Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Welcome! => Introduce yourself => Topic started by: TypeONegative on December 16, 2013, 02:18:44 AM
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:michael-jackson: allow me to introduce myself i am a believer from ny who has poor gramer skills and not a forum type person, im more the guy to just read them but seeing as though i am a big mj fan and that i have tons of believe he is alive i have decided to join, my hobbies are snowmobiling,atvs and my 16 car/truck collection im 23 years old and do autobody for a living. i see some very interesting things posted here, i would like to share with you something iv never yet seen pointed out aboute the dave dave on lkl, if you look at his bottom teeth they are the exact color,distance back and crookedness as mjs now dont take this the wrong way all mj lovers! im not saying mj had bad teeth atall just my honest opinion, also my other big reasoning to the dave dave for believing is that they show a limo in the background and larry says to miko i believe thats the hears carrying the body into forrest lawn he will be entered, why show this when interviewing dave dave? and why is it a limo just another thing i want to pass by you believers i sincerly believe this has never been mentioned and that now i may have everyone realising this but i dont want to get ahead of myself just yet, lol well i hope everyone has a great holliday :michael-jackson: btw i wanted to say i hope my username does not offend anyone if it does i can remove it, i am a very large fan of TypeONegative i know what you guys are thinking, how does this guy like mj if he likes that kind of music, trust me i am a huge fan of both my reason for choosing TypeONegative as my username is to be different from the usual mj names. and to those who never heard of the band dont judge them by there lable as a metal band lol because they arent metal atall for most songs like todds ship gods and september sun my favorite is i dont wanna be me. my favorite mj songs are man in the mirror,thriller,billy jean,and many others. i feel i failed at typing this but i can only hope in time i can improve, well thanks for having me.
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Hi man welcome to the forum.
Dave Dave has been the turning point for the beLIEvers community so I find it quite interesting what you have mentioned about the teeth, I would really appreciate if you to post those pics (I mean MJ and Dave Dave in LK) to be compared.
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Hi TypeONegative. First, let me say welcome and hope you enjoy contributing to our hoax forum. I must admit that I am not familiar with the band of your screen name., but I do understand how people can like many genres of music, or even dance or art.
As for the famous Dave Dave interview, I had people [family members actually] who had thought I was quite mad to believe MJ was still alive, contact me to apologize after they saw that interview. Sweet.
I look forward to your contributions on the forum and always remember to wear protective clothing and a respirator mask when doing up cars.....I tell my husband this all the time. He is a panel beater /spray painter by trade.
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No judgement, just welcome.
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Welcome to the forum! :bearhug:
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Welcome among us !! :icon_razz:
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Hi TypeONegative. First, let me say welcome and hope you enjoy contributing to our hoax forum. I must admit that I am not familiar with the band of your screen name., but I do understand how people can like many genres of music, or even dance or art.
As for the famous Dave Dave interview, I had people [family members actually] who had thought I was quite mad to believe MJ was still alive, contact me to apologize after they saw that interview. Sweet.
I look forward to your contributions on the forum and always remember to wear protective clothing and a respirator mask when doing up cars.....I tell my husband this all the time. He is a panel beater /spray painter by trade.
this is great news for me, thank you for your advice I actually use a fresh air respirator so that I smell no fumes, for me its different, I keep my believer side secret and no one knows that I believe this, but much of my friends wouldn't understand. I also want to say to to say to the rest of everyone, wow what kind people, I know I a edge but here I go.......jumps off the edge.........I am beginning to believe that because of all ind fans that perhaps that is what allows us to see mjs hoax, perhaps mj made it so that only the real people sorry to sound judgmental but this is just my opinion can see this is a hoax, if you guys think this is crazy I agree but I really believe this after seeing how kind you all are. I am going to do some research tonight to compare mjs teeth, I have a plan to get mj back sooner he plans lets try to get someone to do a voice analysis, I will even pay for it because it will prove mj is alive even though we already know it was him in the interview, but its just like a paternity test we can know forsure but others will have opinions so if we can get all these [deaders] to believe then he will return sooner, now im not saying we should do this to force Michael to return but just to show him we all know and that its ok so that he does not fear he will shock to many people if he comes back. well sorry ge waste of time, I lack a lot of what you all have but I am always told whether it be true or not I don't know that I have a big heart and to be honest I try to help everyone. well im off to find some photos to keep you updated I can remember when I was only watching the forums I relied on a new post to read and you all kept it so interesting! now it feels good to be able to show clues I found. last thing I want to say is that Michael is my entire lifes inspiration and march 09 the rumors about mj in a wheel chair and everyone I knew said im betting he is going to die so this is exactly the image he made leading up to his [death], once I saw the dave dave commercial that's when I became a believer before reading anything online I actually watched the interview on tv the had many music videos for him and footage for many days and im almost certin he has a comeback planned. take care everyone and thank you for all the kind words I love this sight :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
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ok everyone im a bit over exited! I am not even joking! after researching this further my findings have me 100 percent sure to the point I would bet my health on it dave dave was mj! I know my talk is annoying lol if I read this after im going to be like why didn't I just wait to post this, now I made a fool of myself lol, you have to understand I just further discovered how true my opinion was and am proud to show it with you guys!!!!!!!!! if its ok that I ask I ask everyone gather up anyone who is loosing faith in the hoax because they will forever be a believer after this. ok while searching google images I can across a photo that shocked me and it was posted in mjdeathhoax.com and it was regarding mjs 02 concert not being a double and after seeing this close up what I already noticed became crystal clear! im so exited I want to show someone this who will announce it on the news. here is the link to the photo now whatch the dave dave interview with lkl and look at his bottom teeth! they are lower on the left side of the image but michaels right side so what im saying is mjs bottom teeth are lower on his right and higher on his left and if you look closely you will see the unevenness of the teeth especially on his right side to be exactly the same! I know I have a big head right now because im impressed but just because I feel like I finally confirmed the dave dave theory true doesn't mean I think anyone will agree so please give your honest opinion because I really want your real opinions so I can see if im the only one who this true. thanks everyone and im now so exited that I cant even wait to see your opinions! here is the link I think you all will be more than impressed with this finding but please take the time to watch the dave dave interview again and compare side by side I cant stress that enough because once you do this I wouldn't be surprised if you said wow I cant believe it it is mj :michael-jackson: (http://) http://www.google.com/imgres?sa=X&hl=en&qscrl=1&rlz=1T4NDKB_enUS561US561&biw=1366&bih=607&tbm=isch&tbnid=ySlPhYiHJIoroM:&imgrefurl=http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D17%26t%3D6415%26start%3D850&docid=tLy_MHRbLBVSwM&imgurl=http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4479/48006302.jpg&w=300&h=255&ei=NcuvUvqoE8nayAHO-oGoDQ&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:15,s:0,i:126&iact=rc&page=1&tbnh=173&tbnw=198&start=0&ndsp=22&tx=114&ty=97
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Here's the pic he linked to:
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4479/48006302.jpg)
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The videos of LKL-Dave Dave interview are really low quality. How are you able to find similarities between his teeth and those of MJ's? Anyways,I believe Dave Dave is MJ because of those mannerisms and I want to believe that is MJ.
