointed to?
Everyting i said was not to hurt anyone. i have a lot of respect for al here!
Mattie :smiley-vault-misc-150:
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I'm still watching because I know Michael is alive. And as long as he is alive, there is always the chance (and IMO, a very good chance) that he will return. Not only for us to see, but the world - no uncertainty. I believe the hoax is the culmination of his life's work and he will have much more to say when he comes back. The signs of the hoax point to a comeback... I realize that plans can change but I don't think this is over or will remain unresolved. Honestly, I couldn't stop watching even if I tried. MJ is still communicating with us.
Totally, TOTALLY :icon_razz: agree Andrea !!!! :bearhug: :th_bravo:
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I'm waiting for the truth.
There are too many bizarre circumstances surrounding Michael's death. If it's not a hoax... I believe his death was deliberate, a set up. Michael was a very intelligent, self-educated, and self-aware man. There is no doubt in my mind... Michael would NOT use propofol as a sleeping medication. Michael cared about his health, but mostly, Michael cared beyond measure for his children. I do not for one second believe that Michael would ask for propofol without knowing what it was supposed to be used for or the risks. For that reason, there is no way Michael would use propofol knowing that he may not wake up and leave his three children as orphans.
this is the exact thing I said when the news came out that he died of the propofol overdose, I said michael was afraid of a coca cola for the sake of his health, it was that very moment I knew it was a lie he wouldn't do that to himself and just like others said they are here because we know he is alive, g this to end or atleast for michael to give us another new clue like he did with Dave Dave perhaps he could become al perhaps new celebrity until people know it is him then finally come back. We have to get the medias attention so that we can get Michael to see we are here supporting him and also someone should do a voice analysis to prove he was Dave Dave then put that proof on the news and then bam he will surface, but I don't want to sound disrespectful I do understand that if michael wants to be left alone we should respect that but if he wants to be left alone then why make so many ways to show us he is alive? Reasons like fake death photos,being Dave Dave,video survalnce was down,jermain saying the airport,the casket being closed and tons more others that I could go on for ever with this just says michael is definitely alive :Pullingair: well I guess soethings we will never kniw I also find it strange how much president Obama became president right before MJS death. Well keep believing and let's work together to make this hit the media and ill admit michael is my life's inspiration and his music is beautiful as are his videos and himself I really hope he comes out soon, love this site and hope someday we can akk come here and talk about how right we were lol the site remain open when Michael Jackson returns? I hope so because you all inspre me as well with all your honest kindness and love for Michel and one another. Take care everyone
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What keeps you here? Aka, what makes you keep watching?
I :moonwalk_:...
The situation is much more complex than it seems ... Let's not forget that Michael Jackson has struggled against the so-called powers and he had challenged them to a duel dangerous, extremely dangerous.
King of mystery but also the wise direction of its existence, to organize a plan like this intelligent and meticulous , Michael has come up with step by step the most amazing coincidences. Unexplained at the moment.
Our perseverance and patience needed to join together the steps , dots , coincidences , and all that will be ... should not decrease the apparent absence of " evidence" or " BUM " .
Do not forget that the end of the hoax is not only the "return" of Michael , but achieving success against the powers that be .
Let's look at the reality , the fierce resistance of many politicians in collusion or complicity with criminal activity and offenders against the innocence of children .
How many pedophiles sitting on armchairs of international tribunals that protect their accomplices ?
Michael fought against pedophilia ,that is minefield !
For the law of retaliation ,Michael was accused !
Michael was defamed , insulted , mocked !
Do you think it is easy to fight against these criminals ?
Michael fought against drugs and chemicals , against the trade of child prostitution .
Do you know how many famous people belong to seven who buy children for human sacrifice or sex ? !
To knock over the table of the merchants is not easy and quick !
I was and am on the side of Michael and his passionate love with his interior purity for the world .
We must , each of us in his little life, do not stop fighting against immorality and degradation of the core values of existence.This is the strong message of Michael!
This is why I'm still here , I will stay here until the bubble burst of lies and deceit against Michael will lead the criminals (with full name) in front any Court. :judge-smiley:
:moonwalk_:
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Hello family, we are here because this is our home. MJ joined us, and will do nothing to change that. We know that MJ is alive, and that's what matters, and we passed many "silences".
In TII, MJ said many things, "We have four years to get it right", "It's an adventure, a great adventure" but also said "do not be nervous" and that's what I do. Wait, despair. MJ has revealed "piece by piece" for all these years, and I do not know if there will be a complete revelation (Bam), but whatever happens, we'll be here.
I know so, nobody wants to give up a dream. We are here and we ask ourselves, why? Until when? do not know, maybe if Souza, decided to turn off the light. :bearhug:
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I'm waiting for the truth.
There are too many bizarre circumstances surrounding Michael's death. If it's not a hoax... I believe his death was deliberate, a set up. Michael was a very intelligent, self-educated, and self-aware man. There is no doubt in my mind... Michael would NOT use propofol as a sleeping medication. Michael cared about his health, but mostly, Michael cared beyond measure for his children. I do not for one second believe that Michael would ask for propofol without knowing what it was supposed to be used for or the risks. For that reason, there is no way Michael would use propofol knowing that he may not wake up and leave his three children as orphans.
this is the exact thing I said when the news came out that he died of the propofol overdose, I said michael was afraid of a coca cola for the sake of his health, it was that very moment I knew it was a lie he wouldn't do that to himself and just like others said they are here because we know he is alive, g this to end or atleast for michael to give us another new clue like he did with Dave Dave perhaps he could become al perhaps new celebrity until people know it is him then finally come back. We have to get the medias attention so that we can get Michael to see we are here supporting him and also someone should do a voice analysis to prove he was Dave Dave then put that proof on the news and then bam he will surface, but I don't want to sound disrespectful I do understand that if michael wants to be left alone we should respect that but if he wants to be left alone then why make so many ways to show us he is alive? Reasons like fake death photos,being Dave Dave,video survalnce was down,jermain saying the airport,the casket being closed and tons more others that I could go on for ever with this just says michael is definitely alive :Pullingair: well I guess soethings we will never kniw I also find it strange how much president Obama became president right before MJS death. Well keep believing and let's work together to make this hit the media and ill admit michael is my life's inspiration and his music is beautiful as are his videos and himself I really hope he comes out soon, love this site and hope someday we can akk come here and talk about how right we were lol the site remain open when Michael Jackson returns? I hope so because you all inspre me as well with all your honest kindness and love for Michel and one another. Take care everyone
As I said in another time around, it doesn't depend on if Media knows or not if Michael is alive for MJ to pull his BAM off due to I think that at this point Media already knows he's alive but they don't want to admit it until MJ's comeback.
You said that we need another big clue from Michael, ok don't you think that the biggest clue ever is that Katherine jackson lost the AEG trial and then Michael's "I'm a loser" song was released? That for me is the irrefutable clue he is alive.
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I just feel like this ...whatever is going on... is not over yet.
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We are here from four years, because is the only way to make clear to Michael that he has our faith ,our love and our support.Forever. We're here because we understand many things and his message.
And this expectation ,although may seem , is not static,but it's just to let him know that we continue with him in the great adventure, waiting for his time as he had said. ,
And in any case anything he will or will do, we are here. For Mike ., I think, this is really important.
Love you all.
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So come on bec, why are you still here?
I have no idea, although I do value the opinion of my fellow hoaxers, I'm pretty sure at this point that I was wrong, there is no ARG, and there will be no fantastic bamsday in our future.
Which is a huge shame and if I think about it for too long it will break my heart, because it just kills me to think there will be no justice for MJ, that he will forever go down in history as a weirdo, suspected child-molesting, drug addict who once was a really great singer and dancer but who's life spiraled quickly out of control and culminated in a very shameful and public demise.
I think the only beautyful thing about this, is that despite what you say here, which might be true in the end, because this is the truth most people accepted, there are still people to love him, no matter what.
You can be disguted, and angry, or shamefull, or feel pity, or feel crazy... but it's not our life. it's HIS. And no matter what's done with it, all this feelings we have about it shouldn't be OURS, be HIS. We should only feel LOVE. Because disguss, anger, pity, shame, are feelings we have after we JUDGE. And we are no judges, because we have no facts. Maybe this is what MJ wanted, planned, expected. Maybe it's not. who knows ?
If you get rid off the issue about coming back or not, about being innocent or guilty to the public eye, about being ashamed or proud, about being hopeless or faithfull, there will only stay one thing, one man, and one feeling.
you must stick to that only, no matter him being dead or alive, back or hidden...it will not change ;) As long as you get this, nothing will ever be broken about MJ.
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@whatyourheartsays, I'm sure what you say comes from a good place in your heart, but the 'love' you speak of risks being interpreted as indifference especially in the face of bec's obvious caring. Surely if you say you love someone, you don't just sit back and accept any and every (bad) thing that happens around them, saying oh well, I love him, so everything's ok. With all due respect everything is not ok (for the reasons bec outlined).
But bec, I have to ask you - does a comeback and/or hoax revelation necessarily equal righting of these wrongs?
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@whatyourheartsays, I'm sure what you say comes from a good place in your heart, but the 'love' you speak of risks being interpreted as indifference especially in the face of bec's obvious caring. Surely if you say you love someone, you don't just sit back and accept any and every (bad) thing that happens around them, saying oh well, I love him, so everything's ok. With all due respect everything is not ok (for the reasons bec outlined).
But bec, I have to ask you - does a comeback and/or hoax revelation necessarily equal righting of these wrongs?
Of course no need to say that if Michael doesn't come back I'll be disgusted because after many years of investigation, sharing thoughts and looking forward to his name clearing and although I love him from the bottom of my heart I would never remain in peace with myself, it would be frustrating really frustrating, this hoax makes no sense without a comeback.
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Of course no need to say that if Michael doesn't come back I'll be disgusted because after many years of investigation, sharing thoughts and looking forward to his name clearing and although I love him from the bottom of my heart I would never remain in peace with myself, it would be frustrating really frustrating, this hoax makes no sense without a comeback.
I just wanted to point out that Tupac Shakur who also was very much against 'TPTB' had these lyrics which talked about hoax, resurrection etc and I was thinking what if such hoaxy incidents were posthumously created using what the artist had said/ planned to achieve.
This is totally off-topic i know, but there's no need for any hate or disgust at all because we will never know what the real story is. We aren't the victims in any case. Yes, there will be disappointment, grief. I mean who knows what exactly happened on June 25th, 2009.
IDK it's my pensive mood today though. Its actually sad if you think about it. We don't know for sure what exactly happened to Michael Jackson. Atleast I am not at this point of time. idk
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@whatyourheartsays, I'm sure what you say comes from a good place in your heart, but the 'love' you speak of risks being interpreted as indifference especially in the face of bec's obvious caring. Surely if you say you love someone, you don't just sit back and accept any and every (bad) thing that happens around them, saying oh well, I love him, so everything's ok. With all due respect everything is not ok (for the reasons bec outlined).
But bec, I have to ask you - does a comeback and/or hoax revelation necessarily equal righting of these wrongs?
We have no idea if MJ really plans to wash his image by a huge bam or if he moved on and made decision for himself, to set a new way of life, out of public eye. Starting from this, i see no point in being angry or happy about facts that are happening or not happening.
