Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: back on September 02, 2013, 10:53:48 AM
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I have joined this site today after learning that an impostor named 'Front' is taking advantage of unsuspecting Michael Jackson fans ... This impostor is also attempting to bring down MJDHI with the help of a former Administrator 'Mo' from this website . A new forum has been formed and dedicated to this pathetic soul and the Administrator and owner (PureLove) of this website knows this mans true face and name ,,, all the while instilling hope through fraud with malice lies ..
The the fraud known as Front is a man named 'Paul Bergman' and uses the alias 'Keyboardwizz' on the internet ....
His twitter : https://twitter.com/keyboardwizz
This is Front :
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/paulbergma.png)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/paulbergma.jpg)
This pathetic excuse of human life , through the help of 'Mo' and now PureLove has frauded the Hoax Community . Embarrassing not only themselves but over 3000 Twitter followers who aimlessly followed . Michael Jackson will toy with your hearts or egg you on , be safe and use common sense .
Thank you Souza ,, SEHF and all of the good people who come here periodically with good thoughts and not devious attempts to take advantage of people ...
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Back has posted on numerous occasions and I'm sure this is a fraudulent account.
You can't just register as "back" and put up a post.
at this point that's all im going to say.
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So this dude is Dutch and it's working together with "Mo"?? Is this dude twitter Front the same than Forum Front?? and then Paris Jackson (real one) is her friend and helping him to create this chaos?? Is this dude living in L.A?? because during my vacations there Front always started to tweet around 8/8:30 a.m L.A local time.
Can you Souza please explain??
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Back has posted on numerous occasions and I'm sure this is a fraudulent account.
You can't just register as "back" and put up a post.
at this point that's all im going to say.
What do you mean??
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Interesting.
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Ohhhhhh, this makes sense in lots of ways..... I have to think, I will post why I say that later, have to eat first.
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I hope people will stop that Front worshipping now.
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Okay, I am done eating my McDonalds!
Normally I would delete something like this, but this makes all the sense in the world to me now that I think about it. In one of my posts I talked about Bob, and how I thought that Bob was someone that at least knew MJ, and I mentioned that I trusted Front for a reason. The only reason I ever trusted Front (until (s)he started the weird shit) was because Front typed similar to Bob, and because he clearly seemed to know about things I discussed with Bob. Mo of course knew too, but I never thought she could pull off English like that, nor can she play instruments as far as I know. She does a lot with photoshop though... But her good friend keyboardwizz plays .... yes keyboard! He is a musician and he is very skinny, definitely has the same figure as Front. I have always been confused by the pictures but always thought MJ had way broader shoulders than that and more muscle. Skinny but toned. Keyboardwizz also has better English and he even said he could easily pull off a Back, I met him in person. Mo also knows how to be a good troll because she knows who I ban and when. It explains why I thought at first Front was a guy, now a woman, it's Mo who is probably tweeting most of the time. Both were busy bashing me on the net for a while, but they got awefully quiet. Even keyboardwizz's other troll account on Twitter (@thisisalmostit) got quiet. Too quiet. Plus I speak to Bob on a regular basis and he swears he is not Front, nor does he know Front so it must be the only other person that knows about those conversations: Mo. Thank you Back, I usually do not like posts like this but those two slandered me in a way that I don't even have words for, so fuck it!
I do not believe PureLove knows about it though, I think she really thinks Front is MJ. So do 3,000 others and they make a foll out of themselves on Twitter throwing themself at Mo and this dude on top. Eet smakelijk! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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i knew it wasn't Michael.....this is so liberating!
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Back has posted on numerous occasions and I'm sure this is a fraudulent account.
You can't just register as "back" and put up a post.
at this point that's all im going to say.
And who is back??
Is that Bob?
Is there an other(real) Front.
What to believe or not?? :confused:
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Keyboardwiz does have a long history of pretending to be MJ online and trolling this board. As well as trying to make some personal connection with me. How could they get so lucky as to have guessed the missing n beforehand and be linked to both Facebook and the prosecution at Murray's trial though?
The idea of people having lusted over that guy's collarbones makes me die laughing.
If true, cest la vie.
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Keyboardwiz does have a long history of pretending to be MJ online and trolling this board. As well as trying to make some personal connection with me. How could they get so lucky as to have guessed the missing n beforehand and be linked to both Facebook and the prosecution at Murray's trial though?
The idea of people having lusted over that guy's collarbones makes me die laughing.
If true, cest la vie.
Dumb luck. You would be blown away if i would give you a list of the creepy coincidences I have see the past 4+ years, and they were REALLY coincidences even though I was absolutely sure they couldn't be. I have not seen anything so far that really made me convinced Front was MJ, and now with this bitching shit on Twitter this is making the most sense.
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Keyboardwiz does have a long history of pretending to be MJ online and trolling this board. As well as trying to make some personal connection with me. How could they get so lucky as to have guessed the missing n beforehand and be linked to both Facebook and the prosecution at Murray's trial though?
The idea of people having lusted over that guy's collarbones makes me die laughing.
If true, cest la vie.
It doesn't make me laugh because I don't care if Front is Paul if Paul is sick or whatever but what it really worries me is that NOW we are not sure if MJ will really come back and if he doesn't come back we will never get to know for sure if Michael is dead or alive due to TS and FRONT were the ones that made us think about a comeback and that's very sad.
SHEF do you have a pic of this dude showing his neck??
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Haha so some user with the name back just comes along to badmouth Purelove and claim Front as fake by posting pictures and twitter of Paul Bergman. So exactly why should I believe this? I would like some further proof or at least an explanation of why you believe Paul Bergman is Front. Thanks "Back"
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so basically Mo and Paul Bergman are cheating on fans by pretending to be Front. But why would they ever want to do that? What do they gain by cheating?
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I just recently followed this Front on twitter. I also follow King Tut and a few others. It doesn't mean that I think they are MJ. I just don't want to miss anything.
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The thought of a comeback occurred to me on June 26th, 2009 before I even knew what a hoax site was, and was confirmed as plausible by July of 2009, prior to even S.T.U.D.Y. signing up on .com and continues to remain plausible today--standing completely independent of anything TS/TS_comments/or S.T.U.D.Y. ever posted. Those postings supported, rather then introduced, the comeback theory. Bamsday is likely because we are dealing with Mr. Michael Jackson first n foremost, n that's just how he rolls. Not because of internet personalities.
How do you know she knows Fronts real identity? ...
Presumably because he posted this information publicly.
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With the greatest respect for all persons concerned here -- would you have facts and proof that this Paul person is indeed "Front" (twitter or otherwise)? Have you been able to link IP addresses or some other proof? If not, it would seem that we are on yet another wild goose chase. Thx.
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so basically Mo and Paul Bergman are cheating on fans by pretending to be Front. But why would they ever want to do that? What do they gain by cheating?
They did it before. Who knows why trolls troll. I know Mo always wanted more followers on Twitter than me, maybe that is why? I am just guessing, some people are just like that. Plus they HATE me.
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I wonder if i should wear my "I told you so" T-shirt... because i already explained about how this "troll" come and goes and does the EXACT SAME scenario all the time. BUT i'm not gonna do that.
I think i'm just gonna sit and try to think about why this people are not able to have a life of their own, trying to use their energy in doing GOOD things...
I'm just sad to realise i was right about the fact that this community is rotten and it's not possible to have a real talk with a real someone, without people trying to find MJ, or trying to be MJ. It's like the whole thing is not able to live if it's not for MJ... I guess the case is hopeless...
This is why i spend fewer time on here. The more i stay on MJ's community, the more far i feel from MJ's aura. It's surprising but it is the feeling i have.
We only have hate and greedyness and attention seeking, and "i love MJ more than you"...
I wish people were different...
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With the greatest respect for all persons concerned here -- would you have facts and proof that this Paul person is indeed "Front" (twitter or otherwise)? Have you been able to link IP addresses or some other proof? If not, it would seem that we are on yet another wild goose chase. Thx.
Trolls don't have IP addresses. Front has posted from the US and from The Netherlands, but also Denmark and whatever else. Ask anyone who was around 4-5 years ago and they will tell you Mo was the proxy-queen.
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I wonder if i should wear my "I told you so" T-shirt... because i already explained about how this "troll" come and goes and does the EXACT SAME scenario all the time. BUT i'm not gonna do that.
You don't have to refrain, you can say it. It's alright.
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Thank you. It sounds like you had a falling out with with Mo so I will not press any further.
"Mrs. SEFH" did you marry? :th_bravo:
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Thank you. It sounds like you had a falling out with with Mo so I will not press any further.
"Mrs. SEFH" did you marry? :th_bravo:
We had a fall out YEARS ago, was already buried to me until I read this.
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Keyboardwiz does have a long history of pretending to be MJ online and trolling this board. As well as trying to make some personal connection with me. How could they get so lucky as to have guessed the missing n beforehand and be linked to both Facebook and the prosecution at Murray's trial though?
The idea of people having lusted over that guy's collarbones makes me die laughing.
If true, cest la vie.
Dumb luck. You would be blown away if i would give you a list of the creepy coincidences I have see the past 4+ years, and they were REALLY coincidences even though I was absolutely sure they couldn't be. I have not seen anything so far that really made me convinced Front was MJ, and now with this bitching shit on Twitter this is making the most sense.
I don't remember when TS and TS_comments started posting, but for me he/she falls into the same category....just dumb luck and REALLY coincidences......the three or four 'bam' dates, the endless talk about a leafpattern in the ambulance, the unfinished levels....'front' stepped in where TS_comments left......it didn't sit right and sealed the deal for me.
Don't get me wrong, I never ever mean to judge people who put their hope on these posters, but like I said I few weeks ago....I feel we are being duped by I don't know who, is now beginning to materialize. And I'm afraid this is only the start....
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Are you saying Paul B is Back, Sott, TS going way back to 2002? If so, MJ is dead, because it connects to MJ facebook, Paris, MJ siblings, etc. Then the Jacksons and MJ Estate are playing the game with Mo and KBW, to fool hoaxer fans. Everything is interconnected, so when 1 card falls, the whole house falls down. So again if true, then MJ is truly dead and his family along with TMZ wishes to perpectuate this 'lie'. Its all connected tightly and interrelates. You cant pull out one without affecting ALL the other hoax aspects.
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Are you saying Paul B is Back, Sott, TS going way back to 2002? If so, MJ is dead, because it connects to MJ facebook, Paris, MJ siblings, etc. Then the Jacksons and MJ Estate are playing the game with Mo and KBW, to fool hoaxer fans. Everything is interconnected, so when 1 card falls, the whole house falls down. So again if true, then MJ is truly dead and his family along with TMZ wishes to perpectuate this 'lie'. Its all connected tightly and interrelates. You cant pull out one without affecting ALL the other hoax aspects.
No, just Front. Not any of the others, just Front.
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Why would it be so surprising that some troll would be posing as MJ before 2009 ?
It's not because it was written before 2009 that it is MJ's words...i guess anyone back then could be a good troll too... all investigation about MJ should keep that in mind. Although i agree, everything AFTER 2009 obviously tends to turn trollish in the end :icon_mrgreen:
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And what about the connection with Paris Jackson, is she another Troll? I tell you one thing if this is true Mo and the ugly dude are genius.
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And what about the connection with Paris Jackson, is she another Troll? I tell you one thing if this is true Mo and the ugly dude are genius.
Not genius, evil with a 500 page log of private chats with someone who DOES know his shit.
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Are you saying Paul B is Back, Sott, TS going way back to 2002? If so, MJ is dead, because it connects to MJ facebook, Paris, MJ siblings, etc. Then the Jacksons and MJ Estate are playing the game with Mo and KBW, to fool hoaxer fans. Everything is interconnected, so when 1 card falls, the whole house falls down. So again if true, then MJ is truly dead and his family along with TMZ wishes to perpectuate this 'lie'. Its all connected tightly and interrelates. You cant pull out one without affecting ALL the other hoax aspects.
Yeah that's what I said too that MJ may be for sure dead and the whole hoax is only that "A HOAX". Let' start grieving Michael.
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I think more and more that Twitter is bad :icon_rolleyes:
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Are you saying Paul B is Back, Sott, TS going way back to 2002? If so, MJ is dead, because it connects to MJ facebook, Paris, MJ siblings, etc. Then the Jacksons and MJ Estate are playing the game with Mo and KBW, to fool hoaxer fans. Everything is interconnected, so when 1 card falls, the whole house falls down. So again if true, then MJ is truly dead and his family along with TMZ wishes to perpectuate this 'lie'. Its all connected tightly and interrelates. You cant pull out one without affecting ALL the other hoax aspects.
Yeah that's what I said too that MJ may be for sure dead and the whole hoax is only that "A HOAX". Let' start grieving Michael.
He is dead because Front is a troll? OMG! HE IS NOT DEAD. He is alive and well and probably rolling his eyes at the hate in this community while eating Burger King!
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How can you be so sure Souza, I'm sorry but I completely lost track now :( Seriously confusing!
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Are you saying Paul B is Back, Sott, TS going way back to 2002? If so, MJ is dead, because it connects to MJ facebook, Paris, MJ siblings, etc. Then the Jacksons and MJ Estate are playing the game with Mo and KBW, to fool hoaxer fans. Everything is interconnected, so when 1 card falls, the whole house falls down. So again if true, then MJ is truly dead and his family along with TMZ wishes to perpectuate this 'lie'. Its all connected tightly and interrelates. You cant pull out one without affecting ALL the other hoax aspects.
I hate to think about it, but that MIGHT be the case. Whatyourheartsays is right, they could be trolls too. Or maybe just one troll, who does have plenty time to fool everybody and knows the whole scenario. I know this isn't a popular topic, but sometimes I have doubts about who's hoax this really is....'they' (whoever 'they' are) have spent so many years to break Michael (for whatever reasons) why wouldn't 'they' play this hoax-game to distract our attention from their criminal acts and let the fans believe it's Michael's hoax? I believe there is a very significant reason for this hoax.....but it could be for both sides....for Michael or for them....I still haven't figured out what would be the reason for 'them', but the way Michael was persecuted with those horrible lies, there MUST be a reason for it, and maybe there was also a reason to want him 'dead'.
The family gave us 'clues', but also confirmed time and time again that Michael is dead. They wrote books about it, they gave countless interviews all over the world. Yeah....maybe they played with us for a little while, I don't know...could that be coincidences too? Or maybe fake twitter accounts?
I feel there are still 'clues' (like Dave Dave) that are giving me a little hope Michael is in charge.....and so I'm not stop hoping yet..But it becomes more difficult each day.
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I'm usually just a quiet reader, and I'm following the hoax since maybe one year so you're all probably deeper inside this all but what I wanted to say is - respecting all opinions: Front is one little part, I followed him a while to compare times, but in the end he never said he was mj, but yes, i agree, with several pics, etc it was leading to the conclusion of some people it had to be him. we can't stop them but regardless of front, the hoax is so much bigger, and I would never stop believing just because of front being someone else as a few thought he was. because why? he probably has a talent, and things fell together because some wanted to believe. psychology. I don't understand why people begin now to think MJ is dead because of the topic front. Please forgive me as I interrupted here and I don't know the past (I read all threads here over the last weeks, but still) or you, but I had to say that.
much L.O.V.E. to you all xoxo
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How can you be so sure Souza, I'm sorry but I completely lost track now :( Seriously confusing!
I said it made sense. Front posted stuff I discussed with someone in private. That someone SWEARS he is not Front and the only other person that knows what was said is Mo. That and the guy's posture, him playing piano/keyboard and all other stuff simply makes sense.
I already get linked to lots of twitter crappers hating on me (while I wasn't even the topic starter!!) but I don't give a fuck because they will eat their words and disappear from the net very soon only to come back here to kiss ass.
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I understand thanks, but I was referring to the Michael is alive part :)
I mean, if Front isn't real, then TS isn't also. HE was the man referring to Front as MJ in one of his topics, right? So that makes TS a fraud 2.....
And now Back (out of all names) is saying Front isn't real :S
I don't get it. But maybe it's because i'm tired hahaha
Anyhow, thanks "Back" for giving me a huge headache! >:( lol
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I understand thanks, but I was referring to the Michael is alive part :)
I mean, if Front isn't real, then TS isn't also. HE was the man referring to Front as MJ in one of his topics, right? So that makes TS a fraud 2.....
And now Back (out of all names) is saying Front isn't real :S
I don't get it. But maybe it's because i'm tired hahaha
Anyhow, thanks "Back" for giving me a huge headache! >:( lol
Ohhhhh! I know because I have always known, not because of TS, not because of Front but because his death makes no sense. TS said from the start he was not MJ.
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Ah well, let me think about it overnight :) Like I said, maybe it's just me. Thanks anyway! :bearhug:
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Come on People !!! Stay focussed ! here are a list of my thoughts right now. Hope some of it will help you be back on the road ! it is not based on any specific person, just people you can happen to meet on the MJ hoax community.
- If you believe MJ is alive, you have to TRUST YOURSELF, TRUST YOUR HEART.
- Some of you are lost "right now" but is it because of MJ, or is it because things are not what you expected ?
- It is not because some people know A LOT about MJ, that they ARE MJ, or that they are part of the Hoax.
- It is not because some people lie to you, that eveything around is a lie.
- Keep your faith in MICHAEL alive. Only him. (and God, for those who wish, i'm not into this stuff)
- Keep your life BALANCED : don't jump from one extreme to the other : few hours ago, you were sure to talk to MJ, and now he is dead ? Makes no sense.
- Invest your energy, not your faith. Never put your faith in the balance. Keep a clear mind for all you are given to hear or see.
