Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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PARIS JACKSON
POSSIBLE SUICIDE ATTEMPT
Rushed to Hospital
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/06/05/0605-paris-jackson-3.jpg)
Paris Jackson was rushed to the hospital early Wednesday morning, and sources tell us it was a suicide attempt.
Paris was taken out of her Calabasas family house on a stretcher at around 2 AM and taken by ambulance to a nearby hospital.
The 911 call came in at 1:27 AM. We're told the caller reported a possible overdose, although a source connected to the emergency response said there was cutting.
On Tuesday night ... Paris posted some cryptic tweets, including, "I wonder why tears are salty?" ... and "yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away now it looks as though they're here to stay."
We're told she's doing ok.
http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/05/paris-jackson-hospitalized-attempted-suicide-911-call/
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And this:
Exclusive: Paris Jackson Suicide Attempt Confirmed
June 05, 2013
Debbie Rowe has confirmed exclusively to Entertainment Tonight that Paris Jackson tried to commit suicide and is currently in a Los Angeles hospital.
She was rushed to the hospital with cuts on her wrist in the early morning hours. Rowe tells ET that Jackson has had "a lot going on [lately]."
LA County Fire confirms to ET that they received a 911 call for an overdose at 1:15 a.m. and one person was transported to hospital.
10 hours ago, Jackson Tweeted, "yesterday , all my troubles seemed so far away ... now it looks as though they're here to stay."
http://www.etonline.com/news/134804_Debbie_Rowe_Confirms_Paris_Jackson_Suicide_Attempt/index.html (http://www.etonline.com/news/134804_Debbie_Rowe_Confirms_Paris_Jackson_Suicide_Attempt/index.html)
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I'm praying she's okay!
I can't believe this has happened.
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:icon_pale: ...no child should endure such pain... every child should go to bed with a smile on the face and look forward to happy dreams and a beautiful new morning/day with joy and laughter... EVERY CHILD (and Paris is still a child although she's very mature for her age)
All the best to her!!! :bearhug:
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We know the media lies. That being said, I pray that Paris is ok and hope that these reports are untrue.
Too many teens are committing suicide, especially recently, mostly because of bullying - which needs to STOP. People need to smarten up and spread love, not hate.
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It´s tue just found this http://www.etonline.com/news/134804_Debbie_Rowe_Confirms_Paris_Jackson_Suicide_Attempt/index.html
I think there is too much presure on this kids, they are overexposed. They need their pricvacy.Hope she gets well. :bearhug:
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I don't believe it.
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This is too much. I sure do hope this is meant to be Michael's cue to walk back into the picture clear as day to save his girl's life. It would be nice if this is a ploy for his cue. Seems like too much info is being released for it to be true as I would think they'd try to keep it quiet for now... But, I have to admit, the situation is making me nervous. Suicide is nothing to play/ploy with. I don't k ow what to believe at the moment.
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God, I knew this would happen , since she became dark and transformed to this rock look or whatever
felt she became a little pessimistic , don't really know what the family will decide , Rehab or not ? but she really needs it .
and Maybe this whole story is real , and maybe not .. , I Hope she is okay , hang in their paris !
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TMZ updates:
9:51AM PST: A source closely connected to Paris tells TMZ ... she has "tried this [a possible suicide attempt] in the past" but "this was far more serious. It was not a cry for help."
10:14 AM PST: A source connected to the family tells TMZ ... Paris "threw a fit" last night after she was told she couldn't go to a Marilyn Manson concert. We're told she ran into her room screaming and slammed the door.
10:14 AM PST: Debbie Rowe's lawyer, Eric George, tells TMZ: "We appreciate everyone's thoughts for Paris at this time and their respect for the family's privacy."
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I don't know what to believe, I truly hope it isn't true.
Although TMZ is reporting that Paris is okay, I'm worried, maybe because I'm a mom of teenagers. Paris had to endure a lot lately because of the trial and the media circus, possibly she was stressed out too because of haters on internet and possibly there was more. I know that teenager's brains are more sensitive to stress. I'm just thinking out loud and I wish I could help her. But again, I hope this news isn't true.
A compassionate mom :bearhug: to you Paris.
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I don't believe it.
I'm going with my gut and agreeing with you. Here's more from radar on line
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/06/paris-jackson-possible-suicide-attempt-ambulance-drove-over-edge/ (http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/06/paris-jackson-possible-suicide-attempt-ambulance-drove-over-edge/)
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I'm with bec and RK. I can't believe that Paris would do this, not that I know her but it just doesn't ring true at all.
TMZ writes BS stuff about the Jacksons all the time - does anyone know if they broke the story?
The tweets seem to be a set up - foreshadowing.
And then there's the timing for this to happen with everything else that's going on.
But who knows what's really going on. Paris has to deal with a lot but she is strong.
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Oh my god... I'm so confused and sad right now. I pray this isn't true.
twitter Front tweeted this before this happened.....
Front @frontback777 22h
"Mommy, if I go to sleep will I wake up?" <---no child should have to endure that kind of fear...EVER.
Idk if that has something to do with this or... ugh. I just hope so bad this isn't true. Paris, we love you.
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This is reminiscent in EVERY facet of the "michael jackson death phenomena." . the family has always ascertained that michael would never intentionally harm himself to the point in which he commits suicide. Conrad Murray had supposedly iterated that michael injected himself and committed suicide. so suddenly paris jackson is overcome with a substantial amount of grief that would cause her to attempt suicide in the MONTH that michael allegedly departed from us? Not buying this. It's trash. absolute garbage and sensationalism. This is part of michael's plan to resurrect himself. I know Paris is a teenager, and I don't want to begin to downplay this by any means, however, what could provoke paris to initiate such an act when I truly believe that she has a lot to look forward to in her life. She has been raised by a remarkable human being and comes from an relentlessly strong family. Her family has such profound convictions and they see life from a very optimistic perspective. What could have prompted any of the jackson, let alone paris, to even entertain the thought of possibly departing from this world?
this is only the beginning of the shocker...
I think this is the indicator that something even more complex is on the horizon.
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This is reminiscent in EVERY facet of the "michael jackson death phenomena." . the family has always ascertained that michael would never intentionally harm himself to the point in which he commits suicide. Conrad Murray had supposedly iterated that michael injected himself and committed suicide. so suddenly paris jackson is overcome with a substantial amount of grief that would cause her to attempt suicide in the MONTH that michael allegedly departed from us? Not buying this. It's trash. absolute garbage and sensationalism. This is part of michael's plan to resurrect himself. I know Paris is a teenager, and I don't want to begin to downplay this by any means, however, what could provoke paris to initiate such an act when I truly believe that she has a lot to look forward to in her life. She has been raised by a remarkable human being and comes from an relentlessly strong family. Her family has such profound convictions and they see life from a very optimistic perspective. What could have prompted any of the jackson, let alone paris, to even entertain the thought of possibly departing from this world?
this is only the beginning of the shocker...
I think this is the indicator that something even more complex is on the horizon.
well I hope your right, cause I need a cigarette right now..... this is crazy
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This is reminiscent in EVERY facet of the "michael jackson death phenomena." . the family has always ascertained that michael would never intentionally harm himself to the point in which he commits suicide. Conrad Murray had supposedly iterated that michael injected himself and committed suicide. so suddenly paris jackson is overcome with a substantial amount of grief that would cause her to attempt suicide in the MONTH that michael allegedly departed from us? Not buying this. It's trash. absolute garbage and sensationalism. This is part of michael's plan to resurrect himself. I know Paris is a teenager, and I don't want to begin to downplay this by any means, however, what could provoke paris to initiate such an act when I truly believe that she has a lot to look forward to in her life. She has been raised by a remarkable human being and comes from an relentlessly strong family. Her family has such profound convictions and they see life from a very optimistic perspective. What could have prompted any of the jackson, let alone paris, to even entertain the thought of possibly departing from this world?
this is only the beginning of the shocker...
I think this is the indicator that something even more complex is on the horizon.
Mrbigshot , i agree with you it's only the beginning of the shocker, Like yeah Paris Survived a lot of hard times in her life
so why doing this right now ? (Exactly in June) and we know she is a tough kid , Not Easily Broken
and come on TMZ says it started when her request to go to a Marylin Manson concert was denied ? (You Can Do better TMZ) it doesn't really worth it ..
So yes she has “a lot going on [lately.]“ So what ?? She survived tougher times before and we know it , i still don't believe it
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I can't believe that Paris wouldn't want to be here to see her Mom's brand new foal grow up. Wouldn't that be a 15 year olds dream come true? Nope...not buying it. Too much to live for and enjoy doing it.
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And now there is talk on the other forum Paris cut her arm before???
If this is true..why did we never hear anything about it??
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/06/05/0605-paris-jackson-wrist-splash-v2-3.jpg
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And now there is talk on the other forum Paris cut her arm before???
If this is true..why did we never hear anything about it??
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/06/05/0605-paris-jackson-wrist-splash-v2-3.jpg
I´ve heard about it some weeks ago. It´s been in the news in Germany.
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Just maybe a week ago, Paris had something like this in her twitter header:
NEVER HARM YOURSELF OR OTHERS
I don't think she would do this to herself... I'm starting to feel now too this is part of the hoax
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This is reminiscent in EVERY facet of the "michael jackson death phenomena." . the family has always ascertained that michael would never intentionally harm himself to the point in which he commits suicide. Conrad Murray had supposedly iterated that michael injected himself and committed suicide. so suddenly paris jackson is overcome with a substantial amount of grief that would cause her to attempt suicide in the MONTH that michael allegedly departed from us? Not buying this. It's trash. absolute garbage and sensationalism. This is part of michael's plan to resurrect himself. I know Paris is a teenager, and I don't want to begin to downplay this by any means, however, what could provoke paris to initiate such an act when I truly believe that she has a lot to look forward to in her life. She has been raised by a remarkable human being and comes from an relentlessly strong family. Her family has such profound convictions and they see life from a very optimistic perspective. What could have prompted any of the jackson, let alone paris, to even entertain the thought of possibly departing from this world?
this is only the beginning of the shocker...
I think this is the indicator that something even more complex is on the horizon.
Mrbigshot , i agree with you it's only the beginning of the shocker, Like yeah Paris Survived a lot of hard times in her life
so why doing this right now ? (Exactly in June) and we know she is a tough kid , Not Easily Broken
and come on TMZ says it started when her request to go to a Marylin Manson concert ? it doesn't really worth it ..
So yes she has “a lot going on [lately.]“ So what ?? She survived tougher times before and we know it , i still don't believe it
I'm sure paris's competency is unquestionably sound. Michael has such a dire appreciation for life, and I'm sure has relayed the message of the beauty life has conceived for human beings. I must admit, I have contemplated suicide at points in my life when I was an adolescent, but I would never resort to such actions because I felt that I would be disappointing myself by eradicating the increasing potential that I was bound to fulfill. It mainly comes down to that. The only certainty we have on earth is the life we are given, so why ultimately cut it short for an afterlife that we are completely uncertain? What if the next life is just as painful...and we are faced to endure the pain and sorrow all over again? Then what? Reincarnation is a bitch (excuse my language.) But that is a whole another avenue of discussion for a different point in time...
Paris has so much to live for...
but only one reason to die.
why would should she trade that for an early demise, knowing that she has so much more left to give to this world?
we are all remarkably beautiful and have something we have to showcase to the world we thrive in.
take a moment to grasp onto the preciousness of life that has the ability to inspire and captivate us all.
Paris jackson, truth or not, you are a beautiful, compassionate human being who deserves to live her life out to the greatest potential.
too many times we are faced with debilitating issues...that are inhibit our ability to function and succeed.
if this is true,
then she shouldn't let slightly negative portion of life consume her identity and mak that dictate the future of her life.
I'm alive today because I have something to live for, and an endless supply of hope which will help to plant this cultivated heart to bloom into something stronger.
if paris is really having issues, she must grow a garden for herself internally so that she may prosper and grow into the beautiful garden that she will become inside her soul.
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Oh, how sad if true. I just saw this thread, I'm at work and hadn't seen it yet. Paris is mature for her age , that's very true. But no matter what, she is still a child. I pray that this is not true.
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David Daniel @CNNLADavid 4m
Next two tweets are a statement from Katherine Jackson's lawyer, Perry Sanders:
David Daniel @CNNLADavid 4m
"Being a sensitive 15 year old is difficult no matter who you are. It is especially difficult when you lose the person closest to you."
David Daniel @CNNLADavid 4m
"Paris is physically fine and is getting appropriate medical attention. Please respect her privacy and the family's privacy."
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I so hope this is not true. :(
If it is..i dont know what to believe anymore.
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My hope is that maybe there was just a routine medical issue that needed attention and that "sources" and tabloids just sensationalized it for their own gain. The last thing that she needs...on top of all that she's already juggling...is for the stigma to be attached that she's imbalanced and suicidal.
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It's almost 12:00 noon here in LA and no tweets yet either from Anthony McCartney or ABC7 Court News re: the trial. Maybe there is a connection.....
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I sincerely hope she's okay. My daughter tried 3 times, once by cutting wrists and twice by overdose on pills. Now at almost 22, she says she just doesn't know what she was thinking, just really confused about life, angry, and maybe hormonal as well. This was also around the age of 15, and was hell for us as parents because she really pushed us away all the time, and so we couldn't communicate. Things are totally fine now.
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It's almost 12:00 noon here in LA and no tweets yet either from Anthony McCartney or ABC7 Court News re: the trial. Maybe there is a connection.....
Hmm...very true...but then there's the self-appointed Queen Taaj just running her fingers numb like it's any other day. I prefer the others since they refrain from stroking their own ego and interjecting personal snide remarks.
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I don't know about the reports that Debbie has confirmed what has happened. Debbie seems to be a very private person, and she has always stood up for Michael, and always wanted to keep things private. Why would she talk to the media, no matter which one it is, and confirm something this serious and this difficult.
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TMZ Just Released The 911 Dispatcher ..
http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_audio/LACoFire_June_5_0128am.mp3
UPDATE !!
12:44 PM PT -- Jackson brothers Jackie, Marlon and Tito just sent this statement to TMZ: "Thank you for the outpouring of concern and support for Paris. She is safe and doing fine. We truly appreciate you respecting our family privacy at this time."
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I'm with bec and RK. I can't believe that Paris would do this, not that I know her but it just doesn't ring true at all.
Ditto. Generally speaking, Paris has always appeared to be a very positive person.
Someone mentioned a possible ploy. Suppose the suicide attempt is staged. Suppose the intended purpose is to persuade “whomever” within the AEG trial to show their true hand. In other words, if “whomever” still has doubts that MJ is truly dead but sees/believes Paris tried to commit suicide, a natural conclusion for the “whomevers” to draw would be that MJ must truly be dead, because if he weren’t, Paris would never attempt suicide.
Just thinking outside the box.
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I can't believe that Paris wouldn't want to be here to see her Mom's brand new foal grow up. Wouldn't that be a 15 year olds dream come true? Nope...not buying it. Too much to live for and enjoy doing it.
Katie here! :)
Well, this is all just too confusing... :omg:
If it is real [which I don't believe] - then I am sad to hear that and pray to God to enlighten her mind and heart. Teenage years are indeed difficult...
But on the other hand...
twitter Front has written a poem last night>
that girl playing those strings
that bliss when she sings
interrupted by a chord gone wrong
but nothing can change this beautiful song
- now we might think it has nothing 2 do with Paris's situation [and maybe it doesn't... :icon_e_confused:], but when Front posted it, somehow my 1st thought went to Paris - she loves playing [or still learning to] play the guitar. Still, the poem seems metaphorical, and we may presume that the "chord gone wrong" has just happened today, interrupting Paris's normal daily life, but all in all, nothing can change this beautiful song, this beautiful adventure that we're in, and that she's in, too...It may be nothing, but it is just my interpretation of the poem. After reading this poem last night, I swear I was expecting something related to Paris today. I admit - a suicide attempt was NOT what I had in mind, not by far...but it seems that something did happen today, and is related to Paris, and that makes me believe more that it is not for real.
Moreover, I'm gonna have to go with MrBigShot on this one...
I know Paris is a teenager, and I don't want to begin to downplay this by any means, however, what could provoke paris to initiate such an act when I truly believe that she has a lot to look forward to in her life. She has been raised by a remarkable human being and comes from an relentlessly strong family. Her family has such profound convictions and they see life from a very optimistic perspective. What could have prompted any of the jackson, let alone paris, to even entertain the thought of possibly departing from this world?
this is only the beginning of the shocker...
I think this is the indicator that something even more complex is on the horizon.
Paris might be a lil' rebellious, but SHE HAS HAD AN AMAZING EDUCATION, GUYS! In the very few videos we were allowed to see on Michael's private life, which include moments spent with his children, one can CLEARLY see the kind of father that he was, how beautiful he raised them, how much he COMMUNICATED with them - which are essential aspects of a child's future development. I don't see nor find any logic in Paris's attempting 2 commit suicide, even with all the teenager-issues, self -discovering etc...We might call /label it "repressed memory/pain" - and find her father's sudden "death" as a the root-cause of what happened 2day, but we all know it's not the case. At least, i believe /hope it's not...
Our friend Jadz reminded me of this:
Remember Ellen DeGeneres show, back in 2011, if my memory serves me right... When Ellen asked her if there were any memorable things her father told her, Paris’s answer was the following:
"He said, 'If I die tomorrow, always remember what I told you.' I took his advice, and I remembered everything he told me," she said.
I choose to believe she took her dad's advice, which was surely not:"Dear Paris, whenever u'll feel sad, misunderstood, alone and mad @ everyone, consider committing suicide, ok?"...
Like I said, just my personal thoughts on the matter.
IF she DID DO that, then I'm sad and pray for her to find her inner peace, harmony and strength as soon as possible!
:bearhug:
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http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/06/05/0605-debbie-rowe-police-akm-3.jpg
Now police went to Rowe's Ranch , and they say Paris Left a Suicide Note , Cutted her right forearm and Took Motrin pills.
http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/05/paris-jackson-suicide-note-cut-meat-cleaver-5150/
and Received a "numerous stitches" ? and she will be held for 72 hours ... Now should we buy the story ? , I Still feel something is not right
and why when Paris really Started to have sometime with her mother she committed suicide right after , like she should cheer the little girl up
and Paris wasn't really happy in these few days (you can see from her tweets) i'm not judging debbie or the family of irresponsibility
but the timing of everything it's just weird... Those are my "Thoughts" about it
Praying for you Paris !! Get well soon.
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been concerned since almost the beginning that the jackson kids spiral out of control stories would start coming. not to forget that one thing sets them apart i would think , from all the others their age that get into these life situations ( or don't ) . one super colossal piece of intellectual property that probably quite a few would like to get their hands on.
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I knew nothing good will result from Paris' hanging out with Debbie.....
Please don't feel offended by what I'll write - I am just sharing my thoughts with you - within the box and outside the box.
Maybe Paris was in love with some boy and he let her down?
Maybe Debbie was trying to help her and she failed?
Or
maybe Debbie told Paris something wrong about her past - that she and Michael were not in love or something even worse?
Something tells me that Paris' suicide attempt is not a part of the hoax... but it's just me...
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I don't see any sign of scars in the first pic, the pic below might be photoshopped?? Sorry I changed the pic because the other couldn't be posted, in the other pic that I posted before was showing her left wrist and no scars appears on it.
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1362870.1370370784!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/paris-5-web.jpg)(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/06/05/0605-paris-jackson-twitter-scars-8.jpg)
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I hope i'm wrong:
Considering the fact that @frontback777 is in fact 'our' Front, he -sort of- confirms that something had happened.
Front Front @frontback777 4u
Papz always sniff it out. No privacy!!! She's going to be just fine. <3
Front Front @frontback777 1u
Want to you thank you all for your tweets of genuine love & support.
Front Front @frontback777 1u
Like I said she's going to be fine ,,,home soon.
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The last weeks I was following her followers reactions on twitter.
And I must say - given the fact that she's only 15 - some of those reactions, are heartbreaking.
Some of those reactions like "Go to hell, you father is a rapist" and more blabla.
I can believe something like that can get your world upside down.
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Like I said Í hope i'm wrong..
But anyhow, i'll pray for her!
I simply don't know what to think :(
First reaction: Then there is now hoax.
But since I'm so confinced with the fact that Michael is still amongst us. This has to be "part of the plan" or, just what I had written here.
Conclusion: I feel sad. Even when this IS "part of the plan".
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IF this is true, and has nothing to do with the hoax.
Then wouldn't MJ re-appear to be by his daughters side?
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That's terrible.Life is so precious, and full of amazing moments. If you are depressed and only notice all of the negative you'll never see the positive approaching especially for the future there is so much more to expect. This is like a flashback of middle/high school rolled into one. I was also depressed and suicidal and i wouldn't wish that pain on anyone it's extremely miserable and hard to overcome but eventually you do. This is why it is so disheartening when i hear about suicides and attempts because it's like the kids give up, some find the lights and others don't.I believe it's a survivors job to help those struggling along the way so they can LIVE and realize it's not worth it. I'm sorry this post is so long but this is a deep subject matter for me because I know. I pray that Paris gets the help needed and i pray for her family including her parents. It's not easy dealing with a situation like this. Sending love and prayers <3
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I pray from the bottom of my heart that this isnt true.....hopefully its all just BS like it normally is.
I love the Jackson family dearly,all of them,and its horrible to think she's suffering to this extreme,it saddens me deeply....
Paris and all of them have so much to live for,they are all gorgeous and beautifull,inside and out.
I pray for the whole family,i hope whatever the issues are that they get sorted.
Get well Paris,we all love you dearly....never doubt that,heres a big hug from me :bearhug:
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IF this is true, and has nothing to do with the hoax.
Then wouldn't MJ re-appear to be by his daughters side?
IMO, no. He doesn't need to publically support her. He can do that in private. And if this really happened. It'd be a media circus if MJ just came out of the blue. Him being alive would really shock the shit out of everyone. Now isn't the time for that. I hope this isn't true, but if it is, I don't think Paris needs a bigger spot light put on her. I'm sure he has always been there for his kids all along.
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The Paris Jackson Suicide Attempt Story Is Sad, and That's That
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2013/06/paris-jackson-suicide/65934/
This is it / That is that
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I hate to sound callous (however Ive become calloused since diving into the hoax) but I bet my bottom dollar MJ and Paris are kicking back laughing it up.
I'm not worried abt Paris one iota
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Today in
Michael Jackson History June 5th 2005
2005 - Michael Jackson was taken to an emergency room for treatment of a back problem.
http://www.on-this-day.com/cgi-bin/otd/mjacksonotd/mjacksonotd.pl
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I hope that 's Paris is ok...I love that little girl... :bearhug: all we have seen her grow... :bearhug:15 is a difficult age especially if you're the daughter of Michael Jackson....I do not know to believe what the media are saying.... :icon_rolleyes:
The only thing I want is that Paris is happy :bearhug:..has so much love around her....exceed all :bearhug: With L.O.V.E.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/06/05/paris-jackson-reportedly-hospitalized-after-possible-suicide-attempt/
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Alan Duke @AlanDukeCNN 1h
Paris Jackson called a suicide counseling hotline prompting the counselor to called 911 source tells me.
Alan Duke @AlanDukeCNN 2h
Source close to Jacksons tells me cut a wrist. Source characterized it as "a cry for help.
Alan Duke @AlanDukeCNN 2h
LA Fire spokesman info that it was a "possible drug overdose" is "inconsistent" with what happened with Paris Jackson, 2 sources say.
Alan Duke @AlanDukeCNN 3h
The report that Paris "threw a fit" over Marilyn Manson concert is "absolutely not true," a very good source tells me.
Alan Duke @AlanDukeCNN 3h
Jackson Family statement (1 more sentence) "Paris is physically fine and is getting appropriate medical attention."
https://twitter.com/AlanDukeCNN
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EntertainmentTonight @ETonlineAlert 57m
.@latoyajackson speaks out about Paris Jackson: "We are grateful and appreciate the overwhelming concern for Paris"
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I don't believe it.
I don't either.
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Possibly Paris has to deal with complicated yet typical teenage issues like any other girl at the same age has and I'm starting to believe that the media is reporting 'news' out of proportion. Things might have happened but we don't know for sure how seriously. What I do know, sadly enough, is that the attempted suicide rate for high school students has risen from 6.3% to 7.8% in the last three years , an increase mainly caused by bullying, which is a reason for concern and awareness and needs to be taken seriously.
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/1-12-teens-attempted-suicide-report-article-1.1092622#ixzz2VNwYzJsQ
http://psychcentral.com/lib/2010/cyberbullying-and-teen-suicide/all/1/
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I dont believe this happened at all.I also dont understand why Paris is throwing up the 666 sign in one of those photos either.So confused here.
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It's The Love symbol
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I have only just woken up this morning and saw this.....I am truly hoping this isn't true either......and if it is I sincerely hope Paris will be OK.
Katie - I saw that poem by Front on twitter as well and like you my thoughts also immediately went to Paris and wondered what might come....and then we have this news today.
But on the other hand...
twitter Front has written a poem last night>
that girl playing those strings
that bliss when she sings
interrupted by a chord gone wrong
but nothing can change this beautiful song
- now we might think it has nothing 2 do with Paris's situation [and maybe it doesn't... :icon_e_confused:], but when Front posted it, somehow my 1st thought went to Paris - she loves playing [or still learning to] play the guitar. Still, the poem seems metaphorical, and we may presume that the "chord gone wrong" has just happened today, interrupting Paris's normal daily life, but all in all, nothing can change this beautiful song, this beautiful adventure that we're in, and that she's in, too...It may be nothing, but it is just my interpretation of the poem. After reading this poem last night, I swear I was expecting something related to Paris today. I admit - a suicide attempt was NOT what I had in mind, not by far...but it seems that something did happen today, and is related to Paris, and that makes me believe more that it is not for real.
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:'( :over-react-smiley: :icon_pale:
Oh my gosh, I don't know anymore. I hope its not true Stay strong Paris!!!! You're in my prayers. Please don't do this to yourself..I heard she cut herself and overdosed..wow, I just saw the makeup video she posted she seemed fine...
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/paris-jackson-left-suicide-note-cut-arm-with-kitchen-knife-overdosed-on-motrin-201356
http://ca.ibtimes.com/articles/475242/20130605/paris-jackson-michael-daughter-reasons-suicide-attempt.htm
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On one hand this doesn't meld with how I think of Paris - to me she is a very confident, resilient, strong and together young woman....however I have only had Twitter and various YouTube vids plus "media" coverage of her for me to form this view.
Then on the other hand, from very personal experience, I know that some depressed and suicidal people can be very adept at hiding their feelings from those they most love and putting on a front so as not to hurt those closest to them or make them worry........
I am not there, so I can't say with 100% certainty this is or isn't true.
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I know we are a hoax forum... and we actively look for clues. Unfortunately, I'm sure this is not one... I'm sure this is not another story. I find it terribly hard to fathom Michael planting this story about Paris attempting suicide & being locked up in a psych ward. And if Michael is still here on this Earth, you know he would be right there with her. This has really shook my faith in the hoax...
There are too many teenagers who attempt suicide... and succeed. I know Paris has been put through so much & I do believe, it's possible,iattempted suicide. I've seen so many evil things people have said to her over twitter. Let's not forget that many kids have tried this due to bullying.
All we can really do at this point... is to let Paris know that she is loved and cared for by so many and she has a HUGE extended family that truly want to see her healthy and happy.
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I really hope this story about Paris isn't true but my gut says there's more to it than meets the eye. 15 is a tough age and I can relate with overdoses and cutting if it's true. I also had a mother who committed suicide when I was 10 years old. If Paris really did this to herself, I'd have to agree with others that it was more of a call for help.
I am wondering though, the meat cleaver part... I remember vaguely a story being posted about MJ writing a story about some kids and it was kind of disturbing or morbid. And it related to the movie Sling Blade. Anyway, I swear in MJ's story, a meat cleaver was involved. Does anyone know what I'm referring to?
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Sorry, I have a really bad memory... pretty sure MJ's story only talks of a sling blade/knife and not a meat cleaver. I just find it really odd that that's the blade she would choose to cut herself with.
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Regarding the hateful tweets from morons out there, why doesn't she protect her tweets?
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The truth,.. I don't know what to say of all this.
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911 call and photos of multiple scars on her wrists...
http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/05/paris-jackson-hospitalized-attempted-suicide-911-call/
PARIS JACKSON
POSSIBLE SUICIDE ATTEMPT
Rushed to Hospital
EXCLUSIVE
5:19 PM PT -- Howard Weitzman, the lawyer for the MJ Estate, tells TMZ, "Co-Executors John Branca and John McClain wish to extend their heartfelt thoughts and prayers to Paris Jackson during this very difficult time. The Executors are fully committed to providing Paris with whatever assistance she requires in dealing with this situation and will be there for her."
1:35 PM P -- We just posted a story ... Paris left a suicide note and cut herself with a meat cleaver. To read full story, click here.
1:30 PM PT Police went to Debbie Rowe's ranch to speak with her today ... presumably because she's been spending a lot of time with Paris, and knows her state of mind.
12:44 PM PT -- Jackson brothers Jackie, Marlon and Tito just sent this statement to TMZ: "Thank you for the outpouring of concern and support for Paris. She is safe and doing fine. We truly appreciate you respecting our family privacy at this time."
11:33 AM PT -- Katherine Jackson's attorney tells TMZ ... "Paris is physically fine and is getting appropriate medical attention."
The lawyer, Perry Sanders, adds, "Being a sensitive 15-year-old is difficult no matter who you are. It is especially difficult when you lose the person closest to you."
10:28 AM PT: TMZ has found several photos of Paris in which it appears Paris' arm has possible cutting scars. We don't know when the other was taken.
10:14 AM PST: A source connected to the family tells TMZ ... Paris "threw a fit" last night after she was told she couldn't go to a Marilyn Manson concert. We're told she ran into her room screaming and slammed the door.
10:14 AM PST: Debbie Rowe's lawyer, Eric George, tells TMZ: "We appreciate everyone's thoughts for Paris at this time and their respect for the family's privacy."
9:51 AM PST: A source closely connected to Paris tells TMZ ... she has "tried this [a possible suicide attempt] in the past" but "this was far more serious. It was not a cry for help."
Paris Jackson was rushed to the hospital early Wednesday morning, and sources tell us it was a suicide attempt.
Paris was taken out of her Calabasas family house on a stretcher at around 2 AM and taken by ambulance to a nearby hospital.
The 911 call came in at 1:27 AM. We're told the caller reported a possible overdose, although a source connected to the emergency response said there were multiple cuts on one of her wrists.
On Tuesday night ... Paris posted some cryptic tweets, including, "I wonder why tears are salty?" ... and "yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away now it looks as though they're here to stay."
We're told she's doing ok.
On May 19, Paris said, "Kurt Cobain is Jesus" during a video chat with someone ... and she posted the whole exchange on Vine.
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Sorry, couldn't get everything to copy and paste properly on that last TMZ story!
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The truth,.. I don't know what to say of all this.
My mind has been flip-flopping since I heard the news. Fake, possibly real, fake, and it continues. This is a pressing issue with teenagers and this news about Paris definitely raises the awareness of these tragedies to a higher level. My gut instinct still says that this suicide attempt didn't actually happen, that there's a bigger reason for this story. Fear and doubts have me questioning what my gut tells me.
It is a pretty big coincidence that this news came out 21 days (inclusive) to the 4 year mark.
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Then there is this tweet from Sept.
Paris Jacksoη @ParisJackson 11 Sep
suicide awareness day today.. hope you guys wore yellow <3 pic.twitter.com/STAReGxq
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I know we are a hoax forum... and we actively look for clues. Unfortunately, I'm sure this is not one... I'm sure this is not another story. I find it terribly hard to fathom Michael planting this story about Paris attempting suicide & being locked up in a psych ward. And if Michael is still here on this Earth, you know he would be right there with her. This has really shook my faith in the hoax...
There are too many teenagers who attempt suicide... and succeed. I know Paris has been put through so much & I do believe, it's possible,iattempted suicide. I've seen so many evil things people have said to her over twitter. Let's not forget that many kids have tried this due to bullying.
All we can really do at this point... is to let Paris know that she is loved and cared for by so many and she has a HUGE extended family that truly want to see her healthy and happy.
your post makes reasonable sense
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IF this is true, and has nothing to do with the hoax.
Then wouldn't MJ re-appear to be by his daughters side?
Who can say that Michael is not at his daughter's side? He doesn't have to make a reappearance in the public venue to be at her side. Wasn't a statement made by Front a while back that Michael had been among us but we didn't know it?
Yes, Paris appears to be a strong young lady who is carrying a lot on her shoulders. She has been a major part of this hoax from the memorial up until this very day. And all said, she is still a human being, and stress happens! Just because we are in the midst of a hoax does not negate the fact that unexpected things can happen!
I hope deep in my heart that this is a part of the hoax. And if it is not, I can totally understand and share her feelings because I have been there before. I understand that we all have had our weak moments, and some of us have had many! At the age of 29 I contemplated suicide with a loaded 32 at hand! It was only where I was in the Lord, and the thought of where my soul would spend eternity that kept me from pulling the trigger!
Only time will tell if it is not part of the hoax. And I am not surprised at all the different reasons they are giving as to why she did it. Because news reports are just like rumors. By the time they make the circuit the story has had much added to it!
I will continue to do my job of keeping Ms. Paris and the Jackson family lifted in prayer, and I ask the prayer warriors on this site to do the same.
To you Ms. Paris I'm sending much love and blessings your way. And I encourage you to keep riding high up "on the wings of love!"
Aldas, Beannu, Benedizione, Benediction, Bendicion, Bencao, Valsignelse, Zegen, Segen, Palaima, Blessings, my friends!
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Fake fake fake all fake. It's all fake. Every little bit of "news" we get is fake. All of it.
Ever notice no one really gives a crap about the trial that's going on? The real news stories are going on outside the courtroom. Wade's accusations, now Paris tries to kill herself (come on); the clowns are outside of court this time. That's why it's not televised. Because that's not the show. THIS is. The staged and the spin offs and the accidental perfect coincidences, all part of this massive entertainment project MJ launched in 2009.
There's always something going on with the Jackson family, isn't there? Periodically, in the news, over something or other, drip drip drip.
And this emotional turmoil the community is going through is part of the experience for the audience. All of it. The drama, the concern, the worry, the outrage, the hand wringing, the humor too... and our interaction; the comradery, the arguments, the whole online community thing, deaders n hoaxers oh my.
If Paris really had a problem no one would hear about it. What we are shown is an alternative Jackson family reality; the Hollywood version. The staged version.
That's what I think.