If i ever knew MJ, knew what was really going on in his life, knew his deep feelings about it, sure i wouldn't be "still". Just i think it is useless to suffer a pain that maybe is not needed or enjoy a happiness that has no real reason to be.
Of course i feel some injustice about how peoople see MJ, but do i have to feel more injustice than MJ himself ? i don't think so.
If MJ would have ever shared this with me, my feelings would be different but for now i don't feel it is my place to have feelings (whether good or bad) about facts that are not part of my life and facts i don't even know to be "true" or "not". I still ignore the real reasons for the hoax and everything that come with. As a personnal opinion, i'm of course very upset about him "missing" without a word.
Just i'm not able to make decision and choose a side for things/facts that are not mine. It doesn't mean i would do nothing i was told the truth. Just for now i know that i know nothing, so what else can i do ? when you can be "up and down" i choosed to have a sit on the bench and wait.
i hope to be clear, it's not easy to explain.
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I just wanted to point out that Tupac Shakur who also was very much against 'TPTB' had these lyrics which talked about hoax, resurrection etc and I was thinking what if such hoaxy incidents were posthumously created using what the artist had said/ planned to achieve.
This is totally off-topic i know, but there's no need for any hate or disgust at all because we will never know what the real story is. We aren't the victims in any case. Yes, there will be disappointment, grief. I mean who knows what exactly happened on June 25th, 2009.
IDK it's my pensive mood today though. Its actually sad if you think about it. We don't know for sure what exactly happened to Michael Jackson. Atleast I am not at this point of time. idk
I'm sorry, also of topic but I found so many disturbing things, also about Quincy Jones. He was suddenly dismissed by Michael, spoke bad about Michael, wasn't at the memorial/funeral, plus he sued the estate.
Paul Adams, J.D.
Michael Jackson is recognized as the most successful entertainer of all time by Guinness World Records. His contribution to music, dance, charities and fashion, along with a much-publicized personal life, made him a global figure in popular culture for over four decades. It is estimated that Jackson sold over 750 million records worldwide. He won hundreds of awards, which made him the most-awarded recording artist in the history of popular music.
It is also important to understand that Michael Jackson was one of the world's most prominent humanitarians and philanthropists. Personally and through his Heal the World Foundation, he donated more than $300 million dollars to charity and held the Guinness World Record for having supported the most charities of any pop star. Unlike, “philanthropists” Bill Gates and the Rockefellers, Jackson had an intense desire to truly help people rather than promote eugenics and Malthusian population reduction agendas.
Despite his immense talent, it must be noted that like any other “star,” Jackson’s rise to fame would not have been possible without the marketing and production dollars of the entertainment industry’s Illuminati. At the peak of his career, Jackson made it clear that he opposed the Illuminati and wanted to be free of its control.
This article examines the following questions:
Was Michael Jackson a child abuse/mind-control victim like other celebrities?
Did the Illuminati frame Jackson as a child molester for financial negotiation leverage or for opposing them?
Did the Illuminati murder Michael Jackson for financial gain or ritual sacrifice?
Was Michael Jackson A Mind Control Victim?
Project MKULTRA was the code name for a covert, illegal CIA/Illuminati human experimentation program. The published evidence indicates that Project MKULTRA involved the use of many methodologies to manipulate people's individual mental states and alter brain functions, including the surreptitious administration of drugs and other chemicals, hypnosis, sensory deprivation, isolation, verbal and sexual abuse, as well as various forms of torture.
Many researchers believe Michael Jackson was a mind control victim like other entertainment stars such as Madonna, Britney Spears, and Anna Nicole.
After Michael’s untimely death, Sony released a new album entitled Michael, the cover of which is full of illuminati symbolism. The most obvious and disturbing symbol is the Monarch Butterfly on his left shoulder, which represents Monarch programming, a form of trauma-based mind control (MKULTRA).
Brice Taylor, a former mind control victim and author of Thanks for the Memories, claims Jackson was a mind control victim and victim of sexual abuse.
Former Illuminati slave Kathleen Sullivan adds from the Rigorous Intuition blog: "I've been tracking Michael Jackson via the news for about 10 years now. For reasons I will not get into in a public forum, I can state that I have absolutely no doubt that he's an MK-ULTRA variety slave, possibly introduced by his father into their bizarre "system" of spooks, commercialized pedophilia and more.”
Indeed, Michael seemed to exhibit multiple personalities typical of mind control victims. For example, Jackson was the world’s best performer, comfortable commanding the show in-front of thousands of fans and television audiences. Yet when not on stage, he often acted shy, quiet, like a child. Michael enjoyed climbing trees as an adult and built himself a “Neverland” ranch. Neverland is the fictional dwelling place of Peter Pan, Tinker Bell and the Lost Boys. Although not all people in Neverland cease to age, its best known resident famously refused to grow up, and it is often used as a metaphor for eternal childhood and escapism.
Michael Jackson gave an interview explaining that his father, Joe Jackson, would beat him and his siblings to the point that Michael’s mother would yell for Joe to stop, saying “you’re gonna kill him.”
Latoya Jackson says that her father enjoyed beating the children and pointing guns at them.
In his early years, Michael Jackson worked closely with record producer Quincy Jones. During a strange rare 1983 interview with Jackson and Jones, Jackson is holding his Boa Constrictor and said he has had several other snakes (symbolic of Lucifer?). The two men discuss how they worked with each other for over 18 hours per day.
According to now deceased rapper Tupac Shakur (at minute 11:00) and Professor Griff (at minute 3:00) of rap group Public Enemy, Quincy Jones was a homosexual and ran sex rings. Having homosexual sex was required to join the rap Illuminati. Was a young Michael Jackson sexually abused or forced to participate in Illuminati sex rituals to become the King of Pop under Quincy Jones?
Clearly there is evidence that Michael Jackson was physically abused and was possibly a mind control victim.
Was Michael Jackson Framed as a Pedophile?
In 1993, Michael Jackson was accused of child sexual abuse. The civil case, with the evidence strongly pointing to extortion through false accusations, was settled out of court and no formal charges were brought. In 2005, Jackson was criminally prosecuted for further child sexual abuse allegations. On June 13, 2005, the twelve-person jury which contained no African-Americans unanimously found Jackson not guilty on all fourteen charges.
However, Jackson was still convicted, not by a court of law based on facts, but by the unquestioning minds of millions that trust the illuminati controlled media.
A fantastic must read summary of Michael Jackson’s defense, filled with jaw-droppers, is Mary Fischer’s Was Michael Jackson Framed?, first published in GQ magazine.
As Fischer notes, it is impossible to prove a negative—that is, prove that something didn’t happen. But it is possible to take an in-depth look at the people who made the allegations against Jackson and thus gain insight into their character and motives. “What emerges from such an examination, based on court documents, business records and scores of interviews, is a persuasive argument that Jackson molested no one and that he himself may have been the victim of a well-conceived plan to extract money from him.”
Here are a few facts, but Fischer’s article must be read to understand the characters of the people who brought allegations against Jackson.
Jackson’s personal eccentricities—from his attempts to remake his face through plastic surgery to his preference for the company of children—have been widely reported. And while it may be unusual for a 35-year-old man to have sleepovers with a 13-year-old child, the boy’s mother and others close to Jackson never thought it odd.
Instead of going to the police, seemingly the most appropriate action in a situation involving suspected child molestation, Evan Chandler (the father of the boy who made allegations against Jackson in 1993) had turned to a lawyer named Barry Rothman. “This attorney I found, I picked the nastiest son of a bitch I could find,” Chandler said. “All he wants to do is get this out in the public as fast as he can, as big as he can, and humiliate as many people as he can. He’s nasty, he’s mean, he’s very smart, and he’s hungry for the publicity.”
Geraldine Hughes was the secretary for Attorney Barry Rothman, who represented the boy who accused Jackson of molestation in 1993 (Evan Chandler’s attorney). Hughes authored a book called, Redemption: The Truth Behind the Michael Jackson Child Molestation Allegations, stating that allegations were absolutely false. Hughes said she “watched them set Michael up.”
During a secretly taped telephone call, Chandler indicated he was prepared to move against Jackson: “It’s already set. There are other people involved that are waiting for my phone call that are in certain positions. I’ve paid them to do it. Everything’s going according to a certain plan that isn’t just mine [emphasis added]. Once I make that phone call, this guy [his attorney, Barry K. Rothman, presumably] is going to destroy everybody in sight in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it. And I’ve given him full authority to do that.” … “And if I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I’ve checked that inside out. I will get everything I want, and they will be destroyed forever. June {Chandler’s ex-wife} will lose [custody of the son]…and Michael’s career will be over. “Does that help [the boy]?” Schwartz asked [person taping the conversation]. “That’s irrelevant to me,” Chandler replied. “It’s going to be bigger than all of us put together. The whole thing is going to crash down on everybody and destroy everybody in sight. It will be a massacre if I don’t get what I want.”
Jackson’s private investigator, Anthony Pelicano, said that in ten minutes he knew the charges against Jackson were for purposes of extortion. During his investigation, Pellicano privately met the boy. He “made eye contact” with the boy and asked him, he says, “very pointed questions”: “Has Michael ever touched you? Have you ever seen him naked in bed?” The answer to all the questions was no. The boy repeatedly denied that anything bad had happened. Pelicano was disgusted and refused to serve Jackson’s legal team when Jackson’s attorney, Johnnie Cochran, advised Michael to settle the 1993 allegation.
After millions of dollars were spent by prosecutors and police departments in two jurisdictions (Los Angeles and Ventura), and after two grand juries questioned close to 200 witnesses, including 30 children who knew Jackson, not a single corroborating witness could be found.
To its credit, the show Hard Copy exposed other plots to destroy Michael Jackson. People would tell Hard Copy that Jackson molested them but later be forced to admit the story was fabricated when asked for proof.
Author Aphrodite Jones had to self-publish her five-star rated The Michael Jackson Conspiracy because none of the major publishers (controlled by Illuminati) wanted to disclose facts supporting Michael Jackson’s innocence. Initially, Jones believed Jackson was guilty due to the media coverage. She later examined the evidence and concluded Jackson was most likely completely innocent. A summary of the evidence, including jury and witness testimony was featured on Jones’ True Crime Show.
In a Larry King interview, Michael Jackson’s attorney Tom Mesereau stated that allegations and prosecution against Jackson were entirely frivolous. Additionally, he stated that the Ventura District Attorney, Thomas Snedden, Jr., spent more money pursuing Jackson than would be spent on a serial killer.
Who gave Snedden his orders to destroy Jackson despite two previous grand juries refusing to indict?
Did the Illuminati frame Jackson as a child molester for leverage to negotiate him handing over his billion dollar music catalog?
While it remains impossible to prove a negative, it appears that the only thing Michael Jackson can be proven guilty of is helping kids all over the world.
Did the Illuminati murder Michael Jackson?
While preparing for his This is It concert series, Jackson died of acute propofol and benzodiazepine intoxication on June 25, 2009, after suffering from cardiac arrest. The Los Angeles County Coroner ruled his death a homicide, and his personal physician, Conrad Murray, was convicted of involuntary manslaughter. Jackson's death triggered a global outpouring of grief, and as many as one billion people around the world reportedly watched his public memorial service on television. In March 2010, Sony Music Entertainment signed a $250 million deal with Jackson's estate to retain distribution rights to his recordings until 2017, and to release seven posthumous albums over the decade following his death.