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Thanks for posting the pic, bec - that's what I was trying to do in the post I deleted! Now we need a good close up pic of LKL Dave Dave for comparison.
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This is the best I was able to do, but I believe he might have used prosthetic teeth, sorry the pics are no so clear to be compared because it's due to the video quality:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/screenvdv.png)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/screenofo.png)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/screenqmq.png)
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Hi TypeONegative. First, let me say welcome and hope you enjoy contributing to our hoax forum. I must admit that I am not familiar with the band of your screen name., but I do understand how people can like many genres of music, or even dance or art.
As for the famous Dave Dave interview, I had people [family members actually] who had thought I was quite mad to believe MJ was still alive, contact me to apologize after they saw that interview. Sweet.
I look forward to your contributions on the forum and always remember to wear protective clothing and a respirator mask when doing up cars.....I tell my husband this all the time. He is a panel beater /spray painter by trade.
this is great news for me, thank you for your advice I actually use a fresh air respirator so that I smell no fumes, for me its different, I keep my believer side secret and no one knows that I believe this, but much of my friends wouldn't understand. I also want to say to to say to the rest of everyone, wow what kind people, I know I a edge but here I go.......jumps off the edge.........I am beginning to believe that because of all ind fans that perhaps that is what allows us to see mjs hoax, perhaps mj made it so that only the real people sorry to sound judgmental but this is just my opinion can see this is a hoax, if you guys think this is crazy I agree but I really believe this after seeing how kind you all are. I am going to do some research tonight to compare mjs teeth, I have a plan to get mj back sooner he plans lets try to get someone to do a voice analysis, I will even pay for it because it will prove mj is alive even though we already know it was him in the interview, but its just like a paternity test we can know forsure but others will have opinions so if we can get all these [deaders] to believe then he will return sooner, now im not saying we should do this to force Michael to return but just to show him we all know and that its ok so that he does not fear he will shock to many people if he comes back. well sorry ge waste of time, I lack a lot of what you all have but I am always told whether it be true or not I don't know that I have a big heart and to be honest I try to help everyone. well im off to find some photos to keep you updated I can remember when I was only watching the forums I relied on a new post to read and you all kept it so interesting! now it feels good to be able to show clues I found. last thing I want to say is that Michael is my entire lifes inspiration and march 09 the rumors about mj in a wheel chair and everyone I knew said im betting he is going to die so this is exactly the image he made leading up to his [death], once I saw the dave dave commercial that's when I became a believer before reading anything online I actually watched the interview on tv the had many music videos for him and footage for many days and im almost certin he has a comeback planned. take care everyone and thank you for all the kind words I love this sight :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
I like your positive vibes but I don't think that Michael's comeback depends on how many people believes he is alive or not, Michael has a plan which I am sure has been already changed twice but he will be back next year I am pretty pretty sure he'll be back before next Halloween 2014 cause I am almost sure things haven't gone as planned he is not perfect he is only human, if there will be any kinda name clearing will be after Michael's comeback but I am sure he'll be back.
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TypeONegative Welcome, glad you signed.
It agree with Sweetsunset not have many pics of Dave Dave, let alone smiling. But if anything I'm sure DD in LK, it's MJ!
Real DD has green eyes. DD in LK, dark eyes??
(http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/7817/uaur.png)
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I always thought from the beginning of this great adventure that Michael would come back
:moonwalk_: but he must be very strong because will not be an easy moment....he is preparing and he knows that here there is a whole world of love and support for him :bearhug:
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TypeONegative Welcome, glad you signed.
It agree with Sweetsunset not have many pics of Dave Dave, let alone smiling. But if anything I'm sure DD in LK, it's MJ!
Real DD has green eyes. DD in LK, dark eyes??
(http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/7817/uaur.png)
you are deffinitly right, this is what has been telling me that Michael wants us to know he lives, what makes me so curious is why did he want us to know, either its because he had to fake his death which is legal to save his life and never plans to return but wants us to know he lives, or because he wants us to know he will be back.
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Welcome to the forum !
First of all : Don't worry about being a fan of TypeO. I admit myself not listening to MJ everyday ! I'm a "fan" (though i don't like this word, let's say i really enjoy) NIN, Prong, Black Sabbath, Electric Six and many others that don't quite sound like MJ.
And let me tell you something : i highly doubt MJ himself listen his album everyday :p (Mike, if you read me, share some sound !)
So, be fine with this, there is no problem about it.
About Dave Dave, what got me the most are
- the way to talk, emphasizing some words, stopping at some time. it sounded like MJ telling a story.
- the mannerism, way to move, way to sit before answering a question. You find all this in MJ during interview.
now i don't know about the teeth, i never paid attention to that but if you have any picture to compare, i'd be happy to see that.
