Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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5/23/2013 12:50 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF
JOE JACKSON
Wade Robson's Getting
PAID TO LIE
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/05/22/052213-joe-jackson-launch-1.jpg)
http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_zj2h9bow
EXCLUSIVE
Wade Robson is getting paid big money to destroy Michael Jackson's reputation with child abuse allegations ... so says MJ's dad Joe Jackson.
Joe was at the airport in L.A. Wednesday when we asked about Wade's claims against the MJ estate -- that the singer sexually abused him as a child for years -- but Joe doesn't buy Wade's story for a second ... and he's not placing the blame entirely on Wade's shoulders either.
Joe's got his own conspiracy theory about who's REALLY behind Wade's allegations ... and whoever it is has a massive wallet.
Joe can sure motor for 84!
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The smily face of Joe gives me peace of mind I mean could a father talk about a so serious issue laughing?? if WR claim were true Joe would be very angry however Jermaine was angry in TMZ vid so I am 50/50 with this story, I don't know what to think anymore :confused:.
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I think AEG is behind this 1000% (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen017.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
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All we really know is that Wade is lying (body language analysis). That he is being paid to do it is pure speculation. That he is being paid to do it to satisfy a malicious agenda is even further speculation. I'm not sure it's wise to condemn a person like this in lieu of proof.
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Hang on.....did this dude refer to Taj as Joe Jackson's nephew....at about 0:42 secs? wtf
...dude needs to bone up on the Jackson family tree...lol
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I think AEG is behind this 1000% (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen017.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
This is what I believe too. If we believe that there are no coincidences in life, then it would be safe to deduce that the timing of the allegations are extremely important and suspicious. Wade came out with these allegations just as the AEG trial was underway.
I wanted to re-post my reply from this thread from May 17th, since it applies to the topic we're discussing: Wade Robson-MJ forced me to have sex
TMZ Articles / Re: Wade Robson - MJ forced me to have sex......
« on: May 17, 2013, 04:03:14 AM »
Wade is a despicable human being. He's getting paid big money for:
1- Creating doubt in people, that's all he needs to do, by creating doubt less people will have sympathy for Michael, more people will believe the saying "where
there is smoke, there's fire". The timing of these allegations is very crucial, with the wrongful death lawsuit just starting, now more people will have the
tendency to not stand by Katherine's side.
2- Creating a distraction. People will be distracted by these allegations and will not have time to pay attention to the wrongful death lawsuit. This is what
"they" are hoping and counting on.
As Tom M. said, "Why call yourself a creditor if it's not about money?" It's not in Michael to hurt a bug let alone a child. He did everything he
could to help a child.
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the reaction to the prodding about taj is interesting . but is the reaction different simply because of the way it is put out by the interviewer? and is that an on going issue? know what i mean?
as far a aeg being behind wade , wouldn't that be the obvious conclusion ? why would they risk that ? idk :icon_e_confused:
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These are some pretty big allegations being leveled at Wade and AEG with no evidence to back them up. Does no one see the irony?
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Very true bec.
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These are some pretty big allegations being leveled at Wade and AEG with no evidence to back them up. Does no one see the irony?
so on wades part if he at some point before going to trial drops all this then does he have any legal liability?
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These are some pretty big allegations being leveled at Wade and AEG with no evidence to back them up. Does no one see the irony?
Can you please clarify? :icon_e_confused:
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we have two other threads one about wade saying something about inspiring others to come forward another about taj confession about his situation. could it be that taj was who wade was hoping to inspire? could it be that the note to dee dee would be something that might prove benificial in some way? this is not the first time the note has shown up. if you molested your nephew would you right a note to his mother advising her to read an article about how sometimes relatives might even molest relatives? another question i have to ask is did he make contact with tito over this subject or only dee dee? :-\
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I think AEG is behind this 1000% (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen017.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
This is what I believe too. If we believe that there are no coincidences in life, then it would be safe to deduce that the timing of the allegations are extremely important and suspicious. Wade came out with these allegations just as the AEG trial was underway.
I wanted to re-post my reply from this thread from May 17th, since it applies to the topic we're discussing: Wade Robson-MJ forced me to have sex
TMZ Articles / Re: Wade Robson - MJ forced me to have sex......
« on: May 17, 2013, 04:03:14 AM »
Wade is a despicable human being. He's getting paid big money for:
1- Creating doubt in people, that's all he needs to do, by creating doubt less people will have sympathy for Michael, more people will believe the saying "where
there is smoke, there's fire". The timing of these allegations is very crucial, with the wrongful death lawsuit just starting, now more people will have the
tendency to not stand by Katherine's side.