The question remains whether Conrad Murray was a patsy of the Oswald variety used to cover-up a conspiracy to kill Michael Jackson.
As Vigilant Citizen details in a must see article, since Michael Jackson’s untimely death, there have been insidious “tributes” to him, which when decoded, were in fact thinly veiled references to his ritual sacrifice. It appears that his memory has been hijacked by those who may have killed him. This fact becomes obvious when looking at his posthumous releases and latest album cover.
On the cover of the Michael album, we find the Monarch Butterfly on his left shoulder, which represents occult symbolism, Monarch programming, a form of trauma-based mind control. Michael is also crowned by a Black and a White angel, alluding to the ritualistic nature of his crowning, an occult union of opposing forces.
Likewise, Michael’s Blood on the Dance Floor album cover features him wearing red (occultly referring to sacrifice) on a Masonic checkerboard pattern. The title “Blood on the Dance floor” refers to Jackson’s blood on the Masonic floor, the era on which rituals occur.
It appears the Illuminati also sacrificed Whitney Houston in an occult ritual involving the 2012 Grammy Awards, where Nicki Minaj performed wearing a ritualistic red robe, color of sacrifice and initiation with a fake pope. Was it a reference to Whitney's blood sacrifice? Whitney’s funeral even featured and two Egyptian sarcophagus at the funeral home.
It is well known that the Illuminati control the music/entertainment industry. They promote artists who will degrade themselves so that the plebeians emulate them and society crumbles. Madonna’s recent occult Superbowl half-time show and Nikki Minaj’s black mass satanic ritual at the 2012 Grammy Awards was only the tip of the iceberg.
Many entertainment stars such as Dave Chappelle and DMX have spoken-out about the dark side of the entertainment industry. Actor Cory Feldman says that pedophilia is the number one problem for child stars.
There is also evidence that the Illuminati killed rapper Tupac because he refused to be controlled by them and broke his Illuminati Oath, which is likely required to become a “star.” Many believe Tupac refusing to have gay sex as required by the rap Illuminati was his final downfall. Tupac added a K to “Illuminati” to make “Killuminati” because he “was killing that Illuminati sh__.” Tupac clearly did not understand the power he was up against as there is strong evidence that he was assassinated by government agencies (controlled by the Illuminati) like other black activists.
In contrast to Illuminati assets like Madonna, Nikki Minaj and Jay-Z, no celebrity, if anyone, supported more charities and visited more children’s’ hospitals than Michael Jackson. Likewise, Jackson is best known for having positive music that improves peoples’ lives. Man in the Mirror is a powerful song and video that calls for the end of war, poverty and injustice:
I See The Kids In The Street, With Not Enough To Eat. Who Am I, To Be Blind Pretending Not To See Their Need… I'm Starting With The Man In The Mirror. I'm Asking Him To Change His Ways. And No Message Could Have Been Any Clearer. If You Wanna Make The World A Better Place Take A Look At Yourself Then Make A Change.
We Are the World is a song written by Michael Jackson and Lionel Richie to raise money for USA for Africa in 1985.
Send them your heart so they'll know that someone cares. And their lives will be stronger and free. As God has shown us by turning stone to bread. So we all must lend a helping hand… We are the world, we are the children. We are the ones who make a brighter day So let's start giving. There's a choice we're making. We're saving our own lives. It's true we'll make a better day. Just you and me.
Do you hear any lyrics like that from Katy Perry, Madonna, or any other Illuminati main-stream entertainer?
Yes, Michael Jackson clearly opposed the Illuminati as he demonstrated by loving and helping others. To make that point crystal clear, Michael provided a disclaimer at the beginning of his hit Thriller video: “Due to my strong personal convictions, I wish to stress that this film in no way endorses a belief in the occult” [Mystery Babylon religion of the Illuminati].
Jackson also confronted powerful forces within the music industry. He referred to Tommy Mottola, the former head of Sony Music Entertainment as “a devil” and evil. Mariah Carey (Mottola’s ex-wife and best-selling vocalist) and Jackson wanted Mottola terminated from Sony. Jackson left Sony and celebrated being a free agent, but said that Sony was very angry that he was leaving.
Michael Jackson clearly feared the Illuminati. During a television interview, Jackson said that one of his albums (after the child molestation allegations) was number in the world but not popular in the U.S. due to a “conspiracy.” Jackson did not want to elaborate on the conspiracy and clearly showed fear.
Michael Jackson also gave interviews denouncing the Illuminati’s (see 4:45) controlled mainstream media spreading lies. He continued, “They manipulate our history books. The history books are not true, it’s a lie. The history books are lies. You must know that… This is all complete conspiracy.”
Michael is correct. Anyone that has read The Creature From Jeykll Island, Tragedy and Hope, Wall Street and The Rise of Hitler, or The Imperial Cruise, to name just a few, knows that student history books consist of absurd lies.
Jackson also feared that the Illuminati’s great work (totalitarian world government) would be created sometime around 2012. In 2009, after acknowledging that love is most important, he said that “we have four years to get it right or else it’s irreversible then… we’re done.”
Michael Jackson feared that he would be murdered. He told his sister Latoya repeatedly that they were going to kill him. “Michel told me that they were going to murder him. He was afraid for his life.” Who did it? According to Latoya it was the people who were manipulating Jackson but she refuses to name names. “They controlled Michael. They controlled everything that he did.”
In addition to Michael Jackson speaking out against the Illuminati, they may have been motivated to kill him for financial reasons. Sister LaToys Jackson said: “I feel it was all about money. Michael was worth well over a billion in music publishing assets and somebody killed him for that. He was worth more dead than alive." She said the conspirators used powerful prescription drugs to keep Michael Jackson submissive and under control (MKULTRA?) and also kept him away from his family. LaToya added that Michael did not want to perform the 50 London shows he had agreed to, but was pressured into that agreement.
Michael Jackson’s former advisor, Leonard Rowe, claims that Jackson was murdered for the one billion dollar music catalogue he owned. Jackson once told him: “They want my catalogue Rowe — and they will kill me for it.”
Clearly there is evidence supporting a truly independent investigation as to whether the Illuminati murdered Michael Jackson for financial gain or occult ritual sacrifice.
Conclusion
There is substantial evidence that Michael Jackson was abused as a child and possible the victim of at least some Monarch type programming.
Jackson was acquitted on every charge of against him pertaining to child molestation allegations in a court of law. After reviewing the evidence, it appears that all of the allegations against him, including the 1993 settlement, were false for the purpose of extorting money or harming Jackson’s reputation. As Jackson’s attorney notes, the 1993 settlement invited other to make allegations against Jackson for extortion.
Finally, there is evidence that the Illuminati murdered Michael Jackson for financial gain from his music catalog and/or ritual sacrifice.
Fortunately, many independent and talented artist refuse to take the Illuminati oath (sell their souls for fame), speaking-out against darkness and corruption. A few of those artists include Immortal Technique, Chris Geo, Lowkey and Kelvin Rush.
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/06/the-strange-case-of-michael-jacksone280a8-2251879.html
The aricle above has lots of links in it, click the link to read them.
Don't know professor Griff is credible but this is what he has to say:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9LCybsLhVY8
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=9LCybsLhVY8[/youtube]
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The only sentence that always made me go hmmm is the one you find at the beginning of TII movie that it's the same as the one on the HIStory song: "The greatest demonstration of freedom in the history of our nation" this sentence might mean two different things:
1) Michael will never come back so that means he will remain free for the rest of his life.
OR
2) Michael through his hoax will be able to be free forever after his comeback if he really can right the wrongs.
So it's up to us to decide which one is the correct one, for the moment I can't decide although I still think that everything is pointing to a comeback.
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**DO**- what a world, huh. i love someone that is not afraid to go in deep. :th_bravo: a person after my own heart. :beerchug: i noticed no one had any feed back for you. i too believe that mike was molested as a child. i remember an interview with K J saying that mike was out going then he all of a sudden changed, he became quiet and withdrawn. i don't doubt joe would sell his soul & his son's soul/body for fortune & fame. it's said any celebs that are very well known/highly paid must swear allegiance to the cabal. i think as mike became older he began to realize how the game was played started dropping dimes & wanted out, hence molestation charges. pedophilia is not only rampant in hollywood but also high up in gov & business (see conspiracy of silence {u-tube} ). not to mention the vatican (remember the priest & boys not to long ago in the news). 250 to 300,000 children go missing every year in the U.S. some never heard from again. but controlled msm does not report this (PLEASE WATCH UR CHILDREN) some end up as programmed sex slaves, hit men, drug mules etc. as do some celebs. WHAT PROF GRIFF SAYS I'VE ALSO HEARD FROM MANY OTHER SOURCES. as for the FEMA coffins (u-tube or alternative news sites) have been seen in fema region 3 - MD,WV,PA,VA. recently reported also in puerto rico.....WHY? when i first saw, "why are u still watching" my first answer was, (sarcastically) good question. thanks to u 'do' i now have my answer, i still believe in mj's army of love. i'm still keeping hope that he as commander will lead his army to cure the world of it's evil & evil doers. so that MY CHILDREN, YOUR CHILDREN, OUR CHILDREN CAN LIVE IN A BETTER WORLD than i do.
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Dear friends,
please, before you resign, consider that the hoax process has changed, has moved forward, uses different ways of input and contribution now.
MJ is very very close and only scarcely hidden via his youtube and twitter accounts.
Please don't fight me, I just tell you to consider that and decide for yourself.
Best wishes to you all!
friendlikeme - anyone that speaks with surety i can't help but question ( it's my nature) you said -
mj is very very close and only scarcely hidden via his u-tube & twitter accounts
how do u know & what are the names of these accounts?
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Do, the things brought up in your post were a big part of this site when I first joined. I have watched many videos and read many discussions here. I don't know where you'd find them now, but they're sure to be hiding away somewhere in the archives, if you're interested.
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... when you can be "up and down" i choosed to have a sit on the bench and wait.
i hope to be clear, it's not easy to explain.
Thanks for that. We are just different in this impossible situation. That's fine.
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I think we should never cross the red line. This is supposed to be the greatest show on earth. And guess what? The show is not over yet. All we have to do is watch and learn. Those who feel bored should take a break. It's like watching a long movie. No one can sit in front of the TV for 6 hours continuously without taking a break. Plus: we have been guided all the way for 4 1/2 years now. We have been receiving messages and clues of all kinds. Michael has been around, hiding in plain sight, watching us get bored at times and he knows how some of us feel right now. But if he wanted to leave us hanging in the middle of no where, he would have never sent us a very important message which is: the hoax is about to end. He is an honest man and he will end the hoax through his come back. He will not deceive us and he will not leave us hanging. Please keep that in mind. So keep watching as advised.
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Quote from: Thriller4ever on Yesterday at 07:26:46 PM (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24237.msg449156.html#msg449156)I just wanted to point out that Tupac Shakur who also was very much against 'TPTB' had these lyrics which talked about hoax, resurrection etc and I was thinking what if such hoaxy incidents were posthumously created using what the artist had said/ planned to achieve.