- Did Michael need a twitter account to have the memorial released ? to have TII released ? To have the davedave interview released ? MJ has his own communication chanel, i DOUBT he would need a free social network to have a public say about his hoax. All this must be protected by contracts until revealed, he would never set it public.
- Be aware there has ALWAYS been greedy people around MJ, around his money, around the love he got from his fans. Some people wish to have what they seek for and would do anything to get it. Love this people, enjoy them, but don't get fool by them.
- Never let people play with your feelings, play with your belief. If you have to find explanation yourself for something done by someone else, that surely means the person was not "clear". If someone doesn't answer to the question "are you MJ" that obviously is not "SANE" behaviour. NOONE would PLAY this cruel game call "i make you doubt, and i don't care if you are disappointed" There is no LOVE in such behaviour.
PLEASE people, be safe and protect your hearts. I'm really sad to see people disappointed again and again. I'd even prefer we all believe he is dead, if that could make you all comfortable with your lives. Michael has a life, he has dreams, i HIGHLY doubt he would find any fun in putting you all through this ups and downs. If he does, i guess i missed something about this man and i'd never wish to be called a "fan" ever again.
Remember Michael always been a man of action, not only words. Always pay attention to what people DO, and how they BEHAVE, not only the words given, that please your ears.
I really don't know if Michael is alive or not. I know that i know nothing. But damn, i still have this crazy hope in my soul. Once it's been there, it never went. I could call myself delusional, but wouldn't it feel better to consider he is dead...
We are just suffering, arguing, waiting for something that may never come. This needs to stop. One way or the other. And i think such weight is not to put on MJ's shoulders, waiting for him to return and solve all our problems, prooving us right, and saving the world. It's time to grown up about this, and understand that we have to find our own line, so that we are not TARGETS for people who would wish to take advantage on us, offering us some fake hope.
WE, people who loved MJ for years, who got him in our lives all along, supported him, WE, FANS as they call us, are the ones who know nothing ! we are just try to find, hoping, praying, and we tend to trust people who seem to know something. We are such "nothing" in all this mess. And yet we are always the victims of all those fights for power, for money, for fame. Some fights we maybe not even suspect or understand. This is why i think our best place is with MJ, and with his message. Not anywhere else, trying to figure out what's going on in his private life, because we are NOT part of his private life, and will never be. Why expose your heart to some bullets that are not even for you. Fight for the right purpose. For what MJ was fighting for.
Forget the mirrors and try see the light IN YOU. This is where MJ stands, the strongest. This is the place where you will feel he is close to you.
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Totally forgot about Dave Dave there for a second. Thanks :LolLolLolLol:
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[/quot]I understand thanks, but I was referring to the Michael is alive part :)
I mean, if Front isn't real, then TS isn't also. HE was the man referring to Front as MJ in one of his topics, right? So that makes TS a fraud 2.....
And now Back (out of all names) is saying Front isn't real :S
I don't get it. But maybe it's because i'm tired hahaha
Anyhow, thanks "Back" for giving me a huge headache! >:( lol
Ohhhhh! I know because I have always known, not because of TS, not because of Front but because his death makes no sense. TS said from the start he was not MJ.
Souza with all due respect, neither did Marilyn Monroe's death, Princess Diana's death, Whitney Houston's death, Peter Lopez's death (and the list goes on) make any sense even to this day............
I agree with Do's most recent post that we don't even know who's behind this hoax, this has always been in the back of my mind, always nagging at me.....
My goal here (like all of you) is to find out the truth about what happened on 6/25/09. Michael was so tortured by media and tabloids in such an unjustified way that I want to be here when we find out that he outsmarted them and beat them to the punch.............
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Hey, if anyone wants to think MJ is dead because Front is a fake then so be it. I am not starting to convince people on that after 4+ years. That is the problem with trolls though, they make people doubt things that are so clear cut.
MJ is alive, if I am wrong then I will eat cow shit for a year.
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And what about the connection with Paris Jackson, is she another Troll? I tell you one thing if this is true Mo and the ugly dude are genius.
Not genius, evil with a 500 page log of private chats with someone who DOES know his shit.
So Mo has the log of chats you both had with Bob from way back in the early daze? That would explain some things and makes this line of thinking plausable.
I thought I stopped following keyboard wizz years ago ........apparently not.
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And what about the connection with Paris Jackson, is she another Troll? I tell you one thing if this is true Mo and the ugly dude are genius.
Not genius, evil with a 500 page log of private chats with someone who DOES know his shit.
So Mo has the log of chats you both had with Bob from way back in the early daze? That would explain some things and makes this line of thinking plausable.
I thought I stopped following keyboard wizz years ago ........apparently not.
Yes, she was present with most chats even and some more even after I thought he left. Truth always prevails and I don't care about the haters, I know where I'm at. They will die from embarrassment one day.
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Souza, I think you misunderstood me. I don't think Michael is dead because of Front. I respect you and your determination, I wish I was that determined too!!!
But sometimes I get the sense that you may know more than you are telling us, and I do wish with all my heart that you are right about Michael being alive. I just sense that you may have access to more info. than most of us here, and if that's the case, I wish you would put us out of our misery and let us in on it too.......
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Souza, I think you misunderstood me. I don't think Michael is dead because of Front. I respect you and your determination, I wish I was that determined too!!!
But sometimes I get the sense that you may know more than you are telling us, and I do wish with all my heart that you are right about Michael being alive. I just sense that you may have access to more info. than most of us here, and if that's the case, I wish you would put us out of our misery and let us in on it too.......
Okay.....: Michael is alive.
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Wow, what a thread!! This is all very very interesting. I am a tad confused. But the one thing I am not confused about is that Twtr Front is a fake.
- Keep your life BALANCED : don't jump from one extreme to the other : few hours ago, you were sure to talk to MJ, and now he is dead ? Makes no sense.
So true!!! Well said!
Only have a few things to say.
a) I don't think that "Back" who started this thread is the original "Back" But I think that username was used to get attention to put out the warning abt Twtr Front. And rightly so too! So thank you back for revealing this to those who do not know about this person.
b) Hasn't anyone ever asked themselves when Twtr Front posts a picture, why can't it just can't be raw? I mean, I get not showing his face to maintain the charade / protect identity. But have you asked why every single image is over exposed, overly bright, colour saturated?
c) If the family are confusing you, trolls are confusing you and you are struggling with believing that he is alive at all, and starting to think that the hoax is a hoax, go back to all his song lyrics that imply hoax. At the end of the day they were MJs words. Family / TMZ aren't perpetuating this. MJ did. Don't let the trolls confuse you. Then they win!
d) This one is a question, for Bec, Souza or anyone else that can help. Are we sure that Forum Front is Twtr Front? What about family validation of Front? (Remember that thread) Can someone please explain that for us? I tend to think Forum Front and Twitter Front are different people. And hate to say it but I do still tend to think that Forum Front was MJ and that now that character is redundant. But that is based on my limited knowledge. So I am sure I could be wrong...
So that means the 'snippets' everyone was going gaga over were possible from this other guy??
e) I actually feel sorry for this troll. In the respect, that they must be absolutely dead and empty inside. For those who have been hurt by Twitter Front, don't feel bad or sad. The fact that you HURT makes you human and is a beautiful thing. You are real. For someone to do this it shows they are dead inside, morally bankrupt, empty and lonely. Its attention seeking behaviour because they have NOTHING and NO LIFE. You on the other hand have a beautiful life, friendships, love, family, emotions (which is why you got hurt) and that's ok, because you are real, they are not!
f) Finally my heart goes out to you Sweetsunset. Biggest hugs to you!! I have seen your tweets and I can see that you are taking this extremely hard. Stay strong dear and think about the reasons you first realised/believed that MJ hoaxed his death.
Love to all and please be careful!
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d) This one is a question, for Bec, Souza or anyone else that can help. Are we sure that Forum Front is Twtr Front? What about family validation of Front? (Remember that thread) Can someone please explain that for us? I tend to think Forum Front and Twitter Front are different people. And hate to say it but I do still tend to think that Forum Front was MJ and that now that character is redundant. But that is based on my limited knowledge. So I am sure I could be wrong...
Never paid attention to that, but just read over it and I don't really see any validation. I think that if you want to see it, you are more likely to accept anything as validation. I do not see it, maybe someone else does and can explain it to you? I have seen bigger coincidences, lots of it is pretty much a stratch and the few left are probably really just a coincidence. If you troll that long, you will get some shit right. If I wouldn't have a life I would prove it, lol.
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@shamone. With respect to you, Souza didn't start this, the Trolls did imo. :icon_e_wink:
Meanwhile, does anyone know who is behind this blog? http://debunkingfakes.wordpress.com/
(I don't agree with it all, but I do with half of it)
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No idea but very interesting. Thanks for posting, Aussie. I think it's pretty obvious from Twitter front's replies to these allegations that he is a total fake. Truth indeed runs marathons. See ya twitter fraud.
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For those who haven't clicked on the wordpress link I posted, it actually debunks the 'Amsterdam' T shirt and other photos front has posted up on himself recently on Twtr
Def worth a look!
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Hey, if anyone wants to think MJ is dead because Front is a fake then so be it. I am not starting to convince people on that after 4+ years. That is the problem with trolls though, they make people doubt things that are so clear cut.
MJ is alive, if I am wrong then I will eat cow shit for a year.
The majority believe that MJ is alive before that these personages appear (TS and FRONT), all this shit makes me very angry,i do not understand to do this
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Hey guys. I know it's been awhile since I've been on here. I have been looking at this site here and there but not really posting cause I felt I had really nothing to contribute because I wasn't investigating anymore. However, I did notice all of this drama happening over the past few days and I just wanted to say sorry that all of this drama started with my thread. I just pray that everything resolves itself and everyone remembers to not let emotions get the best of them and to always think for yourself. That's all I have to say. Wish you all well and sending much love to everyone.
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O my goodness, the other day I tried to log in and site was down with unusual msg. set up. I swear God I thought to myself of Mo who could have done sneaky things here for known reason. Today I read this and just got big smile on my face. Then I recalled how many times I was slammed for telling Front is not back, not MJ, etc.... but that's ok. I knew time will put everything and everyone on its place. halleluya!
Could not think though Pure Love will make such cheap move.
Ok, back to Back. Who are you dude? Are you Back from MJJC that changed its user name to "this is no MJ"?
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Could not think though Pure Love will make such cheap move.
Agree with you and hope she's not being used
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If Front is a troll or an impostor do not know, he never claimed to be MJ and I did, it was assumed that, so I left no wound.
Just take a look at tweeter and are all like crazy, I have to think a little about tweeter Front and the Front forum.
Souza I want to know, since when you know that Front is KBW?
The fact that Front is a counterfeiter does not change what happened on 6-09 and is just why I'm here, I feel a bit sorry for having been led by the nose, by a person who just wanted attention ...
We must continue, this can not be put into question if MJ is dead, the facts are in sight and that's what counts.
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@Marumjj In his last two tweets he implies he is MJ. So no one is assuming.
Meanwhile each twt is being more and more desperate. SO not MJ. His reaction itself shows that, as bec said.
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@shamone. With respect to you, Souza didn't start this, the Trolls did imo. :icon_e_wink:
Meanwhile, does anyone know who is behind this blog? http://debunkingfakes.wordpress.com/
(I don't agree with it all, but I do with half of it)
I once saw Tony Foote(@TheUpperFoot) stating this blog in one of his tweets to front. Maybe it's him.
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Yes, the blog you mention is by Tony@TheUpperFoot, just like Thriller4ever said.
Tony just recently called Front out in a Twitlonger and asked him to answer one simple question with YES or NO.
The question was: Are you Michael Jackson?
I don´t think he ever received an answer though.
EDIT Sep 9 2013: I made a mistake. This isn´t Tony´s blog, he just mentioned it. Tony´s blog is http://hoaxcrispies.wordpress.com/ (http://hoaxcrispies.wordpress.com/)
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I don't even know what to say....(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad006.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
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And my opinion on front?
If he is MJ he is very sick for showing pics and so called clues.
Better spending his precious time on his kids instead hours on twitter and the internet.
If he/she is not MJ....same illness.
And i know front is following every bit.
So dude this one is special for you.......FUCK YOU!
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I don't even know what to say....(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad006.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Well, I do!
It's another circus! Confusion! Deja vu! So keep watching guys! The best is yet to come!
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I don't know what happened to my last tweet some hours ago. I think I wrote, what about the AEG trial, "Trouble at the Front", where 'Front' was even capitalized, and mentioned about 7 times. What about the Front clues that were echoed clearly by Paris, etc. in Sarahli's collection thread. At the CM trial the pumpkin that moved and 99 bottles of propofol predicted. MJJC also tweeted that Back was not MJ (because MJ was dead), meaning that even if Front is a fake such as Paul Bergman, then Back is also being faked by someone else, also SOTT going back to 2002. When Pearl and Debbie R were having the major fight on twitter, Front talked in a familiar way with Debbie, and though Debbie said ppl were crazy for believing MJ was alive, she never called Front out for leading people on that he was MJ. She was actually quite pleasant/rough kidding around with him.
There's also a distinct possibility that Sony, the Estate and MJ's family are indeed creating a colossal lie, and themselves hired/collaborating/orchestrating the hoax to make money and to enliven the whole music industry. Certainly we've been hearing this dark version of what happened in MJ's life and on June 25/09 many times, but pushed it all away because we believed MJ is alive and directing this show. Perhaps long ago, Back, Sott, TS, Front, Pablo, the two trials of C Murray and KJ/AEG have been planned and all the characters scouted for the most talent, and paid handsomely. Perhaps TPTB truly did victimize MJ and we have been fooled into thinking he was free to create and direct. Perhaps MJ was only an MK-ultra, mind-controlled for the agenda of TPTB/Illuminati/whatever for a massive take-over of the world. Perhaps they will use all this to introduce a fake messiah, the Anti-christ type figure, as we have talked of before. There have been hints that major players such as Coca-cola, Sony, Harvey Levin, those who run Hollywood, etc. etc. are working together on this. Even TS' hint that the FBI were involved always was a red flag to me, since they were involved in the whole deception of 911, invasion of Iraq, and the thousands/millions of innocent deaths. I don't feel this Front troll (if true) is acting alone for only the reason of getting some attention, but that he is hired and paid as a top-notch actor in a much bigger project.
Then there's the matter of Dave Dave looking like MJ, blond lady at the memorial, the 'Michael' album inclusion of Jason Malachi songs--these could all be again hired impersonators of MJ trying fool people into believing it was MJ. Then there's the matter of the doubles namely the 2 people that both seem to be MJ--they have 2 different heights, 5'9" and 5'11", and 2 different chins, and 2 different ears, and 2 different lips.
The problem with my above points, is that MJ himself seemed to perpetuate or be involved in this as in the TII reheasals, masks, make-up, wigs, heels, lighting. I don't where I'm going with all this, but it would seem we are all back to the basics of knowing nothing really for sure, because everything can be made to look like it was planned by MJ himself, when it was planned by others with sinister agendas.
MJ may or may not be alive, but I'm starting to feel this is more likely intended to be another Elvis situation, with a perpetual conspiracy theory going forever that he is alive but never confirmed. A mind trap. I've trusted my gut instincts but obviously have been fooled by this Front fake (if true) who is incredibly smart/gifted as an actor/writer. So much so, I must actually congratulate him on his achievement. I'm reminded of MJ's words in TII, "We want to show them talent like they've never seen before." I'm on the fence about all this.
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You know MJonmind it really is enough to do anyone's head in. Mine included cause I know I saw Paris retweet one of twitter fronts tweets to Sunset way back at the beginning of the trial and then delete it. I can't prove it but I can't unsee it either. It made me entertain a theory that Anthony Jackson and the kids were maybe playing with us at our expense. [probably cause Anthony has the build to pull off the front pics with a bit of photo shop help] Don't know why I'm throwing this out there, I have no backup for it except this thought has crossed my mind from time to time. Sorry to bring you into this vortex of confusion Anthony if you have nothing whatsoever to do with this.
It seems we've been played...and played well.
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Good morning, I still have a headache thanks to all of this ..... >:(
@MJonmind, thank you for posting that. That was exactly my thoughts, but I couldn't write it that way :)
I remember myself writing a long time ago, saying something like:
"If TS and Front turns out to be fake, I have to congratulate them for their archievement."
So when this is in fact a fraud, then well done! Even though I can't believe it, or something like that..
There were far the many "coincidences" IMO. For me - at this point- (at least Forum) Front has to be "in" in some kind of way.
Wel catch you all later, it time to start working :-) Have a great day y'all
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Thanks @Australian MJ Believer for posting the blog about debunking the fakes. I joined the forums here long after everything with Back and Front and I never really got why people followed these internet personalities with such blind faith. The blog is a good summary of the history of these personalities in our hoax community and now it makes more sense to me why people are upset. It's really a shame they had to spoil the hoax experience for some unsuspecting members of our family.
I just know that if I were MJ and I hoaxed my death, I'd be chillin' on an island somewhere, and as someone else mentioned, spending time with my kids. I wouldn't be trolling forums and Twitter playing (cruel) games with my fans. That's why it never even occurred to me for a second that Back/Front/whomever could actually be the real MJ as some ppl believe(d).
Please let's all get back (!) to research and stop obsessing over a few trolls. Our belief in this hoax did not start with them, it began with The Man Himself. :abouttime:
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@Aussie
Forum front = twitter front
When TF was asked about why he doesn't log onto the forum...he said something like he has, then the same day or next day he posted on here. So I guess s/he or them used it as validation that front twitter = forum front.
