Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: GodhaschosenMJ on November 13, 2013, 01:41:24 PM
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Hey Hoax family, long time no be here!! Go check out new redirect today, somethings up!! Go to thisisalsoit.com for the newbies!
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Ok .... redirecting to TMZ. No particular article, just the site in general.
BUT ... scrolling down there's this article (already posted by Sweetangel in TMZ thread): http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/13/katherine-jackson-appeals-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-verdict/
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This article:
http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/13/andy-kaufman-alive-daughter-video-dead/
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Thanks GodhaschosenMJ for pointing that out on twitter. I think this is the reason for this re-direct.
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Lol, Andrea - I just checked TIAI again and nearly fell off my chair when that Andy Kaufman article appeared!
"Well except for the name and a few other changes, you could talk about MJ, the story's the same one" (Credit to Neil Diamond and his brilliant lyrics there!)
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Hmm seems like the article is testing the waters. A one question survey with info provided if people believe AK's alive...very efficent.
Even with Corey's story of bringing up and questioning MJ's death...
PIECE BY PIECE
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Michael you better hurry up before more people start raising from the dead.
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Ok .... redirecting to TMZ. No particular article, just the site in general.
BUT ... scrolling down there's this article (already posted by Sweetangel in TMZ thread): http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/13/katherine-jackson-appeals-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-verdict/
Very interesting but now it go directly to the Andy Kaufman story :ghsdf:
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Very interesting but now it go directly to the Andy Kaufman story
No, it doesn't, it's still directing to TMZ.com (without a specific article added to the url) - it's just that the Andy Kaufman story is still the latest/top article on the site.
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I am so excited. This article is the topic of discussion on ATS http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread982594/pg1 already. I was going to post to the MJ forum and decided to check out the redirect. :michael-jackson:
I then checked the David Icke forum and find that the BBC has an article on it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24939133 You can't get much more mainstream than that.
I've been suspicious that Michael has infiltrated the BBC, but this nails it for me. Let the revelation continue!!!! :abouttime:
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Wow, this post made me really happy!
Maybe Paris will tweet/scream/reveal one day, "My father is alive"
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Wow, this post made me really happy!
Maybe Paris will tweet/scream/reveal one day, "My father is alive"
Good one. I suspect that the sudden appearance of Andy's daughter is fake. That being said, who would orchestrate such a hoax without Andy's input if not outright direction?
So could this be a subtle message, a sort of blue print for the final reveal? It's often been suggested that Paris would be the source of the reveal. A tweet would have the world atwitter while he plays with us for awhile. Who knows, but I'm beyond excited at this point.
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Wow, this post made me really happy!
Maybe Paris will tweet/scream/reveal one day, "My father is alive"
Good one. I suspect that the sudden appearance of Andy's daughter is fake. That being said, who would orchestrate such a hoax without Andy's input if not outright direction?
So could this be a subtle message, a sort of blue print for
he final reveal? It's often been suggested that Paris would be the source of the reveal. A tweet would have the world atwitter while he plays with us for awhile. Who knows, but I'm beyond excited at this point.
I lean more to think that the truth might be told next Nov 24th while screening TII.
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I lean more to think that the truth might be told next Nov 24th while screening TII.
November 24th is my birthday. Well, that would be a nice present for sure ;D.
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Andy's brother MICHAEL calls hoax!
Andy's brother now claims he is a victim of a hoax and that the actress who played the daughter is 'not acting alone.' He denied prior reports that he had hired her to play the part.
So who could be behind the hoax? Why is his brother so nonchalant about such a bad joke on a dead brother? He was at his brother's deathbed, so how could he have doubts?
The article, but especially the video, have Andy's signature all over them. If he's not behind it he should have been. I just can't stop laffing. :LolLolLolLol:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/14/showbiz/andy-kaufman-alive-or-not/
The Internet erupted with the buzz after Kaufman's brother read a letter purportedly from Andy at a comedy club on Monday night and introduced a 24-year-old woman as his brother's daughter.
But almost as quickly as reports surfaced Thursday, the news seemed to fizzle, with Michael Kaufman telling CNN's "The Lead with Jake Tapper" that he believes he's the victim of a hoax.
"Now that it's Thursday, not Monday anymore, I believe I am part of a hoax," Kaufman said in a bizarre, rambling interview where he spoke in a monotone not unlike his brother.
"I don't believe she's acting on her own, though," Kaufman said of the woman he introduced Monday night. "But, you know, that's all I know."
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Omg that's totally Andy Kaufman's act. Omg he's totally alive. Wow that's cool!
Too bad MJ wasn't first :Crash:
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that IS very cool. can't stop grinning. :icon_e_biggrin:
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Today's redirect to TMZ is more about Andy.
http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/15/andy-kaufman-girlfriend-lynne-margulies-death-hoax/
He's DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD....I watched him die.
Didn't TMZ say yesterday there was no death certificate, and now they produce one from on line? However, only the middle initial is given.
I found this comment of hers a bit odd as well. [quoteShe says, "I was in the hospital room. I was there. They would have had to switch bodies."[/quote]
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And another MJ related TMZ article: http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/15/michael-jackson-insurance-music-drug-use-aersosmith-britney-spears-whitney-houston/
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Sorry posted this in the other Andy topic too... http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/15/andy-kaufman-daughter-hoax-video/
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Hmm seems like the article is testing the waters. A one question survey with info provided if people believe AK's alive...very efficent.
Even with Corey's story of bringing up and questioning MJ's death...
PIECE BY PIECE
I agree, declare a hoax, it has become very popular lately, not whether it is good or not, maybe if MJ is revealed, everyone will say "MJ really did"
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Please Mr TIAI, would you consider changing your redirect? I'm sick to death of being taken to TMZ, with their crappy articles about 'celebrities' I've never even heard of! Alternatively, I could just stop checking TIAI I suppose!
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Wow, this post made me really happy!