This is totally off-topic i know, but there's no need for any hate or disgust at all because we will never know what the real story is. We aren't the victims in any case. Yes, there will be disappointment, grief. I mean who knows what exactly happened on June 25th, 2009.
IDK it's my pensive mood today though. Its actually sad if you think about it. We don't know for sure what exactly happened to Michael Jackson. Atleast I am not at this point of time. idk
I'm sorry, also of topic but I found so many disturbing things, also about Quincy Jones. He was suddenly dismissed by Michael, spoke bad about Michael, wasn't at the memorial/funeral, plus he sued the estate.
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i sent a pm
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I think we should never cross the red line. This is supposed to be the greatest show on earth. And guess what? The show is not over yet. All we have to do is watch and learn. Those who feel bored should take a break. It's like watching a long movie. No one can sit in front of the TV for 6 hours continuously without taking a break. Plus: we have been guided all the way for 4 1/2 years now. We have been receiving messages and clues of all kinds. Michael has been around, hiding in plain sight, watching us get bored at times and he knows how some of us feel right now. But if he wanted to leave us hanging in the middle of no where, he would have never sent us a very important message which is: the hoax is about to end. He is an honest man and he will end the hoax through his come back. He will not deceive us and he will not leave us hanging. Please keep that in mind. So keep watching as advised.
No need to say that I agree 100% with what you have said above, but..... when did Michael say that the hoax is about to end??? :icon_e_confused:
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**DO**- what a world, huh. i love someone that is not afraid to go in deep. :th_bravo: a person after my own heart. :beerchug: i noticed no one had any feed back for you. i too believe that mike was molested as a child. i remember an interview with K J saying that mike was out going then he all of a sudden changed, he became quiet and withdrawn. i don't doubt joe would sell his soul & his son's soul/body for fortune & fame. it's said any celebs that are very well known/highly paid must swear allegiance to the cabal. i think as mike became older he began to realize how the game was played started dropping dimes & wanted out, hence molestation charges. pedophilia is not only rampant in hollywood but also high up in gov & business (see conspiracy of silence {u-tube} ). not to mention the vatican (remember the priest & boys not to long ago in the news). 250 to 300,000 children go missing every year in the U.S. some never heard from again. but controlled msm does not report this (PLEASE WATCH UR CHILDREN) some end up as programmed sex slaves, hit men, drug mules etc. as do some celebs. WHAT PROF GRIFF SAYS I'VE ALSO HEARD FROM MANY OTHER SOURCES. as for the FEMA coffins (u-tube or alternative news sites) have been seen in fema region 3 - MD,WV,PA,VA. recently reported also in puerto rico.....WHY? when i first saw, "why are u still watching" my first answer was, (sarcastically) good question. thanks to u 'do' i now have my answer, i still believe in mj's army of love. i'm still keeping hope that he as commander will lead his army to cure the world of it's evil & evil doers. so that MY CHILDREN, YOUR CHILDREN, OUR CHILDREN CAN LIVE IN A BETTER WORLD than i do.
Hi Luvandmissumike, like you, I read so many stories about it, not just recently, but already since the start of this hoax 'adventure'. And yes, there are many really sick things going on. I never heard the rumors about Quincy Jones though. When I read that, I realized that maybe that was the real reason that Michael didn't want to work with him anymore and that Quincy wasn't at the memorial/funeral. All we can do now is hope that Mike was able to escape all of it, but if what we fear is true (that Michael was 'sold' and heavily controlled), do you think that he was able to get out of it without consequences, or consequences that were much worse then the molestation allegations (murder)? And if he did got away and this IS Michael's hoax, could it be that all the crazy things from last year really are diversions (by Mike) to give 'them' the impression he is dead and that 'they' won? (I know this sounds stupid, but what I mean is that these stories were the reason that I didn't believe in a hoax anymore, but if they are just diversions to confuse 'them', then i COULD understand it a little). And then come back..... and conquer? But why then the 'clues'? We are not the only ones who saw the clues you know? 'They' saw them too, maybe even here and on other sites. Will it ever be safe for Mike to come back?
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Do, the things brought up in your post were a big part of this site when I first joined. I have watched many videos and read many discussions here. I don't know where you'd find them now, but they're sure to be hiding away somewhere in the archives, if you're interested.
Hey Curls, thanks, yes I know there must be lots of this in the archives, I read (even discussed) many of those too. Never heard the rumor avout Quincy though. I don't know, when I saw the vids (which I posted on page 1), I'm more and more convinced then ever that Michael was heavily controlled/under influence and that this is not a hoax for fun, entertainment, show or vindication, but a hoax -IF it's a hoax- about life and dead.
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Because every time I take the forum down someone starts bitching that it's not up, hahahahahahahahahahahha.
No, because I want SEHF to get a refund for his cane. Shit hey, why even ask? This is year 5, as if it's still important why we are still here. I waiting for the Harry Potter books was longer. We passed the point of lunatics anyway, might as well keep watching. New stuff again today/yesterday.
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With the forum down for a couple of days I realised another reason I'm still here - I missed you guys! Seriously, if the site shut down for good, or I just left, it'd be horrible never to have contact with you again! Thanks for getting us up and running again Souza! xxx
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With the forum down for a couple of days I realised another reason I'm still here - I missed you guys! Seriously, if the site shut down for good, or I just left, it'd be horrible never to have contact with you again! Thanks for getting us up and running again Souza! xxx
Soooooooo true Curls, I don't post that often, but I'm here every single day! I was seriously 'lost' for two days! Thanks Souza, even if we're completely wrong in our expectations, I would not want to have missed this experience with you guys!
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With the forum down for a couple of days I realised another reason I'm still here - I missed you guys! Seriously, if the site shut down for good, or I just left, it'd be horrible never to have contact with you again! Thanks for getting us up and running again Souza! xxx
Totally agree :th_bravo:
FEARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR :errrr: :smiley-vault-misc-150:
Really....thanks Souza !!!! :woohoo2:
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I think we should never cross the red line. This is supposed to be the greatest show on earth. And guess what? The show is not over yet. All we have to do is watch and learn. Those who feel bored should take a break. It's like watching a long movie. No one can sit in front of the TV for 6 hours continuously without taking a break. Plus: we have been guided all the way for 4 1/2 years now. We have been receiving messages and clues of all kinds. Michael has been around, hiding in plain sight, watching us get bored at times and he knows how some of us feel right now. But if he wanted to leave us hanging in the middle of no where, he would have never sent us a very important message which is: the hoax is about to end. He is an honest man and he will end the hoax through his come back. He will not deceive us and he will not leave us hanging. Please keep that in mind. So keep watching as advised.
No need to say that I agree 100% with what you have said above, but..... when did Michael say that the hoax is about to end??? :icon_e_confused:
He said it through the informers. This is how i see it. Every one has been talking lately about the hoax coming to an end. How did we know that unless it was him passing those information to us? It's not only that. Remember the different levels of the hoax? Who was using these terms and informing us about them unless it was Michael himself through his people?? Since we have decided to become believers it is our duty to keep watching, no matter what happens. And those who have been weeping because they are not entertained enough should really give it a break for God's sake!
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**DO**- what a world, huh. i love someone that is not afraid to go in deep. :th_bravo: a person after my own heart. :beerchug: i noticed no one had any feed back for you. i too believe that mike was molested as a child. i remember an interview with K J saying that mike was out going then he all of a sudden changed, he became quiet and withdrawn. i don't doubt joe would sell his soul & his son's soul/body for fortune & fame. it's said any celebs that are very well known/highly paid must swear allegiance to the cabal. i think as mike became older he began to realize how the game was played started dropping dimes & wanted out, hence molestation charges. pedophilia is not only rampant in hollywood but also high up in gov & business (see conspiracy of silence {u-tube} ). not to mention the vatican (remember the priest & boys not to long ago in the news). 250 to 300,000 children go missing every year in the U.S. some never heard from again. but controlled msm does not report this (PLEASE WATCH UR CHILDREN) some end up as programmed sex slaves, hit men, drug mules etc. as do some celebs. WHAT PROF GRIFF SAYS I'VE ALSO HEARD FROM MANY OTHER SOURCES. as for the FEMA coffins (u-tube or alternative news sites) have been seen in fema region 3 - MD,WV,PA,VA. recently reported also in puerto rico.....WHY? when i first saw, "why are u still watching" my first answer was, (sarcastically) good question. thanks to u 'do' i now have my answer, i still believe in mj's army of love. i'm still keeping hope that he as commander will lead his army to cure the world of it's evil & evil doers. so that MY CHILDREN, YOUR CHILDREN, OUR CHILDREN CAN LIVE IN A BETTER WORLD than i do.
Hi Luvandmissumike, like you, I read so many stories about it, not just recently, but already since the start of this hoax 'adventure'. And yes, there are many really sick things going on. I never heard the rumors about Quincy Jones though. When I read that, I realized that maybe that was the real reason that Michael didn't want to work with him anymore and that Quincy wasn't at the memorial/funeral. All we can do now is hope that Mike was able to escape all of it, but if what we fear is true (that Michael was 'sold' and heavily controlled), do you think that he was able to get out of it without consequences, or consequences that were much worse then the molestation allegations (murder)? And if he did got away and this IS Michael's hoax, could it be that all the crazy things from last year really are diversions (by Mike) to give 'them' the impression he is dead and that 'they' won? (I know this sounds stupid, but what I mean is that these stories were the reason that I didn't believe in a hoax anymore, but if they are just diversions to confuse 'them', then i COULD understand it a little). And then come back..... and conquer? But why then the 'clues'? We are not the only ones who saw the clues you know? 'They' saw them too, maybe even here and on other sites. Will it ever be safe for Mike to come back?
from what i've heard, read, & saw the programming starts to break down around age 30 when the brain goes thru chemical changes ( i think i'm remembering right) well, some kind of mental changes. whether he made it out safely .... :confused: i do hope he was able to out think them. now with this anonymous person talking about 'secrets' and faking death in hollywood not being that rare, just makes things more :Pulling_hair:
as with this crazy world, this death hoax can get exhausting trying to figure it out.
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I'm always on skype just__bec, for what it's worth to anyone. And that's a double underscore, btw.
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So why am I still watching? hmm.
I am still waiting for answers to all the weirdness that was presented and paraded before us from as far back as the O2 announcement. That was when I was hooked and hooked good.
I must clarify that the answers I want must make some sense and logic to my understanding....yes, that's probably the word I'm trying to grasp. I want to 'understand' why. And as yet, we have only theories and our own ideas and interpretations of events as presented.
I'm not talking about if MJ is alive or not, cause I don't doubt that at all. What I can't grasp is all the planning and effort put into a production of this scope that doesn't make 1 ounce of sense to me if there is no vindication or comeback. Why would MJ wish to be remembered as a doped up junkie who needed to be put under to just get some sleep? He could have chosen a much less 'eccentric' exit and then went off and lived out the remainder of his years in privacy if he so desired. So I still ask "Why?" , and as we enter into the 5th year of being here, my question has not had a satisfactory answer as yet that will allow me to pack it all away neatly and in order.