When I first heard about twitter front I was sceptical because something didn't sit right but then I started to believe he might be legit. Now I don't have an answer.
Oh and if front is fake then so is TR777. I also find it weird that after TR777 made his 'prediction', front shows up on a rant about posers/fakes.
Anyway, I don't put it past anyone...I mean remember michaeljacksonfakeddeath.com?
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Speaking of validations...
If twitter front is fake and if he is in fact forum front (which he somewhat validated) then ts_comments is fake as he validated front (they also validated each other)...and ts_comments is most likely TS so then he would be fake too.
But if all that is true, how did TS do the numerology that no one can, and still hasn't figured out?
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My point exactly
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Wow. This is mighty confusing... :confused:
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I also agree about the "twitter front -> forum front -> ts_comments -> TS" - domino-effect :Crash:
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I'm not entirely convinced that twitter fraud = forum front, though I do not rule it out.
I'm also not entirely convinced that we should throw TS/TS_comments under the bus along with twitter fraud either. That one is so slippery he may have indulged our perceptions as he was known to support false leads from time to time.
But I do know that back @MJJC goes right to the top re: 'keep-a-watchin" @:18 of official TII trailer. So if back is a fake then MJ is dead and Sony is all over it.
And I don't believe that.
Because for starters I don't believe Paris would participate in a mega corporation's fan deception of her late father's image/personality in such a deep intimately personal way. Nor LaToya Jackson, and you'll recall she was in on this too for a time.
I also don't believe Sony COULD have the foresight n intuition necessary to sow the seeds of this deception which involves the future death of their mega celebrity 4 years in the future, in regards to back @MJJC. That's just too much and I don't buy it.
So let's not get too excited here n start throwing the baby out with the bath water. Let's take a deep breath and seriously sift through the info/events that led us to this juncture.
Twitter Front is obviously fake. All you have to do is read his responses to this challenge and it's clear. Remember how TS handled himself in the face of similar challenges. Quite a different breed all together.
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I'm not entirely convinced that twitter fraud = forum front, though I do not rule it out. AGREE, why I also said to Sunset, that TF saw a 'gap in the market' left by forum front.
I'm also not entirely convinced that we should throw TS/TS_comments under the bus along with twitter fraud either. AGREE
But I do know that back @MJJC goes right to the top re: 'keep-a-watchin" @:18 of official TII trailer. So if back is a fake then MJ is dead and Sony is all over it.
And I don't believe that. AND AGREE :)
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hate to say it, but I still think forum front was MJ and that TS was at least an insider. the spiritual depth of TS was more than the average troll. i don't know what that means.
but yeah...
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Where we stand at this point it doesn't matter if forum front was real or not, it's gone so it doesn't matter. It was also a dead end; no info came out of it, no validations, no clues to the source, no predictions of things to come, just fluff n time killing, so forum front=irrelevancy. Back @mjjc is all that really matters (in regards to legit or not).
As soon as forum front started that strip tease (pics) back in 2011, red flags started going off in my mind. That just never sat right with me.
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Thanks @Australian MJ Believer for posting the blog about debunking the fakes. I joined the forums here long after everything with Back and Front and I never really got why people followed these internet personalities with such blind faith. The blog is a good summary of the history of these personalities in our hoax community and now it makes more sense to me why people are upset. It's really a shame they had to spoil the hoax experience for some unsuspecting members of our family.
I just know that if I were MJ and I hoaxed my death, I'd be chillin' on an island somewhere, and as someone else mentioned, spending time with my kids. I wouldn't be trolling forums and Twitter playing (cruel) games with my fans. That's why it never even occurred to me for a second that Back/Front/whomever could actually be the real MJ as some ppl believe(d).
Please let's all get back (!) to research and stop obsessing over a few trolls. Our belief in this hoax did not start with them, it began with The Man Himself. :abouttime:
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One thing I do know... I hate to see Hoax Fam divided like this :-\
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Strip tease pics like forum front used to post, and now twitter fraud... not classy. It dropped the collective IQ of the convo like a stone off a cliff.
Makes sense why twitter fraud took to twitter in the first place, it's Keyboardwizz's venue of choice for fake MJ trolling. Love how he's using the old thisisalmostit twitter account to "set the record straight". Using his old fake MJ account to insist he's not pretending to be MJ again. This is a truly fucked up individual. Wonder how the parents of those kids he teaches would feel if they knew what he does online.
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The interesting thing is how Twitter and the other forums are pointing all their hate at me. Like old times I guess. I am not the topc starter, I am not Back. I said it made sense and if people would know what I know they would think the same. I simply can't say everything for the same reason I have been saying for years: I made a promise to someone to keep my mouth shut! And I will. If that means people will start the hate game again, so be it.
I want trolls to be outed, even if I might have trusted the troll or doubted his authenticity at start. Front seemed legit to me for reasons explained above, but started to do stupid stuff. I see people on the other forum saying I am controlling and jealous because Front left, but every member here will know I first moved Front to HoaxBook, then off the forum completely. I don't give a rat's ass where (s)he joins or posts, I have seen Front's trollish behaviour for a while now. But since people ALWAYS bash me and say I censor, I can't just throw people off the forum like that, plus I was still confused because I know Mo can't pull off Front's English most of the time. But this makes sense, period. It is MY JOB to protect members on here. What they do outside his forum is not my problem, but on this forum I AM RESPONSIBLE. So as soon as I know there is a troll starting to get dangerous, like Front is doing with MANY naive followers, then I OPEN MY MOUTH. If people don't like that, they should start to wonder WHY they don't like it. I know why they don't.
I KNOW Front is a BIG FAT TROLL, I just didn't know who it was. Now I think I have that straight in my head too. Plus I learned A LOT about certain members from here and I never forget anything. We will see who has the last laugh, because I know for sure that sooner rather than later most of them will VANISH into thin air out of embarrassement and then come back under a different name to kiss my ass.
Those who want to waste their time on trolls, please do so but don't come running back in tears when you found out that you were chasing an illusion.
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I don't even know what to say....(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad006.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Well, I do!
It's another circus! Confusion! Deja vu! So keep watching guys! The best is yet to come!
Yes, it appears there is a war/circus going on here that I have neither the energy nor inclination to investigate.(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen041.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Who's following who's twitter...who's got which forum...which "insider" has the clues...blah,blah,blah.... :icon_e_confused:
TS...TS_comments....Front...Back....Sideways or whoever else is "suppose to be on the inside"...I could care less!
If people out there are twisted enough to play with other people's minds, I have one word for them....KARMA!
I know Michael Jackson is alive.
I only come here to gather information to validate this point.
The rest of it is smoke and mirrors. :Crash:
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I'm not entirely convinced that twitter fraud = forum front, though I do not rule it out.
I'm also not entirely convinced that we should throw TS/TS_comments under the bus along with twitter fraud either. That one is so slippery he may have indulged our perceptions as he was known to support false leads from time to time.
But I do know that back @MJJC goes right to the top re: 'keep-a-watchin" @:18 of official TII trailer. So if back is a fake then MJ is dead and Sony is all over it.
And I don't believe that.
Because for starters I don't believe Paris would participate in a mega corporation's fan deception of her late father's image/personality in such a deep intimately personal way. Nor LaToya Jackson, and you'll recall she was in on this too for a time.
I also don't believe Sony COULD have the foresight n intuition necessary to sow the seeds of this deception which involves the future death of their mega celebrity 4 years in the future, in regards to back @MJJC. That's just too much and I don't buy it.
So let's not get too excited here n start throwing the baby out with the bath water. Let's take a deep breath and seriously sift through the info/events that led us to this juncture.
Twitter Front is obviously fake. All you have to do is read his responses to this challenge and it's clear. Remember how TS handled himself in the face of similar challenges. Quite a different breed all together.
I remember when Paris tweeted a poem including the word Swingset nickname given to me by Front after I posted something to Front at the Back&Front thread and she deleted some time later. I also remember LaToya's tweet about "Left Overs" after TS_comments posted something about: "Left Overs on a silver Platter" or something similar so if Front Forum was this pathetic Paul then he has bonds with Jackson family and is living in L.A, lol, or Paris Jackson, LaToya Jackson and Michael Jackson Facebook are fakes what I don't believe for a second, easy to know why I don't believe those twitters are fake because they show so many pics of the owners that it would be something illegal plus nobody might get all these private pics so easily. And I talk about Michael Jackson Facebook because I don't know if you remember that I said to Front talking about BAM and CM documentary as follows: Please Michael make it to Spain too and a few hours later Michael Jackson Facebook posted something in spanish giving instructions on what channel would be aired CM documentary what made me stay astonished.
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Quote from MJonmind:
"There's also a distinct possibility that Sony, the Estate and MJ's family are indeed creating a colossal lie, and themselves hired/collaborating/orchestrating the hoax to make money and to enliven the whole music industry. Certainly we've been hearing this dark version of what happened in MJ's life and on June 25/09 many times, but pushed it all away because we believed MJ is alive and directing this show."
I have been worrying about this also, it seems like once Michael was out of the picture, EVERYONE is just so busy making money off of him, writing books about him, doing interviews about him, filing bogus suits against him, singing his songs, dancing like him, copying him, media and tabloids mentioning his name just for the sake of grabbing attention and ratings including making up lies about him..............
Also from MJonmind:
"MJ may or may not be alive, but I'm starting to feel this is more likely intended to be another Elvis situation, with a perpetual conspiracy theory going forever that he is alive but never confirmed."
I fear this too as long as everyone else continues to make money that is all they care about...........
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The interesting thing is how Twitter and the other forums are pointing all their hate at me. Like old times I guess. I am not the topc starter, I am not Back. I said it made sense and if people would know what I know they would think the same. I simply can't say everything for the same reason I have been saying for years: I made a promise to someone to keep my mouth shut! And I will. If that means people will start the hate game again, so be it.
I want trolls to be outed, even if I might have trusted the troll or doubted his authenticity at start. Front seemed legit to me for reasons explained above, but started to do stupid stuff. I see people on the other forum saying I am controlling and jealous because Front left, but every member here will know I first moved Front to HoaxBook, then off the forum completely. I don't give a rat's ass where (s)he joins or posts, I have seen Front's trollish behaviour for a while now. But since people ALWAYS bash me and say I censor, I can't just throw people off the forum like that, plus I was still confused because I know Mo can't pull off Front's English most of the time. But this makes sense, period. It is MY JOB to protect members on here. What they do outside his forum is not my problem, but on this forum I AM RESPONSIBLE. So as soon as I know there is a troll starting to get dangerous, like Front is doing with MANY naive followers, then I OPEN MY MOUTH. If people don't like that, they should start to wonder WHY they don't like it. I know why they don't.
I KNOW Front is a BIG FAT TROLL, I just didn't know who it was. Now I think I have that straight in my head too. Plus I learned A LOT about certain members from here and I never forget anything. We will see who has the last laugh, because I know for sure that sooner rather than later most of them will VANISH into thin air out of embarrassement and then come back under a different name to kiss my ass.
Those who want to waste their time on trolls, please do so but don't come running back in tears when you found out that you were chasing an illusion.
Don't worry all make sense, the pathetic Paul has the same shape as Michael's body so it could very well be him the one on Front pics pretending to be Michael, lol how delusional and on top of that he is a musician so now I can figure out those shitty snippets, lol, what a shame that we believed those snippets might belong to Michael's artworks :icon_twisted: as I have just tweeted him: do you believe in Kharma? so you are gonna pay dearly :images:
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I've been keeping my distance and just watching this drama unfold. Suspicious about pretty much everyone and everything now, which is probably how I should have been all along. Isn't that the first rule of online interaction? Anyway, valuable lessons have been learnt. So, I'll keep watching, because I'll admit it's gripping, in a 'watching car crash' sort of way. But I have no expectations from this any more. Going back to basics, before forums and 'characters' muddied the waters. Sorry, if that sounds harsh to members here. I know many are genuine, well-meaning, trustworthy people, but I'm certain we have unwittingly helped each other along in our 'delusion', and that MJ's death hoax is nothing like we've allowed ourselves to be led to believe.
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wow wow !! Never expected this to happen ! , totally confusing and making people divided but ... One Thing I'm sure of
That Michael Joe Jackson is ALIVE ! , Maybe i used to believe in front as a part of this but Not MJ of course , and i really got
in a crossroads finding it was a Fraud ! When it comes to the forum and the lines being crossed
like the way "Souza" Described it it's just ugly for someone to Violat the privacy like that Really "You're so damn disrespectable "
But in my opinion The Twitter "Fraud" front is NOT the forum front or at least not convinced yet , so Agree with your ideas Bec
And "Back" of this thread is the "Back" we know ?! Not Sure !
Truly sorry for all the fans who thought that fraud is the man ! ..
as I have just tweeted him: do you believe in Kharma? so you are gonna pay dearly :images:
Yes You are right Sunset !
Anyways i will be backing this forum up No matter what , Because it's the only thing i Actually "Believe" in all of this Circus !
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Interesting.
I don't necessarily think it is a practical assessment; to state that the man who is behind the account is the man depicted in the first post. Although it is highly plausible, I can't attest that it is sensible to assert such claims without substantial evidence to support this. I will say however, this does not lend some credibility to front being Michael, either. From what I was able to retrieve from Front's posts, I found it remarkably suspicious that someone of michael's stature was unable to write thoroughly because I noticed by observing Front posts that he was unable to formulate articulate sentences which is highly uncharacteristic of Michael. Michael writes with such fluidity and ease that the complexities and sophistications which accompany him through his music also follow him through his writing. Something as incredibly simplistic as posting on a forum, given that michael has always been regarding himself as a perfectionist, would never allow himself to post inarticulately. When an individual is trying to convey a message, they cannot be taken seriously if the sentiments they use to send a message to the demographic of people they target do not resonate. Conversely, I feel that it's unconventional for michael to write without concrete structure and appropriation. Therefore, I can't see how this could Michael. Michael always conducts himself in an astute manner.
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all i know is most of those on twitter who pose as being a part of Michael's camp have turned out to be fake.
And I believe that TS/_comments is not fake...they were here on a purpose, which is completed according to them and maybe we are yet to catch the point.
Back from MJJC is definitely in the know....and i'm not sure about the back here at the forum.
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In the end, there is a significant amount of cynicism that is occurring here as opposed to optimism and realism. We have to start becoming realistically optimistic about our engagements and we can't jump to conclusions. Would michael post ubiquitously to garner attention for the thrill of it? Yeah, he could. but I don't think he would draw that much attention upon himself considering he wasn't too fond of that. He could be one of the users in this thread, posting in anonymity just for laughs and giggles!
the point is , never constitute presumptuous speculation as fact when it simply wording with no concrete substance.
Kind of like when an ignorant person believes that michael is a child molester without doing your research. so the media condemned him because they believe he is a child molester, everyone else is saying that in america so it must be true. NO! DONT TAKE IT AS FACT BECAUSE ITS NOT!
If front is posting cryptically, you can't just believe its michael because michael posts a certain way and therefore it must be him and arrive at that conclusion.
you have to be sure.
Just like when you are attempting to marry your future spouse! If I offer a woman 100 dollars to kiss me and she kisses me, then she must want to marry me because she kissed me and I gave her 100 dollars to do it. you can't draw connections and links if there is no strength in link.
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Hi all ,this is Paul aka keyboardwizz, first of all I would kindly suggest to remove those pictures of mine, I find my privacy pretty violated. I m not active in the hoax community for more then 2 years now, so I'm kinda shocked and surprised someone linked my pictures and identity to this Front character...
I was notified about this by my good friend Mo about this. As soon as I noticed this I tried to register to MJDHI to set the record straight, but just by seeing my name I got banned....
So no, I'm not Front, not Back or Michael Jackson. Just a dude from Holland figuring out life...
Yes, once I pretended to be MJ by Twitter as suggested by Souza, whom stated at that time "those fans ar so guillable. they fall for anything"...
At first I liked the game but soon it became a platform for my own visions, inspirations and views on life... (Just like Front)
When I revealed myself and wanted to tell the truth I was banned... So someone is deliberately trying to create her own bubble of truth, and of course everybody has their own interpretations, but the mind is like a parachute, it works best when it's open....
So please don't waiste your time clinging on to someone elses dream, live your own life, go create, laugh and love...
It was a harsh lesson to see people calling me names, without even knowing me...
So get out there, live your dreams, show respect and smile...
Thank you for your time
@Moderators
Hope I am allowed to post it here? Otherwise, just delete it... Peace.
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But I do know that back @MJJC goes right to the top re: 'keep-a-watchin" @:18 of official TII trailer. So if back is a fake then MJ is dead and Sony is all over it.
And I don't believe that.
Because for starters I don't believe Paris would participate in a mega corporation's fan deception of her late father's image/personality in such a deep intimately personal way. Nor LaToya Jackson, and you'll recall she was in on this too for a time.
I also don't believe Sony COULD have the foresight n intuition necessary to sow the seeds of this deception which involves the future death of their mega celebrity 4 years in the future, in regards to back @MJJC. That's just too much and I don't buy it.
Who knows, Sony was trying to get hold of Michaels catalog for years, why not plan the deception for years. Maybe they were waiting for a chance, and they got it with 'This is It'. Not sure what will be their ultimate goal though.
I remember when Paris tweeted a poem including the word Swingset nickname given to me by Front after I posted something to Front at the Back&Front thread and she deleted some time later. I also remember LaToya's tweet about "Left Overs" after TS_comments posted something about: "Left Overs on a silver Platter" or something similar so if Front Forum was this pathetic Paul then he has bonds with Jackson family and is living in L.A, lol, or Paris Jackson, LaToya Jackson and Michael Jackson Facebook are fakes what I don't believe for a second, easy to know why I don't believe those twitters are fake because they show so many pics of the owners that it would be something illegal plus nobody might get all these private pics so easily. And I talk about Michael Jackson Facebook because I don't know if you remember that I said to Front talking about BAM and CM documentary as follows: Please Michael make it to Spain too and a few hours later Michael Jackson Facebook posted something in spanish giving instructions on what channel would be aired CM documentary what made me stay astonished.