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Happy new year everyone :bearhug: I want to say I really like coming here your all so nice! Well I want to share a fast story with everyone that I forgot about telling, well I want to say in 09 me and my family were driving and we were listening to michael Jackson and after we talked about how beautiful the song man in the mirror is and how much I like the song wannabe starting something we began to talk about how he was wheel chair riddin and sick so i said I don't believe any of it and then my neighbor who is an older guy said he will die soon if he keeps up with s bad health, I began to tell them that I think Michael just wants some attention because of obama becoming president and no joke 3 days after we were all inn shock and disbelief to hear michael had died, right after Michaeal 'died' I was so confused and upset because. Me and my whole family love michael so much. After watching the news I knew it was fake and I never thought that it would last until 2010, I thought it was a joke or a way to promote a new album especially since my second favorite band did this in 2005 saying that peter Steele from type o negative died may 14 2005 so after I found out he only admited that it was faked because he had an ankle bracket and the police went to his home to verify he was alive, forgive me for going off topic bit on April 14 2010 I was shocked to hear peter Steele really died i didn't even want to live both of my idlols gone within a year! I don't know if he faked his death again or not I found it odd that he died the 14th when he faked his death on the 14th. But I do absolutly know in my heart and gut that Michael is for sure that Michael is alive but as much as I would hate to say this, I'm afraid he never plans on coming back I also feel he may have found a way to drastically slow or even stop aging. Well I hope I don't sound down bringing this is just something I wanted to share forever but never had the time iv enjoyed my weekend and I'm building a new toy in my 16 car/truck collection its a cheaper car but I love it its a 99 eclipse getting it all restored for spring. I wish we could all somehow get the medias attention and get something to make the news like dedicated fans believe michael Jackson is alive and check out there reasons that would likely get Michael to respond to us somehow. I really want to meet michael his beautiful music has been a huge inspiration,entertainment,message and enjoyment to millions of fans myself included and it isn't just the music but the man behind it, a loving caring man who would help anyone and a very talented man I can only hope he is planning on returning by the way he is visiting Paris so much I tend to think maybe he is planning his comeback. Well take care everyone I plan to contribute more the reason I haven't been on is because I had a bad auto accident December first but I'm ok.
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Hi, TypeONegative! Welcome to our family. I've been a believer well before the Dave Dave interview; however, the interview gave me chills. I just knew MJ was alive, but never expected he would appear in public after his death, even if it was in disguise. The mannerisms, the voice, and the eyes... just thinking about it gets my heart racing.
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:)Welcome to the forum TypeONegative.
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Hello TypONegative, Welcome to the forum, i hope you will have a great time here. :)
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but I am sure he'll be back.
There will be no comeback for the following reasons:
1 - A high volume of fans would be upset over the deception. And society views death hoaxes as highly unethical.
2 - The family name would be tarnished due to those ethics. And the family, or some of them, would have to be involved in the hoax. If people knew those tears were faked, not good.
3 - Too many legal ramifications/nightmares/backfirings would occur. And not necessarily for Michael but rather all those involved. With every hoax there are victims who might lash back. Or parties involved who try to save face via legal means.
4 - The main reason... the media, members of the law and medical sectors, members of family and corporations, etc are all involved in these Hollywood hoaxes. It would simply open up a huge can of worms with prominence on the media. If people started to learn that the mainstream media were in on these types of scams it would confirm the deceptive nature of the media and create a huge negative trickle effect towards/against the media. Once people figure out or learn how the illusion is carried out then people will easily be able to recognize the other illusions. Even if he came back with a logical sounding reason (or lie) and the media played along, too many people would be able to look beyond the reasons and start pondering over the other aspects... the funeral home, the courts, the hospital, the govt if he left the country, etc, etc... all part of scam.
He will never return. At least not as himself.
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but I am sure he'll be back.
There will be no comeback for the following reasons:
1 - A high volume of fans would be upset over the deception. And society views death hoaxes as highly unethical.
2 - The family name would be tarnished due to those ethics. And the family, or some of them, would have to be involved in the hoax. If people knew those tears were faked, not good.
3 - Too many legal ramifications/nightmares/backfirings would occur. And not necessarily for Michael but rather all those involved. With every hoax there are victims who might lash back. Or parties involved who try to save face via legal means.
4 - The main reason... the media, members of the law and medical sectors, members of family and corporations, etc are all involved in these Hollywood hoaxes. It would simply open up a huge can of worms with prominence on the media. If people started to learn that the mainstream media were in on these types of scams it would confirm the deceptive nature of the media and create a huge negative trickle effect towards/against the media. Once people figure out or learn how the illusion is carried out then people will easily be able to recognize the other illusions. Even if he came back with a logical sounding reason (or lie) and the media played along, too many people would be able to look beyond the reasons and start pondering over the other aspects... the funeral home, the courts, the hospital, the govt if he left the country, etc, etc... all part of scam.
He will never return. At least not as himself.
Hello Anon :) and welcome :icon_cool:.
Yes ,MJ is not "coming back". I have said this many times,but people don't want to listen.The problem is that you can't force people to believe something,it's much more complicated..........unfortunately :computer-losy-smiley: .
Yes SOME people die,in a very strange way,and I noticed this along time before.Things are very fishy and alot of what you wrote in your posts,I suspected already.......... that's why I find very ironic the famous phrase that You Can Be Whatever You Want To Be ,lol :icon_lol: .
Peace to you and I wish you well :beerchug: .
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but I am sure he'll be back.
There will be no comeback for the following reasons:
1 - A high volume of fans would be upset over the deception. And society views death hoaxes as highly unethical.
2 - The family name would be tarnished due to those ethics. And the family, or some of them, would have to be involved in the hoax. If people knew those tears were faked, not good.
3 - Too many legal ramifications/nightmares/backfirings would occur. And not necessarily for Michael but rather all those involved. With every hoax there are victims who might lash back. Or parties involved who try to save face via legal means.
4 - The main reason... the media, members of the law and medical sectors, members of family and corporations, etc are all involved in these Hollywood hoaxes. It would simply open up a huge can of worms with prominence on the media. If people started to learn that the mainstream media were in on these types of scams it would confirm the deceptive nature of the media and create a huge negative trickle effect towards/against the media. Once people figure out or learn how the illusion is carried out then people will easily be able to recognize the other illusions. Even if he came back with a logical sounding reason (or lie) and the media played along, too many people would be able to look beyond the reasons and start pondering over the other aspects... the funeral home, the courts, the hospital, the govt if he left the country, etc, etc... all part of scam.