Maybe Paris will tweet/scream/reveal one day, "My father is alive"
Good one. I suspect that the sudden appearance of Andy's daughter is fake. That being said, who would orchestrate such a hoax without Andy's input if not outright direction?
So could this be a subtle message, a sort of blue print for
he final reveal? It's often been suggested that Paris would be the source of the reveal. A tweet would have the world atwitter while he plays with us for awhile. Who knows, but I'm beyond excited at this point.
I lean more to think that the truth might be told next Nov 24th while screening TII.
Yeah, I think the clues are going into rapid-fire, now, and I'm watching the 25th. Not to be overly off topic...but, as there are no coincidences...and 50 years ago, on Nov. 23, Lee Harvey Oswald, OF ALL PEOPLE, was quoted to say, "This Is It....", the next most :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: significant day, in my book, would be November 25th for TRUTH to show itself SOME :affraid: how! :icon_albino: :michael-jackson: :icon_bounce:
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Yeah, I think the clues are going into rapid-fire, now,
To say this, you must think that MJ is behind all these so-called clues, otherwise they are not 'clues' to anything at all, just random, unconnected incidents. So, is that what you are saying: that MJ is behind everything?! Do you really think that?
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Lol, Andrea - I just checked TIAI again and nearly fell off my chair when that Andy Kaufman article appeared!
"Well except for the name and a few other changes, you could talk about MJ, the story's the same one" (Credit to Neil Diamond and his brilliant lyrics there!)
Funny song quote! :icon_e_biggrin:
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Wow, this post made me really happy!
Maybe Paris will tweet/scream/reveal one day, "My father is alive"
Good one. I suspect that the sudden appearance of Andy's daughter is fake. That being said, who would orchestrate such a hoax without Andy's input if not outright direction?
So could this be a subtle message, a sort of blue print for
he final reveal? It's often been suggested that Paris would be the source of the reveal. A tweet would have the world atwitter while he plays with us for awhile. Who knows, but I'm beyond excited at this point.
I lean more to think that the truth might be told next Nov 24th while screening TII.
Yeah, I think the clues are going into rapid-fire, now, and I'm watching the 25th. Not to be overly off topic...but, as there are no coincidences...and 50 years ago, on Nov. 23, Lee Harvey Oswald, OF ALL PEOPLE, was quoted to say, "This Is It....", the next most :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: significant day, in my book, would be November 25th for TRUTH to show itself SOME :affraid: how! :icon_albino: :michael-jackson: :icon_bounce:
Hey Her...when did he say that? Could you PM me a link :)
@marumjj, I've noticed that. Especially in a lot in tv shows and movies, it's a very common theme.
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Wow, this post made me really happy!
Maybe Paris will tweet/scream/reveal one day, "My father is alive"
Good one. I suspect that the sudden appearance of Andy's daughter is fake. That being said, who would orchestrate such a hoax without Andy's input if not outright direction?
So could this be a subtle message, a sort of blue print for
he final reveal? It's often been suggested that Paris would be the source of the reveal. A tweet would have the world atwitter while he plays with us for awhile. Who knows, but I'm beyond excited at this point.
I lean more to think that the truth might be told next Nov 24th while screening TII.
Yeah, I think the clues are going into rapid-fire, now, and I'm watching the 25th. Not to be overly off topic...but, as there are no coincidences...and 50 years ago, on Nov. 23, Lee Harvey Oswald, OF ALL PEOPLE, was quoted to say, "This Is It....", the next most :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: significant day, in my book, would be November 25th for TRUTH to show itself SOME :affraid: how! :icon_albino: :michael-jackson: :icon_bounce:
Definetely would like to see that quote from Lee Harvey. After all the alleged assassination of JFK is what started this all. And 50 seems like a significant number. The JFK incident is referenced quite a bit on the infamous map from the Dark Knight Rises. Several of the streets in Strike Zone 5 are Kennedy references - Lee, Harvey, for example.
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Wow, this post made me really happy!
Maybe Paris will tweet/scream/reveal one day, "My father is alive"
Good one. I suspect that the sudden appearance of Andy's daughter is fake. That being said, who would orchestrate such a hoax without Andy's input if not outright direction?
So could this be a subtle message, a sort of blue print for
he final reveal? It's often been suggested that Paris would be the source of the reveal. A tweet would have the world atwitter while he plays with us for awhile. Who knows, but I'm beyond excited at this point.
I lean more to think that the truth might be told next Nov 24th while screening TII.
Yeah, I think the clues are going into rapid-fire, now, and I'm watching the 25th. Not to be overly off topic...but, as there are no coincidences...and 50 years ago, on Nov. 23, Lee Harvey Oswald, OF ALL PEOPLE, was quoted to say, "This Is It....", the next most :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: significant day, in my book, would be November 25th for TRUTH to show itself SOME :affraid: how! :icon_albino: :michael-jackson: :icon_bounce:
Definetely would like to see that quote from Lee Harvey. After all the alleged assassination of JFK is what started this all. And 50 seems like a significant number. The JFK incident is referenced quite a bit on the infamous map from the Dark Knight Rises. Several of the streets in Strike Zone 5 are Kennedy references - Lee, Harvey, for example.
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html (http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html)
1:45 P.M. Arrest at the Texas Theater
"This is it" or "Well, it's all over now." Oswald arrested. (Patrolman M. N. McDonald heard these remarks. Other officers who were at the scene did not hear them.) "I don't know why you are treating me like this. The only thing I have done is carry a pistol into a movie. . . . I don't see why you handcuffed me. . . . Why should I hide my face? I haven't done anything to be ashamed of. . . . I want a lawyer. . . . I am not resisting arrest. . . . I didn't kill anybody. . . . I haven't shot anybody. . . . I protest this police brutality. . . . I fought back there, but I know I wasn't supposed to be carrying a gun. . . . What is this all about?"