2- Creating a distraction. People will be distracted by these allegations and will not have time to pay attention to the wrongful death lawsuit. This is what
"they" are hoping and counting on.
As Tom M. said, "Why call yourself a creditor if it's not about money?" It's not in Michael to hurt a bug let alone a child. He did everything he
could to help a child.
My thoughts exactly....why file the claim? If Wade wanted to just tell his story, why did he sit on it for so long and why file a claim....NOW?
...just tell the story! No need to file against the estate....
But he didn't do that did he? :suspect:
....So why go public with it? If he just wanted "healing" and to "put it behind" him, then what was Wade's motivation?
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for the sake of conversation , if it isn't about money ( isn't it interesting that with the whole jackson aeg thing it is said it is not about the money ) and wade is lying right now for a purpose. if there is no monetary gain how does his filing effect the estate? obviously we are not experts here and i assume none of us know wade but does he give off the air of ummm it causing him discomfort to say these things?
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@ Snoopy71 I think AEG is behind this 1000%
Me too think the same....AEG hoped in large receipts with This is it tour, exploiting Mike and he with June 25 did not allow this...
and they understood all..... :moonwalk_:
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for the sake of conversation , if it isn't about money ( isn't it interesting that with the whole jackson aeg thing it is said it is not about the money ) and wade is lying right now for a purpose. if there is no monetary gain how does his filing effect the estate? obviously we are not experts here and i assume none of us know wade but does he give off the air of ummm it causing him discomfort to say these things?
What's also really interesting is how Taj factors in the mix. His confession really makes you pause and consider Wade's motivation.
Here you have two young men who were BOTH very close to MJ, yet have two completely different experiences regarding "molestation". The two accounts are like night & day. One of loving support and compassion and the other as a predator and monster.
It is almost like they are talking about two different Michael's entirely!
...so who seems more credible?
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for the sake of conversation , if it isn't about money ( isn't it interesting that with the whole jackson aeg thing it is said it is not about the money ) and wade is lying right now for a purpose. if there is no monetary gain how does his filing effect the estate? obviously we are not experts here and i assume none of us know wade but does he give off the air of ummm it causing him discomfort to say these things?
What's also really interesting is how Taj factors in the mix. His confession really makes you pause and consider Wade's motivation.
Here you have two young men who were BOTH very close to MJ, yet have two completely different experiences regarding "molestation". The two accounts are like night & day. One of loving support and compassion and the other as a predator and monster.
It is almost like they are talking about two different Michael's entirely!
...so who seems more credible?
:-\ :suspect: :affraid: :-\ remember the ed bradley thing. he says something about he would never do anything sexual with a child , that was not where his heart is. that's not michael jackson , that's someone else. now scary part the manifesto shows up.
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:-\ :suspect: :affraid: :-\ remember the ed bradley thing. he says something about he would never do anything sexual with a child , that was not where his heart is. that's not michael jackson , that's someone else. now scary part the manifesto shows up.
I remember reading years ago that when Michael came back from New York after taping "The Wiz" people said he was different/changed....and like you said, now this "manifesto" appears after so many years.
"MJ will be my new name," he wrote. "No more Michael Jackson. I want a whole new character, a whole new look. I should be a tottally [sic]different person. People should never think of me as the kid who sang "ABC," [or]"I Want You Back." "I should be a new, incredible actor/singer/dancer that will shock the world," he wrote. "I will do no interviews. I will be magic. I will be a perfectionist, a researcher, a trainer, a masterer [sic]. I will be better than every great actor roped into one."
I know a lot of celebrities speak of having a "duality" or an alter persona. But for MJ to be both these people Taj and Wade describe seems extreme...like a Jekyll Mr. Hyde!
In Wade's own words he said...His music, his movement, his personal words of inspiration and encouragement and his unconditional love will live inside of me forever. Robson, June 2009
Which tend to mirror what Taj said. So how do you go from this statement to an allegation/claim?
Let's just say for the sake of argument Wade isn't being paid....why now? why tell it now? What is there to gain going public?
If anyone can answer that...then I could put this to bed and not think about it...cause right now it's making no sense to me except to be about money! :icon_e_confused:
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These are some pretty big allegations being leveled at Wade and AEG with no evidence to back them up. Does no one see the irony?
Can you please clarify? :icon_e_confused:
There's no evidence that Wade or AEG is out to destroy MJ's name or take his money. That's pure speculation. All we know is Wade is lying. His motivation for doing so is unknown at this time.
Flashback: MJ is accused of child molestation. With no evidence, the entire world (seemingly) turns their back upon him and presumes him guilty.
So why are we condemning Wade and AEG in lieu of evidence? Same was done to MJ and all the fans n the hoaxers feel he got such a raw deal (and he did). So why are we turning around and leveling the same sort of condemnation against these entities? Nothing's been proven, there is no evidence of what is driving this turn of events. We should withhold judgement until the facts are in.