He will never return. At least not as himself.
Hey again Anonymous. :icon_e_smile: I'm not going to comment on reasons 1,2 and 3 because I think those objections have been overcome through numerous discussions here. Your main reason for MJ not coming back - the media and folks involved - yes it would definitely open a huge can of worms and expose the media and its illusions - but that could be the point of coming back - the media LIES. It's probably time that everyone learns about the deceptiveness of the mainstream media and I think more and more clue into that everyday. I believe this is one of the reasons MJ faked his death - to expose these lies and what better way to do that then to come back to life in front of everyone's eyes?
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but I am sure he'll be back.
There will be no comeback for the following reasons:
1 - A high volume of fans would be upset over the deception. And society views death hoaxes as highly unethical.
2 - The family name would be tarnished due to those ethics. And the family, or some of them, would have to be involved in the hoax. If people knew those tears were faked, not good.
3 - Too many legal ramifications/nightmares/backfirings would occur. And not necessarily for Michael but rather all those involved. With every hoax there are victims who might lash back. Or parties involved who try to save face via legal means.
4 - The main reason... the media, members of the law and medical sectors, members of family and corporations, etc are all involved in these Hollywood hoaxes. It would simply open up a huge can of worms with prominence on the media. If people started to learn that the mainstream media were in on these types of scams it would confirm the deceptive nature of the media and create a huge negative trickle effect towards/against the media. Once people figure out or learn how the illusion is carried out then people will easily be able to recognize the other illusions. Even if he came back with a logical sounding reason (or lie) and the media played along, too many people would be able to look beyond the reasons and start pondering over the other aspects... the funeral home, the courts, the hospital, the govt if he left the country, etc, etc... all part of scam.
He will never return. At least not as himself.
Oh right, interesting. Aren't you the one claiming to be in the know? ROFLMFAO
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but I am sure he'll be back.
There will be no comeback for the following reasons:
1 - A high volume of fans would be upset over the deception. And society views death hoaxes as highly unethical.
2 - The family name would be tarnished due to those ethics. And the family, or some of them, would have to be involved in the hoax. If people knew those tears were faked, not good.
3 - Too many legal ramifications/nightmares/backfirings would occur. And not necessarily for Michael but rather all those involved. With every hoax there are victims who might lash back. Or parties involved who try to save face via legal means.
4 - The main reason... the media, members of the law and medical sectors, members of family and corporations, etc are all involved in these Hollywood hoaxes. It would simply open up a huge can of worms with prominence on the media. If people started to learn that the mainstream media were in on these types of scams it would confirm the deceptive nature of the media and create a huge negative trickle effect towards/against the media. Once people figure out or learn how the illusion is carried out then people will easily be able to recognize the other illusions. Even if he came back with a logical sounding reason (or lie) and the media played along, too many people would be able to look beyond the reasons and start pondering over the other aspects... the funeral home, the courts, the hospital, the govt if he left the country, etc, etc... all part of scam.
He will never return. At least not as himself.
Oh right, interesting. Aren't you the one claiming to be in the know? ROFLMFAO
With all due respect I think Michael would NEVER come back with a different identity because he likes the way he is "humanitarian, loving and caring, best singer and dancer (entertainer) etc" and I don't think he would like to get rid of it, what he wants is to expose evil behaviours and the hoax is based on that, I find it really weird what you are talking about, if your purpose is to mislead us and to muddy waters you won't get it we are here since long time ago and we all have a preconceived idea of MJ' death hoax that will be difficult to change, we are very stubborn my friend!! :icon_albino:
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How many ,,in de know,, did we have by now ::) the first tought i had was right/ next please
Al those people in the know did not ad anything but confusion i.m.o.
I dont laugh about it(sometimes i do :icon_e_biggrin:) but now i think it is more annoying.
Do they see us as the bunch of :icon_geek: what i talkt about before?? That we believe everything??
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He will never return. At least not as himself.
Welcome Anonymous,
Can you please explain more about that? Do you mean that his appearance has changed, or that his inner/soul has changed? Thanks...
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With all due respect, Anonymous, here we think very differently from you.
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I'm sorry, but when someone arrives here and their first words are:
Greetings. I remain anonymous. I am in the know and I will reveal some secrets.
their credibility goes straight out the window! Without that starter, with just someone's thoughts and opinions, we could have a good discussion. But that's not what they come here for is it?
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Hi everyone! As always I came to read the greatest at it's latest and saw my post had replies, I'm glad to see another beleiver but you say that your here to tell us secrets? This is very interesting even though its hard to believe your in the know, but if you really are how so? Anyhow happy new year everyone. I know somehow mj is coming back this year I just know it. :beerchug:
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Hi everyone! As always I came to read the greatest at it's latest and saw my post had replies, I'm glad to see another beleiver but you say that your here to tell us secrets? This is very interesting even though its hard to believe your in the know, but if you really are how so? Anyhow happy new year everyone. I know somehow mj is coming back this year I just know it. :beerchug:
Pffff.... another person that knows for sure something about MJ!! :icon_rolleyes: I could say I believe MJ will come back this year but I would never be able to say I KNOW he will come back this year, do you see the difference?
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Hi everyone! As always I came to read the greatest at it's latest and saw my post had replies, I'm glad to see another beleiver but you say that your here to tell us secrets? This is very interesting even though its hard to believe your in the know, but if you really are how so? Anyhow happy new year everyone. I know somehow mj is coming back this year I just know it. :beerchug:
Pffff.... another person that knows for sure something about MJ!! :icon_rolleyes: I could say I believe MJ will come back this year but I would never be able to say I KNOW he will come back this year, do you see the difference?
Actually we can't be sure and in the know about ANYTHING for 100%, that is Michael being alive or dead.
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With all due respect, people who forget to take their pills shouldn't post on the forum.
I've been reading what Anonimous wrote. This bunch of conspiracy theories presented as facts "without a need to explain" as you said several times in your post.
I'm sorry that i am not the 05% or the 1 in a 10 000 000 persons to find out about liers and death hoaxers... so i'll just keep swimming in my stupidness.