Very clever girl you are Its Her :icon_geek: :icon_cool: .Nice to see you and nice to hear about Kennedy suppose assassination again .Oliver Store recently told "the story" once again ;)......but it won't be the last time,for sure lol :icon_lol: .
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ-cnJxAFXU[/youtube]
Well,all I have to say is that if you don't like the Reality THEY :TongueOutSmiley: are trying to sell you .......MAKE YOUR OWN REALITY :icon_cool: ,it's safer and you will help to save valuable time :icon_e_biggrin:.Time that otherwise you'll lose, asking yourself: was it real, what actually happened, who's actually the real killer, it's a conspiracy, etc :D .
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Applehead. You make reference to the 'supposed' assassination and ask the question 'was it real.?' I am glad you did! Until very recently, this was not a question I asked myself, nor are there many out there - even those who have watched every video and every book on the matter - who would question it. As unbelievable as it may seem, I think he hoaxed his death. Having gained a discerning eye from 4 years on this forum, it took little time for me to be convinced.
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Applehead. You make reference to the 'supposed' assassination and ask the question 'was it real.?' I am glad you did! Until very recently, this was not a question I asked myself, nor are there many out there - even those who have watched every video and every book on the matter - who would question it. As unbelievable as it may seem, I think he hoaxed his death. Having gained a discerning eye from 4 years on this forum, it took little time for me to be convinced.
Thank you Its Her for bringing this interesting story to the forum. Last night I was watching a program dedicated to the 50 years of President Kennedy's death and one of those who were developing the theme said that the told story has nothing to do with reality and I have to confess that I automatically thought this could be a hoax or at least they pointed Lee Harvey to be the criminal because THEY didn't want to say the truth or at least they couldn't say the truth furthermore I found the 50 years very significant too. The same as Marilyn Monroe's death I am pretty sure she was murdered because she had an affair with President Kennedy. Media has always manipulated the information and has misled us, hope MJ's hoax pulls out many murky issues.
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Yeah, I think the clues are going into rapid-fire, now,
To say this, you must think that MJ is behind all these so-called clues, otherwise they are not 'clues' to anything at all, just random, unconnected incidents. So, is that what you are saying: that MJ is behind everything?! Do you really think that?
Hi Curls. :icon_e_smile: No, I don't think MJ is behind everything---just those things which he's planned to be behind. Hoax worthy tie-ins. I never thought about Andy Kaufman being mixed up in this, and I THINK this is just some more stirring of the Hoax pot, keeping hoaxy things and faked deaths on the desktops of public consciousness (like all those faked death movies on the Lifetime network! ha ha), but I do believe that there have been other FAKED deaths, before and after Michael Jackson's, which ARE tied to this somehow and I believe MJ is going to come back with an entourage we won't beLIEve!! :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised: There is strength in numbers, and I believe it is safer and will be received better historically, if MJ doesn't grandstand this like some kind of winged religious figure. Even his haters will be crying shocked tears of delight and JOY, when he comes "back" with certain people by his side, or somehow as a package deal by virtue of his Hoax. I have had myself a list for some time...but I have told people who just think I am wacko too, so I am not saying here... Just hide and WATCH. :o
I think MJ has wanted to pull a Ginormus rabbit like THIS out of his hat since his teens but the details didn't come together until after Thriller became such a behemoth, and he went mad with inspiration! O. M. G.!!! I think he has more contacts than any politician or gangster. :michael_jackson-1135: He has more friends than the Pope has Catholics. The far reaching charms and arms of MJ can get almost anybody to help him do anything, even hoax the world, and MAKE people see some Truth that has been hidden, which is very important to him. I don't think he is totally playing; he's opening eyes and teaching, WHILE entertaining. And... he has been sitting on something close to his heart for years, and it is B.I.G.
I thought it was a couple of different things (some things others have mentioned, like evangelizing, or exposing the media once and for all as a lie machine, or inspiring others to get off their "blessed assurance" and do something practical for Love, or protecting people from legalized drug abuse by quacks and also somehow bringing out some historical truth FROM behind all the lies we've learned in school) and now I am beginning to think it is all of the things I thought! :icon_eek: :bowdown: I don't know HOW :icon_exclaim: he could be doing all this, possibly by just turning people loose with projects they've been itching to broadcast, but he certainly has the bucks, the curiosity, the resources and the complete GUTS! All of this SEEMS to me to be things that someone with his drive and conscience for what's right WOULD do in the world, to tie up an already stellar career legacy with a neat, sparkly heroic bow, ALL for Love!
:icon_e_confused: I could be just going overboard with expectation (or hoax coach fumes :icon_lol:) :icon_redface: , because he HAS a tendency to think bigger than what most consider big...but there's no reason to stop now, right? Didn't he say, ♫ Don't stop til you get enough ♫ ? If I'm ALL wrong about this, it was so inspiring THINKING about its possibilities! :icon_bounce: And I've learned some things I NEVER knew just this last leg of the Hoax, so maybe just expecting to learn has made me watchful, whether MJ had anything to do with the actual "lessons" or not. He HAS changed the world. He has refocused people. If I am remotely correct about any of this it will be 'enough', and I'll stop overexpecting, but I DO think MJ has his hands juggling many pies in the world.... ;) ;) ;)
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Great post, Its her. But how are they all going to fit on one stage? ;D
I totally agree that Michael is not acting alone, but practically speaking, I am not so sure he is behind everything. After all, the faked JFK assassination happened when he was only 5! And while Michael is a genius, directing a 50 year hoax just ain't as easy as A, B C.
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Great post, Its her. But how are they all going to fit on one stage? ;D
I totally agree that Michael is not acting alone, but practically speaking, I am not so sure he is behind everything. After all, the faked JFK assassination happened when he was only 5! And while Michael is a genius, directing a 50 year hoax just ain't as easy as A, B C.
Do you think Kennedy is alive?
