Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: HistoricallyInvincible on June 25, 2013, 12:14:18 PM
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In 2012, I posted here that fans need to accept reality and move on with their lives. Some, understandably, didn't take that too well.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,22100.0.html
I then posted the following before I left:
I have enjoyed my brief time here. I came with only a positive attitude and while most welcomed me, I'm sorry others reacted with so much anger. But I'm even grateful to them for taking the time to answer my questions. Oh, wait, they didn't actually answer any of my questions.
Good luck. I'll check back in a year to see how the investigation is progressing.
www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,22143.msg388689.html
I returned in February to check back and posted the following:
Well, I'm checking back, as promised, and as I expected, nothing has changed. As I said last year, what I say is out of concern, not malice. Everyone is free to believe what they want, but the longer this goes on, the more of you should hopefully come to finally accept he's gone and that you've been waiting for something that can never happen. I'm sorry but I too wish MJ was still alive, but he's not.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23639.msg437310.html#msg437310
And now it's four years to the day since MJ died. Everyone is free to choose what they believe, but I think prolonging the fantasy that he's alive is just delaying the inevitable, which is coming to terms with the fact he's gone. How much longer do you want to keep fantasising that he's alive? Another 6 months? Another year? Two years? Five years? With everything that's happened recently, like Paris' suicide attempt, I see many of you panicking and trying to make it fit with your theories. I honestly thought that tragic incident would be a wake-up call but even that you've just incorporated into your fantasies. You genuinely want to believe that Michael is behind the scenes wanting the world to know every lurid detail about his health and mental state, that he's orchestrating the current trial and that he staged his own daughter's suicide attempt. This has gone beyond being in denial into out and out sickness.
I know I'll be banned imminently, as I was last time. That's fine. My parting words are that 1 year from now, you'll still be looking for "clues" in every film and commercial you watch, still telling each other "the best is yet to come", still telling each other that any day now he'll return, but the fact is, he's never returning, and for your own sake, it's time to accept reality, accept that his family - his mother, his father, his siblings - have repeatedly referred to him as being dead, and accept that his daughter is in a bad place emotionally because she lost her father and not for any bizarre, made-up reason that you've come up with to try and make it fit with your theories.
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"I know I'll be banned imminently"
Dont get my hopes up...
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Why are you so obsessed with this? I think it's time for you to move on, non-believer. Let it go. Focus on more positive pursuits for you. Good luck.
To everyone else: Happy 4 year anniversary of the day the whole world went crazy.
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Sure :icon_rolleyes:
Thanks bec, same to you. And to everyone.
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Why are you so obsessed with this? I think it's time for you to move on, non-believer. Let it go. Focus on more positive pursuits for you. Good luck.
To everyone else: Happy 4 year anniversary of the day the whole world went crazy.
True.
Happy 4 years to you, bec. :bearhug:
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6/25 is like a birthday for the Hoax Community..
Happy Birthday everyone! :multiplespotting:
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Why are you so obsessed with this? I think it's time for you to move on, non-believer. Let it go. Focus on more positive pursuits for you. Good luck.
To everyone else: Happy 4 year anniversary of the day the whole world went crazy.
That's what I don't understand aswell... Isn't it OUR business to do/write/think what WE please?! At least it's NOT your business...
:bearhug: to ALL of you out there!
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Happy 4 years everyone! You too HistoricallyInvincible! "The best is yet to come!" :icon_lol:
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I dont understand the bitterness towards beLIEvers, when there are so many people that say hateful things about michael. at least the beLIEvers love him, unlike the people that are falsely accusing him. Whether he is alive or dead i dont think michael would be offended by the beLIEvers so neither should you, now have a seat.
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Happy 4 years everyone! You too HistoricallyInvincible! "The best is yet to come!" :icon_lol:
Four years UNITED IN L.O.V.E. :bearhug: Love you all friends, happy June 25 !!!! It's a great adventure !!! :bearhug: :moonwalk_:
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Hi HistorycallyInvincible, although I respect your opinion, obviously I'm not with you on this. Thinking about the 4 years "to get it right", to get the wrongs righted, I believe that this hoax will end this year probably October (start counting at October 28, 2009).
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsvOkgnJhQ4[/youtube]
I'll NEVER stop beLIEving, I'll NEVER stop L.O.V.E.'ng and I will be waiting for the BIGGEST show on earth!