High selfestime, and no proof only leads me to paranoid conspiracy obsessed profil. Sorry to say.
Better be back with something to chew on.
But still with all due respect :icon_mrgreen:
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Hi everyone! As always I came to read the greatest at it's latest and saw my post had replies, I'm glad to see another beleiver but you say that your here to tell us secrets? This is very interesting even though its hard to believe your in the know, but if you really are how so? Anyhow happy new year everyone. I know somehow mj is coming back this year I just know it. :beerchug:
Pffff.... another person that knows for sure something about MJ!! :icon_rolleyes: I could say I believe MJ will come back this year but I would never be able to say I KNOW he will come back this year, do you see the difference?
And what makes you so sure that MJ will return this year? Are you in the know as well :icon_question: :icon_question: :icon_question:
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Hi everyone! As always I came to read the greatest at it's latest and saw my post had replies, I'm glad to see another beleiver but you say that your here to tell us secrets? This is very interesting even though its hard to believe your in the know, but if you really are how so? Anyhow happy new year everyone. I know somehow mj is coming back this year I just know it. :beerchug:
Pffff.... another person that knows for sure something about MJ!! :icon_rolleyes: I could say I believe MJ will come back this year but I would never be able to say I KNOW he will come back this year, do you see the difference?
Actually we can't be sure and in the know about ANYTHING for 100%, that is Michael being alive or dead.
With this you hit the nail my friend :beerchug: ,and you know why??? Because on INTERNET everyone of us is an ANONYMOUS :icon_lol: :suspect: :icon_rolleyes: :icon_albino: :icon_e_biggrin: !!!! The big problem is that people often forget that ;) . What's the difference if you have a "name" or not,when that name can be fake lol ?? I will tell you what the big Frigin' Difference is: None :icon_cool:. Everyone is in the same BOAT,and what Anon wrote about Hollywierd coincide with our belief that MJ is alive.Try and go outside and tell people that MJ is alive,and then you will see their reaction :icon_albino: . Both beliefs are considered crazy and both are considered conspiracy theory .
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Hi everyone! As always I came to read the greatest at it's latest and saw my post had replies, I'm glad to see another beleiver but you say that your here to tell us secrets? This is very interesting even though its hard to believe your in the know, but if you really are how so? Anyhow happy new year everyone. I know somehow mj is coming back this year I just know it. :beerchug:
Pffff.... another person that knows for sure something about MJ!! :icon_rolleyes: I could say I believe MJ will come back this year but I would never be able to say I KNOW he will come back this year, do you see the difference?
And what makes you so sure that MJ will return this year? Are you in the know as well :icon_question: :icon_question: :icon_question:
Because I'm not in the know I don't Know if MJ will come back this year however I believe he'll come back (means it's a possibility) after so many given clues.
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Hi everyone! As always I came to read the greatest at it's latest and saw my post had replies, I'm glad to see another beleiver but you say that your here to tell us secrets? This is very interesting even though its hard to believe your in the know, but if you really are how so? Anyhow happy new year everyone. I know somehow mj is coming back this year I just know it. :beerchug:
Pffff.... another person that knows for sure something about MJ!! :icon_rolleyes: I could say I believe MJ will come back this year but I would never be able to say I KNOW he will come back this year, do you see the difference?
And what makes you so sure that MJ will return this year? Are you in the know as well :icon_question: :icon_question: :icon_question:
Because I'm not in the know I don't if MJ will come back this year however I believe he'll come back (means it's a possibility) after so many given clues.
But do you KNOW Michael is alive or do you BELIEVE Michael is alive? That's a big difference too and when you are saying (like you usually do) that you KNOW he is alive, then you can't blaim someone else who says that he/she KNOWS somehow that Michael will be back this year. That's not fair, especially with the rolling eyes icon.
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Hi everyone! As always I came to read the greatest at it's latest and saw my post had replies, I'm glad to see another beleiver but you say that your here to tell us secrets? This is very interesting even though its hard to believe your in the know, but if you really are how so? Anyhow happy new year everyone. I know somehow mj is coming back this year I just know it. :beerchug:
Pffff.... another person that knows for sure something about MJ!! :icon_rolleyes: I could say I believe MJ will come back this year but I would never be able to say I KNOW he will come back this year, do you see the difference?
And what makes you so sure that MJ will return this year? Are you in the know as well :icon_question: :icon_question: :icon_question:
Because I'm not in the know I don't if MJ will come back this year however I believe he'll come back (means it's a possibility) after so many given clues.
But do you KNOW Michael is alive or do you BELIEVE Michael is alive? That's a big difference too and when you are saying (like you usually do) that you KNOW he is alive, then you can't blaim someone else who says that he/she KNOWS somehow that Michael will be back this year. That's not fair, especially with the rolling eyes icon.
Sorry @Do I wouldn't like to be rude to you but what the heck are you doing here if you don't believe Michael is alive. My answer to your question is "I KNOW MICHAEL IS ALIVE AND KICKING" and the no return in case it happened won't change that fact.
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But do you KNOW Michael is alive or do you BELIEVE Michael is alive? That's a big difference too and when you are saying (like you usually do) that you KNOW he is alive, then you can't blaim someone else who says that he/she KNOWS somehow that Michael will be back this year. That's not fair, especially with the rolling eyes icon. quote from Do
But come on Do ( with respekt)..It makes a difference if you strongly believe that Michael is alive, based on the evidence that there is no proof of his death.
Or you talk like your in the know first hand,like you drink tea with Michael himself every morning or so.
Thats how Anonymous sounded to me?
I also thougt(believed) that Michael was planning to come back for a long time..because i dont know why al the clues and the actions from the familie were good for :icon_e_confused: If Michael wanted to have a private life(and i dont blame him for that) Than al that happend until now makes no sense at all for me! there's a easier way to fake your death for a private life.
So i am now left wondering..What's the purpose of it all?
And i dont know what the intentions of the Familie were? If there is no come back(and i dont believe in one anymore) What were they thinking?
I am stil watching because i cant believe it ends this way,and i cant believe people lead us on this way?
But i dont know what else there is left to think.
This is my opinion afcourse
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@ Sweet.
No you cant say you know..you strongly believe.