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Great post, Its her. But how are they all going to fit on one stage? ;D
I totally agree that Michael is not acting alone, but practically speaking, I am not so sure he is behind everything. After all, the faked JFK assassination happened when he was only 5! And while Michael is a genius, directing a 50 year hoax just ain't as easy as A, B C.
Do you think Kennedy is alive?
??? :confused:
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although I'm unfamiliar with Andy Kaufman and his celebrity persona, I do think the magnitude of Michael's death hoax would eclipse Andy substantially. regardless of whether andy kaufman was the first to materialize after supposedly meeting his demise in 1984, Nothing could equate to michael's return. He was regarded as one of the most recognizable individuals on the planet. Michael will most likely spark hysteria and pandemonium following his return considering the life that he has lived. To drift away into solitude and reclusiveness while simultaneously fooling the world into thinking he was really dead, considering how much popularity he had, would easily surpass andy's hoax just because of michael's aura. everybody knew him. He was as popular as JESUS. there isn't a soul in a world who wouldn't able to recognize him if you were to hold up a picture to a stranger.
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So this daughter of Andy is actually an actress with the name of Alexandra Tatarsky....
http://www.classicalite.com/articles/3948/20131119/andy-kaufman-daughter-death-hoax-wwe-wrestlemania-30-match-jerry-lawler-canceled.htm
Andy Kaufman Daughter Death Hoax Revealed, WWE WrestleMania 30 Match with Jerry Lawler Canceled [UPDATE]
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WWE Superstar Jerry Lawler. (Photo : Creative Commons/David Seto)
Andy Kaufman spent his whole life pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes. It seems the hoaxer's legacy lives on, even after his supposed death. Recently, a woman claiming to be Kaufman's daughter shocked the world, when she revealed that Andy was alive and well. Andy’s old friend, WWE superstar Jerry "The King" Lawler, even challenged his former rival to a Wrestlemania grudge-match, from beyond the grave. However, the woman claiming to be Kaufman's kid has since been revealed as an actress.
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Recently, a woman claiming to be Andy Kaufman’s daughter came forward to reveal that he was actually alive. The young woman crashed the Andy Kaufman Awards at New York's Gotham Comedy Club, where she told Andy’s brother Michael that Kaufman was still alive:
"He just wanted to be a stay-at-home dad, because that's why he wanted to leave the show biz. I know don't know how much longer he can keep everything away. He was really thinking about coming."
However, it has since been revealed that the woman is actually an actress named Alexandra Tatarsky. Still, rumors that Kaufman faked his death are bound to live on for years to come.
After news broke that Kaufman might still be alive, Jerry “The King” Lawler wasted no time challenging his old rival to a wrestling match. Lawler recently spoke with CNN about Kaufman:
"I would like nothing better than to know that Andy was still alive and been with us all this time. But like anybody else, I really don't know any more than what I've heard. It could be a great hoax in his honor, dreamed up by his friend Bob Zmuda and his brother, Michael. That would be something that would be in keeping with Andy's tradition, but who's to say. It could really be legit."
Lawler added that if Kaufman was still alive, he would want to step into the squared-circle with him one more time:
"There should be a WrestleMania rematch between Andy and The King. We could rekindle the feud with no problem."
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Also interesting that that wrestler's stage name happens to be "The King"!
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And another more detailed one about this wrestler. It's tripping me out because they keep talking about Kaufman's brother Michael.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1717469/andy-kaufman-jerry-lawler-faked-own-death.jhtml
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Did Andy Kaufman Call Pro Wrestler Jerry Lawler From Beyond The Grave?
With rumors swirling that the comedian may have faked his own death, his old friend/rival weighs in.
There's one question on everyone's mind today, including that of professional wrestler Jerry "The King" Lawler: "Andy, are you goofing on Elvis?"
Yup, rumors are swirling that presumably deceased comedian Andy Kaufman is still alive after a woman who claims to be his daughter made an appearance Monday night at the Andy Kaufman Awards, and his old rival/friend is just as perplexed as everyone else about the news.
"I don't know," Lawler told MTV News when asked whether he thinks there's truth to the rumors. "I just know that would be like Andy or, possibly, this is just an elaborate hoax that they're doing in Andy's honor. I really don't know."
Jerry Lawler
Earlier this week at the 9th Annual Andy Kaufman Awards at the Gotham Comedy Club in New York City, Kaufman's brother Michael stirred up the rumor mill by recounting a very interesting story, according to CNN. He explained that he while looking through the comedian's papers he had found the entertainer's plan to fake his own death, saying that he would reappear at a restaurant on Christmas Eve 1999.
When Michael showed up at the restaurant, a parking lot attendant gave him a letter supposedly from Andy, saying that he was living in secret with his new family. After reading the letter, Michael brought a young woman on stage, a woman claiming to be Andy Kaufman's daughter -- and claiming that his death from lung cancer in 1984 was a hoax.
Reports have since surfaced that the woman is 23-year-old actress Alexandra Tatarsky and that the event was all a hoax orchestrated by Michael Kaufman. We have reached out to Tatarsky for comment.
Meanwhile, the producer of the awards, Al Parinello, told The Hollywood Reporter: "I witnessed the entire thing and I can tell you without a doubt this was not a prank."
Lawler, who was invited to the awards but was unable to attend, could go either way. "I had a couple of thoughts. Andy and I worked together back in the day, and I feel like we became really pretty close friends. I know that Andy talked even back then a lot about the idea that the ultimate prank that he could ever pull would be to fake his own death and then come back 10 or 15 years later."
Lawler and Kaufman perpetrated their own hoax back in the early '80s when they concocted a feud built on skits in which Kaufman wrestled women. The two engaged in a violent matches in the midst of Kaufman's wrestling spree, but, in reality, the two were friends, Lawler even appearing as himself in the 1999 Kaufman biopic "Man On The Moon."