Wade is lying, yes. But is he lying because he's acting? Perhaps. Where'd those numbers come from? for 7 years from ages 7 to 14? Come on. That's an astounding coincidence if it is one. And maybe it is. I don't know.
MJ leaves a track record behind. I'd be very wary of failing to heed the lessons he is teaching. Just saying. Maybe I'm wrong. I'll just keep watchin.
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Snoopy71
What's also really interesting is how Taj factors in the mix. His confession really makes you pause and consider Wade's motivation.
Here you have two young men who were BOTH very close to MJ, yet have two completely different experiences regarding "molestation". The two accounts are like night & day. One of loving support and compassion and the other as a predator and monster.
It is almost like they are talking about two different Michael's entirely!
Interesting way to put it. We know MJ lives for controversy, and I know this is a very ugly type, but in a way this really gets people going on all the different sides--the supporters and haters. Somehow I don't think this will go to trial, since it would only be a repeat of 2005. We have had a manslaughter trial and now a wrongful death trial against a large corporation, and I think anything after that would be of a completely different nature, that we can't now predict. And so we stay glued to our chairs.
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These are some pretty big allegations being leveled at Wade and AEG with no evidence to back them up. Does no one see the irony?
Can you please clarify? :icon_e_confused:
There's no evidence that Wade or AEG is out to destroy MJ's name or take his money. That's pure speculation. All we know is Wade is lying. His motivation for doing so is unknown at this time.
Flashback: MJ is accused of child molestation. With no evidence, the entire world (seemingly) turns their back upon him and presumes him guilty.
So why are we condemning Wade and AEG in lieu of evidence? Same was done to MJ and all the fans n the hoaxers feel he got such a raw deal (and he did). So why are we turning around and leveling the same sort of condemnation against these entities? Nothing's been proven, there is no evidence of what is driving this turn of events. We should withhold judgement until the facts are in.
Wade is lying, yes. But is he lying because he's acting? Perhaps. Where'd those numbers come from? for 7 years from ages 7 to 14? Come on. That's an astounding coincidence if it is one. And maybe it is. I don't know.
MJ leaves a track record behind. I'd be very wary of failing to heed the lessons he is teaching. Just saying. Maybe I'm wrong. I'll just keep watchin.
I see...true, very true.
Perhaps this is a case of "unfinished business" and we need to just wait & watch what happens.
The numbers are not coincidental. Heck, I don't think anything is coincidental where MJ is concerned. The ten year time span between allegations, Wade claims the ages 7 - 14 etc...
I guess time will reveal all....as usual we're in the waiting room again. :Crash:
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Snoopy71
What's also really interesting is how Taj factors in the mix. His confession really makes you pause and consider Wade's motivation.
Here you have two young men who were BOTH very close to MJ, yet have two completely different experiences regarding "molestation". The two accounts are like night & day. One of loving support and compassion and the other as a predator and monster.
It is almost like they are talking about two different Michael's entirely!
Interesting way to put it. We know MJ lives for controversy, and I know this is a very ugly type, but in a way this really gets people going on all the different sides--the supporters and haters. Somehow I don't think this will go to trial, since it would only be a repeat of 2005. We have had a manslaughter trial and now a wrongful death trial against a large corporation, and I think anything after that would be of a completely different nature, that we can't now predict. And so we stay glued to our chairs.
Well, this subject of molestation accusations will definitely polarize people! (I know it @#$%& me off with a quickness!) :icon_evil:
Maybe MJ is trying to get a feel for public sentiment and see if perceptions of him have changed for the better in the last 4 years.
...again we'll have to wait and see what comes to light. (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen003.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
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"They're paying him to lie" aka Wade is saying these things because someone is employing him to do so. The natural assumption is that he means AEG but he doesn't say that.