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Sorry, I have a really bad memory... pretty sure MJ's story only talks of a sling blade/knife and not a meat cleaver. I just find it really odd that that's the blade she would choose to cut herself with.
This is the topic were that story was discussed.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23295.25.html
May I just add firstly about the co-incidence regarding the date of this event. Michael was rushed to hopsital on this day in 2005 due to a back injury during his trial.....the word BACK. Exactly 4 years form that day we have Paris rushed to hospital during the AEG trial.....
Maybe its nothing but it just seems like HIStory repeating itself....
Is Paris doing this as a way to bring attention to the Jacksons trial??? Just like AEG did by getting Wade to say he was molested by Michael???
Remember......Michael lives for contraversy!!!
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I like the way you think bec. I hope that this is all as you've described.
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May I just add firstly about the co-incidence regarding the date of this event. Michael was rushed to hopsital on this day in 2005 due to a back injury during his trial.....the word BACK. Exactly 4 years form that day we have Paris rushed to hospital during the AEG trial.....
The articles I could find list the date of that event as March 20th, 2005.
http://billingsgazette.com/news/national/michael-jackson-arrives-late-to-court-again/article_0dad75bd-dea0-58e5-b8e3-fbb577bbb107.html
Which is too bad too because that would have been a great 'coincidence'.
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I seriously doubt that MJ would allow his daughter to stage a suicide as part of a hoax. Too many teens are vulnerable to do that kind of thing and may even be triggered by Paris attempting it. I think she is under severe pressure due to having to testify....maybe it's bringing up memories and she's overwhelmed. I don't think she would do this if Michael was able to be with her.......so, yeah..it has my head reeling a bit.
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This one says June 2005. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/5656041/Michael-Jackson-a-career-plagued-by-illness.html
May I just add firstly about the co-incidence regarding the date of this event. Michael was rushed to hopsital on this day in 2005 due to a back injury during his trial.....the word BACK. Exactly 4 years form that day we have Paris rushed to hospital during the AEG trial.....
Maybe its nothing but it just seems like HIStory repeating itself....
Is Paris doing this as a way to bring attention to the Jacksons trial??? Just like AEG did by getting Wade to say he was molested by Michael???
Remember......Michael lives for contraversy!!!
That's what I was thinking too. Each side supposedly has their attempt to sway emotions of the public and jury.
Girl_, yes hasn't it been amazing how Front's tweets have matched up with setting up for this scenario.
Bec, agree in that it seems similar to the Jackson family feud in the summer 2012. Keeps their name in the news!
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@MJonmind, it says after acquittal:
June 2005: After being acquitted in the child molestation trial, Jackson sought medical attention for a back injury and dehydration.
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i can only say that i don't want to believe it. And then my thoughts wandered from Paris' suicide attempt to sucide to DWD patients and everything.
is it possible that this drama is hinting towards something?
BTW TMZ broke the story.
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Both are fake stories? lol
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There are so many aspects of this situation that I'm finding incredibly disturbing, on so many levels. I can't begin to put them into words.
Teenage suicide is not entertainment.
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There are so many aspects of this situation that I'm finding incredibly disturbing, on so many levels. I can't begin to put them into words.
Teenage suicide is not entertainment.
I am with you on this.
I am reading so many possible explanations about this from hoaxers...from entertainment to awareness-raising through to red herring.
For me all of this would be morally questionable.
Attempted suicide is too dangerous and too serious to be used as a hoax "feature".
Just think about the consequences...for kids that see Paris as a role model, for herself in her social life etc....wrong on so many levels.
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I don't like this, at all.
Somehow I feel we shouldn't even try to make hoax-connections to this.
Even the thought someone young trying to her/his life (even for a cry for help) is too over the edge to be connected to the hoax.
I realize and here is som religious connections and it could be only test our believing etc. But no. This is just too much. We all know what a good hearted huminitarian Michael is, he wouldn't play things like his childs happiness and will to live. He kept always his childs under protection.
If there weren't a hoax, this would be the same month Paris lost her dad. I don't know. I lost mine at the same age but never even thought about suicide allthough I was also unhappy and under a lot of pressure.
Whatever is going on, I'm hoping all the best and happines to Paris and her brothers.
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Exactly! And I can't believe something like that is just "part of the hoax".
I hope it is. And if it is, I don't like it.
But hey, that's just me.
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The only thing disturbs me is how many beLIEvers are losing faith. If Michael would allow his children to lie about death, why not lie about suicide? As far as I'm concern, Paris has pulled many questionable/disturbing stunts in the past; mainly toying with the Illuminati and forgiving Michael's worst enemies.
No worries here.
Dave Dave anyone? :LolLolLolLol: :michael_jackson-1135:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En5Q4syywcw
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Ok, after watching her make-up tutorial on youtube I can say that she is a very goooooood actresssss........
Bravo Paris, you really convinced me that you are a disturbed teen. Paris kept saying: I'm weird. She even said that she likes dark lipstick because her soul is dark. Would anyone in hoaxland believe that Paris Jackson has a dark soul and that she is weird? The answer is:"NO".
I was really astonished by her great acting talent! She is really good!! Of course many people would disagree with me and believe that she is really disturbed. But for your information: weird people don't say they are weird. They just act weird and think they are normal .It's psychological....
Anyway, that video has been uploaded to serve the purpose. How many people around the globe are convinced now that Michael Jackson's daughter is a freak and needs to go to rehab??
But I'm just wondering why MJ is putting her through all this? Her reputation has been totally ruined now. How could she ever fix that? She is only 15. She is still a child! Why.... oh ..... why??
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I don't like this, at all.
Neither do I, but it IS what it is. Sometimes you've got to go to the extremes to make a point.
It will all make sense in the End.
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Ok, after watching her make-up tutorial on youtube I can say that she is a very goooooood actresssss........
Bravo Paris, you really convinced me that you are a disturbed teen. Paris kept saying: I'm weird. She even said that she likes dark lipstick because her soul is dark. Would anyone in hoaxland believe that Paris Jackson has a dark soul and that she is weird? The answer is:"NO".
I was really astonished by her great acting talent! She is really good!! Of course many people would disagree with me and believe that she is really disturbed. But for your information: weird people don't say they are weird. They just act weird and think they are normal .It's psychological....
Anyway, that video has been uploaded to serve the purpose. How many people around the globe are convinced now that Michael Jackson's daughter is a freak and needs to go to rehab??
But I'm just wondering why MJ is putting her through all this? Her reputation has been totally ruined now. How could she ever fix that? She is only 15. She is still a child! Why.... oh ..... why??
I've known some weird kids/people, and Paris is definitely not weird, but an adorable teen, even if she wasn't MJ's daughter.
MJ's alive and doing a hoax. What part this incident plays we simply can't know yet, but it will serve a good purpose, I'm sure.
There's millions of people that try to change the world through wonderful ministries of compassion, but MJ is trying to do it in a unique long-term way.
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Last night i was shocked when i read about Paris. I rearly hope that it isn't true !!!!! She such a beautyfull young girl with such amazing smile....big hugs to you dear Paris and get well soon !
Does someone here know the german TV Show " Wetten dass "? Untill tuesday Paris was supposed to be at the special summer show " Wetten dass " in Mallorca next Saturday, the 8 th June.
Some wonder why she was invited, because the there are normaly actors, singer or other artists who promoted a new film, song or tour.
Tuesday changed the plans. Paris was not longer on the list of guests....now Prince was supposed to come. Official they say Paris has a problem with school and can't come to Spain / Mallorca.....one day before this suicide attempt......i rearly hope this all isn't true !
I don't believe that Prince will come now .
Get well soon Paris ! :bearhug:
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Both are fake stories? lol
:icon_lol: yes bec, both stories are indeed fake. DWD doesn't really fit in this hoax.
I was unsure about Paris' suicide attempt being fake sometime ago, but now I'm pretty sure it is. Given this present scenario, I can understand there might be some underlying pressure, i mean why not, we all have ours...but she's being guided by her father. That answers everything. I too have never seen Paris being a suicidal person.
@Tove, If Michael is behind this, we can all chill now because there must be some very substantial reasoning behind it which we can't think of at this present moment. And if it is tabloid trash, then it is what it is. trash.
Paris has the good will of millions of people across the world, nothing will happen to her.
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I'm not sure if this is already been posted....
http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2013/06/06/paris-jackson-cops-think-she-didnt-want-to-die
PARIS JACKSON
COPS SAY SHE DIDN'T WANT TO DIE
Cops officially classified the Paris Jackson incident as a "suicide attempt," but they do NOT believe her intent was to kill herself.
Law enforcement sources familiar with the situation tell TMZ ... based on the information the L.A. County Sheriff's Dept. has gathered ... "She wanted attention." One source involved in the case tells us ... her call to a suicide hotline is compelling evidence "she wanted to be saved." The source added, "It makes no sense if you really want to die to call a hotline, where the person on the other end will get an ambulance over to your house."
TMZ broke the story ... Paris used a meat cleaver to cut her arm and took a bunch of Motrin, and our sources say as a result they must classify it as a "suicide attempt." But, as one source put it, "Who takes Motrin to kill themselves? She called the suicide hotline because she wanted the attention and wanted to make sure EMTs got there in time."
We're also told Paris was conscious when EMTs arrived and did not argue or put up a struggle when she was placed on a stretcher.
One source connected with the case tells us, "She's into the drama."
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There are so many aspects of this situation that I'm finding incredibly disturbing, on so many levels. I can't begin to put them into words.
Teenage suicide is not entertainment.
I am with you on this.
I am reading so many possible explanations about this from hoaxers...from entertainment to awareness-raising through to red herring.
For me all of this would be morally questionable.
Attempted suicide is too dangerous and too serious to be used as a hoax "feature".
Just think about the consequences...for kids that see Paris as a role model, for herself in her social life etc....wrong on so many levels.
Thank you both for these words of reason.
I caught this story here last night in the UK and I am going to be very honest, I was totally shocked at how some people wrote that this story was fake and part of the hoax and continued to do so in the light of factual statements from Family, the Trust and other reputable news sources, unlike those of TMZ. In fact it shook me to the core so much so that I couldn't sleep.
WHY ON EARTH WOULD MICHAELS PRECIOUS DAUGHTERS REPUTATION BE TARNISHED BY THE ACT OF HER TRYING TO COMMIT SUICIDE
I apologise for what I am about to say, but for those of you here that think it's part of the hoax... SHAME ON YOU, YOU HAVE SHOWN YOUR TRUE COLOURS.
This is serious stuff and a subject not to be taken lightly and for me, certainly no surprise that this has come to light. I wouldn't trade places with Paris for all the money in the world right now, so have some compassion people, life happens and it is very rare that Jackson news, tweets, appearances etc. are part of the HOAX. If you think they are you are more than obsessed and need to take a break.
There, I have said it.... Please, Please give this young lady the passion and good wishes she so rightly deserves and take a step back and think about what you are typing. If this was written about your loved ones how would it make you feel?
That's all I have to say and I'm standing down from my soap box now. Sorry, but I could not keep quiet on this one.
Never forget your compassion for one another, something Michael has never forgotten, even after everything he's been through.
With LOVE.
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I have to :th_bravo: for your comment.
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I seriously doubt that MJ would allow his daughter to stage a suicide as part of a hoax. Too many teens are vulnerable to do that kind of thing and may even be triggered by Paris attempting it. I think she is under severe pressure due to having to testify....maybe it's bringing up memories and she's overwhelmed. I don't think she would do this if Michael was able to be with her.......so, yeah..it has my head reeling a bit.
For those who think the suicide attempt was not part of the hoax, how is fake suicide attempt any different morally from faking ones death (pseudocide) by drug induced heart attack?
Although suicide especially teen suicide is no light matter and something I have been touched by personally, I honestly believe that this situation with Paris is a stunt. I am so sure of it. And we don't always understand the reasons straight away, but I am sure in time we will. Those here who are saying that this is fake, aren't also saying its just for mere entertainment purposes. It could be a parallel. Wasn't MJ thought of to be at risk of suicide in 05? (I believe a false story) My point is the reason behind why this latest charade runs deeper than entertainment.
I 100% believe that there is a reason behind this obviously staged suicide attempt. Don't know what it is. I'm sure with time we will all put our heads together and work out why... I'm also sure that after her 'recovery' shell be back on twitter and her post 'suicidal' behaviour will show signs it was fake. I can just imagine the ridiculous amount of resilience she will probably show after supposedly cutting herself and wanting to die. Hmmm rings a bell, just like she showed a ridiculous amount of resilience after seeing her dad die. Got up on stage like that and spoke to the world. Then got on twitter and let the world into 'play' with her and watch her grow. Deliberately open herself up for criticism. All part of the plan. The same reason she reinvented herself as emo rock chick in the months in the lead up to suicide attempt...
Come on! It stinks. It's all staged. The whole lot one big act IMO. I am not as much concerned with paris' mental health as I am about getting to find out why this is happening... (I say this because I believe Paris to be fine)
Sometimes I think it's as if MJ is challenging the worlds stupidity and seeing how much garb they'll actually gobble up. You know those ppl in life that claim that everything happens to them. Those pathological liars. It's as if he's is poking fun at the world, by seeing how much they can believe could happen to one person one family by telling lies on a pathalogical scale about himself to prove a point of how stupid and lead the masses are.
I wonder how many lies its possible to get the world to believe about us before I unveil the act to slap them i their face with their stark undeniable gullibility and force them question everything they thought they knew... Not just abt MJ and fam, but about every news story we hear. War. Politics. Natural distasters. Commerce. Etc etc
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PARIS JACKSON
COPS SAY SHE DIDN'T WANT TO DIE
EXCLUSIVE
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/06/05/0605-paris-jackson-article-5.jpg)
Cops officially classified the Paris Jackson incident as a "suicide attempt," but they do NOT believe her intent was to kill herself.
Law enforcement sources familiar with the situation tell TMZ ... based on the information the L.A. County Sheriff's Dept. has gathered ... "She wanted attention." One source involved in the case tells us ... her call to a suicide hotline is compelling evidence "she wanted to be saved." The source added, "It makes no sense if you really want to die to call a hotline, where the person on the other end will get an ambulance over to your house."
TMZ broke the story ... Paris used a meat cleaver to cut her arm and took a bunch of Motrin, and our sources say as a result they must classify it as a "suicide attempt." But, as one source put it, "Who takes Motrin to kill themselves? She called the suicide hotline because she wanted the attention and wanted to make sure EMTs got there in time."
We're also told Paris was conscious when EMTs arrived and did not argue or put up a struggle when she was placed on a stretcher.
One source connected with the case tells us, "She's into the drama."
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/06/paris-jackson-cops-think-she-didnt-want-to-die/#ixzz2VQeUXU00
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There are so many aspects of this situation that I'm finding incredibly disturbing, on so many levels. I can't begin to put them into words.
Teenage suicide is not entertainment.
I am with you on this.
I am reading so many possible explanations about this from hoaxers...from entertainment to awareness-raising through to red herring.
For me all of this would be morally questionable.
Attempted suicide is too dangerous and too serious to be used as a hoax "feature".
Just think about the consequences...for kids that see Paris as a role model, for herself in her social life etc....wrong on so many levels.
Curls, no one is saying it is for mere entertainment purposes.
Mary, speaking of role models, wasn't MJ a role model? The same man who deliberately presented himself as a mentally weak, abused, man handled, wreckless drug addict. How can that line of reasoning be used.
I get what you are saying about teens being impressionable and looking up to Paris. But this isn't the first time a role model has been presented as a 'mess' - Michael has done this many occasions. MJ was a role model to many children and teens and yet chose to deliberately present himself with 'weak' traits for hoax purposes.
The ugly (such as this suicide attempt) HAS already been shown to have been done before for hoax purposes.
WHY ON EARTH WOULD MICHAELS PRECIOUS DAUGHTERS REPUTATION BE TARNISHED BY THE ACT OF HER TRYING TO COMMIT SUICIDE
I apologise for what I am about to say, but for those of you here that think it's part of the hoax... SHAME ON YOU, YOU HAVE SHOWN YOUR TRUE COLOURS.
This is serious stuff and a subject not to be taken lightly and for me, certainly no surprise that this has come to light. I wouldn't trade places with Paris for all the money in the world right now, so have some compassion people, life happens and it is very rare that Jackson news, tweets, appearances etc. are part of the HOAX. If you think they are you are more than obsessed and need to take a break.
MJloyalfan, you should lighten up on your judgements of people. NO one is saying that the suicide stunt is for entertainment purposes and hoax referencing doesn't always equate to entertainment. As far as I am aware many here who believe the hoax is for entertainment ALSO believe there are additional and far more serious reasons behind hoax than just entertainment. Many here believe the hoax is purposed to unveil the truth about news what we read and hear. Who knows this suicide story could have a more moral reason behind it than entertainment. Read my previous post above about possible reasons.
Be careful, for perhaps it is those who believe this story WHO HAVE SHOWN THEIR TRUE COLOURS, as you put it...
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Meanwhile, though I don't believe that the hoax is only about entertainment purposes, (I like the vindication & awakening to media theories meshed in with the entertainment theory) I'd like to point out that there are over 100 movies listed on the proceeding link that feature suicide for entertainment purposes....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_about_suicide
If this hoax is a reverse reality movie, then doesn't that make Paris suicide story plausible as part of the script...
She herself said she is an actress after all.
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There are so many aspects of this situation that I'm finding incredibly disturbing, on so many levels. I can't begin to put them into words.
Teenage suicide is not entertainment.
I am with you on this.
I am reading so many possible explanations about this from hoaxers...from entertainment to awareness-raising through to red herring.
For me all of this would be morally questionable.
Attempted suicide is too dangerous and too serious to be used as a hoax "feature".
Just think about the consequences...for kids that see Paris as a role model, for herself in her social life etc....wrong on so many levels.
Thank you both for these words of reason.
I caught this story here last night in the UK and I am going to be very honest, I was totally shocked at how some people wrote that this story was fake and part of the hoax and continued to do so in the light of factual statements from Family, the Trust and other reputable news sources, unlike those of TMZ. In fact it shook me to the core so much so that I couldn't sleep.
WHY ON EARTH WOULD MICHAELS PRECIOUS DAUGHTERS REPUTATION BE TARNISHED BY THE ACT OF HER TRYING TO COMMIT SUICIDE
I apologise for what I am about to say, but for those of you here that think it's part of the hoax... SHAME ON YOU, YOU HAVE SHOWN YOUR TRUE COLOURS.
This is serious stuff and a subject not to be taken lightly and for me, certainly no surprise that this has come to light. I wouldn't trade places with Paris for all the money in the world right now, so have some compassion people, life happens and it is very rare that Jackson news, tweets, appearances etc. are part of the HOAX. If you think they are you are more than obsessed and need to take a break.
There, I have said it.... Please, Please give this young lady the passion and good wishes she so rightly deserves and take a step back and think about what you are typing. If this was written about your loved ones how would it make you feel?
That's all I have to say and I'm standing down from my soap box now. Sorry, but I could not keep quiet on this one.
Never forget your compassion for one another, something Michael has never forgotten, even after everything he's been through.
With LOVE.
Excellently written, welldone you :th_bravo:
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MJ's alive and doing a hoax. What part this incident plays we simply can't know yet, but it will serve a good purpose, I'm sure.
There's millions of people that try to change the world through wonderful ministries of compassion, but MJ is trying to do it in a unique long-term way.[b/]
Oops, forgot to say, well said! Love you!
Also to you to bec! Well written and agree 100% with your comments. Even if it seems the cold and unpopular way of looking at the recent stories about Paris. :icon_e_wink:
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As several have pointed out, teenage suicide is a serious issue and not one to be insensitive about or taken lightly. That said, the media, knowingly or unknowingly, fabricate and perpetuate the details of stories about serious issues all the time—for example, all the MJ trials including the latest regarding Wade Robson. In short, for all we know, Paris could have taken one or two Motrin (or no Motrin), and TMZ fabricated the rest, and the media as a whole ran with it.
A few on this thread have said or suggested that Paris’ supposed suicide attempt has caused them to doubt the death hoax—maybe that’s the point. And maybe the question is who the real target is. Of course, like everyone else, IDK. Just trying to make sense of things.
(Addendum: To be clear, I am one who doesn’t believe that Paris attempted or even intended to attempt suicide. Think it’s a fake story that's not for entertainment purposes only.)
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Sorry, I can´t....
Frankly and honestly, seeing all the attempts to explain this as part of the hoax makes me sick to my stomach.
This is against all the moral values that I have.
And I am not ashamed to say that.
If it turns out to be different from what I think...well, so be it.
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I think that part of good investigation is to be critical and avoid circular argument's.
I just personally think that MJ's kids are so sacred to him that he would't use Paris to hoax like this. MJ hoaxing his death is totally different thing, we all understand why he wanted to get away of it all, and he left so many clues etc This is a different story and we should be very diplomatic converserving about this. Imagine that hoax never happened and Mike was alive: how would we react to the news then?
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Right now I feel ashamed for being within and associating the Hoax community that I have decided to disassociate as much as possible. .
I don't understand the extreme carelessness people are being here, Not one person knows this is actually a fake story, NO ONE here has any means to prove with substantial real evidence and yet I see many speaking about it like it's NOTHING. I’m glad everything in real life is entertainment for you lot who are without a doubt that it’s for entertainment or some other “meaningful” reason within the hoax.
For shame.
Are you so paranoid of being looked at as a fool for believing any "bad news" story of the Jacksons that you are prepared to trivialize every circumstance as a fake for the hoax? Why not go further and claim everything to do with Michael Jackson his entire life was a hoax, because there has been "bad news" both before June 2009 and after, the difference is, every single thing is being placed into this “bubble” of being a hoax. Are you so self centred to believe that the lives of the Jacksons is meant for YOUR entertainment considering majority of the population believe his dead, and many others do not visit this forum. Are you so self absorbed that to think its all based on the select few frequent people here?
I think you all who believe this is nothing, need a reality check and gain some respect for the Jackson family, they aren’t immune to life and it’s struggles, they don’t have their emotions all wrapped up safe and sound.
Have you thought about any of this public statements you are making on this forum? If Paris and I believe she did, attempt suicide and reads this thread, what do you think that young girl is going to think? Are you truly that selfish to not care and just keep believing it’s fake to serve your own purpose of keeping your beliefs going that his alive.
First of all, it doesn’t have to mean Michael Jackson is dead. It just means like many normal teenagers in this world, Paris is not coping so well with things and even the most loving parents can’t help and often do not see the signs. She could have a chemical balancing problem and that doesn’t mean Michael Jackson isn’t a loving father, or dead, or not helping her. It just means she has a condition that many teens and adults have.
Regardless to anything, I don’t care if this turns out to be in the hoax, I will not feel like a fool or feel shame for believing it because this is a very very serious thing, I will feel that my morals were still intact to take it serious enough to care about her well being.
I feel that a lot of people don’t want the fabric of the “hoax” to vanish, and if they believe for a moment this is real, then the hoax is over and will have to come to terms with Michael Jackson being dead. But like i said. Believing this is real, doesn’t make Michael Jackson dead, it just makes Paris a teenager with some problems that may not have anything to do with any situations going on at the moment.
it pains me to read these comments where you blow it off as nothing and yet you have absolutely no evidence to show that and yet will still blow it off. How is that REALLY caring about Paris? That doesn’t look like care at all, and maybe, just maybe you should think about another perspective. Is this a test to see who actually cares about his children? You all want to talk others and yourselves into reasons why it would be a hoax, from awareness of suicide to evening the score on the law suit i,e Wade but not one of you have wondered if this is a test to the hoaxers and the see if they really do care. After all you have taken zero seriously this whole time. Like i said before I believe this is all true, very real and My heart breaks for Paris and I send her lot’s of love. If this turns out to be apart of the hoax, well at least I know that no matter what, I take a matter of suicide seriously and do not blow it off.
Seriously, Think about your actions, think about what message you are each sending out there into the public eye to Paris and to other kids and adults who are thinking of suicide. This is a serious. Not fun and games or entertainment by any stretch of any imagination and if you think it’s entertainment then you truly need to look in the mirror and re-evaluate who you are and what colour your soul is.
This is definitely not a time for Pride regardless to how this turns out.
Sick of everything being a joke you most of you, You seem to pull out any, ANY way possible to explain away things and yet you call yourselves investigators. I see no investigations going on, just a lot of assumptions. This time, I won’t be coming back. I have washed my hands with this and how people take and handle the seriousness of the things that come up. Maybe too much time down the rabbit hole has addled the mind. I don’t know but there is a time for fun and there is a time for seriousness and this is one of those times.
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i just got internet back to find such news....
First i'd like to say that i cannot consider this to be 100% hoax related. Paris is a teen and she has her own life, she must be respected as a unique person, and not as "MJ's tool" for hoax purpose. So there is no way i would only consider her act as a hoax related event...
From her twitter, i saw she seemed to have "broken heart" maybe there is a love story behind this, more than a "concert"... maybe the family only knew abot the concert. Was she supposed to meet a boy there maybe ?
15 yo girls can be educated to the top... we all know we go through a lot of stupid things when we are in love.
That's the feeling i had since few weeks when reading her tweets.
The problem is that many people alway link her to her dad and to the loss of her dad, and to what her dad would have wanted for her... but she has a life, and she may act upon things we don't even think about. Paris Jackson is not Michael Jackson, although we would love that Mj talk to us through his daughter.
We must keep in mind they are different people and that even MJ may not have notice something was wrong. Even the best parents can miss something about their children.
Now if i was to think about hoax :
I remember the post where someone said that MJ faked his trial to put the light on kids abuse, or on police brutality etc etc
Maybe Paris is faking for a purpose too. Like giving a message about kid's suicide.
the info i'm gonna give must be taken as "something i was told and i can't proove to be true"
Someone that some people think to be MJ or MJ related was on a chatroom and a teen was there. She was crying and demanding that this person admits he is MJ. The person said nothing. the girl was crying and she threatened to cut herself if no answer. Stilll silence. The teen cutted herself on cam, and the "supposed to be MJ" left without a word. I was told people from the room tried to find her identity to call rescue.
I don't know what to make of this story i was told weeks ago, but it came back to my mind. I won't say more about it, because i don't remember who told me and i don't wish to name the person who was concerned. Just i thought "maybe" there was something linked to it that would explane WHY Paris wanted to put the light on "kid"s suicide"
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I understand Teen Suicide is a scary subject. I get it. I do. I am sure that there are those who are 'sickened' about hoaxers theorising about the article and may find this thread hurtful when hoaxers discuss and pick apart the story. However this is a hoax forum, and just like a haters gonna hate, a hoaxers gonna hoax. But really is it any different? How does it cross moral boundaries differently than MJ fooling perhaps a billion people that he is dead?
JMO, but I don't get why the ethos, of 'always question everything' can apply to other stories and not to this one, just because it's a 'Moral Taboo' - when the whole hoax has the potential amongst society of being perceived as a Moral Taboo. It's really no different. Again, JMO. I understand that others are more upset for Paris. I guess there are people still upset that Michael is 'dead' too...
Moving on, the fact that TMZ broke the story, says it all imo. Are we forgetting who is feeding TMZ all this time? Why would it be different on this occasion? If this were a true story and not planted by MJ to TMZ, how were they so lucky YET AGAIN to get the scoop, insiders, sources??
Wow Leilani...
I don't understand the extreme carelessness people are being here, Not one person knows this is actually a fake story, NO ONE here has any means to prove with substantial real evidence and yet I see many speaking about it like it's NOTHING. I’m glad everything in real life is entertainment for you lot who are without a doubt that it’s for entertainment or some other “meaningful” reason within the hoax.
Wow don't get people being offended by a place THEY CHOOSE to come to and with people (you lot) who THEY CHOOSE to interact with!!
Are you so paranoid of being looked at as a fool for believing any "bad news" story of the Jacksons that you are prepared to trivialize every circumstance as a fake for the hoax? Why not go further and claim everything to do with Michael Jackson his entire life was a hoax, because there has been "bad news" both before June 2009 and after, the difference is, every single thing is being placed into this “bubble” of being a hoax. Are you so self centred to believe that the lives of the Jacksons is meant for YOUR entertainment considering majority of the population believe his dead, and many others do not visit this forum. Are you so self absorbed that to think its all based on the select few frequent people here?
I don't think anyone here said that this is all for us? This is a lesson for the world. This is beyond just entertainment. You should quit your judging. NO one here is judging believers of the suicide story for their opinion, why are believers that the story is false being crucified, judged and having multiple amounts of 'shame' dumped on them by fellow hoaxers??
Are you truly that selfish to not care and just keep believing it’s fake to serve your own purpose of keeping your beliefs going that his alive.
Wow, name calling. Selfish. Just by reading other peoples opinions... Funny how NO ONE here who believes the story is false has resorted to calling down shame or calling people selfish or idiots for believing the story to be true. Thought we were all allowed to have out theories and opinions. If different perspectives are so disturbing and sickening to people, then a forum that focuses of the sensitive topic of 'death' might be an unwise place to hang out...
It just means she has a condition that many teens and adults have.
Ah, so we are diagnosing the balance of her brain chemicals based on a story with no evidence. Sounds like what people did to MJ.
Regardless to anything, I don’t care if this turns out to be in the hoax, I will not feel like a fool or feel shame for believing it because this is a very very serious thing, I will feel that my morals were still intact to take it serious enough to care about her well being.
Ah yes, opposed to us morally bankrupt hoaxers... Come on Leilani. We too have morals. That's not fair. I DO not believe the story for a second, in fact I didn't to be frank (don't be angry now) I didn't bat an eyelid when I saw the story break on the news today! And yet I don't feel for a second that my morals have been compromised and are still very much intact.
Seriously, Think about your actions, think about what message you are each sending out there into the public eye to Paris and to other kids and adults who are thinking of suicide. This is a serious. Not fun and games or entertainment by any stretch of any imagination and if you think it’s entertainment then you truly need to look in the mirror and re-evaluate who you are and what colour your soul is.
Oh nice. How uneducated and unfortunate that you feel a few people here who are being open minded and are using their head instead of their heart should be blamed with 'sending a message' to youths that Suicide is a game. Please get off your horse. The insults are sickening!
Sick of everything being a joke you most of you, You seem to pull out any, ANY way possible to explain away things and yet you call yourselves investigators. I see no investigations going on, just a lot of assumptions. This time, I won’t be coming back. I have washed my hands with this and how people take and handle the seriousness of the things that come up. Maybe too much time down the rabbit hole has addled the mind. I don’t know but there is a time for fun and there is a time for seriousness and this is one of those times.
Leilani, you were offended from the minute you first signed up here. You shouldn't have come back if you keep getting offended.
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This is kinda reminding me when the hoax first started. All this strong disagreeing with each other reminds me of the non believers saying "Michael would never do this to his family". "I don't understand why he would do this". "He wouldn't do this to his fans", etc.
I HOPE this has some hoax connections. Because I don't want Paris to be suffering like this. But if there's is a hoax connection (and I hope there is). Maybe this is coming full circle. The "believers vs non believer". Back to when the hoax started.
And I was a non believer. I thought MJ was dead for atleast 4 months. Hopefully I'll come around to this Paris thing being hoax related.
But with that being said, I'm def going try and wait for more info to come out before jumping to conclusions.
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Don't shoot me, but is it possible the Paris has become a victim of MKultra mind control, by listening the heavy metal music???
Remember she released a short video on Twitter, saying Kurt Cobain is "Jesus"...just before her attempted cry for help...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwjdoKg3upY[/youtube]Nirvana & Over the Rainbow (Mind Control)
Kurt Donald Cobain (1967-1994), was the leader of the super popular rock band Nirvana. The word, Nirvana, literally means “blown out” (as in a candle) and refers, in the Buddhist context, to the imperturbable stillness of mind after the fires of desire, aversion, and delusion have been finally extinguished.[104]
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Nirvana is essentially a state of dissociation. It is a state of conscious often achieved in CIA- MK ULTRA trauma based mind control programs as a gateway to developing iatrogenic (psychiatric) multiple personality disorders (MPD).[105]
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This is the cover of a later-released compilation album of Nirvana’s hits, called ‘Over the Rainbow’. It has a Wizard of Oz title. The Wizard of OZ is a prominent theme used in CIA- MK ULTRA mind control programs.[106] Of course, the butterfly is also a prominent mind control image that suggests a relationship to MK ULTRA/MONARCH (children) programming.[107] Like Nirvana, “Over the Rainbow” also suggests a key state of dissociation associated with mind control programs.
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“Dorothy is looking for a place where there is no trouble which is a place “over the rainbow…. To escape pain, alters go over the rainbow. (This is a.k.a. in Alice In Wonderland Programming as “going through the looking glass.. Judy Garland, she was an MK slave and the first to sing the ”over the rainbow” song. Holding a mirror (looking glass) another example how the symbolism fits the research. Over the rainbow in Oz is for the Monarch slave to be in a trance, and into a certain area of the programming…The theme song of the movie goes, ‘Somewhere over the Rainbow…there’s a land where the dreams that you dare to dream really come true.’ These lyrics are a method to hypnotically confuse the brain to perceive that the “over the Rainbow experience” (which is usually horrible abuse) is a ‘dream’. The dissociative mind is only too happy to call the trauma a dream, which is lived as a reality for a moment, but is nevertheless recorded by the mind as a fantasy. The term for this is crypto amnesia, which means the process where the proper functioning of memory is hypnotically messed up. The slave’s internal world becomes ‘reality” and the external real world becomes the Land of Oz which is perceived as make-believe.’”[108]
Beyond the Looking Glass, doesn’t it appear that Katt Williams is desperately trying to escape over the rainbow looking for a place where there is no trouble.
(http://mindcontrolblackassassins.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/kattburroughs.gif?w=300&h=194)Kurt Cobain & Satanism
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“Get stoned and worship Satan.”—Kurt Cobain[109]
Kurt Cobain committed suicide on April 5, 1994. He was “obsessed with Anton LaVey” (Mojo Magazine, Sept. 1999, p. 86). Anton LaVey was the founder of the Church of Satan and the author of the Satanic Bible. So obsessed was Cobain with Satanist Anton LaVey that he sought to enlist LaVey by having him play cello on Nirvana’s “Nevermind,” album.[110]
Cobain’s love of the occult would eventually lead him into developing a relationship with another notorious military intelligence occultist-CIA Assassin William Burroughs.[111] Stephen Davis, the biographer of the Led Zeppelin saga “Hammer of the Gods”, compares Burroughs to Satanist Aleister Crowley, stating:“Like Crowley, Burroughs was an urbane and genial human Lucifer, a modern magus, a legendary addict, and an artist whose influence extended far beyond literature to music, painting and film” (Stephen Davis, Hammer of the Gods, Ballantine Books, New York, 1985, p. 237).