"Andy was down doing one of our Memphis wrestling TV shows the day that he told me that he had been diagnosed with lung cancer," Lawler said. "He was coughing through an interview that he was doing and afterwards he apologized and said, 'Man, I just got diagnosed with lung cancer.' I thought at the time, I said, 'Oh my gosh, here we go.' I said, 'Andy, come on,' and he said, 'I'm serious.' So I always had that little bit of a doubt."
That doubt only grew after Kaufman's funeral, which he said was closed casket and only attended by close family. "That always made me a little skeptical as well," he said.
Lawler had an almost-brush with Kaufman around 2000, when he received a phonecall at 2:30 a.m. from someone who sounded exactly like Kaufman and knew intimate details of their friendship. In the end, however, it was all a ruse. "[It was] Jim Carrey that made that call," he said. Carrey played Kaufman in The Man On The Moon. "That was really my only encounter with Andy since he died."
Andy Kaufman in 1979
When asked if perhaps the scene at the awards could have been a hoax executed from beyond the grave with help from Kaufman's brother Michael, Lawler said: "[Michael] was not like Andy at all in the sense that I wouldn't think of Michael as the kind of guy who would pull off the practical jokes that Andy did or the elaborate ruses that Andy did. I don't know. I know that Michael said that he did find this essay that Andy wrote going into detail about how he would go about faking his own death and that sort of thing. I don't know. I really don't know."
Lawler is hopeful, though, and said that if Kaufman does turn up, he would definitely challenge him to another wrestling match. "It would be a perfect match for a main event at WrestleMania," he said, speculating that Kaufman's entrance music would be "New York Groove."
Andy Kaufman in the wrestling match? If you believed they put a man on the moon...
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Its Her, thanks for the Last words of LHO read. This caught my eye- he said, "The picture has been made by superimposing my face." Who would stoop so low as to falsify evidence, exactly what 'they' did with MJ.
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Question: Did anyone else notice that www.thisisalsoit.com domain expired about a week ago and was available? There has been discussion in FB groups that it was purchased by TMZ.
Can anyone verify this? Did anyone else see this?
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Great post, Its her. But how are they all going to fit on one stage? ;D
I totally agree that Michael is not acting alone, but practically speaking, I am not so sure he is behind everything. After all, the faked JFK assassination happened when he was only 5! And while Michael is a genius, directing a 50 year hoax just ain't as easy as A, B C.
Well, the World is his stage, ;) as we've already seen...and, he's NOT directing a 50 year hoax. Just exposing it and the dirty shadow government business behind it. Don't forget, Jackie Kennedy was THERE. She wore that bloody pink suit TO the swearing in of her husband's replacement!! Is anybody watching all the new Kennedy stuff on TV this month?? :o Don't forget that she had commissioned a private TELL-ALL book in the interest of justice and historical fact, to be published after her children had lived safe, full lives, in 2064, after we are all dead! It was supposed to be in her publisher's vault (like buried treasure :icon_albino:). The plot THICKENS... :omg:WHO does THAT sound like??? :affraid:
MJ is one of the only few people I ever heard speak about the inaccuracies and downright purposeful errors in historical records. Yeah, most good people hope that their stories will be accurately remembered /recorded for posterity, but if not, who cares? History as a school subject has gotten so dumbed down, so boring, no one is aware what has been left out and misrepresented, and worse, we are so desensitized to the value of learning from it, no one cares to go back and fix it! Oh, it WILL be corrected, and Truth WILL prevail, eventually. But... people are now coming out of the silence of secrets and they are beginning to expose the deficit in this treasure! Holy moley! lately it seems to be a crusade! :icon_e_biggrin: It seems SO dramatic to me, I don't know if it is just TIME to end the lies, by the hand of God emboldening various and many people, to make all this stuff come out before the end of the age, or if it is someone :affraid: else commissioning these and setting the stage dramatically for an ultimate BAM! :icon_e_surprised:
Don't forget that Jackie Kennedy thought highly enough of her and her son John's fascinating "acquaintance", Michael Jackson, that she encouraged him to write a book too. She loved people with imagination, and MJ is as "guilty as sin" of that! ;D
JFK condemned complacency as a killer, and tried to get people to think individually about their unique contribution to getting some things right in the world, before "herd-think" puts all of America's generations AND bright promise, to sleep. I believe Mrs. Kennedy did everything she could to protect the Truth for the day when someone would shake the world awake, but she didn't think it would be during her lifetime, because things were SO corrupt, THEN. All she needed was some hope and I bet talking with MJ :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :icon_e_smile: gave her some!! (Don't forget that Marlon Brando casually commented once, when asked what he was doing, that, "Oh, I was just listening to Michael Jackson telling me how to solve all the world's problems!!" :affraid: :michael-jackson:
I'm just saying that it is not a stretch to think MJ may have talked those two into a hoax of their very own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o She is gone, now, but that whole :icon_albino: mess with John Jr.'s death is so full of holes, IT has to be a hoax. :icon_e_surprised: :icon_eek: :affraid: ALL of the Truth just MAY all come out before the hundred years is up!! :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :bowdown: Maybe this is the reveal, partly. It works! 1,2,3, baby!! :icon_mrgreen:
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Not putting my opinion about the JFK stuff. Have a few of my own theories, or rather do believe a few of the other theories that have been widely looked into (not necessarily a JFK death hoax as described here)
However, will say to the MJ only being 5 yrs old when JFK died - (not saying JFK is alive) but age gap never really prevented MJ from getting to know / befriending / loving anyone his senior in the past, many of which are incredibly powerful people in the world. Many of the people closest to him are older than he. This coupled with his influential ability, 1 billion plus worldwide following, word wide iconic status as a 'do-gooder' enabled him to make friends with many in high places, including those his senior.