@Bec, remember this about Sony?? This sort of confirmed for many 'believers' the whole hoax-idea!!
Berlin, Germany, September 2, 2009 - Sony Corporation (Sony) today announced "make.believe"
An old thread about a Sony make.believe add:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=12021
They used all kind of 'hoaxy' things to make us believe in THE HOAX, MICHAELS hoax! I believe with all my heart that Sony is all over it, be it on the good or on the bad side.
@Sweet, remember you said Sony has many private pictures of Paris, this was your post:
Quote from: sweetsunsetwithMJ on December 16, 2012, 07:49:30 PM
@Do I know what you are feeling and I am so sorry about it but listen: if Sony were really behind Front, TS their posts wouldn't be so elaborated and the whispers wouldn't be subtle but more direct so easy to be deciphered by the members here and concerning Paris' twitter how come that Sony has all kind of Paris' pics with her different haircut and colour dye? do you think Paris would give Sony her pics to be posted on a fake twitter to play with people (on this forum) that really love her father? it would be like throwing stones to herself unless Sony is making her do drugs (sorry Michael if you are reading).
Wouldn't it be better to play Michael's haters or maybe Sony hate so much Michael that wants just to play Michael's advocates?
I hope all this have a happy end for the sake of our mental health, specially mind.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=413;area=showposts;start=50
Paris shared her private pictures with Sony like you wrote in your post. Could it be hat Paris (and maybe Latoya and other siblings also) are very much influenced by Sony what to twitter at least for a while? The Estate made a deal with Sony for 250 million, who knows on what conditions??? To go along with the 'hoax' for awhile?
I feel the family is influenced by Sony, maybe because there was a whole lot of money at stake.
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Interesting.
I don't necessarily think it is a practical assessment; to state that the man who is behind the account is the man depicted in the first post. Although it is highly plausible, I can't attest that it is sensible to assert such claims without substantial evidence to support this. I will say however, this does not lend some credibility to front being Michael, either. From what I was able to retrieve from Front's posts, I found it remarkably suspicious that someone of michael's stature was unable to write thoroughly because I noticed by observing Front posts that he was unable to formulate articulate sentences which is highly uncharacteristic of Michael. Michael writes with such fluidity and ease that the complexities and sophistications which accompany him through his music also follow him through his writing. Something as incredibly simplistic as posting on a forum, given that michael has always been regarding himself as a perfectionist, would never allow himself to post inarticulately. When an individual is trying to convey a message, they cannot be taken seriously if the sentiments they use to send a message to the demographic of people they target do not resonate. Conversely, I feel that it's unconventional for michael to write without concrete structure and appropriation. Therefore, I can't see how this could Michael. Michael always conducts himself in an astute manner.
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I've never followed this dude "Front".... To me his posts were so intellectually "underdone"... O_o
I've always regarded him as troll but I was afraid to say it here...
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Hi all ,this is Paul aka keyboardwizz, first of all I would kindly suggest to remove those pictures of mine, I find my privacy pretty violated. I m not active in the hoax community for more then 2 years now, so I'm kinda shocked and surprised someone linked my pictures and identity to this Front character...
I was notified about this by my good friend Mo about this. As soon as I noticed this I tried to register to MJDHI to set the record straight, but just by seeing my name I got banned....
So no, I'm not Front, not Back or Michael Jackson. Just a dude from Holland figuring out life...
Yes, once I pretended to be MJ by Twitter as suggested by Souza, whom stated at that time "those fans ar so guillable. they fall for anything"...
At first I liked the game but soon it became a platform for my own visions, inspirations and views on life... (Just like Front)
When I revealed myself and wanted to tell the truth I was banned... So someone is deliberately trying to create her own bubble of truth, and of course everybody has their own interpretations, but the mind is like a parachute, it works best when it's open....
So please don't waiste your time clinging on to someone elses dream, live your own life, go create, laugh and love...
It was a harsh lesson to see people calling me names, without even knowing me...
So get out there, live your dreams, show respect and smile...
Thank you for your time
@Moderators
Hope I am allowed to post it here? Otherwise, just delete it... Peace.
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If that doesn't sound like an admission of guilt, I don't know what does.
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@Sweet, remember you said Sony has many private pictures of Paris, this was your post:
Quote from: sweetsunsetwithMJ on December 16, 2012, 07:49:30 PM
@Do I know what you are feeling and I am so sorry about it but listen: if Sony were really behind Front, TS their posts wouldn't be so elaborated and the whispers wouldn't be subtle but more direct so easy to be deciphered by the members here and concerning Paris' twitter how come that Sony has all kind of Paris' pics with her different haircut and colour dye? do you think Paris would give Sony her pics to be posted on a fake twitter to play with people (on this forum) that really love her father? it would be like throwing stones to herself unless Sony is making her do drugs (sorry Michael if you are reading).
Wouldn't it be better to play Michael's haters or maybe Sony hate so much Michael that wants just to play Michael's advocates?
I hope all this have a happy end for the sake of our mental health, specially mind.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=413;area=showposts;start=50
Paris shared her private pictures with Sony like you wrote in your post. Could it be hat Paris (and maybe Latoya and other siblings also) are very much influenced by Sony what to twitter at least for a while? The Estate made a deal with Sony for 250 million, who knows on what conditions??? To go along with the 'hoax' for awhile?
I feel the family is influenced by Sony, maybe because there was a whole lot of money at stake.
But @Do what are you talking about?? I maybe didn't express myself in a correct way, instead of the sentence I wrote: "How come that Sony has all kind of Paris' pics" I should have written as follows that is what I meant: " How Sony might have all those Paris' pics?" So what I meant with my post is that I have never suspected that Sony is behind the hoax, no way and as I said in my previous post Paris, LaToya and MJ Facebook are legit because they show pics that nobody could have but themselves, do you believe Jackson family would consent their names were used on somebody's twitter? I don't.
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@Sweet, the language-barrier, eh!? :icon_redface:
Like I said, I'm not on twitter so I am not aware what's going on over there but still, I don't understand: so did Sony have 'private' pictures of Paris? Because that's what I understood from your post?
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@Sweet, the language-barrier, eh!? :icon_redface:
Like I said, I'm not on twitter so I am not aware what's going on over there but still, I don't understand: so did Sony have 'private' pictures of Paris? Because that's what I understood from your post?
NO, to have private pictures of a minor is a crime, it's a farfetched idea that I don't know where you got it from, please don't put words where there are not.
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What I mean are pictures that nobody could have but themselves, like you wrote! Not THAT kind of pictures (what makes you think of that???)
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Mo has also posted on PureLove's forum now and Twitter Front has tweeted a link to it (so I'm not going to!)
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What I mean are pictures that nobody could have but themselves, like you wrote! Not THAT kind of pictures (what makes you think of that???)
@Do you are driving me crazy, I am talking about the pics that Paris posted on her twitter account nothing more than that, they are private pics and she is a minor I am not talking about another kind of pics I don't know what are you thinking about??.
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Mo has also posted on PureLove's forum now and Twitter Front has tweeted a link to it (so I'm not going to!)
What has she said and under what nickname has she registered?? Why do you know is Mo?? I don't see any Mo over there.
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Just to clarify, because I know very well how easily things are misunderstood and hasty decisions and assumptions are made, I am not on Twitter and have not joined PureLove's forum ... and I won't be doing either. And I have not necessarily thrown out all my views on what's what, just because of all this recent drama, but I have climbed back on to that fence where one can observe both sides, and all around, more clearly.
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no links to the outcasts/fraud worshippers forum please. thx
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Not that anyone will care either way :icon_lol: but I have followed 'Front' on Twitter for a while out of general nosiness :icon_redface: not because I believed he was MJ. I also joined that forum as I thought they might have some info as to why this one was down and who had 'upset' Souza.
I'm not a proper 'believer' like most people here, but am interested enough to keep popping in. I would call myself a 'hoper' ! :icon_e_ugeek:
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Not that anyone will care either way :icon_lol: but I have followed 'Front' on Twitter for a while out of general nosiness :icon_redface: not because I believed he was MJ. I also joined that forum as I thought they might have some info as to why this one was down and who had 'upset' Souza.
I'm not a proper 'believer' like most people here, but am interested enough to keep popping in. I would call myself a 'hoper' ! :icon_e_ugeek:
Just like to dip your toes in and not get too wet? :icon_lol: Better watch no one pushes you in!!
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Not that anyone will care either way :icon_lol: but I have followed 'Front' on Twitter for a while out of general nosiness :icon_redface: not because I believed he was MJ. I also joined that forum as I thought they might have some info as to why this one was down and who had 'upset' Souza.
I'm not a proper 'believer' like most people here, but am interested enough to keep popping in. I would call myself a 'hoper' ! :icon_e_ugeek:
Hoper or Hopper? :LolLolLolLol:
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But I do know that back @MJJC goes right to the top re: 'keep-a-watchin" @:18 of official TII trailer. So if back is a fake then MJ is dead and Sony is all over it.
And I don't believe that.
Because for starters I don't believe Paris would participate in a mega corporation's fan deception of her late father's image/personality in such a deep intimately personal way. Nor LaToya Jackson, and you'll recall she was in on this too for a time.
I also don't believe Sony COULD have the foresight n intuition necessary to sow the seeds of this deception which involves the future death of their mega celebrity 4 years in the future, in regards to back @MJJC. That's just too much and I don't buy it.
Who knows, Sony was trying to get hold of Michaels catalog for years, why not plan the deception for years. Maybe they were waiting for a chance, and they got it with 'This is It'. Not sure what will be their ultimate goal though.
I remember when Paris tweeted a poem including the word Swingset nickname given to me by Front after I posted something to Front at the Back&Front thread and she deleted some time later. I also remember LaToya's tweet about "Left Overs" after TS_comments posted something about: "Left Overs on a silver Platter" or something similar so if Front Forum was this pathetic Paul then he has bonds with Jackson family and is living in L.A, lol, or Paris Jackson, LaToya Jackson and Michael Jackson Facebook are fakes what I don't believe for a second, easy to know why I don't believe those twitters are fake because they show so many pics of the owners that it would be something illegal plus nobody might get all these private pics so easily. And I talk about Michael Jackson Facebook because I don't know if you remember that I said to Front talking about BAM and CM documentary as follows: Please Michael make it to Spain too and a few hours later Michael Jackson Facebook posted something in spanish giving instructions on what channel would be aired CM documentary what made me stay astonished.
@Bec, remember this about Sony?? This sort of confirmed for many 'believers' the whole hoax-idea!!
Berlin, Germany, September 2, 2009 - Sony Corporation (Sony) today announced "make.believe"
An old thread about a Sony make.believe add:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=12021
They used all kind of 'hoaxy' things to make us believe in THE HOAX, MICHAELS hoax! I believe with all my heart that Sony is all over it, be it on the good or on the bad side.
@Sweet, remember you said Sony has many private pictures of Paris, this was your post:
Quote from: sweetsunsetwithMJ on December 16, 2012, 07:49:30 PM
@Do I know what you are feeling and I am so sorry about it but listen: if Sony were really behind Front, TS their posts wouldn't be so elaborated and the whispers wouldn't be subtle but more direct so easy to be deciphered by the members here and concerning Paris' twitter how come that Sony has all kind of Paris' pics with her different haircut and colour dye? do you think Paris would give Sony her pics to be posted on a fake twitter to play with people (on this forum) that really love her father? it would be like throwing stones to herself unless Sony is making her do drugs (sorry Michael if you are reading).
Wouldn't it be better to play Michael's haters or maybe Sony hate so much Michael that wants just to play Michael's advocates?
I hope all this have a happy end for the sake of our mental health, specially mind.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=413;area=showposts;start=50
Paris shared her private pictures with Sony like you wrote in your post. Could it be hat Paris (and maybe Latoya and other siblings also) are very much influenced by Sony what to twitter at least for a while? The Estate made a deal with Sony for 250 million, who knows on what conditions??? To go along with the 'hoax' for awhile?
I feel the family is influenced by Sony, maybe because there was a whole lot of money at stake.
Sure maybe, but I don't think so. Sony can't come up with this innovative of an ARG and restrict it to a tiny audience. Not to mention they can't influence the court and the coroner and the PD and the FD in such perfect harmony. If this hoax is real it's way over Sony's head. They don't create art, they just market and sell it. Sony needs a mastermind behind a project like this, a puppetmaster... an MJ.
Besides, everyone uses the word "believe", it's a popular slogan right now.
I have always rejected this theory because to me, it's further fetched then MJ simply faking his death as an entertainment spectacle.
If the theory had any footing the 'hoaxed hoax' concept would have had to have been whipped together in a few days time considering this theory requires MJ to actually be dead--under those circumstances--which was pretty much unexpected and sudden according to the official story. This hoax is way too vast to have been hastily prepared and executed on the fly. So no, in my opinion, this is not Sony's hoax.
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Hi all ,this is Paul aka keyboardwizz, first of all I would kindly suggest to remove those pictures of mine, I find my privacy pretty violated. I m not active in the hoax community for more then 2 years now, so I'm kinda shocked and surprised someone linked my pictures and identity to this Front character...
I was notified about this by my good friend Mo about this. As soon as I noticed this I tried to register to MJDHI to set the record straight, but just by seeing my name I got banned....
So no, I'm not Front, not Back or Michael Jackson. Just a dude from Holland figuring out life...
Yes, once I pretended to be MJ by Twitter as suggested by Souza, whom stated at that time "those fans ar so guillable. they fall for anything"...
At first I liked the game but soon it became a platform for my own visions, inspirations and views on life... (Just like Front)
When I revealed myself and wanted to tell the truth I was banned... So someone is deliberately trying to create her own bubble of truth, and of course everybody has their own interpretations, but the mind is like a parachute, it works best when it's open....
So please don't waiste your time clinging on to someone elses dream, live your own life, go create, laugh and love...
It was a harsh lesson to see people calling me names, without even knowing me...
So get out there, live your dreams, show respect and smile...
Thank you for your time
@Moderators
Hope I am allowed to post it here? Otherwise, just delete it... Peace.
:bearhug:
If that doesn't sound like an admission of guilt, I don't know what does.
Echoed my thoughts exactly. They got caught red handed. See at the end how he tries to get people to redirect their anger onto Souza? Same old game. Mo, I thought you were a better person then that. Wtf happened to you to hang around with this loser? "just like Front" <--puke.
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I have climbed
Mo has also posted on PureLove's forum now and Twitter Front has tweeted a link to it (so I'm not going to!)
Of course he did. Cuz they're bff's.
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Living in LA and being on pacific time zone, sometimes it gets pretty difficult to catch up with the rest of you who are several hours ahead. Yesterday just before I went to bed chappie had written a post about Front, Souza and Mo which now seems to be deleted. He had mentioned that he knew both Souza and Mo and respected both and said he always would. I don't know chappie I just knew that he was one of the moderators. In his post he was saying not to simply believe what someone is stating without having proof to support that belief.
We are being lied to everyday by our government, by the media, everything we read and hear has been manipulated to such a degree that the end result has barely any truth in it.
Souza, did I miss something here? If I did please let me know otherwise I don't understand all the secrecy and censorship? I understand about keeping the forum clean and free of trolls, but at the same time we are here to investigate, ask questions and find out what the truth is. I'm not siding with anyone, just want to understand and get to the truth which seems to be getting further away from us every day.........
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Living in LA and being on pacific time zone, sometimes it gets pretty difficult to catch up with the rest of you who are several hours ahead. Yesterday just before I went to bed chappie had written a post about Front, Souza and Mo which now seems to be deleted. He had mentioned that he knew both Souza and Mo and respected both and said he always would. I don't know chappie I just knew that he was one of the moderators. In his post he was saying not to simply believe what someone is stating without having proof to support that belief.
We are being lied to everyday by our government, by the media, everything we read and hear has been manipulated to such a degree that the end result has barely any truth in it.
Souza, did I miss something here? If I did please let me know otherwise I don't understand all the secrecy and censorship? I understand about keeping the forum clean and free of trolls, but at the same time we are here to investigate, ask questions and find out what the truth is. I'm not siding with anyone, just want to understand and get to the truth which seems to be getting further away from us every day.........
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From an investigative point of view, this is just terrible... What it comes down to is basically, who do you trust, Souza or Mo? Don't just take their word for it, take their word for it!... lol... There is no possible way for me to verify either side of this... Is there?
I would like this new "back" user to provide more info, a back-story supported by evidence maybe? What ties this 'Paul' guy and 'Mo' to twitter-Front's account? More than pure speculations and a hate-motive?
Just thinking out loud here! Peace.
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Souza, did I miss something here? If I did please let me know otherwise I don't understand all the secrecy and censorship? I understand about keeping the forum clean and free of trolls, but at the same time we are here to investigate, ask questions and find out what the truth is. I'm not siding with anyone, just want to understand and get to the truth which seems to be getting further away from us every day.........
The only posts removed were by me that involved a banned members thoughts being relayed here. Banned members have no voice here, if they were allowed to have one they wouldn't be banned in the first place. The only other posts removed, or that were edited, were posts linking to a forum run by banned members who have their own agenda to hate on this forum.
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And my opinion on front?
If he is MJ he is very sick for showing pics and so called clues.