Michael Jackson’s Dad Says Wade Robson is Getting Paid to Lie
By Craig Rosen | Stop The Presses! – 9 hours ago
Let the conspiracy theories begin. Joe Jackson — not the '80s new wave
star, but Michael Jackson's father — says that Wade Robson is getting
paid to say Michael molested him, and that's why he's suing Jackson's
estate.TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/23/joe-jackson-wade-robson-michael-lie-child-abuse) caught up with the elder Jackson Wednesday at the airport and asked Joe
about Robson. "Wade is lying because they're paying him to lie," Joe said.Jackson, however, never makes it clear who is paying Robson to lie. At one point, TMZ's man on the street asks Joe if it's AEG Live!, the
concert promoter that's being sued by the Jackson family for Micheal's
wrongful death, but Joe never addresses that directly.We're no legal experts, but we're hard pressed to understand how Robson's claim of molestation would help AEG fend off the Jacksons'
wrongful death suit.The dancer/choreographer filed suit against the Michael Jackson estate a few weeks ago (http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/stop-the-presses/michael-jackson-sued-sexual-molestation-choreographer-184353916.html), alleging that Jackson sexually abused him from the ages seven through 14.In a interview on the "Today" show last week (http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/stop-the-presses/wade-robson-says-michael-jackson-sexually-abused-him-154743408.html), Robson explained why he testified in Jackson's 2005 child molestation
trial that Michael did not abuse him. Robson said, "I never forgot for
one moment of what Michael did to me, but I was psychologically and
emotionally completely unable and unwilling to understand that it was
sexual abuse."He also claimed he didn't file the lawsuit for money. "I've lived in silence and denial for 22 years and I can't spend another moment in
that. In order to truly heal, I have to speak my truth and have to speak
the whole truth…I'm never going to go away for money," he said.Follow me on Twitter. (https://twitter.com/CraigRosen)
I remember that Joe Jackson does not lie.
Ps. @snoopy71, yes, the waiting room. at least there's good company.
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:-\ :suspect: :affraid: :-\ remember the ed bradley thing. he says something about he would never do anything sexual with a child , that was not where his heart is. that's not michael jackson , that's someone else. now scary part the manifesto shows up.
I remember reading years ago that when Michael came back from New York after taping "The Wiz" people said he was different/changed....and like you said, now this "manifesto" appears after so many years.
"MJ will be my new name," he wrote. "No more Michael Jackson. I want a whole new character, a whole new look. I should be a tottally [sic]different person. People should never think of me as the kid who sang "ABC," [or]"I Want You Back." "I should be a new, incredible actor/singer/dancer that will shock the world," he wrote. "I will do no interviews. I will be magic. I will be a perfectionist, a researcher, a trainer, a masterer [sic]. I will be better than every great actor roped into one."
I know a lot of celebrities speak of having a "duality" or an alter persona. But for MJ to be both these people Taj and Wade describe seems extreme...like a Jekyll Mr. Hyde!
In Wade's own words he said...His music, his movement, his personal words of inspiration and encouragement and his unconditional love will live inside of me forever. Robson, June 2009
Which tend to mirror what Taj said. So how do you go from this statement to an allegation/claim?
Let's just say for the sake of argument Wade isn't being paid....why now? why tell it now? What is there to gain going public?
If anyone can answer that...then I could put this to bed and not think about it...cause right now it's making no sense to me except to be about money! :icon_e_confused:
Wade's allegations are so very outrageous and unbelievable (taking into account his past history with Michael), yet during his interview with Matt Lauer, instead of looking uncomfortable, hesitant or unsure of himself, he was the complete opposite, very articulate, very comfortable and at ease. Let's pretend for a second that Wade has filed these charges against someone else, has nothing to do with Michael. He would show embarrassment, hatred, disgust and hurt when he's talking about these allegations. Some kind of negative emotion is to be expected when someone who was sexually abused is talking about the person who had done these things to them. But Wade was calm and collected, he did not show any emotion whatsoever. It was as if he was telling a story about someone else. What he is saying and stating is not confirmed or proven by how he is acting, his body language does not match his spoken words...
A lot of the information that's out there, such as Wade selling his home so quickly and a lot higher than his asking price, moving away from LA with his family (TMZ had an article showing him in Hawaii with his wife and son), filing a creditor's claim, all during the AEG wrongful death suit, would prove that he's doing all this for money. But at the same time how low can someone go for the sake of money??? I know, I know some people will do ANYTHING for money, but this seems out of character for Wade. There might be more to this than meets the eye...
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From infamous Diane Demon or as Twitter Front calls her Dum Dum :icon_lol::
Robson has been a patient of Dr. David Arrendondo, a Harvard-educated child psychiatrist who has written extensively on the effects of sexual abuse on children and the resulting depression and anxiety of adults. http://www.davidarredondo.com/forensic.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/09/behind-the-michael-jackson-bombshell-how-a-staunch-defender-suddenly-flipped.html?obref=obinsite
This blogger has some more great testimony from WR going way back, on his deep love for MJ.
http://michaeljacksonvindication2.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-wade-robson-part-1-of-5/
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@ Snoopy71 I think AEG is behind this 1000%
Me too think the same....AEG hoped in large receipts with This is it tour, exploiting Mike and he with June 25 did not allow this...
and they understood all..... :moonwalk_:
We should remember
a) Michaels' rant about Sony, his song BAD he sang (you're throwing stones to hide your hands) and that one goes far back BEFORE any alligations
b) La Toya remindung us to look at the left hand instead of at the right hand (the trial) that is right in front of us (something like that).