LOVE always
*edited post*
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Just wanted to "retweet" this :) :LolLolLolLol:
Why are you so obsessed with this? I think it's time for you to move on, non-believer. Let it go. Focus on more positive pursuits for you. Good luck.
To everyone else: Happy 4 year anniversary of the day the whole world went crazy.
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Why are you so obsessed with this? I think it's time for you to move on, non-believer. Let it go. Focus on more positive pursuits for you. Good luck.
To everyone else: Happy 4 year anniversary of the day the whole world went crazy.
Go there Bec!..... :th_bravo: ......i love to read and hear about beLIEvers such as yourself,i think its wonderful!!
Thanku 4 being such a great beLIEver.... :bearhug:
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Um I didn't see anyone 'panicking' over Paris suicide story, trying to 'fit it in' to theories...
And what? Your theory is to deny the evidence he is not dead and believe he is simply because 4 yrs have lapsed? No thanks. Can't deny logic. No amount of time that passes whether Mr Jackson ever returns or not, should incite one to believe he is dead. Especially because of the blatant clues / evidence that he's alive and that the death was a sham. The amount of time that has lapsed is irrelevant to the facts that are, because no amount of time that lapses can change evidence. Therefore 'time' is a "non issue"
Happy four years people!!! My only single regret is that I wish I arrived at the party earlier!! Since joining (2 yrs in aug!!) it's been awesome.
:multiplespotting:
Hoaxing isn't torturous. (Jmo) It's liberating and stimulating. Wouldn't trade it for the world, as I have loved every minute and continue to enjoy it.
Thank you Michael. Thank you team. Thank you Souza / Mods / all participants!!
L.O.V.E :smiley_abuv:
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In 2012, I posted here that fans need to accept reality and move on with their lives. Some, understandably, didn't take that too well.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,22100.0.html
I then posted the following before I left:
I have enjoyed my brief time here. I came with only a positive attitude and while most welcomed me, I'm sorry others reacted with so much anger. But I'm even grateful to them for taking the time to answer my questions. Oh, wait, they didn't actually answer any of my questions.
Good luck. I'll check back in a year to see how the investigation is progressing.
www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,22143.msg388689.html
I returned in February to check back and posted the following:
Well, I'm checking back, as promised, and as I expected, nothing has changed. As I said last year, what I say is out of concern, not malice. Everyone is free to believe what they want, but the longer this goes on, the more of you should hopefully come to finally accept he's gone and that you've been waiting for something that can never happen. I'm sorry but I too wish MJ was still alive, but he's not.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23639.msg437310.html#msg437310
And now it's four years to the day since MJ died. Everyone is free to choose what they believe, but I think prolonging the fantasy that he's alive is just delaying the inevitable, which is coming to terms with the fact he's gone. How much longer do you want to keep fantasising that he's alive? Another 6 months? Another year? Two years? Five years? With everything that's happened recently, like Paris' suicide attempt, I see many of you panicking and trying to make it fit with your theories. I honestly thought that tragic incident would be a wake-up call but even that you've just incorporated into your fantasies. You genuinely want to believe that Michael is behind the scenes wanting the world to know every lurid detail about his health and mental state, that he's orchestrating the current trial and that he staged his own daughter's suicide attempt. This has gone beyond being in denial into out and out sickness.
I know I'll be banned imminently, as I was last time. That's fine. My parting words are that 1 year from now, you'll still be looking for "clues" in every film and commercial you watch, still telling each other "the best is yet to come", still telling each other that any day now he'll return, but the fact is, he's never returning, and for your own sake, it's time to accept reality, accept that his family - his mother, his father, his siblings - have repeatedly referred to him as being dead, and accept that his daughter is in a bad place emotionally because she lost her father and not for any bizarre, made-up reason that you've come up with to try and make it fit with your theories.
??? No sir.Just NO !!!!!
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Edited my last post. Makes so much more sense, lol!!!
Stupid faulty iPhone keypad!
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Those with patience and endurance will be rewarded, the ones calling them crazy and sad will eat their words and we won't have to wait that long for that to happen...if you ask me.
Happy belated death day.
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No amount of time that passes whether Mr Jackson ever returns or not, should incite one to believe he is dead.
Well, you DO know everyone dies eventually, right? So even if he was alive, I don't see how it makes sense to say "No amount of time that passes whether Mr Jackson ever returns or not, should incite one to believe he is dead". If he's not back in 30 years, it'll be more than safe to say he's dead.
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No amount of time that passes whether Mr Jackson ever returns or not, should incite one to believe he is dead.