Better spending his precious time on his kids instead hours on twitter and the internet.
If he/she is not MJ....same illness.
And i know front is following every bit.
So dude this one is special for you.......FUCK YOU!
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I saw that post to..followed by this one.
I also did not understand why it was deleted..i thought i saw it wrong later?
But i thought maybe there is someone who is playing both..Souza and Mo?
To get them in a fight or so??
I dont know..but that crossed my mind.(sorry for my English)
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I think we should focus on the hoax and put a lock on private lives, we are here for Michael and that's what matters. The reason why I said that "if" Front is a fake (being MJ or just an insider that doesn't change this situation) I think Michael could probably be dead is because I started to follow this forum after Front joined it as a member and although I heard about the hoax before I joined this forum I never believed Michael being alive however after reading Front posts I was starting to believe to the point of believing that Michael was really alive, all his posts made all sense to me and seemed to be connected in one way or another to the hoax and validated by Paris, LaToya, Jermaine or MJ Facebook, I tell you one thing if these Paul and Mo are really Front and/or TS kudos to them because they made an impeccable job.
Now I would like to ask you all: the concept of BAM is something that came out of Front or we all are assuming a future BAM because Michael said it on TII or we think he meant that?? I think our investigation since 2 years ago are based on assumptions over Front/TS posts and that's what make me doubt about Michael being alive, right now this Front sentence is coming to my mind ➜ "BAD HEALTH...I DON'T THINK SO" that made me think that Michael is totally healthy and that he was not that drug addict that media was talking about.
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I think we should focus on the hoax and put a lock on private lives, we are here for Michael and that's what matters. The reason why I said that "if" Front is a fake (being MJ or just an insider that doesn't change this situation) I think Michael could probably be dead is because I started to follow this forum after Front joined it as a member and although I heard about the hoax before I joined this forum I never believed Michael being alive however after reading Front posts I was starting to believe to the point of believing that Michael was really alive, all his posts made all sense to me and seemed to be connected in one way or another to the hoax and validated by Paris, LaToya, Jermaine or MJ Facebook, I tell you one thing if these Paul and Mo are really Front and/or TS kudos to them because they made an impeccable job.
Now I would like to ask you all: the concept of BAM is something that came out of Front or we all are assuming a future BAM because Michael said it on TII or we think he meant that?? I think our investigation since 2 years ago are based on assumptions over Front/TS posts and that's what make me doubt about Michael being alive, right now this Front sentence is coming to my mind ➜ "BAD HEALTH...I DON'T THINK SO" that made me think that Michael is totally healthy and that he was not that drug addict that media was talking about.
BAM came from This is It (cleverly edited by Sony?) and also TS/TS_comments predicted four (!) possible BAM dates, one in 2009, two in 2010 and one in 2012.
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I think we should focus on the hoax and put a lock on private lives, we are here for Michael and that's what matters. The reason why I said that "if" Front is a fake (being MJ or just an insider that doesn't change this situation) I think Michael could probably be dead is because I started to follow this forum after Front joined it as a member and although I heard about the hoax before I joined this forum I never believed Michael being alive however after reading Front posts I was starting to believe to the point of believing that Michael was really alive, all his posts made all sense to me and seemed to be connected in one way or another to the hoax and validated by Paris, LaToya, Jermaine or MJ Facebook, I tell you one thing if these Paul and Mo are really Front and/or TS kudos to them because they made an impeccable job.
Now I would like to ask you all: the concept of BAM is something that came out of Front or we all are assuming a future BAM because Michael said it on TII or we think he meant that?? I think our investigation since 2 years ago are based on assumptions over Front/TS posts and that's what make me doubt about Michael being alive, right now this Front sentence is coming to my mind ➜ "BAD HEALTH...I DON'T THINK SO" that made me think that Michael is totally healthy and that he was not that drug addict that media was talking about.
Sweet.....the concept of the BAM came way before Front ever existed on this Forum.....I've been here (and all the previous incarnations to this site) since August 2009 (loyalty???) ....the BAM concept came from when "This Is It" was released.
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Adi + Do thank you guys your answer is a relief to me Phewww!!
So our assumptions over last year BAM being Dec 21st was just smoke because according to this pic of TII Michael and one dancer are pointing to the clock that says: "12:20" that was the exact time that Michael died ➜ After a call was placed to 9-1-1 at 12:20 pm, Jackson was treated by paramedics at the scene and was later pronounced dead at the Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center. ➜ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Michael_Jackson
Now remains the question of what does the other time "10:20" mean?? will it mean the time Michael will reappear in public eye?? Remember these clocks appeared while said: "The Greatest Demostration of Freedom".
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/screenuju.png)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnDKizmvalE[/youtube]
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No, it came months before that. We were talking about a comeback on the old .com in July n August of 2009. TS coined the term "bamsday", but not the theory.
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And ps. those aren't clocks. They're just lights and light distortion.
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Sure maybe, but I don't think so. Sony can't come up with this innovative of an ARG and restrict it to a tiny audience.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_(alternate_reality_game)
About the ARG XI:
Patrick O’Luanaigh told Edge magazine that nDreams "ended up doing 12 spaces, 24 minigames, 108 videos and four huge websites." He also mentioned that "By and large" everything went according to plan. nDreams had a chart that was 12 weeks long and that every weekday, something new was happening. "Getting in on Sony’s project early meant nDreams found itself in a privileged position" notes Edge magazine. "We were able to really push Home," says O’Luanaigh. "We were given carte blanche to mess around." He also notes how the company was fortunate that there was a fairly large Home community already there and were really satisfied how people of different languages were communicating with each other by posting in other forums, not of their own language, and helping each other out to solve Xi. "Normally, language players are fairly separate. It’s rare for people to interact like that, and it’s really satisfying" says O'Luanaigh.[4]
Bec, I don't want to push my opinion into your face, I'm just trying to find out WHAT is going on. Sony CAN come up with an ARG like that, it's their business! Whether or not done by themselves, whether or not it's for home-entertainment like playstation, the concept stays the same.
Not to mention they can't influence the court and the coroner and the PD and the FD in such perfect harmony. If this hoax is real it's way over Sony's head. They don't create art, they just market and sell it. Sony needs a mastermind behind a project like this, a puppetmaster... an MJ.
Reallyyyyyyy far fetched: What if the coroner, PD and FD are in this ARG as generously paid puppetmasters? Remember that we found out some were also actors??? What if Sony was trying to use MJ to pull off this ARG? What if MJ found out (I remember Jermaine writing in his book that Michael overheard a conversation between a so-called friend and a high Sony executive and left upset, he didn't write what the conversation was about unfortunately). Michael out thought them, felt that it fitted is own plans and is playing along? I'm grasping everything I can, I know, but THEN this would be the Greatest show on earth, a real Truman Story!! The family can continue to claim they didn't know that Michael hoaxed his death, thus the trial against AEG. And.......the blame goes to Sony!
Puppetmaster – A puppetmaster or "PM" is an individual involved in designing and/or running an ARG. Puppetmasters are simultaneously allies and adversaries to the player base, creating obstacles and providing resources for overcoming them in the course of telling the game's story. Puppetmasters generally remain behind the curtain while a game is running. The real identity of puppet masters may or may not be known ahead of time.
Could be the bloggers, trolls, fronts, backs,TS's, coroners, you name it. Could be Michael ofcourse!
Besides, everyone uses the word "believe", it's a popular slogan right now.
Yeah, but Sony was REAL quick, as in september 2, 2009! Everyone else would also take some piece of the pie.
I have always rejected this theory because to me, it's further fetched then MJ simply faking his death as an entertainment spectacle.
Well, you, just like me, are also a bit switching between the different possibilities! :beerchug: But one option doesn't have to exclude the possibility of the other option.
If the theory had any footing the 'hoaxed hoax' concept would have had to have been whipped together in a few days time considering this theory requires MJ to actually be dead--under those circumstances--which was pretty much unexpected and sudden according to the official story. This hoax is way too vast to have been hastily prepared and executed on the fly. So no, in my opinion, this is not Sony's hoax.
Could be Sony's and Michael's hoax. A co-production or a huge counterattack.
More about ARG
The Curtain – The curtain, drawing from the phrase, “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain,” is generally a metaphor for the separation between the puppetmasters and the players.[3] This can take the traditional form of absolute secrecy regarding the puppetmasters' identities and involvement with the production, or refer merely to the convention that puppetmasters do not communicate directly with players through the game, interacting instead through the characters and the game's design.
Rabbithole/Trailhead – A rabbithole, or trailhead, marks the first media artifact, be it a website, contact, or puzzle, that draws in players. Most ARGs employ a number of trailheads in several media to maximize the probability of people discovering the game. Typically, the rabbithole is a website, the most easily updated, cost-effective option.
This Is Not A Game (TINAG) – Setting the ARG form apart from other games is the This Is Not A Game sentiment popularized by the players themselves. It is the belief that “one of the main goals of the ARG is to deny and disguise the fact that it is even a game at all.”
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And ps. those aren't clocks. They're just lights and light distortion.
So why are Michael and the dancer pointing to the upper one and the guitar player to the one below??
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MJ: because it's a dance move. Guitar player: coincidence she happened to have her finger straight. They aren't pointing "at" anything. They aren't clocks. You can see in the movie when you watch that scene.
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Just wanted to explain why this topic was locked and Paul's pics removed. He sent me an email with the request to remove them, or else he would send his lawyer. There are many ways for me to keep them up but frankly I am tired of the drama and I don't want to spend any time on people that irritate me. You all know his name and face and that should be enough. It doesn't mean I changed my mind on the issue, no matter what they might say or post or start shit that was buried years ago. But there has been enough attention to them and I am sick of the DISGUSTING tweets and posts I read about people judging me, while I didn't even start the fucking post. But that is nothing new, let's say this was a good opportunity to see where we stand and to clean house. I learned a lot the last couple days.
@wishingstar: demodding you is nothing personal, it's how I work. I do not mind you being on two forums as a member, but as a mod I need full dedication to this one and no support whatsoever for a forum that is hateful towards this one plus is copying most of the layout and lots of posts from here without permission.
Members told me they do want a place to discuss this issue so I will re-open this thread for now so the topic about Front being a troll can be discussed, or any other troll for that matter, but without mentioning key-bored-wizz's real name or his pictures. Thank you for your cooperation.
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I think you've done the best thing:is no point wasting time with meaningless arguments.
I hope that we can return to our investigations with peace, cooperation and friendship as we always have done.
Everything else is out of here.
I'm happy to be in the MJDHI. :icon_razz:
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Just wanted to explain why this topic was locked and Paul's pics removed. He sent me an email with the request to remove them, or else he would send his lawyer. There are many ways for me to keep them up but frankly I am tired of the drama and I don't want to spend any time on people that irritate me. You all know his name and face and that should be enough. It doesn't mean I changed my mind on the issue, no matter what they might say or post or start shit that was buried years ago. But there has been enough attention to them and I am sick of the DISGUSTING tweets and posts I read about people judging me, while I didn't even start the fucking post. But that is nothing new, let's say this was a good opportunity to see where we stand and to clean house. I learned a lot the last couple days.
@wishingstar: demodding you is nothing personal, it's how I work. I do not mind you being on two forums as a member, but as a mod I need full dedication to this one and no support whatsoever for a forum that is hateful towards this one plus is copying most of the layout and lots of posts from here without permission.
Members told me they do want a place to discuss this issue so I will re-open this thread for now so the topic about Front being a troll can be discussed, or any other troll for that matter, but without mentioning key-bored-wizz's real name or his pictures. Thank you for your cooperation.
That's what I thought too.
Thanks for reopening this thread.
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And ps. those aren't clocks. They're just lights and light distortion.
:abouttime:
EXACTLY!!! :th_bravo:
(As a hopper I'd have been too scared to say that :icon_lol: :icon_geek: :over-react-smiley:)
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They might be light distortion, but manipulated light distortion....everything's manipulated, even the lights, in my opinion, of course.
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Well it may have been distorted by the person who made the screen shot so therefore it's a dead end and means nothing.
I think we can rest on the fact that twitter front is a fake and a fraud, end of story thanks to that confession keywizzer posted. It's still disappointing to me that Mo of all people spiraled to such depths. I mean, I get fallings out and people getting into disagreements and butting heads, but to obsess over it to the point that years later you still haven't let it go, and worse, to try and get at people who just spend their time here, innocent bystanders and all, messing with heads and leading people on and finding the whole thing hilarious entertainment in some bizarre twisted way of trying to hurt Souza, well, that's just sick.
@Mo, you decided MJ was dead. Why do you still even give a shit? Move on and let people enjoy their interests. Get your own interests and focus on something positive rather then on stewing in your years old venom and hate over something that you don't even care about anymore. Makes no sense. Surely you have a job n family n friends n hobbies to tend to. Why would you bother with this in the first place?
Eh, whatever.
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So the disagreements between Souza and Mo come from the fact that Souza thinks Mj is alive and Mo says he is dead? I listened to the interview posted on this forum before I became a member here and the reporter asked: so do you believe MJ is alive?? And she said: I believe it 100%...my question is: who was the person that answers 100% Souza or Mo??
Other questions that I have for Souza and/or SHEF to settle Front's issue are as follows:
1- Are you 100% sure that Front is Paul and/or Mo?? because I keep on tweeting she/him/them in a disturbed way to make them feel bad and I won't stop until I'm done although some have advised me to stop it I won't because now it's my time to f**k them off and I even reported to some of Jackson family members although I know they won't do anything to stop it, I won't stop until Front close that shitty twitter account.
2- What did you do to arrive to the conclusion that Paul/Mo were behind it?? I mean what does a person need to figure out that a certain IP address is behind a twitter account or behind a nickname?? (sorry for my ignorance).
3- This is a very important issue (at least for me) so I wouldn't like it to be taken superficially cause I am making things behind the scenes and I wouldn't like to drag someone innocent, that doesn't mean I don't believe what you both have said quite the contrary hence the nasty tweets I'm sending to Fraud Front.
After your answer I'll be done with it.
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So the disagreements between Souza and Mo come from the fact that Souza thinks Mj is alive and Mo says he is dead? I listened to the interview posted on this forum before I became a member here and the reporter asked: so do you believe MJ is alive?? And she said: I believe it 100%...my question is: who was the person that answers 100% Souza or Mo??
That is me. If you want to know ask her, she is a member of the front forum, I want nothing to do with her anymore.
Other questions that I have for Souza and/or SHEF to settle Front's issue are as follows:
1- Are you 100% sure that Front is Paul and/or Mo?? because I keep on tweeting she/him/them in a disturbed way to make them feel bad and I won't stop until I'm done although some have advised me to stop it I won't because now it's my time to f**k them off and I even reported to some of Jackson family members although I know they won't do anything to stop it, I won't stop until Front close that shitty twitter account.
Not 100%, I said it makes the most sense and it fits. To me it fits and I see them do it. You should keep the honor to yourself and you should stop making yourself so mad on Twitter. You are a grown woman, rise above that freak show. Twitter is like Jonestown lately and Front Is Jim Jones. Dangerous games are being played so stay away from that if you respect yourself, please.
2- What did you do to arrive to the conclusion that Paul/Mo were behind it?? I mean what does a person need to figure out that a certain IP address is behind a twitter account or behind a nickname?? (sorry for my ignorance).
I already explained why it makes perfect sense to me.
3- This is a very important issue (at least for me) so I wouldn't like it to be taken superficially cause I am making things behind the scenes and I wouldn't like to destroy someone innocent, that doesn't mean I don't believe what you both have said quite the contrary hence the nasty tweets I'm sending to Fraud Front.
After your answer I'll be done with it.
I know, it is why I answered.
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Thanks for your sincerity.
What makes Front to be fishy is the fact that s/he/they is talking in a derogatory manner about Souza hmmm... and an insider close to MJ would never do THAT, let alone MJ.
http://twitpic.com/dbziyr
➜➜I think there is nothing else to add.⬅⬅
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Thanks for your sincerity.
What makes Front to be fishy is the fact that s/he/they is talking in a derogatory manner about Souza hmmm... and an insider close to MJ would never do THAT, let alone MJ.
http://twitpic.com/dbziyr
➜➜I think there is nothing else to add.⬅⬅
This only shows Front is either female or gay. Only women and gay guys would react like that (and no I do not discriminate, I have lots of gay friends is how I know!). So if you do not believe Front is Michael Jackson, then you are not a believer? That is the same as claiming to be MJ.
Seriously, I think it is an insult to Michael that anyone believes this pathetic tweeter is him. He would NEVER even bother to do this. If Michael has an issue with someone, he will make sure that person will know it's coming from him, like when Jermaine bitched at Pearl.
Shaking my head, I can't believe people don't see hat is happening.
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Well I believe you understood my previous post because I am making it clear that Front is neither an insider nor MJ and very probably those Paul and Mo. And yes I still have doubts about Michael being alive but I believe it will be just a blip.
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This Back guy also should've chose better username if s/he doesn't want to look like another fake MJ. But no one would've believed her if the username was MJ_lover4735884, lol.
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Do you mean you know who is behind Back nickname on this tread??
What I don't understand is why are there still members from this forum kissing Front a**, they are not able to realise they have been fooled by somebody that pretended to be an insider or MJ himself?? Please open your eyes------> how can I trust the beLIEvers community now if while an info has been served in a silver platter they remain with their closed eyes?? What is happening here?? what kind of people am I dealing with?? I am astonished, really.
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I don't kiss anyone's ass. But I won't make a fool out of myself , sending BS tweets to a person.
Regardless of their background and actions.
I am a grown up and I don't to look stupid. Especially when you don't know anything.