Kurt Cobain, Courtney Love & Voodoo Boys
The kicker is Cobain’s wife, Courtney Love. Courtney Love, above, also a MK ULTRA Sex Kitten in her black and white Spotted Cheetah animal zone.
Both Courtney and her daughter, Francis Bean Cobain, are Satanic. Courtney Love’s father is Hank Harrison, a clandestine MK ULTRA programmer and handler.
Hank Harrison and a teen-aged Courtney, her pant patterns appears to be NAZI LEBENSBORN ODAL RUNES.
Harrison was no hippy drug addict pothead burnout. He always looked clean. In fact he was a trained shrink. The first time I saw him he was wearing a Searsucker suit and a bow tie and was carrying an attaché case. I could venture a guess that Harrison was a CIA operative or a Saul Alinsky graduate in charge of organizing bands like the Grateful Dead. -David Crosby, Crosby, Stills & Nash[112]
During the 1950s, Hank Harrison and Dr. Jack Sarfatti,, right, at 13 years old, became part of a group of “Whiz Kids.”[113] Dr. Sarfatti had been studied at the Columbia University Laboratory of William H. Sheldon and Walter Breen. Hank Harrison had been studied and trained at UC Berkeley.[114]
According to Dr. Sarfatti, Harrison was secretly tied up with the intelligence community, most likely the military. It was kind of like the X-Men, the Voodoo Boys of the Occult Bureau.[115]
Walter Breen, a convicted pedophile,[116] and Dr. Sarfatti worked with Dr. Andrija Puharich developing “Space Kids” as covert operatives for the U.S. Government.[117] Breen was an elitist degenerate thatco-founded NAMBLA (Man-Boy Love) and had secretly coveted rare books of the Great BEAST 666, Aleister Crowley,such as Liber 777.[118]
“A friend of the devil is a friend of mine”–Jerry Garcia, Grateful Dead[119]
Hank Harrison had been the first manager and the clandestine U.S. Military Intelligence handler of the Grateful Dead (formerly Warlocks).[120]
“The truth is, these Warlocks’ legendary concerts have always been nothing more than MK Ultra-inspired rituals. No other band sets the stage so carefully; the lighting, the free LSD, the Robert Hunter lyrics. To what end? Well I’m sure they don’t call Grateful Dead fans “Dead heads” for no good reason.”[121]
Warlocks are, among historic Christian traditions, said to be the male equivalent of witches. Likewise, in traditional Scottish witchcraft warlock was and is simply the term used for a WIZARD (OZ), or male witch.[122]
The Grateful Dead Logo is a a Skull with a Nazi-White Power and SS Symbol, a Lighting Strike. If you not one of them (LUCIFERIAN NWO), then you should be “Grateful” to be “DEAD.”
“Joe Baltake of the Sacramento Bee referred to The Wizard of Oz as “the definitive [Dead] head film” for the counterculture in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Hippies interpreted Dorothy’s adventure as an acid trip and would get high while watching the movie. [1]Late in his life, counterculture icon Ken Kesey wrote a satirical performance art piece called “Twister” based on The Wizard of Oz.”[123]
At least one online source link Kurt Cobain with the CIA Finders.[124]
Lyrics to the Nirvana song ‘In Bloom’, from the album ‘Nevermind’:
Sell the kids for food
Weather changes moods
Spring is here again
Reproductive glands…
We can have some more
Nature is a whore
Bruises on the fruit
Tender age in bloom
‘we can have some more’, imo, means,
“we are selling our kids, but we can have some more” (ie: “there’s more where those came from, so don’t worry about it, let them go”)
“bruises on the fruit”: means the parents consider their own kids to be just damaged produce, to be sold into the market (the Finders).[125]
Many young people became “Dead Heads” after Jerry Garcia’s “Grateful Dead”. The Late Great Jim Keith [126]writes:
“An FBI internal memo from 1968 mentions the employment of the Grateful Dead as an avenue ‘to channel youth dissent and rebellion into more benign and non-threatening directions.’ [They] performed a vital service in distracting many young persons into drugs and mysticism, rather than politics.”[127]
“According to my contact, the CIA is deeply concerned about the subversive influence of popular music on young people, that’s why ‘they murdered Brian Jones, John Lennon and Jim Morrison’.
What’s been worrying the spooks lately is the sway black radicalism has gained over the minds of white teenagers, to counter this ‘they’ve been pushing Nation of Islam style separatism among rappers’. Likewise, the white Grunge movement spearheaded by Nirvana was backed by the CIA because ‘they wanted to divide youngsters on racial lines, if black and white kids linked up, they’d pose a serious threat to the system. The whole point of Grunge is to instill in teenagers a sense of hopelessness, to fill them with self-hate and prevent them from changing the world.’Apparently, the CIA got hold of Cobain when he was still unknown, then using drugs, hypnosis and medical torture; they broke his will and rebuilt his personality. ‘Most of the time he’d act relatively normal,’ I was told, ‘but all it took was a few key words spoken over the phone and Cobain would carry out the deeds he’d been programmed to enact.’ My contact was convinced that the singer had been brainwashed into committing suicide at the peak of his success because the CIA figured this would reduce his potentially rebellious fans to complete despair.
However, the conspiracy theorist admitted several of his fellow researchers thought Cobain had taken his own life as the only means of breaking free from the influence of his controllers. If this is the case, then the rock star is a hero rather than simply a victim, and his death provides grounds for a fresh outbreak of teenager rebellion.”[128]
Isn’t that exactly what Katt Williams was threatening to become a “folk hero” to the masses for having the courage and heart to expose truths to power?
At first, I had succumbed to the LEGEND that Katt Williams was a self destructing drug addicted crazed maniac or another Hip Hop Satanic Cult member wittingly beholden to a Blood Covenant with the Devil for Fame and Fortune. Now, I am not too sure.
Isn’t it clear what Katt Williams is really trying to tell us? Courtney Love and her father, Hank Harrison were Kurt Cobain’s CIA MK ULTRA handlers, and the same forces that made and controlled Kurt Cobain, also secretly made and control him that now want him neutralized, discredited and DEAD!
On December 28, 2012, LAPD broke into Katt Williams’ home in Woodland Hills, CA. According to Williams, the police broke into his lock gun cases and removed his weapons then charged him with felony endangerment of four of his children. The children were removed from the home or office by the LA County Child Protection Agency.[129] The police raid went down at 8:30 a.m., right around when news outlets were learning that the Feds IRS filed a $4 million tax lien against him.[130] I understand that Katt’s entire net worth is a little above $4 million.
Within hours of the IRS lien and LAPD home-office raid and release from jail, Lucifer’s Servant-Brotherhood of Death (DEATH ROW) and MK ULTRA Handler, Suge Knight, deliberately led Katt Williams into another place of absolute CHAOS to further discredit the Comedy Emperor in the global public eyes.[131] In TMZ’s video “Club Fight,” below, Katt Williams appears as a paranoid, confused, wounded and helpless frightened child as he desperately took refuse and safety behind a large dumpster and a dark SUV. Where’s security? Why does security allow light in the ass people like the guy in the pink shirt to just run up on Katt Williams without being body slammed or put down?
It seems as if they’re deliberatively driving him “SOMEWHERE OVER THE RAINBOW” to find a place of peace without trouble; justify his “SUICIDE” in the eyes of the masses of the people based upon a False LEGEND.
Kurt Cobain committed suicide to free his soul to become as free as a Gazelle (Katt Williams’ Dog “Rasha“) from MK ULTRA mind control and torture. If Katt Williams is an ILLUMINATI- CIA Voodoo Boy’s Mind Control victim, then my love, heart, soul and prayers are with him unconditionally that the LORD and the PEOPLE will see beyond the smoked mirrors, ILLUSIONS, and the LOOKING GLASS; and help him find a way his way home from “SOMEPLACE OVER THE RAINBOW”, and OVERCOME THE POWER AND CONTROL OF LUCIFER, and the ILLUMINATI.
http://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/2013/01/02/somewhere-over-the-rainbow-katt-williams-kurt-cobain-the-cia-mk-ultra-finders/
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Sorry, I can´t....
Frankly and honestly, seeing all the attempts to explain this as part of the hoax makes me sick to my stomach.
This is against all the moral values that I have.
And I am not ashamed to say that.
If it turns out to be different from what I think...well, so be it.
My thoughts exactly. It just doesn't make sense to me that Paris would go to this extreme to bring attention to suicide among teens or even children. Michael hoaxing his death is way more complex imo - I can't compare MJ hoax to this.
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Fake fake fake all fake. It's all fake. Every little bit of "news" we get is fake. All of it.
Ever notice no one really gives a crap about the trial that's going on? The real news stories are going on outside the courtroom. Wade's accusations, now Paris tries to kill herself (come on); the clowns are outside of court this time. That's why it's not televised. Because that's not the show. THIS is. The staged and the spin offs and the accidental perfect coincidences, all part of this massive entertainment project MJ launched in 2009.
There's always something going on with the Jackson family, isn't there? Periodically, in the news, over something or other, drip drip drip.
And this emotional turmoil the community is going through is part of the experience for the audience. All of it. The drama, the concern, the worry, the outrage, the hand wringing, the humor too... and our interaction; the comradery, the arguments, the whole online community thing, deaders n hoaxers oh my.
If Paris really had a problem no one would hear about it. What we are shown is an alternative Jackson family reality; the Hollywood version. The staged version.
That's what I think.
Bec, becca, becky...wow, how I love your posts
I agree, THIS IS the show we are supposed to be watching. We are all eagerly looking at the AEG trial but with all the shocking news outside of court our attention seems to be in need of refocusing.
It does frustrate me that no matter what we've learnt, we are still scratching the surface. Like Aussie said isn't our belief in MJ's hoax just like this issue right now. MJ's hoax would have his most 'devoted' fans in a state of depression. They may have even thought of killing themselves, but in Paris' case? I don't think so.
And just because you think MJ would not do this or that doesn't make you right. We are discovering the man we never knew yet we act like we already have. We believe MJ lives yet we disregard everything else, worse yet we don't even consider it. It's hard but to be open minded and completely balanced we need to look at the possibilities. Lawyers don't support their facts with their emotions or their assumptions, they back it up with evidence. It gets you nowhere if you shut everything off. Or the fact that there seems to be so much sensitivity when it comes to MJ. MJ wasn't always the innocent little angelic person he portrayed so stop treating him like he deserves any leeway. It would be detrimental to your critic of issues if you were to let your perceptions get in the way of your good judgement. Just because this is MJ's hoax does not mean you owe him any special consideration, we would not be looking at this impartially if we did.
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PARIS JACKSON
COPS SAY SHE DIDN'T WANT TO DIE
EXCLUSIVE
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Cops officially classified the Paris Jackson incident as a "suicide attempt," but they do NOT believe her intent was to kill herself.
Law enforcement sources familiar with the situation tell TMZ ... based on the information the L.A. County Sheriff's Dept. has gathered ... "She wanted attention." One source involved in the case tells us ... her call to a suicide hotline is compelling evidence "she wanted to be saved." The source added, "It makes no sense if you really want to die to call a hotline, where the person on the other end will get an ambulance over to your house."
TMZ broke the story ... Paris used a meat cleaver to cut her arm and took a bunch of Motrin, and our sources say as a result they must classify it as a "suicide attempt." But, as one source put it, "Who takes Motrin to kill themselves? She called the suicide hotline because she wanted the attention and wanted to make sure EMTs got there in time."
We're also told Paris was conscious when EMTs arrived and did not argue or put up a struggle when she was placed on a stretcher.
One source connected with the case tells us, "She's into the drama."
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/06/paris-jackson-cops-think-she-didnt-want-to-die/#ixzz2VQeUXU00
The two parts of this article I made bold stuck out to me. If this is true, saying shes in to "drama" after a suicide attempt to me is flat out cruel.
But also, is there seeds of doubt trying to be planted? "Who takes motrin to kill themselves", "she's into the drama"? Idk, but what ever "source" that is being used seems to doubt the seriousiness of this matter. That is only my opinion, but those two phrases just stuck out to me.
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LoveNeeds:
I'm not sure if this is already been posted....
http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2013/06/06/paris-jackson-cops-think-she-didnt-want-to-die
PARIS JACKSON
COPS SAY SHE DIDN'T WANT TO DIE
Cops officially classified the Paris Jackson incident as a "suicide attempt," but they do NOT believe her intent was to kill herself.
Law enforcement sources familiar with the situation tell TMZ ... based on the information the L.A. County Sheriff's Dept. has gathered ... "She wanted attention." One source involved in the case tells us ... her call to a suicide hotline is compelling evidence "she wanted to be saved." The source added, "It makes no sense if you really want to die to call a hotline, where the person on the other end will get an ambulance over to your house."
TMZ broke the story ... Paris used a meat cleaver to cut her arm and took a bunch of Motrin, and our sources say as a result they must classify it as a "suicide attempt." But, as one source put it, "Who takes Motrin to kill themselves? She called the suicide hotline because she wanted the attention and wanted to make sure EMTs got there in time."
We're also told Paris was conscious when EMTs arrived and did not argue or put up a struggle when she was placed on a stretcher.
One source connected with the case tells us, "She's into the drama."
Just like her father...but to what degree?
I understand the strong reactions here - suicide or attempted suicide is a very serious and heartbreaking issue. No arguments there. If someone chooses not to believe this story, it does not make them uncaring or paranoid and I don't think that Michael would condemn anyone for questioning what they hear in the media, especially where his family is concerned. I think everyone here wants Michael's children to be happy and healthy and feels protective of them.
Is not death at the hands of an incompetent doctor serious? Is not kidnapping (Katherine) serious? Are not child molestation accusations serious? - We know none of these things happened, they're untrue. Media fabrications.
I was totally shocked when I read the headline about Paris yesterday afternoon but I instinctively knew it couldn't be true. Not that my instinct has to be right but having that gut reaction shouldn't be condemned. Like LoveNeeds said, it's reminiscent of when Michael "died" - the strong and passionate believer vs non-believer arguments. Not being able to see this suicide attempt story as part of the hoax doesn't mean that it's not part of the hoax. Likewise with thinking it's part of the hoax doesn't mean that it is. We don't "KNOW" anything apart from what the media reports....and we all know how "accurate" they can be. But either way, we can send our love and positive energies to Paris and her brothers. And to everyone out there who may be suffering.
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LoveNeeds:
I'm not sure if this is already been posted....
http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2013/06/06/paris-jackson-cops-think-she-didnt-want-to-die
PARIS JACKSON
COPS SAY SHE DIDN'T WANT TO DIE
Cops officially classified the Paris Jackson incident as a "suicide attempt," but they do NOT believe her intent was to kill herself.
Law enforcement sources familiar with the situation tell TMZ ... based on the information the L.A. County Sheriff's Dept. has gathered ... "She wanted attention." One source involved in the case tells us ... her call to a suicide hotline is compelling evidence "she wanted to be saved." The source added, "It makes no sense if you really want to die to call a hotline, where the person on the other end will get an ambulance over to your house."
TMZ broke the story ... Paris used a meat cleaver to cut her arm and took a bunch of Motrin, and our sources say as a result they must classify it as a "suicide attempt." But, as one source put it, "Who takes Motrin to kill themselves? She called the suicide hotline because she wanted the attention and wanted to make sure EMTs got there in time."
We're also told Paris was conscious when EMTs arrived and did not argue or put up a struggle when she was placed on a stretcher.
One source connected with the case tells us, "She's into the drama."
Just like her father...but to what degree?
I understand the strong reactions here - suicide or attempted suicide is a very serious and heartbreaking issue. No arguments there. If someone chooses not to believe this story, it does not make them uncaring or paranoid and I don't think that Michael would condemn anyone for questioning what they hear in the media, especially where his family is concerned. I think everyone here wants Michael's children to be happy and healthy and feels protective of them.
Is not death at the hands of an incompetent doctor serious? Is not kidnapping (Katherine) serious? Are not child molestation accusations serious? - We know none of these things happened, they're untrue. Media fabrications.
I was totally shocked when I read the headline about Paris yesterday afternoon but I instinctively knew it couldn't be true. Not that my instinct has to be right but having that gut reaction shouldn't be condemned. Like LoveNeeds said, it's reminiscent of when Michael "died" - the strong and passionate believer vs non-believer arguments. Not being able to see this suicide attempt story as part of the hoax doesn't mean that it's not part of the hoax. Likewise with thinking it's part of the hoax doesn't mean that it is. We don't "KNOW" anything apart from what the media reports....and we all know how "accurate" they can be. But either way, we can send our love and positive energies to Paris and her brothers. And to everyone out there who may be suffering.
I personally belive the "she's into the drama" and "who tries to kill themselves with mortin" are ment to plant seeds of doubt about the seriousness of this issue (if theres a hoax angle to it). If not, questioning the motive for attempting suicide just seems cold. And considering the source is allegedly "close to the case" (I believe thats how it was phrased) means to me, some one close to Paris. How could a police officer or doctor (who would be close to the case) know if Paris likes drama?
So idk, I'm trying not to rush to judgement and be open to reports that are bound to come out at sometime and also other opinions.
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Ok people, i have terrible thought but i need to put it out anyway so don't judge or get mad, i just need to put it there and see what you think about it.
as we don't know "everything" about the Jackson family, and that most of the time people tend not to talk about family issues and pretending everything's fine, i got this idea in mind sooner when thinking about this again.
We're in the middle of a TRIAL. Katherine Jackson is attacking AEG for wrongful death, and asking 40 billions for "damage". Whzt could influence the jury more than a proof of the damage... Poor Paris being a lost teen, trying to suicide. Most people would think the loss of her beloved dad is the main reason for her to come to such extremes. She's the little girl everybody saw on tv, crying and saying she loved her dad, and she's the one who made people understand who MJ is. Something happening to her after her dad is dead, would surely get people to think the death of her dad is responsible for her trouble and therefore a "damage"...
I don't say that MJ himself may have been planning this, i don't say Katherine had this in mind, i don't even say Paris faked ! I just mean MAYBE, someone among the Jackson manipulated Paris to get her to act so, knowing it would serve the trial and maybe bring 40 billions home.
I'm finished with what i had to say, you can slap me now lol
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Ok people, i have terrible thought but i need to put it out anyway so don't judge or get mad, i just need to put it there and see what you think about it.
as we don't know "everything" about the Jackson family, and that most of the time people tend not to talk about family issues and pretending everything's fine, i got this idea in mind sooner when thinking about this again.
We're in the middle of a TRIAL. Katherine Jackson is attacking AEG for wrongful death, and asking 40 billions for "damage". Whzt could influence the jury more than a proof of the damage... Poor Paris being a lost teen, trying to suicide. Most people would think the loss of her beloved dad is the main reason for her to come to such extremes. She's the little girl everybody saw on tv, crying and saying she loved her dad, and she's the one who made people understand who MJ is. Something happening to her after her dad is dead, would surely get people to think the death of her dad is responsible for her trouble and therefore a "damage"...
I don't say that MJ himself may have been planning this, i don't say Katherine had this in mind, i don't even say Paris faked ! I just mean MAYBE, someone among the Jackson manipulated Paris to get her to act so, knowing it would serve the trial and maybe bring 40 billions home.
I'm finished with what i had to say, you can slap me now lol
Nobody's gonna slap you, lol! Great post. Actually something like that was running in my head too. Maybe AEG and the Jackson family are just trying to control jurys minds to win this trial. AEG tried to make MJ look bad with Wade Robson, and now the Jackson family tries to make AEG look bad with Paris.
Anything is possible
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mrbigshot
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This is reminiscent in EVERY facet of the "michael jackson death phenomena." . the family has always ascertained that michael would never intentionally harm himself
.............this is only the beginning of the shocker...
I think this is the indicator that something even more complex is on the horizon.
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- You think people will buy this?
- Why not?This is the BTN.Our job is to report the news, not fabricate it.
You can't handle the truth...
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Dr. Conrad Murray
Message to Paris
'You Are Not Alone' [AUDIO]
http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/06/dr-conrad-murray-paris-jackson-audio-message-jail-attempted-suicide/
Dr. Conrad Murray has outdone himself ... this time sending an audio message to Paris Jackson, telling her he'd like to help her figure out what's eating her.
Murray used a pay phone to send what he calls a "letter" to Paris, telling her "I don't know if there's anything to do to solve your pain," adding, "I'm here for you."
The message is bizarre ... Murray also uses the title of a Jackson song, "You Are Not Alone." He also uses verses from "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" and "You've Got a Friend."
And there's this ... Murray mentions that Paris consoled him "in [her] deepest moments of grief."
Wow.
:WTF:
Listen the tape.. it's weird. I don't know how to embed it here
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Ok, after watching her make-up tutorial on youtube I can say that she is a very goooooood actresssss........
Bravo Paris, you really convinced me that you are a disturbed teen. Paris kept saying: I'm weird. She even said that she likes dark lipstick because her soul is dark. Would anyone in hoaxland believe that Paris Jackson has a dark soul and that she is weird? The answer is:"NO".
I was really astonished by her great acting talent! She is really good!! Of course many people would disagree with me and believe that she is really disturbed. But for your information: weird people don't say they are weird. They just act weird and think they are normal .It's psychological....
Anyway, that video has been uploaded to serve the purpose. How many people around the globe are convinced now that Michael Jackson's daughter is a freak and needs to go to rehab??
But I'm just wondering why MJ is putting her through all this? Her reputation has been totally ruined now. How could she ever fix that? She is only 15. She is still a child! Why.... oh ..... why??
Diggyon thanks for your post because I wanted to post exactly the same but I wouldn't have done it better than you, she really IS a very good actress I was amazed about her make up tutorial vid, her facial gestures which seduce the camera, just awesome.
Why MJ is putting her through all this? because Paris is Michael's Major ASSET, why? because she is clever and Michael knows it I believe they have been talking hours and hours about the hoax and Paris wanted to take part in it to help her father after learning what kind of life Michael had, this way she will never be fooled by anyone (lesson learned) she will be respected and will grow with a strong and unbreakable personality, she has had the fortune or misfortune to be the daughter of the best known entertainer in the world and she has to take advantage of it.
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Dr. Conrad Murray
Message to Paris
'You Are Not Alone' [AUDIO]
http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/06/dr-conrad-murray-paris-jackson-audio-message-jail-attempted-suicide/
Dr. Conrad Murray has outdone himself ... this time sending an audio message to Paris Jackson, telling her he'd like to help her figure out what's eating her.
Murray used a pay phone to send what he calls a "letter" to Paris, telling her "I don't know if there's anything to do to solve your pain," adding, "I'm here for you."
The message is bizarre ... Murray also uses the title of a Jackson song, "You Are Not Alone." He also uses verses from "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" and "You've Got a Friend."
And there's this ... Murray mentions that Paris consoled him "in [her] deepest moments of grief."
Wow.
:WTF:
Listen the tape.. it's weird. I don't know how to embed it here
Yep weird alright. I have posted this in a new thread already as we give all TMZ articles their own thread.
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Dr. Conrad Murray
Message to Paris
'You Are Not Alone' [AUDIO]
http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/06/dr-conrad-murray-paris-jackson-audio-message-jail-attempted-suicide/
Dr. Conrad Murray has outdone himself ... this time sending an audio message to Paris Jackson, telling her he'd like to help her figure out what's eating her.
Murray used a pay phone to send what he calls a "letter" to Paris, telling her "I don't know if there's anything to do to solve your pain," adding, "I'm here for you."
The message is bizarre ... Murray also uses the title of a Jackson song, "You Are Not Alone." He also uses verses from "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" and "You've Got a Friend."
And there's this ... Murray mentions that Paris consoled him "in [her] deepest moments of grief."
Wow.
:WTF:
Listen the tape.. it's weird. I don't know how to embed it here
"Ive never been gone. I'll always will be available to listen to you", "Paris I to love you as a precious father loves his own child".
I'm looking at this through hoax lenses (though I"m still conflicted to if this is hoax related, to be honest). This sounds like MJ talking to Paris through Murray. Also there were question if MJ would reveal himself to be with his daughter if this was infact a real suicide attempt. Maybe this is MJ making it clear that he never left his children (whether he's with them all the time or not) and has Paris back.
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Weeeeeee history repeats. Feels just like Dave Dave. This is the biggest thing that's happened since Breaking News broke lol. And to think just two days ago I was complaining that this trial stuff was boring. Emails shmemails, snooze fest. But then oh em gee, Paris tries to kill herself! Oh the drama!! This hoax just got a B-12 shot in the arm! Bring it on, someone needed to spice things up. We were all falling asleep over here...
lol
I'm not sure why hoaxers still believe the media. MJ been telling us they lie and tell fictional stories about him and his life for over 25 years now. How many times does he have to tell us the same thing?? That's good enough for me to say confidently: fake fake fake, all of it, fake.
He's manipulating us like a puppetmaster. Oh the emotional rollercoaster; the ups the downs the thrills the spills, which way is it going next? No one knows! He will make you laugh, he will make you cry, he will make you love and he will make you HATE. Emotion, feel it, this is living.
Insult me, disparage me, rip me a new one. I really don't care. I am a hoaxer. If I cared what people thought of me I'd have long ago off'ed myself cuz I clearly just don't think like a "normal" person. I was born this way I guess, can't help it. Bird gotta fly, fish gotta swim, bec gotta think like a weirdo.
Everyone is welcome to their own opinion. I don't feel the need to change anyone's mind. We are all privy to the same info. Draw your conclusion and I will draw mine. Kumbaya and all that jazz.
But man this is fun. I am made of teflon, bring your fire brigade.
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Weeeeeee history repeats. Feels just like Dave Dave. This is the biggest thing that's happened since Breaking News broke lol. And to think just two days ago I was complaining that this trial stuff was boring. Emails shmemails, snooze fest. But then oh em gee, Paris tries to kill herself! Oh the drama!! This hoax just got a B-12 shot in the arm! Bring it on, someone needed to spice things up. We were all falling asleep over here...
lol
I'm not sure why hoaxers still believe the media. MJ been telling us they lie and tell fictional stories about him and his life for over 25 years now. How many times does he have to tell us the same thing?? That's good enough for me to say confidently: fake fake fake, all of it, fake.
He's manipulating us like a puppetmaster. Oh the emotional rollercoaster; the ups the downs the thrills the spills, which way is it going next? No one knows! He will make you laugh, he will make you cry, he will make you love and he will make you HATE. Emotion, feel it, this is living.
Insult me, disparage me, rip me a new one. I really don't care. I am a hoaxer. If I cared what people thought of me I'd have long ago off'ed myself cuz I clearly just don't think like a "normal" person. I was born this way I guess, can't help it. Bird gotta fly, fish gotta swim, bec gotta think like a weirdo.
Everyone is welcome to their own opinion. I don't feel the need to change anyone's mind. We are all privy to the same info. Draw your conclusion and I will draw mine. Kumbaya and all that jazz.
But man this is fun. I am made of teflon, bring your fire brigade.
“In all affairs it's a healthy thing now and then to hang a question mark on the things you have long taken for granted.”
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Bec:
bec gotta think like a weirdo.
I am made of teflon, bring your fire brigade.
Bec :LolLolLolLol:
I saw this on FB and I found it at least coincidental:
6/5/2013 9:34= (33) AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF
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6/5/2013 9:34= (33) AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF
Wait, where's the 33 come from? I see 9:34 = 7, what am I missing, sunset?
oh wait, 17+16? that does = 33. gotcha :icon_cool:
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6/5/2013 9:34= (33) AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF
Wait, where's the 33 come from? I see 9:34 = 7, what am I missing, sunset?
oh wait, 17+16? that does = 33. gotcha :icon_cool:
Or:
6+5+2+1+3+9+3+4= 33
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Thank you sweet for you're comment :)
I still can't understand how people have totally ignored the "make-up" tutorial, which takes me a step further: why a make-up tutorial and not a "cooking" tutorial or a "music tutorial"?
Hmmm...... well, in that vid Paris showed us how she is putting on make-up to be this strange "emo" girl. For me, it's a way she is telling us that she transforms herself into another character, this weird teen through this strange make-up. And of course, all actors have to put on make-up before they act. I might be wrong with my interpretation! But after putting this make-up on, she started to act really weird. Guys please watch the video and see for yourself!
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Sorry, I can´t....
Frankly and honestly, seeing all the attempts to explain this as part of the hoax makes me sick to my stomach.
This is against all the moral values that I have.
And I am not ashamed to say that.
If it turns out to be different from what I think...well, so be it.
My thoughts exactly. It just doesn't make sense to me that Paris would go to this extreme to bring attention to suicide among teens or even children. Michael hoaxing his death is way more complex imo - I can't compare MJ hoax to this.
I don't for a minute think this story is real for Paris. But it IS real for thousands of teens. I know of several teens in my small area who have committed suicide. Seems to me another 'lie' by an artist revealing the truth. If it can happen to Paris Jackson.....it can happen to anyone
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I originally intended to remain silent in this latest heated debate but now feel like something should be said. I don’t think that one person here arguing their point can say with 100% certainty what the truth is regarding the story on Paris. Unless you were there…you simply can’t know and this is too sensitive of a subject to "guess" wrongly. In the 24 hours since this broke I’ve reasoned the following possibilities…
A) The story is not true and part of the hoax - Lots of hoaxers were very quick to fly that flag. I’m having a REAL difficult time trying to find any merit to that argument. I can’t fathom ANY positive result from this story (with the possible exception of it bringing sympathy to the Jackson side of Jackson vs AEG). Some have offered that this is to bring attention to a devastating condition that's prevalent in teens and young adults these days. The problem with that argument is that there are too many kids out there who are already teetering on the edge anyway. Seeing all the attention to this being splashed all over the place could very well tip the delicate balance of the scales in their mind. Paris is likely viewed by her peers as someone “who has it all”. “All” in their minds, at this stage in their lives, is a far cry from what’s truly important…but if they think that she can’t make it…what message are they likely to take from that? IMO this would end up doing way more damage than good.
B) The story is true – Michael alive. There have been many doubts expressed that there is no way this could happen if Michael is still with us. I disagree. It was visibly apparent the toll that the stress of his life took on Michael at various points. Dealing with the BS from day to day from just about every direction. Now wrap that all up and place it on the shoulders of a 15 yo girl. Paris is very strong and well beyond her years in some aspects…but she’s still only 15 in her heart. That’s a hard time for any girl…much less one that is stalked 24/7. The sheer evil of the things people have said to/about her on social media is astounding. Her Father (her rock) not being able to be with her daily for love and support would have to be very difficult and overwhelming at times. Every human being has a breaking point...it's only how far we allow ourselves to "break" that makes the difference.
C) The story is true – Michael gone. Not that I advocate this option at all…but there would be no need to explain how this all could happen if that was the case.
With all of that being said, logic tells me that there is a greater chance of me erring in my judgment to think that this story is false or contrived. That decision seems further supported if you observe the comments of people who are actually close to the family. Not the “sources” quoted in the article but friends that post comments independently on social media. They seem very genuine in concern for Paris and anger at the media. These tweets wouldn't be necessary to propel a fake story.
My bottom line is if I’m going to be wrong about something…I’ll take the hit for missing an element of the hoax and laugh it off as a momentary lapse in skepticism. But, especially as a mother, I sure as hell am not going to take the chance that I've been dismissive or hurtful to a child that may be struggling under the weight of a very heavy burden. I would hope that none of you would or you've completely missed the message all along. God Bless Michael and Paris and help us each to remember to think and feel from our hearts. I think that part is forgotten sometimes when we have our hoax hats on. The world turns from day to day…but the hoax is not its axis.
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I guess i'm going to take the "anormal" (as the majority of ppl here think) side in this story, and say that for me this is at least 90% real... And yes, i've been very active in this hoax since the very beginning and i learnt A LOT - so i'm not blinded by the media nor just merely believing everything they say. I have to admit i usually follow the "this is all planned"/"MJ has control over everything"/"this is a circus and the greatest show on Earth" theories and i have laughted many many times at some supposedly serious things going on in this hoax (trials, burial, people crying, autopsy etc etc)... but come on, let's not get crazy with the hoax, calling every single unsuitable event fake... I mean, something is really wrong with the whole MJ stuff right now and it doesn't seem to me like those things are planned by MJ - this is no more about "fun" or "spreading messages" (because i am not a fool and i do believe this hoax purposes are far from mere entertainment, so i don't wanna be criticized just like other ppl here were for "not having learnt anything from the hoax" etc). It started with the AEG trial that brought back some negative images and stories with people lying and contradicting themselves, then Wade Robson brought his disgusting stuff over and now we have Paris trying to commit suicide ---> how can we still think it is all planned and keep saying "lol it's such a funny circus"? Well, no! it isn't funny at all and i have the impression that those recent events can truly jeopardize the whole hoax... I also feel someone's behind all this, trying to bring MJ down, bcs the climax that is being created is just so negative that i'm almost 100% sure MJ has nothing to do with it. Because thinking logically - why oh why would he bring back the child molestation accusations? To clear up his image? To test people? To create attention? To prepare his bam? Well i'm not buying any of those thories... The same for Paris - why would he stage a suicide attempt of his child... It'll alter Paris's image, MJ's image as a father, Jackson family's image as they were not able to help in time... What would it bring to the hoax? Entertainment?....ehm not really... a message? the one of teenagers' suicides issue? I don't think so... Or maybe to create drama because it's just do funny and hoaxy to stage a suicidal attempt of your child.... I really think we should wake up and face things logically - come on! we are hoaxers, investigators - we should INVESTIGATE and that means wanting to find the truth WHATEVER it is... and not just merely say "It's fake i don't believe it"... I truly do not know who is behind all this negative stuff that is going on - but it is surely not MJ...What if he needs our help, what if he needs our support as beLIEvers who are supposed to spread the truth and investigate?.... Will we disappoint him? because while he needs us, we just go on saying that is all fake, simply doing nothing to discover the truth....
Anyway we should stay strong whatever happens - we've come too far to give up!
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Prince Michael Jackson Cancels TV Appearance After Paris's Hospitalization
A day after the news of his sister Paris Jackson's hospitalization for a suicide attempt, Prince Michael Jackson I has bowed out of a scheduled appearance on highly rated German TV show.
Prince Michael, 16, was to have filled in for Paris, 15, on Wetten, dass ...? (Wanna Bet?). Paris was originally booked on the program for its summer edition filmed in Mallorca, Spain.
On Thursday, a spokeswoman at German TV station ZDF told PEOPLE that the production team is in contact with Prince Michael's management, which canceled his trip to Europe.
Said the rep, Silke Blömer, "Under these circumstances, we perfectly understand that Prince Michael prefers to stay close to his family. We wish Paris the strength and the power to recover soon."
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20706637,00.html
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MJ is not dead. Then why would Paris commit suicide?