Well, you DO know everyone dies eventually, right? So even if he was alive, I don't see how it makes sense to say "No amount of time that passes whether Mr Jackson ever returns or not, should incite one to believe he is dead". If he's not back in 30 years, it'll be more than safe to say he's dead.
Girl, bye.
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Those with patience and endurance will be rewarded, the ones calling them crazy and sad will eat their words and we won't have to wait that long for that to happen...if you ask me.
Happy belated death day.
It is good to see you posting again Souza! :icon_razz:
I am still patient and waiting.
Reading and learning every day.
Groetjes uit Zwolle!
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No amount of time that passes whether Mr Jackson ever returns or not, should incite one to believe he is dead.
Well, you DO know everyone dies eventually, right? So even if he was alive, I don't see how it makes sense to say "No amount of time that passes whether Mr Jackson ever returns or not, should incite one to believe he is dead". If he's not back in 30 years, it'll be more than safe to say he's dead.
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So you're saying you think he's immortal?
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No, she's saying come back in 30 years and then you'll have a point.
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I just can't understand people who say that they decide to stop believing bcs this is way too long and that they won't wait forever.... I mean this hoax is just so logical (oh..maybe with some exceptions lol) that once you've realized MJ faked his death, nothing can change your conviction... It's like saying - "ok, i stop believing in gravity" while still living in the same world.... - it's just absuuurrddd!
Ps. Happy birthday everyone!!!! (I'm sure we're getting on deaders' nerves while saying this :P)
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OK, well I made my points. I didn't expect to change anyone's minds, and I didn't come to make trouble or troll. I just wanted to give an objective perspective on what you're all saying. I'll leave you to it.
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No amount of time that passes whether Mr Jackson ever returns or not, should incite one to believe he is dead.
Well, you DO know everyone dies eventually, right? So even if he was alive, I don't see how it makes sense to say "No amount of time that passes whether Mr Jackson ever returns or not, should incite one to believe he is dead". If he's not back in 30 years, it'll be more than safe to say he's dead.
Wow how facetious. Of course he will die a happy old man in the distant future. He is mortal and human after all.
If you're splitting hairs, I'm saying that no matter how much time passes, 4 yrs, 6, yrs, 10 yrs, heck even 500 years, it doesn't change the fact / shouldn't incite one to believe he died on 25.06.09. Referring to death hoax date if you want me to be more precise. 500 years can pass. Doesn't change the fact nothing adds up on 25.06.09 and all signs point to hoax.
:icon_rolleyes:
Time is irrelevant.
And by the way, the investigators have been 'objective' which is why a hoax can be deduced. It is 'emotive' reasoning instead of 'objective' reasoning that says that he's dead.
Anyways, well wishes and good luck to you. Something tells me that on the 5th anniversary of the hoax, you won't be back telling people to accept reality that MJ is dead....
:LolLolLolLol:
:michael-jackson: :michael-jackson: :michael-jackson:
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Hey Killer :bearhug:
...still alive :WTF:
:thjajaja121: :thjajaja121:
Thought another hoax in the air.
Nice to discover you are alive and kicking!
BTW starting countdown now....25!
:abouttime:
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I'll leave you to it.
:icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: Now even I would drink to that one!!!!!!
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Why are you so obsessed with this? I think it's time for you to move on, non-believer. Let it go. Focus on more positive pursuits for you. Good luck.
To everyone else: Happy 4 year anniversary of the day the whole world went crazy.
Right :icon_e_smile:
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Those with patience and endurance will be rewarded, the ones calling them crazy and sad will eat their words and we won't have to wait that long for that to happen...if you ask me.
Happy belated death day.
Woww Souza !!! :bearhug:
Forever..... simply, it's all for L.O.V.E. :bearhug:
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I'll leave you to it.
:icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: Now even I would drink to that one!!!!!!
Cheers everyone!
HI, thanks for stopping by! Keep in touch for the next celebration, and there WILL be one!
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And why the obsecion with this forum and its people :icon_question:
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I think they're a closet believer :icon_e_wink:
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Heehee!
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The reality is that we have spent almost 4 years together. Searching out and sharing the truths of MJ....there's no place I would have rather been. Life has a tremendous learning curve at times. We have worked our tushes off to keep up and help others succeed in knowing the
the truth. The old saying. ... You can lead a horse to water, but you can not make him drink.......runs through my mind. The truth is here....
just waiting to be believed. Yes.... Closet believers, closet fans even.....lol, to support MJ can be a walk on the wild side.