By looking at this whole fiasco I have strong doubts AEG is the bad guy. They (AEG and Lady Katherine & Kids) are used. By Sony. Through the lawsuit filed by Sony affiliated lawyers by using Lady Katherine & MJ3 as the plaintiffs AGAINST AEG they try to sabotage AEG and therefore try to hide their hands. That way Sony stays in the background and let the public shred AEG apart when it's Sony that should be shredded. It's the same pattern they already used on Michael, is it not? Set someone/a company/anyone/anything up and have 'em publicly scrutinized. And here some of you are following Sony's script. Michael knew what he wrote and sang about. Why else did Michael openly 'complain' about Sony? He knew all along that Sony used him forever and a day. (only about Mr. Branca:Michael knew Mr. Branca was Sony affiliated - amongst others. JB negotiated the deal for SONY to buy the footage from AEG and produce TII (big bucks). He was not trusted by Michael any longer. He was never re-hired. He produced a phoney will, never produced a valid contract that stated he was rehired). All for Sony. This suit is about money and was filed through lawyers which I am certain they are Sony payed. I think we can be save by saying, Lady Katherine would never file such a lawsuit about money as in her eyes it's not about money but about her son. So, my conclusion is that Lady Katherine knows too much and is threatened by Sony thus pushed into publically go against AEG, who itself also is just the fall guy like Murray.
And Wade? I bet he's Sony payed ... Joe is completely correct in assuming that there IS a big fat wallet financing Wade. And Sonys' wallet is definitely much bigger than AEGs.
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I also fail to see how this can be of any good and I can't conceive that Michael would choose to place three sevens there.
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We should remember
a) Michaels' rant about Sony, his song BAD he sang (you're throwing stones to hide your hands) and that one goes far back BEFORE any alligations
b) La Toya remindung us to look at the left hand instead of at the right hand (the trial) that is right in front of us (something like that).
By looking at this whole fiasco I have strong doubts AEG is the bad guy. They (AEG and Lady Katherine & Kids) are used. By Sony. Through the lawsuit filed by Sony affiliated lawyers by using Lady Katherine & MJ3 as the plaintiffs AGAINST AEG they try to sabotage AEG and therefore try to hide their hands. That way Sony stays in the background and let the public shred AEG apart when it's Sony that should be shredded. It's the same pattern they already used on Michael, is it not? Set someone/a company/anyone/anything up and have 'em publicly scrutinized. And here some of you are following Sony's script. Michael knew what he wrote and sang about. Why else did Michael openly 'complain' about Sony? He knew all along that Sony used him forever and a day. (only about Mr. Branca:Michael knew Mr. Branca was Sony affiliated - amongst others. JB negotiated the deal for SONY to buy the footage from AEG and produce TII (big bucks). He was not trusted by Michael any longer. He was never re-hired. He produced a phoney will, never produced a valid contract that stated he was rehired). All for Sony. This suit is about money and was filed through lawyers which I am certain they are Sony payed. I think we can be save by saying, Lady Katherine would never file such a lawsuit about money as in her eyes it's not about money but about her son. So, my conclusion is that Lady Katherine knows too much and is threatened by Sony thus pushed into publically go against AEG, who itself also is just the fall guy like Murray.
And Wade? I bet he's Sony payed ... Joe is completely correct in assuming that there IS a big fat wallet financing Wade. And Sonys' wallet is definitely much bigger than AEGs.
Great point of view MFFreedom. I think you may be right.
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:-\ :suspect: :affraid: :-\ remember the ed bradley thing. he says something about he would never do anything sexual with a child , that was not where his heart is. that's not michael jackson , that's someone else. now scary part the manifesto shows up.
I remember reading years ago that when Michael came back from New York after taping "The Wiz" people said he was different/changed....and like you said, now this "manifesto" appears after so many years.
"MJ will be my new name," he wrote. "No more Michael Jackson. I want a whole new character, a whole new look. I should be a tottally [sic]different person. People should never think of me as the kid who sang "ABC," [or]"I Want You Back." "I should be a new, incredible actor/singer/dancer that will shock the world," he wrote. "I will do no interviews. I will be magic. I will be a perfectionist, a researcher, a trainer, a masterer [sic]. I will be better than every great actor roped into one."
I know a lot of celebrities speak of having a "duality" or an alter persona. But for MJ to be both these people Taj and Wade describe seems extreme...like a Jekyll Mr. Hyde!
In Wade's own words he said...His music, his movement, his personal words of inspiration and encouragement and his unconditional love will live inside of me forever. Robson, June 2009
Which tend to mirror what Taj said. So how do you go from this statement to an allegation/claim?