And so I continue to watch........and watch.......in the hope that time will bring greater clarity, but as of yet, it has only brought more confusion . I'd like to add that I'm not all that interested in finding our elusive KOP, I'd settle for some sense making coherent answers and I'd be a happy girl.
So that's about it from my perspective. Don't care about what others may think of us. We passed that point of no return a long time ago. Yes, life does go on, but I will always wonder about the ' why' of it all.
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**DO**- what a world, huh. i love someone that is not afraid to go in deep. :th_bravo: a person after my own heart. :beerchug: i noticed no one had any feed back for you. i too believe that mike was molested as a child. i remember an interview with K J saying that mike was out going then he all of a sudden changed, he became quiet and withdrawn. i don't doubt joe would sell his soul & his son's soul/body for fortune & fame. it's said any celebs that are very well known/highly paid must swear allegiance to the cabal. i think as mike became older he began to realize how the game was played started dropping dimes & wanted out, hence molestation charges. pedophilia is not only rampant in hollywood but also high up in gov & business (see conspiracy of silence {u-tube} ). not to mention the vatican (remember the priest & boys not to long ago in the news). 250 to 300,000 children go missing every year in the U.S. some never heard from again. but controlled msm does not report this (PLEASE WATCH UR CHILDREN) some end up as programmed sex slaves, hit men, drug mules etc. as do some celebs. WHAT PROF GRIFF SAYS I'VE ALSO HEARD FROM MANY OTHER SOURCES. as for the FEMA coffins (u-tube or alternative news sites) have been seen in fema region 3 - MD,WV,PA,VA. recently reported also in puerto rico.....WHY? when i first saw, "why are u still watching" my first answer was, (sarcastically) good question. thanks to u 'do' i now have my answer, i still believe in mj's army of love. i'm still keeping hope that he as commander will lead his army to cure the world of it's evil & evil doers. so that MY CHILDREN, YOUR CHILDREN, OUR CHILDREN CAN LIVE IN A BETTER WORLD than i do.
Hi Luvandmissumike, like you, I read so many stories about it, not just recently, but already since the start of this hoax 'adventure'. And yes, there are many really sick things going on. I never heard the rumors about Quincy Jones though. When I read that, I realized that maybe that was the real reason that Michael didn't want to work with him anymore and that Quincy wasn't at the memorial/funeral. All we can do now is hope that Mike was able to escape all of it, but if what we fear is true (that Michael was 'sold' and heavily controlled), do you think that he was able to get out of it without consequences, or consequences that were much worse then the molestation allegations (murder)? And if he did got away and this IS Michael's hoax, could it be that all the crazy things from last year really are diversions (by Mike) to give 'them' the impression he is dead and that 'they' won? (I know this sounds stupid, but what I mean is that these stories were the reason that I didn't believe in a hoax anymore, but if they are just diversions to confuse 'them', then i COULD understand it a little). And then come back..... and conquer? But why then the 'clues'? We are not the only ones who saw the clues you know? 'They' saw them too, maybe even here and on other sites. Will it ever be safe for Mike to come back?
from what i've heard, read, & saw the programming starts to break down around age 30 when the brain goes thru chemical changes ( i think i'm remembering right) well, some kind of mental changes. whether he made it out safely .... :confused: i do hope he was able to out think them. now with this anonymous person talking about 'secrets' and faking death in hollywood not being that rare, just makes things more :Pulling_hair:
as with this crazy world, this death hoax can get exhausting trying to figure it out.
you are right about the breaking down of programming, but I believe MJ was reprogrammed in the dangerous era, I read it somewhere, a long time ago, but now I can't find the link. Anyways, it is quite impossible to keep anything 'secret' from the TPTB, their connections are worldwide, I believe, and too powerful.
If there was a hoax being planned since decades, then 4 years were enough for Michael to get things right, and to achieve whatever he wanted to, given the simple fact that he had already planned everything in advance, taking adversities and adversaries into account.
But all these years there were nothing but "clues", clues that don't lead to any conclusion apart from the repeated emphasis on Michael being alive. It is getting stagnated. We still don't have real answers to real questions, all we have are assumptions.
And just like the past year, this year too will go on in the same dreary way as far as hoax is concerned. Some important dates MJ's birthday, "death" day, October 28, Christmas, any day of the year that adds up to 7, New Year's eve and any international holiday, will just go by.
And if Michael does come back this year, we must know whether it's really Michael Jackson or some clone/fake/impersonator, We may also have to observe his behavioral patterns and the "symbolism" he's showing off. So basically it;s not a celebration time if MJ comes back. It's more work and brainstorming.
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**DO**- what a world, huh. i love someone that is not afraid to go in deep. :th_bravo: a person after my own heart. :beerchug: i noticed no one had any feed back for you. i too believe that mike was molested as a child. i remember an interview with K J saying that mike was out going then he all of a sudden changed, he became quiet and withdrawn. i don't doubt joe would sell his soul & his son's soul/body for fortune & fame. it's said any celebs that are very well known/highly paid must swear allegiance to the cabal. i think as mike became older he began to realize how the game was played started dropping dimes & wanted out, hence molestation charges. pedophilia is not only rampant in hollywood but also high up in gov & business (see conspiracy of silence {u-tube} ). not to mention the vatican (remember the priest & boys not to long ago in the news). 250 to 300,000 children go missing every year in the U.S. some never heard from again. but controlled msm does not report this (PLEASE WATCH UR CHILDREN) some end up as programmed sex slaves, hit men, drug mules etc. as do some celebs. WHAT PROF GRIFF SAYS I'VE ALSO HEARD FROM MANY OTHER SOURCES. as for the FEMA coffins (u-tube or alternative news sites) have been seen in fema region 3 - MD,WV,PA,VA. recently reported also in puerto rico.....WHY? when i first saw, "why are u still watching" my first answer was, (sarcastically) good question. thanks to u 'do' i now have my answer, i still believe in mj's army of love. i'm still keeping hope that he as commander will lead his army to cure the world of it's evil & evil doers. so that MY CHILDREN, YOUR CHILDREN, OUR CHILDREN CAN LIVE IN A BETTER WORLD than i do.
Hi Luvandmissumike, like you, I read so many stories about it, not just recently, but already since the start of this hoax 'adventure'. And yes, there are many really sick things going on. I never heard the rumors about Quincy Jones though. When I read that, I realized that maybe that was the real reason that Michael didn't want to work with him anymore and that Quincy wasn't at the memorial/funeral. All we can do now is hope that Mike was able to escape all of it, but if what we fear is true (that Michael was 'sold' and heavily controlled), do you think that he was able to get out of it without consequences, or consequences that were much worse then the molestation allegations (murder)? And if he did got away and this IS Michael's hoax, could it be that all the crazy things from last year really are diversions (by Mike) to give 'them' the impression he is dead and that 'they' won? (I know this sounds stupid, but what I mean is that these stories were the reason that I didn't believe in a hoax anymore, but if they are just diversions to confuse 'them', then i COULD understand it a little). And then come back..... and conquer? But why then the 'clues'? We are not the only ones who saw the clues you know? 'They' saw them too, maybe even here and on other sites. Will it ever be safe for Mike to come back?
from what i've heard, read, & saw the programming starts to break down around age 30 when the brain goes thru chemical changes ( i think i'm remembering right) well, some kind of mental changes. whether he made it out safely .... :confused: i do hope he was able to out think them. now with this anonymous person talking about 'secrets' and faking death in hollywood not being that rare, just makes things more :Pulling_hair:
as with this crazy world, this death hoax can get exhausting trying to figure it out.
you are right about the breaking down of programming, but I believe MJ was reprogrammed in the dangerous era, I read it somewhere, a long time ago, but now I can't find the link. Anyways, it is quite impossible to keep anything 'secret' from the TPTB, their connections are worldwide, I believe, and too powerful.
If there was a hoax being planned since decades, then 4 years were enough for Michael to get things right, and to achieve whatever he wanted to, given the simple fact that he had already planned everything in advance, taking adversities and adversaries into account.
But all these years there were nothing but "clues", clues that don't lead to any conclusion apart from the repeated emphasis on Michael being alive. It is getting stagnated. We still don't have real answers to real questions, all we have are assumptions.
And just like the past year, this year too will go on in the same dreary way as far as hoax is concerned. Some important dates MJ's birthday, "death" day, October 28, Christmas, any day of the year that adds up to 7, New Year's eve and any international holiday, will just go by.
And if Michael does come back this year, we must know whether it's really Michael Jackson or some clone/fake/impersonator, We may also have to observe his behavioral patterns and the "symbolism" he's showing off. So basically it;s not a celebration time if MJ comes back. It's more work and brainstorming.
Totally agree with you Thriller.
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**DO**- what a world, huh. i love someone that is not afraid to go in deep. :th_bravo: a person after my own heart. :beerchug: i noticed no one had any feed back for you. i too believe that mike was molested as a child. i remember an interview with K J saying that mike was out going then he all of a sudden changed, he became quiet and withdrawn. i don't doubt joe would sell his soul & his son's soul/body for fortune & fame. it's said any celebs that are very well known/highly paid must swear allegiance to the cabal. i think as mike became older he began to realize how the game was played started dropping dimes & wanted out, hence molestation charges. pedophilia is not only rampant in hollywood but also high up in gov & business (see conspiracy of silence {u-tube} ). not to mention the vatican (remember the priest & boys not to long ago in the news). 250 to 300,000 children go missing every year in the U.S. some never heard from again. but controlled msm does not report this (PLEASE WATCH UR CHILDREN) some end up as programmed sex slaves, hit men, drug mules etc. as do some celebs. WHAT PROF GRIFF SAYS I'VE ALSO HEARD FROM MANY OTHER SOURCES. as for the FEMA coffins (u-tube or alternative news sites) have been seen in fema region 3 - MD,WV,PA,VA. recently reported also in puerto rico.....WHY? when i first saw, "why are u still watching" my first answer was, (sarcastically) good question. thanks to u 'do' i now have my answer, i still believe in mj's army of love. i'm still keeping hope that he as commander will lead his army to cure the world of it's evil & evil doers. so that MY CHILDREN, YOUR CHILDREN, OUR CHILDREN CAN LIVE IN A BETTER WORLD than i do.
Hi Luvandmissumike, like you, I read so many stories about it, not just recently, but already since the start of this hoax 'adventure'. And yes, there are many really sick things going on. I never heard the rumors about Quincy Jones though. When I read that, I realized that maybe that was the real reason that Michael didn't want to work with him anymore and that Quincy wasn't at the memorial/funeral. All we can do now is hope that Mike was able to escape all of it, but if what we fear is true (that Michael was 'sold' and heavily controlled), do you think that he was able to get out of it without consequences, or consequences that were much worse then the molestation allegations (murder)? And if he did got away and this IS Michael's hoax, could it be that all the crazy things from last year really are diversions (by Mike) to give 'them' the impression he is dead and that 'they' won? (I know this sounds stupid, but what I mean is that these stories were the reason that I didn't believe in a hoax anymore, but if they are just diversions to confuse 'them', then i COULD understand it a little). And then come back..... and conquer? But why then the 'clues'? We are not the only ones who saw the clues you know? 'They' saw them too, maybe even here and on other sites. Will it ever be safe for Mike to come back?
from what i've heard, read, & saw the programming starts to break down around age 30 when the brain goes thru chemical changes ( i think i'm remembering right) well, some kind of mental changes. whether he made it out safely .... :confused: i do hope he was able to out think them. now with this anonymous person talking about 'secrets' and faking death in hollywood not being that rare, just makes things more :Pulling_hair:
as with this crazy world, this death hoax can get exhausting trying to figure it out.
you are right about the breaking down of programming, but I believe MJ was reprogrammed in the dangerous era, I read it somewhere, a long time ago, but now I can't find the link. Anyways, it is quite impossible to keep anything 'secret' from the TPTB, their connections are worldwide, I believe, and too powerful.