Souza..... Miss seeing ya...... Hope all is well ...... Bec..... Always a pleasure to read ur words.......
Thank you .........
Blessings Always
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4 years have past! Michael's message it still in the air "We have 4 years left". But now these 4 years are gone now and I don't know if we still have time to change anything around us, if it's too late because there is really nothing to be done or if we have really achieved something during these 4 years. Did we believers made MJ proud or did we disappoint him! I guess the riddle of these 4 years in not solved yet!
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@ bec I think they're a closet believer
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The old saying. ... You can lead a horse to water, but you can not make him drink.......
Yes, but you can put salt in his mouth and make him thirsty!! And that is what this site has done to those who criticize us! They are just as thirty for the actually truth as anyone. They just lack the necessary qualities to follow thru and hold out until the end!
The prize will go to those who hold out until the end! I guarantee!!!!!
And yes, MJONMIND, I intend to be around for the celebration! :multiplespotting:
Stay blessed!
OnTheWingsOfLove
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The lack of answer doesn't mean the question was useless.
I agree we are 4 years now since MJ "left" but the fact that he is not returning doesn't proove he is dead in any way.
As long as you believe he is not dead on june 25th 2009, there is no reason to change your mind 4 years later.
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No amount of time that passes whether Mr Jackson ever returns or not, should incite one to believe he is dead.
Well, you DO know everyone dies eventually, right? So even if he was alive, I don't see how it makes sense to say "No amount of time that passes whether Mr Jackson ever returns or not, should incite one to believe he is dead". If he's not back in 30 years, it'll be more than safe to say he's dead.
Why are you wasting your precious time in a place where people believe 100% Michael is alive? we celebrate Michael's life and hoax every single day and nothing/nobody will makes us change our minds, I think you are walking the wrong path by posting here you won't change our mind, Michael IS making a great artwork which shouldn't be missed.
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Those with patience and endurance will be rewarded, the ones calling them crazy and sad will eat their words and we won't have to wait that long for that to happen...if you ask me.
Happy belated death day.
Wise words, Happy belated death day to all of you. :icon_bounce:
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No amount of time that passes whether Mr Jackson ever returns or not, should incite one to believe he is dead.
Well, you DO know everyone dies eventually, right? So even if he was alive, I don't see how it makes sense to say "No amount of time that passes whether Mr Jackson ever returns or not, should incite one to believe he is dead". If he's not back in 30 years, it'll be more than safe to say he's dead.
If after 30 years he doesn't come back it will be his choice and we'll have to accept it and respect it but that fact won't make us believe he is dead.
Bec:
No, she's saying come back in 30 years and then you'll have a point.
:LolLolLolLol: :icon_lol:
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No amount of time that passes whether Mr Jackson ever returns or not, should incite one to believe he is dead.
Well, you DO know everyone dies eventually, right? So even if he was alive, I don't see how it makes sense to say "No amount of time that passes whether Mr Jackson ever returns or not, should incite one to believe he is dead". If he's not back in 30 years, it'll be more than safe to say he's dead.
If after 30 years he doesn't come back it will be his choice and we'll have to accept it and respect it but that fact won't make us believe he is dead.
Bec:
No, she's saying come back in 30 years and then you'll have a point.
:LolLolLolLol: :icon_lol:
:th_bravo: :moonwalk_: (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Content/a_plain.gif)
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Hi all !
I'm here since 2009 and I always believed in the Hoax and that Michael will come back.
I really hope we're in the last year of the Hoax (with this "4 years" thing), because I have to admit that I begin to have a beginning of a doubt in my mind.
I think that if he's not back this year, and if we don't have a clear end of all this Hoax story, I will definitely never believe again.
So this topic of HistoricallyInvincible is legit: what if we all wrong and can't admit the truth ?
Have a good day !
Cheers form France !
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hi cameron...i understand your feelings but i've got one thing to say...it takes a lot of time for good things to happen.
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The reality is that this is a death hoax of a magnificent proportion. We simply do not have all the answers, we are not meant to.