Should any of these people have faked their death and plan to come back with MJ (strength in numbers theory mentioned previously) then this would mean that they collaborated when MJ came of age. (Again not saying I believe this, just indulging the notion for arguments sake) It is plausible when you look at an example of MJ and Elvis. MJ was 19 when Elvis 'died'. They have more in common (deliberately) as MJ got older, opposed to at the time of Elvis' 'death' - which could imply collaboration. Of course MJ marrying LMP - and ELVIS being alive - Elvis would have approved / supported perhaps even arranged that liaison with MJ.
At the notion of MJ coming back with a list of people, I don't know if I believe it 100%, but at times have certainly entertained it - because I get the idea of the 'strength in numbers' & lowering the hate and raising the chances of a well received reception from those who were 'hurt' by the death or MJ's haters - BUT BUT BUT - one thing... (again, I am entertaining this completely on a hyperthetical level here) That would mean that they **ALL would have to have THE SAME goal / purpose / agenda** if they did return together.
And yeah - I'm going there - If this WERE the case - This kinda gives a bit more weight to a joint collaboration of people who are trying to use their 'celebrity' to countermand TPTB by raising awareness with the 'people' - Meaning that they are all 'good guys'. It really would be the ONLY thing that they would have in common by a (hyperthetical) joint return.
At the end of the day the 1% are powerful because of the $$ - but if awareness is brought to the 99% - then, yes strength is in numbers and "Governments should be afraid of the people" to coin an expression because no amount of money could thwart an uprising of billions of people. (CM's words of "Nuclear Bomb" come to mind)
BUT having said all that (again, NOT saying that is what I believe has/will happen/ed) - BUT say it were, MJ will no doubt upstage every other participant and he will have his own agenda in that agenda too. Personal vindication, entertainment, breaking records, rocking the entertainment/media industries, and yes, I dare say some kind of religious connotation to it all too. Why not, he's implied it for years... lol But yeah, he would be the star of the return and it would be all about him ;-)
Anyways, I digress. Big time. I am moving house and really shouldn't be getting into TPTB discussion when I should be packing boxes - lol...
But yeah - interesting posts by all! Love reading all your comments.
@ curls, agree with the idea that MJ is not behind everything btw. But do agree with whoever said that he uses things he is not involved in to his advantage in his own hoax. Much like the share market stuff the other day on TIAI - other hoaxes, etc
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Great post, Its her. But how are they all going to fit on one stage? ;D
I totally agree that Michael is not acting alone, but practically speaking, I am not so sure he is behind everything. After all, the faked JFK assassination happened when he was only 5! And while Michael is a genius, directing a 50 year hoax just ain't as easy as A, B C.
Do you think Kennedy is alive?
Hi SweetSunsetwithMJ,
No, I don't think JFK is alive. He was too proactive a soul to sit around for the prime of his life, watching his plans taken down and redirected by an interloper. His is no hoax. He, sadly, was murdered. But, I'm hoping Junior only disappeared for his and his wife's own safety, and when the time is fully ripe---when things are in place---he'll come back Kicking! :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
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I don't know if it is just TIME to end the lies, by the hand of God emboldening various and many people, to make all this stuff come out before the end of the age, or if it is someone :affraid: else commissioning these and setting the stage dramatically for an ultimate BAMlbino: mess with John Jr.'s death is so full of holes, IT has to be a hoax. :icon_e_surprised: :icon_eek: :affraid: ALL of the Truth just MAY all come out before the hundred years is up!! :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :bowdown: Maybe this is the reveal, partly. It works! 1,2,3, baby!! :icon_mrgreen:
It's all fulfilling bible prophecy if you ask me. Revelation makes it clear that world wide religion, governments and big businesses lose their power at 'the time of the end' of the 'system of things.' People becoming aware 'could' be the start of these things.
JMO, but whilst huge public figures like MJ and such may be able to create 'awareness' in people and make people awake from their drone like slumber about what it actually happening, I believe only GOD has the power to rid the evil. It's too thick and entrenched in the system. This is only something God can fix. Because it has infested life as we know it. Again, just my opinion based on Bible. Man can talk about it, educate it. Only God can fix it.
Yes excited for MJ return. Yes excited that ppl see truth about the hoax and his life and the media. Have to say even *more* excited and wait in anticipation for an intervention from God to turn this system on its head and rid evil forever!
Amen.
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For anyone inclined to research the notion of JFK deah hoax
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1702078/pg1
http://letsrollforums.com/jfk-murder-staged-event-t23127.html?s=1c3a801090438fba190a00a4f4e2811c&
http://assassinationscience.com/johncostella/jfk/intro/fast.html
There are arguments for and against. Warning: Graphic footage
All very subjective if you ask me. You will see it from which angle you want to. Form an idea and then search for the evidence of it to substantiate a belief. Not a bad thing, just how human brain works. If I am looking for the 'truth' that Jackie climbed over trunk of car scurrying to grab the fake blood bag that was dropped - I can see it. If I look at the moment where the side of his head exploded from gunfire as my 'truth' - I will indeed see that. It depends what you want to see. Or choose to see rather...
Hard to know truth. So Apple, I agree with you dear, create your OWN truth xx
EDIT: ***WOW***The "lets roll forum" link I posted, is incredibly well written and provides good arguments for both sides. Looking at it from all angles. Very good reading, I am up to page 15 and its getting even better. Incredibly intriguing! Undecided, but provides a few different ideas that I hadn't previously come across.
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I don't know if it is just TIME to end the lies, by the hand of God emboldening various and many people, to make all this stuff come out before the end of the age, or if it is someone :affraid: else commissioning these and setting the stage dramatically for an ultimate BAMlbino: mess with John Jr.'s death is so full of holes, IT has to be a hoax. :icon_e_surprised: :icon_eek: :affraid: ALL of the Truth just MAY all come out before the hundred years is up!! :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :bowdown: Maybe this is the reveal, partly. It works! 1,2,3, baby!! :icon_mrgreen:
It's all fulfilling bible prophecy if you ask me. Revelation makes it clear that world wide religion, governments and big businesses lose their power at 'the time of the end' of the 'system of things.' People becoming aware 'could' be the start of these things.