If there was a hoax being planned since decades, then 4 years were enough for Michael to get things right, and to achieve whatever he wanted to, given the simple fact that he had already planned everything in advance, taking adversities and adversaries into account.
But all these years there were nothing but "clues", clues that don't lead to any conclusion apart from the repeated emphasis on Michael being alive. It is getting stagnated. We still don't have real answers to real questions, all we have are assumptions.
And just like the past year, this year too will go on in the same dreary way as far as hoax is concerned. Some important dates MJ's birthday, "death" day, October 28, Christmas, any day of the year that adds up to 7, New Year's eve and any international holiday, will just go by.
And if Michael does come back this year, we must know whether it's really Michael Jackson or some clone/fake/impersonator, We may also have to observe his behavioral patterns and the "symbolism" he's showing off. So basically it;s not a celebration time if MJ comes back. It's more work and brainstorming.
Totally agree with you Thriller.
agree also.
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Still watching because.....well I guess it´s become a habit.
Also it´s nice to stay in touch with all the people that I´ve gotten to know over the years.
I´m not expecting anything anymore. I ransacked my brains over this for so long now and I am getting tired.
I know he´s out there somewhere. Keep watching...just in case :icon_neutral:
Meanwhile everything seems silent and uneventful. People are still making up far-fetched clues, the more silence, the more nonsense and wild guesses.
Fake MJ "business" on Twitter and FB seems to boom for the same reason lately and I am terribly and utterly annoyed to be honest.
It´s just people clutching at a straw. My opinion of course.....
Anyone still looking at Michael´s life and the more serious aspects?
The truth is hidden somewhere and maybe it´s ugly. But I´d rather think about that than to bullshit and reassure myself with the happy "rainbow-shitting" (sorry for the language) from fake a, b, c....you name it.....
Don´t want to offend anyone. If that works for you and you believe in it. That´s fine with me. Happy you.
I just can´t and watching it gets harder every day.
Anyway.....
Michael, it´s not fun anymore. I am tired.
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What keeps you here? Aka, what makes you keep watching?
I :moonwalk_:...
The situation is much more complex than it seems ... Let's not forget that Michael Jackson has struggled against the so-called powers and he had challenged them to a duel dangerous, extremely dangerous.
King of mystery but also the wise direction of its existence, to organize a plan like this intelligent and meticulous , Michael has come up with step by step the most amazing coincidences. Unexplained at the moment.
Our perseverance and patience needed to join together the steps , dots , coincidences , and all that will be ... should not decrease the apparent absence of " evidence" or " BUM " .
Do not forget that the end of the hoax is not only the "return" of Michael , but achieving success against the powers that be .
Let's look at the reality , the fierce resistance of many politicians in collusion or complicity with criminal activity and offenders against the innocence of children .
How many pedophiles sitting on armchairs of international tribunals that protect their accomplices ?
Michael fought against pedophilia ,that is minefield !
For the law of retaliation ,Michael was accused !
Michael was defamed , insulted , mocked !
Do you think it is easy to fight against these criminals ?
Michael fought against drugs and chemicals , against the trade of child prostitution .
Do you know how many famous people belong to seven who buy children for human sacrifice or sex ? !
To knock over the table of the merchants is not easy and quick !
I was and am on the side of Michael and his passionate love with his interior purity for the world .
We must , each of us in his little life, do not stop fighting against immorality and degradation of the core values of existence.This is the strong message of Michael!
This is why I'm still here , I will stay here until the bubble burst of lies and deceit against Michael will lead the criminals (with full name) in front any Court. :judge-smiley:
:moonwalk_:
I loved this post! A resounding YES!!! I like your pic of MJ with his shoe off, and I'm thinking he's soon going to chuck it hard at TPTB.
They ARE going down under his authority. MJ told God he would do anything for him, and God knows he's the man for the job.
There are unseen battles being fought, and MJ simply asks for our support, loyalty, and love. Sure we can wish for things to go quickly the way we'd like them to, and if any of us needs a break to get our strength up again, do it, and then come back ready to be his Army of Love. I feel more passionately about this as each year goes by. He needs us as much as we need him. Other humanitarians are doing good around the world, but MJ is going for the jugular of one of the biggest sources of that suffering.
BTW, there are signs of positive changes coming like this one. They can't keep up with demand for this magazine issue.
Aida Poulsen @AidaPoulsen 7h
HL just published online full article MICHAEL JACKSON. DID HE NEED TO DIE?: http://www.healthylivingmagazine.us/Articles/233/ , and... pic.twitter.com/oF01vwVPBK
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Do, though I agree/believe much of what that article on Illuminati control of the Entertainment Industry says, they are obviously wrong about MJ being dead. I also believe that there can be those whose own fears/world views/biases cause them to interpret facts in the most evil ways, believing rumors to be true, etc. http://tvone.tv/topics/celebrity_gossip/rumors/quincy-jones-smashes-tupac-rumors-from-the-90s.html You simply can't believe everything that even 'experts' say. Even MJ said don't believe something unless you've talked one-on-one with that person. The public believed/s all that crap about MJ simply because they read it from so-called experts. Everyone has a bias of some kind, and they lean their supporting evidence in that direction. The symbolism in MJ's works can be from 'them' and can also be him exposing 'them'. There are always other ways of viewing the same evidence. I read stuff like that article and I feel so sad and hopeless for MJ, but then I think of all we've learned here, and I go NO, it just doesn't fit all we've learned. I used to immerse myself in all that kind of Illuminati stuff, and it all scared the crap out of me, got me all depressed. I hope you're okay with me giving my thoughts on that, don't want to offend you. :icon_e_smile:
RK, :icon_lol: I'd be outtahere so fast!
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Do, though I agree/believe much of what that article on Illuminati control of the Entertainment Industry says, they are obviously wrong about MJ being dead. I also believe that there can be those whose own fears/world views/biases cause them to interpret facts in the most evil ways, believing rumors to be true, etc. http://tvone.tv/topics/celebrity_gossip/rumors/quincy-jones-smashes-tupac-rumors-from-the-90s.html You simply can't believe everything that even 'experts' say. Even MJ said don't believe something unless you've talked one-on-one with that person. The public believed/s all that crap about MJ simply because they read it from so-called experts. Everyone has a bias of some kind, and they lean their supporting evidence in that direction. The symbolism in MJ's works can be from 'them' and can also be him exposing 'them'. There are always other ways of viewing the same evidence. I read stuff like that article and I feel so sad and hopeless for MJ, but then I think of all we've learned here, and I go NO, it just doesn't fit all we've learned. I used to immerse myself in all that kind of Illuminati stuff, and it all scared the crap out of me, got me all depressed. I hope you're okay with me giving my thoughts on that, don't want to offend you. :icon_e_smile:
RK, :icon_lol: I'd be outtahere so fast!
MJonmind, ofcourse you are right, and I don't feel offended at all! There are always more ways to view the evidence. And exposing 'them' could be exactly what's going on. It's just all the other stuff that happenend (and yes, I do believe he was under influence of some sort, and I do believe him when he said there was conspiracy all around him and that there was a pattern in it) that makes me wonder if he was in control the whole time. Just wondering if he could escape it at some point. That's what we all hope for. That's what I want to believe so badly. Did he have a chance against 'them'. When he said he outsmarted them, was that the cue for them to somehow get rid of him, destroy him. Fearing what he might expose.
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Still watching because.....well I guess it´s become a habit.
Also it´s nice to stay in touch with all the people that I´ve gotten to know over the years.
I´m not expecting anything anymore. I ransacked my brains over this for so long now and I am getting tired.
I know he´s out there somewhere. Keep watching...just in case :icon_neutral:
Meanwhile everything seems silent and uneventful. People are still making up far-fetched clues, the more silence, the more nonsense and wild guesses.
Fake MJ "business" on Twitter and FB seems to boom for the same reason lately and I am terribly and utterly annoyed to be honest.
It´s just people clutching at a straw. My opinion of course.....
Anyone still looking at Michael´s life and the more serious aspects?
The truth is hidden somewhere and maybe it´s ugly. But I´d rather think about that than to bullshit and reassure myself with the happy "rainbow-shitting" (sorry for the language) from fake a, b, c....you name it.....
Don´t want to offend anyone. If that works for you and you believe in it. That´s fine with me. Happy you.
I just can´t and watching it gets harder every day.
Anyway.....
Michael, it´s not fun anymore. I am tired.
This
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSwcKMRLmkc[/youtube]
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So come on bec, why are you still here?
I have no idea, although I do value the opinion of my fellow hoaxers, I'm pretty sure at this point that I was wrong, there is no ARG, and there will be no fantastic bamsday in our future.
Which is a huge shame and if I think about it for too long it will break my heart, because it just kills me to think there will be no justice for MJ, that he will forever go down in history as a weirdo, suspected child-molesting, drug addict who once was a really great singer and dancer but who's life spiraled quickly out of control and culminated in a very shameful and public demise.
And that disgusts me so much I just want to wash my hands of it and bury everything MJ. And unfortunately, I have been here before, in the past, after that Bashir interview, I felt similarly.
I used to say this hoax changed my life, but in reality, since it appears more n more that there is no hoax, I changed my life--which is, I suppose, the silver lining here, but man, what a huge disappointment to think what could have been. I would trade that self-empowerment for MJ getting the last laugh in a hot second.
To some extent I'm still watching out of force of habit, hope against hope, and just not being quite ready to accept that it was all just a fantastic dream. The human brain is an amazing thing, and the longer I think about the events surrounding 6/25/09, the more I get sucked back in to it.
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To witness is to exist ... so I will continue watching until I no longer wish to exist
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To witness is to exist ... so I will continue watching until I no longer wish to exist
WTF are you smoking? Bring us some, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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yea walk across the street and deliver the goods.. and my cane money
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I am watching because I am loyal to all members here and not here, to days we have been through analyzing facts, videos, documents, ideas.
No matter how hoax ends, I don not regret minute I spent here, believed in hoax.
And I don't care about everything else, you know what I mean.
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^^^ Can't argue with you there Applehead! (I noticed the car pictures too)
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^^^ Can't argue with you there Applehead! (I noticed the car pictures too)
What do you both mean? sorry I'm a bit slow, lol
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Can't speak for applehead, but I mean that seeing what the media portray doesn't necessarily lead to me believing it. Nothing to do with the hoax.
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I just pointed out what the article said. Not what I believe.
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What keeps me here is the desire to hopefully one day know who the notorious Back really is.