From my viewpoint, it's a faith-based lesson of L.O.V.E. Like AussieMJbeLIEver said, "time is irrelevant". Time only matters
when the hours are counted. I don't believe MJ designed this hoax to be timed in any way. It's free flowing and takes on its
own twists and turns.....adding hours, days and perhaps years. From all that I have read about MJ....he studies people. I don't
believe he could have structured this hoax to fit neatly inside a timeframe of any type. Only he will know when the time is right
to return...if ever. If he doesn't, so be it. He gave us plenty of clues to understand the truth of June 25th......a false death. There's
nothing that could sway me on that opinion. I suggest to anyone who is having doubts....start over. Watch the ambulance, the helicopter
videos. Read the coroner's report again....watch classic hoax videos.....re-watch the Murray trial....you'll get it.
Blessings
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The reality is that this is a death hoax of a magnificent proportion. We simply do not have all the answers, we are not meant to.
From my viewpoint, it's a faith-based lesson of L.O.V.E. Like AussieMJbeLIEver said, "time is irrelevant". Time only matters
when the hours are counted. I don't believe MJ designed this hoax to be timed in any way. It's free flowing and takes on its
own twists and turns.....adding hours, days and perhaps years. From all that I have read about MJ....he studies people. I don't
believe he could have structured this hoax to fit neatly inside a timeframe of any type. Only he will know when the time is right
to return...if ever. If he doesn't, so be it. He gave us plenty of clues to understand the truth of June 25th......a false death. There's
nothing that could sway me on that opinion. I suggest to anyone who is having doubts....start over. Watch the ambulance, the helicopter
videos. Read the coroner's report again....watch classic hoax videos.....re-watch the Murray trial....you'll get it.
Blessings
:moonwalk_: Right Wishin... :bearhug: is a great hoax adventure !!! :moonwalk_:
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The reality is that this is a death hoax of a magnificent proportion. We simply do not have all the answers, we are not meant to.
From my viewpoint, it's a faith-based lesson of L.O.V.E. Like AussieMJbeLIEver said, "time is irrelevant". Time only matters
when the hours are counted. I don't believe MJ designed this hoax to be timed in any way. It's free flowing and takes on its
own twists and turns.....adding hours, days and perhaps years. From all that I have read about MJ....he studies people. I don't
believe he could have structured this hoax to fit neatly inside a timeframe of any type. Only he will know when the time is right
to return...if ever. If he doesn't, so be it. He gave us plenty of clues to understand the truth of June 25th......a false death. There's
nothing that could sway me on that opinion. I suggest to anyone who is having doubts....start over. Watch the ambulance, the helicopter
videos. Read the coroner's report again....watch classic hoax videos.....re-watch the Murray trial....you'll get it.
Blessings
hello all, although I must say that the wait, I get anxious, I agree with everyone here, no matter how much time passes. Time does not change the facts, but also, the more I look back, but I'm sure it's all a big hoax.
Glad to see we're all together and strong, I love you all :bearhug:
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Time Doubts.
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Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.
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#1 Proud BeLIEver!!
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I love Michael Jackson, dead or alive.
I do not know what to believe anymore, but still 25/06/2009 doesn't make too much sense...or Dave Dave.
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I love Michael Jackson, dead or alive.
I do not know what to believe anymore, but still 25/06/2009 doesn't make too much sense...or Dave Dave.
Gina :bearhug: happy to see you !!!! :bearhug:
I...... believer from here to the eternity!!!! :moonwalk_: :bearhug:
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I love Michael Jackson, dead or alive.
I do not know what to believe anymore, but still 25/06/2009 doesn't make too much sense...or Dave Dave.
OOPS, THERE IT IS!! :icon_bounce: u took the words right out of my mouth. DAVE DAVE, i have no doubt, that was mike. then there are TOYS in a court room?? :icon_e_surprised: (since when)....and on & on & on & on :WTF: :icon_lol:
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No amount of time that passes whether Mr Jackson ever returns or not, should incite one to believe he is dead.
Well, you DO know everyone dies eventually, right? So even if he was alive, I don't see how it makes sense to say "No amount of time that passes whether Mr Jackson ever returns or not, should incite one to believe he is dead". If he's not back in 30 years, it'll be more than safe to say he's dead.