JMO, but whilst huge public figures like MJ and such may be able to create 'awareness' in people and make people awake from their drone like slumber about what it actually happening, I believe only GOD has the power to rid the evil. It's too thick and entrenched in the system. This is only something God can fix. Because it has infested life as we know it. Again, just my opinion based on Bible. Man can talk about it, educate it. Only God can fix it.
Yes excited for MJ return. Yes excited that ppl see truth about the hoax and his life and the media. Have to say even *more* excited and wait in anticipation for an intervention from God to turn this system on its head and rid evil forever!
Amen.
YES, Amen! :) I agree. Opening eyes is just the human part. But Jesus promised that knowing the Truth would make people free. With evil exposed, people will be free to follow their own destiny instead of being only allowed to barely exist (for the use of others) by TPTB, or those who erroneously presume themselves to be over others. United people will know they are being fed a crock to enslave them or endanger themselves and in unity will step up to effect change there, IN the instance, instead of every idea taking years to convince and recondition the snoozing majority of the need to do the right thing!
Just SEEing through deception in the first place is a major foothold of resistance. :woohoo2: Making it possible for great multitudes TO SEE is THE deathblow and the beginning of the end of evil's grip. The corrupt broken system won't have the upper hand over those who are awake to the Truth, but you're right, it isn't going to cease trying to make captives of people until God vaporizes that evil being behind it all. I think MJ is flatly taking back hijacked MENTAL ground, making it impossible for the corruption of the world system to entangle again, and hold down, those minds/souls who will stand fast against their tactical lies and greedy grab for money and power. This is a HUGE :bowdown: amazing undertaking and just like he said, ALL for Love. :icon_e_smile: :bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug:
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Question: Did anyone else notice that www.thisisalsoit.com (http://www.thisisalsoit.com) domain expired about a week ago and was available? There has been discussion in FB groups that it was purchased by TMZ.
Can anyone verify this? Did anyone else see this?
The expiration date is 10/28 and it was renewed prior to that according to whosit.com
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The Website title from thisisalsoit.com ist TMZ .
http://whois.domaintools.com/thisisalsoit.com
:LolLolLolLol:
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Thank you Bec and Underthemoon.
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Wow, thanks for that underthemoon! I tried to do a screen print to make the info clearer, but couldn't make it work. :computer-losy-smiley:
The Site Profile page does indeed have TMZ as the Website Title. And if you go to the AboutUs Wiki Page and click on the link 'to sum up this website' it takes you straight to TMZ.
I notice variations on the way 'thisisalsoit' is written, with capitals in places. There's 'ThisIsalsoit', 'Thisisalsoit' and 'ThISisalsoIt'. I don't know if this has any relevance. It's just that we have always known it as 'thisisalsoit' - all lower case.
(EDIT: I now don't think there's any relevance! Whatever combination of upper and lower case you use, it still goes to TMZ.)
But whatever/whoever owns thisisalsoit, I can confirm what bec said - the domain was due to expire on 29th October but was renewed/updated on 2nd October. (Some of us were keeping an eye on it at the time.)
My understanding of that is that the original owner renewed the name, not that someone else has bought it, as Aussie had heard.
So ... has TMZ been behind TIAI all along??!!
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I sometimes think the question is: who is behind TMZ...
:michael_jackson-1135:
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Thanks everybody for your so interesting posts, I have to confess you something: I have always entertained the idea that MJ would come back alone to perform the Greatest Show on Earth but as time goes by I'm changing my mind and if MJ really wants to warn us and make the so call "Wake Up Call" I think he might need the help of a bunch of very influential people and so come back all together.
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For anyone inclined to research the notion of JFK deah hoax
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1702078/pg1
http://letsrollforums.com/jfk-murder-staged-event-t23127.html?s=1c3a801090438fba190a00a4f4e2811c&
http://assassinationscience.com/johncostella/jfk/intro/fast.html
There are arguments for and against. Warning: Graphic footage
All very subjective if you ask me. You will see it from which angle you want to. Form an idea and then search for the evidence of it to substantiate a belief. Not a bad thing, just how human brain works. If I am looking for the 'truth' that Jackie climbed over trunk of car scurrying to grab the fake blood bag that was dropped - I can see it. If I look at the moment where the side of his head exploded from gunfire as my 'truth' - I will indeed see that. It depends what you want to see. Or choose to see rather...
Hard to know truth. So Apple, I agree with you dear, create your OWN truth xx
EDIT: ***WOW***The "lets roll forum" link I posted, is incredibly well written and provides good arguments for both sides. Looking at it from all angles. Very good reading, I am up to page 15 and its getting even better. Incredibly intriguing! Undecided, but provides a few different ideas that I hadn't previously come across.
There are more. My favorite is Cluesforum. http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=75
I DO think JFK is alive, or rather, as Applehead might suggest as she did with Chris Farley, the ACTOR who played JFK is alive. Like with the MJ hoax, it requires some research and an open mind. It is only recently that I have come to this conclusion. I was 13 when it happened and I cried for a solid week with the rest of America as we watched the sad story unfold before us on TV. The question everyone asks then is WHY????? Why break the hearts and hopes of an entire nation? I may have stumbled upon a theory.
My book club read Stephen King's book 11/22/63 which posits the idea of someone going back in time and killing Lee Harvey Oswald and saving JFK and changing history, presumably, for the better. SPOILER ALERT. I will reduce this 1000 page book to this. In the end, JFK is save and the savior returns to the present time only to discover that the world has been destroyed by a nuclear holocaust! There is a general consensus that Kennedy, loved by some and LOATHED by others, would have encountered too much resistance to his reforms among conservatives and it would take Johnson, one of their own, a Southerner, to effect those changes in Congress. As a child of the 60s I hated Johnson and for a long time suspected he might have been behind the assassination. For younger people, it would be hard to understand the situation back then. WWII was a recent memory, fear of nuclear war with the Soviets felt very real and perhaps imminent, blacks and whites lived separately in the south AND the north, and NO ONE was gay, at least not publicly. That the American psyche has changed so much in 50 years is nothing less than astounding. How did it happen? During the course of a natural course of events, or was it orchestrated????