Everithing is based on assumptions. Front being MJ is/was. Front being Mo or Paul is.
Fact is: You don't know nothing. He's just Front to me and tweets with people on a kind way.
So no reason to make him look bad or attack him with BS tweets.
That's my point of view. And if this will be deleted bc I am saying what I think (in a reaction to your message sweet) that it's ok.
As I said on twitter to you, I respect you and you know it, but you are crossing a (moral) line now.
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The thing is sweets, you have no self respect, no dignity and no sense of what it truly takes to be a Michael Jackson fan/admirer. When you bash anyone, and I mean anyone like you are doing, you lose. It takes a certain courage to rise above personal feelings and become a mature person. Resorting to name calling, foul language and personal attacks shows your weak minded and of feeble heart. You can not put together cohesive thoughts when you are upset....that is immaturity. You are unable to take the high road, and show respect in times of strife....again, immature. It has been said that Michael Jackson only works with the best. Judging by your own admission and tweets, you won't be sharing, "....a jacuzzi while eating chocolate next to M.J."
(that's from your Twitter page). So, I will not be so shallow as to offer up advice.....a person such as yourself seems to have it all worked out.
I will say, however, I find your lack of self-esteem and lack of responsible behavior degrading to any and all believer/non-believer groups.
For those of you who are not on Twitter, and have no clue of the ridiculous tweets she sends out...have a look at a small sampling below, so you can
understand what she means by her own words a few posts back from here:
Posted by: sweetsunsetwithMJ
« on: Today at 03:07:38 PM »
".....I keep on tweeting she/him/them in a disturbed way to make them feel bad and I won't stop until I'm done although some have advised me to stop it I won't because now it's my time to f**k them off ...."
Raquel Tormo @SweetSunsetx2 Sep (https://twitter.com/SweetSunsetx/status/374632168041250816)@frontback777 (https://twitter.com/frontback777) NOW I KNOW U R A FUCKING TROLL HOW DO U DARE 2 BASH SOUZA DAMN VILLAIN? GO 2 HELL&NEVER COME BACK, PLS PPL OPEN UR EYES.
Raquel Tormo @SweetSunsetx14h (https://twitter.com/SweetSunsetx/status/375395922361864192)@frontback777 (https://twitter.com/frontback777) YOU ARE A SOLDIER OF EVIL.
Raquel Tormo @SweetSunsetx (https://twitter.com/SweetSunsetx)22h (https://twitter.com/SweetSunsetx/status/375274860500373505)@frontback777 (https://twitter.com/frontback777) You don't show your face because you are ugly at heart and at face, lol, diabolic mind.
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No, she's upset, and rightfully so. She has plenty of self respect, dignity, and maturity. She is not weak minded (are you kidding me??) she is HUMAN. Sheesh. This guy led her and the rest of us on for years, playing mind games with innocent people, and you lash out at sunset?? What's wrong with this picture...
This guy is a sleeze ball with no life, pretending to be MJ, playing fantasy land with people's emotions and sunset is the one who is immature? I don't think so.
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The thing is sweets, you have no self respect, no dignity and no sense of what it truly takes to be a Michael Jackson fan/admirer. When you bash anyone, and I mean anyone like you are doing, you lose. It takes a certain courage to rise above personal feelings and become a mature person. Resorting to name calling, foul language and personal attacks shows your weak minded and of feeble heart. You can not put together cohesive thoughts when you are upset....that is immaturity. You are unable to take the high road, and show respect in times of strife....again, immature. It has been said that Michael Jackson only works with the best. Judging by your own admission and tweets, you won't be sharing, "....a jacuzzi while eating chocolate next to M.J."
(that's from your Twitter page). So, I will not be so shallow as to offer up advice.....a person such as yourself seems to have it all worked out.
I will say, however, I find your lack of self-esteem and lack of responsible behavior degrading to any and all believer/non-believer groups.
For those of you who are not on Twitter, and have no clue of the ridiculous tweets she sends out...have a look at a small sampling below, so you can
understand what she means by her own words a few posts back from here:
Posted by: sweetsunsetwithMJ
« on: Today at 03:07:38 PM »
".....I keep on tweeting she/him/them in a disturbed way to make them feel bad and I won't stop until I'm done although some have advised me to stop it I won't because now it's my time to f**k them off ...."
Raquel Tormo @SweetSunsetx2 Sep (https://twitter.com/SweetSunsetx/status/374632168041250816)@frontback777 (https://twitter.com/frontback777) NOW I KNOW U R A FUCKING TROLL HOW DO U DARE 2 BASH SOUZA DAMN VILLAIN? GO 2 HELL&NEVER COME BACK, PLS PPL OPEN UR EYES.
Raquel Tormo @SweetSunsetx14h (https://twitter.com/SweetSunsetx/status/375395922361864192)@frontback777 (https://twitter.com/frontback777) YOU ARE A SOLDIER OF EVIL.
Raquel Tormo @SweetSunsetx (https://twitter.com/SweetSunsetx)22h (https://twitter.com/SweetSunsetx/status/375274860500373505)@frontback777 (https://twitter.com/frontback777) You don't show your face because you are ugly at heart and at face, lol, diabolic mind.
You are right in all you have said I'm immature and I didn't know you are a so good person now everybody on this forum have witnessed that you are not that sweet person that wished everybody to have a nice day in every of your posts using this emoticon :bearhug: every time, at least I am honest I don't play a character on here...ah and regarding MJ I love him with all my heart and although you couldn't believe right now I am a sweet person behind the scenes and this has been my first time harassing someone that's due to that/ose person/s has/ve hurt me deeply.
Btw I still wish being in a jacuzzi with MJ while eating chocolate ➜ that's real "me" and not a character :icon_lol:
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(@bec) I understand that. But still there is no need to write those messages, without knowing it for 100%.
Even Souza said she's not 100% sure about the Paul/Mo thing. So why drag them into those drama tweets?
We name ourself investigators, so why don't investigate first, until you know something 4 sure, before bashing someone, I ask.
That's my only point.
Keep the calm, think about it and then make your move if you want.
But until we know nothing for 100% sure, don't attack someone.
@Sweet,
No need to drag others in it, just because they don't like your actions and speak that out.
Wish is a very nice person, that didn;t change after her/his reaction to you.
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No, she's upset, and rightfully so. She has plenty of self respect, dignity, and maturity. She is not weak minded (are you kidding me??) she is HUMAN. Sheesh. This guy led her and the rest of us on for years, playing mind games with innocent people, and you lash out at sunset?? What's wrong with this picture...
This guy is a sleeze ball with no life, pretending to be MJ, playing fantasy land with people's emotions and sunset is the one who is immature? I don't think so.
OMG Bec I posted without reading your post, thank you for what you have just said, you are right nobody can understand how I feel right now but I won't fight with any member of this forum that's no my style.
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Excuse me?
"You are right in all you have said I'm immature and I didn't know you are a so good person now everybody on this forum have witnessed that you are not that sweet person that wished everybody to have a nice day in every of your posts using this emoticon :bearhug: every time, at least I am honest I don't play a character on here..."
No it isn't your style. I know.
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(@bec) I understand that. But still there is no need to write those messages, without knowing it for 100%.
Even Souza said she's not 100% sure about the Paul/Mo thing. So why drag them into those drama tweets?
We name ourself investigators, so why don't investigate first, until you know something 4 sure, before bashing someone, I ask.
That's my only point.
Keep the calm, think about it and then make your move if you want.
But until we know nothing for 100% sure, don't attack someone.
@Sweet,
No need to drag others in it, just because they don't like your actions and speak that out.
Wish is a very nice person, that didn;t change after her/his reaction to you.
Jos I am making my own investigation about Fraudnt I don't believe something because somebody say so, btw I was not talking about you in my previous post I have a big respect for you same as for the rest of the members here but I have never dared to post stuff of any member without permission, however if that person is hurting a full community that's another story.
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Can we BE NICE to each other here?
I understand that Sunset is upset, I agree with bec. I do also think she should let it go and rise above it, as I mentioned earlier.
@Jos: Even though I agree about Twitter and the BS there, I do not feel sorry for either of the two, not even if they were NOT Front, because they didn't give a shit 3 years ago either. I don't believe you were here back then but if you want to know what I mean you can PM me and I will try to give you a short update.
Anyway, I re-opened this so we could discuss trolls, not to pull each others hair. Let's move on.
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"Divide and Conquor"
Ladies step back and look at the bigger picture of the events of the last few days.
Take care how you address one another. :smiley-vault-misc-150:
Front (frontback777) has gone about his merry way...(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy053.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)....yet we continue to squibble amongst ourselves about this.
"Divide and Conquor"
Take Souza's advice...reach for higher ground!
:bearhug:
Truth always comes to light.
People just have to see it on their own, in their own time.
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Please Sweet, in that case - And for your own sake - calm down with your reactions.
@souza, you know I don't want to start a war here. :) I am speaking with the best intentions. For Sweet, and all of us here & on twitter.
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Sunset may wear her heart on her sleeve but she could never be accused of being fake, shallow, or superficial. Takes one to know one and I appreciate sincerity, in all it's forms.
Maybe there's no "need", but there's little "need" in anything we do here so there is that. I think it's pretty obvious what happened here, thanks to the confession, and OF COURSE people are going to feel burned.
This too shall pass. If nothing else it is a good reminder as to why we believed in the first place, and perhaps a good review is in order.
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Do you mean you know who is behind Back nickname on this tread??
No, I have my own suspicions and theories like everyone else here. Imo it's wrong for him/her to take that username just for attention.
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Do you mean you know who is behind Back nickname on this tread??
No, I have my own suspicions and theories like everyone else here. Imo it's wrong for him/her to take that username just for attention.
Front is a troll so Front is not Back, meaning this back can easily be the MJJC back. Saying it is wrong for him to take that name for attention is just an assumption.
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Do you mean you know who is behind Back nickname on this tread??
No, I have my own suspicions and theories like everyone else here. Imo it's wrong for him/her to take that username just for attention.
Front is a troll so Front is not Back, meaning this back can easily be the MJJC back. Saying it is wrong for him to take that name for attention is just an assumption.
You think 'he' is Back from MJJC?
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Living in LA and being on pacific time zone, sometimes it gets pretty difficult to catch up with the rest of you who are several hours ahead. Yesterday just before I went to bed chappie had written a post about Front, Souza and Mo which now seems to be deleted. He had mentioned that he knew both Souza and Mo and respected both and said he always would. I don't know chappie I just knew that he was one of the moderators. In his post he was saying not to simply believe what someone is stating without having proof to support that belief.
We are being lied to everyday by our government, by the media, everything we read and hear has been manipulated to such a degree that the end result has barely any truth in it.
Souza, did I miss something here? If I did please let me know otherwise I don't understand all the secrecy and censorship? I understand about keeping the forum clean and free of trolls, but at the same time we are here to investigate, ask questions and find out what the truth is. I'm not siding with anyone, just want to understand and get to the truth which seems to be getting further away from us every day.........
Hi SEHF, this was my full post from yesterday, and thank you for taking the time to reply to me. Please read the continuation in my next post...........
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Souza, did I miss something here? If I did please let me know otherwise I don't understand all the secrecy and censorship? I understand about keeping the forum clean and free of trolls, but at the same time we are here to investigate, ask questions and find out what the truth is. I'm not siding with anyone, just want to understand and get to the truth which seems to be getting further away from us every day.........
The only posts removed were by me that involved a banned members thoughts being relayed here. Banned members have no voice here, if they were allowed to have one they wouldn't be banned in the first place. The only other posts removed, or that were edited, were posts linking to a forum run by banned members who have their own agenda to hate on this forum.
Continued from my first post above. With my post from yesterday, I was only referring to Chappie's post that was deleted and no one else's. Chappie was a moderator here, I don't know him and I don't even know if he was banned. But in his post, he was not posting any links to any other forums and like I said, he was a moderator so again I didn't know that he was banned. I am just trying to get to the truth here like every other member. I don't have a twitter account, never will. I don't know of any other forums about Front, I am only a member here and I will not become a member anywhere else.
Chappie mentioned in his post, that is now deleted, that he knew and respected both Souza and Mo and was asking us to not trust and take people's word for something that we have no proof of. So you understand my confusion about his post being deleted. As Souza has said we are here to investigate in order to get to the truth and not be a part of manipulation of the truth.
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I have feeling this new 'back' here will soon become another Front. :icon_e_confused:
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No new Front on my watch.
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@Faithad, I think I can clear up your confusion over deleted posts. I think (and he will obviously correct me if I'm wrong) that SEHF was referring to a post of mine which contained a link to Mo's post on PureLove's forum, and a post that followed a few minutes later (I can't remember who from) which included Mo's actual post.
Have to admit to being a bit 'miffed' to begin with that my post had gone - I'm all for openness and balance, but respect that Souza and SEHF can and should do whatever they need to, to keep their forum as they want it, just as others are free to do what they like with their forums. (Not sure how they stand though with copying huge chunks of this forum!)
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Curls, thanks for your reply, but no, the post I'm referring to had nothing to do with your post. It was posted by Chappie and it did not contain any links to any other forums. It did not include anyone else's posts either. That's why I mentioned secrecy and censorship in my previous post. I understand about keeping the forum clean and free of trolls, but at the same time we are here to investigate, ask questions and find out what the truth is.
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I don't get either what was so wrong with Chappies post it had to be deleted.
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@Faithad, I know you're talking about Chappie's post, but I had it in my mind that you started this convo with questioning why SEHF mentioned 'links', when Chappies hadn't included any. That's what I was trying to clear up - why SEHF had mentioned links=my post. (I was online when he did it) Sorry, if I got the wrong end of the stick!
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I don't get either what was so wrong with Chappies post it had to be deleted.
ILoveyoumore, the only reason this is bothering me too is because I see no reason for the post to be deleted also, unless it was done by mistake, which probably is more than likely. I don't want to lose my trust and respect in the administrators of this forum since by deleting Chappie's post, I get the message that someone has something to hide, otherwise the post should be left alone for members to read and decide for themselves what the truth is.......
Here is Chappie's post I'm referring to that was deleted. As you can see there aren't any links to any other forum in this post. Again I don't know Chappie, I just know that he was a moderator here, I'm not agreeing with his post, I just want us to be able to investigate and find out what the truth is about all this openly as this is a forum for the purpose of investigating Michael's death and getting to the truth without any manipulation and censorship...........
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:confused: All of the division isn't helping anyone here, everyone should calm down and not intensify this issue. As I've witnessed happening. There is alot of deflection occuring. Hit dogs holler. Whomever started this will reap what they sow. If you plant a troll then trouble will ensue. I feel sorry for SweetSunset but lashing out like that isn't going to solve any problems it just causes more pain. Maybe you should take a break from all of this Sweet,just for a while until you get yourself together. I'm just going to see how all of this plays out. :icon_question:
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I don't get either what was so wrong with Chappies post it had to be deleted.
ILoveyoumore, the only reason this is bothering me too is because I see no reason for the post to be deleted also, unless it was done by mistake, which probably is more than likely. I don't want to lose my trust and respect in the administrators of this forum since by deleting Chappie's post, I get the message that someone has something to hide, otherwise the post should be left alone for members to read and decide for themselves what the truth is.......
Here is Chappie's post I'm referring to that was deleted. As you can see there aren't any links to any other forum in this post. Again I don't know Chappie, I just know that he was a moderator here, I'm not agreeing with his post, I just want us to be able to investigate and find out what the truth is about all this openly as this is a forum for the purpose of investigating Michael's death and getting to the truth without any manipulation and censorship...........
Faith, I saw that post too and yes, it was deleted, don't know why. I felt it was only a sincere heartfelt question from Chappie to keep everything clean, especially when no one is 100% sure who is behind Front. Souza admitted that already so also no reason for cencorship. So I'm with you Faith, when posts are deleted, it only makes me suspicious.
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I don't get either what was so wrong with Chappies post it had to be deleted.
ILoveyoumore, the only reason this is bothering me too is because I see no reason for the post to be deleted also, unless it was done by mistake, which probably is more than likely. I don't want to lose my trust and respect in the administrators of this forum since by deleting Chappie's post, I get the message that someone has something to hide, otherwise the post should be left alone for members to read and decide for themselves what the truth is.......
Here is Chappie's post I'm referring to that was deleted. As you can see there aren't any links to any other forum in this post. Again I don't know Chappie, I just know that he was a moderator here, I'm not agreeing with his post, I just want us to be able to investigate and find out what the truth is about all this openly as this is a forum for the purpose of investigating Michael's death and getting to the truth without any manipulation and censorship...........
Chappie's post was deleted because Chappie didn't come to me first since she even has my phone number. It is NONE of anyone's business and even Chappie doesn't give a fuck it is gone. I am asking to stop the whining about one stupid post NOW or I am going to lock this thread again. Do you see Chappie whine? NO and it was her post. I talked to Chappie not even too long ago. She and I have no issues, why would anyone else? Stop copying the post here.
On with what this thread is about: FRONT IS A TROLL.
Thank you, next time use the PM button and ask me or SEHF directly.
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Guys, ... we are here in the place we have chosen....out there are slanders and provocations, We must continue our journey together, without picking them up too...is what they want. :icon_rolleyes:
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I have been watching for a while now and I think it´s time that I state my opinion re: the recent events, Front, „Twitter war“, divisiveness in the hoax community and here. I have been told to put my money where my mouth is and that´s what I am doing now.