from time to time doubt does creep n2 my mind, then i think of the above mentioned things & i doubt my doubts. :Pulling_hair:
whether dead or alive the mj hoax HAS NOT BEEN A WASTE OF TIME. through this venue people have learned so much of what is ACTUALLY going on in the world around them, on many forums, that would've still been in the dark. this was always mike's msgs in his songs. but, we were to busy bopping to the beat & not understanding his msgs. so for that i am VERY PLEASED. for this reason i will continue to check in for another 4....no 40 yrs ( wow, i'll be 96 :-\). also friendships have been made & alliances (FOR THE GOOD) have been formed. yes we all die physically eventually. but u DO know that we are SPIRITUAL BEINGS HAVING A HUMAN EXPERIENCE and not HUMAN BEINGS HAVING A SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE and the spirit NEVER dies. those we love are ALWAYS alive in our hearts. so in closing i'd like to say :images: (don't take it personal) i've waited almost 4 yrs for opportunity to present itself so that i could use that.....and for this I THANK YOU :bowdown:
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very well said!! :th_bravo: :abouttime:
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Recently I have been readin Michael jackson: the magic and the madness; although I DID believe that there was something fishy about MJ's "death" etc, I also felt that people on here were putting him on a pedstal - making him seem more cunning and "mastermindy" than he actually was - but after reading that book, I think I was very wrong. did when he was alive, the way he manipulated the media and people to his advantage was incredible. A lot of times he did go about things in quite a "spoiled" way, he knew what he wanted and he went for it. I do not think he is a saint at all, infact I think he could be rather devious - but I don't think he was a bad person at all either - he was just a man, who in his genius stumbled across users and abusers- he had to be clever and devious to survive in that difficult and painful world. So yes, I can definately see, with all the mounting evidence over the years that a faked death is really not a ridiculous notion at all, infact.... it would follow the pattern of his life and behavior perfectly.....
If you're out there MJ, and if you have escaped to live a better more free life- good for you :) and if you did indeed die...well at least you are free now :bearhug:
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I see many non-beLIEvers / half-beLIEvers lately on the forum, is it no clear that Michael faked his death yet? I think it's already too late to think that way :icon_e_confused:
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Sunset, anyone who is starting to doubt now, was never really convinced in the first place. Once you know, you know, and no amount of time will alter that.
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sunset & curls - none of us knows 100% whether he is actually dead or alive. just as with elvis' & tupac's death hoax, none of those believers can say 100% that they didn't die. i never was into elvis' or tupac's death hoax so i don't know what led people to believe that. there are a lot of things surrounding mike's death to make people question things. but, as he told us some people would do ANYTHING FOR MONEY. maybe the different comeback dates & inconsistencies were meant to put some doubt in our minds. i remember there was this u-tube channel that had a lot of info on mike & J-5 before they made it big with pics & vids that i never saw in the public before. i asked how did u get so much info, pics & vids....who r u? i received an e-mail back with a GORGEOUS, SEXY, MOUTH WATERING PIC OF MIKE. i was shocked for a second and then thought someone's playing games with me. the channel is now gone. i want nothing more than mike to make his big GRAND BAMM entrance and shock the world. even then i would still need proof. with the technology they have today, holographic & cloning who knows. but, if he comes & attempts to take down the evil & corruption @ least i'll know who's side he's on. we on this forum beLIEve, feel, think, hope & pray but do we really know and can back it up with tangible proof.
i live by the saying, believe none of what u hear & half of what u see (esp in today's world). i hope mike does come back while i'm still here. should he decide to never come back, as long as he's happy that's all that matters. i know he's out there trying to make this a better place for humanity. i miss him SOOOO MUCH :(
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luvandmissumike, in answer to your first sentence I'd say I do know 100% that Michael Jackson didn't die on 25th June 2009 and I'm pretty darned confident he's still alive now.
After that sentence you kind of lost me! if you're suggesting it's someone else's hoax, for money, well that's been thrashed out here before - nothing points to that, whereas loads points to it being MJ's personal meticulous, long planned work.
Forgive me but I think you're doing a huge disservice to years of objective investigation, if you think those of us who believe 100% do so on the basis of 'feel, think, hope and pray'. Granted, the evidence that 'would stand up in a court of law' has always sort of evaded us, but I kind of believe it was designed that way. Can't be too obvious can it?
Lastly, please don't do 'sad face' and say you miss him - open your eyes, heart and mind and you'll see he's still here. You're probably closer to him now than ever you were in his 'old' life.
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luvandmissumike, in answer to your first sentence I'd say I do know 100% that Michael Jackson didn't die on 25th June 2009 and I'm pretty darned confident he's still alive now.
After that sentence you kind of lost me! if you're suggesting it's someone else's hoax, for money, well that's been thrashed out here before - nothing points to that, whereas loads points to it being MJ's personal meticulous, long planned work.