If MJ was dead, then I would have believed that she tried to kill herself.
Non believers believe the media because the think MJ is dead and Paris is hopeless.
What about believers? Do they think believe that Paris is weird and has a dark soul?
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Guys I've been thinking all day about this and now I want to tell you my thought: after 25 June we are many believers.Michael has subjected us to various tests in these years, because he knows how wonderful is this great adventure but also very difficult.
And I believe that when we get to the end he wants the true believers , those really convinced of what he has done, who really understood why he did June 25.
Well...the verdict in the Murray trial has decimated many peoples, because they have seen the collapse of their beliefs.
Four years of waiting are many, are heavy the long periods of silence....we were many at the beginning of this adventure...we are always so many but a lot less now.
And now the suicide attempt of Paris : another Mike's test for me. I have read many comments on various sites and many see their ideas falter with this news.
For me Paris is with her daddy protected and defended by his love.
In these years we have never heard of her complaints or problems, she has always seemed serene and I think it was not a fiction.
And now June 25 is coming....
So I can only say.... Michael now and forever united in L.O.V.E. with trust and loyalty as you deserve. :bearhug:
Paris...L.O.V.E. you so much, little, great women !! :bearhug:
L.O.V.E. you all my dearest Hoax family. :bearhug:
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Guys I've been thinking all day about this and now I want to tell you my thought: after 25 June we are many believers.Michael has subjected us to various tests in these years, because he knows how wonderful is this great adventure but also very difficult.
And I believe that when we get to the end he wants the true believers , those really convinced of what he has done, who really understood why he did June 25.
Well...the verdict in the Murray trial has decimated many peoples, because they have seen the collapse of their beliefs.
Four years of waiting are many, are heavy the long periods of silence....we were many at the beginning of this adventure...we are always so many but a lot less now.
And now the suicide attempt of Paris : another Mike's test for me. I have read many comments on various sites and many see their ideas falter with this news.
For me Paris is with her daddy protected and defended by his love.
In these years we have never heard of her complaints or problems, she has always seemed serene and I think it was not a fiction.
And now June 25 is coming....
So I can only say.... Michael now and forever united in L.O.V.E. with trust and loyalty as you deserve. :bearhug:
Paris...L.O.V.E. you so much, little, great women !! :bearhug:
L.O.V.E. you all my dearest Hoax family. :bearhug:
Thank you Blankie for these words !! .. Now i will Say what i THINK
Believers whom their faith is "shakin'" about the hoax !!!!!!
People ! Michael always told us to read the whole Truth and don't believe media Right ?? , why are we doing this now
Maybe it's just a part of the hoax , non of the jacksons or debbie spoke LIVE in a video or a statment , so why judging now
and believe Me when i'm telling You PARIS MICHAEL JACKSON is not a dark Soul ... I Saw it all from her Tiny chat videos she is
a funny intelligent girl who loves acting and have an awesome sense of humor !
PLUS ! paris in her last tweet Quoted the Beatles's Song "Yesterday"
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away
Now it looks as though they're here to stay
Oh, I believe in yesterday
So i think that "Believe" Means something ....
and in that make up tutorial that she did !! it was amazing i couldn't recognize her , So michael and paris are both
Genuis people and Great actors !
i deeply deeply think it's a part from Michael's hoax
(Greatest Show On Earth)
shock
wait for it ... wait for it ... :michael-jackson:
L.O.V.E. Rouxie :bearhug:
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Ok you mean we musn't believe in media
yet everybody here is ok to add numbers that appear on every TMZ article and accept it as "MJ's gospel" and to consider the fact that "MJ controls media to communicate clues to us"
Isn't there something wrong lol ? I think hoaxers must "choose a side" and not just make everything fit with the hoax theory.
I just mean, not everything is hoax related or "entertainment". As i said in a previous post "shit happens" even for the best people.
You cannot SEE what's wrong with a teen from what she let you see. Sometime teens can be all happy, and cry the next minute. They can hide feelings, they can show off, pretend, and yet hurt inside. As long as we get nothing "worth to investigate on" it's pretty cruel to deny what might be real pain.
Paris being "all happy" is not as clear as "MJ is alive".
I see many things that would make her suffer
- trial pressure with everything coming back + new story about child molesting being brought to her face and attacking her dad's image
- family issue ? (remember about katherine "disappearing" and jacksons arguing, we never knew what happened exactly)
- mom being back in her life and all the new social relation she's building with her (all expectations and questions she may have in mind)
- not talking to her bro (she said they are now very different and that he doesn't want to see his mom)
- love trouble (from what i read on her twitter)
- paparazzi pressure anytime she's out
- media pressure anytime she do something
- dad's fame pressure with every fan/hater to spy, read, comment, insult her anytime she does something "dad would be ashamed of" (don't you remember some MJ fan's told her to change her way to dress because they would see a piece of her breast and that "dark style" was not what her dad wanted for her)
- people around pressuring her about how educated she is, how clever, what a "daddy's girl" she is. She must fit the level people expect from her
- Pressure of school (she tweeted about her exams few days ago)
- and all the random things that make teens feel bad.
Do i have to add more or do you think it's enough for a 15 year old girl to "cry for help" ???
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@ Rouxie i deeply deeply think it's a part from Michael's hoax
(Greatest Show On Earth)
shock
wait for it ... wait for it ...
Yeahhh.. ;D. :moonwalk_: Much L.O.V.E. :bearhug:
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Hello everyone,
don't get me wrong, I respect everyones opinion. But somehow my intuition tells me that this Story is true.
Yes for sure the Media makes up alot of BS but not everything is false or a hoax. Shortly before this event Paris
made a confusing tweet. Till today I don't know what did she mean by this tweet.
Paris Jacksoη @ParisJackson 2 Jun
she had blue skin & so did he… he kept it hid & so did she… they searched for blue their whole life thru… then passed right by— & never knew
The next one I would like to know who told her that.
Paris Jacksoη @ParisJackson 4 Jun
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I don't know why my post didn't showed up completly.
The next one I would like to know who told her that.
Paris Jacksoη @ParisJackson 4 Jun
you say i need therapy , well , my darling , so do you . don't need for you to tell me what is wrong in all i say or do
I'm totally worried about her and I hope that her emotionally and physically pain will go away and I wish her a lot of strength and
love.
Much Peace and Love to everyone
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its from Shel Silverstein , googled it and wil copy article here because of "you are not alone " and paris' tweet
You are not alone
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“She had blue skin. And so did he. He kept it hid, and so did she. They searched for blue, their whole life through, Then passed right by—and never knew.” —Shel Silverstein
We don’t like to talk about struggle. It’s easy to say that we should embrace vulnerability; living it proves much harder. Many of us are afraid to speak up when we’re having a hard time. We live in a world that often labels struggle and vulnerability as signs of weakness, rather than as natural and acceptable parts of human experience. Strength, in turn, becomes defined as never having or showing weakness, rather than moving through the moments that challenge us.
Let’s borrow Silverstein’s metaphor, and think of our experiences with struggle as our “blue skin.” We hide our blue skin behind the mask of “I’m fine,” fearing that if we reveal our challenges, others will think less of us; we fear our struggles will isolate us. Although it can seem we’re alone in that fear, we’re not. Ultimately, however, that fear often leaves us all looking out from behind our masks of “I’m just tired” and “I’m okay,” searching for blue and the confirmation that we are not alone in our experience of struggle. We pass by blue every single day—we just never know, because it’s hidden, like ours.
Feeling like the only one with blue skin in a sea of people who don’t appear to be struggling can be a demoralizing and isolating experience, even if we reason that it’s impossible that we’re the only ones having a hard time. Everyone struggles. We know that. So why don’t we talk about it?
By relegating our struggles to the realm of silence, we are not only invalidating our own experiences, but we also risk eliminating the spaces in our community and in our relationships where we can discuss them with openness, honesty and vulnerability.
If we don’t talk about these battles, people will fight them in silence, alone. And sometimes, they will lose. We won’t know our friends and loved ones were experiencing excruciating pain and struggle until it’s too late.
In February of my freshman year of high school, one of my friends took his own life. In the days following his passing, one statement ceaselessly echoed through the subdued conversations held around campus: “I had no idea he was struggling so much.” None of us had any idea he was hurting so badly that he felt suicide was the only solution. We never had the opportunity to meet him in his pain, to walk with him through it, to talk about the struggle now and the promise of brighter days to come. We lost our friend to the silence and stigma surrounding struggle before we got that chance.
Silence and stigma are powerful things. Even after witnessing their dangers and consequences, I waited far too long before asking for help with my own struggles with depression and anxiety. I was scared of the stigma and the ways it might affect me, my family and my relationships. I was so scared, in fact, that I didn’t tell anyone outside of my family for three years. Three! Eventually I mustered up enough courage to stutter out a confession to my best friend. It took me a while, but I am so glad that I finally said something. Her continued love and support following that (surely unexpected) news opened my eyes to the power of letting people meet us in our vulnerable places. I began to understand the healing and hope that can be found in community.
Sometimes I can’t help but wonder how many people I pass in a day that feel as though they’re struggling alone, and searching for proof that others feel the same. Even when you know you’re not alone, it’s hard not to feel that way sometimes. However, the story does not have to end with secrets and silence and loss. The story can end with honesty, community and recovery. There are better endings, and we have the power to write them.
It won’t be easy. Letting people see our more broken parts never is. We’ll have to learn to love and to listen when—most importantly when—it’s challenging, or uncomfortable, or uncool. I invite you to take off your mask. Don’t be afraid to show that blue skin. By allowing ourselves to be vulnerable, we are creating a space in our community for open and honest conversation about difficult things. Reach out to a friend, whether it’s to seek help for yourself or to see how they’re doing.
We all have a voice, and we all have the power to raise it. Let’s use ours to break the silence, and let people know: You are not alone.
Kaitlin Gladney, Trinity ’14, is the president of To Write Love On Her Arms at Duke
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Paris Jacksoη @ParisJackson 21 May
everyone thinks i'm over dramatic when i'm upset but like when an octopus is stressed out it eats itself , so… yeah.
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Thank you MJHunny, now I understand. Yes so true these words we shouldn't keep our struggle a secret.
Your Text did remind me a lot about a poem I did post a few weeks ago written by Michael Jackson and even he didn't show what
was going on with him. The apple doesn't fall deep from the Tree.
Here is his Poem. Submitted 30 September 2008
Some days are better, they're better than others
Everyday I struggle,
Struggle within, struggle beyond what seems logical
Yet, I still find someway to not show
What is truly going on with me
Something I have learned
Learning to deal with disappointment
Gaining strength to over come
How much anger is truly inside of me
Consequently I fall, back down the path of distruction
My rebound that touches my brink to insanity is tragically forgotten
Its only time before what lies before me
Taunts me and I fall
Slip without reconciliation of the consequences for my counteractions
To surpass my anguish, to balance the anxiety
What justifies my prosecution for my twisted soul
That has been tarnished with guilt and humiliation
Still I try to be the man who I am
Who I know to be, before the man himself
Still I feel deceased, dead to the world that's before me
What has become, and what shall be known
Of this,
Myself? ? ?
Michael Jackson
http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/some-days-are-better-they-re-better-than-others/
The whole treat: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23778.0.html
Much Peace and Love to everyone.
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I don't know why my post didn't showed up completly.
The next one I would like to know who told her that.
Paris Jacksoη @ParisJackson 4 Jun
you say i need therapy , well , my darling , so do you . don't need for you to tell me what is wrong in all i say or do
I'm totally worried about her and I hope that her emotionally and physically pain will go away and I wish her a lot of strength and
love.
Much Peace and Love to everyone
Those could have been strategically placed tweets to be made to look like warning signs. To make it look like she was crying out for help but was ignored. That is typically what happens. There's tons on warning signs that aren't picked up so cutting is the next thing to do. To self mutilate.
If this is a part of the hoax it has to feel legit. Look how real MJs death looked. Not everyone on the forum was a believer from the start. I was a non believer for about 4 months.
Idk the significance to all this, why MJ would feel the need to have this in the hoax. But that's why we investigate. A month from now this all may make TOTAL sense.
But this suicide attempt has to play like a suicide attempt. The same way Murray's trial had to feel real. The same way the burial looked real, memorial, etc. The more I think about it, this is MJs M.O. To shock the living shit out of you to get your attention. He SURE got my undivided attention yesterday.
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Loveneedsexpression, the last two sentences of ur post are interesting. Was thinking about this last night too, especially where TMZs article says Paris Wants Attention. Maybe that's the part of the article that was more important. Is Paris commanding the worlds attention? Is this where everyone should be paying attention? Is this a lead up to something?
Attention was the word that stuck out to me most in the article.
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Ok you mean we musn't believe in media
yet everybody here is ok to add numbers that appear on every TMZ article and accept it as "MJ's gospel" and to consider the fact that "MJ controls media to communicate clues to us"
Isn't there something wrong lol ? I think hoaxers must "choose a side" and not just make everything fit with the hoax theory.
I just mean, not everything is hoax related or "entertainment". As i said in a previous post "shit happens" even for the best people.
You cannot SEE what's wrong with a teen from what she let you see. Sometime teens can be all happy, and cry the next minute. They can hide feelings, they can show off, pretend, and yet hurt inside. As long as we get nothing "worth to investigate on" it's pretty cruel to deny what might be real pain.
Paris being "all happy" is not as clear as "MJ is alive".
I see many things that would make her suffer
- trial pressure with everything coming back + new story about child molesting being brought to her face and attacking her dad's image
- family issue ? (remember about katherine "disappearing" and jacksons arguing, we never knew what happened exactly)
- mom being back in her life and all the new social relation she's building with her (all expectations and questions she may have in mind)
- not talking to her bro (she said they are now very different and that he doesn't want to see his mom)
- love trouble (from what i read on her twitter)
- paparazzi pressure anytime she's out
- media pressure anytime she do something
- dad's fame pressure with every fan/hater to spy, read, comment, insult her anytime she does something "dad would be ashamed of" (don't you remember some MJ fan's told her to change her way to dress because they would see a piece of her breast and that "dark style" was not what her dad wanted for her)
- people around pressuring her about how educated she is, how clever, what a "daddy's girl" she is. She must fit the level people expect from her
- Pressure of school (she tweeted about her exams few days ago)
- and all the random things that make teens feel bad.
Do i have to add more or do you think it's enough for a 15 year old girl to "cry for help" ???
:th_bravo: :th_bravo: :th_bravo: :th_bravo: :th_bravo: :th_bravo: :th_bravo: :th_bravo:
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Loveneedsexpression, the last two sentences of ur post are interesting. Was thinking about this last night too, especially where TMZs article says Paris Wants Attention. Maybe that's the part of the article that was more important. Is Paris commanding the worlds attention? Is this where everyone should be paying attention? Is this a lead up to something?
Attention was the word that stuck out to me most in the article.
If there is a hoax connection it has to have a purpose. Otherwise this is just tremulously tragic moment for Paris. But I do think there things about this, like Murray's audio message, that make me think this is apart if the hoax. But why?
It's just so shocking. But so what MJs "death". Why and what is he trying to draw attention to? It seems almost unfair to put Paris through all of this unless its for really good purpose. Maybe she wants to be an advocate for teen suicide awareness. And this is how to raise the most attention to it.
I really don't know at all. I'm truly just guessing. But this incident is so fresh and there is obviously more info that needs to come out. It's really hard to make a definitive conclusion. Like I said, maybe a month from now this will make sense. Whether there is a hoax related purpose or this is truly just a really dark moment for Paris. Only time will tell.
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Did a threat to reveal Michael Jackson WASN'T her father drive Paris over the edge?
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2337180/Did-threat-reveal-Michael-Jackson-WASNT-father-drive-Paris-edge.html#ixzz2VU6Icw8K
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For me this is DEF in on the hoax. For a few reasons. Reason one being it seems no matter where you look or search they are NOT SHOWING the hospital she is in.
They just keep saying an LA hospital or to a nearby hospital etc..... You may think oh its because they dont want people to know which one she in but..........
That info is EASY to find out apparently because ANY OTHER celebs that go to the hospital they know within minutes of which one it is UNLESS the story is
made up and she is not really at one. Reason being they dont want people knowing is im guessing because then people can snoop around by calling, going there etc etc
and asking is Paris here which would in turn spoil their reason for pulling the stunt in the first place and it would expose them. That being said....... Reason two to me is because look
at the timing and ALL THE SHIT that is going down during this trial. You have the Wade Roboson bs accusations, Latoya getting her own show on the OWN, Paris suicide attempt,
CM singing in interviews on tv from jail, CM sending paris a message from jail.... By the way how was that recorded??? Im SURE he didnt call her phone and leave it on vm and
im also sure the jail didnt record it and send it in to tmz for him........ All this stuff is leading up to something that is coming up we just dont know what yet. Reason 3 being
Paris made a video about doing her makeup like 2 or 3 days before this incident and she was one the happiest glowing souls ive ever seen. I just dont think you can go from that happy
to wanting to kill yourself in a matter of days. But these are all just my views and opinions obviously we dont KNOW anything. What do you all think??
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For me this is DEF in on the hoax. For a few reasons. Reason one being it seems no matter where you look or search they are NOT SHOWING the hospital she is in.
They just keep saying an LA hospital or to a nearby hospital etc..... You may think oh its because they dont want people to know which one she in but..........
That info is EASY to find out apparently because ANY OTHER celebs that go to the hospital they know within minutes of which one it is UNLESS the story is
made up and she is not really at one. Reason being they dont want people knowing is im guessing because then people can snoop around by calling, going there etc etc
and asking is Paris here which would in turn spoil their reason for pulling the stunt in the first place and it would expose them. That being said....... Reason two to me is because look
at the timing and ALL THE SHIT that is going down during this trial. You have the Wade Roboson bs accusations, Latoya getting her own show on the OWN, Paris suicide attempt,
CM singing in interviews on tv from jail, CM sending paris a message from jail.... By the way how was that recorded??? Im SURE he didnt call her phone and leave it on vm and
im also sure the jail didnt record it and send it in to tmz for him........ All this stuff is leading up to something that is coming up we just dont know what yet. Reason 3 being
Paris made a video about doing her makeup like 2 or 3 days before this incident and she was one the happiest glowing souls ive ever seen. I just dont think you can go from that happy
to wanting to kill yourself in a matter of days. But these are all just my views and opinions obviously we dont KNOW anything. What do you all think??
THANK YOU!
How exactly did tmz get that recording!
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As a parent, if I were in Michael's position, I would do everything possible to keep the suicide attempt out of the news and I have no doubt he would have the power to protect his daughter from this kind of publicity. Any 'leaks' would necessarily be unconfirmed because medical professionals are precluded from disclosing these kinds of details.
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How exactly did tmz get that recording!
:michael-jackson:
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6 pages, wow! When was the last time we had a 6 page thread?
Entertainment. Yup. Each and every one of us is being entertained right this second. Even the ones who vilify the concept keep coming back here like the junkies that we are because we are hooked on this fantasy world of hoax. We are entertained to the max. Best show ever.
Ps. what's the harm in being wrong on this one if you think it's part of the hoax? You think Paris will be devastated because I think her Daddy is capable of pulling off the greatest stunt in history? Oh come on. People say her Daddy isn't her real Daddy on here all the time and I don't see them being tarred n feathered like this for potentially devastating Paris. I would think that allegation would devastate a teen girl a whole lot more then a hoaxer saying that her Daddy staged this suicide attempt as part of his giant hoax project.
And really? Some think Paris's fake suicide attempt might cause someone else to try suicide? That's a weird argument. If you live your whole life avoiding doing anything that might drive a secretly suicidal complete stranger over the edge you'd never leave the house. Or log into the internet for that matter. You have no control what someone else does with their lives.
MJ faked his own death. Not death attempt, his demise, his removal from existence, his transition into the past-tense. Non-believers use this argument all the time to de-legitimize the hoax theory; 'MJ would never fake his death because some of his fans might commit suicide when they think he's really dead'. Guess what, no one did. Honestly, you can't control what other people are going to do with their lives. Every one of us is bestowed with free will. If someone really wants to kill themselves they will regardless of what a celebrity does or does not do. Anyone who commits suicide over a celebrity's actions has some serious problems that the celebrity's actions have *zero* to do with. This is where their family and loved ones need to step up, not MJ. And not Paris either.
And I am not being insensitive by supporting the theory that this is FAKE. A meat clever and Midol? Come on. This is a soap opera.
Oh and since when does Debbie Rowe go crying to the media about personal, private, family stuff? That should be the first clue that something isn't right.
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Some nasty things have been said. Some things have also been said by several people regarding "The story is false because it crosses moral / ethical boundaries, therefore on that basis it must be true". That line of reasoning inspired me to make a list of things that possibly cross moral / ethical boundaries to make the point that it's been done before within the realms of Sensationalism / PR /Hoax / or whatever reason you wish to choose.
I personally do not think the following are unethical in context of the hoax, but my point is they could be perceived to be unethical to others.
- MJ posing as a burns victim? Couldn't that be seen as exploitation of the life events of poor Dave Dave?
- MJ posing in a wheelchair to gain sympathy or portray someone who is very unwell? Could be viewed as dishonest?
- MJ being interested in human remains of a physically deformed individual. Is it sick to want to relish in the deformed remains of a man who endured a lifetime of suffering?
- MJ hoaxing his death inciting perhaps a billion mourners. Say no more.
- MJ being OK with celebrities paying worldwide televised tribute and homage to him in death whilst he watches on laughing
- MJ coaching his children, at least two of them, to assist in the hoax, act in their role and even shove one of them in front of a microphone to cry on que to pull on the heartstrings of those watching on
- MJ perhaps (Again, I know this is controversial) setting up an incident that makes him appear to suffer from a severe burn accident that made his life spiral out of control
- MJ setting up a situation to appear as a physical altercation between Janet and Paris knowing MJ fans in the millions would come after Janet
- MJ deliberately posing as Christ for the majority of his career
- MJ baiting Bashit and saying 'The kindest thing you can do is share your bed with a child' knowing full well that would go down like a lead balloon!
Now let me clarify, NOT saying MJ did all these things (ie: Ppl have various opinions about Elephant Man for example, did he, or was that just a rumor?) But at a minimum may have allowed and enticed people to think such.
I guess my point that I am trying to make is that MJ has crossed boundaries that to some people (gen. pub.) might perceive as Morally / Ethically questionable. It's been done before. It's not about to change. In fact its about to get worse because ppl keep buying it and eating it up. MJ pushes the boundaries with everything, especially with what he clearly feeds to TMZ and in the past other media about himself. MJ pushes the boundaries with sex / looks / race / music / religion / business / PR / entertainment / hoax, the list could go on and on.
It is just food for thought.
Many of the people here who are up in arms saying it has to be real because it's not moral for the suicide story to be part of the hoax, have been OK with accepting other things that could be viewed as morally distasteful. Just sayin'
I'll be Grotesque before your eyes anyone? (Scary lyrics)
I don't claim to know the reason behind the story and I am def not saying 100% all entertainment. But looking at the story in light of the things mentioned, plus dozens more, can you even blame some here for thinking its false?
Entertainment. Yup. Each and every one of us is being entertained right this second. Even the ones who vilify the concept keep coming back here like the junkies that we are because we are hooked on this fantasy world of hoax. We are entertained to the max. Best show ever.
Just as ur tag say's Are you entertained? we are all being entertained. Being here shows we are being entertained. Just some people are not liking the entertainment. Just like when you watch a movie, and some scenes are too much for some people. Maybe it triggers fear in them, or its too close to home, or they think it is just plain distasteful or Morally incorrect, even though they aren't enjoying it, it doesn't change the fact they are still being entertained.
Oh and since when does Debbie Rowe go crying to the media about personal, private, family stuff? That should be the first clue that something isn't right.
Yes I laughed when I thought abt Latoya and Rowe in the room together. Puh-lease.
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Don't forget the stun gun incident, Paris posing in a bathing suit on Twitter, Katherine being kidnapped, MJ peeing in cups at parties, and gay lover Jason.
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Don't forget the stun gun incident, Paris posing in a bathing suit on Twitter, Katherine being kidnapped, MJ peeing in cups at parties, and gay lover Jason.
And the list goes on... One could be here all day adding to it, I am sure!
Meanwhile LOL at the peeing in cups.. Missed that one I think. :thjajaja121:
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Right now I feel ashamed for being within and associating the Hoax community that I have decided to disassociate as much as possible. .
I don't understand the extreme carelessness people are being here, Not one person knows this is actually a fake story, NO ONE here has any means to prove with substantial real evidence and yet I see many speaking about it like it's NOTHING. I’m glad everything in real life is entertainment for you lot who are without a doubt that it’s for entertainment or some other “meaningful” reason within the hoax.
For shame.
Are you so paranoid of being looked at as a fool for believing any "bad news" story of the Jacksons that you are prepared to trivialize every circumstance as a fake for the hoax? Why not go further and claim everything to do with Michael Jackson his entire life was a hoax, because there has been "bad news" both before June 2009 and after, the difference is, every single thing is being placed into this “bubble” of being a hoax. Are you so self centred to believe that the lives of the Jacksons is meant for YOUR entertainment considering majority of the population believe his dead, and many others do not visit this forum. Are you so self absorbed that to think its all based on the select few frequent people here?
I think you all who believe this is nothing, need a reality check and gain some respect for the Jackson family, they aren’t immune to life and it’s struggles, they don’t have their emotions all wrapped up safe and sound.
Have you thought about any of this public statements you are making on this forum? If Paris and I believe she did, attempt suicide and reads this thread, what do you think that young girl is going to think? Are you truly that selfish to not care and just keep believing it’s fake to serve your own purpose of keeping your beliefs going that his alive.
First of all, it doesn’t have to mean Michael Jackson is dead. It just means like many normal teenagers in this world, Paris is not coping so well with things and even the most loving parents can’t help and often do not see the signs. She could have a chemical balancing problem and that doesn’t mean Michael Jackson isn’t a loving father, or dead, or not helping her. It just means she has a condition that many teens and adults have.
Regardless to anything, I don’t care if this turns out to be in the hoax, I will not feel like a fool or feel shame for believing it because this is a very very serious thing, I will feel that my morals were still intact to take it serious enough to care about her well being.
I feel that a lot of people don’t want the fabric of the “hoax” to vanish, and if they believe for a moment this is real, then the hoax is over and will have to come to terms with Michael Jackson being dead. But like i said. Believing this is real, doesn’t make Michael Jackson dead, it just makes Paris a teenager with some problems that may not have anything to do with any situations going on at the moment.
it pains me to read these comments where you blow it off as nothing and yet you have absolutely no evidence to show that and yet will still blow it off. How is that REALLY caring about Paris? That doesn’t look like care at all, and maybe, just maybe you should think about another perspective. Is this a test to see who actually cares about his children? You all want to talk others and yourselves into reasons why it would be a hoax, from awareness of suicide to evening the score on the law suit i,e Wade but not one of you have wondered if this is a test to the hoaxers and the see if they really do care. After all you have taken zero seriously this whole time. Like i said before I believe this is all true, very real and My heart breaks for Paris and I send her lot’s of love. If this turns out to be apart of the hoax, well at least I know that no matter what, I take a matter of suicide seriously and do not blow it off.
Seriously, Think about your actions, think about what message you are each sending out there into the public eye to Paris and to other kids and adults who are thinking of suicide. This is a serious. Not fun and games or entertainment by any stretch of any imagination and if you think it’s entertainment then you truly need to look in the mirror and re-evaluate who you are and what colour your soul is.
This is definitely not a time for Pride regardless to how this turns out.
Sick of everything being a joke you most of you, You seem to pull out any, ANY way possible to explain away things and yet you call yourselves investigators. I see no investigations going on, just a lot of assumptions. This time, I won’t be coming back. I have washed my hands with this and how people take and handle the seriousness of the things that come up. Maybe too much time down the rabbit hole has addled the mind. I don’t know but there is a time for fun and there is a time for seriousness and this is one of those times.
Leilani, Leilani, Bless you for your post!!
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Aussie, your helpful list of unethical hoax elements reminded me of something I wanted to say but forgot. I need to carry around a pencil & notepad when away from the computer. lol
There have been some clues regarding Marilyn Manson & Trent Reznor, from both TMZ and twitter Front on the 6th. Now of course MJ’s style has been quite opposite his in music and dress, but if you read about some of the motivations MM had/has, you can see there is merit, and that MJ goes about shock value in a similar way but not in the medium of music and dress, but rather in this live ongoing hoax/drama. It’s all about creating reaction, rethinking outside the box. You said he pushes the envelope, and boy, your last point, I'm sorry but I laughed. I'm sure almost every person (of billions) who watched that scene must have thought, how could you be SOOO stupid to say that, MJ? Imagine the confidence of a man who is willing to look like an absolute imbicile and much worse scum of the earth, and is willing to play a story out over decades, intermingled with reality. I think there's a fine line between the two--reality and hoax, sometimes they're blended a little. You know we members of this forum have been stretched, until we see hoax behind everything, even perhaps some of the most painful times of MJ's life. I truly hope MJ forgives us when we say hoax when it's actually reality, but he can't really blame us, since he trained us personally himself. :icon_e_wink: How many times can he cry 'wolf'? If this is part of his art medium and it's a masterpiece, we can't get too bogged down in the details, but look back from a distance of time, and see the magnificent beauty and brilliance. It will change the world. I believe that with all my heart.
Check out the MM pics near the bottom, and that is what MJ is doing in art in another medium.
http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/06/marilyn-manson-paris-jackson-suicide-attempt-concert/
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but he can't really blame us, since he trained us personally himself.
Reminds me of V and his lies.
Evey Hammond: You're *sick*! You're *evil*!
V: *You* could've ended it, Evey, you could've given in. But you didn't. Why?
Evey Hammond: Leave me alone! I *hate* you!
V: That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But then something happened. It happened to me... just as it happened to you.
Evey Hammond: Shut up! I *don't* want to hear your lies!
V: Your own father said that artists use lies to tell the truth. Yes, I created a lie. But because you believed it, you found something true about yourself.
Check out the MM pics near the bottom, and that is what MJ is doing in art in another medium.
http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/06/marilyn-manson-paris-jackson-suicide-attempt-concert/
The pics you are referring to remind me of MJ in this particular order: 1) MJ Jesus pose, 2) MJ in Dangerous Gold G String Jumpsuit and 3) Give into me clip.
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Amen, MJonmind. He totally started it.
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Ok I feel like I have just been ushered out.
I have lost someone I truly loved to suicide.
And I will never forget the almost unbearable pain, the helplessness, the numbness.
I still feel disgusted and I feel saddened.
And most certainly I do not feel entertained.
I feel sad and yes I feel offended when I see so many of you taking this lightly, laughing about it and joking.
Maybe my personal history with suicide makes me vulnerable.
If this turns out to be staged then I will still stand by my conviction that it is morally questionable, even morally reprehensible.
And I will feel disappointed by Michael and I will still think it´s a bad bad choice and in bad taste.
Call me petty, blind, ignorant, faint-hearted, hypocritical, a "bad hoaxer", misled or whatever you want but I can´t help it.
So maybe this isn´t the right place for me to be.
I understand that opinion and perception are bound to be subjective.
And I realize that maybe there are some among you that have a similar personal history but still feel comfortable with this.
I can´t.
I am sorry. I don´t want to offend anyone. Just feel truly and utterly sad.
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When i saw yesterday the audio message from Murray it became weird to me......but i can't believe it is a hoax.....suicide attemt is so serious...
My feelings are going aroun and i think of Paris since i heard it.
Think to these 4 years that is a timeline in the hoax....Michael said 4 years...Murray got 4 years...
4 years ago Michael comes to the rehersals with the kids...first time without masks.....it was the first days of june.....i think the 5 th June, but i am not sure and now....the 5 th June Paris does this....
I am scared....
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Ok I feel like I have just been ushered out.
I have lost someone I truly loved to suicide.
And I will never forget the almost unbearable pain, the helplessness, the numbness.
I still feel disgusted and I feel saddened.
And most certainly I do not feel entertained.
I feel sad and yes I feel offended when I see so many of you taking this lightly, laughing about it and joking.
Maybe my personal history with suicide makes me vulnerable.
If this turns out to be staged then I still stand by my conviction that it is morally questionable, even morally reprehensible.
And I will feel disappointed by Michael and I will still think it´s a bad bad choice and in bad taste.
Call me petty, blind, ignorant, faint-hearted, hypocritical, a "bad hoaxer", misled or whatever you want but I can´t help it.
So maybe this isn´t the right place for me to be.
I understand that opinion and perception are bound to be subjective.
And I realize that maybe there are some among you that have a similar personal history but still feel comfortable with this.
I can´t.
I am sorry. I don´t want to offend anyone. Just feel truly and utterly sad.
I too have been touched by suicide and have worked with and around individuals with suicidal tendencies for most of my career as a social worker. Please do not think I am not saddened when I see individuals struggling with suicidal behaviors. I get what you are saying and appreciate that you feel sensitive to the story, it rattles your tree and you are identifying your own loss through this latest story about Paris. Nor does it make you a bad hoaxer. I am sorry that you feel saddened and sickened by some of the comments, presumably, mostly mine. I want to take this opportunity to say if some feel I am making light of the story, then its limited to the story itself, not the issue of suicide. I really resented Leilani saying I am making light of suicide, and sending a bad message to youths because that is not the case. Trust me, I have lost both clients and friends to suicide, I know how deeply it hurts and how significant the loss is to those left behind. I have felt the same pain you feel. In this situation it is the 'legitimacy' of the story that I am making light of in the 'context of the hoax', not the notion of suicide itself. I am thinking that this subject is one that several people on this forum should stay away from, especially minors or those who are clearly struggling to cope with how suicide has personally affected them. In fact I hope that those who are offended and hurt by comments or worried and sad for Paris use their better judgement and stop continuing to return here, as you are only going to continue to read things that may upset you. (Perhaps mods should lock this to over 18's - if there exists such a feature) My intention was not to upset anyone. Just state my POI. But I don't regret stating it. I am saddened for a few that they have been hurt. But I can't control how people feel.
Anyways Mary, you didn't offend me. Unlike others, I am ok with people having a different opinion. (Goodness me, some of the people I respect THE MOST here either don't believe God exists or think that MJ is Jesus! This is not the place to come if you get offended by what other people write or believe) Also I 'get' why ppl like yourself may be getting hurt - it's obviously too close to home. But you haven't offended me. Not in the slightest. In fact I feel the way you relayed your point of view was respectful and you explained why you are finding it hurtful and difficult to read in a kind and mild manner not resorting to insults, throwing shame or name calling - Leilani should really take a page from your book, because she could seriously learn to show a little grace like you have.