Let's just say for the sake of argument Wade isn't being paid....why now? why tell it now? What is there to gain going public?
If anyone can answer that...then I could put this to bed and not think about it...cause right now it's making no sense to me except to be about money! :icon_e_confused:
very interesting about the part after the wiz. when did he decide to get his own lawyers and so on anyone know. i remember some sort of taped comment from katherine on that , i guess the family wasn't too hip on the idea. what stood out to me was a statement she made that the lawyers ( or someone ) said he didn't need the family ( or group) any more and commented yes but they needed him.
randy j. taborelli (sp) also commented at some point where he began to notice michael wearing makeup for interviews. i can see where a young artist being put in the middle of all those seasoned performers would begin to be impressed by the way this one does this or that and begin to take on some ideas. and as far as change it could be what some saw was his acquiring a bit of an ego , that they didn't like.
was he even anywhere near sony around the time of bad? that throwing stones to hide your hand line is interesting. ummm when asked about bad and he relates the story behind it , is he speaking of both the song and the video or just the video?
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We should remember
a) Michaels' rant about Sony, his song BAD he sang (you're throwing stones to hide your hands) and that one goes far back BEFORE any alligations
b) La Toya remindung us to look at the left hand instead of at the right hand (the trial) that is right in front of us (something like that).
By looking at this whole fiasco I have strong doubts AEG is the bad guy. They (AEG and Lady Katherine & Kids) are used. By Sony. Through the lawsuit filed by Sony affiliated lawyers by using Lady Katherine & MJ3 as the plaintiffs AGAINST AEG they try to sabotage AEG and therefore try to hide their hands. That way Sony stays in the background and let the public shred AEG apart when it's Sony that should be shredded. It's the same pattern they already used on Michael, is it not? Set someone/a company/anyone/anything up and have 'em publicly scrutinized. And here some of you are following Sony's script. Michael knew what he wrote and sang about. Why else did Michael openly 'complain' about Sony? He knew all along that Sony used him forever and a day. (only about Mr. Branca:Michael knew Mr. Branca was Sony affiliated - amongst others. JB negotiated the deal for SONY to buy the footage from AEG and produce TII (big bucks). He was not trusted by Michael any longer. He was never re-hired. He produced a phoney will, never produced a valid contract that stated he was rehired). All for Sony. This suit is about money and was filed through lawyers which I am certain they are Sony payed. I think we can be save by saying, Lady Katherine would never file such a lawsuit about money as in her eyes it's not about money but about her son. So, my conclusion is that Lady Katherine knows too much and is threatened by Sony thus pushed into publically go against AEG, who itself also is just the fall guy like Murray.
And Wade? I bet he's Sony payed ... Joe is completely correct in assuming that there IS a big fat wallet financing Wade. And Sonys' wallet is definitely much bigger than AEGs.
Wow! I didn't even think about the Sony angle. :icon_e_surprised:
That would make perfect sense.
It would just be assumed AEG was behind Wade coming out, when it really could be Sony behind it. :animal0017:
....the plot thickens :ghsdf:
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its really interesting all this wade talk really it is, i just wanna point out one more thing from the article
"Joe was at the airport in L.A. Wednesday when we asked about Wade's claims against the MJ estate -- that the singer sexually abused him as a child for years -- but Joe doesn't buy Wade's story for a second ... and he's not placing the blame entirely on Wade's shoulders either.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/23/joe-jackson-wade-robson-michael-lie-child-abuse/#ixzz2UGH7ZQru
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i mean i know its not THAT big of a deal because it is a very busy, important airway in the United States but, it is getting very close to June 25th. Wouldnt this be the same airport as Jermaine spoke of, him and Michael leaving together?
Maybe Joe picked him up?! haha just using my imagination
it says Wednesday, which isnt too odd because June 25th was a Thursday this year it will be a Tuesday. Not much there but something to look at maybe?
But more importantly this "airport clue" and im using the word "clue" loosely here, was posted on May 23, 2013, and with the numerology here
5+2+3+2+0+1+3 = 16
And as you well know........ 1+6= 7
Just a few things I noticed in that article
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Snoopy71, That is pretty interesting. Just like LaToya stated following the money trail. Now the lawsuit for the wrongful death is in the billions. From what it is being stated this would be how much Michael would have generate from the concerts.(Guys that is a lot of money, billions of dollars). Now what we all need to do is take a look at the big picture. SONY the corporation. Here a couple of thoughts for you guys:
Sony
1. What is going on financially with Sony the Corporation? (Not just with what is going on with Michael)
2. What is big news that is circulating about Sony the Corporation?
3. What type of businessman are running the Sony Corporation? ( I mean the entire corporation)
If you do not do anything else. Please do a little research on the three questions that I have posted here.