Forgive me but I think you're doing a huge disservice to years of objective investigation, if you think those of us who believe 100% do so on the basis of 'feel, think, hope and pray'. Granted, the evidence that 'would stand up in a court of law' has always sort of evaded us, but I kind of believe it was designed that way. Can't be too obvious can it?
Lastly, please don't do 'sad face' and say you miss him - open your eyes, heart and mind and you'll see he's still here. You're probably closer to him now than ever you were in his 'old' life.
my intent was not to do a disservice to any hoax investigation. i actually appreciate :th_bravo: :bowdown: the time and energy that went into it. my focus was on revealing the corruption & evil that mike spoke of, so i didn't have the time or energy to get to deep into this investigation. it amazed me how in depth you all went into trying to figure things out / piece the puzzle. also, by no means would i throw away the thought that someone else could be behind this. those that i am speaking of (secret societies) are know for there long term goals. not just decades in the planning but centuries, past down from one generation to the next (on many different levels). mike probably knew of this & developed the long range plan of his own. i also know that they are responsible for taking out people such as kennedy, king, lennon, marley and countless others that envisioned peace, unity and equality. anyone that is a threat to their long range plans are exterminated. to them MIKE WAS A THREAT. he had a huge following, rich, powerful, and owned one of the most lucrative music catalogs. presidents, kings & queens could not draw the masses of people that he did. no one else could unify people the way that he did. they do not want peace, there's no money (weapon sales, natural resources) in peace
for those that are 100% i am not trying to take anything away from that. but for me personally to commit to 100%, i need something tangible.
and i do miss him, i miss seeing his face, hearing him sing & laugh, & seeing him dance. his generous heart & speeches of loving & caring for each other. yes, i could look at old things, but that's just it....there old. i've watched him since he was a child to a young man. now i'd like to see what a mature mike can do...see what he's working with. unfortunately 'this is it' never happened so we don't know.
as for 6-25-09, i'm still here. so something inside of me is NOT adding up. i do pray that this is HIS meticulous plan, and he outsmarted them. i just can't give it 100% because i know how devious those in power can be. so much so the info could possibly blow ur brain from out of ur head and rock u to your core......EVIL PERSONIFIED !!
when mike sang 'they don't really care about us' that was an understatement.
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Thanks for coming back with a fuller explanation of where you're coming from. We're looking at all this from different angles, and that's ok!
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luvandmissumike, in answer to your first sentence I'd say I do know 100% that Michael Jackson didn't die on 25th June 2009 and I'm pretty darned confident he's still alive now.
After that sentence you kind of lost me! if you're suggesting it's someone else's hoax, for money, well that's been thrashed out here before - nothing points to that, whereas loads points to it being MJ's personal meticulous, long planned work.
Forgive me but I think you're doing a huge disservice to years of objective investigation, if you think those of us who believe 100% do so on the basis of 'feel, think, hope and pray'. Granted, the evidence that 'would stand up in a court of law' has always sort of evaded us, but I kind of believe it was designed that way. Can't be too obvious can it?
Lastly, please don't do 'sad face' and say you miss him - open your eyes, heart and mind and you'll see he's still here. You're probably closer to him now than ever you were in his 'old' life.
my intent was not to do a disservice to any hoax investigation. i actually appreciate :th_bravo: :bowdown: the time and energy that went into it. my focus was on revealing the corruption & evil that mike spoke of, so i didn't have the time or energy to get to deep into this investigation. it amazed me how in depth you all went into trying to figure things out / piece the puzzle. also, by no means would i throw away the thought that someone else could be behind this. those that i am speaking of (secret societies) are know for there long term goals. not just decades in the planning but centuries, past down from one generation to the next (on many different levels). mike probably knew of this & developed the long range plan of his own. i also know that they are responsible for taking out people such as kennedy, king, lennon, marley and countless others that envisioned peace, unity and equality. anyone that is a threat to their long range plans are exterminated. to them MIKE WAS A THREAT. he had a huge following, rich, powerful, and owned one of the most lucrative music catalogs. presidents, kings & queens could not draw the masses of people that he did. no one else could unify people the way that he did. they do not want peace, there's no money (weapon sales, natural resources) in peace
for those that are 100% i am not trying to take anything away from that. but for me personally to commit to 100%, i need something tangible.
and i do miss him, i miss seeing his face, hearing him sing & laugh, & seeing him dance. his generous heart & speeches of loving & caring for each other. yes, i could look at old things, but that's just it....there old. i've watched him since he was a child to a young man. now i'd like to see what a mature mike can do...see what he's working with. unfortunately 'this is it' never happened so we don't know.
as for 6-25-09, i'm still here. so something inside of me is NOT adding up. i do pray that this is HIS meticulous plan, and he outsmarted them. i just can't give it 100% because i know how devious those in power can be. so much so the info could possibly blow ur brain from out of ur head and rock u to your core......EVIL PERSONIFIED !!
when mike sang 'they don't really care about us' that was an understatement.