But yeah, I hope for their own sake, people who feel uncomfortable with this thread use their better judgement.
Most of all though, I am really sorry for your loss for whomever it was in your life that you lost to the tragedy of suicide.
Much Love x
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i agree with you Mary, with all due respect to members who are convinced it's all part of the hoax, because everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but the thought alone is troubling to me.
@ Mary and all members here who lost a friend(s) i feel your grief.
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I'm still bothered, that investigation has uncritical. Hoax investigators should be more critical imo. It doesen't differ if person is believer or non-believer if the critisism is missing -Michael wanted us to guestion everything we hear and read. I think we aredanger to fall in circular argument and see everything as a hoax if we don't pay attention to reasoning and critical thinking.
I think it's sad and stupid that we're arguing is this news true or false and calling opposite opinions in names -that's not the point. Point is revealing and finding out the truth that no one of us knows yet.
Peace. I don't believe anyone of here thinks Paris haves a dark soul. I believe everyone wishes the best for her. I also don't believe everything in this hoax is for entertainment, that's quite shallow thought.
Conred Murrays message was a bit bizarre, it got me thinking the whole Paris news in new light.
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Yes Tove, what you say is true. We do need to be critical, as per MJs instructions. Whichever you believe this story to be true or part of the hoax, the basis for your decision should be critical thinking, logic, looking into facts or historical similarities, not just emotion and how the story makes us 'feel' personally - weather that be sadness, fear, grief, etc.
From what I can see here the responses from some are based on emotions of fear or sadness stemming from a 'personal' perspective or experience, not necessarily the 'criticism' which you speak of. 'Criticism' which should be based on 'objectivity' not 'subjectivity'. Everyone's 'moral compass' is individual - subjective. DO WE KNOW whats in MJs heart? Do we know if Paris Suicide is 'inside' or 'outside' of his moral / ethical boundaries when it comes to the hoax? No. Therefore we can't say that "MJ wouldn't do this to Paris, or make light of Suicide". And we can't be subjective and assume to know 'what he feels' - Otherwise, the argument regarding DH that "MJ wouldn't do this to his fans" is also valid as it too is subjective. The only 'data' if you will, that we have to go by when reading this story is the historical trail of lies coming from Camp MJ as part of this hoax.
If from the start of the hoax, hoaxers made a decision on what to believe based on personal emotions, then they will not get too far in finding the truth. Typically, 'Deaders' don't believe in the hoax because they use this kind of emotive reasoning instead of looking at it objectively. For example "Michael wouldn't do this to his fans" reasoning over "Ok, lets go over the facts of timeline, or autopsy or whatever else there is that could be used to form your 'version' of the situation."
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Mary, I feel and share your sadness.
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The first shock is over and i ask some questions...
The media told that Paris called the suicide hotline and they send the ambulance......had Paris told them who she is and where she live ? Can they find the adress from a cell phone ?
The media told Paris was rushed to the West Hills Hospital.
http://westhillshospital.com/
I can't find a physician for psychiatrie there...who made the psychiatrie hold for 72 hours and as i know it's not so good when family members come to visit in these 72 hours...
This hospital has not the best references and i wonder why the family said that she get a appropriate help......i weird discription...why not the very best care ?
Only Murray said that he is there for her and will help and care.
Has anybody of the family said any emotion thing like that.....same thing liket after the " death "....no emotions !
I was heartbroken when someone in my house was so depressed and i don't see it.
There is rearly a pic from Paris in the hospital. ?... :Pulling_hair:
On Paris twitter accound she had red hair in the last days....from black to red....but she don't look like Paris as we know her and the media uses pics from her a few years ago....same with Michael.....no new pic at the Memorial and the Funeral.
It's all confusion and for me to much....no jokes with death, illness or suicide.
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but he can't really blame us, since he trained us personally himself.
Reminds me of V and his lies.
Evey Hammond: You're *sick*! You're *evil*!
V: *You* could've ended it, Evey, you could've given in. But you didn't. Why?
Evey Hammond: Leave me alone! I *hate* you!
V: That's it! See, at first I thought it was hate, too. Hate was all I knew, it built my world, it imprisoned me, taught me how to eat, how to drink, how to breathe. I thought I'd die with all my hate in my veins. But then something happened. It happened to me... just as it happened to you.
Evey Hammond: Shut up! I *don't* want to hear your lies!
V: Your own father said that artists use lies to tell the truth. Yes, I created a lie. But because you believed it, you found something true about yourself.
Check out the MM pics near the bottom, and that is what MJ is doing in art in another medium.
http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/06/marilyn-manson-paris-jackson-suicide-attempt-concert/
The pics you are referring to remind me of MJ in this particular order: 1) MJ Jesus pose, 2) MJ in Dangerous Gold G String Jumpsuit and 3) Give into me clip.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruEUCwVgHdk[/youtube]
Oh yes I remember like it was yesterday :'( ..........
Evey: You got to me? You did this to me... You cut my hair... You tortured me... You tortured me! Why?
V: You said you wanted to live without fear. I wish there'd been an easier way, but there wasn't. :icon_cry:
Evey: [whispers] Oh, my God!
V: I know you may never forgive me(really appropriate for some of us :() , but nor will you ever understand how hard it was for me to do what I did. Every day, I saw in myself everything you see in me now. Every day, I wanted to end it. But each time you refused to give in, I knew I couldn't.
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You know, we can all think what we want.
I totally don't mind that a 50 year old man decides about what his life needs to be and for exemple decides to fake his death for some reasons that are known by him. Being Mj or someone else, i don't give a shit, honestly.
Now you must keep in mind that not all life is HOAX and that appart from the hoax, this people have a REAL LIFE. Paris goes to school, she has a life, projects for her future. She's not only an actress of the hoax 100% of the time !
They have a family life, and in this family life, i don't really see a dad asking his daughter to fake a suicide, mixing her real life with such a lie.
Faking suicide is FAR FAR from posting strange pictures and tweets, and acting weird.
I'm sorry but i don't see Michael putting his daughter through such a lie.
Now i see that some media are already writting about AEG to be the reason for her attempt, because they try to crush the Jackson by prooving MJ is not the biological father of his children. I guess this REALLY happened and the Jackson are using it, because they are in the middle of a trial and of course they would use this and say AEG is responsible. If you have an ennemy you can blame, wouldn't you do it ?
And about Paris faking, well... the family said she did that before (hurting herself) but i don't remember i ever saw any post here saying you think Paris is not feeling well, and yet obviously she wasn't well.
Remember taj admittting he was molested by an uncle...would anyone dare tweet him : hey, nice lie, great entertainment, man !
Just please stop thinking the Jackson family is all safe and clear of any trouble. They are human and they don't need their pain to be denied.
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http://emob1146.photobucket.com/albums/o530/Killullinati/0A2EEFD3-6BA2-4C62-A38E-324F008B8919-168-0000000899DD991B_zps52b0a44b.jpg?t=1370602252
Hopefully this link will work. That pic floating around of PJ on the hospital IS NOT HER!
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http://emob1146.photobucket.com/albums/o530/Killullinati/0A2EEFD3-6BA2-4C62-A38E-324F008B8919-168-0000000899DD991B_zps52b0a44b.jpg?t=1370602252
Hopefully this link will work. That pic floating around of PJ on the hospital IS NOT HER!
idk who or why people would want see a pic anyways, like i mean privacy not respected now days...
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Whichever you believe this story to be true or part of the hoax, the basis for your decision should be critical thinking, logic, looking into facts or historical similarities, not just emotion and how the story makes us 'feel' personally - weather that be sadness, fear, grief, etc.
This is something we can both agree on!
I hope the logic and facts of this sad episode for Paris are seen as the truth soon, because please believe me when I say that I have really tried to understand where members who don't believe this story are coming from and I have read all posts many times. I understand why they may have come to their conclusions, but LOGIC and CRITICAL THINKING are not being executed as far as I can see.
I firmly do not believe that Michael would publicise a lie that could change his Daughters future and label her, (like the labels he had to carry through life), as part of a gain for himself.
I firmly believe this is overstepping any boundary of the hoax (for whatever reason there is one) and is against the strong moral stance he has on life and his love of all children.
I have also based my belief that this has happened to Paris on the factual research that has been available and I have made a short and by no means conclusive list of these.
Reputable news sources reported the news and followed up with statements (NOT INC TMZ)
A statement from her own Mother (who she has now bonded with and is spending time with)
A statement from the Jacksons themselves
A statement from the Estate
A statement from the 911 department (who declined to name the person they transported to Hospital)
Secondary research:
The Conrad Murray Phone Call to Paris
Prince cancelling his trip (important for his own career) at the weekend to be with Paris
100's of social media members (including big names in the industry) that have commented and left good wishes for Paris
Top Psychiatrists appearing on News channels reasoning with WHY this has happened
My own documentation/reviewing of the past 18 months of change in Paris and her life and considering her age/statistics of teenage suicide.
Now based on these FACTS coupled with the thought that Michael did everything he could to shield his children from being used as tools to get to him, coupled with his moral and spiritual stance on life, I came to the conclusion that this was in no way part of the hoax. It is just too serious of an issue to mess with and to be part of whatever people here want to label the hoax.
SUICIDE IS TOO SERIOUS OF A MATTER TO MESS WITH, reputations are on the line, Paris is a role model to many teenage girls, and no matter if you like it or not news stories influence minds, we wouldn't all be here 'HOAXING' otherwise.
This has been a divided and open discussion which has brought to the front some serious discussion points and feelings FROM EVERYONE and yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, right or wrong. What saddens me is that it seems some have lost all faith in TRUTH itself and are so closed down to believing a truth when it hits the headlines. This is not the first time I've seen it happen here and it really saddens me because it's when love is needed to be sent back to the world the most and we ourselves grow spiritually.
One of Michael's biggest messages was to give LOVE back to the ones that are suffering in the world, especially the children and why he donated so much time and money to helping those who were suffering..... SO WHY ON EARTH WOULD HE MAKE UP A SUICIDE STORY ABOUT HIS OWN DAUGHTER and RUIN HER REPUTATION?
With Love.
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Whichever you believe this story to be true or part of the hoax, the basis for your decision should be critical thinking, logic, looking into facts or historical similarities, not just emotion and how the story makes us 'feel' personally - weather that be sadness, fear, grief, etc.
This is something we can both agree on!
I hope the logic and facts of this sad episode for Paris are seen as the truth soon, because please believe me when I say that I have really tried to understand where members who don't believe this story are coming from and I have read all posts many times. I understand why they may have come to their conclusions, but LOGIC and CRITICAL THINKING are not being executed as far as I can see.
I firmly do not believe that Michael would publicise a lie that could change his Daughters future and label her, (like the labels he had to carry through life), as part of a gain for himself.
I firmly believe this is overstepping any boundary of the hoax (for whatever reason there is one) and is against the strong moral stance he has on life and his love of all children.
I have also based my belief that this has happened to Paris on the factual research that has been available and I have made a short and by no means conclusive list of these.
Reputable news sources reported the news and followed up with statements (NOT INC TMZ)
A statement from her own Mother (who she has now bonded with and is spending time with)
A statement from the Jacksons themselves
A statement from the Estate
A statement from the 911 department (who declined to name the person they transported to Hospital)
Secondary research:
The Conrad Murray Phone Call to Paris
Prince cancelling his trip (important for his own career) at the weekend to be with Paris
100's of social media members (including big names in the industry) that have commented and left good wishes for Paris
Top Psychiatrists appearing on News channels reasoning with WHY this has happened
My own documentation/reviewing of the past 18 months of change in Paris and her life and considering her age/statistics of teenage suicide.
Now based on these FACTS coupled with the thought that Michael did everything he could to shield his children from being used as tools to get to him, coupled with his moral and spiritual stance on life, I came to the conclusion that this was in no way part of the hoax. It is just too serious of an issue to mess with and to be part of whatever people here want to label the hoax.
SUICIDE IS TOO SERIOUS OF A MATTER TO MESS WITH, reputations are on the line, Paris is a role model to many teenage girls, and no matter if you like it or not news stories influence minds, we wouldn't all be here 'HOAXING' otherwise.
This has been a divided and open discussion which has brought to the front some serious discussion points and feelings FROM EVERYONE and yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, right or wrong. What saddens me is that it seems some have lost all faith in TRUTH itself and are so closed down to believing a truth when it hits the headlines. This is not the first time I've seen it happen here and it really saddens me because it's when love is needed to be sent back to the world the most and we ourselves grow spiritually.
One of Michael's biggest messages was to give LOVE back to the ones that are suffering in the world, especially the children and why he donated so much time and money to helping those who were suffering..... SO WHY ON EARTH WOULD HE MAKE UP A SUICIDE STORY ABOUT HIS OWN DAUGHTER and RUIN HER REPUTATION?
With Love.
I have to admit. I was beating hoax drum pretty hard yesterday. But the more I think (and maybe I just to need back away for things and stop thinking on impulse and emotion) that this suicide attempt is real.
The more I listen to Murray's audio, the more I think this is SIMPLY Michael telling Paris he is here for her. And that she may not be able to see him, but he's only a phone call away.
I ( at this point) still don't see how this fits the hoax. My first emotion was that is, if Murray released this audio it must be apart of this hoax.
I don't think Paris's suicide attempt (if real) means Michael is dead. One tragic even doesn't change what MJ has been working on, and the investigations into the hoax. It could be an isolated incident. Sometime real life just takes over.
I am 100% sure Michael is still alive, but this Paris thing is truly a roller coaster of emotions. I think, me personally I just need to wait for info to come out, and not be so impulsive.
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Sadly I think this is true, however I seriously question if her motives were less about a stupid concert and maybe about the trial (where she would be a star witness) and the four year anniversary of her dad's "death" coming up.Michael loved those kids and I know he would never let his children go through such drama and pain if he was still here....at this point I do not know what to believe. I will be praying for a speedy recovery for Paris. :(
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Whichever you believe this story to be true or part of the hoax, the basis for your decision should be critical thinking, logic, looking into facts or historical similarities, not just emotion and how the story makes us 'feel' personally - weather that be sadness, fear, grief, etc.
This is something we can both agree on!
I hope the logic and facts of this sad episode for Paris are seen as the truth soon, because please believe me when I say that I have really tried to understand where members who don't believe this story are coming from and I have read all posts many times. I understand why they may have come to their conclusions, but LOGIC and CRITICAL THINKING are not being executed as far as I can see.
I firmly do not believe that Michael would publicise a lie that could change his Daughters future and label her, (like the labels he had to carry through life), as part of a gain for himself.
I firmly believe this is overstepping any boundary of the hoax (for whatever reason there is one) and is against the strong moral stance he has on life and his love of all children.
I have also based my belief that this has happened to Paris on the factual research that has been available and I have made a short and by no means conclusive list of these.
Reputable news sources reported the news and followed up with statements (NOT INC TMZ)
A statement from her own Mother (who she has now bonded with and is spending time with)
A statement from the Jacksons themselves
A statement from the Estate
A statement from the 911 department (who declined to name the person they transported to Hospital)
Secondary research:
The Conrad Murray Phone Call to Paris
Prince cancelling his trip (important for his own career) at the weekend to be with Paris
100's of social media members (including big names in the industry) that have commented and left good wishes for Paris
Top Psychiatrists appearing on News channels reasoning with WHY this has happened
My own documentation/reviewing of the past 18 months of change in Paris and her life and considering her age/statistics of teenage suicide.
Now based on these FACTS coupled with the thought that Michael did everything he could to shield his children from being used as tools to get to him, coupled with his moral and spiritual stance on life, I came to the conclusion that this was in no way part of the hoax. It is just too serious of an issue to mess with and to be part of whatever people here want to label the hoax.
SUICIDE IS TOO SERIOUS OF A MATTER TO MESS WITH, reputations are on the line, Paris is a role model to many teenage girls, and no matter if you like it or not news stories influence minds, we wouldn't all be here 'HOAXING' otherwise.
This has been a divided and open discussion which has brought to the front some serious discussion points and feelings FROM EVERYONE and yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, right or wrong. What saddens me is that it seems some have lost all faith in TRUTH itself and are so closed down to believing a truth when it hits the headlines. This is not the first time I've seen it happen here and it really saddens me because it's when love is needed to be sent back to the world the most and we ourselves grow spiritually.
One of Michael's biggest messages was to give LOVE back to the ones that are suffering in the world, especially the children and why he donated so much time and money to helping those who were suffering..... SO WHY ON EARTH WOULD HE MAKE UP A SUICIDE STORY ABOUT HIS OWN DAUGHTER and RUIN HER REPUTATION?
With Love.
According to a person who knows him well ,the answer might be this:
He was an incredibly dynamic force and power that was not to be underestimated.
When he used it for something good, It was the best and when he used it for something bad, It was really, REALLY bad.
~LMP
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruEUCwVgHdk[/youtube]
Oh yes I remember like it was yesterday :'( ..........
Evey: You got to me? You did this to me... You cut my hair... You tortured me... You tortured me! Why?
V: You said you wanted to live without fear. I wish there'd been an easier way, but there wasn't. :icon_cry:
Evey: [whispers] Oh, my God!
V: I know you may never forgive me(really appropriate for some of us :() , but nor will you ever understand how hard it was for me to do what I did. Every day, I saw in myself everything you see in me now. Every day, I wanted to end it. But each time you refused to give in, I knew I couldn't.
I know what you mean about that scene! I cry every time! But something jumped out at me when I read this quote.....YOU CUT MY HAIR! We all noticed Paris' dramatic style change including her very short hair which may be an oblique reference to Evey.
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Sadly I think this is true, however I seriously question if her motives were less about a stupid concert and maybe about the trial (where she would be a star witness) and the four year anniversary of her dad's "death" coming up.Michael loved those kids and I know he would never let his children go through such drama and pain if he was still here....at this point I do not know what to believe. I will be praying for a speedy recovery for Paris. :(
I'm holing out a real slight hope that this is hoax related because I really don't to see Paris suffer like that. But I don't know what goes on in her day to day life (obviously) but between the cyber bullying (which I've seen some of the disgusting thing pple write to her) and maybe missing Michael, if he can be there full time, it could take a toll on her. Again, whatever other pressures and problems that go on in her private life that no one is privy too.
I'm just gonna try my hardest not to judge the situation and pray for her. I respect everyone's opinion, I'm just gonna try not to rush to judgement when new information is released.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruEUCwVgHdk[/youtube]
Oh yes I remember like it was yesterday :'( ..........
Evey: You got to me? You did this to me... You cut my hair... You tortured me... You tortured me! Why?
V: You said you wanted to live without fear. I wish there'd been an easier way, but there wasn't. :icon_cry:
Evey: [whispers] Oh, my God!
V: I know you may never forgive me(really appropriate for some of us :() , but nor will you ever understand how hard it was for me to do what I did. Every day, I saw in myself everything you see in me now. Every day, I wanted to end it. But each time you refused to give in, I knew I couldn't.
I know what you mean about that scene! I cry every time! But something jumped out at me when I read this quote.....YOU CUT MY HAIR! We all noticed Paris' dramatic style change including her very short hair which may be an oblique reference to Evey.
She was reportedly placed under a 5150 psychiatric hold for 72 hours — the same evaluation that Britney Spears went under in 2008 :ghsdf: :icon_albino: that allows for a qualified peace officer or clinician to involuntarily confine someone because it’s deemed they have a mental disorder that makes them a danger to themselves and/or others.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/06/paris-jackson-felt-betrayed-wade-robson-molestation-before-suicide-attempt/ (http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/06/paris-jackson-felt-betrayed-wade-robson-molestation-before-suicide-attempt/)
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MJLoyalFan - Thank you for at least being respectful in your opinion and understanding that others are allowed to have theirs. Kudos!
I get and respect the points you make, even though I don't agree. The one point of yours I'd like to highlight is:
Reputable news sources reported the news and followed up with statements (NOT INC TMZ)
A statement from her own Mother (who she has now bonded with and is spending time with)
A statement from the Jacksons themselves
A statement from the Estate
A statement from the 911 department (who declined to name the person they transported to Hospital)
My problem, that ALL of the "reputable" sources you point to above, also reported that MJ Died. As we know he is not, it demonstrates that the sources are not always "reputable" after all - Jmo.
Secondary research:
Prince cancelling his trip (important for his own career) at the weekend to be with Paris
This trip, is nothing compared to all of the Jackson's having to put their life on hold when doing their part to role out the hoax.
100's of social media members (including big names in the industry) that have commented and left good wishes for Paris
Millions said goodbye to Michael when he 'died'.
Top Psychiatrists appearing on News channels reasoning with WHY this has happened
Top Docs and Psychs have been commenting on MJs health / death but it doesn't make the 'Death' true.
My own documentation/reviewing of the past 18 months of change in Paris and her life and considering her age/statistics of teenage suicide.
Could be argued to be deliberate character building for this event.
I don't mean to be argumentative, I honestly don't. But you have to agree that "Logic and Critical Thinking" could be argued both "For" and "Against" each opinion. Each of your statements above could be counter debated.
I guess all there is to do is respect that others may not share the same opinion and agree to disagree.
Love n Peace :icon_e_wink:
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(Aussie, please check your PMs.)
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How does someone attempting suicide ruin their reputation??
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Hmmmmmmmmm................
I'd rather slit my wrists than hurt a child.......
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/27/1072308730330.html?from=storyrhs
Michael Jackson 'kept suicide note'
Michael Jackson kept a suicide note with him in his final months, it has been reported.
Friends of the King of Pop have claimed that he “often overdosed” and had been trying to kill himself for a decade. One said: “We’re surprised he even made it to 50”.
The Daily Star reported that insiders believe the financially struggling star “couldn’t face his problems” and wanted a way out.
He would keep the suicide note in his pocket and overdosed, they told the newspaper. “Michael always talked about dying young,” one said. “He wrote suicide notes then tore them up. He kept one with him – he often read it.
“He wanted everyone to know how sad he was." Another friend told the newspaper that Jackson had wanted to end his life ever since he was humiliated by child abuse claims in the 1990s.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/5832086/Michael-Jackson-kept-suicide-note.html
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Ok I feel like I have just been ushered out.
I have lost someone I truly loved to suicide.
And I will never forget the almost unbearable pain, the helplessness, the numbness.
I still feel disgusted and I feel saddened.
And most certainly I do not feel entertained.
I feel sad and yes I feel offended when I see so many of you taking this lightly, laughing about it and joking.
Maybe my personal history with suicide makes me vulnerable.
If this turns out to be staged then I will still stand by my conviction that it is morally questionable, even morally reprehensible.
And I will feel disappointed by Michael and I will still think it´s a bad bad choice and in bad taste.
Call me petty, blind, ignorant, faint-hearted, hypocritical, a "bad hoaxer", misled or whatever you want but I can´t help it.
So maybe this isn´t the right place for me to be.
I understand that opinion and perception are bound to be subjective.
And I realize that maybe there are some among you that have a similar personal history but still feel comfortable with this.
I can´t.
I am sorry. I don´t want to offend anyone. Just feel truly and utterly sad.
You know that I love you and I do really care about how you feel.
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MJLoyalFan - Thank you for at least being respectful in your opinion and understanding that others are allowed to have theirs. Kudos!
I get and respect the points you make, even though I don't agree. The one point of yours I'd like to highlight is:
Reputable news sources reported the news and followed up with statements (NOT INC TMZ)
A statement from her own Mother (who she has now bonded with and is spending time with)
A statement from the Jacksons themselves
A statement from the Estate
A statement from the 911 department (who declined to name the person they transported to Hospital)
My problem, that ALL of the "reputable" sources you point to above, also reported that MJ Died. As we know he is not, it demonstrates that the sources are not always "reputable" after all - Jmo.
NO ONE HERE KNOWS IF MICHAEL IS ALIVE, NOT ME, NOT YOU, NOR ANYONE ELSE WHO IS A 'HOAXER'. It could be a complete fabrication of the truth and in fact Michael really died that day. I don't say that lightly, its just that there's not one piece of absolute clear and solid evidence that would stand up in a court of law to say that he didn't die. Lets be honest with ourselves here. Which makes your argument that my research is not reputable seem full of hear say. Sorry to be picky, not personal at.
The point of the list of my research coupled with the points I made regarding the strength of the topic (attempted suicide), was to show that it was very unlikely to be a fabricated story and that this would go against everything we know about Michael's moral stance and that this was not based on my emotions but research, as you quite rightly say is paramount.
Just my opinion of course, but I also wonder what research etc. was done to come to the conclusion that this was a lie, other than BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE HOAX AND WE WILL KNOW IN TIME. Because these are not reasons. As I have said before, this would be the worse scenario to play in the hoax, destroying your Daughters future by labelling her like this.
With love.
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How does someone attempting suicide ruin their reputation??
This really has to be answered?
Think about it, this is no ordinary child, she has a reputation, she wanted to be an actress, she now has a label.......oh come on please,
use your intelligence and knowledge of what happened to Michael. Time and time again his reputation was tarnished.
There is still a massive stigma linked to mental health whoever you are or wherever you are in the world.
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How does someone attempting suicide ruin their reputation??
This really has to be answered?
Think about it, this is no ordinary child, she has a reputation, she wanted to be an actress, she now has a label.......oh come on please,
use your intelligence and knowledge of what happened to Michael. Time and time again his reputation was tarnished.
There is still a massive stigma linked to mental health whoever you are or wherever you are in the world.
Use my intelligence?
Ok I will.
IF this were real, and a suicide attempt is a black mark on a young person's reputation as you suggest, then why are the Jackson's and Debbie Rowe (who talks to no member of the press, pretty much EVER, except to tell them to shove it) eagerly confirming these reports to anyone and everyone who sticks a microphone in their face? Shouldn't they be saying 'no comment', not 'oh yes, it's true!'
This is like watching a TV show and getting wrapped up in believing the characters and their adventures are real.
This is much like watching Paris cry on stage at the memorial, then listening to Katherine Jackson say over n over that Paris can cry on cue and is an excellent actress, and not making any connection.
Side note: If I'm right and this is all fake, there's no risk to her reputation. On the contrary, it will boost her acting resume. Look at how she's got everyone going.
I don't think the Jackson kids ever took off their masks. The show's not over yet, we should keep watchin'.
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How does someone attempting suicide ruin their reputation??
This really has to be answered?
Think about it, this is no ordinary child, she has a reputation, she wanted to be an actress, she now has a label.......oh come on please,
use your intelligence and knowledge of what happened to Michael. Time and time again his reputation was tarnished.
There is still a massive stigma linked to mental health whoever you are or wherever you are in the world.
Use my intelligence?
Ok I will.
IF this were real, and a suicide attempt is a black mark on a young person's reputation as you suggest, then why are the Jackson's and Debbie Rowe (who talks to no member of the press, pretty much EVER, except to tell them to shove it) eagerly confirming these reports to anyone and everyone who sticks a microphone in their face? Shouldn't they be saying 'no comment', not 'oh yes, it's true!'
This is like watching a TV show and getting wrapped up in believing the characters and their adventures are real.
This is much like watching Paris cry on stage at the memorial, then listening to Katherine Jackson say over n over that Paris can cry on cue and is an excellent actress, and not making any connection.
Side note: If I'm right and this is all fake, there's no risk to her reputation. On the contrary, it will boost her acting resume. Look at how she's got everyone going.
I don't think the Jackson kids ever took off their masks. The show's not over yet, we should keep watchin'.
Thank You bec your "intelligence" Answered way better than i could express.
I agree with you in all of it , Ruin a Reputation ? of course no ! because if this is all fake like we think
then it's just boosting Paris's acting career , and when the hoax comes up and appears to be true it will be understood why Paris did all that and there will be no ruining in reputations , it will make her shine in her future career , and if this was real which i totally it's not because of that MC audio that he
sent to Paris , feels like Michael so much ,then that means that what Paris was going through is real and Michael is supporting her
from a distance which is a tough shot and I'm not sure of this story .. plus i was totally shocked when i saw Debbie commenting about it
she have never did , Nor the Jacksons or Tito and when they started talking about it and confirming it , it made things go worse and made her reputation go and be ruined right ? , So if it is true or not this whole story firmly has exotic stuff in it .. but i think we wouldn't really know what happened till the hoax covers are revealed to the world ...
So Much L.O.V.E. for Paris and Michael and all the hoax family for those great theories and the critical thinking
XO Rouxie. :bearhug:
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Maybe because they thought it was a valuable argument for the trial against AEG.
Who said someone care about Paris's possible ruined image, when we have 40 billions to bring on Jackson's side ???
I don't wish to be rude but hmmm it's not first time people would act with money in their mind.
WHO EXACTLY, informed the media of that ?
I trully believe it would have been NEVER EVER left to media's ears, if it was not something to be USED for some purpose.
Obviously the Jackson could have deny it, protect Paris from the media's rush... but everybody is now agreeing to talk about what she did and say it's true. I guess there is something good for them not to deny it.
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abc7courts made a point to mention that Paris' suicide attempt wasn't mentioned in court either Wednesday or yesterday. But I'm sure it was the "elephant in the room". No one mentions it but it must've been on everyone's mind.
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Talking about Tito I can tell you that he is a very good actor too, he made an interview some months after Michael's "death" here in Madrid (Antena3) and although he was sweating very badly (maybe due to he was lying about Michael being dead or the hat :icon_mrgreen:) however he did look very convincing about his brother "passing", btw I don't know if he came alone or accompanied by Michael because some people said they believe to have spotted him here during those days.
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I am very conflicted about this and it is a very sad, difficult and tragic situation to be talking about. The main reason for my conflict is after watching all 3 of michael's kids on video whenever they were at an interview, a ceremony or reading about them, it was easy to see how mature and kind-hearted Paris and Prince are. Specially after watching the make-up video of Paris, it is very contradictory to what's happened now. In the video, she seems very happy, she is adorable beyond belief, very smart, even at 15 an accomplished actress, very kind hearted who cares about other people's feelings and very honest. To go from that to the suicide attempt is difficult to understand. However, and this is my opinion, I believe the suicide attempt to be true since we have no way of knowing what really is going on in her day to day life, and what really is in her heart. She has too much on her plate that's for sure, and she's only 15.
I also believe that AEG is not in the hoax but the ones who are behind the Wade allegations. Their purpose is to distract fans' and the public's attention away from the trial and it has worked like a charm. We are not paying attention to the trial anymore, we think all of the emails covered during the trial are just so boring compared to what's going on outside the trial. However, these emails are showing the very evil and deceitful ways AEG has treated Michael, and they are very important in establishing a pattern that's ruthless and unethical.
AEG is playing very dirty here, and they want to discredit Michael's family including his children. They will do anything to make sure they don't lose this trial.....
It seems that Michael knew exactly what they were doing when he asked I believe it was Kenny Ortega "you don't want to kill the artist, do you" not the exact wording, but you get the picture.
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Isn't this EXACTLY what happened with michael, and speculation, confusion, chaos upon his supposed death?
lets observe the commonalities for a second...
1. Michael died, was IT real? conflicted feelings, ambiguity, would he really do that to his children etc etc
2. Reports are highly contradictory, confusing. Is it true that paris attempted suicide?
3...remember...michael was said to have had a HEART ATTACK when he supposedly passed away? Cardiac arrest?
aren't all suicides attacking the heart to some degree...you see how this all intertwines?
suicide DOES destroy the heart...physically and mentally/psychologically.
This is basically back to the talk of is michael dead or alive based on a variety of factors. How can we believe it? michael is dead. no he is alive.
I believe this is part of the hoax. and I can wholeheartedly ascertain this.
They are creating a cacophony of our heart strings.
I'm just saying. if you believe this situation is all real, then you might as well believe michael is dead too. because death is such a profoundly delicate subject, and normal person should be shamed for their attempt at even contemplating faking their own death because death is no light issue...
JUST LIKE TEENAGE SUICIDE
But you guys keep contesting that michael isn't your average human being...
and he amplifies the intensity of his productions...
I am in no way advocating for teenage suicide or condoning it in any matter...
but let me ask you this...
if Paris Jackson REALLY wanted to commit suicide...
it was going to happen. it's inevitable. these people are so torn on life that they have given up on HOPE all together.
Paris jackson is as vulnerable during any point in her life. She could have taken it years ago if she had the intent was desperately pleading for help.
so why all of a sudden (and in june!) she would attempt this?
why would she suddenly feel like...Oh....I'm going to do this now? she would have done it last year, the year before, if it really has taken a toll on her. the news woul dhave already covered this years ago if she had contemplated this.
no disrespect...no insensitivity...as a someone who has experience with thinking about (maybe not incredibly serious as some) suicide as a teenager as a result bullying, I can say this is a valid point.
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TMZ Article :
Paris Jackson
Judge Orders Investigation
Into Attempted Suicide
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Paris Jackson
Judge Orders Investigation
Into Attempted Suicide
The judge who made Katherine Jackson guardian for Paris Jackson has ordered an investigation into Paris' attempted suicide, to determine if her welfare has been compromised ... TMZ has learned.
Judge Mitchell Beckloff has asked an investigator in the probate court -- where the guardianship was established -- to "prepare a written report and include therein any recommendations relating to the minor child's health, education and welfare."
Judge Beckloff notes he was alerted to Paris' crisis by media reports. As you know, TMZ broke the story ... Paris is under psychiatric evaluation after cutting her arm with a meat cleaver and downing a number of Motrin, in what authorities call a suicide attempt.
It's an interesting development ... because the judge seems to be concerned about the supervision and guidance Paris is getting from the people responsible for her care.
Read More : http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/07/paris-jackson-judge-attempted-suicide-guardianship-katherine-jackson/
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Police Rush to Jackson Family Home Following News of a Reported Gunshot
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AKM-GSI Police rushed to the family home of Katherine Jackson and her grandchildren Paris, Prince Michael and Blanket after receiving a call that a gunshot was fired in the Calabasas residence yesterday, a source told E! News.
Once the cops arrived at the scene, they found that nothing had happened at The Oaks community mansion and they had been pranked. :WTF:
LAPD spokesperson Steve Whitmore confirmed that cops responded to a call, but wouldn't go into further detail.
Whitmore told E! News, "We went up to the house to check on something, but it was nothing. That house has had a lot of activity lately, so we sent a unit there."
Upon further request to clarify the gunshot reports, he added, "I know what you're trying to get at, but I'm telling you, nothing happened."
The Los Angeles County home has lately figured as the hub of the Jackson family drama.
E! News has learned that while Paris Jackson and her brothers live at the estate, their coguardian, T.J. Jackson, currently lives elsewhere and moved farther away awhile back. A separate source meanwhile told us that T.J. has been visiting the teens at the house two to three times a week.
New rumors are swirling that child-welfare services are investigating the Jackson children's living situation after her alleged attempted suicide Tuesday evening.