You may find your result pretty interesting and astounding.
What might being saving SONY the corporation is Michael.
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Sandal your post is very interesting. I searched all over the net, I found a few videos but since I don't have sound on my laptop, I couldn't watch any of them.
This is what I found on Wiki:
Sony Music Entertainment
Main article: Sony Music Entertainment
Sony Music Entertainment (also known as SME or Sony Music) is the second-largest global recorded music company of the "big four" record companies and is controlled by Sony Corporation of America, the United States subsidiary of Japan's Sony Corporation. The company owns full or partial rights to the catalogues of Michael Jackson, The Beatles, Usher, Eminem, Akon, and others.
In one of its largest-ever acquisitions, Sony purchased CBS Record Group in 1987 for US$2 billion. In the process, Sony gained the rights to the catalogue of Michael Jackson, considered by the Guinness Book of World Records to be the most successful entertainer of all time. The acquisition of CBS Records provided the foundation for the formation of Sony Music Entertainment, which Sony established in 1991.
In 2004, Sony entered into a joint venture with Bertelsmann AG, merging Sony Music Entertainment with Bertelsmann Music Group to create Sony BMG. In 2005, Sony BMG faced a copy protection scandal, because its music CDs had installed a controversial feature on users' computers[51] that was posing a security risk to affected users.[citation needed] In 2007, the company acquired Famous Music for US$370 million, gaining the rights to the catalogues of Eminem and Akon, among others.
Sony bought out Bertelsmann's share in the company and formed a new Sony Music Entertainment in 2008. Since then, the company has undergone management changes.
Sony/ATV Music Publishing
Main article: Sony/ATV Music Publishing
Besides its record label, Sony operates other music businesses. In 1995, Sony purchased a 50% stake in ATV Music Publishing, forming Sony/ATV Music Publishing. At the time, the publishing company was the second-largest of its kind in the world. The company owns much of the publishing rights to the catalogue of The Beatles. Sony purchased digital music recognition company Gracenote for US$260 million in 2008.
If you have more info, can you kindly post it here. Thanks in advance.
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Faithad777, that is no problem at all. I would first look up any news regarding the FINANCE of The Sony Corporation, not what the general public is saying. We have to put on our thinking caps as a businessperson. Example: If you were looking to buy a business from someone or invest in a company you would want to know about their Financial History, and then you will determine if you want to invest in that business. We have to always remember Michael is a SHREWD businessman. That is why I underlined financially for Sony Corporation.
FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL. THE FINANCE OF SONY THE CORPORATION
Also remember, Michael was taking his half of the business/ the Music entertainment portion.
Hopefully this helps, here is the link.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22623569
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TS implied in some of his posts that Sony at least some individuals, and MJ were working together in some respects. And at his 45th birthday party, MJ said it was specifically Tommy Mattola that needed to be gone to celebrate.
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Sandal8259, thanks for the link. Michael had a lot of problems with Mattola during the time his invincible album came out, in 2001. I believe Sony was behind the allegations that hurt Michael to the core both in 1993 and 2003. I also believe Branca, Sony and AEG made and are still making a lot of money after 6/25, off of Michael's name and brand. I read somewhere that it was said that "since Michael was not alive to spend any of HIS hard earned money, the estate made even more money than they would have when Michael was "alive"." Like Latoya said, Michael was worth more dead than alive.
I also believe that while "they" are using Michael's name to make money, Michael with the help of his family is using them too , something like "I scratch your back, you scratch mine".
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Sorry, MJonmind, I was typing my reply and I didn't see your post until after I replied. I agree with what you said. Michael mentioned in one of his interviews that it was only Tommy who was abusing artists not Sony as a corporation.
I wanted to add that I believe Michael is working very hard at getting back the years that were stolen from him, he is trying to catch up with all that he missed all those years including being involved in film.
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Faithad777, would this be the "40 billion" of compensation for defamation of character. The question that I have to ask is this. If Katherine wins the case against AEG what will happen next. Now is that the 40 billion that Sony the Corporation owes Michael for all those years. Remember Michael stated that he made I believe billions of dollars for Sony. Now technically Michael cannot sue himself, but he can put in a lawsuit with other third parties that he think that is involved. And AEG is the second largest concert promoter besides Live Nation. Let's just say that AEG and Sony has been working together for years regarding concert promoting and double-dipping from Michael to help with their financials(Sony). Was Sony still trying to get Michael's catalogue knowing that the Electronics/Gaming/Retail side of their corporation has not been doing very well in the pass years and that their Music/Entertainment business was doing very well and that was the only thing that was keeping break even. As I said before, please read what Mr. Daniel Loeb thoughts are. He is a very important person to the Sony Corporation. http://www.deadline.com/2013/05/who-is-daniel-loeb-and-what-does-he-want-with-sony/
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Shawn trell testified in the trial
"We had come to an agreement on several facets, for several years with MJ and what we wanted, nothing more, is that such an agreement were successful," said trell."The company of Michael Jackson, in the first instance, it would be responsible for paying the money. Then MJ had to guarantee.