This is very long, and I realize that everything might be a bit „criss-cross“ and that maybe you will find some mistakes in grammar, syntax or spelling. I´m not a native speaker so, if you find mistakes, please feel free to keep them and please bear with me ;)
So here goes:
I, personally, never believed in Front that much, I kept watching him, like many of us did. The clues and hints were not convincing for me. Also I never liked that he had favorites on this forum, sometimes I even thought that he was too cold, not cordial. With Twitter Front I noticed that he became MUCH more cordial and it did not sit right with me.Yes I admit that often he sounded like a female to me, sissyish even. But that was still ok for me because we all know that in this hoax everyone tries to investigate, find clues and is watching hoax characters that show up here and there. And before anyone is going to accuse me of hypocrisy: Yes, I said that I do not think that Twitter Front is malicious and I did not like that people were after him on Twitter. Yes, I admit it, I did that, and yes I said that. On Twitter. And yes, I have changed my mind.
At one point, not long ago, I noticed that he started to develop what I would call „classic troll behavior“. And that was BEFORE the shit hit the fan after „Back“´s post here.
I saw it and I did not like it and I still don´t. I´ve been in the online world for many many years, also as a mod in other forums that are in no way related to Michael, and I recognize troll behavior when I see it. Of course that is my opinion and if I am wrong, so be it.
To everyone who follows Front and believes in him: That´s ok, I respect your decision. It´s your choice and your right to do so.
BUT
Regardless of who Front is, I don´t understand how people fail to see the bigger picture. They keep saying Souza is jealous because Front left the forum. But Souza "outsourced" him long before he took to Twitter. Because the idolatry and ass kissing (sorry for the explicit language) became rampant. That is when Front decided to try it on Twitter. Pretty clear behavior in my opinion. And Front still linked to the "respected forum" for a long time, until the latest events, all the while whining and complaining about the haters. Too much and to obvious in my opinion. I plead with you to remember this well-known phrase: „Haters make me famous“. Even before the „you know who“ thing, he already started trolling big time, for everyone to see (who wanted to see of course and was able to), to establish a new platform for himself. Lucky coincidence for Front, that PureLove opened a new forum where the world revolves around him. Then, realizing that he´s considered no more than a troll on Souza´s forum now, he started the crusade against her. Openly. On Twitter. I still remember Front´s words on the forum, that he would never talk badly about this forum, or any of the members here. Now he does. And it´s no excuse to say "but Souza started the drama".
So yes, I do get that troll feeling from Front NOW, my opinion is clear.
But I also know and I do agree that we should not jump to conclusions re: who Front is. It does not matter what his/her or even their name is. However we need to find out what is behind the obvious troll behavior and again: I find it very disturbing and unsettling. Does not sit well with me, I feel uncomfortable and I fear that people will get hurt. So if there is somebody out there that is playing with peoples´ minds and hearts and has malicious intents, this person must be held accountable for it.
I will not believe for a minute that Souza or SEHF are behind „Back“ on here. I will not believe for a minute that they are out to wreak revenge. Neither on you know who, nor on PureLove.
I have to say that I understand that people sometimes felt that Souza, was too harsh, to „obscure“ and that they felt she should have communicated more.
I even understand that while this forum was offline with a very dramatic message and PureLove´s forum opened, some people felt the need to join there. Many interactions between members had been moved from here to Twitter anyway and things mostly evolved around Front. So PureLove´s forum was the place to be for various reasons. I understand that too.
One more thing that I admit here is that I, too, did at first not understand why someone who was a „cornerstone“ of the forum once, was suddenly shunned and no longer wanted on here. Yes, I said that on Twitter too.
We have all invited Front in and entertained the thought of him being an insider or even Michael. We discussed about his posts and communicated with him. Whatever our beliefs were, he was allowed in here. That´s a fact. I am also aware and I admit that people have been banned here for speaking up against Front earlier. In the light of recent events it might have been a mistake. However I now understand the problem that Souza started having with his presence here and it´s not morally reprehensible or hypocritical that she changed her opinion. On the contrary: if she feels something is seriously wrong or dangerous for the members here, it´s her duty to inform us and warn us. So that´s ok with me, I respect that and I support that. No matter what the outcome might be in the end. We need clarity.
I don´t know if Front is that person whose name must not be mentioned here anymore. But I do agree that we need to try and find out. Yes, I too feel reluctant to have somebody´s name and picture on here, accusing him of fraud. But I also think we need to be aware of the possibility and investigate and find out. Nobody wants to be fooled and hurt in the end I think.
Re: PureLove and Mariella, I want to say/clarify some things: they were always nothing but nice and respectful towards me when we met again on Twitter after they got banned a while ago. I admit that back in the day when she and Mariella were banned, I said that it was also my opinion that her presence on the forum was no longer wholesome. Neither for her, nor for anyone else here. And I remember that some other members/mods that are now over at PureLove´s forum were very happy to get rid of her and also supported the decision to ban her. If you changed your mind, that´s a good thing and I wish you well. But I do not understand or support your bashing of Souza, the forum and other members here. Why? Didn´t you all call this your home and the people here your friends and family? It´s so sad and I wish I understood why....
You may feel insulted and offended because Front is considered a troll on here and you might say that this is what they did to Michael...condemn him without investigation.
My question for you would be this: you have said many times that it does not matter to you who Front really is. So why are you so harsh and merciless and fierce in your quest to defend him now? If he´s not you know who, why bother? If he is, why bother? He knows who he is and if he´s honest and has no malicious intent, he does not need to defend himself over and over again, attack and blame others and make you lay your heads on the block for him.I understand where you are coming from though. You might say that Souza won´t stop saying that Front is a troll and Front is possibly person X, and that therefore Front has the right to defend himself too. Even if it´s over and over again, same old, same old. If you know who was a person without a voice, I´d understand. But he is not. So my words to Front on Twitter still hold true and I stand by them: methinks thou dost protest too much. If he´s good and honest and all of his words are coming from a place of love in his heart there should not be space for hate. To simply say „I am not X“ would have sufficed in my honest opinion. To simply say „I am not a troll, I find it outrageous what they are accusing me of and I don´t want to be associated with MJDHI any more“ would have sufficed. Defend oneself? Yes. Say it one time, say it loud and clear and that should be it. Yes I know it did not work in Michael´s case but this is something completely different. We are talking about a character online, hidden behing a screen like all of us. Not real life. Yes, if what this „Back“ character here on the forum said is wrong, that´s not funny and it´s really a bad situation and I´d feel sorry for the person in question .But it´s not Front´s war, is it? And it´s not your war.
If Souza is wrong, if all of us who doubt are wrong.....time will tell and the truh will prevail, won´t it? If Front is blameless he should carry on with his message of love instead of enforcing hate.
If he´s truly what he say he is, he should not be afraid or feel threatened.
Further Re: PureLove:
I had no problem whatsoever to embrace PureLove as a friend on Twitter and I was happy for her, that she found her „family“ again on Twitter and I wish her good luck and may her new forum home be a happy one for her.
When PureLove asked me to join her forum I told her, in all honesty, that it´s not for me to talk behind someone´s back and that I did not want to join, since for me, personally, it was a question of loyalty. When I become a mod on a forum it´s „united we stand, divided we fall“ for me. Corporate identity so to speak. There´s a code of honor for me when it comes to these things in the online world. I also told PureLove that I did not believe in Front and I did not want to see topics like Pablo etc. on a forum. She respected my point of view and decision and that was it. Same goes for Mariella.
I came here for Michael, not for Front or TS. Frankly and honestly I don´t care who or what people believe in, in this hoax, in the fan community, in life in general. It´s their own choice and that´s ok with me.
It saddens me to see that now, with this Front situation, people are fighting and bashing each other. People that were friends on here or on Twitter or elsewhere.
I deactivated my Twitter account because I cannot bear to see this „war“ going on.
I, personally, will never allow my belief, be it religious or other, to make me hate anyone. It´s not worth it in the end. We all have our private lives, and that is where we should feel free and happy and enjoy ourselves first and foremost. Always remember love and compassion and please be careful with your hearts and that of others.
If I could have one wish, it would be that we all remain open-minded and objective and neither engage in cultish behavior NOR in hasty condemnation. But, and I want to make it very clear one more time: We need to be aware of the possible danger and malicious intent.
At the end of the day and at the end of all this we all will have learned a lot and some might have been hurt and disappointed. We all have a heart...I don´t want to see anyone´s heart being broken.
Anyway....that´s what I had to say and you can now go and bash me or talk about me behind my back on the new forum or whatever you want. I wish you won´t though. For all of you who decided to not come here anymore or participate and who decided to join „Team Front“: I just want you to know that I enjoyed being with you here and that I enjoyed being your friend. I never thought it would come to this.
I always thought that we could rise above the situation and respect each other as human beings despite our differences.
I never thought that our love for the greatest light on earth, Michael, who always strived to unite people in love, would ever be the reason and catalyst for this war and division going on on a huge, global scale.
I don´t hate anyone and I don´t want to fight. Just needed to say what I think is right. In my heart.
I´m just weary and sad.
Take care everyone, stay safe and happy.
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@Mary, just a huge ((((hug)))) for you! I don't hold the same views about everything you wrote and I haven't followed the same path as you, but I applaud such a calm, balanced and thoughtful post. I AM a native English speaker and I haven't been able to put my thoughts together in such a clear and understandable manner. xx
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Mary i love your post, :bearhug:
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I just hope people on this forum are not trying to hide things from others since on the Front forum there seemed to be quite crazy censorship, they deleted my post because I wasn't worshipping Front.. it wasn't hate post.
Would be nice to have one forum without manipulating.
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@MaryK loved that post!
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I just hope people on this forum are not trying to hide things from others since on the Front forum there seemed to be quite crazy censorship, they deleted my post because I wasn't worshipping Front.. it wasn't hate post.
Would be nice to have one forum without manipulating.
The post was deleted for personal reasons, not to hide anything. This forum is still full with old troll posts or hate lyrics to Souza. I don't care about that, they will fall one by one eventually.
The other forum is hypocrite as fuck, they say they do not allow disrespect and bashing of others, yet it is ok to do it to me. Yes Michael would love that. In the end they will all stab each other in the back there anyway when they realize they can't all marry MJ, hahahaha.
We are going to delete all the front shit out of the old back threads though, so we can start discussing those on the forum again without having to go through the Front cow crap. So if your post is deleted there it's for that reason.
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@Mary, just a huge ((((hug)))) for you! I don't hold the same views about everything you wrote and I haven't followed the same path as you, but I applaud such a calm, balanced and thoughtful post. I AM a native English speaker and I haven't been able to put my thoughts together in such a clear and understandable manner. xx
+ 1 :bearhug:
I think what is happening right now stems from feelings of sheer helplessness. Formerly, there were whispers and clues of insiders and family on a regular basis and we were hopeful and elated but lately, all we hear, read and see are nothing but negative messages and events. We are, despite everything, afraid of the other, fearful truth I guess. We feel powerless because what we wanted for Michael was a long, happy and healthy life, not a life full of anguish, pain, humiliation, lies, problems and grief that (supposedly) ended so tragically. We hold on to everything that smells, tastes and sounds like Michael, because we will not and can not let him go. Not this way... We want him to pull off the greatest show on earth. We want justice, we want happiness for him, we want him to enjoy his children and see them grow up and we feel scared that his 'death' maybe is true after all and we feel guilty that we have not been able to help and protect him. We didn't hear him when he was telling what was happening. We want to rewrite history so badly and give him what he was missing and what he deserved so much. I think that fear is what makes people fight, because we don't want to lose the few straws that have left, and we don't understand if others do let go of a straw.
It's sad that people might going to get hurt that's why we should stick together, not divided. We must protect each other and not jump too quickly, before we know something 100% sure. So......what about respectfully stating your opinion. So.....what about different opinions,without a fight. So....what about peace between all of us? I'm sure Michael will like that!
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I just hope people on this forum are not trying to hide things from others since on the Front forum there seemed to be quite crazy censorship, they deleted my post because I wasn't worshipping Front.. it wasn't hate post.
Would be nice to have one forum without manipulating.
The post was deleted for personal reasons, not to hide anything. This forum is still full with old troll posts or hate lyrics to Souza. I don't care about that, they will fall one by one eventually.
The other forum is hypocrite as fuck, they say they do not allow disrespect and bashing of others, yet it is ok to do it to me. Yes Michael would love that. In the end they will all stab each other in the back there anyway when they realize they can't all marry MJ, hahahaha.
We are going to delete all the front shit out of the old back threads though, so we can start discussing those on the forum again without having to go through the Front cow crap. So if your post is deleted there it's for that reason.
Thank you for explaining.
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Love your post @Do! I still believe 100% Michael is alive.
lately, all we hear, read and see are nothing but negative messages and events.
I think it's because we're getting closer to the end, whatever it is.
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Souza, if you're deleting Front (and other unwanted) stuff from various threads, would it be possible to mark the posts as deleted, rather than wiping them clean away. I've found you get odd posts that don't make sense in a thread that has had posts deleted. Actually having the word 'deleted' would help (me, at least!) No worries if you can't or don't want to - just a thought.
Also, you've mentioned several times about stuff that needs investigating that you think people haven't been interested in of late. Is there anything specific you have in mind? I'm not sure how many of us still have the stomach or inclination for this, but I just wondered if it might help us move on in a positive way, if we had something other than 'characters' to get our teeth into. Bec has suggested going back to basics - again, I don't know how much enthusiasm can be mustered up for that. It does seem like we've gone way off course over the years and it might be useful to go back over stuff without the 'fluff'. IDK. I feel weary.
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Love your post @Do! I still believe 100% Michael is alive.
lately, all we hear, read and see are nothing but negative messages and events.
I think it's because we're getting closer to the end, whatever it is.
Thank you!
I have never been 100% sure, so that's why I'm very careful and oh, how I wish for Michael all the best and a good and happy life (like we all do!) I feel so lost every now and then...but......I still don't give up hope!
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@Mary, just a huge ((((hug)))) for you! I don't hold the same views about everything you wrote and I haven't followed the same path as you, but I applaud such a calm, balanced and thoughtful post. I AM a native English speaker and I haven't been able to put my thoughts together in such a clear and understandable manner. xx
+ 1 :bearhug:
I think what is happening right now stems from feelings of sheer helplessness. Formerly, there were whispers and clues of insiders and family on a regular basis and we were hopeful and elated but lately, all we hear, read and see are nothing but negative messages and events. We are, despite everything, afraid of the other, fearful truth I guess. We feel powerless because what we wanted for Michael was a long, happy and healthy life, not a life full of anguish, pain, humiliation, lies, problems and grief that (supposedly) ended so tragically. We hold on to everything that smells, tastes and sounds like Michael, because we will not and can not let him go. Not this way... We want him to pull off the greatest show on earth. We want justice, we want happiness for him, we want him to enjoy his children and see them grow up and we feel scared that his 'death' maybe is true after all and we feel guilty that we have not been able to help and protect him. We didn't hear him when he was telling what was happening. We want to rewrite history so badly and give him what he was missing and what he deserved so much. I think that fear is what makes people fight, because we don't want to lose the few straws that have left, and we don't understand if others do let go of a straw.
You hit the nail on the head. I'm terrified we may have to face the "fact" that MJ actually died like that--that this circus is for real. And that for four +years of genuine soul searching and reflection on whether or not we really and truly had something here, I couldn't wrap my mind around that. There is honestly no place in my heart that accepts the "official" story as factual, and I have dug deep. I've more then once searched for a way to move on, and to settle up with the hoax being a product of our collective imaginations, and I kept coming back to hoax. Yeah but the ambulance backed out. Yeah but the pic. Yeah but the fake crying by Paris. Yeah but the 46493276974 times that Jackson family members talked about Paris's amazing ability to fake cry (roll the clip!). Yeah but alleged victim. Yeah but Murray has a cell phone in jail. Yeah but this that n something else, my god, how can this not be a hoax?? There's a thousand little reasons...
and NONE of them have to do with any internet personality.
But for some reason we are all at the end of our rope. I know I'm about to throw in the towel on this whole thing, I get the feel from posts that others are too. Our time killers all went *poof*. TS/_comments 'abandoned' us, back hasn't been heard from since June 2010 (not that we ever 'knew' him), and Front committed insider suicide. Legit or not, they filled the gaps and killed the time while we wait to see if we are right or not. Time doubts. TS probably made the best, most prophetic prediction of them all with that post. Time is a real killer on moral with this thing.
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I have been reading this Forum since 2010 and at one point I felt like I needed to join so that I could convey somethings that were on my heart about Michael and him having to chose to leave the public eye. There were certain ones on here that were so very rude and belligerent to me because I was not of the belief that Michael would return, and I also felt like some were in very deep with impostors and I would try to give reason that I felt people were being targets of maliciousness, but I was only met with contempt, and in trying to defend myself, I was banded. So my thought was…”Well if I sit back long enough and watch, I will see it fall completely apart” and that is just what has happened. The love that use to be in this place was lost somewhere along the way, while people were so adamantly in search of Michael and contending for his return date.
Now that there are impostors coming out of the wood work and people are exposing them, and the exposers are being made to be impostors, this whole thing is blowing up. Meanwhile I’m certain that Michael where ever he is…and I don’t think it is here reading this forum... but I’m certain daily, he is on his knees praying for the world that is crumbling around us.
What are these trolls doing? They are put to work to distract Michael’s vast array of fan’s They are creating an Image for people to worship, meanwhile the Nations of this planet are crumbling and Michael’s “BeLIEvers” are not preparing themselves for what is about to happen. I seriously doubt that Michael would hide behind any social network and try to distract people and keep them guessing as to who he is, where he’s at and if or when he will come back.