Over the last 50 years our hearts have been uplifted and broken a thousand times. People all over have done remarkable work and show amazing dedication and sacrifice in the pursuit of justice on any number of important issues. How did this happen? As is suggested in the great movie Inception, people are resistant to new ideas and it is very difficult to overturn long held beliefs, however erroneous, in people's minds. The task is to get them to think it's their OWN idea. Have we all been participants in this Greatest Show on Earth which we, like Evey, believed to be real? And, like Evey, have we learned something and gained great strength in the process? Was the Final Curtain Call, the 4 years to get it right, the last push to tip the balance in our psyche to the positive, to prove to ourselves and whatever powers may be that we are, in fact, worth saving? Or have I just gone off the deep end?
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Wow, thanks for that underthemoon! I tried to do a screen print to make the info clearer, but couldn't make it work. :computer-losy-smiley:
The Site Profile page does indeed have TMZ as the Website Title. And if you go to the AboutUs Wiki Page and click on the link 'to sum up this website' it takes you straight to TMZ.
I notice variations on the way 'thisisalsoit' is written, with capitals in places. There's 'ThisIsalsoit', 'Thisisalsoit' and 'ThISisalsoIt'. I don't know if this has any relevance. It's just that we have always known it as 'thisisalsoit' - all lower case.
(EDIT: I now don't think there's any relevance! Whatever combination of upper and lower case you use, it still goes to TMZ.)
But whatever/whoever owns thisisalsoit, I can confirm what bec said - the domain was due to expire on 29th October but was renewed/updated on 2nd October. (Some of us were keeping an eye on it at the time.)
My understanding of that is that the original owner renewed the name, not that someone else has bought it, as Aussie had heard.
So ... has TMZ been behind TIAI all along??!!
Hi Curls, isn't it strange that they updated the Domain at that day the verdict Jackson/AEG was published ?
It's all absolut weird and with the experience of over 4 years Hoax i read and watch all i can find from JFK and it was...... :affraid:
Will we get answers in our lifes ?
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Hi Curls, isn't it strange that they updated the Domain at that day the verdict Jackson/AEG was published ?
Hey, you're right, I hadn't noticed that. Coincidence?!
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Sorry I thought it was the 28th.
The "website" title is listed as TMZ because it directs to TMZ currently. TIAI is not a conventional website, it's just a domain. The title of the website is whatever page is the current redirect. There is no merit to this rumor.
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Thisisalsoit is currently redirecting to TMZ, it's natural to have TMZ as title, IMO. I don't think it means anything except for the fact that it is redirecting to TMZ
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whoa, sorry bec, didn't see your post.
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Don't be sorry, we just think alike.
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Ah, thanks for clarifying that bec and Thriller - I understand now. (Pity in a way, I was kinda happy thinking we might've solved the 'who is it' question at last!)
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Through this journey I leaned that all history books are telling fake stories. But are "they" gonna let some one else tell the truth?? Plus: I sometimes ask myself Marylin Monroe is really dead! ! I wish she's not :((
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Thisisalsoit is currently redirecting to TMZ, it's natural to have TMZ as title, IMO. I don't think it means anything except for the fact that it is redirecting to TMZ
It could be owned by TMZ ! !
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Through this journey I leaned that all history books are telling fake stories. But are "they" gonna let some one else tell the truth?? Plus: I sometimes ask myself Marylin Monroe is really dead! ! I wish she's not :((
I think she was murdered due to her affair with FJK, funny that after MJ's death the media talked about it, check it out (August 29, 2009): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1209783/Madness-Marilyn-Monroe-The-affair-JFK-drug-crazed-paranoia.html
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Through this journey I leaned that all history books are telling fake stories. But are "they" gonna let some one else tell the truth?? Plus: I sometimes ask myself Marylin Monroe is really dead! ! I wish she's not :((
I think she was murdered due to her affair with FJK, funny that after MJ's death the media talked about it, check it out (August 29, 2009): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1209783/Madness-Marilyn-Monroe-The-affair-JFK-drug-crazed-paranoia.html
Thank you sweetsunset for the link. Poor girl. Her only crime was loving this man, but of course she was not allowed to!
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Through this journey I leaned that all history books are telling fake stories. But are "they" gonna let some one else tell the truth?? Plus: I sometimes ask myself Marylin Monroe is really dead! ! I wish she's not :((
I think she was murdered due to her affair with FJK, funny that after MJ's death the media talked about it, check it out (August 29, 2009): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1209783/Madness-Marilyn-Monroe-The-affair-JFK-drug-crazed-paranoia.html
Thank you sweetsunset for the link. Poor girl. Her only crime was loving this man, but of course she was not allowed to!
So you believe the fairy tale? Check out this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3ZvIzL1JbI I can almost hear her sing 'Happy Birthday Mr. President.' ;D
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Through this journey I leaned that all history books are telling fake stories. But are "they" gonna let some one else tell the truth?? Plus: I sometimes ask myself Marylin Monroe is really dead! ! I wish she's not :((
I think she was murdered due to her affair with FJK, funny that after MJ's death the media talked about it, check it out (August 29, 2009): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1209783/Madness-Marilyn-Monroe-The-affair-JFK-drug-crazed-paranoia.html
Which fairy tale? ?
Thank you sweetsunset for the link. Poor girl. Her only crime was loving this man, but of course she was not allowed to!
So you believe the fairy tale? Check out this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3ZvIzL1JbI I can almost hear her sing 'Happy Birthday Mr. President.' ;D