There is no proof of his death but not of him being alive either imo. :smiley_abuv:
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Mattie I KNOW MJ is alive otherwise I wouldn't still be around I promise you that, but if I had to name you all the facts why I know he is alive I would never finish this post you just have to re-read some topics on this forum and add my personal experience in L.A that's all I have to say by now.
P.S Guys don't lose faith, Michael needs us NOW more than ever. BTW everybody is anonymous on the internet except the ones that show FACE and full name (RAQUEL TORMO on my twitter and Facebook accounts) as I do---> this is for Applehead250609.
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Hi everyone! As always I came to read the greatest at it's latest and saw my post had replies, I'm glad to see another beleiver but you say that your here to tell us secrets? This is very interesting even though its hard to believe your in the know, but if you really are how so? Anyhow happy new year everyone. I know somehow mj is coming back this year I just know it. :beerchug:
Pffff.... another person that knows for sure something about MJ!! :icon_rolleyes: I could say I believe MJ will come back this year but I would never be able to say I KNOW he will come back this year, do you see the difference?
And what makes you so sure that MJ will return this year? Are you in the know as well :icon_question: :icon_question: :icon_question:
Because I'm not in the know I don't if MJ will come back this year however I believe he'll come back (means it's a possibility) after so many given clues.
But do you KNOW Michael is alive or do you BELIEVE Michael is alive? That's a big difference too and when you are saying (like you usually do) that you KNOW he is alive, then you can't blaim someone else who says that he/she KNOWS somehow that Michael will be back this year. That's not fair, especially with the rolling eyes icon.
Sorry @Do I wouldn't like to be rude to you but what the heck are you doing here if you don't believe Michael is alive. My answer to your question is "I KNOW MICHAEL IS ALIVE AND KICKING" and the no return in case it happened won't change that fact.
I'm here because I used to think that Michael was alive and was teaching everyone a lesson, now I think he might be alive but that the hoax is not his (anymore). And I'm also realistic enough to keep in mind that we could be wrong (although Dave Dave still is the strongest 'evidence' for the 'alive' scenario) and that he did die under circumstances we will NEVER know.
But that was not my point with my previous post to you, I just found your responce to TypeOnegative strange, because you admit you are a 'knower' yourself too. Then why the pfffff and the rolling eyes?
So indeed no need to be rude.
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But do you KNOW Michael is alive or do you BELIEVE Michael is alive? That's a big difference too and when you are saying (like you usually do) that you KNOW he is alive, then you can't blaim someone else who says that he/she KNOWS somehow that Michael will be back this year. That's not fair, especially with the rolling eyes icon. quote from Do
But come on Do ( with respekt)..It makes a difference if you strongly believe that Michael is alive, based on the evidence that there is no proof of his death.
Or you talk like your in the know first hand,like you drink tea with Michael himself every morning or so.
Thats how Anonymous sounded to me?
Hi Mattie, I was not talking about Anonymous to Sweet, but her answer to a post from TypOnegative. TypOnegative didn't claim he/she was 'in the know' about Michael like Anonymous, but was just saying that he/she somehow knew that Michael will be back this year (which sounded to me like a big positive WISH!)
This is the quote I was talking about:
Hi everyone! As always I came to read the greatest at it's latest and saw my post had replies, I'm glad to see another beleiver but you say that your here to tell us secrets? This is very interesting even though its hard to believe your in the know, but if you really are how so? Anyhow happy new year everyone. I know somehow mj is coming back this year I just know it. :beerchug:
Pffff.... another person that knows for sure something about MJ!! :icon_rolleyes: I could say I believe MJ will come back this year but I would never be able to say I KNOW he will come back this year, do you see the difference?
But we are not here to argue, so let's move on with more important matters!
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Mattie I KNOW MJ is alive otherwise I wouldn't still be around I promise you that, but if I had to name you all the facts why I know he is alive I would never finish this post you just have to re-read some topics on this forum and add my personal experience in L.A that's all I have to say by now.
I'd like to add one more thing:
I'm reading here since september 2009 (MJKit) and I believe Mattie also so we read many, many topics.
What were your experiences (I know you talked about it, you were at the trial or hearings) that CONVINCED you he is alive and kicking?
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O than i misunderstood Do.Sorry
i dont want to argue either :smiley-vault-misc-150:
@ Sweet.
I also think/believe Michael is alive..but i cant say it for sure.
Because there is no proof of it,how can i say i know?
And to be honnest,the way it is going i dont know anything anymore.
I dont understand the purpose of it if it keeps on going like this.
And yes i am here from day one and i read everything..also al the TS postings.
That is why i dont get any of it anymore??
But i wish i had a bit of your confidence left,i would feel better about it!
I dont want to hurt you or anyone, if i did sorry i just speak my mind.
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WELCOME :th_bravo:
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But do you KNOW Michael is alive or do you BELIEVE Michael is alive? That's a big difference too and when you are saying (like you usually do) that you KNOW he is alive, then you can't blaim someone else who says that he/she KNOWS somehow that Michael will be back this year. That's not fair, especially with the rolling eyes icon. quote from Do
But come on Do ( with respekt)..It makes a difference if you strongly believe that Michael is alive, based on the evidence that there is no proof of his death.
Or you talk like your in the know first hand,like you drink tea with Michael himself every morning or so.
Thats how Anonymous sounded to me?
I also thougt(believed) that Michael was planning to come back for a long time..because i dont know why al the clues and the actions from the familie were good for :icon_e_confused: If Michael wanted to have a private life(and i dont blame him for that) Than al that happend until now makes no sense at all for me! there's a easier way to fake your death for a private life.
So i am now left wondering..What's the purpose of it all?
And i dont know what the intentions of the Familie were? If there is no come back(and i dont believe in one anymore) What were they thinking?
I am stil watching because i cant believe it ends this way,and i cant believe people lead us on this way?
But i dont know what else there is left to think.
This is my opinion afcourse
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O than i misunderstood Do.Sorry
i dont want to argue either :smiley-vault-misc-150:
@ Sweet.
I also think/believe Michael is alive..but i cant say it for sure.
Because there is no proof of it,how can i say i know?