A rep for Department of Children and Family Services could not be reached for comment.
http://uk.eonline.com/news/427556/po...s&dlvrit=79438 (http://uk.eonline.com/news/427556/po...s&dlvrit=79438)
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How does someone attempting suicide ruin their reputation??
This really has to be answered?
Think about it, this is no ordinary child, she has a reputation, she wanted to be an actress, she now has a label.......oh come on please,
use your intelligence and knowledge of what happened to Michael. Time and time again his reputation was tarnished.
There is still a massive stigma linked to mental health whoever you are or wherever you are in the world.
Use my intelligence?
Ok I will.
IF this were real, and a suicide attempt is a black mark on a young person's reputation as you suggest, then why are the Jackson's and Debbie Rowe (who talks to no member of the press, pretty much EVER, except to tell them to shove it) eagerly confirming these reports to anyone and everyone who sticks a microphone in their face? Shouldn't they be saying 'no comment', not 'oh yes, it's true!'
This is like watching a TV show and getting wrapped up in believing the characters and their adventures are real.
This is much like watching Paris cry on stage at the memorial, then listening to Katherine Jackson say over n over that Paris can cry on cue and is an excellent actress, and not making any connection.
Side note: If I'm right and this is all fake, there's no risk to her reputation. On the contrary, it will boost her acting resume. Look at how she's got everyone going.
I don't think the Jackson kids ever took off their masks. The show's not over yet, we should keep watchin'.
:th_bravo: Totally agree bec !!!!
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The media have done a feast macabre with all this
EXCLUSIVE: Paris told friends she wanted to 'join dad' after rows with Janet Jackson
Her suicide attempt has shocked the world but those in Paris Jackson's inner circle claim they've been scared for her life since the start of the month.
TheFIX has exclusively learnt that the 15-year-old continuously told friends she wanted to "join dad" Michael Jackson, who died of an overdose in June 2009.
Our source claims Paris was unhappy after a series of rows with aunt Janet Jackson over her growing bond with real mum Debbie Rowe.
"She made some very worrying comments to friends about how she wanted to ‘join my dad’ and said she didn’t think this world was for her anymore," said the family friend. She had a blazing row with Janet just last week which resulted in Paris storming out in floods of tears and staying with a friend for a few nights."
"She’s been torn between wanting to be with her birth mother Debbie Rowe and the guilt her grandmother Katherine and aunts and uncles have been putting on her."
But the final blow came just a few days before suicide attempt when a boy she'd been briefly dating ended their romance abruptly.
After just two dates, the unnamed boy, who she met in her drama class, dumped her by text message then refused to answer her calls.
The source added, "And just days before her attempted suicide, she was cruelly dumped by a boy who she’d ‘loved’ for months.
“She was absolutely devastated and heartbroken by what happened and her confidence was at rock-bottom."
Those close to the youngsters, who posted this fun make-up tutorial just days before her suicide attempt, claim she's been in a "dark place" for a while.
She has also been the victim of bullying, both at school and on social networking, over abuse accusations against Michael.
“She has been dealing with cruel bullies at school and acting class who have been tormenting her about the latest abuse accusations against Michael and was deeply depressed," the source adds.
"She hates school and hardly has any friends which has been extremely tough for her."
TheFIX can also reveal plans for the teen to spend next 30-days in a rehabilitation centre in North California, aimed at helping troubled teenagers.
“She now needs some intense therapy and some time away from everything so she can get herself better without any stress or trauma and be in a calm environment away from it all," says the source. "Everyone is praying that the rehab centre will help her get back on track.
“People forget she’s just 15 years old and has been through an incredible amount of turmoil and upheaval. She needs stability and some time-out from all the factors which are contributing to her deep depression.”
http://celebrities.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx?blogentryid=1120592&showcomments=true
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IMO, if this was real suicide, whether MJ would have photographed there.
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"Join Dad". How nice.
Well they upped the ante. If this is real then MJ is dead.
And I know MJ aint dead.
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A picture is worth a thousand words. I do not believe everything I read, but there were pictures of Paris with Debbie at different locations, so we know that they did spend time together recently. There is also the video of Janet trying to take Paris's phone from her in front of the Calabasas house, and when you add the two together, you get........ so now Janet doesn't want Paris to spend time with her mother???
"Our source claims Paris was unhappy after a series of rows with aunt Janet Jackson over her growing bond with real mum Debbie Rowe."
Debbie is Paris's mother for God's sake, what right does Janet have to do this?
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What right do any of us have to pass judgement on it either way? This is ridiculously personal stuff that's getting broadcasted publicly about this child and this family. This stuff is no one's business.
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A picture is worth a thousand words. I do not believe everything I read, but there were pictures of Paris with Debbie at different locations, so we know that they did spend time together recently. There is also the video of Janet trying to take Paris's phone from her in front of the Calabasas house, and when you add the two together, you get........ so now Janet doesn't want Paris to spend time with her mother???
"Our source claims Paris was unhappy after a series of rows with aunt Janet Jackson over her growing bond with real mum Debbie Rowe."
Debbie is Paris's mother for God's sake, what right does Janet have to do this?
no, of course not, but I think that Paris was down, I read out there who accuses Prince Paris of traitor, it is said that Paris is also a victim of bullying at his school ....
It says a lot and I think little, just have to keep watching
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wonder how little blanket is fairing in all of this .
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"Join Dad". How nice.
Well they upped the ante. If this is real then MJ is dead.
And I know MJ aint dead.
Wasn't Paris supposed to be the KEY way back when this all began? And now she wants to 'JOIN DAD!!!' If she ever needed him, she needs him now, I suppose.
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Paula-c quoted:
She has also been the victim of bullying, both at school and on social networking, over abuse accusations against Michael.
“She has been dealing with cruel bullies at school and acting class who have been tormenting her about the latest abuse accusations against Michael and was deeply depressed," the source adds.
"She hates school and hardly has any friends which has been extremely tough for her."
So glad you brought this in!
Hmmmmmmmmm................
I'd rather slit my wrists than hurt a child.......
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/27/1072308730330.html?from=storyrhs
Michael Jackson 'kept suicide note'
Michael Jackson kept a suicide note with him in his final months, it has been reported.
Friends of the King of Pop have claimed that he “often overdosed” and had been trying to kill himself for a decade. One said: “We’re surprised he even made it to 50”.
The Daily Star reported that insiders believe the financially struggling star “couldn’t face his problems” and wanted a way out.
He would keep the suicide note in his pocket and overdosed, they told the newspaper. “Michael always talked about dying young,” one said. “He wrote suicide notes then tore them up. He kept one with him – he often read it.
“He wanted everyone to know how sad he was." Another friend told the newspaper that Jackson had wanted to end his life ever since he was humiliated by child abuse claims in the 1990s.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/5832086/Michael-Jackson-kept-suicide-note.html
Oh the cruelty and stupidity of the masses of mankind. Much as the stupid crowds cried 2000 years ago to crucify Jesus.
This is a tragedy being played out before our eyes. As I've said before, as the Elephant man was treated like an animal, and cried out that he was human.
I'm telling you, MJ is touching on the MOST deeply personal and sensitive issues in our world--
namely, the worth of a human being, and each person's right to be loved and blessed, appreciated and honored, protected from injury and cruelty, not judged unfairly, innocent until proven guilty, given opportunities to grow physically and mentally in unique ways to their interests and needs, and more. (see his Oxford speech)
There truly is an elephant in the room, and it is what MJ said, "We're putting love back into the world to remind the world that love is important.".
Gwynned, was it you bringing in Evey? Yes, good parallel. Good art cuts like a knife to the painful truth.
MJ is putting on not only The Greatest Show on Earth, but doing it for the love of art, and people (boys & girls) "of all ages and races/cultures around the world".
Mary, I really feel for you in your painful loss. I have been touched by suicide/depression issues in my family, as have so many. For that matter the issue of child molestation and its effects is close to my family story, as it is for so many. Real issues--real tragedies for likely the majority of people.
I trust MJ in what he is doing, in as far as I have gotten to know about him these 4 years (that he has revealed), so I continue to love and support him.
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........Gwynned, was it you bringing in Evey? Yes, good parallel. Good art cuts like a knife to the painful truth.
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- Why not?This is the BTN.Our job is to report the news, not fabricate it.
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I wonder if this attempted suicide is a way to cut the AEG trial short. I was wondering how the AEG trial would end, if it would continue till the end or somehow be stopped because of MJ's early return. But this suicide attempt is the perfect excuse to stop the trial. Or maybe it is the perfect way to keep the trial going. With all the Wade revelations happening and it being allegedly used to put a stop to the AEG trial maybe MJ did this as a counter to keep the trial going. If Paris is so distraught and on the verge of breaking, the court and the public might see it as another reason why AEG deserves to stand trial. I think it only makes it worse for AEG. Maybe Wade's 'confession' was there to stop the trial but maybe what has happened to Paris might throw the wind in a completely different direction and throw everything into confusion.
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Could this also be bringing awareness to how music/lyrics effect teens? Marilyn Manson doesn't exactly encourage life/love like Michael does.
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Could this also be bringing awareness to how music/lyrics effect teens? Marilyn Manson doesn't exactly encourage life/love like Michael does.
Excellent point! The changes in Paris reflect the changes that affect teens across the country and as we watch her change from an open hearted confident child to a child in such despair she would contemplate ending her own life. As an aside, I need to make it clear I don't think we know the real Paris and everything we see is a fiction with a purpose. As a parent, I have witnessed these kinds of changes in my own children as well as most of my friends' kids. The story of Paris is a cautionary tale for us all.
As to your point about music, there's been a bit written lately about how much of the revolutionary music of the 60's may have been part of a concerted effort by the military or CIA to derail the revolutionary spirit of the civil rights movement. (If interested, check this out. http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html A long read by fascinating!)
In more modern times, we all know how hip hop was derailed and the biting political that characterized it disappeared and we also have Ke$ha singing about how 'We wanna die young.' It's difficult not to conclude after doing just a bit of research that the music industry is being used as a form of mind control aimed at teens for rather nefarious purposes. When I first read the comment by Marilyn Manson I thought it was perhaps a nice thing to say and that I had been previously too judgmental about Manson, but now that you say that, it feels more like 'Welcome to my nightmare.' There is that curious connection between him and Aleister Crowley. http://www.nachtkabarett.com/theOccult/AleisterCrowley.
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NO ONE HERE KNOWS IF MICHAEL IS ALIVE, NOT ME, NOT YOU, NOR ANYONE ELSE WHO IS A 'HOAXER'. It could be a complete fabrication of the truth and in fact Michael really died that day. I don't say that lightly, its just that there's not one piece of absolute clear and solid evidence that would stand up in a court of law to say that he didn't die.
Sorry completely disagree
Peace.
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Could this also be bringing awareness to how music/lyrics effect teens? Marilyn Manson doesn't exactly encourage life/love like Michael does.
Excellent point! The changes in Paris reflect the changes that affect teens across the country and as we watch her change from an open hearted confident child to a child in such despair she would contemplate ending her own life.
Jmo, but in my exp of working with youths, it's more the "upbringing / family / home environment / early childhood trauma / or lack of opportunity to communicate" that affects kids which usually plays out in rebellion or attention seeking behaviour when they hit teen years, its typically not music and movies. Admittedly the music and movies often get the blame, but the cause has more do more with the parents. Parents find it difficult to accept this. Much easier to blame Marilyn Manson and such. Less guilt.
Also part of the changes are natural part of teenage development. Exploring who you are, what you like, your identity, where you fit etc etc.
Again jmo, but I don't think Paris has acted different to any other teen. Admittedly I don't think we are seeing the real Paris.
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Debbie Rowe - Debbie Rowe wants to help Paris Jackson
08 June 2013
http://www.contactmusic.com/news/debbie-rowe-wants-to-help-paris-jackson_3709116
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Could this also be bringing awareness to how music/lyrics effect teens? Marilyn Manson doesn't exactly encourage life/love like Michael does.
Excellent point! The changes in Paris reflect the changes that affect teens across the country and as we watch her change from an open hearted confident child to a child in such despair she would contemplate ending her own life.
Jmo, but in my exp of working with youths, it's more the "upbringing / family / home environment / early childhood trauma / or lack of opportunity to communicate" that affects kids which usually plays out in rebellion or attention seeking behaviour when they hit teen years, its typically not music and movies. Admittedly the music and movies often get the blame, but the cause has more do more with the parents. Parents find it difficult to accept this. Much easier to blame Marilyn Manson and such. Less guilt.
Also part of the changes are natural part of teenage development. Exploring who you are, what you like, your identity, where you fit etc etc.
Again jmo, but I don't think Paris has acted different to any other teen. Admittedly I don't think we are seeing the real Paris.
Sorry to disagree, though of course, parental influence is critical, none of us lives in a vacuum and teens are particularly vulnerable to peer pressure and the pressures of society in general, which is why they are targeted by the PTB. The most dedicated parent is not in full control of their children and it's not helpful to blame the parent when things go wrong. Not to mention the difficult pressures on parents who are of necessity both working, etc.
Perhaps blame is an incorrect word. Influence would be better. And what insecure teen is not susceptible to being influenced?
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Re: Debbie R "The source continued: ''She will take custody if Paris wants to come and live with her ... The rest of the family is looking to Debbie to take the lead; she has extensive experience in psychology.''
Wait, what? Has this always been known that Debbie Rowe is experienced in psychology? This is all sounding very fishy.
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Gwynned, not blame. Influenced :icon_e_wink:
Agree with ur comments on targeted pressure / TPTB @ teens. Adults are targeted too.
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Paris Jackson's suicide attempt causes judge to order state-of-mind report
After her suicide attempt, reports of family discord surface over possible movie role, massive fights with brother Prince Michael over birth mom Debbie Rowe.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/paris-jackson-testifying-michael-jackson-trial-attempted-suicide-article-1.1366167
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Re: Debbie R "The source continued: ''She will take custody if Paris wants to come and live with her ... The rest of the family is looking to Debbie to take the lead; she has extensive experience in psychology.''
Wait, what? Has this always been known that Debbie Rowe is experienced in psychology? This is all sounding very fishy.
It could be that Debbie being a nurse has a degree in psychology.
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Paris Jackson "smiling again" after suicide bid as family visit her in hospital
http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/paris-jackson-suicide-attempt-teen-1939195
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Fake fake fake all fake. It's all fake. Every little bit of "news" we get is fake. All of it.
Ever notice no one really gives a crap about the trial that's going on? The real news stories are going on outside the courtroom. Wade's accusations, now Paris tries to kill herself (come on); the clowns are outside of court this time. That's why it's not televised. Because that's not the show. THIS is. The staged and the spin offs and the accidental perfect coincidences, all part of this massive entertainment project MJ launched in 2009.
There's always something going on with the Jackson family, isn't there? Periodically, in the news, over something or other, drip drip drip.
And this emotional turmoil the community is going through is part of the experience for the audience. All of it. The drama, the concern, the worry, the outrage, the hand wringing, the humor too... and our interaction; the comradery, the arguments, the whole online community thing, deaders n hoaxers oh my.
If Paris really had a problem no one would hear about it. What we are shown is an alternative Jackson family reality; the Hollywood version. The staged version.
That's what I think.
I tend to think this too. It's only a movie.
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NO ONE HERE KNOWS IF MICHAEL IS ALIVE, NOT ME, NOT YOU, NOR ANYONE ELSE WHO IS A 'HOAXER'. It could be a complete fabrication of the truth and in fact Michael really died that day. I don't say that lightly, its just that there's not one piece of absolute clear and solid evidence that would stand up in a court of law to say that he didn't die.
Sorry completely disagree
Peace.
There in itself lays the problem.
There is no conclusive evidence Michael Jackson is alive. There is plenty of evidence that says he is dead.
Every clue that’s been found is just perception based. It is dependent upon how you see something rather than it being a realistic clue.
How many Professional doctors? Coroners? Police? EMT’s? Lawyers? Judges are here?
How many of these professions have voiced their experience in these fields and pointing out the clues and confirming that these clues proves his alive?
Unless you want to tell me that every doctor, nurse, coroner, judge, detective, EMT and lawyers through out the whole world is in on this hoax?
It’s rather egotistical to think that you all can do a better job than all the professionals in the world. What a world we must live in if the professionals can not see the truth like the average, inexperienced in these field can see.
So his alive, get digging with the all the Doctors usernames and quotes on the internet that has stated the same as you have all done, prove it to me, Prove it to the non believers and prove it to yourselves.
This is what real investigation is about, getting the opinions from real professionals in the field of expertise on each of the “clues”
where are the lawyers that back up the claim on the will?
Where is the coroners backing up your clues on the autopsy picture? Where are they for the death certificate?
Where is the birth certificate that shows Michael Jacksons middle name?
WHERE?! Speculations is all you have. NOTHING more. Hard evidence.
I can’t comprehend how people who haven’t gone through university to practise law, any of the medical fields or criminal medical field can sit there smirking thinking they know better than anyone else.
The reason no one has come and given their expert opinion that give weight too the “clues” is because they are working from facts, from practise, and Fans are working from perception.
No wonder Non-believers think Believers are crazy, what’s happened to Paris and how you have all reacted about it, has shown me just what Non-believers see when they interact with a Believer. it has opened my eyes and now I’m questioning the hoax itself. There is no line that’s tangible between reality and fantasy, it’s like fantasy has taken over and reality was left behind a long time ago and I know, I know you’re going to say that’s what Michael wanted, you see, that is the beauty of the world you’ve created, it’s all explained away easily by saying that this is how Michael wanted it, a “movie” to take us where we have never been. blah blah blah, you pass it all off as intended fantasy, acting and how ever else that will take you away from truth.
Why haven’t anyone here gone to their own doctors and asked them questions, showing them pictures?
Why haven’t anyone gone to a lawyer and asked about the legality of the will and if Joe can be used rather than Joesph?
Why is everyone so stuck on the whole Joe name when no one has eye balled his Birth Certificate?
I think no one has done any REAL investigating is because in their hearts they are afraid of what they might find, what the professionals will tell them, if you don’t ask, you can keep living the fantasy you’ve created.
You speak of words lying, you speak of family playing along, but you take their words when it works to your favour. You take latoya’s word over his mothers about his name, but you won’t take LaToya's words concerning Paris. You take Fronts words when you can use it to your advantage, You ignore them when they are not to your advantage and the world you’ve created.
All that you have is selective perception, you see only what you want to see.
Explain to me, how you’re different to those who say Michael Jackson is a child molester? Their perception is selective also, because they hate him, they see what they want to see in the media and in the transcripts about his guilt they ignore the whole picture.
You are taking what you want also, and ignoring the rest like it doesn’t exist. Words pop out and you form sentences and then fill in the blanks to how you would like it to go.
I do not expect you to suddenly realize any of this and agree with me, I do hope though that people will question it further and look more deeper than what has been looked at, because everything has been discussed and looked at a shallow level through internet searches, through comparing, why not look at other cases, not selective cases but just any case and I know already that the ones you do not like, you will dismiss and just point out the ones that fit in to your world/fantasy, Because Selective perception will prevent you from actually looking at it from a realistic view, and that infallible structure you have built about everything being an act, will keep you snuggled up inside your fantasy away from the harsh truths.
What I see is, people who are too scared to look at it in a whole picture, they are afraid their fantasy will crash to the ground, because they do not want to believe his dead and are so scared that they turn and run the other way just in case.... your minds have taken you to a place where you don’t have to face that possibility and be forced to accept it, No one can evict you from that place because you change the rules as you go along, it’s infallible because you can argue everything as acting. These “investigations” are emotionally charged and not being seen through an unbiased view. These “hoax glasses” are really symbolic shields against any possibility of him being dead, they allow you to go into a world of your choosing as a collective like those virtual games that use the head gear/glasses. When ever there is an article that you do not like, when a lot of people are speechless, the “hoax glasses” come on and then all these “connections” start happening at rapid speed, people are convincing one another than it’s fake. If everything was so obvious the world would see it without needing to wear these “hoax glasses” the mere fact that someone here claim that the information is there, very clearly and its the none believers fault if they aren’t looking... then in another thread someone says to put on “3d hoax glasses” it is actually conflicting against each statement. I also noticed that the “Hoax Glasses” have become “3D” to me that suggests that there is symbolically now 3 shields' in place where reality can not touch the fantasy/virtual world you’ve all created. If this isn’t true, then I challenge everyone to step back to day one and into each article and start listing all the evidence to suggest he died, instead of looking for hope of him being alive, go into it like a non believer, argue against your own theory. Then Debunk the list. Go to professionals, compare it to other cases, MANY other cases, FACE his DEATH then come back to the Alive theory. When you have debunked it PROPERLY, you will not fear seeing some things as real and others as hoax related, you won’t have to worry about opening a door and being spooked by a “truth” because I believe each one of you do deep down believe his dead but are unwilling to face that possibility and so to protect yourselves you just declare everything fake too scared to venture out into the real world fearing you will face your worst fear, that you won’t ever be able to walk back into the safety of the virtual world you have created.
But reality is this.
Michael Jackson was/is a genius but he didn’t have control of the government departments to make a hoax, he can’t control everyone, including the media, if he could control the media then he would have done so a long time ago in the 80’s or even in 2003. He can’t control everything. He is one person, and he certainly could not do it just for a movie.
Besides that, The clues are not conclusive because if there would be a lot of information from lawyers, police, detectives, judges, prosecutors, Doctors, coroners, EMT’s blogging about it, or they would be here telling you just what is wrong with how he looks in the autopsy, how the trial was wrong, where the investigations were inadequate and what ever alleged “clue”
You’re clinging on with dear life to a person you do not know if he is alive or dead, You have formed a relationship with him in your minds, where he is interacting with you, laughing with you, winking at you. You’re positioned yourself beside him, laughing with him at how people are falling for stories in the news, too afraid to step off and join the people who is inside the hoax, You do not want to go into the roller coaster and experience it because you don’t want to be seen as a fool. You each also have some kind of expectation that Michael Jackson will reward you for doing what you’re doing but most of you have said michael is bringing the world an adventure, to escape to, if you believe that, why are you standing to the side of it? Why aren’t you inside this alleged “fake” world, experiencing it? why are you not inside “enjoying the adventure” you
re basically sneak peaking at the presents before the day you’re suppose to open them so when the day comes you already know what you’ve got.
If it is true that this is all an adventure, then it’s safe to say that everyone including myself are actually doing what Michael Jackson wanted. Experiencing it like we’re suppose to, by believing it. While you’re like the boring people who stand to the side who won’t dive in and have fun with everyone else, and allow the emotions to take over kind of like the spoil sports.
Just my opinion obviously. *shrugs*
I still believe Attempted suicide no matter who it is, no matter what you wish to think about it should not be taken lightly without proof that it's fake. SOLID tangible proof, No one can demand you think that its real, but it's inappropriate for people to be clapping and congratulating on acting until the appropriate time to which is when it's been clearly stated by Paris or her family that it was this and it deeply hurts Paris to the point of some deep emotional trauma you won't able to take it back, it will be too late. Why would you mess with something so serious when all you have is your speculation/perception only to back you up? If it's an art form, then it would be known, Marilyn Manson doing it is much different because when you enter his concert, you know it's a show, when you hear the lyrics you know it's a song, you know it's not reality. This is different because it's not on a stage, it's not in a movie, it's not in lyrics. It's in the media. Of course the media tells lies but they also report the truth, They don't ignore the truth and tell packs of lies, they report BOTH truth and lies. Just because the family are speaking about this, it doesn't make it apart of the show. They could be 1) reassuring the fans who are worried 2) Using it to their advantage depending on what you receive of the rest of the news. AND concerning the ignoring of AEG trial. Only one place is ignoring the court case and that could be for several reasons. TMZ and AEG are connected and they have been warned NOT to cover it. Or it's not apart of the hoax so it's not to be reported on, or they can't go into the trial as there is only a certain amount of media allowed. There is many reasons so trying to suggest that everything outside of the law suit is fake is a bit presumptuous and has absolutely no foundation to it!
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NO ONE HERE KNOWS IF MICHAEL IS ALIVE, NOT ME, NOT YOU, NOR ANYONE ELSE WHO IS A 'HOAXER'. It could be a complete fabrication of the truth and in fact Michael really died that day. I don't say that lightly, its just that there's not one piece of absolute clear and solid evidence that would stand up in a court of law to say that he didn't die.
Sorry completely disagree
Peace.
There in itself lays the problem.
There is no conclusive evidence Michael Jackson is alive. There is plenty of evidence that says he is dead.
Every clue that’s been found is just perception based. It is dependent upon how you see something rather than it being a realistic clue.
How many Professional doctors? Coroners? Police? EMT’s? Lawyers? Judges are here?
How many of these professions have voiced their experience in these fields and pointing out the clues and confirming that these clues proves his alive?
Unless you want to tell me that every doctor, nurse, coroner, judge, detective, EMT and lawyers through out the whole world is in on this hoax?
It’s rather egotistical to think that you all can do a better job than all the professionals in the world. What a world we must live in if the professionals can not see the truth like the average, inexperienced in these field can see.
So his alive, get digging with the all the Doctors usernames and quotes on the internet that has stated the same as you have all done, prove it to me, Prove it to the non believers and prove it to yourselves.
This is what real investigation is about, getting the opinions from real professionals in the field of expertise on each of the “clues”
where are the lawyers that back up the claim on the will?
Where is the coroners backing up your clues on the autopsy picture? Where are they for the death certificate?
Where is the birth certificate that shows Michael Jacksons middle name?
WHERE?! Speculations is all you have. NOTHING more. Hard evidence.
I can’t comprehend how people who haven’t gone through university to practise law, any of the medical fields or criminal medical field can sit there smirking thinking they know better than anyone else.
The reason no one has come and given their expert opinion that give weight too the “clues” is because they are working from facts, from practise, and Fans are working from perception.
No wonder Non-believers think Believers are crazy, what’s happened to Paris and how you have all reacted about it, has shown me just what Non-believers see when they interact with a Believer. it has opened my eyes and now I’m questioning the hoax itself. There is no line that’s tangible between reality and fantasy, it’s like fantasy has taken over and reality was left behind a long time ago and I know, I know you’re going to say that’s what Michael wanted, you see, that is the beauty of the world you’ve created, it’s all explained away easily by saying that this is how Michael wanted it, a “movie” to take us where we have never been. blah blah blah, you pass it all off as intended fantasy, acting and how ever else that will take you away from truth.
Why haven’t anyone here gone to their own doctors and asked them questions, showing them pictures?
Why haven’t anyone gone to a lawyer and asked about the legality of the will and if Joe can be used rather than Joesph?
Why is everyone so stuck on the whole Joe name when no one has eye balled his Birth Certificate?
I think no one has done any REAL investigating is because in their hearts they are afraid of what they might find, what the professionals will tell them, if you don’t ask, you can keep living the fantasy you’ve created.
You speak of words lying, you speak of family playing along, but you take their words when it works to your favour. You take latoya’s word over his mothers about his name, but you won’t take LaToya's words concerning Paris. You take Fronts words when you can use it to your advantage, You ignore them when they are not to your advantage and the world you’ve created.
All that you have is selective perception, you see only what you want to see.
Explain to me, how you’re different to those who say Michael Jackson is a child molester? Their perception is selective also, because they hate him, they see what they want to see in the media and in the transcripts about his guilt they ignore the whole picture.
You are taking what you want also, and ignoring the rest like it doesn’t exist. Words pop out and you form sentences and then fill in the blanks to how you would like it to go.
I do not expect you to suddenly realize any of this and agree with me, I do hope though that people will question it further and look more deeper than what has been looked at, because everything has been discussed and looked at a shallow level through internet searches, through comparing, why not look at other cases, not selective cases but just any case and I know already that the ones you do not like, you will dismiss and just point out the ones that fit in to your world/fantasy, Because Selective perception will prevent you from actually looking at it from a realistic view, and that infallible structure you have built about everything being an act, will keep you snuggled up inside your fantasy away from the harsh truths.
What I see is, people who are too scared to look at it in a whole picture, they are afraid their fantasy will crash to the ground, because they do not want to believe his dead and are so scared that they turn and run the other way just in case.... your minds have taken you to a place where you don’t have to face that possibility and be forced to accept it, No one can evict you from that place because you change the rules as you go along, it’s infallible because you can argue everything as acting. These “investigations” are emotionally charged and not being seen through an unbiased view. These “hoax glasses” are really symbolic shields against any possibility of him being dead, they allow you to go into a world of your choosing as a collective like those virtual games that use the head gear/glasses. When ever there is an article that you do not like, when a lot of people are speechless, the “hoax glasses” come on and then all these “connections” start happening at rapid speed, people are convincing one another than it’s fake. If everything was so obvious the world would see it without needing to wear these “hoax glasses” the mere fact that someone here claim that the information is there, very clearly and its the none believers fault if they aren’t looking... then in another thread someone says to put on “3d hoax glasses” it is actually conflicting against each statement. I also noticed that the “Hoax Glasses” have become “3D” to me that suggests that there is symbolically now 3 shields' in place where reality can not touch the fantasy/virtual world you’ve all created. If this isn’t true, then I challenge everyone to step back to day one and into each article and start listing all the evidence to suggest he died, instead of looking for hope of him being alive, go into it like a non believer, argue against your own theory. Then Debunk the list. Go to professionals, compare it to other cases, MANY other cases, FACE his DEATH then come back to the Alive theory. When you have debunked it PROPERLY, you will not fear seeing some things as real and others as hoax related, you won’t have to worry about opening a door and being spooked by a “truth” because I believe each one of you do deep down believe his dead but are unwilling to face that possibility and so to protect yourselves you just declare everything fake too scared to venture out into the real world fearing you will face your worst fear, that you won’t ever be able to walk back into the safety of the virtual world you have created.
But reality is this.
Michael Jackson was/is a genius but he didn’t have control of the government departments to make a hoax, he can’t control everyone, including the media, if he could control the media then he would have done so a long time ago in the 80’s or even in 2003. He can’t control everything. He is one person, and he certainly could not do it just for a movie.
Besides that, The clues are not conclusive because if there would be a lot of information from lawyers, police, detectives, judges, prosecutors, Doctors, coroners, EMT’s blogging about it, or they would be here telling you just what is wrong with how he looks in the autopsy, how the trial was wrong, where the investigations were inadequate and what ever alleged “clue”
You’re clinging on with dear life to a person you do not know if he is alive or dead, You have formed a relationship with him in your minds, where he is interacting with you, laughing with you, winking at you. You’re positioned yourself beside him, laughing with him at how people are falling for stories in the news, too afraid to step off and join the people who is inside the hoax, You do not want to go into the roller coaster and experience it because you don’t want to be seen as a fool. You each also have some kind of expectation that Michael Jackson will reward you for doing what you’re doing but most of you have said michael is bringing the world an adventure, to escape to, if you believe that, why are you standing to the side of it? Why aren’t you inside this alleged “fake” world, experiencing it? why are you not inside “enjoying the adventure” you
re basically sneak peaking at the presents before the day you’re suppose to open them so when the day comes you already know what you’ve got.
If it is true that this is all an adventure, then it’s safe to say that everyone including myself are actually doing what Michael Jackson wanted. Experiencing it like we’re suppose to, by believing it. While you’re like the boring people who stand to the side who won’t dive in and have fun with everyone else, and allow the emotions to take over kind of like the spoil sports.
Just my opinion obviously. *shrugs*
I still believe Attempted suicide no matter who it is, no matter what you wish to think about it should not be taken lightly without proof that it's fake. SOLID tangible proof, No one can demand you think that its real, but it's inappropriate for people to be clapping and congratulating on acting until the appropriate time to which is when it's been clearly stated by Paris or her family that it was this and it deeply hurts Paris to the point of some deep emotional trauma you won't able to take it back, it will be too late. Why would you mess with something so serious when all you have is your speculation/perception only to back you up? If it's an art form, then it would be known, Marilyn Manson doing it is much different because when you enter his concert, you know it's a show, when you hear the lyrics you know it's a song, you know it's not reality. This is different because it's not on a stage, it's not in a movie, it's not in lyrics. It's in the media. Of course the media tells lies but they also report the truth, They don't ignore the truth and tell packs of lies, they report BOTH truth and lies. Just because the family are speaking about this, it doesn't make it apart of the show. They could be 1) reassuring the fans who are worried 2) Using it to their advantage depending on what you receive of the rest of the news. AND concerning the ignoring of AEG trial. Only one place is ignoring the court case and that could be for several reasons. TMZ and AEG are connected and they have been warned NOT to cover it. Or it's not apart of the hoax so it's not to be reported on, or they can't go into the trial as there is only a certain amount of media allowed. There is many reasons so trying to suggest that everything outside of the law suit is fake is a bit presumptuous and has absolutely no foundation to it!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTssF_NYusQ[/youtube]
PEace !!!!!
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Edit FYI, I'm sorry if the pic looks gigantic, I am posting from my iPhone not computer.
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o530/Killullinati/1025E09A-0046-4832-9BA2-73635D7943AE-760-0000004EA98C25F2_zps85255d2c.jpg)
Maybe I'm just reaching with this one. But I do find this pic kinda coincidental/ironic that this pic of Paris wearing the orange wig that was taken so early in the hoax (I quite frankly may've still been a non believer at the time) to now what she looks like today (I'm assuming where WAY closer to the finish line than the beginning.)
Foreshadowing or simply coincidental idk, I just wanted to share. Thx.
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@leilani81
Great post leilani81. Lately, unfortunately, I feel a lot like you. Worse, I sometimes feel that this 'hoax' is being set up with sinister reasons and not by Michael, but by individuals and/or companies who will use this 'hoax' to their advance. They are building it up and, in the near future, they are going to use Michaels image/'comeback' for reasons I don't totally understand right now. With the family/Michael much in the news lately, but also a new Cirque du Soleil show coming up which is called 'One' (and that's not the only show with the 'theme' One l noticed) and this all after 'four years'. Could it be the clever editing of 'This is It' by Sony that keeps us hooked for these 'four years', but all for the wrong reasons? Could we explain the symbolism in, for example, the closing ceremony of the Olympic games, as the coming of the New World, in which they let play 'Michael' THE main part to convince that it is all 'good'? There are many people that believe Michael might be alive, how big will his impact be once he is 'Back'. Will people then will be deceived by an 'image'? I'm really confused...
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PEace !!!!!
Applehead250609....you've captured my thoughts exactly! :icon_lol:
Love, Peace & Blessings to you Paris Jackson no matter what the situation is! (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug005.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
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Great post leilani, i don't blame you for the way you feel. Everyone has been there and will be too, even i'll be. But as far as my case is concerned, the reason I'm here is not because Michael's death hoax fits my fantasy or anything. I don't even have a fantasy. All I want is justice for a guy who has been tortured for years with untrue claims and hate. I believed that Michael through this death hoax would be able to renovate his image along withy various other objectives he is planning to target like entertainment for fans, an eye-opener and revealing the governement etc.