I have no doubt that Michael is alive, although I don't think he's coming back into the spotlight. The reason I think that is because his reputation was never fully restored and there would always be people who'd follow him around making horrible comments to him and he doesn't need that. He's fulfilled what he wanted to do for a long time with the movie, the video games, Cirque show, etc., and he's making a lot of money, enough to support his family without hardship. I don't think this is the last of what Michael will be doing and I keep waiting to see what will become of Neverland.
But what keeps me really coming back are the unanswered questions. I often wonder about those who posted early on - those that seemed to have legitimacy and answered questions that hadn't even come up yet. I keep coming back to see if the real Back would resurface.
I still hold out hope that Michael will surprise us with a physical return but in truth I come back to see if there are answers to my unanswered questions.
Blessings to you. And thank you, Souza, for keeping the site going. I would be sad if it no longer existed.
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What keeps me here is the desire to hopefully one day know who the notorious Back really is.
I have no doubt that Michael is alive, although I don't think he's coming back into the spotlight. The reason I think that is because his reputation was never fully restored and there would always be people who'd follow him around making horrible comments to him and he doesn't need that. He's fulfilled what he wanted to do for a long time with the movie, the video games, Cirque show, etc., and he's making a lot of money, enough to support his family without hardship. I don't think this is the last of what Michael will be doing and I keep waiting to see what will become of Neverland.
But what keeps me really coming back are the unanswered questions. I often wonder about those who posted early on - those that seemed to have legitimacy and answered questions that hadn't even come up yet. I keep coming back to see if the real Back would resurface.
I still hold out hope that Michael will surprise us with a physical return but in truth I come back to see if there are answers to my unanswered questions.
Blessings to you. And thank you, Souza, for keeping the site going. I would be sad if it no longer existed.
Couldn't have said it better. So, ditto, ditto, ditto. No matter what I will always know that MJ is alive... But, I don't come around here much anymore.
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I'm waiting for the truth.
There are too many bizarre circumstances surrounding Michael's death. If it's not a hoax... I believe his death was deliberate, a set up. Michael was a very intelligent, self-educated, and self-aware man. There is no doubt in my mind... Michael would NOT use propofol as a sleeping medication. Michael cared about his health, but mostly, Michael cared beyond measure for his children. I do not for one second believe that Michael would ask for propofol without knowing what it was supposed to be used for or the risks. For that reason, there is no way Michael would use propofol knowing that he may not wake up and leave his three children as orphans.
this is the exact thing I said when the news came out that he died of the propofol overdose, I said michael was afraid of a coca cola for the sake of his health, it was that very moment I knew it was a lie he wouldn't do that to himself and just like others said they are here because we know he is alive, g this to end or atleast for michael to give us another new clue like he did with Dave Dave perhaps he could become al perhaps new celebrity until people know it is him then finally come back. We have to get the medias attention so that we can get Michael to see we are here supporting him and also someone should do a voice analysis to prove he was Dave Dave then put that proof on the news and then bam he will surface, but I don't want to sound disrespectful I do understand that if michael wants to be left alone we should respect that but if he wants to be left alone then why make so many ways to show us he is alive? Reasons like fake death photos,being Dave Dave,video survalnce was down,jermain saying the airport,the casket being closed and tons more others that I could go on for ever with this just says michael is definitely alive :Pullingair: well I guess soethings we will never kniw I also find it strange how much president Obama became president right before MJS death. Well keep believing and let's work together to make this hit the media and ill admit michael is my life's inspiration and his music is beautiful as are his videos and himself I really hope he comes out soon, love this site and hope someday we can akk come here and talk about how right we were lol the site remain open when Michael Jackson returns? I hope so because you all inspre me as well with all your honest kindness and love for Michel and one another. Take care everyone
As I said in another time around, it doesn't depend on if Media knows or not if Michael is alive for MJ to pull his BAM off due to I think that at this point Media already knows he's alive but they don't want to admit it until MJ's comeback.
You said that we need another big clue from Michael, ok don't you think that the biggest clue ever is that Katherine jackson lost the AEG trial and then Michael's "I'm a loser" song was released? That for me is the irrefutable clue he is alive.
wow i did not know that! Yes I agree the media is awaiting. Sorry to all for not being very knowledgeable and not being here in a while, but no worries because I can't always contribute doesn't stop me from coming on daily on my lunch to read every time I see a new topic I think could it be? Mj is back then I get to read interesting information being a guy who doesn't watch tv and not interested in tv this keeps me up to date and also entertained and all the kindness here keeps me inspired. Well take care everyone and I'm praying for everyone here,Michael and his bam.
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I'm still watching... no as much as i'd like, but i try to.
I must say i've been quite disappointed by some "fan's war"(in which there was no Han Solo, damn it !) on forums or FB... and i was also disappointed by many things about MJ and his fam and his life and all the things we never knew, never were told... I was feeling like a stranger to all this, like : "why the F*** am i a fan of "all this ?"
i mean, i'm not a fan of trials, of fan's arguing, of MJ worshipping, of trashmedia reading... it's everything i hate about MJ's world (yes i said i hate MJ's fan, so what ?) My only hope in all this is to see MJ alive and dream i can sit some day on a bench with him, share few words.
I know i gotta go THROUGH this to try find about what MJ is trying to tell us, try to show us. Just sometime it's like an overdose and i feel this huge need to escape from this whole bunch of nuts and say "HEY, where's my life ? Where are the random stuff i used to do before i logged on MJDHI ? Did i ever had a life before that ?" lol
All i mean is that i REALLY try hard to keep a balance between "Where is MJ" and "My personnal life which is rather fun too"
I'm very busy right now with the shelter, trying to help animals, trying to raise money, trying to get things done and keep it alive. I also must cope with a full time job that allows me not to live on an empty fridge. Those are my choices in life, and sometime i must choose "do i spend time on FB to get some pets adopted, or do i spend time on MJDHI to get the news about Michael". I admit Michael comes second, even sometime third, and i guess even if he was THERE, he wouldn't be first (OMG that must be true, it's terrible lol)
I'm proud of this choice because nothing's more important to me than saving a pet's life, but sometime i feel ashamed not to find time for everything. So sometime i come and i write a lot here, trying to say i'm still here, that there's not a single day i don't think about Michael. I stay away too far, i'm lost with all the things i didn't see or investigated, and in the end, i don't know if that's much necessary for me to know about "everything".
I just hope MJ knows, somehow, that i care.
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I'm still watching because regardless of which clue I'm following, whether I go with the "Liberian Girl" hint or the religious parallels of the hoax, both necessitate that Michael reveal himself by the end, in the flesh—not in some vague, metaphorical, secretive fashion that only the believers pick up on. Everyone will know that he's back and that he's been watching us all along (which is true in both "Liberian Girl" and in the bible i.e. Psalm 11:4; Psalm 33:13-15 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ps11%3A4%3B%2033%3A13-15&version=NIV)). Not just Michael's friends, not just beLIEvers, but even the non-beLIEvers will know he's back. The whole world will know Michael has come back in the flesh, including his enemies.
Revelation 6:15-17 (NIV)
15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty,
and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of
the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[a]
from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the
great day of their[b
Footnotes:
a. Revelation 6:16 See Hosea 10:8.
b. Revelation 6:17 Some manuscripts his
2 Thessalonians 1:6-10(NIV)
6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you
who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed
from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who
do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with
everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his
might 10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among
all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.
At the end of the day, Michael is not Jesus, but with the whole sting operation/FBI element, I do believe people will be getting punished by the end of this—unless they're under the witness protection program and in such a case, because they 'fessed up and handed over the evil people, even though they may have been guilty, they will be pardoned/protected and get to start their life over, new identity and all, no punishment, shown mercy. All this talk of Conrad Murray being a "scapegoat", a "fall guy", leads me to believe that, because Murray did the "time" (endured the punishment for a "crime" he didn't commit), someone else won't have to if they confess in time, possibly explaining all the delays we've been having (waiting for more people to confess ? and opt for a new start as a protected witness?).
2 Peter 3:8-9 (NIV)
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
I'm not sure how much inspiration Michael is taking from the bible, but I suspect that whoever keeps the faith 'til the end will be invited to meet him in person (whether in the air ["MJ Air" blimp] or on earth [in neverland? the "sacred land" according to Wade?] I don't know). :icon_albino:
Revelation 17:14 (NIV)
14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them
because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called,
chosen and faithful followers.”
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I'm still around, though i think we are very few now.... 5 years have come and gone... it's a bit quiet now and it's like everybody has made decision to leave or to stay there forever lol
you'll have to bury me with this website, coz i'll be around to matter what lol
I don't think i'm searching for clues anymore. I just want to be around. because i feel that "believer" is what i am supposed to be. so i keep standing so Michael knows we are still here. I have my own life and there is not much i can do about this hoax stuff. i think the least i can do is be there, keep him on my mind anytime show i don't give up about him. what other way do we have ?
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What keeps you here? Aka, what makes you keep watching?
Approaching 5 years, arguably the hoax has hit an impasse, the radio silence is deafening, and it's tempting to give up and throw in the towel and yet... there are many still here, lurking, waiting, watching. Why? What are you waiting for?
I don't know what happened, I don't know if we made it all up, but the amount of time that has passed combined with this complete and utter silence from hoax HQ, makes me seriously doubt that this project has an ending even remotely like what we used to speculate and even expect to come to fruition.
I do now wonder if this is how MJ chose to exit his public life, and this is the legacy he chose for his persona; the perpetual hoax, to lay the foundation for permanent expectations to top Elvis, to keep an underground facet of faithful, ever waiting for his hoax to be revealed--and leave it that way forever. The ultimate man of mystery, left a mystery for the ages. Our generation's Elvis, and maybe that was good enough for him.
So tell me what you think. Why are you still here? What keeps you hanging on?
Well I have my personal reasons :D .....but one of them is, that I want to know how this "charade" ends ...... if it will ever end lol :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: !!!!
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What keeps you here? Aka, what makes you keep watching?
Approaching 5 years, arguably the hoax has hit an impasse, the radio silence is deafening, and it's tempting to give up and throw in the towel and yet... there are many still here, lurking, waiting, watching. Why? What are you waiting for?
I don't know what happened, I don't know if we made it all up, but the amount of time that has passed combined with this complete and utter silence from hoax HQ, makes me seriously doubt that this project has an ending even remotely like what we used to speculate and even expect to come to fruition.
I do now wonder if this is how MJ chose to exit his public life, and this is the legacy he chose for his persona; the perpetual hoax, to lay the foundation for permanent expectations to top Elvis, to keep an underground facet of faithful, ever waiting for his hoax to be revealed--and leave it that way forever. The ultimate man of mystery, left a mystery for the ages. Our generation's Elvis, and maybe that was good enough for him.
So tell me what you think. Why are you still here? What keeps you hanging on?
Well I have my personal reasons :D .....but one of them is, that I want to know how this "charade" ends ...... if it will ever end lol :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: !!!!
Me 2. But, Charade :icon_question: HAH! One of many :icon_exclaim: :icon_e_surprised: It's going to take five more years to explain it all---that is IF he even wants to end it! ;) :TongueOutSmiley: :suspect: heh heh heh :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
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What keeps you here? Aka, what makes you keep watching?