Michael Jackson is alive, but rest assure he is not coming back to entertain anyone. We don’t need to be entertained we need to wake up before it is to late and we find out that we are going to have to sell our souls to Satan, in order to eat. I’m sure the Mods on this board will ban me again, for speaking truth, because it doesn’t agree with the agenda here or it’s not the popular opinion, but I came here to say this because I love each and every one of you and it grieves me to see good people being used and led astray in Michael’s name.
So before I’m kicked off here, I just want to ask each and everyone of you to Pray…Pray for Michael, pray for his fans, and pray for your Countries and Leaders because some dark things are about to befall us regardless of what anyone believes. And I know that Michael prays for each of you. We have to “Make that Change” but we are not going to do it looking for Michael. God Bless and keep each on of you safe. I Love YOU.
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Souza, if you're deleting Front (and other unwanted) stuff from various threads, would it be possible to mark the posts as deleted, rather than wiping them clean away. I've found you get odd posts that don't make sense in a thread that has had posts deleted. Actually having the word 'deleted' would help (me, at least!) No worries if you can't or don't want to - just a thought.
In the past when I have 'cleaned' a thread, I have edited the posts to remove content rather then the post itself, for that exact reason. That's what I would be inclined to do again, unless it's one of those {quote}+1 type posts, in which case I have removed the whole post. But basically, yes, we take into account the flow of the conversation when cleaning threads.
I haven't even cracked the project yet so I'm not sure what we're getting into but chances are it will be possible to just remove any F references from individual posts rather then entire posts.
(edited because the format went screwy)
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^^^ Thanks for that bec.
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The other forum is hypocrite as fuck, they say they do not allow disrespect and bashing of others, yet it is ok to do it to me.
With all due respect Souza, this thread has been mainly about bashing Front, whoever he is, and now members are starting to bash each other here. I get that you want to expose trolls and warn us of the dangers of them and show how they have been manipulating those who followed them, I do not consider that 'bashing' when it's done in a general sense and I thank you for that, but it's become too much about one troll. We've all learned a lesson here (or should have by now) and I personally believe this thread should be locked again. We are still running circles around a troll when we should be getting back to research. I know I am free to read elsewhere on the forum but I think as a whole this thread is drawing attention away from the hoax itself. If you disagree, I will accept that you have a good reason and respect your decision. Just thought I'd put my honest opinion out there.
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Souza, if you're deleting Front (and other unwanted) stuff from various threads, would it be possible to mark the posts as deleted, rather than wiping them clean away. I've found you get odd posts that don't make sense in a thread that has had posts deleted. Actually having the word 'deleted' would help (me, at least!) No worries if you can't or don't want to - just a thought.
Also, you've mentioned several times about stuff that needs investigating that you think people haven't been interested in of late. Is there anything specific you have in mind? I'm not sure how many of us still have the stomach or inclination for this, but I just wondered if it might help us move on in a positive way, if we had something other than 'characters' to get our teeth into. Bec has suggested going back to basics - again, I don't know how much enthusiasm can be mustered up for that. It does seem like we've gone way off course over the years and it might be useful to go back over stuff without the 'fluff'. IDK. I feel weary.
I will simply say "DELETED" where I delete, sure no problem.
With topics unexplored I mean actual stuff from Michael himself, or from the official media after his 'death'. There is still so much we haven't found simply because we thought there was nothing or because it was too much effort to go through it. His music, videos, evreything. For 2 years the hoax community focused on Pablo videos, Front poems and anything else OTHER people said. I think we should go back 4 years, pretend we don't know shit and start looking at Michael Jackson again. I bet there is tons still unnoticed.
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The other forum is hypocrite as fuck, they say they do not allow disrespect and bashing of others, yet it is ok to do it to me.
With all due respect Souza, this thread has been mainly about bashing Front, whoever he is, and now members are starting to bash each other here. I get that you want to expose trolls and warn us of the dangers of them and show how they have been manipulating those who followed them, I do not consider that 'bashing' when it's done in a general sense and I thank you for that, but it's become too much about one troll. We've all learned a lesson here (or should have by now) and I personally believe this thread should be locked again. We are still running circles around a troll when we should be getting back to research. I know I am free to read elsewhere on the forum but I think as a whole this thread is drawing attention away from the hoax itself. If you disagree, I will accept that you have a good reason and respect your decision. Just thought I'd put my honest opinion out there.
I already locked it but people want to talk about it, so I re-opened it. I would like to see none of this Front stuff on here anymore, but on the other hand I think it's important people know he is a troll and see what he is doing. I already told the members NOT to attack each other here and I believe that will stop by now, since everyone has had the time to chill out. So for now I will leave this open. I do agree that we run in circles, but we have been for years, a couple days extra won't make a difference.
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The other forum is hypocrite as fuck, they say they do not allow disrespect and bashing of others, yet it is ok to do it to me.
With all due respect Souza, this thread has been mainly about bashing Front, whoever he is, and now members are starting to bash each other here. I get that you want to expose trolls and warn us of the dangers of them and show how they have been manipulating those who followed them, I do not consider that 'bashing' when it's done in a general sense and I thank you for that, but it's become too much about one troll. We've all learned a lesson here (or should have by now) and I personally believe this thread should be locked again. We are still running circles around a troll when we should be getting back to research. I know I am free to read elsewhere on the forum but I think as a whole this thread is drawing attention away from the hoax itself. If you disagree, I will accept that you have a good reason and respect your decision. Just thought I'd put my honest opinion out there.
I already locked it but people want to talk about it, so I re-opened it. I would like to see none of this Front stuff on here anymore, but on the other hand I think it's important people know he is a troll and see what he is doing. I already told the members NOT to attack each other here and I believe that will stop by now, since everyone has had the time to chill out. So for now I will leave this open. I do agree that we run in circles, but we have been for years, a couple days extra won't make a difference.
Fair enough Souza. Thanks for hearing me out. I respect your decision to keep this thread open and I hope conversation will naturally shift back to the nuts and bolts of the hoax. In the meantime I'll just feel free to frolic in the other threads... :moonwalk_:
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I have only one phrase about Front: "He has his snout in feathers"
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I will simply say "DELETED" where I delete, sure no problem.
With topics unexplored I mean actual stuff from Michael himself, or from the official media after his 'death'. There is still so much we haven't found simply because we thought there was nothing or because it was too much effort to go through it. His music, videos, evreything. For 2 years the hoax community focused on Pablo videos, Front poems and anything else OTHER people said. I think we should go back 4 years, pretend we don't know shit and start looking at Michael Jackson again. I bet there is tons still unnoticed.
Thanks for your explanation Souza.
Do you have the energy, time and enthusiasm to go through it all again? Not sure I have at this point, but ... if we are prepared to go back to the beginning, with, I would suggest, plenty of Devil's Advocate thinking, it would certainly clear up the issue at the back of many minds, of whether we are fundamentally afraid to find out we've been wrong all along. From Wiki:
"In common parlance, a devil's advocate is someone who, given a certain argument, takes a position he or she does not necessarily agree with, for the sake of debate. In taking this position, the individual taking on the devil's advocate role seeks to engage others in an argumentative discussion process. The purpose of such process is typically to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure, and to use such information to either improve or abandon the original, opposing position. It can also refer to someone who takes a stance that is seen as unpopular or unconventional, but is actually another way of arguing a much more conventional stance."
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Thanks for re-opening this thread Souza, but i personally feel that there's nothing much left to talk about Front.
He is a troll, sadly some have been cheated on. But that guy doesn't deserve being a topic of discussion anymore.
I don't find any reason why some of the members here need to doubt whether or not there's any hoax after all, though i understand you guys....there definitely is one. At least that's my gut feeling and i'm just gonna go for that.
PS. this thread better be locked?
For 2 years the hoax community focused on Pablo videos, Front poems and anything else OTHER people said. I think we should go back 4 years, pretend we don't know shit and start looking at Michael Jackson again. I bet there is tons still unnoticed.
completely agree...let's please do this.
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I see alot of fighting going on about Front and about people beings frauds.Mj said we had 4 years to get it right and it is 4 years later and we are on the brink of another war. Could MJ have known of these plans ahead of time? It is a major coincidence that he said 4 years later in this is it and now look where we are now.
I believe we the people need to stop the war mongers from causing more innocent deaths from happening. We need to stand together and stop the fear our own government installs in us! We the people,need to show that love overcomes hate. If MJ is still alive and I believe he is,maybe if he saw us stand strong and stop worrying about things that truly do not matter. Then maybe this world where Hate seems to be the feeling of choice most people live by,would be changed forever and replaced by a feeling of love worldwide. If we bomb Seria how many innocent lives that are good will be lost? What will be the concequences for you and me? Russia and China seem to be ready for us to do something. To be distracted by things that do not really change the world for the better,makes us blind to the true danger that is right before our eyes. See what truly matters,don't be blinded because if we do not stop them from starting this war it can cause billions of humans to die unnecessarily. War, huh, yeah What is it good for Absolutely nothing!
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:abouttime: wow after days of watching finally something worth signing in for . :th_bravo:
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On the flip side, should the world stand by and do nothing when a dictator gases his own people? Or should the world take a stand and draw a line of decency in the sand and say this is intolerable? Anyone who uses poison gas against his own innocent people, women n children, isn't going to lay down his arms because you talk nice.
I dunno. But it's not that simple.
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Bec I hear what you saying and yes if that is truly the case,it would be a tough to sit by and watch but the question is who really threw the gas was it them or was it the same rebels that we are helping? I have read a lot of different opinions on who actually threw the chemicals! We really do not know and to throw yourselfs in another war when we are struggling to live life with these high rents that most people stuggle to afford now and days.How can A country that is so much in dept continue to spread themselves thin. If it was something that continued and we were sure who really did throw the chemicals,I would agree something would have to be done. But Like Mj said if nothing is done it will be irreversable.it’s like when a mother sends her child off to war, they don’t know if they’re ever gonna come back, you know?I am quoting MJ" how can we look at such things happening, and not, you know, want to do something? how can we turn our heads and pretend as if we don’t see it? you know? i can’t see people in pain and pretend as if it’s not there."
here is something that was printed yesterday.
Allegations that the Syrian regime used chemical weapons last month are a "pretext" by the West to attack the country, Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said.
Iran is Syria's main regional ally and has warned Western powers against intervening in the country's civil war, as the United States edges towards launching strikes against the Damascus regime.
Washington and its allies "are using the chemical weapon [allegation] as a pretext," and "are saying that they want to intervene for humanitarian reasons," Khamenei said on Thursday.
"The United States is wrong about Syria, and it is certain they will suffer... just like in Iraq and Afghanistan," Khamenei told members of the Assembly of Experts, the body that supervises his work.
Separately, the chief of Iran's elite Quds Force unit, Qassem Soleimani, said Tehran would back Syria "until the end" in the face of possible US-led military strikes.
Some analysts believe a wider goal of US President Barack Obama's determination to launch strikes is to blunt Tehran's growing regional influence and any consequent threat to Washington ally Israel.
"The aim of the United States is not to protect human rights... but to destroy the front of resistance [against Israel]," the Quds Force commander was quoted as saying by the media on Thursday.
"We will support Syria to the end," Soleimani added in his speech to the Assembly of Experts.
He did not elaborate on the nature of the support and Iran has constantly denied allegations by Western powers that it has sent military forces to prop up President Bashar al-Assad's embattled regime.
'Counsel and advice'
A year ago, the chief of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, Mohammad Ali Jafari, said members of the Quds Force foreign operations unit were in Syria to provide Assad's government with "counsel and advice".
Iran's Defence Minister Hossein Dehqan, meanwhile, ruled out sending troops or weapons to Syria.
"The Syrians do not need us to provide them with weapons because they have a defensive anti-aircraft system themselves," he was cited in the local media as saying.
President Hassan Rouhani said Iran will do "everything to prevent" an attack on the Syrian regime, according to extracts from statements published in the media.
"Any action against Syria is against the interests of the region but also against the friends of the United States in this region," he said.
"Such action will help nobody."
The US, France and other countries accuse Assad's forces of launching chemical weapons attacks on the outskirts of Damascus on August 21, which they say killed hundreds.
Obama is seeking congressional backing as well as broader international support for punitive strikes on Assad's regime.
Iran has previously warned that any military action against Syria risks sparking a broader regional conflagration.
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Practically speaking [u can hate me if you want to] but people have their own lives to look after and got make their lives better before changing the world. If i go out and announce I need a team for making this world a better place...i'll be standing alone.
It's harsh, i know...but it's the truth.
You said the same thing @bec...in some other thread I don't remember.
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Souza, if you're deleting Front (and other unwanted) stuff from various threads, would it be possible to mark the posts as deleted, rather than wiping them clean away. I've found you get odd posts that don't make sense in a thread that has had posts deleted. Actually having the word 'deleted' would help (me, at least!) No worries if you can't or don't want to - just a thought.
Also, you've mentioned several times about stuff that needs investigating that you think people haven't been interested in of late. Is there anything specific you have in mind? I'm not sure how many of us still have the stomach or inclination for this, but I just wondered if it might help us move on in a positive way, if we had something other than 'characters' to get our teeth into. Bec has suggested going back to basics - again, I don't know how much enthusiasm can be mustered up for that. It does seem like we've gone way off course over the years and it might be useful to go back over stuff without the 'fluff'. IDK. I feel weary.
I will simply say "DELETED" where I delete, sure no problem.
With topics unexplored I mean actual stuff from Michael himself, or from the official media after his 'death'. There is still so much we haven't found simply because we thought there was nothing or because it was too much effort to go through it. His music, videos, evreything. For 2 years the hoax community focused on Pablo videos, Front poems and anything else OTHER people said. I think we should go back 4 years, pretend we don't know shit and start looking at Michael Jackson again. I bet there is tons still unnoticed.
I don't think deleting Front's posts is a good idea. Why do it? Whether or not Front is Paul, Mickey Mouse or Michael, he/she is part of our forum's history. And whether that history is genuine or not, it's STILL part of our history. And I would regret it if history will be deleted or altered. My opinion.
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Souza, if you're deleting Front (and other unwanted) stuff from various threads, would it be possible to mark the posts as deleted, rather than wiping them clean away. I've found you get odd posts that don't make sense in a thread that has had posts deleted. Actually having the word 'deleted' would help (me, at least!) No worries if you can't or don't want to - just a thought.
Also, you've mentioned several times about stuff that needs investigating that you think people haven't been interested in of late. Is there anything specific you have in mind? I'm not sure how many of us still have the stomach or inclination for this, but I just wondered if it might help us move on in a positive way, if we had something other than 'characters' to get our teeth into. Bec has suggested going back to basics - again, I don't know how much enthusiasm can be mustered up for that. It does seem like we've gone way off course over the years and it might be useful to go back over stuff without the 'fluff'. IDK. I feel weary.
I will simply say "DELETED" where I delete, sure no problem.
With topics unexplored I mean actual stuff from Michael himself, or from the official media after his 'death'. There is still so much we haven't found simply because we thought there was nothing or because it was too much effort to go through it. His music, videos, evreything. For 2 years the hoax community focused on Pablo videos, Front poems and anything else OTHER people said. I think we should go back 4 years, pretend we don't know shit and start looking at Michael Jackson again. I bet there is tons still unnoticed.
I don't think deleting Front's posts is a good idea. Why do it? Whether or not Front is Paul, Mickey Mouse or Michael, he/she is part of our forum's history. And whether that history is genuine or not, it's STILL part of our history. And I would regret it if history will be deleted or altered. My opinion.
Don't worry, the Front crap will stay in the archive. I will only delete anything that has to do with Front from the threads with the old Back posts, so we can have a fresh view on that.
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King James Bible
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
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I'm starting to get dizzy again....I thought this thread was about trolls :animal0017:
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@frontback777 Hey~Drag~Queen.Thanks for making me FAmous.Show your 8 balls and tweet my other post as Well...:-) You are getting ~SloopY~.
Just a little update.....if you use and abuse my words, do it all....not just the part you need and use for your own benefit.
Front BABE you left the best part OUT!!
:michael_jackson-1135:
And my opinion on front?
If he is MJ he is very sick for showing pics and so called clues.
Better spending his precious time on his kids instead hours on twitter and the internet.
If he/she is not MJ....same illness.
And i know front is following every bit.
So dude this one is special for you.......FUCK YOU!
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Oh for crying out loud, what is going on around here? I thought we were going to leave this stuff behind. Chappie, if you want to address Front you know you can contact him on twitter or PureLove's forum - you didn't have to bring it here.
In case anyone cares, I'm so close to being done with all this nonsense, here ... there ... and everywhere.
Is all this part of a game - the (hoax) game? I sometimes feel like this is scripted, like everyone else must be playing a role and I'm about the only (clueless) spectator who doesn't know what the hell's going on, such is the overwhelming drama everywhere recently. I tell you, that's an easier explanation to understand than the totally unexpected, hate-filled scenario I witness now.
When did things stop being about Michael Jackson's 'death'?
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Is all this part of a game - the (hoax) game? I sometimes feel like this is scripted, like everyone else must be playing a role and I'm about the only (clueless) spectator who doesn't know what the hell's going on, such is the overwhelming drama everywhere recently. I tell you, that's an easier explanation to understand than the totally unexpected, hate-filled scenario I witness now.
When did things stop being about Michael Jackson's 'death'?
I'm not sure if this is part of the game or some random circumstances that came crashing together at the same time, but I've asked myself the same questions that you have. Is this supposed to be happening now? 4 years ...a huge division ... nearing the end of the trial .... Murray getting out ... and then?
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I thought the subject was closed ...
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I thought the subject was closed ...
It was, and it is again. I have learned one thing: Can't possibly please everyone. There will be another platform to discuss this topic and other off topic ones, for now this one is locked again.