Trell said that if MJ had some royalties, AEG would have rights on them to recover the money invested, but could not have an interest in his musical catalog. ( They could charge the rights deriving from the catalog, but not to stay with this.
Up to there could reach,.. SONY won't allow it.
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Sandal8259, very interesting read about Daniel Loeb. I believe Michael is the reason that Sony's music/entertainment business is doing as well as it is. We all know that Michael is a genius when it comes to business. It is ancient history that Michael's problems at Sony started with Mottola and he was later let go by Sony execs. I believe Michael is playing by "their" rules now, in order to get back everything that he lost because of them. Also, the saying "keep your friends close but your enemies closer" applies very well here. As far as what will happen when and if Katherine and Michael's children win this court case, I feel that all of this is not about the outcome of the trial, but rather about the process and what will be revealed during the trial.
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Wade could be on MJs side and instructed to make the claims for hoax purposes - all things are possible.
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This is insane ! ! !
I don't know what to believe!
Is this normal?!!
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This is insane ! ! !
I don't know what to believe!
Is this normal?!!
Diggyon cool down, I am not sure of anything concerning WR yet but what some are saying does make all sense, what if Michael is using this story to clear his name once and for all, would you be happy or not?? I think you would support Michael to pull this story off for the sake of him, right?? so we have to be positive, support Michael although that sometimes meant to go through a bad time, just keep watching and see how the whole story finally unfolds, I know this story it's hard and you are very sensitive, love you diggyon.
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Believe me sweet, I don't know what to believe anymore! I'm lost...
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Believe me sweet, I don't know what to believe anymore! I'm lost...
I know diggyon I know, our love for Michael is so huge that we suffer if he suffers and this goes to Mother Katherine too the person who gave him birth.
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I believe she's having some rough time by now! This whole circus, you know.... seeing her own son ending his career this way... May be we are entertained but I'm sure she's is not. I think she needs all our support right now.
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Believe me sweet, I don't know what to believe anymore! I'm lost...
Not necessarily a reflection on you. Nor a negative thing. This is one of MJ's trademark motives. Create confusion.
I many times feel like you are feeling. We all do. Anyone that says they aren't confused at times, is lying.
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Well, I have to admit that I am entertained! But sometimes I hate this feeling! How can anyone of us talk about the hoax in public without being sure of any fact at all!!
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Well, I have to admit that I am entertained! But sometimes I hate this feeling! How can anyone of us talk about the hoax in public without being sure of any fact at all!!
Well Diggy, your comment struck a chord in me. I don't talk about the hoax to anyone anymore. In the early days I just got 'the look', you know the one that says this is a crazy woman, usually followed by a mocking 'and is Elvis alive too!'! Every 'fact' you care to mention does sound crazy on its own, when spoken out loud; you need the accumulation of lots of weird stuff to begin to see the hoax as a possibility, so short of cornering someone for hours of 'crazy talk', it's really a non starter in my experience! And, like you say, we're not sure of anything anyway, so all we can hope to do (if we still have the stomach for it, which I admit I don't) is point out the weird stuff that doesn't add up and leave others to come to their own conclusions. Somehow I feel :icon_e_sad: and alone now.
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This is insane ! ! !
I don't know what to believe!
Is this normal?!!
I feel the same i´m lost! :Pulling_hair:
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MJ ESTATE
Wade Robson Is
FULL OF IT!
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/05/07/0507-wade-robson-tmz-outside-3.jpg)
Lawyers for the Michael Jackson Estate are scoffing at Wade Robson's creditor's claim ... saying it's absurd he had no idea for nearly 4 YEARS that the Estate was being probated and there was a deadline for filing claims.
Attorney Howard Weitzman wrote incredulously ... the MJ probate is one of the most high-profile ever, and Wade is very connected in the music biz. So, Weitzman asks, how could it be he had no idea there was a deadline of 4 months after the Estate proceedings began to file a creditor's claim?
TMZ broke the story ... Robson has filed the claim, alleging MJ molested him for 7 years -- between the ages of 7 and 14.
Weitzman is asking the judge to reject Robson's claim on grounds it was filed ridiculously late.
http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/05/wade-robson-michael-jackson-estate-creditors-claim-sexual-molestation/