And to be honnest,the way it is going i dont know anything anymore.
I dont understand the purpose of it if it keeps on going like this.
And yes i am here from day one and i read everything..also al the TS postings.
That is why i dont get any of it anymore??
But i wish i had a bit of your confidence left,i would feel better about it!
I dont want to hurt you or anyone, if i did sorry i just speak my mind.
:bearhug: don't be sorry, wij waren toch niet aan het ruziemaken! Xx
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OMG :icon_e_surprised:
I never thought that my question to sweetsunset would trigger all this!! I was only joking because everyone was claiming lately that they know about MJ's come back especially Anonymous! It seems that we are all in the know after all ! :LolLolLolLol:
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O than i misunderstood Do.Sorry
i dont want to argue either :smiley-vault-misc-150:
@ Sweet.
I also think/believe Michael is alive..but i cant say it for sure.
Because there is no proof of it,how can i say i know?
And to be honnest,the way it is going i dont know anything anymore.
I dont understand the purpose of it if it keeps on going like this.
And yes i am here from day one and i read everything..also al the TS postings.
That is why i dont get any of it anymore??
But i wish i had a bit of your confidence left,i would feel better about it!
I dont want to hurt you or anyone, if i did sorry i just speak my mind.
:bearhug: don't be sorry, wij waren toch niet aan het ruziemaken!
Hahaha Ik had niet eens in de gaten dat je Nederlands was :icon_e_geek: :icon_lol:
Ik moet me ook zo concentreren om een beetje begrijpelijk over te komen in het Engels.
Maar ik denk dat wij toch een beetje gelijk denken :beerchug:
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OMG :icon_e_surprised:
I never thought that my question to sweetsunset would trigger all this!! I was only joking because everyone was claiming lately that they know about MJ's come back especially Anonymous!It seems that we are all in the know after all ! ! :LolLolLolLol:
I am not :Pulling_hair: Please tel me al about it, desperate by now :bowdown: :icon_e_biggrin:
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O than i misunderstood Do.Sorry
i dont want to argue either :smiley-vault-misc-150:
@ Sweet.
I also think/believe Michael is alive..but i cant say it for sure.
Because there is no proof of it,how can i say i know?
And to be honnest,the way it is going i dont know anything anymore.
I dont understand the purpose of it if it keeps on going like this.
And yes i am here from day one and i read everything..also al the TS postings.
That is why i dont get any of it anymore??
But i wish i had a bit of your confidence left,i would feel better about it!
I dont want to hurt you or anyone, if i did sorry i just speak my mind.
:bearhug: don't be sorry, wij waren toch niet aan het ruziemaken!
Hahaha Ik had niet eens in de gaten dat je Nederlands was :icon_e_geek: :icon_lol:
Ik moet me ook zo concentreren om een beetje begrijpelijk over te komen in het Engels.
Maar ik denk dat wij toch een beetje gelijk denken :beerchug:
Heee landgenote, please don't worry about your english, you're perfectly understandable! I'm struggling too most of the time! For sure we think alike, I don't understand all of this anymore either, but I keep coming back/am still watching because, just like you, I believe there's more to come. Not sure it will be positive though :icon_e_sad:
On a positive note: I don't know where you live in Holland, but do you know there will be an European Jackson Event in Holland on April 20 in Reusel. I read about it on MJJcommunity.com.
Here's the link http://jacksonevent.com
I'm still not sure if I'm going to go, I don't know if I'll enjoy such an event, not knowing what happened to Michael.
But maybe there are European members over here who like to meet each other. That would be great!!
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I live in Zwolle.
That is 2 a 3 hours drive to Reusel i think.
But Reusel of al places, i made friends there 4 years ago.
Last year i visit them..so i know were to stay. :icon_razz:
But before i never heard of the place.
I wil looke in to the link,if it is something for me?? i am already an oldie.
vieuw years older than Michael Jackson.
But thank you for the link.
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OMG :icon_e_surprised:
I never thought that my question to sweetsunset would trigger all this!! I was only joking because everyone was claiming lately that they know about MJ's come back especially Anonymous! It seems that we are all in the know after all ! :LolLolLolLol:
Actually I won't answer anybody else I'm done with it, if people is losing faith they'd better give up than spread negativity all over, it's beginning to be an ordeal for me reading on the forum now instead of a joy like it used to be.
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OMG :icon_e_surprised:
I never thought that my question to sweetsunset would trigger all this!! I was only joking because everyone was claiming lately that they know about MJ's come back especially Anonymous! It seems that we are all in the know after all ! :LolLolLolLol:
Actually I won't answer anybody else I'm done with it, if people is losing faith they'd better give up than spread negativity all over, it's beginning to be an ordeal for me reading on the forum now instead of a joy like it used to be.
OMG are you mad at me? I really didn't mean to hurt you! It was just a funny question. I'm really sorry :smiley-vault-misc-150:
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OMG :icon_e_surprised:
I never thought that my question to sweetsunset would trigger all this!! I was only joking because everyone was claiming lately that they know about MJ's come back especially Anonymous! It seems that we are all in the know after all ! :LolLolLolLol:
Actually I won't answer anybody else I'm done with it, if people is losing faith they'd better give up than spread negativity all over, it's beginning to be an ordeal for me reading on the forum now instead of a joy like it used to be.
Or it is me diggyon?
Hello Sweet.
Please dont take it so serious.
I told you i wish i had your faith,but wen i say i do i lie.
I really believe Michael is alive, i only dont know what to think of the rest anymore.
Like i said i dont want to hurt anybody,especially you.
Maybe it is silent here to long?
If i write down what i think i cant be positive of it al. maybe i talk to much lately :icon_e_smile:,and it is better i am going in the watching mode again.
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OMG :icon_e_surprised:
I never thought that my question to sweetsunset would trigger all this!! I was only joking because everyone was claiming lately that they know about MJ's come back especially Anonymous! It seems that we are all in the know after all ! :LolLolLolLol:
Actually I won't answer anybody else I'm done with it, if people is losing faith they'd better give up than spread negativity all over, it's beginning to be an ordeal for me reading on the forum now instead of a joy like it used to be.