There is something to say about both these opinions. I've been here from the start, but I have to admit that I was not such a good investigator as many of you are, though I followed the main lines. Especially in the beginning I was pretty convinced that a long planned hoax was in the works which would totally vindicate Michael of his past demons, torture and trash that was written about him. There were so many clues that pointed to a hoax. But....sometimes I start to doubt the explanation of some of the clues. To give an example of what I mean: we assume that Mike isn't dead and isn't burried at Forrest Lawn, because there is no name on the grave.....is it a clue or is he secretly burried at Neverland, to give him the peace he deserves? Remember the concrete that was delivered at Neverland after Michaels 'passing'? Perhaps it was needed to build a tomb....
Joseph was interviewd 2 days after his son died and promoted his new label laughing but also there was a memorial where fans were invited an made costs to travel to because they 'won' tickets.....for a fake memorial?
Also the latest events (with Paris, Wade Robson and the AEG/estate trial) make me doubt even more. I cannot fathom that Katherine and the kids, especially at their ages, have to go through all of this trash. Or they are all impersonators? Many things that I read aren't flattering to Michael also....not that I believe the trash, but others do (read the comments on TMZ for example). I hate myself for thinking about this but I can't help it....that's also the reason why I am afraid that he isn't coming back. i keep asking myself: what would be his explanation for this HOAX and will the general public buy it? It has to be a world shocking revelation and explanation and I KNOW Michael is capable of that and that's why I hate my doubts but I'm just so afraid for him and his family, if they can handle what will be coming their way after a comeback.
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I see many non-beLIEvers / half-beLIEvers lately on the forum, is it no clear that Michael faked his death yet? I think it's already too late to think that way :icon_e_confused:
Agrre sweet...
Forever beLIEver !!!!! :beerchug: unless... :icon_e_wink:...unless.... :icon_mrgreen:....unless.. :michael-jackson: BAM !!
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luvandmissumike, in answer to your first sentence I'd say I do know 100% that Michael Jackson didn't die on 25th June 2009 and I'm pretty darned confident he's still alive now.
After that sentence you kind of lost me! if you're suggesting it's someone else's hoax, for money, well that's been thrashed out here before - nothing points to that, whereas loads points to it being MJ's personal meticulous, long planned work.
Forgive me but I think you're doing a huge disservice to years of objective investigation, if you think those of us who believe 100% do so on the basis of 'feel, think, hope and pray'. Granted, the evidence that 'would stand up in a court of law' has always sort of evaded us, but I kind of believe it was designed that wa
y. Can't be too obvious can it?
Lastly, please don't do 'sad face' and say you miss him - open your eyes, heart and mind and you'll see he's still here. You're probably closer to him now than ever you were in his 'old' life.
Wow you are awesome my friend you know how to explain your thoughts I agree 10000000% with you I don't believe but I know Michael is alive and in Front of us on the other side of the screen because deep inside he is an entertainer and can't live without his audience which I am safe to say somehow is his life.
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@Do I do really believe that one of the main reasons why Michael has pulled off this hoax is to teach his sons how to be hard warriors and learn how to fight against devilish situations and teach them how to protect themsellves from being fooled by anyone or any situation, concerning his mom I think the hoax is being a special Gift to her from him (Michael) because I can imagine how much Mrs Jackson has suffered all her life seeing the way her son has been slandered and now she will be able to witness a full vindication and his name clearing once and for all, I know she is sugfering much during this whole hoax but....isn't it worth if everything is gonna be for his son' sake? Please think twice.
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Just like some others here, I am not quite sure what to believe anymore. I only really hope that wherever he is he's happy. Whether he's moonwalking in a hideout somewhere or with the angels in heaven, his love here on earth will never die.
Although, admittedly, the circumstances of his "disappearance" are more than peculiar and raise tons of questions. I mean, when I show some of the "hoax evidence" to friends who are non-believers, even they have to admit that almost nothing adds up.