Approaching 5 years, arguably the hoax has hit an impasse, the radio silence is deafening, and it's tempting to give up and throw in the towel and yet... there are many still here, lurking, waiting, watching. Why? What are you waiting for?
I don't know what happened, I don't know if we made it all up, but the amount of time that has passed combined with this complete and utter silence from hoax HQ, makes me seriously doubt that this project has an ending even remotely like what we used to speculate and even expect to come to fruition.
I do now wonder if this is how MJ chose to exit his public life, and this is the legacy he chose for his persona; the perpetual hoax, to lay the foundation for permanent expectations to top Elvis, to keep an underground facet of faithful, ever waiting for his hoax to be revealed--and leave it that way forever. The ultimate man of mystery, left a mystery for the ages. Our generation's Elvis, and maybe that was good enough for him.
So tell me what you think. Why are you still here? What keeps you hanging on?
Well I have my personal reasons :D .....but one of them is, that I want to know how this "charade" ends ...... if it will ever end lol :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: !!!!
Me 2. But, Charade :icon_question: HAH! One of many :icon_exclaim: :icon_e_surprised: It's going to take five more years to explain it all---that is IF he even wants to end it! ;) :TongueOutSmiley: :suspect: heh heh heh :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
"One of many".....yes I'm with you on this :beerchug:......especially that J.F.K. assasination lol :icon_geek:....
Dick Gregory,one of M.J. friend and Geraldo Rivera :icon_rolleyes: must "know" more about this :D. The events that transpired that day were simply told to the news media and they repeated it. There were no news media in the plaza, it wasn't until 1973 when Groden and Dick Gregory show the nation the Zapruder film on Geraldo's Good Night America show, for everyone to finally see the assassination (hoax) video. Everything you know you got from the media and so called "eye witnesses". THEY LIE, and many so far have been shown to have affiliations with the "Family" or "Families"......
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lisF3DLdac
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So yes.....it will take more than 5 years to "explain" THIS :icon_pale: :icon_lol:.Maybe 50 years more,or who knows how many more lol :icon_lol:,but the most important thing is,that: This is It.... the BEST SOAP OPERA EVER made......and it's still going,like Young and the restless is lol :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: !!!!
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Do you think the Kennedy family lied all this time, or only that there is a cover up about the true killing of JFK? What is the Hoax part? Do you think Bobby K and JFK Jr are alive as well??? maybe even Martin Luther King???????? WHY abdicate power that one has in hand??? It is very real that things were reversed which JFK had changed. Dropping the ball mid throw is not a Kennedy thing. And Junior ACTED like he was very cautiously picking up his DEAD father and uncle's mantles in a different way, not like they were directing him from behind a curtain. What are you saying this is to accomplish, I mean WHAT for?? You don't believe Jackie's own response to everything, including writing her "tell all" book to be published after all who witnessed that day are dead? ??? ?? If no one is dead, why the strange caution about her adult children? Are you saying ALL of that was to misdirect from some other event or plan in the works all these years? Or has THAT been accomplished already, and we just need to expose things for correct historical record (as if there is such a thing)? Idk.... :icon_e_confused: Who would Junior be hiding from and what could make it safe for him to show himself alive, NOW? And how do YOU know this? And where does MJ fit in? I know...this one is off topic...but tell me anyway! :icon_geek:
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Do you think the Kennedy family lied all this time, or only that there is a cover up about the true killing of JFK? What is the Hoax part? Do you think Bobby K and JFK Jr are alive as well??? maybe even Martin Luther King????????
Riddle me this,riddle me that......I wonder why and who ever said that our history books are a fraud :icon_question: :icon_mrgreen:??
Dropping the ball mid throw is not a Kennedy thing.WHY abdicate power that one has in hand??
"It is not a Kennedy thing". Really.....are you sure :icon_geek: ?? Well,from my point of view,the answer is the word.......CHANGE/.I don't know if you know lol what I mean,but for this people the word monotony/mediocre,is not an option,or better said it does not exist lol :icon_lol: :icon_geek: .For example......a mediocre one,lol is: why to wear just one pair of shoes, when you can wear another dozens ones :icon_rolleyes: :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121:!!!!!
.... And where does MJ fit in?
It is so obvious......"THE SHOW" has to go on lol ......in a way or another :michael_jackson-1135: :elvis-1405: !!!
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@ To Be or not To Be:
Well, um...I was being serious. I "get" fiendish and revolutionary type laughter, and I get foolish laughter, but I don't get your meaning here, or your laughing at :LolLolLolLol: everything :LolLolLolLol: you say. :LolLolLolLol: Are you saying that all these dead people had to go underground, literally, real-ly, in order to form some kind of "Justice League"? Well...I did think it was strange that Mrs (M.L.)King herself, flew home with the "body" of Bobby Kennedy... That was nothing but bizarre. But, it doesn't make sense that Robert Kennedy did all that campaigning, neglecting his ten kids and wife, just for a smokescreen....why are you laughing? Is it funny that he and his ex-president brother (sort of a new Batman and Robin) DASHED everybody's hopes on the rocks and wasted all their education and station in life hiding out on the ocean for forty years, instead of making that change they had at their fingertips??????????? What is Ted Kennedy's excuse then, if you think working his way into the Senate, and dying there years later, was the mediocre way to go? I don't understand at all. What on earth do you know? :icon_pale:
And, heck yeah, the history as reported is mostly bogus, YOU know it. I say so, and I know this because those doing it are still spinning today's news as they document it for posterity. They would be spinning the outcome of this :affraid: very Hoax, too, except that a certain Puppet Master has cleverly, authoritatively coded and taken steps to control his own narrative these days...Now THAT is funny. :D That's just ONE reason why I am still watchin'!
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Im still watching because I don't believe what we were told regarding his death. im still searching for the truth
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My sense of wonder keeps me watching. My heart keeps me watching. BELIEVING helps me to manage my overwhelming grief of his absence. Are there other options? Sadly, I just cannot say goodbye and let go...
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@ To Be or not To Be:
Well, um...I was being serious. I "get" fiendish and revolutionary type laughter, and I get foolish laughter, but I don't get your meaning here, or your laughing at :LolLolLolLol: everything :LolLolLolLol: you say. :LolLolLolLol: Are you saying that all these dead people had to go underground, literally, real-ly, in order to form some kind of "Justice League"? Well...I did think it was strange that Mrs (M.L.)King herself, flew home with the "body" of Bobby Kennedy... That was nothing but bizarre. But, it doesn't make sense that Robert Kennedy did all that campaigning, neglecting his ten kids and wife, just for a smokescreen....why are you laughing? Is it funny that he and his ex-president brother (sort of a new Batman and Robin) DASHED everybody's hopes on the rocks and wasted all their education and station in life hiding out on the ocean for forty years, instead of making that change they had at their fingertips??????????? What is Ted Kennedy's excuse then, if you think working his way into the Senate, and dying there years later, was the mediocre way to go? I don't understand at all. What on earth do you know? :icon_pale:
And, heck yeah, the history as reported is mostly bogus, YOU know it. I say so, and I know this because those doing it are still spinning today's news as they document it for posterity. They would be spinning the outcome of this :affraid: very Hoax, too, except that a certain Puppet Master has cleverly, authoritatively coded and taken steps to control his own narrative these days...Now THAT is funny. :D That's just ONE reason why I am still watchin'!
Why not ?If this MF bastards( that BTW are watching :images: )are laughing at our expense......why not.
And yes ,hiSTORY is indeed bogus.....a story/fiction,anything but real :errrr: .People beLIEve everything that is told to them......talking about "manipulate" weather ,or should I say people :( .
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@ To Be or not To Be:
Well, um...I was being serious. I "get" fiendish and revolutionary type laughter, and I get foolish laughter, but I don't get your meaning here, or your laughing at :LolLolLolLol: everything :LolLolLolLol: you say. :LolLolLolLol: Are you saying that all these dead people had to go underground, literally, real-ly, in order to form some kind of "Justice League"? Well...I did think it was strange that Mrs (M.L.)King herself, flew home with the "body" of Bobby Kennedy... That was nothing but bizarre. But, it doesn't make sense that Robert Kennedy did all that campaigning, neglecting his ten kids and wife, just for a smokescreen....why are you laughing? Is it funny that he and his ex-president brother (sort of a new Batman and Robin) DASHED everybody's hopes on the rocks and wasted all their education and station in life hiding out on the ocean for forty years, instead of making that change they had at their fingertips??????????? What is Ted Kennedy's excuse then, if you think working his way into the Senate, and dying there years later, was the mediocre way to go? I don't understand at all. What on earth do you know? :icon_pale:
And, heck yeah, the history as reported is mostly bogus, YOU know it. I say so, and I know this because those doing it are still spinning today's news as they document it for posterity. They would be spinning the outcome of this :affraid: very Hoax, too, except that a certain Puppet Master has cleverly, authoritatively coded and taken steps to control his own narrative these days...Now THAT is funny. :D That's just ONE reason why I am still watchin'!
Why not ?If this MF bastards( that BTW are watching :images: )are laughing at our expense......why not.
And yes ,hiSTORY is indeed bogus.....a story/fiction,anything but real :errrr: .People beLIEve everything that is told to them......talking about "manipulate" weather ,or should I say people :( .
Ok. Well...SHEEEESH :o. Why don't you tell us how you really feel? I was worried about you :suspect: (laughing so much to yourself) (we used to have a special room for that here!), but now that I realize you have pulled a Houdini and shucked your buckled straightjacket, I guess some sputtering is allowed. :Crash: But-- :omg: :icon_exclaim: do you mean Michael Jackson's plan is not going "head to head" as "they" have expected, but, he has out thunk TPTB again, by stealthfully going inside/ out? That the REAL plan (besides flipping them off with emoticons :TongueOutSmiley:) actually involves GROWTH and change, not REVOLT and change ??? Oh KAY :icon_exclaim: That's a whole (n)other animal! :icon_lol: Very sly. Aren't YOU the clever one, 2B... :D
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I'm still watching because Michael created all of this for some reason/purpose and I would like to know what the reason/purpose is and why it had to be done this way.
Michael has always talked to his fans through his music and his death is no different. From the 02 conference to the TII movie Michael was telling us something. We just had to focus and listen. But it was and still is hard to do.
Family members and friends have kept us busy with half truths and outrageous stories; noise to keep the hoax going. When the silence was deafening we started to wonder but then here comes TMZ with something to start the noise all over again.
One thing that I have always held on to was the fact that the believers were never told to stop. There was one instance on twitter with Jermaine, but if you consider the source it never really meant anything. If you think about it, the people who you would expect to say something did and the ones who wouldn't say anything, didn't. Example: La Toya being the one to blame Murray and be front and center with all of it. You would expect that. Now if Janet would have been the one doing it, I probably would have had second thoughts because you wouldn't have expected Janet to be the one leading the way.
There have been many moments in the past 5 years on a personal level with this hoax that I know we are doing what we are supposed to be doing. Someone once told me that the believers seek justice in a different way than non believers do.
I will continue to keep watching and listening and even though we may never receive all that we want I do believe we have and will continue to receive what we need. I do believe we will see him smile again which means he has to come back to do that.
Love you Michael!