OMG are you mad at me? I really didn't mean to hurt you! It was just a funny question. I'm really sorry :smiley-vault-misc-150:
Oh no Diggy I'm not mad at you or anybody else I'm just saying I won't answer if I believe or know if MJ is alive or dead if will come back or not, etc.. it will remain inside myself I lately feel the most nuts of all.
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OMG :icon_e_surprised:
I never thought that my question to sweetsunset would trigger all this!! I was only joking because everyone was claiming lately that they know about MJ's come back especially Anonymous! It seems that we are all in the know after all ! :LolLolLolLol:
Actually I won't answer anybody else I'm done with it, if people is losing faith they'd better give up than spread negativity all over, it's beginning to be an ordeal for me reading on the forum now instead of a joy like it used to be.
Or it is me diggyon?
Hello Sweet.
Please dont take it so serious.
I told you i wish i had your faith,but wen i say i do i lie.
I really believe Michael is alive, i only dont know what to think of the rest anymore.
Like i said i dont want to hurt anybody,especially you.
Maybe it is silent here to long?
If i write down what i think i cant be positive of it al. maybe i talk to much lately :icon_e_smile:,and it is better i am going in the watching mode again.
It's ok I still love you! :icon_lol:
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Mattie I KNOW MJ is alive otherwise I wouldn't still be around I promise you that, but if I had to name you all the facts why I know he is alive I would never finish this post you just have to re-read some topics on this forum and add my personal experience in L.A that's all I have to say by now.
P.S Guys don't lose faith, Michael needs us NOW more than ever. BTW everybody is anonymous on the internet except the ones that show FACE and full name (RAQUEL TORMO on my twitter and Facebook accounts) as I do---> this is for Applehead250609.
Sweet, I will not bother you, but I really want to know, what was your experience in L. A.? You always were a woman with strong convictions, but when you say you "know" gives me the impression that you know more than what you say.
You know we all believe, we presume, we suspect that MJ is alive, but no one can really say. :bearhug:
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Since this has turned into a chat thread; I too, wish you would write down your experiences at court in LA last fall, @sweetsunset. I know you have mentioned it here n there but I mean like a new topic where it is all together. I think it would be useful.
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Same here Sweet! Please don't be sad, I was very triggered by your knowing, I just couldn't understand your reaction to this other member. It wasn't my intention AT ALL to make you feel 'nuts' (like you said). I think we are all tired of waiting and when someone says she KNOWS he is alive (based on your personal experiences) we (for sure!) want to know how you know this!
I was in LA too last summer, we may have seen eachother actually, but I was not at the courthouse. I did go to Carolwood drive and Neverland, and I felt soooo sad, seeing all the pictures, flowers, paintings and notes on the gate. So please, if you know something we don't, please share!!! :bearhug:
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@sweetsunset
Now you're trapped :icon_lol:
So could you please tell us what you saw in LA?
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My believe/faith is dropped to zero these day's.
But then there is a Deliveryman on this topic http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24091.25/topicseen.html
I dont know :icon_e_surprised: but somehow :suspect: he makes more sense to me then other people,,in the know,,
He is talking about a person i was wondering about to.
So i get more confused now thinking could it be?
So please Sweet if you can help.
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My believe/faith is dropped to zero these day's.
But then there is a Deliveryman on this topic http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24091.25/topicseen.html
I dont know :icon_e_surprised: but somehow :suspect: he makes more sense to me then other people,,in the know,,
He is talking about a person i was wondering about to.
So i get more confused now thinking could it be?
So please Sweet if you can help.
Take my advise and never suspect anyone because the minute you start to suspect a certain member then things will entirely change and you will never be able to act normal again. Plus: you might be wrong. So just don't and keep hoaxing.
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Since this has turned into a chat thread; I too, wish you would write down your experiences at court in LA last fall, @sweetsunset. I know you have mentioned it here n there but I mean like a new topic where it is all together. I think it would be useful.
Bec I'm sorry but can't do, it's the same like when I posted the courtroom door pic and I shouldn't have done it, my experience was not only at court.
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Since this has turned into a chat thread; I too, wish you would write down your experiences at court in LA last fall, @sweetsunset. I know you have mentioned it here n there but I mean like a new topic where it is all together. I think it would be useful.
Bec I'm sorry but can't do, it's the same like when I posted the courtroom door pic and I shouldn't have done it, my experience was not only at court.
The courthouse pic was against the law only because it's clearly posted in all US courthouses no pics. That doesn't apply to writing about your experiences but suit yourself if that's how you're going to be about it.
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My believe/faith is dropped to zero these day's.
But then there is a Deliveryman on this topic http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24091.25/topicseen.html
I dont know :icon_e_surprised: but somehow :suspect: he makes more sense to me then other people,,in the know,,
He is talking about a person i was wondering about to.
So i get more confused now thinking could it be?
So please Sweet if you can help.
Take my advise and never suspect anyone because the minute you start to suspect a certain member then things will entirely change and you will never be able to act normal again. Plus: you might be wrong. So just don't and keep hoaxing.
You are right offcourse,i know it ..but now and then i wonder about people.
I dont think that they are MJ , but knowing things we dont.
But it was not mend to be a verry serious post..i am not really so desperate ;D
I am an to much down to earth person for that.
What i really mend and be serious about is , that i dont know what to think of it al by now.
And that my believe in a come back is zero.
But i looke arround stil,because like i said before..i cant believe it ends like this.
So no worry,
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What if MJ pops up at the WMA's next May 27 2014 in Montecarlo??
5 + 2 + 7 + 2 + 1 + 4 = 21!! YAYAYAYAYAYAY!!! ;D
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What if MJ pops up at the WMA's next May 27 2014 in Montecarlo??
5 + 2 + 7 + 2 + 1 + 4 = 21!! YAYAYAYAYAYAY!!! ;D
Interesting date :D I just can't imagine him pop up in front of so many people telling them he is still alive. I can't imagine how a come back would be like!
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What if MJ pops up at the WMA's next May 27 2014 in Montecarlo??
5 + 2 + 7 + 2 + 1 + 4 = 21!! YAYAYAYAYAYAY!!! ;D
Sweet I'll write a PM
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