The reason I'm here is Justice for Michael. That's it.
I don't like it at all when it is said that we are trying to escape reality by believing in some fiction. This hoax is not a fiction but it looks like one. And that's the magic. But I have never forgotten the different parallel theories that have come up.
It is, to be honest, unfair to say that we are trying to avoid the deliberate. But let me tell you one thing, believing requires lot guts. Courage. And it requires even more courage to come back from believing to non-believing. I don't know how things are gonna end up but I'm not going to give up on this whole episode just by saying that people in this forum are not doing real time investigating. BTW, This is Michael's hoax. It is edutainment for us 'believers' because we get to see how this hoax is unfolding along with the different aspects of the world we have never read about before. This is the real meaning of 'places you've never been before'. I don;t think it;s our job to go to every darn hospital to detect things out. I'm neither a cop nor a detective. I'm gonna have to do my work sincerely.
I don't know who's doing this, but i've learned a lot from this whole hoax thing and i'm sure no one will disagree.
Michael is crazy. yes, very much crazy. because he's not like 'normal', 'ordinary' human beings. Have you ever checked out the irony in the portrayal of 'NORMAL VALLEY' in the short film 'Ghosts'. This pretty much explains how Michael was so done with people blabbering shit around him saying he's freak, bizarre and all. And in that context how can you expect this hoax to be 'normal'. This hoax is supposed to be a mindfuck. I mean it! He's a very special induvidual who has been thrown rocks at and now he's out to do something much more superior than that. mind games.
This is not just a game, it's much more in the format of a game and I do have patience to follow it till it's all over. There's a meaning why 'this is it' movie started with 'for the fans...'
If you had ever done the field work that you are taking about, then you have a right to blame every member here. But if you are fed up of this hoax because it is not matching upto your principles and everything you've been taught, then please brace yourselves, because this hoax is gonna get much freakier than that.
I have, not even for one second, forgot that anything worse could be possible but that doesn't mean I'm not going to seek for truth. I don't really care about what people have to say or think because by this time I'm on my own with this hoax. People who are aware that this hoax is a rollercoaster ride and that it requires a lot of patience and courage can get with it.
Any which ways, you gotto keep watching.
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I think I know now who sent Aussie all that hate mail this week.
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This is what I'm having trouble understanding - why is it that some would "rather" have Paris trying to kill herself than this being part of the hoax? Why discount a very likely possibility? I realize it could be argued the other way around but Paris has been a major player in the hoax ever since 7/7/09. The hoax is not a fantasy, it is there for us to stretch out our hands and take it up.
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It's the same as many would rather MJ be actually dead then this be a hoax.
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Ya I was thinking the exact same thing. There have been so many parallels and ironies these past almost 4 years.
But I do get, to a certain extent, the varied and passionate reactions here, considering the subject matter.
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the point is whatever's been happening for the past 4 years is enough to understand that there is a death hoax. But when people can't seem to come to terms with some of these hoaxy situations or when their beliefs are challenged, they say they're ashamed of this hoax community and that we are living in a dream etc, etc, etc.
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Please guys who were not sure about Michael's faked death it's better not to read on here anymore or in case you wanna keep on reading please don't be disrespectful to any of this forum members, we are all entitled to believe or investigate whatever we want to what doesn't make us worst or unhearted persons, remember this forum is all for L.O.V.E and we are here to be able to reach the truth.
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PEace !!!!!
Applehead250609....you've captured my thoughts exactly! :icon_lol:
Love, Peace & Blessings to you Paris Jackson no matter what the situation is! (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug005.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gBDt8WClCBI/TM2zty1KpFI/AAAAAAAAAPM/8C6cZkPy5mg/s1600/charlie+and+snoopy+hugging.jpg) :bearhug:
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This is what I'm having trouble understanding - why is it that some would "rather" have Paris trying to kill herself than this being part of the hoax? Why discount a very likely possibility? I realize it could be argued the other way around but Paris has been a major player in the hoax ever since 7/7/09. The hoax is not a fantasy, it is there for us to stretch out our hands and take it up.
Why? Because the "scenario" child-suicide-hoax feels wrong on so many levels. Emotionally, morally.
I know that others, who feel the same way, might make the choice to remain silent or just stay away and that´s ok.
I, personally, decided to speak my mind openly after my first impulse to leave. Regardless of the response that I might get.
Because I feel that, since I got involved with the hoax and this forum, commented in the past, expressed my thoughts on so many different subjects, I should do this now as well, even though my thoughts differ from the general notion.
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This is what I'm having trouble understanding - why is it that some would "rather" have Paris trying to kill herself than this being part of the hoax? Why discount a very likely possibility? I realize it could be argued the other way around but Paris has been a major player in the hoax ever since 7/7/09. The hoax is not a fantasy, it is there for us to stretch out our hands and take it up.
Why? Because the "scenario" child-suicide-hoax feels wrong on so many levels. Emotionally, morally.
I know that others, who feel the same way, might make the choice to remain silent or just stay away and that´s ok.
I, personally, decided to speak my mind openly after my first impulse to leave. Regardless of the response that I might get.
Because I feel that, since I got involved with the hoax and this forum, commented in the past, expressed my thoughts on so many different subjects, I should do this now as well, even though my thoughts differ from the general notion.
Mary, in that case, Michael faking his death is also wrong, morally and emotionally.
it's all about choices and knowing what's more important.
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It is indeed the old protest (to the death hoax) becoming new again.
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This is what I'm having trouble understanding - why is it that some would "rather" have Paris trying to kill herself than this being part of the hoax? Why discount a very likely possibility? I realize it could be argued the other way around but Paris has been a major player in the hoax ever since 7/7/09. The hoax is not a fantasy, it is there for us to stretch out our hands and take it up.
Why? Because the "scenario" child-suicide-hoax feels wrong on so many levels. Emotionally, morally.
I know that others, who feel the same way, might make the choice to remain silent or just stay away and that´s ok.
I, personally, decided to speak my mind openly after my first impulse to leave. Regardless of the response that I might get.
Because I feel that, since I got involved with the hoax and this forum, commented in the past, expressed my thoughts on so many different subjects, I should do this now as well, even though my thoughts differ from the general notion.
Mary, in that case, Michael faking his death is also wrong, morally and emotionally.
it's all about choices and knowing what's more important.
It´s different for me because a child is involved.
That´s all.
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exactly, when we know that Michael is faking his death for something very important, and his daughter is seriuosly involved in the project, why not fake a suicide. It's acting...
There has to be a meaning why Michael would let Paris act a suicide, why are some people forgetting that Michael is a very reasonable and logical person? there's a meaning behind everything.
@MaryK : That Child is helping Michael in his death hoax. that's a fact.
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This is what I'm having trouble understanding - why is it that some would "rather" have Paris trying to kill herself than this being part of the hoax? Why discount a very likely possibility? I realize it could be argued the other way around but Paris has been a major player in the hoax ever since 7/7/09. The hoax is not a fantasy, it is there for us to stretch out our hands and take it up.
Why? Because the "scenario" child-suicide-hoax feels wrong on so many levels. Emotionally, morally.
I know that others, who feel the same way, might make the choice to remain silent or just stay away and that´s ok.
I, personally, decided to speak my mind openly after my first impulse to leave. Regardless of the response that I might get.
Because I feel that, since I got involved with the hoax and this forum, commented in the past, expressed my thoughts on so many different subjects, I should do this now as well, even though my thoughts differ from the general notion.
Like Thriller said, the same could be said for the hoax itself. Faith in MJ must remain, no matter how badly it may be shaken. I respect your feelings, it's a very sensitive topic for sure. But it's legitimacy must be questioned (suicide attempt), after all that we've endured and learned.
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This is what I'm having trouble understanding - why is it that some would "rather" have Paris trying to kill herself than this being part of the hoax? Why discount a very likely possibility? I realize it could be argued the other way around but Paris has been a major player in the hoax ever since 7/7/09. The hoax is not a fantasy, it is there for us to stretch out our hands and take it up.
Why? Because the "scenario" child-suicide-hoax feels wrong on so many levels. Emotionally, morally.
I know that others, who feel the same way, might make the choice to remain silent or just stay away and that´s ok.
I, personally, decided to speak my mind openly after my first impulse to leave. Regardless of the response that I might get.
Because I feel that, since I got involved with the hoax and this forum, commented in the past, expressed my thoughts on so many different subjects, I should do this now as well, even though my thoughts differ from the general notion.
Like Thriller said, the same could be said for the hoax itself. Faith in MJ must remain, no matter how badly it may be shaken. I respect your feelings, it's a very sensitive topic for sure. But it's legitimacy must be questioned (suicide attempt), after all that we've endured and learned.
I said what I had to say and I won´t argue.
Because there is nothing to argue about.
For now I must keep watching from the side table.
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This is what I'm having trouble understanding - why is it that some would "rather" have Paris trying to kill herself than this being part of the hoax? Why discount a very likely possibility? I realize it could be argued the other way around but Paris has been a major player in the hoax ever since 7/7/09. The hoax is not a fantasy, it is there for us to stretch out our hands and take it up.
Why? Because the "scenario" child-suicide-hoax feels wrong on so many levels. Emotionally, morally.
I know that others, who feel the same way, might make the choice to remain silent or just stay away and that´s ok.
I, personally, decided to speak my mind openly after my first impulse to leave. Regardless of the response that I might get.
Because I feel that, since I got involved with the hoax and this forum, commented in the past, expressed my thoughts on so many different subjects, I should do this now as well, even though my thoughts differ from the general notion.
Mary, in that case, Michael faking his death is also wrong, morally and emotionally.
it's all about choices and knowing what's more important.
In the end if Paris' suicide bid is not clarified, is not used for good sake or to deter other teens from suicide attempt then I will be disappointed meanwhile I'll keep on watching because I think our master hasn't finished his masterpiece yet, I can't imagine that Michael wanted to blacken her daughter's name by faking a suicide attempt just for his hoax sake, this being said I think what Michael wants is just to educate parents about their children' suicide attempts which are increasing at an alarming rate every year.
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Am I the only person who thinks that the current Paris is not the real one? And, I don't think this Paris is faking her woes. Sometimes these "doubles" are unstable and they have a difficult time of it...
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I feel like TS/_comments prepared us for this very event with the DWD theory exercise/debate session.
No one was allowed to use emotional reasons at that time to back up their argument. Or at least it was highly discouraged and negated as evidence. It was tough, but a good mental work out.
Not that it matters or means anything. Just an interesting thought.
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This is what I'm having trouble understanding - why is it that some would "rather" have Paris trying to kill herself than this being part of the hoax? Why discount a very likely possibility? I realize it could be argued the other way around but Paris has been a major player in the hoax ever since 7/7/09. The hoax is not a fantasy, it is there for us to stretch out our hands and take it up.
Why? Because the "scenario" child-suicide-hoax feels wrong on so many levels. Emotionally, morally.
I know that others, who feel the same way, might make the choice to remain silent or just stay away and that´s ok.
I, personally, decided to speak my mind openly after my first impulse to leave. Regardless of the response that I might get.
Because I feel that, since I got involved with the hoax and this forum, commented in the past, expressed my thoughts on so many different subjects, I should do this now as well, even though my thoughts differ from the general notion.
Mary, in that case, Michael faking his death is also wrong, morally and emotionally.
it's all about choices and knowing what's more important.
In the end if Paris' suicide bid is not clarified, is not used for good sake or to deter other teens from suicide attempt then I will be disappointed meanwhile I'll keep on watching because I think our master hasn't finished his masterpiece yet, I can't imagine that Michael wanted to blacken her daughter's name by faking a suicide attempt just for his hoax sake, this being said I think what Michael wants is just to educate parents about their children' suicide attempts which are increasing at an alarming rate every year.
I am sure that every episode of this hoax is for a purpose. But I don't really feel this one is to educate about teen suicide, because I don't feel anything has happened to 'teach' us something. Anyways, there is more to the story. Michael might well be highlighting the prominence of interacting with children and understanding them.
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I feel like TS/_comments prepared us for this very event with the DWD theory exercise/debate session.
No one was allowed to use emotional reasons at that time to back up their argument. Or at least it was highly discouraged and negated as evidence. It was tough, but a good mental work out.
Not that it matters or means anything. Just an interesting thought.
might be. i still do feel paris suicide attempt was hinting dwd
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Am I the only person who thinks that the current Paris is not the real one? And, I don't think this Paris is faking her woes. Sometimes these "doubles" are unstable and they have a difficult time of it...
Soldier thanks for saying that, I said long ago that Paris (in this case I think she is real Paris and no look alike is being used) was using wigs for hoax purpose, remember that footage where Paris was trying all those wigs on in the shop I think with that gesture she was warning us for what it was to come, I never believed in that radical change and of course that make-up tutorial vid was the icing on the cake.
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I feel like TS/_comments prepared us for this very event with the DWD theory exercise/debate session.
No one was allowed to use emotional reasons at that time to back up their argument. Or at least it was highly discouraged and negated as evidence. It was tough, but a good mental work out.
Not that it matters or means anything. Just an interesting thought.
might be. i still do feel paris suicide attempt was hinting dwd
I still believe that a DWD patient was used in the infamous stretcher.
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This is what I'm having trouble understanding - why is it that some would "rather" have Paris trying to kill herself than this being part of the hoax? Why discount a very likely possibility? I realize it could be argued the other way around but Paris has been a major player in the hoax ever since 7/7/09. The hoax is not a fantasy, it is there for us to stretch out our hands and take it up.
Why? Because the "scenario" child-suicide-hoax feels wrong on so many levels. Emotionally, morally.
I know that others, who feel the same way, might make the choice to remain silent or just stay away and that´s ok.
I, personally, decided to speak my mind openly after my first impulse to leave. Regardless of the response that I might get.
Because I feel that, since I got involved with the hoax and this forum, commented in the past, expressed my thoughts on so many different subjects, I should do this now as well, even though my thoughts differ from the general notion.
Mary, in that case, Michael faking his death is also wrong, morally and emotionally.
it's all about choices and knowing what's more important.
In the end if Paris' suicide bid is not clarified, is not used for good sake or to deter other teens from suicide attempt then I will be disappointed meanwhile I'll keep on watching because I think our master hasn't finished his masterpiece yet, I can't imagine that Michael wanted to blacken her daughter's name by faking a suicide attempt just for his hoax sake, this being said I think what Michael wants is just to educate parents about their children' suicide attempts which are increasing at an alarming rate every year.
I am sure that every episode of this hoax is for a purpose. But I don't really feel this one is to educate about teen suicide, because I don't feel anything has happened to 'teach' us something. Anyways, there is more to the story. Michael might well be highlighting the prominence of interacting with children and understanding them.
Well you are saying the same by using different words: educate parents = Michael might well be highlighting the prominence of interacting with children and understanding them = there is a need for the parents to interact with their children = sometimes parents should get the same level to their children to get to know what their real woes are to remedy them a.s.a.p.
I am sure that after this shocking news about the best known entertainer daughter trying to kill herself, parents from now onward are gonna be very aware of what their children are doing and THAT should be the positive message from Michael about all this mess.
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This is what I'm having trouble understanding - why is it that some would "rather" have Paris trying to kill herself than this being part of the hoax? Why discount a very likely possibility? I realize it could be argued the other way around but Paris has been a major player in the hoax ever since 7/7/09. The hoax is not a fantasy, it is there for us to stretch out our hands and take it up.
Why? Because the "scenario" child-suicide-hoax feels wrong on so many levels. Emotionally, morally.
I know that others, who feel the same way, might make the choice to remain silent or just stay away and that´s ok.
I, personally, decided to speak my mind openly after my first impulse to leave. Regardless of the response that I might get.
Because I feel that, since I got involved with the hoax and this forum, commented in the past, expressed my thoughts on so many different subjects, I should do this now as well, even though my thoughts differ from the general notion.
Mary, in that case, Michael faking his death is also wrong, morally and emotionally.
it's all about choices and knowing what's more important.
In the end if Paris' suicide bid is not clarified, is not used for good sake or to deter other teens from suicide attempt then I will be disappointed meanwhile I'll keep on watching because I think our master hasn't finished his masterpiece yet, I can't imagine that Michael wanted to blacken her daughter's name by faking a suicide attempt just for his hoax sake, this being said I think what Michael wants is just to educate parents about their children' suicide attempts which are increasing at an alarming rate every year.
I've been reading the comments and giving it some time, but I still don't see hoax clues or see the possibility of MJ and Paris creating this to educate. I know this forum is about questioning everything... but I still agree with Mary. I'm 100% sure this really happened, not a hoax.
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Mary, in that case, Michael faking his death is also wrong, morally and emotionally.
it's all about choices and knowing what's more important.
Agreed. Michael asked if we would be there through his 'violence.' Perhaps he was asking will we be there for him when he does things and uses methods that seem questionable and incomprehensible, perhaps even 'violent.'
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IF Paris's suicide attempt is part of the hoax, then I believe the reason for it is all about the trial and it is a way of getting back at AEG for playing dirty and bringing up Wade and the bogus molestation allegations. Michael has to play by their rules and his hoax/strategy has to be better, even bigger and more outrageous than AEG's in order for the fans and the public to show sympathy for Kathryn, Michael's children and their case against AEG.
I am still watching and reading to see how this is going to develop, as for right now, I find this whole situation very sad and tragic.
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I am still watching and reading to see how this is going to develop, as for right now, I find this whole situation very sad and tragic.
I feel the same way.
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Please guys who were not sure about Michael's faked death it's better not to read on here anymore or in case you wanna keep on reading please don't be disrespectful to any of this forum members, we are all entitled to believe or investigate whatever we want to what doesn't make us worst or unhearted persons, remember this forum is all for L.O.V.E and we are here to be able to reach the truth.
Agree sweet: since I realized that Michael was alive a few days after June 25, 2009 I never had any doubt about. This great adventure is not easy to live , but I believe in Michaell and in everything he is doing. Never get tired to follow him and wait for him.
With L.O.V.E.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2338361/Paris-Jackson-tells-family-doesnt-want-die-shes-rushed-hospital.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
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I think the fact that you have no doubt about it to be fake is rather SCARY
This is MICHAEL JACKSON'S hoax, not PARIS. Paris is an independant human being, with a brain and a heart.
By saying "it's all part of the hoax" you just deny the fact that she can act by herself, upon feelings that belong to her. She would only be a "MJ's hoax tool" in everything she does.
I'm sorry but your way to consider people scares me. Paris is a young girl, not only her dad's daughter. Although she's been helping her dad with the hoax, you must let her be free to have a life too, including issues that goes with teenage. And that doesn't mean i want this to be true. Just i consider she's not her dad and so this event might be part of Paris' life, but not part of MJ's hoax.
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Paris Jackson Moves to Children's Hospital After Suicide Attempt, Has Been Bonding With Family
The scary situation also served as a wake-up call for Paris. "I don't think Paris will ever do this again. It scared the crap out of her," the source adds.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/exclusive-paris-jackson-moves-to-childrens-hospital-after-suicide-attempt-201386?
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I think the fact that you have no doubt about it to be fake is rather SCARY
This is MICHAEL JACKSON'S hoax, not PARIS. Paris is an independant human being, with a brain and a heart.
By saying "it's all part of the hoax" you just deny the fact that she can act by herself, upon feelings that belong to her. She would only be a "MJ's hoax tool" in everything she does.
I'm sorry but your way to consider people scares me. Paris is a young girl, not only her dad's daughter. Although she's been helping her dad with the hoax, you must let her be free to have a life too, including issues that goes with teenage. And that doesn't mean i want this to be true. Just i consider she's not her dad and so this event might be part of Paris' life, but not part of MJ's hoax.
I definitely agree that Paris is her own person. IF this is part of the hoax, I really don't think Paris was forced into anything.
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I won't ask my daughter to act suicidal. Period.
In my opinion it isn't something a father can ask of his child. EVEN if I had allready faked my own death.
Why? Well:
- I don't care if I *kill* (lol) my own reputation. But to *kill* my child her reputation isn't going to happen.
Even for my deathhoax. And even if my hoax will last just a couple of weeks / months or years from now.
- And yes, by the time I came back to this world and I can tell the people in this world that my daughter, * just* faked it all...
And we show the world she's an great actress, I still won't ask her to do this.
Just because, the time between her *act* and me coming back and explain it all, is to long for any child.
In that time, she will have no normal life anymore.
I, as a father of two little girls, will NEVER -not even for one day- ask my child to murder their life.
Just for fun/game/ or whatever the reason of this hoax might be.
And still, although I beginning to have my doubts about this story, can't see MJ asking this of Paris.
And if indeed this turned out to be really a part of our hoax,.... then -at least- I made my point clear that I - personally- don't like this action.
Think about all the people who did (consider) suicide. It's not something you can joke around with.
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It's just a story dropped in the news. It's not like she went on stage and "acted out" anything. Personally, I think people are getting way too wrapped up in Paris's life and doing's and have been for quite some time now. Not to mention passing judgement on MJ's parenting. Isn't that what the haters do? Just saying.
To all who think it's real, how do you rectify the report that she stated that she wanted to "join Dad"?
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I personally don't believe this is part of the hoax. But if I'm wrong -- that's ok. I'll be the first to admit it.
I'm typically terrible at explaining myself, so I hope you guys understand.
I see people asking what makes this different than Michael faking his death? Well it's hard to understand why Michael would ask his young daughter to pretend to attempt suicide if it wasn't absolutely necessary. And I can't think of any reasons it would be critical to the hoax. So asking her to do something so outrageous, if it wasn't mandatory, would seem to be in bad taste.
It is one thing to fake your own death, but (to some people) it's a completely different thing to ask a child to do something so serious. Especially if it wasn't necessary.
Also, with Michael we have many concrete clues to prove our viewpoint. That he is alive. With Paris' situation, we don't have those clues. For all we know, it could be real. What if it is? Then it seems like we're insensitive. Saying she's an amazing actress, when she might've actually tried to kill herself. She's had cuts on her wrists for a while -- fans noticed before the media. I don't know.
I hope you don't view my post as disrespectful or argumentative. I'm just speaking my mind. I hope it isn't true, but you never know. It might be.
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Again, how did Paris pretend to attempt suicide? It's just a story of an alleged event, not an alleged event. Paris didn't do anything.
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Again, how did Paris pretend to attempt suicide? It's just a story of an alleged event, not an alleged event. Paris didn't do anything.
Exactly. Paris could have been painting her nails or taking a nap at the supposed time of this event. It wasn't like she was actually cutting herself with a knife pretending to kill herself. In fact, she wouldn't have to do much of anything at all and technically wouldn't even have to know about the story before it was released - although I'm sure she did. And to anyone who is upset because a "child" is involved - what is Paris now? 15? She is not a child. Think back to when you were 15 and your world view at the time. I read journal entries from when I was that age and I was just as intelligent as I am now, minus some learned wisdom.
This is absolutely apart of the hoax. "It's only a movie". "Taking the medium to a new level". And let's not forget Michael's story of the snake and the mouse.
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I can really see the agonizing emotions over the morality of this lastest part of MJ's family's story. The last time we agonized to this extent was over whether MJ used a DWD patient. Circus performers for one example, for generations involve their children from toddler on in increasingly dangerous stunts, because it's a 'family business'. I remember MJ saying he planned to be married by such and such a year and have kids, etc. It has been said that MJ wanted to do this tour because his kids were old enough to appreciate watching him perform and he was still young enough to do it. I think he planned the years to have his kids with the hoax in mind as well as just loving to have his own kids. They are old enough to understand the hoax reasons and be able to participate while keeping a secret. But they are also young enough that they are still children, and not adults ready to go do their own thing in life, career-wise or raising a family of their own. If the hoax ends this year, (4 years) then Prince will be only 16, bd is Feb 13.
Some of the main reasons I say the suicide is hoax is:
1)TMZ first posting just like MJ's death, including taking her to same hospital
2)Front has several tweets seeming to foretell the suicide.
3)CM is off the wall funny in his message to her from jail. Imagine, the killer of the father is allowed to do this! In what country or planet?
4)Tito seemed way too casual about the family doing great, when suicide is complex and not easily bandaged and gotten better.
5) Debbie tweets away about her horses on the day her daughter does this, only upset about the paps. Yet media said she told them about the S initially. Yeah right...
6)The timing of it, during AEG trial, and after Wade Robson's false accusation--seeming to be a counter attack to that.
7)Paris did 'improv' with her dad, crying on the spot, as in the memorial, and this seems similar emotional outburst.
Am I forgetting something?
Do, I hear ya about the NWO and Sony being behind the hoax, but this theory present problems too. Why Back, Front, TS, the kids involved, etc., with so much love and humor, and creativity.
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Do, I hear ya about the NWO and Sony being behind the hoax, but this theory present problems too. Why Back, Front, TS, the kids involved, etc., with so much love and humor, and creativity.
Mjonmind, believe me, I'm having a really hard time comprehending all this stuff!
But is it possible, that others (not Michael, or people close -in a good way- to Michael, were behind Back, Front, TS (when was the last time we heard from TS by the way? I'm not on hoaxbook so maybe I'm missing something, but the guy vanished in thin air or something? When was the last time he posted a 'religious' update? Or finished a level?). Is it possible that 'they' (bad ones, using Michael for their own purposes) were planning this for Michael, starting a long time ago, and after Michaels 'death' a major company/people influenced the newsreports, the movie 'This is it' (with the four years and the BAM) and put information out so that it seems Michael himself is behind all of this? Why is John Branca saying: 'I'm Michael Jackson now'!!!!
It's just that I can't see for the life of me that Michael is behind the latest 'troubles' with Wade Robson and Paris.
I'm really starting to believe that the Jackson family is under control also. Why did they talk to Oprah several times, knowing that she believed Michael was guilty? Why is Prince on ET? Why did the family talk to people from tabloid/gossip shows, knowing that they were the ones trashing Michael?? How can they act with much love, humor and creativity, knowing what they did to him? Why not mentioning names, they said they knew who were behind this (just like LM said in the Oprah interview) and that Murray was just the fall guy. Because it's all a hoax?
Using children to this extent in the hoax does not feel right. Whether it's true or not, this will stick to Paris in the future. The family can go along with a few lies, but not to this extent. How will people react to Michael if he 'did' this to his daughter, just to make a 'point'?
I really believed in the hoax and I crave for justice for Michael, but it seems further away then ever. Except if they are going to 'use' him, again. :smiley-vault-misc-150:
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Debbie Rowe - Debbie Rowe wants to help Paris Jackson
08 June 2013
http://www.contactmusic.com/news/debbie-rowe-wants-to-help-paris-jackson_3709116
(http://www.contactmusic.com/news/debbie-rowe-wants-to-help-paris-jackson_3709116)
.........................it is reported Debbie willing to ''take custody''......
She wants the gifts back :LolLolLolLol: , gifts for which she was paid $ 8 million to go quietly into the sunset . :icon_lol:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxmpWsNgklg[/youtube]
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Michael is mocking the media thorough this hoax, he is trying to drive them crazy (at least I see it that way due to I've learned not to believe all what media tells and writes and just because it's print doesn't mean is the gospel, lesson learned) and if it's true that Paris' suicide bid is a hoax (what I believe) don't worry about Paris because his father is gonna make it clear that everything was staged for a good cause. I agree this news about Paris was devastating but I think on the other hand Michael has been dropping clues to make believers and rest of the world learn that all this is a faked situation as MJonline very well has named with those main reasons for this suicide to be a hoax list.
If I didn't believe in Michael and his plan I wouldn't keep on following this hoax and I wouldn't keep on reading this forum because it would hurt me and it would go against my feelings because it's being hard, really hard, but I will support him till the end of this adventure.
Just some reminders:
Before I would hurt a child, I would slit my wrists.
Michael Jackson
Everyone who knows me will know the truth, which is that my children come first in my life and that I would never harm any child.
Michael Jackson
When I see children, I see the face of God. That's why I love them so much. That's what I see.
Michael Jackson
I will say again that I have never, and would never, harm a child. It sickens me that people have written untrue things about me.
Michael Jackson
And that goes to Paris too.
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Michael is mocking the media thorough this hoax, he is trying to drive them crazy (at least I see it that way due to I've learned not to believe all what media tells and writes and just because it's print doesn't mean is the gospel, lesson learned) and if it's true that Paris' suicide bid is a hoax (what I believe) don't worry about Paris because his father is gonna make it clear that everything was staged for a good cause. I agree this news about Paris was devastating but I think on the other hand Michael has been dropping clues to make believers and rest of the world learn that all this is a faked situation as MJonline very well has named with those main reasons for this suicide to be a hoax list.
If I didn't believe in Michael and his plan I wouldn't keep on following this hoax and I wouldn't keep on reading this forum because it would hurt me and it would go against my feelings because it's being hard, really hard, but I will support him till the end of this adventure.
Just some reminders:
Before I would hurt a child, I would slit my wrists.
Michael Jackson
Everyone who knows me will know the truth, which is that my children come first in my life and that I would never harm any child.
Michael Jackson
When I see children, I see the face of God. That's why I love them so much. That's what I see.
Michael Jackson
I will say again that I have never, and would never, harm a child. It sickens me that people have written untrue things about me.
Michael Jackson
And that goes to Paris too.
Exactly. And that's why I don't believe Paris 'attempt' is part of the hoax. He would never hurt a child, whether it is mentally or physically. 'Playing' such a heavy part must take a toll on Paris. Even if it's for a good cause. Years ago, an adult Dutch actor played a difficult role in a movie as a man who became paralyzed after a motorcycle accident and commited suicide because he could't handle his handicap. Two years after that movie, he committed suicide in real life because he identified himself too much with the part he played.
And I haven't giving up completely on the hoax. I'm here since september 2009. I'm just starting to wonder whose hoax it really is. Reading here helps me to determine whether we are still on the right road.
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Michael asked if we would be there through his 'violence.' Perhaps he was asking will we be there for him when he does things and uses methods that seem questionable and incomprehensible, perhaps even 'violent.'
Gwynned, LOVE it. Never thought of "Violence" and meaning even though played the song literally thousands of times. Thanks for that thought. I actually really like the notion of that. Makes sense.
I feel like TS/_comments prepared us for this very event with the DWD theory exercise/debate session.
No one was allowed to use emotional reasons at that time to back up their argument. Or at least it was highly discouraged and negated as evidence. It was tough, but a good mental work out.
For the most part with DWD generally emotion was able to be kept out of it which is why objective conversations and examination of theories was able to happen.
Emotion got let in on this occasion and its messy and far from objective. I now value the lesson of keeping emotion out of it, although during DWD discussion, I let my ethical boundaries get in to some of my arguments against it.
Personal lesson drawn. Check ☑
I am sure that every episode of this hoax is for a purpose. But I don't really feel this one is to educate about teen suicide, because I don't feel anything has happened to 'teach' us something.
I believe the story to be false as I have made known. Def don't believe it is for youth suicide awareness / education purposes.
I think the fact that you have no doubt about it to be fake is rather SCARY
This is MICHAEL JACKSON'S hoax, not PARIS. Paris is an independant human being, with a brain and a heart.
By saying "it's all part of the hoax" you just deny the fact that she can act by herself, upon feelings that belong to her. She would only be a "MJ's hoax tool" in everything she does.
I'm sorry but your way to consider people scares me. Paris is a young girl, not only her dad's daughter. Although she's been helping her dad with the hoax, you must let her be free to have a life too, including issues that goes with teenage. And that doesn't mean i want this to be true. Just i consider she's not her dad and so this event might be part of Paris' life, but not part of MJ's hoax.
I don't think that anyone thinks that Paris is just listening to instructions like an exploited dancing monkey. (Not just the suicide story, but all of her hoax antics) Just because it is being said it is for hoax purposes, doesn't mean that she can't and doesn't act by herself. I believe that anyone who is working with Michael in this hoax (all Jackson family included) are fighting the same fight. No one can make anyone do something they don't want to do. In fact if they weren't invested into it personally and just following commands MJ is firing at them like what is being insinuated, it has potential to jeopardise the exercise. They are all in this together and on the same page. All are willing participants. OBVIOUSLY because the reason is worth it to them, important to them whether that be entertainment, vindication, media exposé or all of the above.
Yes she is an independent person with a brain and a heart. All the Jacksons are. All are on Michael's and playing the role in the hoax in in their own unique way. Look at all the characters, Joe Jackson, Katherine, La Toya, Paris, etc etc. Michael, a great director and writer we know, assigns roles within this hoax that that are best suited to the characters / actors involved, playing to their talent strengths, etc.
Why did they talk to Oprah several times, knowing that she believed Michael was guilty? Why is Prince on ET? Why did the family talk to people from tabloid/gossip shows, knowing that they were the ones trashing Michael?? How can they act with much love, humor and creativity, knowing what they did to him? Why not mentioning names, they said they knew who were behind this (just like LM said in the Oprah interview) and that Murray was just the fall guy.
Because its a Takeover.
I don't get people saying this will hurt her forever, tarnish her image, do her future damage. Do we realise this is the Daughter of Michael Jackson?!?! I am sure no one is going to take a look at her resume and say, "no you haven't got he job. You were suicidal in 2013." or "You were involved in an unhonorable fictitious Suicide spoof."
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I don't get people saying this will hurt her forever, tarnish her image, do her future damage. Do we realise this is the Daughter of Michael Jackson?!?! I am sure no one is going to take a look at her resume and say, "no you haven't got he job. You were suicidal in 2013." or "You were involved in an unhonorable fictitious Suicide spoof."
Because it could cause her mental stress. She was just a child when the hoax started and look at all the trash she and her family had to endure the past four years. You don't think 4 years of lies (even IF for a good cause) will take a toll on her? Being the daughter of MJ doesn't mean she is a performing robot.
I just hope all of this is coming to an end soon.
Do: Years ago, an adult Dutch actor played a difficult role in a movie as a man who became paralyzed after a motorcycle accident and commited suicide because he could't handle his handicap. Two years after that movie, he committed suicide in real life because he identified himself too much with the part he played.
This is what can happen to people. And this was an adult.
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I don't get people saying this will hurt her forever, tarnish her image, do her future damage. Do we realise this is the Daughter of Michael Jackson?!?! I am sure no one is going to take a look at her resume and say, "no you haven't got he job. You were suicidal in 2013." or "You were involved in an unhonorable fictitious Suicide spoof."
I agree with you Australian. I think she will actually get much more attention and more jobs when this is all over. People are already more interested in her. Even her make up video got thousands more views after this broke the news. And she got huge bunch of new twitter followers too, more fans.
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for me it is starting to become an issue of how long all this mess continue , and whether it really starts to look even more like things are not right with these kids.
another thought i had was to wonder if in all the mess with the chandlers and the boy as i understand did not want to testify . some of the media is saying ( i think i saw this ) that paris doesn't want to testify. is it possible that jordan may have behaved in this same manner at the time ? interestingly enough as i sit here typing this it comes to mind that randy phillips called this action on katherines part extortion didn't he ?
i probably have too many thoughts on the whole thing to try and express right now. some of them probably contradict the other even. :-[ :-\ :Pulling_hair: :'(
just so hard to get a handle on it all.
i do know that i too have been wondering just whose hoax this is for a while now/.
it just came into my thoughts . it seems on these past pages there have been mentions that michael carried a suicide note. if he injected himself on that day in an effort to end it all wouldn't he have left the note?
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Again, how did Paris pretend to attempt suicide? It's just a story of an alleged event, not an alleged event. Paris didn't do anything.
True, it is in the news and that too by TMZ. She definitely didn't do anything, but the 'why is this piece of news released' part is important. The hype and emotional drama surrounding this 'story' is absurd.
Some of the main reasons I say the suicide is hoax is:
1)TMZ first posting just like MJ's death, including taking her to same hospital
2)Front has several tweets seeming to foretell the suicide.
3)CM is off the wall funny in his message to her from jail. Imagine, the killer of the father is allowed to do this! In what country or planet?
4)Tito seemed way too casual about the family doing great, when suicide is complex and not easily bandaged and gotten better.
5) Debbie tweets away about her horses on the day her daughter does this, only upset about the paps. Yet media said she told them about the S initially. Yeah right...
6)The timing of it, during AEG trial, and after Wade Robson's false accusation--seeming to be a counter attack to that.
7)Paris did 'improv' with her dad, crying on the spot, as in the memorial, and this seems similar emotional outburst.
Am I forgetting something?
wanted to add this, pointed out by mrbigshot, it's the same month of Michael's 'passing', June.
Because it could cause her mental stress. She was just a child when the hoax started and look at all the trash she and her family had to endure the past four years. You don't think 4 years of lies (even IF for a good cause) will take a toll on her? Being the daughter of MJ doesn't mean she is a performing robot.
I just hope all of this is coming to an end soon.
Is hoax a trash?
Tell me something, if you were the kid of an ultra famous celebrity who had been tortured, would you say 'NO' to an opportunity where you can renew the image and contribute to goodness and undertanding towards the mom/dad just because you dont wanna be a 'robot'?
When kids listen to their parents, is it robotic? is it being mind-controlled? or coward? Can;t it be understanding and love? do u become a robot because you listen to your parents or help them out?
Seriously I hated the way you just said it, Do. I'm sure you could have found a much more subtle way of expression.
BTW, it team-work, not dictatorship.
If people just learn to draw the line between profession and real life, I think life would be a lot better. And if MJ is involving his daughter in this hoax [which he sure is doing] then I'm pretty sure he made her mentally strong.
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Quote Do: Because it could cause her mental stress. She was just a child when the hoax started and look at all the trash she and her family had to endure the past four years. You don't think 4 years of lies (even IF for a good cause) will take a toll on her? Being the daughter of MJ doesn't mean she is a performing robot.
I just hope all of this is coming to an end soon.
Quote Thriller4ever: Is hoax a trash?
Tell me something, if you were the kid of an ultra famous celebrity who had been tortured, would you say 'NO' to an opportunity where you can renew the image and contribute to goodness and undertanding towards the mom/dad just because you dont wanna be a 'robot'?
When kids listen to their parents, is it robotic? is it being mind-controlled? or coward? Can;t it be understanding and love? do u become a robot because you listen to your parents or help them out?
Seriously I hated the way you just said it, Do. I'm sure you could have found a much more subtle way of expression.
BTW, it team-work, not dictatorship.
If people just learn to draw the line between profession and real life, I think life would be a lot better. And if MJ is involving his daughter in this hoax [which he sure is doing] then I'm pretty sure he made her mentally strong.
Quote Do: No, the hoax is not trash. The comments people make on such events as this suicide attempt is trash. That's what I meant. Just read the comment section on TMZ and you understand what I'm talking about. The fact that people refer to the Jackson family as money hungry leeches, the fact that people are saying that Michael isn't their biogical father, that Wade Robson accuses her father being a sexual abuser, that kind of trash I'm talking about. That's the kind of trash that could cause mental stress.
Michael always hid his children to prevent them from this kind of trash. And suddenly, after his 'death' they are in the spotlights constantly. He didn't had to give his young daughter such an important and difficult role in the hoax. He could have kept them low profile, like he always had. That's why I'm starting to believe this isn't Michael's hoax. i believe he wouldn't go to this extent. He would protect his children from this.
Whether Michael is behind this or not, yes, it's almost mind controlling to live such a lie, even if it is done out of pure love for her father. If my child is committing a crime, and I cover up out of pure love for him, I am criminal as well. Listening to your parents is for me about whole other things, not to make a child living a lie. She was/is just too young for that. Michael isn't polishing up his image with this. But that's ofcourse my opinion.
If I choose the wrong words, I'm sorry. I'm definitely no dictator (because I'm telling how I feel??). You too could have found a much more subtle way of expression I guess.
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laughing at myself for having this thought but: i have worked retail forever. and basically at the end of everyday you have a process called recovery . and then the next day the shoppers come back in a tear it back up again. this whole thing seems to bare a resemblance to that process. .... :penguin: i guess that's retail for ya . follow the money.
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It can't be anyone else's hoax because no one besides MJ could influence the entire Jackson Family, LAPD, LAFD, Sony, AEG, LA county coroner, MJ's inner circle of peeps, MJJ Estate, and Murray to play along and cooperate fully with every other entity listed so thoroughly. This is a well oiled machine this hoax, so well oiled it can be nothing else but MJ's life's work. "Evil" AEG isn't going to get this done. Neither is "evil" Sony or any other "evil" shadowy entity out here. They simply do not and cannot have that kind of influence. But MJ can.
MJ was quoted as saying he wanted to "take his kids on stage" with him for TII. And that's exactly what he did.
MJ asked his then 11 year old daughter to stand up on stage in front of the entire world and CRY FAKE TEARS for his FAKE DEATH. She was just a baby and he had her physically and verbally LIE directly to the world. Why does no one who finds the prospect of MJ directing his daughter in a role that includes reports of an alleged suicide attempt offensive take offense to that? Or is it just because it's ancient history at this point?
Still, no one who thinks this is real addressed my question earlier:
To all who think it's real, how do you rectify the report that she stated that she wanted to "join Dad"?
Which in my opinion, is MJ's attempt at making this situation crystal clear for all us hoaxers.
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To all who think it's real, how do you rectify the report that she stated that she wanted to "join Dad"?
Where did we get this information from?
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I am one of those who have largely remained silent over this whole situation with Paris, and I'm not going to get into specifics of the current story, but I would like to make a few general comments.
There has been much talk of 'ethical and moral boundaries'. I think these are at the core of each and every one of us, they make us who we are, they are our 'soul' if you care to use such a word. They control how we react and respond to events and circumstances in all areas of our lives. Usually we don't need actually to go through any sort of procedure, say in the case of a child murderer, to decide if boundaries have been crossed, we just know they have, and it's wrong.
But when we come up against something in a 'grey area' that we feel oversteps that boundary, we can't dismiss the 'event' as not being 'real' because it offends us in some way. We hopefully learn about it, maybe try to understand it, accepting that others have different boundaries, and from there decide whether it is so extreme that we cannot support the situation/individual(s) concerned or whether it can be an 'agree to disagree' type of situation. This incidentally, I feel is probably fundamental to the 'civilisation' of human beings.
So, do these boundaries have a place in hoax investigation?
I think not, because the hoax is what it is, and it's not devised or presented by us and our boundaries (whatever they may be for each of us as individuals). We should be able to investigate without our own personal moral compass leading us in the wrong direction. Just because we might not 'agree' with something, shouldn't mean we opt to believe another 'more palatable' version. Also, hard though it is, we should also entertain the idea that our own personal moral compass may be 'stuck', (influenced by our own personal circumstances and experiences) and that others may have more 'free-flowing' or advanced ones. We may not always be 'right'.
But ultimately we do have to stay true to ourselves and therefore I do think our boundaries must have a place in hoax following and support. If we decide a personally unacceptable line has been crossed then of course, it is our choice whether or not we continue to follow and support it, and whatever purpose we feel it has.
And this is probably the hardest thing right now for some of us. We don't know the purpose, we don't know the ending, we don't know if the 'end justifies the means', we suspect but don't really know if our personal lines have been crossed. Without all the facts we cannot make a true judgement.
Well that's how it is for me anyway.
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To all who think it's real, how do you rectify the report that she stated that she wanted to "join Dad"?
Where did we get this information from?
Same place we got the alleged suicide story from in the first place; the media via "a source".
@curls, great post. To me, it boils down to having faith in MJ. The show's not over yet.
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If people just learn to draw the line between profession and real life, I think life would be a lot better. And if MJ is involving his daughter in this hoax [which he sure is doing] then I'm pretty sure he made her mentally strong.
Exactly that's how I think because remember Paris was only 11 years old when her father began performing this hoax so all her "adult life" has been spent playing the role of an "entertainer who faked his death" daughter and this is a normal life for her right now until the situation changes after her father's takeover, of course, if ever happens.
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@Do, i've got only one thing to say. it's never easy to be michael jackson. And i doknow that the kids know how hard it is to be in Michael's shoes. When Michael has gone through so much it is ridiculous when such 'boundaries'as curls said, come in your way of vindication, justice. They will never!
If people think Paris suicide attempt is horrible, then this hoax is horrible and everything that happened in these four years in also horrible. And that makes you a non-believer. And if you choose to be believers then you need to be prepared for every kind of story, because this hoax is unpredictable.
@Curls, very well said...i simply loved it!
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To all who think it's real, how do you rectify the report that she stated that she wanted to "join Dad"?
Where did we get this information from?
Same place we got the alleged suicide story from in the first place; the media via "a source".
@curls, great post. To me, it boils down to having faith in MJ. The show's not over yet.
Ok. So how are we going to establish this as a reliable source for a message from MJ?
If you say "alleged suicide" you must also say "alleged statement from Paris".
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To all who think it's real, how do you rectify the report that she stated that she wanted to "join Dad"?
Where did we get this information from?
Same place we got the alleged suicide story from in the first place; the media via "a source".
@curls, great post. To me, it boils down to having faith in MJ. The show's not over yet.
Ok. So how are we going to establish this as a reliable source for a message from MJ?
If you say "alleged suicide" you must also say "alleged statement from Paris".
Based on what Paris did in the past, it is quite obvious that she is in the hoax. needless to say.
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So, do these boundaries have a place in hoax investigation?
I think not, because the hoax is what is is, and it's not devised or presented by us and our boundaries (whatever they may be for each of us as individuals). We should be able to investigate without our own personal moral compass leading us in the wrong direction. Just because we might not 'agree' with something, shouldn't mean we opt to believe another 'more palatable' version. Also, hard though it is, we should also entertain the idea that our own personal moral compass may be 'stuck', (influenced by our own personal circumstances and experiences) and that others' may have more 'free-flowing' or advanced ones. We may not always be 'right'.
Curls I agree with every single word, now it does make sense what Front told us last Nov 2012 and all we thought he was hinting his BAM yet it had nothing to do with it: "WILL YOU BE THERE"
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To all who think it's real, how do you rectify the report that she stated that she wanted to "join Dad"?
Where did we get this information from?
Same place we got the alleged suicide story from in the first place; the media via "a source".
@curls, great post. To me, it boils down to having faith in MJ. The show's not over yet.
Ok. So how are we going to establish this as a reliable source for a message from MJ?
If you say "alleged suicide" you must also say "alleged statement from Paris".
Based on what Paris did in the past, it is quite obvious that she is in the hoax. needless to say.
Although we can't take Paris' tweets at face value because we all know that Paris' twitter account was opened, if I am not wrong, just for hoax purpose "only", every single tweet is related to some song lyrics that finally lead us to someone that faked his own death or to the hoax itself, remember during the time Front was on the forum he threw some shoutouts to some of us, do you think Paris would do that? I don't think so, she might read the forum during her leisure time and from time to time but never in a daily basis because she has to attend school, study for tests and hang out with friends.
What I mean with all this is that we can't take the last 2 Paris' tweets into account for it's said that she looked stressed and that's why she wrote them.
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To all who think it's real, how do you rectify the report that she stated that she wanted to "join Dad"?
Where did we get this information from?
Same place we got the alleged suicide story from in the first place; the media via "a source".
@curls, great post. To me, it boils down to having faith in MJ. The show's not over yet.
Ok. So how are we going to establish this as a reliable source for a message from MJ?
If you say "alleged suicide" you must also say "alleged statement from Paris".
Based on what Paris did in the past, it is quite obvious that she is in the hoax. needless to say.
Oh I am not talking about establishing whether she´s in on the hoax or not. I agree with you that she is.
I am talking about establishing the statement "I want to join dad" as true, as a fact.
So this being said I have to ask: what is it now: "Don´t believe everything you read (in a tabloid)" or "Take the report about Paris saying that she wants to join her dad at face value"?
Mind you, in this particular case.
Paradox. At least for me.
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"To all who think it's real, how do you rectify the report that she stated that she wanted to "join Dad"?"
This could mean that she is not over losing her dad, she wishes she was with him, meaning that she is so heart broken, depressed and sad with a lot of other problems and pressures that are going on in her life now, that she would rather commit suicide and "join dad" rather than live the life that she's living now.
A lot of people when faced with the loss of a family member, are heart broken and can't come to grips of living life without this person, therefore the saying "I want to join Dad or mom or my son". This is very common among people who lose a dear one, rather than face life without them, they would prefer to join them.....
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"To all who think it's real, how do you rectify the report that she stated that she wanted to "join Dad"?"
This could mean that she is not over losing her dad, she wishes she was with him, meaning that she is so heart broken, depressed and sad with a lot of other problems and pressures that are going on in her life now, that she would rather commit suicide and "join dad" rather than live the life that she's living now.
A lot of people when faced with the loss of a family member, are heart broken and can't come to grips of living life without this person, therefore the saying "I want to join Dad or mom or my son". This is very common among people who lose a dear one, rather than face life without them, they would prefer to join them.....
So you are a non-believer?
To all who think it's real, how do you rectify the report that she stated that she wanted to "join Dad"?
Where did we get this information from?
Same place we got the alleged suicide story from in the first place; the media via "a source".
@curls, great post. To me, it boils down to having faith in MJ. The show's not over yet.
Ok. So how are we going to establish this as a reliable source for a message from MJ?
If you say "alleged suicide" you must also say "alleged statement from Paris".
Based on what Paris did in the past, it is quite obvious that she is in the hoax. needless to say.
Oh I am not talking about establishing whether she´s in on the hoax or not. I agree with you that she is.
I am talking about establishing the statement "I want to join dad" as true, as a fact.
So this being said I have to ask: what is it now: "Don´t believe everything you read (in a tabloid)" or "Take the report about Paris saying that she wants to join her dad at face value"?
Mind you, in this particular case.
Paradox. At least for me.
Indeed you have believed yourself into a paradox.
I knew the story was fake from the get-go, so this alleged statement from Paris is neither here nor there for me, but I posed the question for those who believe the Paris alleged suicide attempt is real, because of the paradox it carries: if you believe the alleged suicide report via the media then you almost have to be a non-believer like Faithad777, because of this alleged statement report piggy-backing right along behind. But I was curious if some have a way of believing one to be legit while satisfying the other to remain a hoaxer.
As far as I'm concerned, it's all fake, as I've stated ad-naseum. No paradox for me. Keeps it simple :icon_e_wink:
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Bec, there could be another possibility: Michael is alive but not with his children. And Paris attempted suicide in an effort to get Michael back home premarurely so she can 'join' him. Or she want to join him at the place he is staying/hiding. Anyway, this could be the cry for help to Michael to be with her and her brothers again.
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"To all who think it's real, how do you rectify the report that she stated that she wanted to "join Dad"?"
This could mean that she is not over losing her dad, she wishes she was with him, meaning that she is so heart broken, depressed and sad with a lot of other problems and pressures that are going on in her life now, that she would rather commit suicide and "join dad" rather than live the life that she's living now.
A lot of people when faced with the loss of a family member, are heart broken and can't come to grips of living life without this person, therefore the saying "I want to join Dad or mom or my son". This is very common among people who lose a dear one, rather than face life without them, they would prefer to join them.....
So you are a non-believer?
To all who think it's real, how do you rectify the report that she stated that she wanted to "join Dad"?
Where did we get this information from?
Same place we got the alleged suicide story from in the first place; the media via "a source".
@curls, great post. To me, it boils down to having faith in MJ. The show's not over yet.
Ok. So how are we going to establish this as a reliable source for a message from MJ?
If you say "alleged suicide" you must also say "alleged statement from Paris".
Based on what Paris did in the past, it is quite obvious that she is in the hoax. needless to say.
Oh I am not talking about establishing whether she´s in on the hoax or not. I agree with you that she is.
I am talking about establishing the statement "I want to join dad" as true, as a fact.
So this being said I have to ask: what is it now: "Don´t believe everything you read (in a tabloid)" or "Take the report about Paris saying that she wants to join her dad at face value"?
Mind you, in this particular case.
Paradox. At least for me.
Indeed you have believed yourself into a paradox.
I knew the story was fake from the get-go, so this alleged statement from Paris is neither here nor there for me, but I posed the question for those who believe the Paris alleged suicide attempt is real, because of the paradox it carries: if you believe the alleged suicide report via the media then you almost have to be a non-believer like Faithad777, because of this alleged statement report piggy-backing right along behind. But I was curious if some have a way of believing one to be legit while satisfying the other to remain a hoaxer.
As far as I'm concerned, it's all fake, as I've stated ad-naseum. No paradox for me. Keeps it simple :icon_e_wink:
I don't appreciate you deciding for me what I believe or don't believe. That's for me to decide. I stated my opinion and you are entitled to yours, but that doesn't give you the right to put me in any category of your choosing.
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Diana Ross — Paris Jackson’s Godmother, Possible Guardian — Comforts Family After Teen’s Suicide Bid
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/06/diana-ross-paris-jackson-suicide-attempt/#.UbX3bS8qEpQ.twitter
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"To all who think it's real, how do you rectify the report that she stated that she wanted to "join Dad"?"
This could mean that she is not over losing her dad, she wishes she was with him, meaning that she is so heart broken, depressed and sad with a lot of other problems and pressures that are going on in her life now, that she would rather commit suicide and "join dad" rather than live the life that she's living now.
A lot of people when faced with the loss of a family member, are heart broken and can't come to grips of living life without this person, therefore the saying "I want to join Dad or mom or my son". This is very common among people who lose a dear one, rather than face life without them, they would prefer to join them.....
So you are a non-believer?
I don't appreciate you deciding for me what I believe or don't believe. That's for me to decide. I stated my opinion and you are entitled to yours, but that doesn't give you the right to put me in any category of your choosing.
The category of non-believer? If I didn't misunderstand your post as satire, that is the category you are choosing for yourself. I didn't put you there. Unless I misunderstood, which is why I asked you to clarify. In any case, is being a non-believer a negative thing?
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I don't believe that MJ hasn't been with his kids the entire past 4 yrs. That's another assumption that hoaxers make, that there is a separation of 4 yrs btw MJ and family. Maybe not seeing them as frequently or openly, but I believe that MJ is always accessible for his kids and family.
I don't believe the angle of her alleged attempted suicide was to get her dads attention because she misses him.
Nor do I believe she did it as a stress signal be ause hoax involvement is too overwhelming. Are you kidding!! She is at the apex of this thing (Publically speaking. Behind the scenes it's MJ) but she is in an awesome position! This will be the highlight of her career. Our little white rabbit is key and integral. Now with MJ fully aware of pressures of entertainment and controversy involved, do you not think he would be preparing her, coaching her, supporting her emotionally and psychologically through this?? Of course he would! He is a loving parent. He is right there with her. So no, this incident isn't a sign of duress. This was not a cry for help. Because he is right there. Whatever happens. Don't let go of my hand...
Also the thing that really perplexs me is why all of a sudden some are taking TMZ seriously for the first time. TM frikken Z!!!! They release crazy stories everyday in the name of the hoax. Dnt get the logic why all of a sudden they are being believed. Their stories are deliberately laughable. An argument someone said, was because 'this story involves a child and it crosses boundaries'
What's new? Boundaries and 'expected' entertainment have been constantly crossed in the hoax and propelled us into 'new territory'
Also other hoax elements have involved his kids, so it's nothing new.
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I don't believe that MJ hasn't been with his kids the entire past 4 yrs. That's another assumption that hoaxers make, that there is a separation of 4 yrs btw MJ and family. Maybe not seeing them as frequently or openly, but I believe that MJ is always accessible for his kids and family.
Agreed.
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Bec, there could be another possibility: Michael is alive but not with his children. And Paris attempted suicide in an effort to get Michael back home premarurely so she can 'join' him. Or she want to join him at the place he is staying/hiding. Anyway, this could be the cry for help to Michael to be with her and her brothers again.
Do, I'm so sorry I forgot to comment earlier, you have a good point, this a reasonable explanation for the apparent paradox. However, as Aussie said, I too do not believe MJ hasn't been with his children this whole time. I have no reason to believe that and because MJ has always been an attentive and doting (and ever-present!) father, I have to extend to him the benefit of the doubt that he still is.
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I've been away for a few days and lost track of what's been going on...but I have to say from quickly scanning this thread I agree with whoever (sorry can't recall who wrote this) that the heated debate over this reminds me alot of the heated debate we had about the DWD theory last year.
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For me this is DEF in on the hoax. For a few reasons. Reason one being it seems no matter where you look or search they are NOT SHOWING the hospital she is in.
They just keep saying an LA hospital or to a nearby hospital etc..... You may think oh its because they dont want people to know which one she in but..........
That info is EASY to find out apparently because ANY OTHER celebs that go to the hospital they know within minutes of which one it is UNLESS the story is
made up and she is not really at one. Reason being they dont want people knowing is im guessing because then people can snoop around by calling, going there etc etc
and asking is Paris here which would in turn spoil their reason for pulling the stunt in the first place and it would expose them. That being said....... Reason two to me is because look
at the timing and ALL THE SHIT that is going down during this trial. You have the Wade Roboson bs accusations, Latoya getting her own show on the OWN, Paris suicide attempt,
CM singing in interviews on tv from jail, CM sending paris a message from jail.... By the way how was that recorded??? Im SURE he didnt call her phone and leave it on vm and
im also sure the jail didnt record it and send it in to tmz for him........ All this stuff is leading up to something that is coming up we just dont know what yet. Reason 3 being
Paris made a video about doing her makeup like 2 or 3 days before this incident and she was one the happiest glowing souls ive ever seen. I just dont think you can go from that happy
to wanting to kill yourself in a matter of days. But these are all just my views and opinions obviously we dont KNOW anything. What do you all think??
Yes - good points.
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I listened to TMZ live the other day talking about this incident. A lady called in and said that she see Paris all the time at the park and she seems so happy. Harvey then talks about how Paris is a cheerleader and how Paris is online talking about her makeup, etc... how can one seem so happy and be so dark at the same time. All it made me think of was MJ and his drugs. How everyone was wondering that how could MJ be so happy and so on spot on with his dance routines, yet be on drugs at the same time. Just another parallel...
Here's the video, starts at around 6:38...http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/05/tmz-live-paris-jackson-miguel-michael-douglas-dr-oz-joe-francis-bobbi-kristina-brown-dina-lohan-john-travolta/
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Bec, there could be another possibility: Michael is alive but not with his children. And Paris attempted suicide in an effort to get Michael back home premarurely so she can 'join' him. Or she want to join him at the place he is staying/hiding. Anyway, this could be the cry for help to Michael to be with her and her brothers again.
Do, I'm so sorry I forgot to comment earlier, you have a good point, this a reasonable explanation for the apparent paradox. However, as Aussie said, I too do not believe MJ hasn't been with his children this whole time. I have no reason to believe that and because MJ has always been an attentive and doting (and ever-present!) father, I have to extend to him the benefit of the doubt that he still is.
Bec, I don't believe he was/is away from his children either and if so, that he is accessible to them all the time. But ofcourse there is a big difference if someone is accessible as in being physically there, or only accessible by phone or skype or whatever. Then I could see that Paris wants him 'home' after 4 years.
But it occured to me as a possibility when I read your question:
To all who think it's real, how do you rectify the report that she stated that she wanted to "join Dad"?
That doesn't mean, as some seem to think, that I believe this is what's going on. It's only an explanation of the paradox :smiley-vault-misc-150:
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Off topic - can someone who knows about Twitter tell me if everything you tweet is open to the whole world or is there a facility for having your account only available to a select few of your own choosing? TIA
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Curls, I also loved your post! As well as Aussie's, Bec's...
I certainly feel I've crossed personal boundaries since 2009 summer; I've called it being stretched in my thinking (sometimes I would agonize about stuff while laying in bed). I don't think you're even aware of the restrictive way of thinking coming from the way you've been raised and your environment, until you research it a little and discuss with others who think differently. I'm thankful to MJ and the people on this forum for this!
There have been many hints that MJ may have been with his kids these 4 years a lot (at least as much as they need to be happy and feeling loved by him).
1) KJ buying 4 sleeping bags; who knows where MJ took his kids for 'camping' the odd time.
2)The kids were seen leaving their marshal arts class one time, with a major attempt at shielding 'someone' from view.
3)The MJ tribute show, Blanket said he'd like to introduce his father, and Paris 'corrected' him.
4)MJ's been 'tapdancing' up in his old room at the Hayvenhurst house.
5)A report from people on the east coast that a family identical to MJ and kids were seen at the beach house owned by the former CEO Pepsi, for about a week.
6)A variety of times the Jacksons have talked of MJ being there in person (assuming non-believing take it as being in deceased spirit).
7)We hoaxers are pretty sure we saw him at: his memorial, funeral (in car), X-factor show, and on and on.
I really believe that all the occasions we saw MJ mobbed by fans and paps were times he was deliberately giving them attention. But anytime he wishes to remain incognito, then no one has a clue he's been there. He's practiced for enough years.
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Gwynned, you mentioned “Through my Violence” in WYBT might be a hint at some of the things that might be done during this hoax. I really liked that idea… I think a few days ago I also mentioned “The Ugly/Unconventional” in the hoax reminds me of the line on the Scary track “I’ll be grotesque before your eyes”
I also just thought of the “Ugly” when I was listening to Invincible as I do every day on my way to work this morning. In Whatever Happens… “Afraid that what they been doin’s not right”
Threatened lyrics…. “And when you scream its coz of me…"
Jmo, but the notion of events that are unpleasant or that cross boundaries has been stamped into many a MJ track, when you think of it… Not saying that it’s all relating to Paris story, but that in general, many of his lyrics were a pre-empt that there is going to be some boundary crossing and some unconventional things, that may make people uncomfortable and perhaps raise the question of ethics or test peoples comfort zones.
Would we expect anything less from MJ. The reason he has dominated the decades is because he is at the absolute height of pushing boundaries. The boundaries that others dare not cross.
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Off topic - can someone who knows about Twitter tell me if everything you tweet is open to the whole world or is there a facility for having your account only available to a select few of your own choosing? TIA
You can choose to use your twitter account private. You can change this in your profile settings.
Otherwise everything you write is there for the world to see.
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Jmo, but the notion of events that are unpleasant or that cross boundaries has been stamped into many a MJ track, when you think of it… Not saying that it’s all relating to Paris story, but that in general, many of his lyrics were a pre-empt that there is going to be some boundary crossing and some unconventional things, that may make people uncomfortable and perhaps raise the question of ethics or test peoples comfort zones.
This is true - and as you say, Invincible is loaded with examples.
@Jos, thanks for the helpful Twitter info.
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Lmao all these "sources" :icon_rolleyes: !!!!!
Paris Jackson Wants to Attend Cousin's Weekend Wedding, Could Be Out of Hospital by Friday | E! Online
Suicide Bid Paris Jackson ‘Not Expected’ To Attend Family Wedding This Week | Radar Online
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Meanwhile, her aunt, Janet is having fun in Istanbul,making some new music maybe :icon_question: . She's not joining that media cirus in Los Angeles ;) .
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I don't believe that MJ hasn't been with his kids the entire past 4 yrs. That's another assumption that hoaxers make, that there is a separation of 4 yrs btw MJ and family. Maybe not seeing them as frequently or openly, but I believe that MJ is always accessible for his kids and family.
Agreed.
Totally with you :icon_razz:
and here another link about Paris
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/06/paris-jackson-not-going-back-school-bullied/
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I can understand the thing about not accepting everything that comes out in media or not believing in things that come out without careful inspection...but...sometimes I wonder about those who immediately refuse to give way to the fact that those that we love (Paris, etc..) are also human beings. They have a right and a natural tendency like all of us to go through stress and anxieties and even unfortunate episodes of depression and suicide attempts. To immediately refuse the possibility that Paris did this, is in a way saying that she has no right to fall as a human being. That is life...you fall, you get up...you fall again and keep trying to get up....I think instead of refusing to accept the POSSIBILITY that Paris had attempted suicide, we should embrace her with the love and acceptance that everyone needs an outlet...and she is absolutely normal for feeling the anxieties that come with her life...and the upcoming June date that reminds her once again for the 4th year, that her dad is missing from her life...(I didn't say dead - I said missing from her life...as anxieties that come from the unknown, from missing loved ones...are often just as stressful and painful as that which comes from confirmed death of a loved one.)
We need to let Paris know that we do not expect her to be the perfect person many want her to be, to be totally free of pressures and anxieties...rather she is to know that there are so many of us out here that sympathize with the fact that she may feel pressured to keep up this image of a young woman who is totally ''fine'' now...and no longer suffers from the fact that she does not have her father in her life. It's okay Paris, to be mourning even today...how can 4 years possibly erase the pain and emptiness that although you try to fill and mend - cannot in many ways be fixed. You just keep getting up each morning, Paris, and tell yourself that you do not need to fill the expectations of society...rather fill the expectations you have of yourself. Be it small, simple, or otherwise. You have everything you need in life to get there...the unfortunate things that hinder your peace of mind are only perceptions...because so many other people in the world come from far unfortunate places of struggle and lack of opportunities. The perception of difficulty in our personal lives can shift...and it is up to us as individuals. You will make it and be great whatever you end up as, Paris, as long as it is okay by YOU. YOUR perception is what matters - with everything...whether you are reviewing your difficulties, or pointing out your blessings. We love you and know you will make it through and get up on your feet again. But this time, a stronger Paris than before, not because WE expect it, but because YOU want it. :bearhug:
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Just have to say, it smells like BS to me because I don't believe the Jackson family publicizes their private family business, not because I believe Paris is infallible.
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Just have to say, it smells like BS to me because I don't believe the Jackson family publicizes their private family business, not because I believe Paris is infallible.
Amen
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I just think that until it's been confirmed by family that the report was bogus or exaggerated or twisted (as media most often ends up doing) I think the ''absoluteness'' of not allowing Paris to be fragile ''as much as any human being can be'' only stresses her out more. I remember as a teenager myself, when my parents presumed that I was ''not'' seriously emotionally stressed, and ''stated'' that they ''had confidence'' that I was a much stronger, better person than that...it made me ANGRY. I felt like ''who are YOU to tell me that I would NEVER succumb to depression, or be an emotional mess, or want to become a rebel? Why CAN'T I be what I feel? Why do I ALWAYS have to be the IMAGE of what YOUR PERCEPTION states?
That's all I'm saying. Because my parents did not want me to be weak, they let their perception of who I was, become the default choice of who I should be. For whatever reasons we don't want to believe that someone could be fragile, it is still a source of stress on him/her to not be allowed the possibility of being only human. It's different if society/media is accusing the person of a criminal act - such as what MJ had to go through...but in situations where personal human weaknesses are in play, I sure as hell would want the right to be weak from time to time, and not have my fans or those that love me, deny the fact that YES I could be in need of help from a psychiatrist in the lowest time of my life. I do NOT want to be a super human. Leave me alone and let me be down if I want to be down...that's all I'm saying....but of course, if the family says it's untrue, why push it. I'm just looking at it from the other side...being human. I'm sure it pissed MJ off major whenever everyone would not let him just ''be'', even in his most deepest troubled moments...he must have really just wanted to be whatever he felt like, without having proof to justify the whys and hows.
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I just think that until it's been confirmed by family that the report was bogus or exaggerated or twisted (as media most often ends up doing)
Family statements can't be trusted. The family still say Michael is dead :icon_albino:
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I don't know if it was discussed before....
We saw pics from Paris with Debbie when she left a shop....we saw her arms and there where no scars.....some time later here in germany RTL brought the story that Paris cuts herself with a knife in the same pic there where this cutting signs....sorry for my english....i try to find simple words and hope all of you understand!
They makes a big story that they worried about Paris and then a few days later she made the suicide attempt,like it was on the agenda.....and RTL know it !
I was rearly sure they where no signs of scars on the original pics....but i have not such a good hand with technics and can't post pics.....so sorry.... :smiley-vault-misc-150:
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I don't know if it was discussed before....
We saw pics from Paris with Debbie when she left a shop....we saw her arms and there where no scars.....some time later here in germany RTL brought the story that Paris cuts herself with a knife in the same pic there where this cutting signs....sorry for my english....i try to find simple words and hope all of you understand!
They makes a big story that they worried about Paris and then a few days later she made the suicide attempt,like it was on the agenda.....and RTL know it !
I was rearly sure they where no signs of scars on the original pics....but i have not such a good hand with technics and can't post pics.....so sorry.... :smiley-vault-misc-150:
I definately noticed that her scars kept getting darker and darker (in some cases even bloody). That doesnt mean they werent real, but I absolutely think that those pictures of her scars have been enhanced in the media.
But I also remember MJ having "6 months to live" (according to some tabloid) and then he dies exactly 6 months later. I noticed these "scars" in an American tabloid, some one took a pic of the article and put it on Instagram (photo sharing app for smart phones). And this was atleast one month before whats going on now. And in the interest of full disclosure, I dont know which tabloid.
So maybe those scars were ment to be seen. Most pple who cut (and my brother was a cutter when he was in High School) have a sense of shame about there cuts and try to hide them. Paris was literally waving her arm like a badge of honor and she always wears short sleeves all the time. She lives in sunny/ hot California. So idk...you raise legit points.
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No scars, this young lady has a brilliant brain, no room for shadows, period.
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This pic will vanish soon, sorry for it.